So could any of the EP 1 - 6 force users defeat Kreia?

>>266235465
Yep. Plot armor is a bitch. Anyone can beat anyone in the Star Wars universe if moves the story along.

Anakin at his full potential, without any of the limb chopping/flesh burning. Sidius is also accounted as the strongest dark lord that ever lived, so I'm sure he could too.

>>266235782

not even close nigga, not even close


Darth Bane

>>266235853
Nope

Since kotor is not canon they won even before the battle began.

>Anakin and Dooku square off numerous times in the movies and a lot in the clone wars shit
>anakin fights Ventress a lot and she wrecks his shit/gets away
>anakin kills dooku the next day, when its convenient for the plot

>Luke face Vader and gets fucked
>goes emo
>doesn't get any more training from yoda
>manages to beat the fuck out of vader
>gets fucked by palpatine
>fucked up vader manages to lift and throw palpatine who is some sort of super wizard

Shit isn't consistent at all.

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>>266235465
Jedis suck. Apparently jedi MASTERS are taken out by like 3 clone troopers when order 66 is executed.
Like 2 of those robots with shields caused a jedi master and obi wan to flee. Send in like 10 of those and this bitch is toast.
Jedi aren't useful as combatants, they are useful as wise men.

>>266236256
I'll give you an akin a doodoo but the only reason Luke messed up Vader was because he dipped into the dark side.

>>266235853
Bane a shit. Sidious can summon planet devouring force storms, and has an array of clone templates, so he can keep coming back.

Bit unrelated but any good books worth reading?

>>266236582
Pretty much all of the njo series.

>>266236664
Thanks, I will grab those.

>>266236256
Fuck that clone wars cash grab cartoon shit. Anakin was originally supposed to have squared off against Dooku twice. Get his ass beat in 2, and double in strength to defeat him in 3. The cartoon undermines so much continuity shit, it's ridiculous.

>>266236748
Be forewarned, plot armor does not apply in that series.

>>266235465
Kreia is strong but her real strength is in controlling or manipulating if you put it.

>>266236582
You absolutely must read the Thrawn trilogy.

>>266236894
Same shit happens in the books.

And then fucking Liam Neeson gets killed by new light saber gimmick to sell tickets guy and obi wan kills him by going super saiyan?

And then there's a book where a Jedi who can't use the force anymore almost kills vader. Shit is all kinds of retarded.

>>266237212
Also thanks!

>>266235465
Depends on your perspective. The KOTOR era force users and Ancient Sith in the EU in general were obviously portrayed in a way in which they were far more powerful, fantastical and exaggerated than what we were seeing in the movies, which were more grounded even in the ridiculous prequels. But you know, videogames.

But George Lucas if you give a shit about his opinion made it canon at the time that characters he created like Vader and Sidious were the most powerful force users that ever existed, even if their feats would suggest otherwise. Now with Disney's new plan the KOTOR games aren't even canon, they're something of an elseworld storyline at best so I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

This is just my opinion, but there was never a true "consistency" with these stories even before Disney bought the franchise, it all depends on the writer here. KOTOR 2 in itself was Chris Avellone's subversion of Star Wars and it's simpler black-and-white tropes.

These characters were blatantly stronger than your typical force users in the movies and bordered more on high fantasy, probably due to the fact they were written by WRPG writers. In that respect they're stronger, but if you want to bring the broader saga into the mix then it would likely be written so that KOTOR Sith would be nerfed and defeated by movie characters because plot armor.

>>266236582
Honestly? Any book set after rotj is pretty solid.

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Emperor Katarn can defeat Kreia.

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>>266235853
Bane?

>>266237835
Best star wars game

Gonna say obi-wan.
>goes toe to toe with chosen one
>highly defensive light saber form (novel) would be effective vs: 3 sabers

>>266238431
Not even. Dude is good, but even yoda tells him in episode 3 that he would be no match for a high Sith Lord with a power level like Palpatine. Kreia certainly comes close enough to that.

>>266235465

Is that a serious question? Do you have any idea how incredibly weak the characters from the movies are in comparison to some of the shit in EU? There are characters in EU that can literally kill entire planets with the Force. Kreia would shit on anyone in the movies, with the exception of maybe Palpatine in his prime.

>>266238431
That's because yoda a shit. He sure as fuck didn't so very good. The whole way they handled that assassination was piss poor. They should have both taken palpatine on and then fucked vader.

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Yeah Kreia is pretty strong, but could she defeat Revan?

And I'm not talking about goody two-shoes Revan after his reawakening, I'm talking bout Sith Lord Revan, with his Starforge, maxed out Force Speed and Lightning and jingjang chakra opening jutsu

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Sup?

>>266239151
Leave, you aren't welcome here.

>>266239116

Only if she can use the Mangekyou Sharingan. Otherwise, she's pretty fucked.

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>>266239196
B-but I'm so awesome! I made Vader look weak as shit! I literally went toe-to-toe with Sidious and nearly beat him! I influenced the rebellion!

>>266239116
I doubt Kreia could defeat Revan in his prime. She relies on manipulation to achieve results, but he's too cunning of a tactician to fall for any of it.

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>>266239196
How about me?

>>266239464
She was his teacher, though.

>>266239450
Force Unleashed is the Shadow of Mordor of Starwars, take that as you want it's shit

>>266239967

She was, but Revan had multiple teachers. She imparted all of her wisdom and experience to him. He probably learned the finer points of lightsaber combat and Force powers from someone else.

>>266239495
Ezio?

>>266240152
It's not nearly that bad and it doesn't fuck the lore. Just adds in a piece that was blank before.

I really don't get why people get so butthurt over it.

>>266235465
>controlled THREE lightsabers with her fucking mind
No

>>266239151
> Darth fan fiction

>>266240348
IIRC, Revan was the best duelist in the galaxy at his prime.

Malak was too scared to fight him 1v1 and he killed the other greatest combatants (Mandalore and Eusanis) in duels.
Given how impressed everyone was at these feats, it's likely he didn't even resort to the force to do so - people wouldn't recall them with awe if he just turned up, choked a bitch and fucked off.

>>266240892
CANON fan fiction...

>>266240983
Not according to Disney

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Didnt she crush Malachor V with the force?

Sidious a shit and I don't consider anything in the EU relating to him to be canon.

>>266241075
Dont worry, Disney made sure of that.

>>266241067
What? No. That was the Mass Shadow Generator.

>>266239464
Kreia doesn't have to manipulate Revan to beat him, she can manipulate everyone else. A dark lord with no followers is just a man in an empty universe.

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BIOWARE IS GONE FOREVER ONLY SPIDERMAN LIVES IN MY HEART.

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Started replaying KOTOR recently. I always find it hard to be a goody two shoes because I can't fucking help everyone and being a dick is so mean your like comical evil as your alignment.

>>266241252
>>>/b/

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>>266240927
Revan got blown the fuck out by the Sith Emperor (original character do not steal) who's basically immortal super Nihilus with no weaknesses

you already forgot TOR was a thing didn't you

>>266235853

The big guy?

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>Want to install the content mod
>it doesnt work for a physical or a steam copy

>>266240665

>doesn't fuck the lore

Except that it does, in the sense that the protagonist is a Mary Sue that is almost as powerful as Palpatine, with significantly less training and experience. His character is a complete asspull out of nowhere and he somehow ends up being one of the strongest Force users in history. This completely undermines what Lucas established in his own movies. He can't write for shit.

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>>266241303
since ToR was so far removed from KoToR 1/2, I can safely ignore it.

Seriously, it may as well be an AU fanfiction and should be treated as such.

>>266241276
There's rarely any middle ground in this game. You're either a saint or an asshole.

That is why the sequel is much better.

>>266241391
It doesnt work for my*

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>>266241276
You're playing the wrong Kotor, anon

>>266235782
>Sidius is also accounted as the strongest dark lord that ever lived

Mace Windu beat him. And don't give me that "but he was being helped by Kit Fist-Me and the other Jedi" shit. Those assholes died so quick, they didn't even make a difference.

>>266241391
Just pirate it then.

>>266241607
but anon that is stealing

>>266241484
The sequel is not better in that regard. It's the same shit except this time you get scolded by Kreia for your decisions. If you were good then you shouldn't have been good. If you were evil you shouldn't have done that either. If anything the sequel punishes you more for not being far on entire alignment than the first one.

>>266241176
My mistake
Its been a while

>>266241605
Mace windu is also one of, if not the best Jedi Master that the Order has seen
nigga mastered Vaapad.

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>KotOR2 is buggy, rushed, and unfinished
>better than KotOR1 in every way
Who else but Obsidian

>>266241757
I don't know what the fuck Vaapad is, but I'm still pissed he got throw out the fucking window like a little bitch.

>>266241515
>Legitimate threat

My jesus jedi convinced him to kill himself.

Yeah a real threat buddy.

>>266241441
Reminder that Lucas thinks of Starwars as a fairytale for little kids.

The game is 7/10 in a "did nothing wrong" sense, lore is irrelevant ever since the EU schisma, because everyone has his own headcannon now

>>266241715
>caring what a character has to say and not roleplaying for the sake of it

Who's the canon grill again, Revan or KotOR2 guy?

>>266241872
And how did your Jebus deal with Malak? Like you had a choice

>>266241605
>General notadroidbutis fucking up the entire order
>mace is tired of his shit
>crushes his chest with his fucking mind

so goddamned based

>>266241605

Mace Windu is one of the incredibly rare individuals to actually invent a completely new lightsaber form, which he exclusively used and to devestating effect. Everyone else has just been using the same already established lightsaber forms for the past several thousand years. Sidious was probably confused as shit by Windu's fighting style and Windu used this to his advantage.

>>266241998
>roleplaying

It's hard to roleplay when your options are

>Yes I will help build your funeral home and donate 2500 credits to fund this
>No I hate old people. I will kill you all [Force Choke the Geezer]

>>266241858
It's a lightsabre style, known for it's intensity and how precariously close it brings you to the Dark Side.
Mace Windu was the only practitioner that isn't a dark lord or became one.

It still really fucking irks me that the second in command of the Jedi council got BTFO by a sickly old fuck

>>266241827
>Story full of plot holes, inexplicably stupid and unreasonable characters, and character arcs that go nowhere even with the content patched back in
>B-but it's okay, all the characters are SUPPOSED to be retarded, that makes the story deep!

Who else but Obsidian, indeed.

>>266236582
Pretty much everything post ROTJ aside from Dark Empire, the Young Jedi whatever the shit books, Darksaber and Legacy of the Force.

Despite what people say about the New Jedi Order books some of them are some of the best in the entire franchise, actually showing severe threat to the heroes, putting a KOTOR 2 style "dark is not evil" spin on the Force, some pretty good new characters, Wedge Antilles etc. It's pretty much like the equivalent of a comic book crossover where everyone bands together against a horrific common enemy except it's good on the whole.

>>266241441
Protip bud, every character in Star Wars is a Mary Sue unless they're a disposable character that can be killed off like that.

They're either the best bounty hunter, the best smuggler, the best wookie, the best gungan, or they're a Jedi with their own super gimmick.

>>266242182
That really only applies to the first game though.

The sequel did not have such binary dialog choices.

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I got all Jedi Knight games sitting on my steam library, wich one should I play first?

>>266241303
>KOTOR 1+2 paints the true siths as somethings out of this world
>SWTOR makes them into red humans

>>266242337
man fuck what they say

>>266242028
My Jedi was pissed that he was betrayed so i slayed him and ruled the galaxy with Bastilla at my side.

>>266242218
But Shaft didn't get BTFO by palpy. It was Anakin who fucked it all up by backstabbing him.

Imagine if Windu was played by Morgan Freeman to better portray the "wiseman" Jedi archetype rather than Sammy J. just to rake in the black demographic.

>>266242358
They were red humans looooong before the video games.

>>266241858
It is the most ferocious Lightsaber combat technique. Primarily offensive which is unusual for Jedi obivously.

>>266235465
Everyone in EP 1-6 can beat her because they're actually known and popular.

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From films - no. Sith and jedis in films rely on sabers too much.

From games - only Revan in his prime, everyone else is too weak (easy to destract, has emotions, relies on one strategy). The problem is its hard to know Krea limits, because even strongest of the sith are just children for her.

>b-but muh order 66!

Krea, HK-47 and pilot explains that jedi rely on force sense too much so they dont see threat from allies and fail to react in proper way. Imagine you are trained to fight with a knife, you have a knife and suddenly your knife attacks you, what the fuck would you do?

>>266242270
Its also a massive collab from every decent star war writer

>>266242337
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2

Best one imo and my favorite game ever probably

>>266241515
Obsidian better characters, Bioware better game development and story

I don't understand how someone can "let go" of the force.
Does the person become like a non-force sensitive or does the person become even less?

>>266241715
first off
>letting the character who lives to be contrary (in order to make you consider your actions more carefully) put you off making decions

Even ignoring that, the vast amount of light/dark opportunities is so much more improved.
KoToR 1 did have smart evil and good, but you got forced into being full retard jesus or a baby eater if you didn't want to get gimped out of the mastery bonus.
In KoToR 2 you could be a dickass manipulator Sith without smashing peoples teeth in for looking at you funny, and you could also be a pragmatic jedi that didn't empty his wallet at the first puppy eyes he sees.

>>266242358
>red dranei without hooves

FTFY

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>>266242496
>those bitchin FMVs

>>266235465
Obi Wan Kenobi
Mace motherfucking Windu

>>266242431
Back in 05 the True Sith weren't necessarily the Sith as we knew them from other things like the comics. The way they came across made them either sound like the Yuuzhan Vong, terrifying aliens of some sort at the very least. Them turning out just to be a splinter of Naga Sadow's empire with the silly red skin was kind of a let down to be honest.

The fact that Revan in 2 was said to have been preparing the Galaxy for the threat the entire time with his actions in systematically preserving shipyards in his campaign and that sort of thing made it kind of shitty than when TOR came around it was like the Republic had completely fucking forgotten.

>>266242524
>better characters
>Atton is the ONLY well-written party member that isn't just ripped off from the first game. T3 is superior in 2, HK is debatable, and Mandalore is objectively worse than Canderous.
>Compared to Kotor 1 HK, Canderous, Juhani, Zaalbar/Mission, and Jolee Motherfucking Bindo.
>Even fucking Carth is better written than Mira or the Zabrak I can't even remember the name of anymore.

Yeah, nah.

What's the next best space saga that isn't chinese cartoon?
or Mass Effect ;_;

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>>266242524
>better story
>that unoriginal tripe
>which turned fan fiction tier in TOR
>Biodrones are this retarded

>>266242480
Kyle could take her.
He's flexible enough in his styles/strategy, and he's been dicked around before so he knows how to handle it

While I do like Kotor, the fighting is the same ridiculous shit we saw in the prequels

Jedi Knight did the OT feel much better, Kyle uses guns and grenades in addition to his lightsaber and it's more grounded fighting due to the mechanics. Also you can't use the powers of the force that often which keeps them feeling rare and powerful like in OT

When the power levels go too high I just stop caring

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>>266235465
I don't know who Kreia is because I haven't played KotOR in like 4 years but I know for a FACT that Plo Koon would beat the shit out of her.

>>266242560

Something less. As far as I know, no one that actually feels the Force can voluntarily just "let go" of it. Visas compares losing the Force to blinding a painter. It's supposed to be an incredibly traumatic experience that leaves you an emtpy shell of a person.

>>266242774
Implying you ever used anyone but Atton and Kreia.

You didn't even mention Kreia, what's wrong with you?

>>266242337
Play them in release order, dingus.

>>266242649
God I loved those so much

Made the game feel like a movie, which I think is what they were trying to go for. Not only that, but the game has some of the best pacing I've ever experienced in a game. It's just so perfect. Gotta play through that again.

>>266236582
Bane trilogy
thrawn trilogy

if you want to increase you knowledge of the force read darth plaugies

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>>266242734
>he's only watched the movies
>He didnt see them enough to see Mace and Obi arent that great and died like bitches

>>266242524
>better characters
>implying dull characters like Zaalbar or Carth match up to GO-TO, KOTOR 2 era HK, Atton or Bao-Dur

>>266241715
I never understand this criticism. I think Kreia scolded me possibly once, for giving money to a beggar or some dumb shit.

If you try, there were always multiple options in addition to the
>good for the sake of good
>evil for the sake of evil
options if you thought about it.

>>266242182
confirmed for being lazy and not paying attention, or not actually playing Kotor2.

>>266242413
technically Palpy did BTFO Windu, because he used the teaching and moral code of the Jedi against him with Anakin
Mace windu tried striking him down without a trial or anything, Anakin reacted because ''it's immoral and against our code'' while knowing that Palpy was evil as all fuck.

That would've made the movies so much better ,l would accept it easier.

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>>266241605
palpatine threw the fight so anakin would be forced to step in and betray the jedi

>>266242594
In Kotor 2 the mastery bonuses are more prominent. The whole point of going full light or dark in Kotor 2 so you could get the specialization for your Jedi class.

Let's face it Kotor 2 is a fun game but it's practically the same game with updated models and force powers that you will probably never use because the sound of crunching enemies bodies is too good to pass up. Both games have the same stupid dialogue choices and equally stupid stories.

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>>266242776
There's a Mass Effect anime movie
It was okay, but its about Jersey Shore

>>266242815
>>that unoriginal tripe
Come on man, how often did you see that before in vidya? At the time it was quite a twist for a stupid videogame

>>266242915
>Rekt by clonetroopers

>>266243021
>Implying
>Windu died because he saw the weakness of Palpatine in the future and the motherfucking faggot killed him. He could have easly defeat him.
>Kenobi is basically inmortal and one of the masters of Soresu of the galaxy.
Sure mate.

>>266242358
Nah, they were already red humans.

The good thing that KotOR II did was keep them mysterious, so if you had no foreknowledge you wondered what they looked like. If you had foreknowledge you wonder where they all went.

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>>266243341
Whatever helps you sleep at night, young padawan.

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Lol)))))

>>266243179
Yeah, I admit my jaw dropped at the time. The first time. When I was, what 12 or something I think.

>>266243518
No arguments? Sure pal.

Revan is stronger than Kreia.

>>266243161
>Let's face it Kotor 2 is a fun game but it's practically the same game with updated models and force powers that you will probably never use because the sound of crunching enemies bodies is too good to pass up.

not really.
KoToR 1 has the crippling replay flaw in that anything other than a pure melee character or a pure force character is practically worthless due to the 1v1 segments, coupled with the complete lack of motivation to do anything but make said build.

KoToR 2 made this much better.
Tech builds, blaster builds and even unarmed builds are now completely viable to complete the game with, and there are reasons you might actually want to do so.
the exp bonus/item creation/bashing causing broken items actually gives you motivation to use skills as well.

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>>266243601
>Rekt in shitty MMO game

>>266243164
That movie was actually a lot better than I expected.

>yfw everything Big McLargeHuge did was for nothing and all his comrades died in vain because Shepard killed the collectors anyway

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>>266243381
>>266242431
I didn't even know there actually WERE red skinned Siths in canon before, thanks.

>>266243596
I dont need to argue
>Its my opinion
>none of this is real

>>266243120
Nah. You're giving George Lucas too much credit.

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>>266243705
it's fanfiction m8, don't dignify it by implying it's anything else.

>>266243179
I've gotta say I disliked certain aspects of the story.

Two hours into kotor 2 I was saying "This bitch is gonna betray me." over and over again.

And then it happened and I wasn't surprised at all.

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What are they doing

>>266243867
so is KOTOR

>>266243903
Fanning the air towards each other because Mustafar is really hot due to all that lava.

>>266243903
Making it look cool

Turning your whole body 360° barely helps you and leaves you open for a strike

But it looks cool

>>266243868
We were talking about first Kotor, though

>>266243868
She didn't betray you. She was just helping you fulfill your potential, shit she even saved you from the Jedi Council.

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>>266243903
parry fishing

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>>266243814
Ok. Call me back when you are done shitposting.

>>266241605
>Kit Fist-Me

my sides are in orbit

>>266243164
oh god, its real

>>266244005
Soooo... they are still friends?

>>266243868
Yeah, Kreia is clearly intended to betray you. CLEARLY. So clearly, that I do not think it was intended to be a surprise. You can get her to talk about being Darth Traya right after Peragus.

>>266243903
ridiculously exaggerating a fencing technique.
Can't recall the exact details, but it's about matching your opponents sword movement and looking for an opening to strike.

Naturally this shit takes it beyond eleven

>>266243664
Like builds really matter when the games become piss easy halfway through.

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>tfw BioWare cant be trusted with their own IPs anymore
>KotOR is kill
>Mass Effect is kill
>Dragon Age is kill but may be ressurected
>Jade Empire is better off not having a BioWare sequel
>they belong to EA

>>266243868
If you talk to her, she straight up admits being sith.
She's pretty much hiding in plain sight.

>>266237576
Why would you not care about George Lucas's opinion? He might make bad decisions sometimes but he still created Star Wars. That's like saying you don't care about George Romero's opinion on zombie canon.

>>266243781
Not any more thanks to Disney, but yeah.

Sith history's pretty neat, man. Shame about that faggot fucking mouse ruining a perfectly fine universe.

>>266244101
>I think X is better than X, thats my opinion at least.
>SHITPOSTER
Right.

>>266244075
I still feel like that's just bullshit she spews when she realizes you're about to cut her into little tiny pieces.

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Sidious is the most powerful force user of all time.

>>266244316
>but may be
You still haven't learnt a goddamn thing.

>Anakin
>Stronger than Yoda
>Rekt by Obi-Wan
LEL

>>266244481
I dont want to be a negative nancy!

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>>266244431
Seriously, get out

>>266244220
That's the point, silly. The builds allow you to keep the challenge. It's not about making a powerful build, but about making a cool build; something you enjoy playing. The game is extremely easy, it's true.

For example, I just don't use Force lightning anymore, because it ruins the game.

>>266235465
Prequel Yoda probably could. Either way he'd end up winning or getting away.

I think the real question should be who could beat the Exile.
>inb4 hurr Sith Emperor and Scourge

>>266244382
>Why would you not care about George Lucas's opinion? He might make bad decisions sometimes but he still created Star Wars.

Given that the original trilogy was a collaborative effort with many people chipping in ideas, and many of Lucas' original concepts being full retard, this isn't the case.

Had Lucas genuinely made the entire thing, by himself, from scratch, it would hold more weight.

>>266244548
No

>>266244438
You should probably replay the game, she takes you as her apprentice so the Jedi and Sith can both be wiped out and replaced with a better new order under the Exile. She doesn't have any intention of actually killing the Force like Atris tells you, it's just a lure to get you to go back to Malachor V, a place you'd otherwise stay far the fuck away from. She says that she's proud of you at the end because you managed to finally put her out of her misery and accomplish her dream of getting rid of the corrupt Jedi and scumbag Sith.

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Name someone who could beat Exar Kun, he's easily second to the emperor in force ability, but 1st when it comes to lightsaber dueling.

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Hey guys...

>>266244562
Yeah, basically any lightsaber build could fuck everything up in a moment
>first run through, I did a flurry-based lightsaber build, one-shotted the last half of the game and two-shotted kreia

>>266239450
Why do they feel the need to shape video game characters like their voice actors?

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>>266244540
being positive is one thing, being retarded is quite another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOMXGeSNG8

You guys ready to see Bioware rape KotOR into the ground even further?

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Could anyone from the movies beat Revan?

Before he got nerfed to hell in TOR

>>266244752
Saves a lot of time with designs

>>266244776
>nerfed like hell in TOR
What happened?

>>266244540
Just fucking loot at the promo, it's going to be compared to DA2 what DA2 was to Origins and there is not a single piece of evidence against it, while the shit keeps piling up.

>>266244845
Rekt by 5 neckbeards

>>266244642
please

>>266244845
Nothing, that guy is just complaining because he's a dungeon boss, not a raid boss. You still need four people to kill him.

>>266244750
I had tons of fun with a Sith Lord with 8 str/dex/con and maxed wis/int/cha, who only ever took Light powers.

>>266244845
He got nerfed to hell.

ITT: people who know nothing about Star Wars

>>266244690
KoToR 2 Revan could, given how his powers get expanded upon.

Fuck ToR for using him as a foil to their Original charcter, donut steele.

>>266244562
Just because a build is challenging doesn't make it ineffective.
>>266244750
Same. Anticlimatic as shit when the final boss couldn't even touch you.

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>>266235853
>MFW people still think bane is the best
>MFW he couldn't even bring himself back from the dead like based Sidious

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>>266244776
And I bet you're not just talking about any Revan

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DO IT!

>>266241441
Dude. He's Darth Vader's apprentice. Wouldn't it make sense for him to be one of the strongest Sith alive, even without a lot of training?

>>266239116
>could kreia defeat revan

Kreia made Revan. Revan is just a medium that Kreia uses to enact her will on the galaxy.

>>266244845
lore rape

>>266244845
He and the Exile attacked the Sith Emperor, exile was kill and Revan got turned into a slave and dungeon boss

>>266245073
But if a build is challenging, then the game isn't too easy, is it?

>>266245031
only has normalfag movie knowledge of the series

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>People talking about fan-fiction characters like Revan or Bane
Not canon so what's the point?

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>>266242939
I figure the person would basically be like a droid but even droids are more of an entity since they aren't black holes sucking in force energy into oblivion.

Shit how does that even work?

>>266244316
>may be resurrected
lmao, if believing that eases the pain then who am i to say otherwise

Lucas said Sidious was canonically the most powerful Sith to ever exist. But fuck Lucas

>>266236438
>EU shit

If Sidious is so strong why did he bother with Luke at all? Why not have Vader take him to a prison cell and then create a force storm over the Rebel fleet destroying all their ships in a way faster time than it would have taken to continuously fire the Death Star laser?

The answer is he couldn't because he was never meant to be that fucking strong.

>>266245304

For fun

>>266245229
Revan made his own path, Kreia was very clear about that.

The Jedi may have scapegoated her, but Revan deliberately sought out as many views as possible so he wouldn't be restricted in his thinking.

>>266245263
Wouldn't that just mean kotor 1 is harder than kotor 2 then?

>>266245363

Fucking this. I'm glad EU isn't considered cannon any more, holy shit it was fucking stupid beyond belief.

>>266244845
He gets captured and imprisoned by the sith emperor. It's revealed the reason Revan and Malak were mind controlled to turn them evil which is why they came back dark.

>>266245304
>My imaginary characters are more real than your imaginary characters

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>>266245304
>fan fiction
>like Revan
>OP specifically said Kreia

I'm not big on Star Wars lore and all that jazz, watched the films and played a few of the games.
But isn't Luke supposed to be pretty powerful after the events of the films?

>>266236582
Thrawn trilogy
rogue squadron series
Anything after RotJ, besides truce at bakura which I've been trying to read for a year. Rogue Squadrons badass if you like a top gun/Star Wars novel. Wedge Antilles hops on one transparisteel leg.

>>266236438
>Sidious can summon planet devouring force storms
If that were true, then he would have no need of a Death Star.

>>266245106
>stole Revan's techniques from a holocron

so power much stronk

>>266245485
Maybe. Yes? No? but I don't know what your point is. Did someone say the opposite? I recall someone said 2 has more options, which is incontrovertible.

>>266245485
KoToR 1 is ridiculously easy if you go with a pure lightsaber/force build, but the difficulty with other builds is simply due to it pulling the rug out from under you.

>what's that, you made a support character that stays at the back?
>well fuck you, have a melee heavy 1v1 with no way of utilising skills.

>>266245608
>EU writers in charge of writing a coherent story.

>>266245504
Then why did he keep war related infrastructure intact during his conquests, before his mind was wrecked? It seems he always intended to assemble his own armada from the star forge + conquered planets to face the emperor.

>>266241715
You can actually be a human being in the second game though. You can be lightside and have a sense of humor. You can be darkside and not be a complete psychopath.

>>266242524
>Bioware better ... story

Kotor is literally an ancient evil awakens and you as the chosen one are the only one who can stop it.

Jaden Korr with Ragnos scepter can rek Luke 1v1

>>266243164

Why didn't /v/ stream this?

So many years passed by. It's old now.

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>>266245106
>even mentioning Dark Empire, the worst part of the entire Star Wars expanded universe

>muh Super Star Destroyer with a death star laser on it
>muh gun that can destroy entire solar systems from the other side of the Galaxy
>muh force storms that can kidnap people somehow
>muh world devastators
>muh where the fuck am I getting half of these from
>muh turn Luke to the dark side plot
>oh god who the fuck is writing this

>>266245363
Dear god, this.

Escalation syndrome hit Star Wars like a fucking truck.
All the authors wanted their super special plot, powers and enemies, but didn't consider the retroactive damage they were doing to the series.

Something I like about KoToR 2 is that, while there are powerful figures like Nihlus/Sion present, the game makes it very clear that their power is only an illusion of strength; the fact that they can't control it makes the power their weakness.

>>266244487
Obi wan is greatest defensive duelist of all time so it makes sense that he could make the battle last so long. He only won because Ani is dumb

>>266245985
Hold on, is he conjuring force lightning with his mechanical hand?

>>266245545
Yeah, he gradually becomes pretty incredible and eventually leads the new Jedi Order. He tries to avoid fighting much but on the rare occasions he does in the books he becomes a force of nature.

>>266245693
Kotor 2 does have more options but I feel like it doesn't matter what you do because all options are so viable it makes the game too easy no matter what.
>>266245719
Those bits were the worst.

>the fight on taris with the sith that stuns your friends

To be honest though I think it's hard to imagine this game going purely blaster since so many things can just whip out a sword and whack you with it.

>>266241605
He's stronger than nihilus? you know, the guy who destroyed a planet by saying a word?

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>people talking about jackoffs and shits

Let's talk about the real fighters.

>so strong in the past Revan was the only one who could stop them
>so strong in the future the only one who can properly train a jedi snot to kill sith is Mandalore

>>266246151
B-but cunning warrior!

>>266242456
>It is the most ferocious Lightsaber combat technique. Primarily offensive which is unusual for Jedi obivously.
> offensive
>unusual for Jedi
I dunno. The Jedi were really offensive to me.

The best part about KotOR 2 is giving Kreia a shitty build and wrecking her.

And fuck T3 that nigger is worthless.

>Star Wars Games
>Boba Fett owned by 18 years old jedi

>>266245545
Luke indeed becomes powerful after the events of the movies. He even passes up Palpatine in power level. But I don't think he ever reached Chosen One level strength like Anakin was supposed to become.

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>>266243664
>KoToR 1 has the crippling replay flaw in that anything other than a pure melee character or a pure force character is practically worthless due to the 1v1 segments

See pic

I agree though, stuff like sneak attack not working on bosses is fucking daft.

>>266245962

I let's his loli waifu die to save blue pussy.

>>266246272
Only because of Lucas' shitty depiction of them in the prequels as corrupt moronic generals who also not only acted as peacekeepers but straight up intervened in wars and stuff.

Their depiction in the original trilogy and the Thrawn books is more as mediators who were supposed to avoid coming across as overtly political.

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>>266246151
>>266246256
Obi Wan won that fight because he had the power of the High Ground.

A secret technique mastered only by Obi Wan, and known in whispers of fear by the rest of the galaxy.

Only Obi Wan could master attacking from the High ground, and only Obi Wan could master attacking an opponent on the high ground.

Notice in the originals, Darth Vader made sure to attack Obi Wan on perfectly flat ground, despite the fact that he probably could have attacked him anywhere on the station.

Notice that in Empire, when Vader forces Luke down the stairs, he doesn't attack from a high point, he makes sure to get even with him.
Notice how ferocious he was when Luke was on his back, and how quickly he fought to disarm him; he was petrified that Obi Wan had taught him the secret technique of the High Ground.
Notice in Jedi, when Luke stands above him on the gantry, he destroys his high position immediately.
Notice that when Vader knows he can't go on, he slumps to the ground - He was signalling that he had no hope of winning by giving Luke the High ground, the ultimate weapon against him.

It's truly poetry in motion.

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in being awesome no one can defeat General Grievous

>>266246239
>literally invincible to light sabers
>Jedi literally had to destroy a planet to stop them

>>266245878
You can be a human being in the first one as well. If you want to go purely light or dark side of course your going to go to the extremes of both sides but you can still be more of a neutral in both games. They both have near the same level of dialogue options.

>>266246256
His weakness was his pride
>flat out told that you can't win anymore because your opponent has an overwhelming advantage
>NUH UH
>FANCY FLIPPY SHIT
>SHIT FUCK OW MY HALF MY BODY

>>266246480
>tfw you really really like Grievous but most of the time he comes across and is treated as such by the fanbase as a saturday morning cartoon villain who constantly fails

>>266246521
>start galaxy spanning wars for FUN

>>266243664
>KOTOR2
>blaster builds
Ohhh, yeah. I forgot about this dope shit.
One of my dudes was Space Rambo. Couldn't anything take him down.

>>266246480
Cad Bane was pretty awesome

>>266246390
Good.

>>266242413
But Mace Windu is supposed to be an extremely physically powerful Jedi, not just mentally. Morgan Freeman would have been way too old even then.

Hello I am Star Wars lorefag pro here

Kreia was hypocritically atavistic and radical at the same time. She paid lip service to the old sith masters but made extensive use of modern (for her era) techniques and wanted to destroy the force. Despite her rambling about the great power of the past lords they were in fact much less advanced than the kotor era jedi and sith, and though the sith arguably peaked during the tor era empire they did do independently of human sith culture. From the kotor era, the sith regressed until bane at which point they became continually stronger and more subtly influential. The Jedi on the other hand were never truly weak at any point after kotor 2 until the rise of the empire and lord knows they didn't maintain themselves by sheer numbers.
Let's be clear here-the greatest of the Jedi, and all of bane's sith by definition amalgamated knowledge in order to grow more powerful. Kreia's knowledge was far from lost, it was horded. Any of the great Jedi of the clone wars era would've known of it, and certainly sidious would've. They would not be as susceptible to it as vrook, zez Kai ell and kavar were. And going off of the idea that she'd defeat them by manipulation, I don't think it's too unsafe to say that sidious has a record of influence that more than rivals anything Kreia's ever done

So yeah, she'd not be nearly as potent

>>266246390
I once had a character who at that point had no ranged powers. Sentinel, I think.

That fight was a lot of fun, I tell you.

>>266246412
Fucking this. In the thrawn trilogy I remember Luke cutting himself out of the republic military and politics to act as a mediator in conflicts such as with a barabel at one point

>tfw 5 attacks per round with a single saber.

I AM BECOME DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS!

>>266235782
>>266235853
nigga please, Darth Plagueis would shit on these noobs

>>266246845
Plagueis is weaker than sidious but almost objectively stronger than bane

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>mfw chain force crushing single enemies

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Does jumping on the head of the enemy gives you High Ground advantage?

>>266246692
>Kreia was hypocritically atavistic and radical at the same time. She paid lip service to the old sith masters but made extensive use of modern (for her era) techniques and wanted to destroy the force.
How is she gonna do that: vaccinate everyone against midichlorians?

>>266246843

>tfw 8 30-100 damage attacks per round with two.

I restarted when i realized i would one-shot every enemy from then on.

>>266235853

Bane's entire purpose was to set about the rule of two.

The rule that says the stronger Sith kills the weaker Sith.

So theoretically in the line of Sith Lords Bane should be the weakest and Sidious should be the strongest. Because the idea is the strongest Sith Lord is always raising an even stronger Sith Lord.

>>266247128
m8 that fight is fucking impossible i only won it because there's a small gap at the side where she can fall to her death

>>266247149
No. There was a rip in the force on malachor. She was going to cause the rip to expand, encompassing the galaxy

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>>266235853
>bane
>inventor of the infamous 'rule of two' that is the most fucking ludicrous bullshit created for the sole purpose of giving unnecessary reasons for why there are only 2 sith lords in the movies.

this is his whole purpose in existing
contrived is the best word to describe this bullshit.

>>266246295
>The best part about KotOR 2 is giving Kreia a shitty build and wrecking her.
Your build actually influences her when she becomes your adversary? I dinna nodat.
That's awesome.

>>266247149
She wanted to create enough wounds in the force ala Malachor (or in the movies, alderaan) to destroy it entirely. This is pretty much magic logic though.

>>266247265
I was jumping on her head knocking her out.

>>266246295

>Make Kreia support
>Have no buffs when i have to fight her.

Fugg D:

>>266244220
>Like builds really matter when the games become piss easy halfway through.
Are you actually complaining that you can make an OP character? To me, that's the mark of a good RPG. I love to elevate someone from Bumblebee tier to Prime tier.

>>266236582
The X-wing series is pretty damn good

>>266247270
>>266247337

The only person who tells you this is Atris who Kreia is explicitly said to have lied to.

Kreia did not seriously want to destroy the Force, it was bait.

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>>266247265
LOL NOOB

Explain this to me kotor 2 fags.

If your character lost connection to the force why does bludgeoning a couple of robots instantly make you gain the knowledge to shoot lightning out of your finger tips.

>>266247057
Sidious couldn't figure out stop himself from dying until Plagueis told him. He's dumb.

>>266245106
Could a fully powered-up Raiden from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance kill all the Jedis?

>>266247265
use speed or rage then attack like a retard, works on every enemy

>>266247556
Did you blunged droids IRL?

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>>266241252

>>266247437
>just auto level her up
>have to use all the buff/healing items I hoarded through my playthrough

Weaponmaster is shit class.

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>>266246419
It all makes sense now.

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>>266247629
I completed game on Jedi Master without use of speed and rage. I am good?

>>266247273
>contrived is the best word to describe this bullshit.

There are so many holes in that concept that I find it difficult to begin

>accident kills both of them
>master can't find a worthy apprentice before he gets decrepit
>master decides "you know what, fuck getting an apprentice, I enjoy living"
>apprentice fucks off with enough knowledge of the force to get by
>master and apprentice kill each other
>master settles for a bad apprentice, who gets lucky and starts a cycle of slowly worsening Sith
>Jedi luck out and catch both of them

etc
Whoever thought it up was plain retarded, and by that I mean the author.

>>266247495
Not him kotor 2 is my favorite single player game ever but I don't think that's a good thing. It takes away from any sort of triumphant feeling when you've been stomping everything for the last 39 hours and the narrative suffers too

>>266247556
Connection to Kreia and contrive for game mechanics

>>266247516
Atris says it to you in a case you haven't figured it out yet. The best lies contain nuggets of truth and Kreia proves herself to be unbelievably obsessed with self reliance throughout the game, the force is antithetical to that. Also the scene with the disciple and Kreia and the galaxy map

>>266247556
Exile was too strong before Malachor. Exile get depressed because lot of death. Slowly degenerate while wandering galaxy. Finally become almost human. Only then was Exile able to encounter a challenge, something that made his survival instinct kick in. That's how I see it, anyway.

>>266247721
>Weaponmaster is shit class.

LOL no. Two lightsabers+master speed+master flurry=instagib every enemy.

>>266247562
That's the fucking point of being an apprentice

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>>266247184
>I restarted when i realized i would one-shot every enemy from then on.
I find that exhilarating. It's like when Obi Wan almost got rekt by Jango Fett, but Mace Windu just walked up to him and beheaded him in one move.

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>Anything other than a gunslinging Consular/Watchman or Dark Consular/Assasin

>>266243285
I don't think that people realize that the Clone Troopers were THE BEST trained soldiers ever. I don't think it's unrealistic for an entire squad of Clones to overpower one or two Jedi.

>>266247889
>master speed
>implying my younger self realized the importance of force buffs

>>266248047

Joke's on you, speed and maybe battle meditation are the only buffs worth having.

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>>266247823
B.BUT ANON!! The sith are, like, SO EVIL, that if they had too many than ther would be too much in-fighting and stuff! and it would ruin the sith!

>>266248130
full power force enlightenment turns you into a complete wrecking ball.

>>266248130
>>266248047
The problem with the buffs in these games is that there's so many by the time you've cast the last one the first one has ran out.

>>266247871
>depressed
Are you kidding? The Exile had a natural aptitude for creating force bonds. When all the Jedi he served with died when the mass shadow generator was activated, the ripple effect of those deaths flowed through the bonds back into him, and would have killed him if he hadn't cut himself off from the Force

>>266242018

The exile.

>>266248286
That's why some genius at obsidian came up with force enlightenment

>>266247936
Plagueis figured that shit out on his own. Tell me what Sidious figured out on his own.

>>266248420
how to take over a galaxy

DARTH BETRAYA

TRIPLE AAA WRITING

>>266248420
How to destroy an order more ancient than the republic and rule the entire galaxy

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>play Swtor back when it first came out
>decide to try Sith Warrior
>your master is some fat fuck

Seriously? Why were there so many fat sith in that game I don't get it.

>>266248252

Yeah, but that requires prestige.

Master speed+Master battle meditation has basically the same effect anyway.

>>266235465
If you could control lightsabers with just your mind why bother having any handles to them. Seems a waste.

>>266248359
>>depressed
>Are you kidding?
Yes. I'm just saying that affected the Exile a lot, even broke him, by some accounts.

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>all the cut content for KotOR2

What exaclty does the restoration mod add?

>>266248476
>>266248515
Living forever > Take over a galaxy

>>266248634
Play TSLRCM

>>266248634
Not enough
>tfw Genoharadan restoration never

>>266248665
plagueis didn't live forever

>>266248420
Sidious conquered the galaxy which every previous Sith had failed to do...

>>266248534
>but that requires prestige.
are you implying prestige is difficult to get?

>>266248489
If her name was Darth Loyal would that make good writing?

>>266248564
Because the blade emits from nothing right? And lightsabers with hilts aren't infinitely more prevalent and available than lightsabers without, right?

Are you fucking retarded?

>>266248524
The body options were dumb and I think they distributed them randomly

>>266248634
Hk factory, a ton of dialogue, otherwise not too much. Ending is more satisfying

It makes a big impact given the focus of the game

>>266248665
How'd that work out for Plagueis

>>266248564
They're necessary to produce the blade

>>266248634

I`m not sure, it's the only version i have ever played.

>>266248698

That's what he is asking about.

>>266248524
>playing Sith in TOR

God, ignoring the obvious downfalls the factions in that game were so unbalanced it was ridiculous

>>266248634
The end + a bunch of other shit that was cut because it was actually trash.

I'm glad the mod got made and everything but there are so many unnessecary additional lines, scenes and fight sequences that do nothing more than cripple the pacing of the game that it's arguably not even worth it. The ending is still noticably lacking and the only really good thing to come out of it was the HK factory, which had already been restored for years.

>>266245304
Bane is actually a part of canon. He was thought up by Lucas for the backstory for Episode I -not mentioned in the movie I don't think, but he is mentioned in the novelization which is still canon - and he's also in The Clone Wars Season 6 arc with Yoda.

>>266248790

I`m implying other prestige classes are better.

>>266248634
lots of minor content, extra conversation/context for plot critical scenes, HK and the droid factory and the Bounty Hunter war.

It makes the game a lot less of a clusterfuck

>>266248564
If you saw the inside of the light saber handle and understood how they work you would understand why

>>266248987
Whats good in Watchman/Assassin?

>>266248923
Some of the dialogue clarifies a lot

They added it all with the logic that most old fans installing it wanted to see everything

>>266248987
you know you get enlightenment regardless of prestige class, right?

Enlightenment is for light side and crush is for dark side.

Starkiller?
I meant, he did pull a fucking star destroyer out of orbit

>>266249165
>Starkiller
FUCK YOU

>>266249058
Sneak Attacks + skills.

If you start as a high dex and wis consular then go watchman/assassin you can pretty much always land stun attacks and sneak attack damage gets applied to stunned targets, it's a lot of fun if you're a gunslinger character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG4tG0gK_nI

>>266249136

I did not, that might have something to do with the fact that i didn't get a prestige class until after i had maxed my alignment.

>>266249165
In what was the most tedious moment in the game. Something that was not indicated in the cinematic trailers and advertisements preceding the game.

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>>266249165

>>266249410
It's always fun to identify a moment in a game that exists exclusively for advertising

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>>266249405
>that might have something to do with the fact that i didn't get a prestige class until after i had maxed my alignment.
You may be confusing enlightenment with force mastery

>Star Wars thread on a Thursday afternoon.

What alternate reality did i wake up in?

>>266242972
I never brought her along on most trips because I got so fucking sick of her asinine lectures. Yeah, I get it, be practical and cautious in what you give of yourself, and make sure it isn't done so wastefully. It's not MY fucking fault the dumbass you serve as a mouthpiece didn't write me any options to be smart about my good deeds, and it sure as hell doesn't mean I'm gonna start being an asshole just because you want to pretend that's the only choice.

I consider her the villain more than a crew member. Though villain's not quite the right word. Antagonist/Opponent, you get what I mean.

>>266249505
>It's always fun to identify a moment in a game that exists exclusively for advertising
that fucking moment in the second game with Yoda. Pure bait.

>>266249660

Same thing.

>>266249165
Actually, he didn't. You'll notice in the game that it was already coming down to the planet, it wasn't in some stationary orbit.

In the comic and book, it's both heavily damaged, not fully operational, and falling. All he did was change the angle it was falling at, and the effort required to do so nearly killed him - and then he only survived the actual impact by sheer strength of plot armor.

>>266249712

The best one, don't go back to sleep, your waifu will be home in a couple hours.

>>266247516
But doesn't she say as much to you again on Malachor V? Why continue with the baiting charade if she already has you where she wants you?

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Why this was so hard

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Answer me this Lorefags! Who's the Strongest being in the Star Wars universe?

>>266250285
anakin skywalker

>>266249827
they really aren't

Force enlightenment is a power that applies the best available Speed/Aura/Valor abilities at the same time.

Mastery is a passive attribute/skill bonus depending on your class/alignment.

Christ man, when did you last play it?

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>>266250285
Rosh Penin

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Best star wars game coming through, don't mind me.

>>266250285
one of the stormtroopers

>>266249920
If I remember my Star Wars lore correctly, star destroyers can't enter the atmosphere. Don't remember why they just can't land on planets or enter atmospheres