Why did the jrpg die ?

Game?
And if you're asking why the genre died, it didn't. It's in the same state as almost every other genre in the industry: extremely dumbed down to appeal to a wider audience.

>>266527391
because they stopped making console suikoden games

Why not?

>>266527783
Ni no kuni. It's decent, still haven't finished it though...

>>266527391

Because of babby casual shit like this.

>>266527391
Because both west and east did too much pandering. West to dudebros and feminists and shit, east to NEETs and shit.

>>266527391

The fps boom

platformers and jrpgs had their time

>>266528345
I'm literally at the final boss and I don't have the drive to actually beat the bitch.

Japan stopped buying consoles

>>266528371
That's not Final Fantasy 15
>push X to Noctis

>>266527391
Because the turn-based combat was always meant to be a stand-in for real-time action, since the old hardware couldn't cope. Now that we can, they've tried to marry turn-based and action a lot of different ways, and none of them have worked particularly well. In the end, what needs to happen is JRPGs need to take the same route as Kingdom Hearts and Resonance of Fate, blending player skill with stat building.

>>266527391

That game looks so nice, PS3 emulation with 3x native resolution and proper AA when?

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Because you only play baby Square and level 5 jrpgs.

Neato!

Because modeling towns and dungeons is too hard so they turned them all into hallway simulators.

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>>266528024
Suikoden III was the last decent one. IV and V were pic related.

>>266527391
They didn't. You're just playing the wrong ones (as evidenced by your pic).

The Final Fantasy 13 Saga killed JRPGs.

>>266530229
Ni No Kuni was fucking amazing.

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Because people grew up, and realized that WRPGs are better.

>>266528682
>Because the turn-based combat was always meant to be a stand-in for real-time action,

The thing is...no one fucking cares.
Turn based battles are a thing, and turn based games are making money hand over fist on the mobile markt.

Anyone, I shit you not, anyone who claims that action based gameplay is superior instead of different for jrpgs is fucking retarded or shilling something.

>>266530350
Wrpgs are for homosexuals.

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>>266530058
>suikoden 3
>better than suikoden 5

next you'll say wild arms 4 is better than wild arms 5

a lot of jrpgs are still stuck in the past

they have access to better hardware and better technology but still include functions that should no longer exist

combat is a huge problem in jrpg evolution, if more of them took influence from more recent games like the souls series, and dragons dogma as how to approach evolving their genre, we'd see a lot more praise and probably more success.

>>266527391
Costs
Pandering, not that people didn't pander before, but they've taken it to a new level.
Death of budget games pretty much meant that any and all JRPGs had to be the absolute biggest and safest bets.

Everyone realised WRPGs had superior gameplay and everything else on Earth had better writing.

>>266527391
Jrpgs usually followed what popular anime was doing.

So in the 90's you had shonen tropes. Now? Moeshit. Just look at stuff like Neptunia, the blatant waifu pandering in FFXIII and its spawn. What few games that may be good are dragged down with design decisions so poor it boggles the mine(NNK, BD).

>>266530648
They are both terrible, but at least 4 has 4 characters in battle.

They're typically boring in mechanics and derivative in plot.

They usually have great music though.

>>266530531
Not at all, and you're right. But when it comes down to it, the original reasoning behind turn-based combat was that they could not, with the tech they had to hand, show exciting 4-player party combat. As we've seen with XIII and probably with XV as well, that's still looking pretty tricky. I think Resonance of Fate was a rare game to get individual control of your party members right.

>>266528682
>Because the turn-based combat was always meant to be a stand-in for real-time action, since the old hardware couldn't cope.

you have no idea what you're talking about

>>266530857
>NNK
>bad design

Pick only one.

>>266530932
>Tutorials:The game.
>Good design

>>266530857
>blatant waifu pandering in FFXIII
moeshit and waifu pandering has always existed
they're just placing more weight on them now.
And what waifu pandering in ff13?

>>266530806
>Hit it until it die game play
Wrpgs are poor action games without any dept.

>>266527391

They didn't, they just don't have mainstream appeal in the west. Not being consumed by Amerifats =/= dead.

>>266531018
Mostly just LR since that was freshest in my mind.

>>266527391
Because the faggots at bamco didnt localize Vesperia on ps3

And because suikoden died

Refusal to advance, still use the same base shit-tier storylines of ONLY KIDS CAN SAVE THE WORLD FROM ANCIENT EVIL GODS/CORPORATIONS and gameplay designs that were new in the SNES era.

>>266530338
Dohoho that's a good one. Ni No Kuni is one of the worst JRPGs of last gen, and the worst game I played last year. Fucking DmC was better.

>>266527391
They didn't, they just mostly migrated to handhelds.

>>266530915
I'll be buggered if I can recall the interview it stemmed from, but one of the original programmers for FF said that they would have done action combat if they could have, but used a turn-based system since there was no way for them to effectively implement a party-based combat system with the effects and all on screen. I might actually be talking out of my ass(thanks a lot, alcohol), but I swear I remember reading about this shit. I'm not saying we should dismiss turn-based systems entirely, as FF8 and Lunar SSSC are among my favorite games of all time,.but the system does feel dated, and I'm not sure if clinging to it because it works is the best way to proceed.

>>266528457
>east to NEETs and shit.
You mean fujoshits, right? JRPGs have been notoriously gay, and the real cancer has always been shit like FFXV featuring faggot characters. Games like the Aterlier or Neptunia series are the minority.

call me when every new jrpg has dragons dogmas combat system

There's only one thing that I don't like about Ni no Kuni that makes me horribly depressed.

I love the whole wizard book aspect of the game where you have to reference the book for clues and solving puzzles, but I hate how bright and static it is. Whenever I read it, I can see all of the floaters in my eyes and the eyes cloud the text and make it hard for me to read.

I use a background theme on 4chan and every other game I play is dark enough that I never notice my floaters. It's just really obvious when I play Ni no Kuni.

Same reason WRPGs did.

>>266531530
>I can see all of the floaters in my eyes
Fuck I hate these.

>>266531283
What's wrong with highly polished well executed games using an older design philosophy?

Innovation isn't required for quality.

>>266527391
Because they're niche, didn't appeal to western gamers and the generic edgy FPS genre took over.

>>266527391

They're all on Vituh.

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Not enough yuri.

>>266531596
But it feels dated, at its core, which is partially why the genre is floundering. I know a lot of people on here are gonna shit on XV when it comes out for being simplified action dross, but it's what the larger market wants.

>>266531687
And 3ds. Handheld idort is the way to be.

>Tales of Phantasia
>Combat takes strategy and is heavily position based, choosing the right moment to go in and slash an enemy before backing off

>Modern "Tales of" games
>LOL COMBOS COMBOS COMBOS

When did the Tales of series die?

>>266530897
Dude, we've had the tech to do that since forever. The problem is in game design not technology.

Also we can't simply throw out something that people really like simply for something "new" that has been done hundreds of times before.

>>266527391
so much wasted potential on that game

>>266531407
This is true unfortunately

>>266531448
JRPGs have always had gay looking characters.

Because the video game industry has become overcentralized around AAA open-world RPG shooters where your choices matter.

>>266531796
I generally prefer playing on handheld but I can understand your frustration.

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A jrpg cannot be killed...

IT WAS MURDERED!

>>266531772
You're right. Unfortunatel, the majority dictates, and the majority does not want to put in the effort, time, and grind that comes with the traditional JRPG. As I noted above, XV will get shat on here for being hyper-casualized, but the common market will eat it up.

There are SHITLOADS of JRPGs, they're all on 3DS and PSP/VITA and no one ever plays them except Japanese people. Those turn based games play perfectly well on handhelds and Japan has taken a massive preference to handhelds.

search up the JRPG General on /vg/ if you want to find fellow weeaboos who care.

>>266531750
The genre is floundering because one of the core aspects of what makes it work is being mishandled and thrown out.

What?
JRPGS still exist

>>266531312

>claims NNK to be shit
>compares it against DmC

Know how I know your opinion means absolutely nothing?

>>266528512
Exactly my position, no drive to beat her and I started playing Xenogears.