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Why's everyone saying Megaman is terrible?
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Why's everyone saying Megaman is terrible?

He's really not that bad. It just takes some technique. That upsmash and aerial game is ridiculous.
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People think they can just rush in and beat everyone.
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>>263260860
Smash 4 is probably gonna be all about matchups anyways.

He's fine.
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>>263261043
>implying smash isn't fast paced enough to KO quickly
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His aerials are garbage, he doesn't even have a real nair or ftilt, and he just can't get kills.
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Im winning wirh him against lv9 with ease
He is pretty good, people dont know how to use him
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He's great, people just need to git gud.
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>>263260860
OH THAT UPSMASH
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>>263262236
IT REDEEMS HIM DOESN'T IT?
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>>263262236
>>263262349
HAPPY FEET
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People aren't used to having no jab attack and no n-air.
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>killing people at 40& with air shooter
>best air game in the game
>average recovery
>Good smashes
>not shoting metal blade to the ground then picking it up
>leaf shield covers the entire stage, never dissapears
>crash bomb is very difficult to avoid
>lemons have knocjback
>above average grab andweight
>very good utilt dtilt dash attack

He is very good but plays completely different from any character before it, manage your distance people
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>>263262236
>>263262418
THAT AINT FALCO
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>>263262610
>lemons have knocjback
Not really at low%.
>crash bomb is very difficult to avoid
the fact that you can shield it is a big nerf. Best used on an off-stafe opponent.

Also yeah Metal Blade isn't as bad as it seems at first. Just have to know the timings for when you can throw another one, and mix it up with leaf shield or lemons/crash bomb
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>>263263128
Yeah good luck figuring out the timing to block the crash bomb explosion in the middle of a match
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>>263263128
I've seen the AI try to shield the Crash Bomb explosion and they fail everytime.
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>>263264808
They succeed sometimes
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he's too unique. a full blown reflection of his series. /
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My biggest disappointment is that I can't toss out Metal Blades at the same speed as MM2.

What alternate moves would you like to see, Mega Bros?

B: Metal Blade, Shadow Blade (MM3), Wheel Cutter or Triple Blade (MM10)
DownB: Leaf Shield, Plant Barrier, Jewel Shield (MM9). Jewel Shield was the best shield ever.
SideB: Crash Bomb, Ice Slasher, Flash Bomb (MM8)
UpB: Rush Coil, Beat, Auto (MM7)
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>>263260860
Because he's a new character and he hasn't been worked to death yet. Personally, I think he's great, especially for zoning. Kinda sucks that there's no Protoman skin, but his moves and animations are really faithful.
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I think the leaf shield is bad in smash because it was also terrible in MM2, they are just being faithful.

Though its even worse in smash as sometimes it doesnt block stuff.
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>>263265653
Is that a list of confirmed alternate moves?
Because ice slasher and beat are in.
Ive heard skull shield and plant shield are in too
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>>263265974
No, that was my wish list. This is the list of confirmed moves:

B
2. Hyper Bomb
3. Shadow Blade

Left/Right
2. Ice Thrasher or Slasher
3. Danger Wrap

Up
2. Tornado Hold
3. Beat

Down
2. Skull Barrier
3. Plant Barrier
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>>263266372
>danger wrap

Oh shit doesn it work like in MM7?
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>tfw they nerfed pikachu's sair to no kill power
>tfw it feels like forward smash has more startup lag
>tfw I can't find kill power

Ahh, hell. At least Thunder has no startup lag and will always bolt even if you're intercepted immediately
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>>263266372

>still no MM5 attack

Fuck Beat, that shit doesn't count.
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>>263266595
Sort of. It comes out in front of you, then floats up and explodes on contact. Sadly doesn't seem to trap anyone inside. Still, seems more useful than Crash. You'd be able to control the space in front of you, and then vertical space too.
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>>263266643
Gotta get sweetspot uairs.

Megaman is feeling not good because he has nothing that particularly pressures opponents besides easy to handle projectiles. You gotta remember that metal blade can be caught by whomever you are fighting against and crash bomb is pretty easy to avoid/shield the explosion. His projectiles are all linear and his only decent tilt is dtilt, but it functions pretty much the same purpose as his dash attack. His fair and bair are his only utility moves really and they are only average/slightly above average at what they do. It may seem easy to KO the AI, but MM really lacks a proper lead in to a kill move and telegraphs his megabuster pretty well. Your best bet is dsmash. He also seems to lack the proper options for good platform pressure.

Right now he is just missing tools. It's entirely possible someone figures out shit that works, but short of trying to run away the entire match (which I argue Pika and Villager can do better) he doesn't seem to have a proper niche.
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>>263267238
>gotta sweetspot airs
I meant usmash. With Pika. A shame they made the good part so tiny. It also bugs me that on the whole almost no aerials have killing potential with anyone.
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You have to play Megaman like its a megaman game. Jump n' shoot.
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I think Mega Man will be much better once we have access to GameCube controllers and CStick quick smashes.
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>>263267539
>Jump n' shoot.
>Being the faggot at the party that spams projectiles.
Fuck you, Peter, how about playing someone other than fucking Link.
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>>263266741

You can pretend the slide is Charge Kick.
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I heard that Villager can steal his Final Smash. Is that true?
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>>263267672
We can already do quick smashes with enough dexterity. The problem is tap jump.
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>>263267968
Having tap jump off isn't going to do much for MM. Similarly, being able to easily drop uairs and do 100% fading bairs/fairs still won't help MM much.
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>>263268081
It will do a lot, up tilt is amazing
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>>263268184
Megaman's utilt is trash and is easy to do on the slidepad. If anything pivots and stuttersteps are what's shit on the controlpad that could help him. Seriously though, how is utilt amazing? It's SLOW. Up to pretty much higher mid %, characters can recover from the hitstun before MM can do anything. You can punish him for hitting you sometimes.
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>>263262709
OHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>263267859

Still.

>no MM10 attack
>no MM&B attack

Fuck Sakawaii.
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>>263261195
>didn't get the joke
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I keep saying it, but just wait for the full game. As soon as we can turn of stick jumping, Megaman's up tilt will be so much easier to pull off.
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>>263268427
Git gud
Its amazing at mid percentages
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I'm actually pretty good as him in the demo. He has alot of ranged attacks yes but his dash A is pretty good for getting in close and his down smash is lethal
The villager on the otherhand is hard for me to get the hang of
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Is it possible to chain Megaman's buster shots? i.e. f.a right into neutral a. back in f.a in a quick succession.
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>>263268838
Nice argument, buddy. It leads to nothing and is slow. It's not good.
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His Up Smash is the same as Villager's, he's got no tilt, and basically all his A moves are goddamn awful. Only move he's got that's good is his side smash (Which is very easily avoidable) and his up smash, and Villager's got the exact same up smash.

I mean, I'm not playing this game competitively or anything, but Villager is just bad. He's like Mewtwo in Melee; has some cool and interesting moves, but none of them actually do much damage.
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>>263269026
It leads to MM amazing aerials
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You just gotta space properly, don't play him like a Smash character. Play him like Mega Man. The uncharged mega buster is surprisingly effective for edgeguarding if you're accurate with if off the edge, but his aerials are some of his best tools. Just don't underestimate his jab and metal blade.
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Im fine with MM not being top tier material.
I wouldnt want tourneyfags all over him just because hes good
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>>263264808
>>263263226
No no, I mean you can shield the bomb itself and it does nothing to your shield. When someone throws a bomb at a shield, you at least slide away and have a little shield stun, plus you can throw stickies at shields and in Brawl you could place mines on people even when their shield was up. It's the kind of item that you have to set up for, or just use it to apply pressure by mixing it up with the different projectiles
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Megaman games are not easy games from my understanding. my problem isn't his moves but the default control scheme.
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>>263269098
No, it really doesn't. Maybe on a braindead CPU, but anyone can just hold left/right and be safe. If anything its best use is to KO when fresh.
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>>263269525
>>263269525
wow u must really suck
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>>263269403
>I want a character to be mediocre so certain people won't play him
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yeah guys... haha...
the demo...
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>>263268563
WOMBO COMBOOO
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>>263269837
>I have no reading comprehension

Go back to elementary school
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Playing the demo, Megaman seems decent, in fact, all the playable characters feel decent. Usually in smash games there's at least one character I just can't get into but it seems they've fixed that this time around. I haven't play all the characters yet however so I'm not entirely sure.
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Link is amazing now, I think I'll main him
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>>263269976
But that's exactly what you just said.

"I want Mega Man to not be top tier (AKA, mediocre), so that tourneyfags (certain people) won't play him."

Either articulate your points better or fuck off back to Reddit.
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>>263267959
villager can pocket the smash ball, but that doesn't give him the final smash, just keep it from being used until he releases it elsewhere
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>>263270216
I dont want anything, I just dont mind if he is not top tier.
Learn to fucking read
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>>263270150
>go against a lvl 9 Mario on FD in Brawl and FD for a round each
>switch to SSB4
>keep overshooting the dash attack
>constantly
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>>263270378
>I wouldnt want tourneyfags all over him just because hes good
You should read your own posts.
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>>263270378
"I wouldn't WANT tourneyfags all over him just because he's good"

Since you clearly don't want to have a conversation above a fourth grade level, or at the very least give a reason as for why you want Megaman to be bad, you may want to start discussing the game here.

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros
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>>263270842
>>263270817
Please learn English retards.
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Meanwhile, Sonic + alt moves becomes WOMBO THE COMBO
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>>263261043
>rush
>beat
You did that on purpose didn't you, you cheeky monkey?
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>>263270216
I 100% agree with you that the MM dude is a retard, but he's seeing it as an issue of semantics. He doesn't mind anyone playing MM as long as it's for "the right reasons" and not just because MM is a good character. Kind of like how popular MK was due to him being top tier, not because he had a million fanboys.

It's still shitty reasoning and still that he doesn't want certain people to play his robot waifu.
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Anyway to keep the cpu stationary? I'm trying to practice combos with Megaman.
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He's ass. Link does everything Mega Man does but better

>Better zoning
>Far better utility with bombs and boomerang, Can do some wonky shit with goth of them
>Much better aerials (Those ssff bairs are much, much better than MM's)
>Better up smash with more coverage and great KO potential
>Fuck awesome zoning deterrent built right into him (shield) that also hilariously shuts down MM
>Short hopped zairs are much better spacing utility than MM's nairs)
>Is faster and heavier

The only thing MM has over link is a better fsmash

Mega Man is doomed to low tier
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>>263270998
Nobody could actually be this stubborn or stupid.
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>>263271318
lv 1 is as close as you'll get to stationary.
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>up tilt is Luigi tier
>down throw has tons of potential
>throwing metal blade at your feet, then picking it up and using as a throwable item
his A, f tilt, and nair all suck balls, but the rest of his moves are pretty great.
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I think Mega Man is good, but there are a few problems with him

>Leaf Shield is completely useless. Does little to no damage, barely blocks anything, and is slow as hell
>Metal Blade has a stupid "One blade at a time" limitation. If they removed the ability for the blades to be picked up and just let him throw them whenever he wanted, it'd be much better
>Crash Bomber isn't really worth all the time it takes to use. The damage and knockback are pretty insignificant and a lot of the time the attack ends up hurting you

Mega Man is a ranged character. He's all about slowly hurting the opponent from a distance and then finishing them off with one of his awesome smash attacks.
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>>263267824
Screw you, bombs and boomerangs all day. Git gud.
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>mfw trying to fight mario
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His upsmash really reminds me of Iron Man's repulsor blast from the MvC titles, which is awesome.
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>>263268609
I mean, asking for moves from 11 games is kind of a tall order. I'd be fine with just the first six, since they were on NES and that's clearly the Mega Man they're using.
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>>263271758
>my dick when fighting mario
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>>263271535
I'm going to sound like a total scrub for saying this, but how the fuck do people use up tilts with tap jumping turned on?
The first thing I did in Brawl was turn that shit off. I always end up jumping when I want to use an up tilt.
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>>263271327
This tier shit is going to turn us into Smogon.
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So, what attacks are customizable in the full game? Because I'm getting rid of Megaman's leaf shield if at all possible.
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To everyone saying Leaf Shield is terrible:

Try using it together with a grab. Instant chunk of damage. The leaves all hit your grabbed opponent.

Also, try throwing down a metal blade, picking it up, and then using leaf shield. It's a great projectile mix up where you have access to both.

His pellets aren't bad like you guys keep saying. They put pressure out and let you get grabs going.

I really think you guys need to understand that you're probably playing him wrong.
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>>263271758
>THESE_ARENT_MY_GLASSES.JPG
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>>263271559

This is why custom moves need to be tournament viable (Which everyone is pushing for, so high hopes)

Mega Man's alts are really decent and change him up a lot
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I like everything about him except for his specials, which can be customized. Do we know any of his custom specials other than Beat and the Plant shield?
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>>263271916
Hold up very gently, not all the way.

I know this is a demo, but would it have been such a hassle having the options there? I can't stand tap-jumping.
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>>263271758
I didn't know that Pantheons were in the game
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>>263271940

Everything has tiers. Not much you can do about it. Just ignore it if you don't care, not really going to affect casual play either way
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>>263272016
If custom moves are banned from tournaments, I'll laugh.
Seriously, one of the BIGGEST parts of Smash 4 is customizable moves. If you don't want to use them, there are 3 Smash games without them.

This is a new game with new mechanics and rules. Custom moves are part of Smash 4 and banning them would be really retarded.
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>>263271916
Don't move the slide pad all the way up. Just a tiny bit in a smooth motion.

>>263271957
When you get out leaf shield it's pretty much telling the other person that all you can do is grab though. It's still doody because it clearly telegraphs your intentions. Using it with something like metal blade is your best bet but that's a lot of setup for the payoff. Not saying to not do it, just saying the utility is limited.

His buster is alright though. I think anyone calling MM a good character is in denial about what he has options wise.
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>>263271957
>Try using it together with a grab. Instant chunk of damage.

This is dumb. Leaf Shield shuts down all of your other options, meaning the only thing you really can do is grab. Which means is so fucking obvious and easy to avoid. At the same time Leaf Shield has a shit ton of start up frames making it easily punishable unless you're far away, and then it doesn't last very long so actually grabbing someone before it wears off isn't easy

It's a shitty tactic stop posting it
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>>263272136
Alright I'll give that a shot.
And yeah I agree. I understand wanting to limit the content in a demo, but options should at least be there.

On a more positive note, I'm really surprised at how well the game controls on the 3DS. I was expecting it to be a nightmare but I'm already used to it.
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>>263271957

It's also worth nothing that if properly utilized his uair wrecks shit.

All you have to do is predict properly.
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>>263271559
Another problem with the leaf shield is that you can't use any other specials while it's activated which is beyond retarded.

I also think the mega buster's range could be a bit longer.
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Holy shit, what's up with Link's down-aerial? He takes forever to land.
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>>263272219

Like I said, even the competitive community is heavily pushing it so there's a good chance they'll be used

The major deterrents right now are one, having setups at tournaments with them all unlocked, and determining if everyone setting up custom moves would take too long (Smash tournaments are already notorious for running past schedule)
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>>263272219
>>263272016
Here's the problem: right now it looks like they are tied into menus that actually take loading and shit. It's also difficult to immediately tell what your character has, and the menu is tied to equipment which will very much be banned. As a TO, from a logistical point of view these things are problematic. If they were very very quick to set on the CSS, it would be one thing. It's likely they could see banning due to how time consuming it would be to constantly set them up and check them throughout an entire event.
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>>263271318
Go to Group, put up a room, only use a CPU, choose your character, and you'll be in a training room indefinitely unless you hit L+R. It won't let you grab sandbag, but it's something.
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>>263272329
>>263272374

>I think anyong calling MM a good character is in denial

We'll see once the game is out. I remain convinced that you fags can't play him properly.

Pre-Brawl release everyone was saying Snake was god awful with shitty options and look what happened. Olimar too.
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>>263272596
helps you target since you can hit twice with it, it's a pretty decent move
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>>263272596
Welcome to Smash 4, where you are basically told which aerials to use by how many days of landing lag each has. The fact that it isn't even a reliable killmove anymore just makes it extremely limited in utility.
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>>263272624
There's still a whole other Wii U version coming, anon.
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I'm not having problems getting KOs as Mega Man. His bair wrecks and his fsmash is great on the edge.

What's with all these people trying to play Mega Man like he's Captain Falcon?
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>killing motherfuckers 30 seconds in with dair
seriously, dude's clutch as hell. You just have to play super differently.

>using running lemons to close distance and keep them in stun until you get close enough to throw
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>>263272624
If only Amiibos could store actual characters instead of just NPCs.
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>>263272739
>people were saying snake was horrible
No one with fucking eyeballs due to how good his tilts and usmash was. This was before people even know about 1 frame grenades.

Olimar wasn't seen as a great character at the start because the game hadn't become a total defensive run-away fest. MM just lacks proper utiltiy. You're absolutely right that something could be found that makes him a monster. Right now though, he definitely pales in comparison to other characters.

I mean on the flip side of your coin people figured out that Link and Ganon were shit in Brawl pretty quickly. They remained shit. Same thing with Falcon and Puff.
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>>263272624
im not expecting it to take any longer than it took to do custom controls in brawl, honestly.
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>>263273029

>I'm not having problems getting KOs as Mega Man. His bair wrecks and his fsmash is great on the edge.

That's not the issue. MM's problem is he seriously lacks utility and his specials are subpar. In the demo alone Link already doesn't everything MM does but better (aside from fsmash)
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>>263273029
You're playing against CPUs, anon. People can easily dodge a megabuster shot and should be sweetspotting anyways, not drifting back down for easy pickings. Just saying.

>>263273143
Would be nice but wouldn't help ultimately. No one wants to have the tablet around every station. Big theft/damage risk.

>>263272894
Yes and there's a chance they make it viable. I'm just going by what we currently know.
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>>263273460
>lacks utility
he's all utility
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>>263273542

And it's all shit. That's the problem
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>>263273517

I'm actually playing with a friend from my university's Smash community

We play Smash pretty competitively.

I really think you guys are just using him incorrectly. His mid-range game is unsurpassed. Don't let people get close and you'll do fine.
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>>263273376
Couple of things about this: You only have to set up custom movesets once, you could change your moves between every match. You're also adding the time of custom moveset ontop of what it takes people to setup custom controls. It looks like it does save to a tag, but you're going to want to check it to make sure it's correct, and then people have to police to make sure that no one uses the equipment. It's just not conducive to running a smooth tournament. Oh yeah, from the 3DS footage shown the custom moves have to load as you are in that menu. I guess to show the difference?

I hope in the WiiU one it's very easily accessed and takes no time. I just urge people to assume they are banned rather than pine away for something that may not happen because of how the menus are.
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>try to dair Mario
>he capes it
>die
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mega man's pellets stop other projectiles

Mario's fireball and pika's thunder jolt both have more start up than mm's pellets so you can exploit this
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>>263261043
>People think they can just rush in
To be fair, that strategy works for most Megaman enemies and bosses.
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mega man's dsmash hits opponents hanging on the ledge
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>>263273859
Well then remind your friend this thing called an airdodge exists and he shouldn't be getting pegged by a horizontal smash attack while recovering.
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>down tilt to tumble them
>as soon aa they fall they get shoryuken'd
>mfw using shoryuken to kill everyone

Probably one of his best moves. Quick on draw and strong
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bullshit to the guys saying villager can pocket the smash ball

I demand PROOF
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>>263274349

I don't charge it up all the way all the time.

You actually don't have to to get decent knockback and percent out. They can't always guess when its going to come out, especially at mid-range

You think you know your shit but I recommend you keep trying.
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Mega Man is cute.
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Anyone find any combos with any character? I've been practicing one with Villager.

The one I've been practicing is the running A where he drops the pot, then immediately do it again, then hit with the umbrella, then jump up to shoot the slingshot.
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his aerials are so cool, and his recovery is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhr54hVUGyc
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>>263274580
He can't pocket the smash ball. I know because I've tried.
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>>263270354
actually villager can pocket Link's final smash,so maybe he can do the same with megaman's
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>>263274774
I keep going for Mario's Up-Tilt, Up-air (xN), Back-air, but the Back-air whiffs in this game. Used to work in Melee. Guess I should go for N-air now.
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>>263274694
I appreciate that you don't think I'm some random scrub, but the idea is that plenty of characters can extend horizontal smashes over the edge. I can see how it would work if you lovetap someone out with like fair/bair and then use it, but general use seems no better than the people who use say, Samus' chargeshot in that situation.
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how do I do that uppercut with mega man
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The problem is that he's a pure projectile character with little smash potential, you need to use your aerial game and play off the stage to score KO's
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>>263261057
match ups is how we rate characters. some characters are not necessarily bad but are considered bad because in match ups they are bad. megaman may be bad because of match ups but thats not necessary to say he a poor designed character. for example
>ganon is bad and designed bad because he is a slow copycat character
>Ike is low tier but i would still consider a good character

if all that ^ made sense good
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>>263266372
>Tornado Hold
FUCK YES
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>>263275182
>little smash potential

KEK.
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>>263269956
WHERE YOU AT!?
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>>263275090
Up tilt

That means you barely push the stick up and press A
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>>263275182
no?
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>>263274719
GET EQUIPPED WITH RACCOON LEAF
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>>263275371
Ike is low tier because of frame advantage. He just doesn't have it quite as bad as Ganon and has more reach. If he had Ganon's jab he'd be nearly as bad.

Good characters that have it bad are ones like DK that suffer due to people literally running away from him or him getting CGed more than his moveset not being good.
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>>263274918
He can't pocket it. He can just dodge it because the pocket move has invincibility frames.
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>>263275848
god why is the pocket so op
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>>263276036

Because it's literally the only decent thing he has
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>>263276036
It's pretty funny. Try grabbing another villager's bowling ball and use it. Does 43% with HUUUGE knockback
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>>263275691
thanks
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>tfw using Megaman's Final Smash for the first time
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>tfw you know that Pokemon are going to get treated exactly the same next Japan Time and will probably get two newcomers or at least one
>Mother will get nothing
>Metroid will get nothing (although this is a tough subject
>Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus will get everything
>Wario will get no representation beyond WarioWare

I know that all of those series are small in the eyes of many but it's still a fucking shame and I know that everyone knows it

also sorry I wrote this for the Jigglypuff thread but it got archived
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>Save custom moves and control settings to Amiibo.
>Place on gamepad at tournament.
>Instantly have the optimum set of controls and custom moves for me at the tournament without having to dig through menus.

Do it Nintendo.
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>>263276307
Mah nigga, I've been exclusively using the protoman colors as well.
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>>263276340

I believe that's part of the idea.
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>>263276307
SUPER FIGHTING ROBOT has to be the funniest/best thing to have come out of all this, that announcer was fucking hilarious
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>>263274836
>That item that increases your score by one.
At least it isn't an instant gain since you have to charge it first.
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>>263276262
>>263276231
really wish it was a bit nerfed just a bit. At this point it's like g&w's bucket on steroids
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>>263276428
these are rush coil colors, friend.
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>>263276307
>Other megamen don't change according to your color
SHIT GAME
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>>263276340
>people leaving their gamepads near the setups
Ho ho ho
No.

>>263276231
Fair and bair are amazing. Ftilt is pretty dang good too.
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>>263276332

Pokemon will continue to get new reps as long as Pokemon continues to be successful, and it currently shows no signs of slowing down.

Mother will get nothing unless Itoi makes Mother 4/Nintendo releases Mother/Mother 3 in the West and they blow the fuck up

Metroid will get nothing, you're 100% right.

Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus will only get stuff if there are new games that justify it. Unless Uprising 2 comes out, Dark Pit will absolutely not be in Smash 5 unless every veteran to date is in Smash 5.

Wario will continue to be WarioWare unless a new Wario Land comes out and reorients him on platformers rather than minigame collections.

It's all based on what's moving, man.
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>>263276616
nah its not op, his other attacks take forever and a year to set up, plus projectiles can harm him during his set up he he's not quick enough not pocket.
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Best alt
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Villager is too fucking good.
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>>263276829
oh ok, that's pretty cool. I've unable to try the demo and most of the posts about villager regard him as being the most op motherfucker ever
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>>263276332
>DK gets nothing

It's one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, how did Sakurai fuck up this badly?
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>>263273270
When Brawl first came out, everyone was saying Snake and Olimar were shit, and that Wolf and Pit were god tier.

I knew from day one that the reverse was true, so you can trust my obviously far more credible opinion than everyone else's that Megaman is slightly above average tier.

Screencap this post and watch how right I am, because I was right from day one of Brawl and I will be right again.
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>>263277114
>custom robo gets nothing
nigga you got two reps already, be glad
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>>263277082
He isn't OP by any means, he has definite holes in his games and isn't the fastest motherfucker out there. He does have some very, very neat tricks though. If anything, when people say, "You just have to play MM different, he's good!" that statement fits villager better. Dash attack launches a projectile, fair and bair are constant zoning tools that you can mix lloyd in with, Villager has one of the best recoveries of all time, bowling ball is a smash attack that can fall down over the edge and is STRONG, etc.

The fact that you can follow someone to the bottom blastzone, slingshot them and then easily make it back says something.
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>>263276307
>other mega mans don't have the same color
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>>263277553
Don't they have togo through Konami for that? Also:

>tfw Konami will never make another Rocket Knight or Custom Robo game because they're too busy raping Yugioh's corpse and milking MGS
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>>263277565
both mega man and villager are different compared to the previous characters, that's why I love them.

hopefully they stay, even if they're unchanged in the next games
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>>263276657
Shhh, let me pretend my protoman alt is in the game.
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>tfw Mario counters mega man completely
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>>263278269

>Mario
>Not Link
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>>263278269
>Mario
>Not Villager
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>>263276814
You're right. It's just sucks for anyone who loves Nintendo games for all of the great things that they already have. I think FE bothers me the most because weren't they gonna pull the plug on it if Awakening didn't sell?

>>263277114
This is probably one of the biggest crimes being committed, though. DK's been around for fucking longer than almost everyone and has SO MUCH to work off of but gets nothing, and on top of that he has an entire series that's developed since Brawl. Still nothing. Still monkey bango bungo bongo final smash. I don't fucking understand
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Mega Man seriously has the potential to be good. You guys just need to keep practicing with him.
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i'm having no trouble 2 stocking lvl 9s with him
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>>263278452
>and has SO MUCH to work off

what the fuck does DK have to work off of. All of the characters are generic monkeys and they all jump and that's it
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>>263278337
Is Link still a D tier character?
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>>263278394
I can ruin villager with mega man though

>>263278337
link does some damage too, I'm glad they buffed him up
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>>263278539
>Mega Man seriously has the potential to be good.

Not really. He's already countered pretty hard in the demo alone.
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>>263278683
How about the fucking arcade game DONKEY KONG for starters, man
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I just did a combo that does 58% damage. I'm trying to find one that does more damage, but it's difficult with no training mode.

It's the down slide, Up A smash two times, then the uppercut, then the Up A smash again.
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>>263261686
>garage aerials
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>>263278683
Bait, but here I go:

K.Rool
Dixie
Cranky
Funky

Off the top of my head.
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>>263278995

That's not a combo, that's the AI being retarded.
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>>263269351
This.

Mega Man focuses on his projectiles. He needs as much distance from his opponent as possible. Hell, look at his Crash Bomb move. It's great when it lands, but if you make contact you can risk picking up the bomb.

The only time Mega Man should be near his enemies is for his Up moves.

I honestly think people not used to Smash will have an easier time adapting to Mega Man since they aren't used to the 'Smash Norms' that Mega Man kind of defies.

>>263278394
Villager is easy as shit to take down with mega Man if you know what you're doing and keep your distance.
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>>263278768
He's gotten buffed and doesn't suck now, he hits a lot harder and actually feels good to play as now

one of my favorite things that's been fixed in the game along with New Bowser
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>>263278768
People will tell you no, but yes.
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>>263278768
nah, that hylian shield is crazy

blocks all projectiles, period.
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>>263260860
You are better off playing a different character. He takes too much technical skill and even then he is basically an inferior link.
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>>263279157

I keep hearing this advice, but all of MM's projectiles are ass. The problem isn't keeping distance, it's that his distance game isn't particularly special
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>>263277114

It's also the franchise that for the longest time was worked on by filthy western devs, be they Rare or Retro.
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>>263279335

>Tech skill

Link takes far, far more tech skill than MM. Bomb and boomerang shenanigans are all over the place, with short hop zairs being one of his best options
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>>263279461
Which ones are you trying to use? Crash Bomb looks and seems like shit at first glance, but once you figure out how to use it properly it's one of his best projectile moves. His standard buster is good for edge guarding, and his charged shot is great if someone's trying to get too close

Metal Blade does suck though.
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>>263278881
there are two characters who can eat up projectiles in the demo, i think it's safe to say that they'd have an advantage over a projectile/zoning character in a human fight
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>>263278768
He's strong enough to be usable. I wouldn't call him high tier or dominant, but you can use him now without being laughed at like you would be in 64 or Brawl.
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>>263279737
I'm just saying Link is stronger, faster projectiles, actual melee game, and a better recovery (with hookshot), much better projectiles.

Megaman players are really better off playing Link. Also short hopping with Link is pretty easy.
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>>263279865
>Crash Bomb looks and seems like shit at first glance, but once you figure out how to use it properly it's one of his best projectile moves

Then how am I supposed to use them? They're like Link's bombs without any of the utility. His Leaf Shield is all but worthless too, and Metal Bales are so underwhelming

fsmash is the only thing I like about MM, everything else feels awful. I hate how his buster works. I was expecting it to feel like classic Mega Man but it doesn't at all
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>>263279865
>metal blade sucks

stops a lot of enemies from getting close, also goes through villagers tree. effective to put some % on him while he's trying not cut it down
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At least he didn't get figuratively raped, like Zelda.

Sakurai wanking over his waifu ruined Zelda.
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>>263280408
Zelda can kill niggas at 40% with her up-b now
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>>263280408
>mfw Zeldas fireballs are a kill move
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>>263279158
Is the Fierce Deity alt in the demo? Does he look fucking based in it?
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I'm not fond of his up-B. It's basically good for nothing but recovery. The Metal Blades on the other hand are fantastic for mindgames.
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>>263280667
Nope, not in the demo. Just Red Link, Blue Link and Gay Link.
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Does anyone know if you cna change the language in the JAP version?
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>>263280670
it's not even a good recovery move. it's like a shitty version of sonic's up-b
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>>263280667
Unfortunately no, it disappointed me. It's just standard Purple/Red/Green/Blue Tunic. Only character that got good alts was Villager
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>>263280670
>linear projectile
>good for mindgames
Huh?
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>>263281248
Not him/her, but it's just nice to put out as a hitbox to take up space.

Maybe he's talking about throwing it at the ground and using it as an item?
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>>263281248
you can throw it in different directions (you can even throw it while running away from your opponent) and you can pick it up as an item

the side-b is good for planting it on ledges so your opponent's recovery gets fucked

lead shield seems like shit
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>>263281248
tilt down after you use it and it sticks in the ground and can be used as a pick up projectile
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>>263281565

What's the point of using it as an item? It seems like throwing it works the same way as just using the move, except you can't throw it diagonally
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>>263281565
Where it remains linear. I'm not saying it's a bad move, it just isn't particularly tricky or anything.
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>>263281797
the guy you were talking too before did make it seem a bit too good, but it is better than a standard lemon blast

i'm hoping his customs offer more interesting/viable alternatives though
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>links beetle

how do I not die
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pacman seems way more interesting to use somehow.
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>>263282153

We already know his custom moves, and no not really.
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>>263281248
>linear projectile
>can be fired in eight directions to counter people ambushing you from all directions
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>>263282153

They do. All of his customs seem more interesting

>Arching grenades instead of metal blades
>Vertical explosives instead of crash bombs
>Recovery that shoots a tornado downwards and knocks opponents upwards for cool setups
>Skull shield that knocks things away
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>>263282339
Pacman is actually decent
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>>263282379

>Slowly and predictably, one at a time
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>>263282331

Jam everything.
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>>263260860
The moment I saw his gameplay I knew he was trash. He's Sonic tier, and to be fair people actually think Sonic plays well so to each his own.

I think Sakurai makes it a point to not have the 3rd party characters perform well right off the bat. You have to really go out of your way and get creative to make Snake and Sonic good.
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>>263282339
>7 different projectiles
>dropping fire hydrants on people
>waka waka

he's fun as fuck
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>>263282448

Also shadow blades, which work just like they do in MM3
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Mega Man is fine. You just need to keep a little distance.
Most people are used to have a nueutra A normal attack (his little bullets) that do some knowckback and he doesn't have that.
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>>263282615
>a poor craftsman blames his tools
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>>263282991
but mega man is pretty good, you just cantnuse him how you would a traditional smash character
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So glad my nigga is still good.
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>>263283089
>>263283428

Stop spouting this shit. Even playing him 'correctly' he still gets outpaced by Link in every category. He's just not that great, played correctly or not
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>>263283591
wrong, i just beat m2k with megaman. get gud
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>tfw Mario is actually good

Can't wait to play as the doc and give /v/ their daily dose
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>>263283591
but its true nerd, mega man is good.

deal with it
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>>263283513
didn't he get nerfed?
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>>263283591
It's great. You just have to controll what the fuck you are doing instead of slashing everywhere, wich seems to be the way you are playing with Link.
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You wanna get good with Mega Man, faggots?

Play a bunch of level 9 Villagers and Marios with no items.

Not a tourney fag, but this way you'll learn to start relying on Mega Man's moves and not items, and you'll have to learn to bait Mario and Villager into using their cape or pocket move before you land a charged shot, metal blade, or crash bomb.

Use the buster to push em off edges and then hard knuckle their ass down to the earth for an easy ko, works at even lower percentages if you do it just right.

I don't even gotta explain what to do with them fairs, uairs and bairs
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>>263284271
Thunderbolt got a little nerf.

That's about it.
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>>263283952
>no purple and green Doc colors

actually this is probably a good thing
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I've got four smash codes to give out. I'll give them to the people whose posts end in 30, 40, 50 and 60./
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>>263284474

Link, Toon Link, Lucario, and a bunch of people got Daily Dose colors strangely enough.

What a shame, Doctor Mario is gonna get upstaged at his own game.
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>>263284384

>Link Zones better
>Link has better aerials
>Link has better utility
>Link is faster
>Link is heavier
>Link has a natural anti zoning mechanic built into him

Bombs > Crash bombs
Arrows > Metal Blade
Boomerang >>>>>> Leaf Shield

Mega Man's zoning isn't really good for a character built around it. They're all slow moving, predictable projectiles that lack utility
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>>263284271
Up-smash won't kill anymore
D-throw is hard to follow
Thunderbolt is easier to punish on whiff
got some negligible QoL buffs on the side, like the T-bolt cloud doing a meteor smash

The physics favor him greatly though, so he's still strong and fun without being oppressive.
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>>263280539
Because they were fighting at a runoff stage, anything can kill you fast in those
>>263280619
Now you are just dreaming.
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>>263284412
buster is sweet. facing Mario and link are better ways to git gud though.
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>>263284707
rollin
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>>263284707
roll
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>>263284806
maybe you seriously suck at megaman
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>>263284707
Here we go
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>>263284707
pls gib fake code
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Why is Megaman so based?
I main him in the demo and still don't know.
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>>263284707
If I get it, give it to the next failed roll. I already have one
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>>263284806
>Link Zones better
In a game with this much dodge options who gives a fuck about zoning. Also he just shots projectiles in a straight line except the bombs wich are shit.

>Link has better aerials
The side aerial of Mega Man is pretty good.

>Link has a natural anti zoning mechanic built into him
Which one?

>Arrows > Metal Blade
>Boomerang >>>>>> Leaf Shield
You can't be serious on those
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>>263284707
rerollin
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>>263284707
rerolling
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>>263284707
No style, no grace
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>>263286050
He's not gonna deliver, is he?
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>>263285814

>Bombs
>Shit

Bombs open tons of combos and offer Link extra recovery options. Plus can be used in multiple arching trajectories while crash bombs travel in a straight line and do nothing if wiffed

>Which one?

Link's shield naturally shuts down everything Mega Man can throw at him. Block Metal Blades, both standard buster and fsmash, and even fucking Crash Bombs

>You can't be serious on those

Arrows come out faster, travel further and have KO potential. Boomerag has tons of mindgame setups (Bouncing it off the sides of stages to create weird trajectories as it returns), can KO on its own, and can be comboed into

Mega Man doesn't have shit
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>>263286447
Of course not
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>>263286656
yes, megaman has literally nothing to work with to fight link. Literally nothing
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Link and Mario are buffed as hell
Pikachu is Pikachu
Mega Man has a tough learning curve, but even once you get good at him he's still the weakest character in the demo
Villager is OP as fuck pls nerf
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This is my first Smash game, how do I git gud?
I don't even ave a faint idea what buttons do what exactly.
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>>263287094
Yes, that's correct.
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>>263287094

I didn't say that? Of course he has bair and fair, as well as some decent smashes. But his ranged game is completely shut down by link.

I'm just saying that link does everything Mega Man can but better. There's no 'special way' to play Mega Man that makes him suddenly S tier
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>>263266372

>Tornado Hold and Shadow Blade

10/10 I love it.
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>>263269089
Villager's fair and bair is the new wall of pain, projectile style. And with his insane recovery distance, you can wall of pain them with just two jumps pretty easily, probably go the distance to being in the off screen bubble, and then just fly back on the balloons.
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>>263275531
GET YO ASS WHOOPED
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>>263287303
A is for regular attacks. Smashing the stick in any direction when pushing A allows you to charge up a Smash Attack, which is the usual method for launching opponents. The B button moves are your special attacks, which change depending on which direction you are pressing when you push it. Up+B is the move you will usually use to get back to the stage when you get launched too far away. L is your grabs, R is your shield/dodge. X/Y is jump. Basically, you want to get the opponent's damage percentage as high as possible before doing a Smash Attack in hopes that they get launched so far that they can't return to the stage.
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The biggest hurdle for Mega Man players so far seems to be continuously trying to combo with pellets or firing a charged shot at the wrong time and getting punished for it.

Mega Man I've had the most fun with by far. I like Mario, Pikachu and Link but always have. Villager also surprised me how fun he was.

I agree that Link's bomb and arrows are a bit easier to land and fuck with people than metal blades and leaf shields, but I don't think it makes them terrible. I usually use leaf shield after sending one or more opponents away or feel like grabbing someone.
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>>263282991
snake is one of the most brain dead characters ever put in smash. he was wayyyyy too good for a long time in brawl, and even though he's fallen off, he's still top 5.
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>>263285361
>makes incredibly valid points

>durr hurr you suck
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Man, seeing this game on Scarflard's stream...

Looks like complete garbage. They keep avoiding each other and grabbing.
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>>263288765

Yeah I disagree that Link's better than Mega man but that guy has some points.

The only people I told to "GIT GUD FGT" were faggots who kept trying to combo with his standard a attack and do nothing else at all and then complain about it.
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>>263288765
but it sounds like you just like link over megaman. mega's specials arent bad, they just have different properties. It's ok to like links shit more, but you dont gotta be gay about it
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>>263288878
cause they suck
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--Super official Smash Bros. Demo tier list--

God tier:
Villager *items on*

High tier:
Mario, Pikachu

Mid tier:
Villager *Items off* MegaMan

Low tier:
Link
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>>263289745

Why's that bitch got no ass or hips?
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>>263289319
Other way around, really. It's because they're such tryhards and good at the game, that they play it at its highest level - avoiding everything and hitting once or twice here and there.
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>>263284707
Rerolling
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>>263287887
>>263275531
>>263269956
>>263268563
>>263262709
>>263262418
>>263262236
good meme, gyus :^)
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>>263284474
Doctor Mario does have a purple and green alt though.

The inside of his coat is purple and the outside is green. It's just a little hard to see at first.
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>>263290140
Hey, we got a winner
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>Mario tried to run game with his cape and got blasted by fully charged shot and ko'd at low percentages
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>>263260860
because people are shit at video games.

remember in the beginning of melee, Jiggs was shit tier and olimar in brawl was deemed shit tier until the most recent tier list.

its way too early to say anything
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>>263290328
Wait really? That's awesome.
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>>263284707
roll
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>>263261043
In melee my friend plays peach where all he does is run away and throws turnips at you, and if you get close he does his downsmash and K.O.'s you. I decided to play link and threw bombs, arrows, and boomerangs at him from a distance as well and we did that for about 15 minutes until one of us eventually won.
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>>263290515
Yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU5L4OuGBog

Around 13:10
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>>263290249
MY DICK HURTS
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>>263271957
wait, can you attack using while using leaf shield? Does it just restrict b moves?
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>>263284707
rolling
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>>263290364
>>263290140

Please let that anon be real
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>>263273270
People on /v/ are shit at fighting games, I never take their word as law
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>>263271758
>>263271872
>tfw Mario is top tier in this game
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>Giving a shit about tiers

You faggots will never learn.
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>>263269089
>mewtwo
>cant do damage
nigga you best be trippin
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>>263290417
what ever came out of that pic anyway
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>>263290991
Guess he wasn't.

Oh well
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>>263284707
nai7804@g.rit.edu

Rollin
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>>263284707
Roll
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>>263276307
>doing a free for all against 3 CPUs
>don't even notice that a smash ball spawned
>all of a sudden megaman uses his final smash on me
I wasn't even mad. It's even better with 3D on.

Also, when you have 3D on, those little leaves that float around close to the camera feel like something is actually in front of the 3DS. I keep thinking a bug is flying in front of me or something.
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>>263292465
Alright I've given up. See you later guys. Even if he has one it probably isn't a NA code.
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>mfw pushing people to the ceiling blast zone with megaman's uair

It's fucking hilarious. A shame that I won't be maining him.
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>>263284412
>hard knuckle villager
>he ballons back to safety
jesus
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>>263261043
CARLOS
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>>263284707
rolling
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>>263294312

KNUCKLE HIM AGAIN

DO IT HARD
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>>263293708
Or he's just waiting for the other two people. Sorry code anon
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>>263284412
>suggesting cpus as a way to git gud at all
>posts ways to beat cpus easily in the same post

There's a reason why people always say to play against other people you know.
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>>263284707
reroll lesgo
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>>263294649

It's the first step to learning how to use him. Didn't say it would let you shit all over tourneygoers.
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>>263284707
come on baby jesus i gotta smash before wooooork
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>>263284736
>Link, Toon Link, Lucario, and a bunch of people got Daily Dose colors strangely enough.
You do realize that Green and Purple are complentary colors, right?
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>yfw you KO someone off the edge because of the egg buster
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>>263284707
theres still a 30 and a 60 left, hope isnt dead yeeeet
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>>263261043

>he thinks he's any better

Let's tango, faggot.
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>>263284707
I believe in the heart of the cards
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>>263276307
Why didn't Mega Man looked like them? He seems like a midget, he should be lanky enough.
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>>263284707
reroll of purest love
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>>263265541
>a full blown reflection of his series.
Good one, 8/10, got me mad.
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>>263284707
60 for sure
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>>263284707
cool
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>>263260860
Link so far seems like the best character.
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>>263284707
rollin around at the speed of sound
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>>263284707
pls pls
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>>263297849
N O S P E E D A L L O W E D
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>>263284707

Please bro.
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>>263284707
>>263284707
rolling
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>>263284707
here we go baby here we go here we go
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>>263284707
Might be b8, but I'll be damned if I care. 30 or 60 roll
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>>263284707
reroll for glory...
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>>263284707
lessgo
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>>263287887

MY DICK HURTS
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>>263298758
IT WAS SO CLOSE, WHY
>>263284707
PLEASE
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>>263284707
Rolling like a bitch
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>>263284707
30 and 60 are stillll open, hope to god i get one
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>>263284707
SITG nmend was a shitty captcha anyways
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He's not what people are used to, his d-tilt moves, his f-tilt moves, and his nair is the same as his f-tilt. It's too early to tell how he's gonna be, he does seem to have a decent amount of mediocre moves though for a metagame where shielding and dodging is so important.
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>>263261043
>not enough people getting the joke
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Who else think that Link didn't get improved? Dash attack hits hard but it's slow as balls, not being able to kill with the first hit of forward smash sucks and his down air feels a lot weaker.
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>can't play Mega Man for shit
>can't figure out why
>play other characters and do fine
>realize I'm trying to play Mega Man like I'm playing an actual Mega Man game and not a Smash character, and it's not working
>start playing Mega Man like a Smash character
>it works

Maybe it was just me. Not being able to jump and shoot like I would in one of his games was throwing me right the fuck off. Once I started treating him like any other Smash character, it click with me and he plays fine now.

B moves are a tad weak, though.
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Megaman's smash attacks are really fucking fun

His specials are garbage.
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>>263300964
>jumping and shooting is not a legitimate strategy
Smahjs 4 runied intothetrashitgoes.ini
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>>263284707
being off by two is painful
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>Spend 5 hours getting code
>Little brother is a huge fan of smash
>Went nuts when I told him I got a code
>He begs to play it
>I give the code to him instead
Siblings come first, never forget that.
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>>263301212
git gud
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>>263301384

>Get code for myself
>Younger brother super excited to play it
>Let him play on my 3DS
>Talk to a friend about it
>They give me another code
>We've been playing multiplayer all morning
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Megaman is a great character for Fun with all items on Otherwise I wouldn't play megaman in the tournament since isn't viable to do anything.

Hes just a fan character Megaman NT would had been better
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>>263301176
It might be if you changed the controls to be more like a Mega Man game. But you can change the controls in the demo so the controls were throwing me off.
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>>263301570
My nigga
>Getting codes for all your siblings
>Having group battles and bonding over megaman, villager, Mario and pikachu
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>>263284707
gitting gud
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>>263284707
lets goooooooo
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>>263301687
>can't change the controls
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What are Mega Man's custom moves? No one's ever mentioned them.
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>>263284707
getting warmer
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>>263301782

I don't think the demo would last me long if I wasn't able to play with my bro. You can only beat up the same five level 9 npcs so many times.
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I don't think he's bad at all on a competitive level. I just think his moves are boring as fuck and incredibly underwhelming.
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>>263302047
they're in this very thread

ctrl+ f nigger
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I love smash megaman. He is literally perfect.
but it is true that he plays differently compared to every other smash character.
Its all in his jabs, tilts, and his side smash.
This is the first smash character that is a total zoning character honestly.

you have to play him like you are playing an actual megaman game. Keep your distance and shoot. His style is totally counter intuitive compared to other characters. Which in my opinion is what makes him so great.
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>>263261810
This. I liked Link and the Villager, but Megaman stomps Lv.9s
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>>263284707
come onnnn sixty
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Since all of us really haven't had too much time to work with MM, a lot of the complaints are probably just on the surface. For all we know, MM could be the best character if you develop tactics with him, but compared to the others in the demo, he's nowhere near as easy to play and his CPU is shit. Obviously, the reason many of us are having trouble picking him up is because MM suffers from the same effect as Arthur from MvC3. Mega Man plays too much like the character from his games. The villager has moves inspired from Animal Crossing, but some aspects of Mega Man's moveset makes you feel like you're playing an actual Mega Man game.

Another reason as to why he's seen as bad. So far, he seems to have pretty terrible match ups.

Villager can pocket everything he throws and throw it back for ~2x damage. Similarly, any character with a reflector, like Mario's cape, can deflect like 50% of MM's moves back at him.

Link can just stand still and block nearly all of Mega Man's attacks since his shield protects almost his entire body now. Plus, due to MM's bad close-up game so far, Link can easily wreck his shit.

Also, as many people have said in this topic, many of his moves can fuck him over. The gooey bomb he throws can come back and stick him. The leaf shield locks out many of his moves necessary for survival.
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>>263284472
>little
yeah no, its dog shit now.
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>>263284707
I should never gamble
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>>263303273
I agree
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Mega Man's A Smash moves are your friend.
Flame Sword, for example, knocks the shit out of people. But can only be used in air.
Forward A charges the Mega Buster. It's Faster than Samus, and packs more of a punch even at a lower charge.
His Up A is Spark Man's power, I've knocked the fuck out of a few people with it already.

I think it's just a matter of getting used to his moves.
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Megaman's Pellets aren't bad per-se, but it pales in comparison to Villager's 420blazeit slingshot.

That shit snipes and does really decent knockback. Only problem is that it can only be used in air, but even that isn't a huge problem.
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>>263305154

The range is worse, but I honestly like the pellets. They stop weak projectiles which is really nice. I tend to use them to approach though, since it covers decent space and even though the hitstun is low, it can lead to a grab if they're on the ground.
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>>263284707

rollin
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