I think they wanted to continue perusing the same market as the Wii. But I don't think they expected to mobile market to have such a grasp on casual gamers.
Not to mention the Wii U was pretty rushed to get onto the market before Christmas. Beside that I think they are improving drastically, making up for their lack of a catalog. Though I would still contend that the Wii U pad still seem like a peripheral rather then a ingrate part of the system.
>backwards compatibility So does my PC, and I can replay whatever I want without shilling hundreds to Nintendo.
>no DRM Consoles by default are DRM incarnate. Also, region locking.
>Free online Except it's the worst of the three, right next to PSN. Half the people on miiverse think games like Super Metroid are too hard for goodness sake! They make DSP look like a college graduate.
>can play used games So can PC. :)
>support for indie developers What is steam
>cheap A good built PC is even cheaper
>great first party lineup Console games on par with the other two consoles? Sure, you keep thinking that.
>b-but PC + wii-U idort!
About 300 dollars wasted, since my PC gets all the good games anyway.
Honestly third partys jumped the gun, and nintendo was too slow with it's key first party games. All the third party support it got when the system launched was a huge burn to all of them. No third party game is going to sell UNTIL people get the system, and people only get the system for first party games, and then stay for some of the third party stuff as well as future first party. And boy did nintendo take their sweet fucking time. Even most of the first party faithful are just picking up the system right now. Now that the system has more bad press, than almost any other in history everyone is afraid to touch the thing. Now it's out of every third party's dev window, and the hardwhere is to weak to run a lot of the next gen games that are coming out. Honestly bayonetta is it's last ray of real hope, if it can sell well some key third party's might just jump on board. Other than that its just up to nintendo to grow the install base base, and the wiiu will probably top out at 30-40 million, not enough for most to really care.
>Except it's the worst of the three, right next to PSN. Half the people on miiverse think games like Super Metroid are too hard for goodness sake! They make DSP look like a college graduate. I really don't see why the community matters much, there's retards everywhere. What does matter is that you can play videogames online for free. Without paying a subscription ontop of your fucking internet bill already.
>Console games on par with the other two consoles? Sure, you keep thinking that. >About 300 dollars wasted, since my PC gets all the good games anyway. You seem to be missing the point here. PS4 and xbone have very few exclusives that you can't play on PC. Almost ALL the good games on the Wii U are exlusive to it. They have multiple first-party franchises that are generally quality videogames.
The point is that with a Wii U and a PC, you get the most "coverage". Which is a good thing if you actually enjoy a broad variety of videogames.
You wanna know what went wrong? Nintendo tried to cater to their 'core' crowd once more. After spending an entire generation telling their 'core' crowd that they found them repulsive and wanted nothing to do with them.
So what does Nintendo have now? The casuals are either bored, or don't know what the Wii U is. Their dedicated base has abandoned them.
>What does matter is that you can play videogames online for free. Without paying a subscription ontop of your fucking internet bill already. And the PC can do that already, except better. The Wii-U trying to emulate that just makes it a watered down PC.
>Almost ALL the good games on the Wii U are exlusive to it. Which is about 0.
>The point is that with a Wii U and a PC, you get the most "coverage". Except with a PC I don't need a Wii-U. I have all the good games already. Whatever consoles could offer me are just weaker versions of things I can get on PC.
>games with have thriving communities, thousands of mods, devs who release constant free DLC, and hundreds of ways to play instead of being limited to two or three console controllers >this is a bad thing
>>268353031 The market for gaming is much,much bigger now than in gc days, i can't see it selling GC numbers. Although 30-40 million is just like adjusting for inflation it's pretty much new age gc numbers.
>>268353048 >And the PC can do that already, except better. The Wii-U trying to emulate that just makes it a watered down PC. Saying that playing games online for free "emulates the PC" is stupid. That's the default state. Paying for online, which PSN and xbone do, that's non-standard.
>Which is about 0. You really think that the Legend of Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Pikmin are not worth playing? You don't enjoy a broad variety of videogames then, proving my point.
>Except with a PC I don't need a Wii-U. I have all the good games already. See above, you sure as fuck don't. Missing out on multiple genres.
>Whatever consoles could offer me are just weaker versions of things I can get on PC. This is true for the PS4 and Xbone, because they both are just weaker PCs without KB+M. Nintendo consoles however have their own flavor of games, things that are made to be played with the new controller they have, or just flat-out games that don't exist anywhere else.
You're not really missing out on anything if you have no PS4 or Xbox. They don't have any franchises or genres that are one-of-a-kind. The Wii U does. That makes it worth purchasing for some. Maybe not for you, but arguing that it's a waste of money is retarded. I don't even own a Wii U, didn't buy a Wii either. I just see the appeal.
I think Nintendo's biggest problem right now is advertising. As in they're god awful at it. "Wii U" is a pretty bad name but "new 3DS"? I will never not be mad at that shit. I want this company to succeed but if they can staff tens of thousands of employee and the honest to god only name they could come up with was the "NEW 3DS" then they are fucked. The naming convention for this shit already exists. They should have just called it the 3DSi or, I don't know, LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE. It's absolutely baffling how ANYONE thought that was a good idea.
Not at all, it's billions of dollars bigger than it was before, almost 300 million consoles were sold in the last gen, with like 200 million hand held devices, with large advent's in smart phone/tablets/computers gameing is bigger than ever, assuming softwhere sales remain stable even lower end systems like wii u will do better.
Nope. The dedicated fanbase is huge and all have a 3ds, the fanbase did however give up on home nintendo consoles.
While the wii has only a couple dozen worthwhile games, and was mostly casual the ds has a fantastic library and is easily the ps2 of handhelds.
If nintendo was serious about catering to their fanbase and making a legit home console again, they shouldn't have tried that tablet shit.
The tablet ate up funds that could have been spent making it more powerful. Nintendo fans long for another gamecube or n64, a system with a normal controller with decent modern hardware that is caught up with he times.
What's really funny is the divide that is going to be caused by the new 3ds, I highly doubt people are going to adopt it and the name is confusing as fuck. That and new 3ds games wont work the the 3ds, jesus fuck nintendo.
ds dslite dslitexl dsi dsixl 3ds 3dsxl new 3ds new 3ds xl
This shit is fucking confusing, use full names.
Gameboy Gameboy pocket Gameboy Color Gameboy Advance Gameboy Advance SP
Nintendo n64 Nintendo Gamecube
Simple branding, and it's easy to tell what system is what and what system is a hardware revision.
>Saying that playing games online for free "emulates the PC" is stupid. That's the default state. Paying for online, which PSN and xbone do, that's non-standard.
Wrong. PC has had the ability to play online LOOOOOOONG before consoles ever had the opportunity. Where do you think it came from anyway, thin air?
>You really think that the Legend of Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Pikmin are not worth playing Their latest iterations are about as fun as Knack or Infamous. And if you like those, then I won't judge you, but well I'm not exactly gonna grieve over their loss while playing my PC games. If you know what I mean.
>See above, you sure as fuck don't. Missing out on multiple genres. We have every single genre, from RTS to TPS, to RPG to FPS, to action adventure, to puzzle game, to platformer, and even sidescrollers. Pixels, polygons, 2D, 3D, 4D, virtual reality, actual reality, you name it.
>Nintendo consoles however have their own flavor of games, Again, these games have the same taste that sony or MS games have, so I'm not missing anything. Just because the Wii-U is """unique""" doesn't mean it's good.
1. They almost completely alienated their "core" audience last year by appealing exclusively to casuals
2. Smart phones have since taken over the casual audience
This means that the causals have no reason to upgrade from the original Wii when their phones play all the mini-game bullshit they want, as well as their core audience feeling betrayed which means they won't be rushing to get one just based on promises this time.
Add the fact that they have done no real marketing you have a recipe for disaster.
>>268353519 >ass-end of the casual explosion. Console installation rates are going to shrink back the levels they were in the 90s.
Both destiny and watch dogs just broke records this year, wat? And will probably do better next year. Also Assfaggots and other esports related departments do nothing but grow, same with pc gaming, over 100 million steam acounts and growing.
More money is spent, but it's being spent by a market relatively similar in size. What's change, and what's causing this increased market size is that everyone that's been playing games since the 90s now has more, or even just has disposable income now.
They fucked up with the N64 by allowing sony to dominate, and fucked up with the gamecube by being the least sold 6th gen console
Then they completely ignored their core audience by releasing the casual gimmick machine, allowing tons of shovelware to infest the system and thriving off casual shovelware rather than actual good games
Then they produced an underpowered tablet promoting gimmick console 7 years too late, with mediocre software trying to appeal to their old audiences
Nintendo fucked all of you over, and yet you still go to suck their dick.
>>268350497 They willingly chose to use technology inferior to the already inferior technology of its main competitors. If they did not teat it like a toy and actually made it good then it would be #1 like back in the SNES days.
At the very least the N64 and GCN had some damn good games worth owning the system for, but they have no fucking excuses for the Wii and Wii U. They really need a managment shakeup or something because they'll lose what little relevence they have left with one more fuckup.
>>268350497 >Stupid and confusing name >Released shortly before the other 2 released their consoles >Nintendo can't into online features standard since the fucking 90's >Launch titles where mostly titles that you already played on other consoles but now at $60 >What its third party support? >$350 dollars for a fucking console with hardware from 2005
>>268354614 >Wrong. PC has had the ability to play online LOOOOOOONG before consoles ever had the opportunity. Where do you think it came from anyway, thin air? Correct, and PC had polygons long before consoles. This doesn't mean that if something has polygons today, it emulates the PC. It means it's a standard videogame.
>Their latest iterations are about as fun as Knack or Infamous. This is subjective. The fact that they're one of a kind, however, is not. Knack is not one of a kind, neither is Infamous.
>And if you like those, then I won't judge you, but well I'm not exactly gonna grieve over their loss while playing my PC games. If you know what I mean. I'm not saying you should, but I'm saying that the fact that people like these games and have nothing comparable on the PC makes buying a Wii U infact a logical decision.
>We have every single genre, from RTS to TPS, to RPG to FPS, to action adventure, to puzzle game, to platformer, and even sidescrollers. Pixels, polygons, 2D, 3D, 4D, virtual reality, actual reality, you name it. Which genre is pikmin, and does PC have it? Which genre is smash bros, and does PC have it? Which genre is Mario Kart, and does PC have it? I'll give you zelda games, they're not unique in concept.
>Just because the Wii-U is """unique""" doesn't mean it's good. No, but it means it's worth considering for someone who is into what the Wii U has to offer.
You seem to be missing the point still. The point isnt that "the wii u is good and you should buy it". The point isn't that "the wii u has good games so you should buy it". The point is that the Wii U is different enough from other platforms to warrant it being its own console. The PS4 and Xbone do not. Shit, they're pretty much the exact same console, too, hardware wise.
Not wanting a Wii U is fine, but if you say that there's not good reason to own a Wii U depending on your subjective tastes, you're wrong
How is SEGAs situation in 2001 at all comparable to Nintendo now? Nintendo has a shitton of cash in the bank with a platform that's dominating its respective market by far compared to the competition. The Dreamcast was a borderline bankrupt Segas last ditch effort, while Nintendo can afford to ride the rest of this gen out and start fresh in a few years.
The problem with the Wii U is that Nintendo lied when they said that they'd be catering to the hardcore gamer again, and that games would be "wider and deeper". If they really wanted me to buy the Wii U, it would have had a Zelda game and a 2D Metroid game on launch.
Instead, we got Lego City.
Also because of the Wii U's lack of success, Nintendo will use "catering to hardcore gamers" as a scapegoat and the next Nintendo console will be a $600 piece of shit with "good" graphics and it will just have a bunch of games like Skyrim and Kirby's Epic Yarn.
>>268353220 Whenever someone gloats about how many games they have backlogged on PC I can't help but think that you're not ever actually playing or enjoying anything. There's no realistic way you're going through all those games unless you're blazing right through them and not savoring anything.
Meh, I don't trust Nintendo much after the shit they pulled last gen but I do get the feeling that the Wii U will be something of a Gamecube 2.0. Basically a mostly unpopular console with a lot of exclusive gems for real gamers. The core audience is all they have left to appeal to anyway.
>This doesn't mean that if something has polygons today, it emulates the PC. It means it's a standard videogame. No, but if it can't do it as well as a PC, then it's nothing more than a watered down experience.
>The fact that they're one of a kind, however, is not. Gone Home is one of a kind. That doesn't make it good.
>but I'm saying that the fact that people like these games Stopped reading there. People like the PS4 and its game lineup. Does that mean the PS4 is worth a purchase? Or does it mean you shouldn't listen to overdefensive fanboys?
>Which genre is pikmin, and does PC have it? It's a watered down RTS with simplistic commands and no deeper gameplay elements. Anything from 1997 and up trumps it. Even the first Starcraft had superior group controls.
>the Wii U is different enough from other platforms to warrant it being its own console. You could say the same about the Vita. It has no games whatsoever, and that makes it different from other consoles that DO have games. That doesn't mean its worth owning.
>if you say that there's not good reason to own a Wii U depending on your superior tastes, you're onto something
ftfy. If I was a console fanboy, you'd have ground to call me into question. But I know quality. I have a Pc, and I enjoy its massive library of fantastic, high quality games. If a console cannot provide something equivalent to that, then it's not worth it.
I really don't know at this point personally. The last time they did that was the Gamecube at they came in 3rd that gen, but now that all the casuals have left for smartphones it could go either way. They will always need to have some kind of gimmick or feature that sets them apart because if they go head to head with MS and Sony they will lose hard purely because of how casuals perceive the Nintendo brand.
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