There's been a lot of drama on /v/ these past few weeks. Let's talk about how to move on post-GamerGate.
What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
I actually already do. It doesn't feel right playing the types of male protagonists most games have, like Assassin's Creed or whatever. The only one that I was OK with these last few years was Batman. But seriously, that's Batman.
But then that should be expected from an industry that targets straight teenagers. The games with female protagonists aren't any better.
Nobody is against more female characters or protagonists in video games, as long as they make sense in the setting they are portrayed in. Shoehorning in random characters of any type is obnoxious when they just don't fit.
this holy shit.
I'd lvoe to se more women in games, but not when its too the point of putting them in a galss case saying WOW LOOK AT THIS SHINY WOMAN YOU GET TO PLAY, ARENT YOU GLAD ITS NOT A WHITE MAN?
I dont fucking care, i just wanna PLAY THE GAME
Nobody dislikes that, they dislike it being forced for no reason other than to pander, thereby distracting from a game's contents. Everyone's fine with female protagonists, they just don't like black/latino/middle eastern/indian/filipino transgender characters being forced in just to be there as a token representation. That's more bigoted than anything else.
>as long as they're hot, there's no problem
>NOT SEXIST, THOUGH :^)
This is the problem with /v/. "Female protagonist" translates into "slutty eye candy" here. That's why you get so many people claiming to be for female protagonists here.
Nothing? I'd accept a super special snowflake unicorn princess protagonist if it made sense and the game's good, and most of us probably have our list of favorite protagonists that happen to have women who are strong too.
>Shoehorning in random characters of any type is obnoxious when they just don't fit.
So what would you say about a Call of Duty game starring a female soldier? Would that be obnoxious?
Why is the new generation of humans so retarded
>hurr muh polygon has gender
Cant you faggots just fuck off already? I hope that video games will collapse soon together with the current retarded muh feelings society.
That's bullshit, and you know it. It's 2014. There's tons of women in the military.
This is what I mean by /v/ only accepting female protagonists conditionally. "Oh, playable women is fine, as long as they stick to games like Cooking Mama!"
I don't give a fuck. I really don't. Metroid was done well. You didn't know you were a female, and frankly you might not have given a shit when it was revealed that it was that way.
Why would I play as a woman if she is not a hot bimbo slut to look at? Why should I play a normal bitch as a male? I'm not some fucking transvestite nor do I wish to be a girl.
There are plently of games that let you choose your gender.
Fuck off. That was never the point of their agenda and you know it. They don't want "more games with female roles in them." There are plenty of those, plenty more to come.
No, what they want is to never see a game again which doesn't pander to their tastes, and that is bullshit.
So what happened with games that either let you play as a female protagonist or a male one, and both would have different branching paths? That always seemed like the best option to me.
Also did people just forget that metroid's been a beloved franchise for years and everyone hated the sexist undertones in Other M?
>the girls of fatal frame
fucking thank you. no body brings these girls up, and i fucking love them
>scared shitless, a normal response for ANYONE in the situation of killer fucking ghosts in a town/mansion/island/whatever you cannot leave
>get shit done anyway
Not a good game in itself, but Tales of Xillia did that fairly well.
No women serve in special ops. Also most women in the military have overseas/desk jobs, because the logistics of putting women on the front line is too troublesome (for a wide array of reasons).
I would help if the queen of /v/ continued to influence their design. A woman's voice is necessary to know how to
>GamerGate now makes people think it's okay to post about SOCIAL PROBLEMATIC ISSUES on here
is it seriously either "MISOGYNISTS!" or "let's discuss women in video games"?
Fuck off you fucking cunts
I don't even give a fuck about girls in games, most of the games I play star either girls or robots or animals or something. I just fucking hate having to hear people complain about "NOT ENOUGH GRILLS IN GAYMES" "WHY ARENT YOU INCLUSIVE ENOUGH YOU CISHET WHITE BOY SCUM". Like, holy shit NOBODY is stopping your stupid ass from playing a fucking video game.
Just kill yourselves off the internet and save everyone the time it takes to read your buttpained whining, because you don't even know what you want
I want more female protagonists in games.
I just don't want feminism issues and political views to be forced into my vidya just because the devs are afraid of the SJW wrath
Silent Hill 3 was good. Protagonist was attractive but by no means a sex symbol, to the game's benefit.
But it's not a game where you tap pieces of fruit and the masses don't play it so as far as SJWs who have no genuine interest in video games are concerned, it doesn't exist.
No, everyone hated it, even /v/. It was during a time when feminist shit in the media wasnt quite as rampant, so /v/ didn't shit itself whenever they talked about girl female characters.
It was less about MUH FEMINISM and more about the fact that they made a previously decent character into a whiny, melodramatic pushover that literally only followed orders because her husbando was giving her permission, and not because she's a hardcore bounty hunter like she's been for years.
And the funny thing? the so called SJW's now? Back then they were calling US sexist because "you just hate it when a girl in games have feelings!"
Which is a thing SJWs don't understand. What we WANT are human characters and once that's satisfied we could care less what they identify as, while they have it on backwards and want to make us care only about 'underrepresented' characters, never mind that we've already had those.
**** SJWs basically.
Legitimate question here: Are there any female protagonists you like as much as any of your favorite male protagonists? Or are you listing a bunch of female protagonists you've heard of but generally don't really care for? I mean let's be honest, Chell is as much of a boring block of wood as Gordon freeman and it seems disingenuous to call her a good female character.
I already do accept female protagonists in games. My favourite game ever is Metroid Prime. People need to stop looking for SJW brownie points and just make cool characters, female or otherwise. It really shows when attempts to pander are made, and the narrative usually suffers as a result.
She's not much of a character, but she's a step in the right direction. And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
I won't let you shift the focus of this discussion. Consider yourself filtered.
Calm down, kid. Get some cream on that salty wound.
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
But... she wasnt. She was never controversial, at most people went "oh, the player character's a girl? that's cool I guess" and just played the fucking game. What kind of a shitty history revisionist are you?
>implying one of my favorite characters wasn't designed by a woman
I'm sure /v/ doesn't give a shit if the game they're playing involves playing as a girl.
The real question is...
would you be okay with a game where you play as an ugly girl
>She's not much of a character, but she's a step in the right direction.
It would've been really shitty if she was anything else. The point of Chell/Gordan being silent and whatnot is that they serve as a vehicle for the story, and you can transplant your own responses onto them.
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
She wasn't. At all. Don't make shit up, it's generally frowned upon in debates.
It would take games that provide a setting in which a female protagonist makes sense that is still fun to play.
The thing is, in most cases a female protagonist will feel forced or unnatural simply because most video games require protagonists with attributes that are considered to be more typical for males than for females, such as logical thinking, physical strength, experience in battle, leadership abilities and strategical foresight.
Now a typical protagonist doesn't only need to have one or more than these qualities, he also has to excel in at least of these areas in order to be "special" enough to be worthy of being the middle of the story the game is trying to tell.
Of course there are women who are just as good as many men in these areas, but they're vastly outnumbered by men, so having a female protagonists with these qualities will always feel somewhat "forced" and shoehorned, unless they have enough well-written backstory to make up for it and expand on their character.
When you think of typical qualities of a female, what will usually come to mind are things like emotional intelligence, social manipulation or maternal care. Of course there can be games in which these qualities can be useful, but the possibilites for are rather limited compared to males.
There are ways to circumvent all of this, however, such as establishing a fantasy world in which men and women are more similar to each other, as many JRPGs (and japanese games in general) in which men and women alike have superhuman powers do.
I liked Heather Mason in SH3, Yume Nikki has a great female protag, a lot of JRPGs had interesting female characters until JRPGs took a huge fucking nose dive the middle of the 00s.
It could be interesting to see a gender-fluid protagonist who explores their non-traditional sexuality in a genre that is conducive to that sort of storytelling (an RPG or an Adventure game would make the most sense). Let the player experience the ensuing awkwardness and confusion for themselves, rather than getting on a soapbox and preaching to them. It could be a very enlightening experience.
Funny how feminists never even glanced at this game despite the art director being a woman and the game starring a woman. They talk and talk and talk about how hard it is for girls to be in the vidya industry and how nobody ever makes games with female protags, but when they DO show up, they don't even support it.
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
Chell wasn't controversial at all. People just noticed she was a girl and went "Huh, I didn't know she was a girl" and that's it. They were surprised and didn't even think further about it, let alone discussed it.
Virginia Maxwell (Wild Arms 3)
Gwendolyn, Velvet, Mercedes (Odin Sphere)
Cecilia Adelhyde (Wild Arms)
Chris Lightfellow (Suikoden 3)
Lucia (Lunar: Eternal Blue)
Mio Amakura (Fatal Frame II)
Aurora (Child of Light)
Rorolina Frixell (Atelier Rorona, haven't played most of the others though)
FeMC (Persona 3 Portable)
Maya Amano (Persona 2 IS and EP)
All female protagonists I enjoy as they're believable and have flaws just like my favorite male protagonists.
Everyone on /v/ is already fine with female protags.
Holy motherfuck. Off the top of my head we got Okami, Metroid, Bayonetta, and half the cast of Dragon's Crown are women, and those are pretty well received here.
And we're just talking playable god damned characters. The most central figure to the entire MGS mythos is a woman, and that is easily one of this board's favorite games.
I've fucking dealt with the kind of asshat that thinks women are underrepresented in vidya. Specifically, my friend's gf was pissed that Link wasn't a girl. I pointed out that Zelda always does the 'save the princess' story because its target audience is children; Nintendo isn't going to pull a trite twist on it because children don't care. Then she went on a fucking rampage and said, I shit you not, 'I relate to Samus, the spacefaring cold blooded bounty hunter who gets into completely unrelatable scenarios, because she is a girl.'
Then when her bf came in to white knight, I actually did list off a fuckhuge list of female playable characters and said "If you want more games with female protags, maybe play these. If they sell well, we will get more games like them." He shrugged every single one off with excuses like "Oh, Amaterasu's a wolf, that doesn't count. Bayonetta's a parody of fetishes, so she doesn't count." He actually said this. Ammy doesn't count as a girl because she's a wolf apparently.
People complaining about a lack of women in video games either hate men in video games, don't play more than a few game series, or are white knights.
And if by a miracle some dev reads this, listen up: nobody fucking cares what gender your protagonist is. Do what you want with your character, just don't let the game be a soapbox about gender or whatever. All you have to do is make a fun video game.
NO, WE ARE NOT.
FUCK OFF AND CZECH YOUR PRIVILEGE, YOU MALE PIG
>pic related is my face mfw haters hate on female protagoonsitists
I'm seriously convinced that people like OP are either literally mental or just extremely beta. Just because it's a female doesn't mean it's automatically a better game.
I think the only gripe I have with female characters in vidya is that I wish more of them had more interesting designs. I usually gravitate towards male characters if given the choice simply because they usually have cooler designs than the girls
Normal female characters are there for normal females to play because they identify with them. Just like you identify with normal male characters. In short, it's not for you but the way these kinds of discussions tend to be framed is "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN CHARACTERS PUT MORE OF THEM IN YOUR GAMES YOU SHOULD WANT THAT" without pointing out the reasons behind a desire to do so.
Well I hate to tell you, anon, but if you want female protags these days you can be sure there's going to be a fuckton of views, shoehorning and pandering. Like with Ellie in TLoU. Was her sexuality relevant at all in the game? Fuck no. What did they do in the DLC? They made her gay. There's nothing wrong with that but what was the point of it? It was never a relevant thing about her character. It was shoehorned as fuck.
Bayonetta's fun for a lot of the same reasons as Dante.
The female characters in Sengoku Basara are also pretty enjoyable.
There are a number of horror games where you play as a girl, which actually adds a layer in the game's favor. If you see that a character you like is frail, you're more likely to be scared for her and want to protect her. I've been playing Witch's House, and I've been pretty nervous in every new room because I don't want my loli to get hurt.
And she's not exactly a protagonist, but The Boss is pretty cool too. It's no surprise that many MGS fans want a Cobra Unit game.
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
With this line, you're implying that people are rejecting female protagonists in videogames.
Do you have any examples of this happening?
I don't know of any cases in which developers planned to make a female protag, and people gave negative criticism merely about the character's gender.
It's true that there are far fewer female protags than male, but as far as I can see, that's just because game devs choose male more often. I don't see any evidence of people outright preventing it.
I like Autumn and her chubby sister from Sanctum 2. The only bit of personality you get from either of them is their callouts and the dialogue on the loading screens. That said, they both have some awesome passives.
The truth of the matter when it comes to female protags it isn't the audience not wanting to play them. It's Paul Marketing that sees the proposal to make the main character a female and goes up to the writer and says "Yeahhhh....The thing is our demo is young males...." And then pushes the writer or designer to change the protagonist from a female orc to a human male.
Then he comes back and asks to change the setting to a sci-fi one.
Then he comes back and wonders why there isn't any multiplayer.
Oh can it be first person?
And accounts suggests there needs to be some dlc in the works. Got any content that we can skim off?
Orange and blue cover bald grizzled space marine with the initials JC stands staring out of the box with a grim expression. Gun in the right hand orange in the left.
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
Correct, I can't pretend something that's reality.
I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. I was more active on /v/ around Portal 1 and 2's release than I am now, and saw literally no controversy about her.
Can you provide evidence of a significant amount of such a response?
As a normal male, I don't like to play as normal male characters in games. The fact that so many developers think that I want to play as a dull as dishwater everyman is kind of insulting. I like to play as interesting and extraordinary characters, ones with strong personalities and flaws all their own, regardless of their gender, race, or social class.
HOLY SHIT /V/ HOLY FUCKING SHIT. this picture, this picture right here, made me realize that some of my favorite games have female protagonists in them. its like a light bulb
turning on in my head. now ive been following gamergate for a while, pretty much since its inception, and ive watched the anita sarsleezian videos, and ive always thought it
was a bunch of horse shit from femanazis trying to destroy the only thing in this world that brings me joy. its just so fucked up, because i never realized the protagonists
in my favorite games were girls
, they were well written and had good charecter, but holy fuck just happened to be female. just to rattle a few off, parasite eve resident evil silent hill 3
tomb raider, have fucking GIRL protagonists in them. ALL THIS FEMINIST WHINING IS COMPLETE HORSESHIT AND I NEVER REALIZED JUST HOW BAD IT WAS UNTIL THIS VERY MOMENT. i just
dont know anymore,
it never occurred to me that they were GIRLS. i mean i knew they were female, but i never had a negative opinion because of that, because they were good charecters. /rantoff
Nobody complains about Ripley in the movie aliens, the movie kicked ass. Samus is a good parallel. No one was upset, it improved the experience because the game play and basic story are great.
We don't mind females, we mind an agenda driven mindset demanding things and shouting down anyone in opposition.
Because we're talking about women in vidya, and why SJWs are wrong about their lack of representation.
Cobra Unit game when?
My top 3 vidya protags are female. Yunica Tovah, Samus, Heather Mason.
Irrelevant anyway. It is true that there are fewer female protags. The issue at hand is that nobody is preventing more female protags from being made. If you wanna see more females in vidya, make vidya with females in them. We're not going to stop you.
Please tell me that's a bait image 'cause holy shit that rubs me the wrong way.
I've watched her videos and while she brings up some decent points about sexism in media in general (though really, it's more about stereotyping than malicious sexism), when you actually watch her videos, you realize: None of these criticisms have anything to do with videogames specifically. The exact same could be said of movies, comics, whatever.
She's irrelevant to videogames.
Basically when he asked to be on board to oversee the xenomorph stuff since he considered it his baby, James Cameron told him to fuck off.
He makes some good movies but James Cameron is kind of a tremendous cunt when you dig a little.
She also bangs on about victimisation a lot. And, ironically, grill gamers I know have called her out on this.
What a prick. Well, I'm sure there was a reason Bigelow divorced him.
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
Most people on here don't even care.
As long as the game is good I don't care how my main character looks as long as he/she/it is at least somewhat appealing and fitting.
How would i know if that's relevant to the image or not?
I really feel like no one gave a shit if the MC was female till it was made an issue. There are so many good games with female leads that get ignored. It's like these people didn't start paying attention to video games until the year 2007.
What are you even babbling about? Nobody gives a fuck what the protagonist is as long as it fits the narrative of the story. We have played as pigs (hogs of war) and worms (worms,lol).
So many games nowadays give you the option to create a character anyway, so your question is equivalent to asking a fish when will they learn to embrace water. The day when I play a game from start to finish and see nothing but men is the day your question earns any validity.
Absolutely nothing OP.
Us gamers will never accept female protagonists in video games because we're all chauvinistic misogynerds who are all completely hostile to the idea of females even so much as appearing in video games at all. I can personally testify that whenever I see a woman in a video game I start dry heaving as a reflex. Women are the scum of the earth and they should all be eradicated or turned into sex slaves, and everyone who plays video games thinks exactly like I do because we're all irrational, illogical, backwards sexists.
I guess you just have to assume. Why else would it be there? What else could he have been referring to?
MOAR of this.
I would pre-order a Nyotengu spinoff game and I bet 80% of /v/ also would
A few reasons. Most prominently: she calls things sexist that aren't.
There's nothing "sexist" about looking at titties.
There's nothing "sexist" about male protagonists.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to save a damsel.
There's nothing wrong with pandering to a male audience rather than a female audience.
She points out inequalities, and she's right. Yeah, there are way more male protags than female. Yeah, the damsel in distress trope is used a lot. These things aren't sexist, they just...are. If people wanna put in more non-sexualised females, that's great, I personally love that. But it isn't "sexist" not to.
I can't respect someone who throws around accusations of something serious like sexism without a good foundation.
2nd reason is she essentially committed fraud with her Kickstarter. She brought people in claiming to be a big gamer who loves games. There is indisputable video evidence of her not long before her KS went live, blatantly stating that she does not like video games. She outright lied to get money from people.
Those are the only issues I have with her. But they're pretty big issues.
Nobody fucking cares if you put girls in games, there were always girls in games.. Video games is a free market, there is nothing wrong with doing what you put in your games.
The problem with Social Justice is that it's tokenism, and cultralist marxist crap. They bitching about a market that gears towards boy means it's sexist.
My favourite female protag is the Guardian from Guardian Legend
Okay, OP here. I have one last question: What about equality in H-games? If female protagonists are a universally good thing, then why not make H-games where you play as a female fucking men?
Would that make you uncomfortable?
I don't think I have ever given a shit about the gender of a protagonist. Neither side of this GG nonsense is doing anything that will change that.
It's really pretty easy to identify agendas in games and ignore them. The problem comes when you do that and the game/character has nothing to stand on without it. You want me to accept a female protagonist? Make a good protagonist who happens to be female, don't make a female first and try shoehorn her into being good later.
Technically that exists, but technically the female is getting raped, but technically it isn't rape because 90% of the time you can break free effortlessly, and they're usually getting off to it anyway.
No. Actually, a lot of H-games are like that.
Also, female protagonists aren't a universally good thing, they're a universally neutral thing. There is no moral content to making a fictional character a certain gender, or assigning them any characteristic for that matter.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Have you ever been mistaken for a man?
Thank you. I could not have asked for a better quote to wrap this up.
It's been a fantastic thread. Let's do this again some time, okay?
I super agree.
yeah, being gay, i don't want to be tokenized and say HEY LOOK YOU'RE PLAYING AS A FAGGOT.
I just want to be. i mean my sexuality is the most boring part of me. and i think it is the same story here for gender.
Remember Jade from Beyond good and Evil?
Remember Lighting? (sure we complained but it was about the game itself and how her personality was flatter than cardboard)
Remember Chel from portal and Madotsuki from Yume Nikki? compare with how people treated the protag of Gone Home as someone above and better even though the whole game was about her small problems against the family's big problems?
Remember Samus? remember Other M Samus?
Remember Ellie from the last of us? Compare with Elen page Power hour?
That's okay, these threads are archived. People will always be able to see the full context.
are easily viewable, as is your post admitting to cherry-picking. In fact, I think I'll make a little collage myself of all of the well-reasoned posts. I have a lot more material to work with than you do, and they aren't obvious trolls.
The only people you're going to "fool" with your collage is people whose minds are made up to begin with.
Good luck :^)
>That's okay, these threads are archived. People will always be able to see the full context.
People rarely actually look at archived threads for context though, especially non-4channers (who this image is for of course) and especially when it's easier to just assume the image is correct.
But whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better.
Like I said,
>The only people you're going to "fool" with your collage is people whose minds are made up to begin with.
Yeah, you're right, morons aren't going to look at the full context, but why should we care what they think? The only thing to worry about is OP deceiving reasonable people, and that won't happen if there's evidence.
people forgot about Medal of Honor: Underground?
Listen to the loon, listen to the pain
Listen to the one they call the Violent J, Insane
Watch me as I duck and I dash through the night
I can see the shadows of the moon in my butcher knife
oh no, it will happen, that's why the whole mess exists in the first place... but more and more people are getting wise to it.
when you draw lines in the sand and are always on the defensive, you always get shit flinging. but that's less and less.
And Call of Duty: Finest Hour.
To be honest, there's a few things I dont want to play as. I play games as fucking escapist fantasies, for fun, for experiences I cant get in real life. For FUN.
I dont want to play as a broken down, elderly person.
I dont want to play as an invalid. I just dont see how I could have fun playing as a cripple or some wheelchair bound dude. I'd feel bad half the time,and I'm here for fun.
I dont really want to play a character whose sexuality or sex is the defining theme or feature of the story or character. I just cant give a damn about the life and times of some oppressed minority and their sexuality. I'm playing a VIDEOGAME, for FUN. Remember Philadelphia, the 1993 drama film? Can you imagine playing that?
As long as we remember that videogames are about fun experiences and interesting gameplay, I'm good. Let's have less random Mist-like games like Gone Home, though
I have better things to do.
really? god dammit when will you cancer ridden idiots take your politics and fuck off? you are no better than the SJWs i dont care about politics i just want to play games leave politics to politicians
i understand what you're going for but...
spec ops: The line.
the bad ending of fatal frame 2
Games have gone beyond "fun" as happy go lukcy cartoony for some time now. Who knows? you might just have fun in the most unexpected places.
What's an acceptable number?
I mean, I dont know what they want. SJW's HAVE their STRONG female characters. There's TONS of them.
Even in AAA games, like Tomb Raider. Is that it? More female main character in AAA games?
Because most AAA games nowadays are either big RPGs which have female leads, big SPORTS games which cant have them (No Females in NBA,NFL, ladies), and Call of Duty type games....well....I kinda agree with devs there.
There were no women on D-Day at normandy. To have a female randomly there, just...it's lying.
imagine a game where you have to, in extraordinary circumstances protect your children and may ultimately sacrifice yourself in the end.
sure it could be done badly, but if done well, i think it could really be a hit game as well as hitting us in the feels.
I had fun with all of those, bro.
Walking Dead excited me and it's engrossing.
Yume Nikki was spooky and cool.
Spec Ops the line , I had fun experiencing the horror of war and the complexity of War.
Silent Hill, Horror games...
For me, Horror is fun. I have tons of horror movies, from Romero, to ect. Fear is exciting and fun!
It's like that"OH SHIT" feeling from a good scare, or that "Oh, fuck, oh fuck" from a good sense of horror and dread from a good scary existential horror...
It's fun. It's all fun.
Well, a good video game for a start.
I don't give two shits what the protagonist of a video game is, as long as the game itself is fun and well crafted. The only exception to this rule is when a developer deliberately shoves a [insert whatever SJWs/whoever are bitching about at any given time] in a game just for the sake of it, or to appear "progressive". It's just as pandering as it is to have a bunch of cheesecake in your games, or waifu baiting the neckbeards. If you want to make your protag a girl, great. Whatever man, if the game is good I'll play it. But the second, the very SECOND, I hear one of you fucks start touting it like it's some big deal, or talking about how you wanted the female audience... I'm going to call you on your bullshit. And so are many others.
Sadly I think a lot of devs are doing just that today, because we seem to be getting to a point where we can't make anything without someone getting fanny flustered about one thing or another. So we have to pander to their needs. Really this applies to any medium, not just video games, but I do think video games are getting pounded in the ass way harder than any other medium right now. Which is very disheartening, to say the least.
Well the reason why they don't mention those game is because they
don't actually play video games.
i want ANYONE who is slinging politics all over games to fuck off you are like a cancer that needs scooped out of gaming you and the SJWs should both move to an island where you can argue all you want without bothering anyone else
>well its fucking failing miserably
Good job outing yourself. Discrediting and turning many SJW into paranoid wrecks isn't a failure. Stop pretending your a /v/ user who only cares about video games. You aren't.
Virginia was a good character. The game doesn't start out with her saying, "HI IM A GIRL, PROTECT ME." It started with her going, "WHERE THE FUCK IS DAD!? Bye mom, I'm going to look for dad!"
It's the same with Chris Lightfellow. The council only regards her as a girl, but to her comrades she's their leader. She has some mental breakdowns, but her team reminds her that she's the captain, and not a girl. Also, "WHERE THE FUCK IS DAD!?"
Then again, the player has the choice whether or not to make her the star of the game next to the emotional ride with Hugo or sir badass Geddoe.
What part of "shut the fuck up" and "learn to use spelling" did you miss?
>i want ANYONE who is slinging politics all over games to fuck off you are like a cancer that needs scooped out of gaming you and the SJWs
Gamergate isn't even politics. So you wrote all of that for nothing.
i am a /v/ user who only cares about video games you people need to fucking go away just let games be games they dont need to be seen as art and they dont need defended no one but you retards care
What would it take? Make the fucking game not about the protagonists gender. If the main character HAPPENS to be a woman, that's not a problem. It's when you try to jam pseudopolitical bullshit into the game, like fighting a white guy in a suit carrying dollar sign bags named Cis Patriarchington, that's when you've gone too goddamn far.
If I play devil's advocate, it's because it's a blank slate character and the game is built arround that as such. and it's not walking in someone elses' shoes.
Actually if you take that argument further has there ever had a Game (lets say RPG) where the ROLE Playing was a really big part in the experience?
Also, the movement is pretty popular, it gave internetaristocrat his greatest increase in subscription. That's not good news for "progressives"
I don't know what an acceptable number would be, but the numbers from 2012 are:
>They looked at a sample of 669 action games, shooters, and RPGs, all taken from the seventh-generation console cycle (that’s Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii — in other words, everything in the last seven years). Less than 300 games in their sample had the option of a female lead. As for female only leads…a whopping 24.
I don't know how reliable the the numbers are, but the there is a disparity between the genders and that makes anyone saying "I wish there were more strong female characters" not so wrong for asking it. Not so right either, but at the very least their concern isn't instantly invalidated with the existence of strong female characters.. The statement and the response in the comic still doesn't work.
>GET OVER YOURSELF NERDS NO ONE'S GOING TO TAKE YOUR VIDEO GAMES AWAY FROM YOU
>BUT THEY NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SUIT US YOU NEED TO REALIZE YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES PLAYING GAMES ANYMORE
Honestly I thought Virginia was annoying at first, not because she was a girl but because she was excessively perky considering how dangerous going out in the wild was.
Then many hours later I saw the whole point of her character beyond being a girl and why only she deserves to be the protagonist in WA 3, and that was a beautiful moment.
Chris was already respectable from the start to me, but she and many of the other female Suikoden characters are amazing at showing how good writing makes the best out of characters instead of harping on traits that aren't important.
> it's a blank slate character.
From the perspective of the game itself and everyone else. You are supposed to build the character in the game and your mind.
And role playing is a really big part of the experience in most rpg games.
>i am a /v/ user who only cares about video games you people need to fucking go away just let games be games they dont need to be seen as art and they dont need defended no one but you retards care
Not my fault your feelings get hurt. Thats the only reason you care this, you get uncomfortable and your feelings get hurt. Politics and video games always intermix, and once again, gamergate isn't politics.
Yeah, great idea. Why don't you say that to the SJW in the media who are responsible for pushing this shit in the first place, go and say that. Because as long as they are here, this won't leave. You won't though, because you are coward. Go and hide those threads if you get uncomfortable, but this won't leave.
>tfw Japan, arguably one of the more 'misogynistic' countries, can write female characters better than any of the SJW dickholes from the US and Canada
It's a nice feeling, and I'm not even that weeb-y.
I mean real characters like Tom Sawyer, someone clearly defined and separate. They tell better stories, though the immersion experienced with created characters could make for a better game.
>tfw when idiotic feminist were celebrating that a female mathematician won a award.
The funny thing is that she is from Iran where traditional gender roles are far far stronger then in the west.
Its funny how these things always happen in the traditionalist countries, not in the "progressive" countries.
>Let's talk about how to move on post-GamerGate.
Nah. Honestly they're on to a good deal of progress. Good try though.
Not really. fuck off shill.
What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
Give me some cash so I can buy some of the dozens of games out there with female protags already.
Japan games master race, just don't buy what you don't like and choose from so many titles that are good!
Honestly, that probably explains why I dislike Western titles. Shoehorned agendas are bad, always.
Holy shit this, Im at the point where "Strong Female Character" being used to sell me a game is a serious red flag.
I had no problem with Bayonetta, I had no issue with skull girls, Iv never held any game in contempt for having female party members, Iv played the fuck out of Metroid, I main fucking Brood Mother in DotA because fuck you, playing sorceress in Dragons Crown is the tightest shit
next to dwarf of course, I didnt reset my game when my starter pokemon was female or in Xcom when my Heavy turned out to be the black chick, the list goes fucking on.
But this OMG LOOKIT A STONK GRILL, SO PROGRESSIVE WOW! bullshit needs to stop
>Are there any female protagonists you like as much as any of your favorite male protagonists?
Of course due to your dick sucking faggotry you're going to accuse me of liking the character only for the T&A. Also I don't actually have favorite male protagonists.
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
Good games with female protagonists.
Oh wait, those already exist. One of them is one of my favorite games of all time, largely in part DUE to the protagonist.
However, I'll never accept garbage like Beyond: Two Souls, TLOU, Gone Home, etc., mainly because they're fucking garbage with uninteresting, bland, and outright shitty characters that don't interest me at all and gameplay that's mediocre at best if it exists at all.
Now stop pretending you're some god of the industry because you praise any turd the indie scene shits out just because the protagonist has a vagina and maybe start supporting the actually GOOD games with female protagonists that get ignored because the press is too busy circlejerking with their indie friends.
If I made a top 10 favorite characters of all time the top two would be females who are protagonists of their games.
It depends on the game really. Chell is as uninteresting as Gordon Freeman because Valve doesn't like having actual characters as the protagonists of their games.
I like female characters, hell when given the opportunity I often create one, however I like WELL WRITTEN characters more. Playing as a female that is simply written poorly is as bad as playing as a male that is written poorly. It sucks
24/669 characters being female is still low. I'm not even waving these numbers around like they're that solid or meaningful, I'm just putting it out there that a better comic would have her saying "There are no strong female characters!" and then have the list told to her by the other males who represent the male majority of the demographic.
And then she says, "There are no GOOD strong female characters!"
>fun as fuck to play as
>max STYLE 24/7
>actually gets shown in a lot of roles in her story and gets a nice bit of development
>her game as hype as all fuck
What is honestly not to love?
Why would anyone want to stop gamergate? What does that have to do with female protagonists in games? Why try to end people finally wanting to call out shitty game business practice? Why do you want the shills to win?
I don't care one way or another. No really fuck off with trying to make me choose when it comes down to if the character is shit or not.
my waifu takes no shit and Im going to main the fuck out of her in Hyrule Wariors
You're missing the point.
the majority of people who complain about this shit have not played games with strong female characters. They play AAA shooters, Skyrim, and League of Legends and bitch about all games as if they know them.
I'd like them to be well written.
I'd like the same thing for male characters, too.
Honestly, I don't give a fuck. A character is defined and works (or doesn't work) in the context of the story s/he interacts in. Male, female, otherkin- I really don't give a fuck as long as the character has any personality beyond that.
Don't ever speak of this again anon. This could be the bombshell hobby/art revolution.
Fucking stupid idea you fucking asshole. Fouck twat and drink beer, sports man whats up with you asshole?
well it is target audience. not that it's a justification but if you take Hidden Object games they have predominantly Female Characters as leads.
some of them even playing on themes that we barely touch.
women who play games may very well be concentrated to facebook or phones/tablets for playing games.
Hell, it's hard for women in the gaming industry to talk to other women about a job in the gaming industry. Someone said that when they talk with men about it it's really open, but with women they seem to want to shy away.
it's a strange world.
>they play the games that most people play and which have the highest influence by far and complain about them
>not the less-popular titles with much less mass influence
Sounds reasonable enough.
>they only play popular shit that appeals to the masses
>not the more quality niche titles that appeal to them
>instead they just bitch and try to change games that are not made for them
Then again, this is tumblr we're talking about.
But even after you educate these specific retards, they can still say "I wish there were more." Maybe if she was painted to look like a specifically newfag girl gamer saying "There are so few strong female characters!" the comic would work better.
>Now stop pretending you're some god of the industry because you praise any turd the indie scene shits out just because the protagonist has a vagina and maybe start supporting the actually GOOD games with female protagonists that get ignored because the press is too busy circlejerking with their indie friends.
THIS! It's not even failing to see the forest for the trees. It's people turning their back to the forest to talk about how good they are for watering their plant.
juzst make some fukken games for god sake!
don't act like retards or degenerates!
nobodys bitching about the male lead in Avatar or the Fact Guy in Cather in the Rye was a guy....just act normal not like lunatics!
Too late, Anon; I actually got spoiled the night I started. I understand there's a second ending that hasn't been spoiled though, so I'll try and get that. It's still fun; I'm gonna look into other similar games.
They're trying to change the games that actually have an influence on people and culture.
The smaller, less popular games might have more strong female protagonists, but those don't get nearly as much popular attention, so they don't offset the influence of the big games at all.
These people are complaining about mainstream gaming.
I don't see the problem or hypocrisy you all seem to see.
Heather Mason is top notch
Bayonetta opened up one of my fav genres for me
How would a relationship between her and Dante look like? Honestly I imagine her having the upper hand
I've just started Beyond Good and Evil and it keeps crashing, but the protag seems nice as well
aw shit, I mainly play survival horror. Doesn't make this any easier.
Which means, coming up with protags that are memorable- except Heather of course.
Still not a fair thing to say, even if it were true. A cry for more female characters is a cry for options. I don't think they want to spend a decade of their lives playing every Barbie and Disney Princess game.
Not that anon but it's fundamentally wrong. It's like trying to fish in the most shallow end of a lake and complaining there's no fish. Of course you're not going to find fish, you're not even looking.
>They're trying to change the games that actually have an influence on people and culture.
On people and culture that doesn't involve them. They're trying to shoehorn their way into other people's business. That's just being nosy and douchbaggy.
>The smaller, less popular games might have more strong female protagonists, but those don't get nearly as much popular attention
partly because the journalist media is too busy reporting on the same 3 shitty indie games over and over and writing articles bitching about the lack of strong female characters rather than doing research and looking for games with strong female characters and bringing attention to them.
> so they don't offset the influence of the big games at all.
Nothing is going to offset the influence of big games. Just like nothing will offset the influence of big movies, of shitty bestseller novels, etc.
>These people are complaining about mainstream gaming.
And they're not going to change it. They would serve the world better to try and get word out about the less mainstream games that are actually good, rather than fellate the same 3 games and complain that there aren't any 60 trillion dollar games that have female protagonists, even though there are tons of games with female protagonists that shit all over the massive budget AAA garbage.
>I don't see the problem or hypocrisy you all seem to see.
>ignoring games with female protagonists and never reporting on them because they're not popular
>while complaining that games with female protagonists are not popular
Yes I don't see the hypocrisy at all you are right this makes perfect sense
>A cry for more female characters is a cry for options.
That's nice but you could provide examples of games you'd like.
But they don't, because they don't play games. They just bitch about them.
If so many people really cared so much about strong female protagonists in their games, Trails in the Sky wouldn't have flopped. But it did, because the people who complain about this shit don't care about strong female protagonists, they just want to whine.
>On people and culture that doesn't involve them.
If these video games are being played by people I have to interact with in my every day life, then whether I'm a part of "gamer" culture or not makes no difference. A mysoginistic video game culture contributes to a mysoginistic society.
i think you completely missed the point
the lesson to be learned was not to accept female characters. we already do. we accept any characters that are well written, have character development, and most importantly, are fun
the lesson to be learned here was to fucking stop going to game journalism sites that use your clicks to prop up social justice bloggers
not only to stop it, but to educate others about stopping it
to bring the new generation of gamers on to our side, the side of playing games for the sake of playing, before they even have a chance to be exposed to shills hiding in the shadows of our hobby
>actually giving a shit about "gamer gate"
Believe it or not most people don't even know about or even care about gamergate whatever bullshit band wagon a few members of a very vocal minority have been droning on about for the past month or so.
To most of us these threads get hidden and we go about our normal lives playing vidya and shitposting on v and not giving a fuck.
So to ask us how to move on past this pointless soap-boxing is nonsense because for the most part nobody gives a shit.
tldr: No one cares, nothing has changed.
It's the same reason that SJW don't make their own comics and insist that every major comic have proper representation: because they know that if they tried to create new media pushing their agenda then they'd fail because nobody, including most of the demographics they'd hope to reach, would be interested in reading it.
Nobody wants to read a comic because the hero is black/isn't white. At least I'd hope so unless their race has a(n in)direct influence on the story in some way.
>How would a relationship between her and Dante look like? Honestly I imagine her having the upper hand
They'd play off of each other in trying to out-crazy one another, and just have fun being stylish. If you mean sexually, it'd probably destroy several buildings and may or may not involve angel/demon murder.
I'd want Ryu Hayabusa thrown into the mix, though. He'd make a good foil.
You realize that females in games isn't even remotely a new thing, rite?
Resident Evil, Metroid, Tomb Raider, Street Fighter (any and or all fighting games, really). The list goes on. Female MCs in games are as old as games themselves...
Get a life, fuck off back to le reddit and stop being an SJW fuckwad.
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
what in the fuck?
>If these video games are being played by people I have to interact with in my every day life
Who is forcing you to interact with these people?
>A mysoginistic video game culture contributes to a mysoginistic society.
Not wanting to play as a girl doesn't make someone misogynist. Some people just cannot get immersed into a game if the character they play as isn't similar enough to them. If you try to force your agenda down their throat, they will just stop buying games. Therefore, the AAA industry will continue their trend, because they rely on massive sales.
The real issue is that games have gotten so big they have to sell ten trillion copies to break even, so big AAA games can't afford to pander to anyone but the largest audience, which is male.
Also, playing as a game where you're a buff dude shooting aliens/terrorists/Russians doesn't make you misogynist, just boring.
I'm making with two friends of mine a action cRPG. We've been working on it for a while, and we've been practicing for a while with unity, maya,zbrush, ect. We're past the practice stage, and past the pre-production.
We've created a pretty deep and complex story,(all of us are grognard /tg/ neckbeard DM's for years) but we also decided to have the main lead be a man. We've decided to not include a female main character.
The reasons are many, but ultimately, we decided to believe in the strength of the narrative our main writer created, and that we shouldnt just add a female lead for no reason and fuck with his vision.I'm the coder, the other guy is the engineer, but he's the modeler, and one heck of an artist.
Should we change course?I want honest answers, if possible.
>I don't honestly mean that, I'm just illustrating a point.
No, you're not.
If people cared about games that supported female protagonists as much as you claim, then why did a game with one of the best female protagonists in the industry flop completely?
The answer is because these people don't even care enough about their supposed "issue" to even do 20 minutes of research about games with good female protagonists and support those games.
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
Can the defense provide evidence to back up this claim?
>Who is forcing you to interact with these people?
Going outside of your house, having a job, going to school, dealing with literally anything in real life, you interact with people all the time.
>Some people just cannot get immersed into a game if the character they play as isn't similar enough to them.
So what are girls like that who want to play big title games supposed to do?
Code it into the game to be a variable. Then you can sell it later
Would somebody please do me the favor to list the post numbers of the people that were blatantly misquoted and put of out context?
I have photoshop open anyway, might just do a collage myself with the full posts.
>Going outside of your house, having a job, going to school, dealing with literally anything in real life, you interact with people all the time.
Yes, and? I interact with tons of people in my life - hell, I work with several normalfags - and yet I don't run into this problem at all. The worst it gets is them occasionally wanting to talk about Cowadooty or Halo.
You act like you're assaulted by hundreds of men slapping you in the face with your cock the moment you set foot out your door.
Here's a hint: if you're as antagonist in real life as you are online, that's probably why you're being met with hostility.
>So what are girls like that who want to play big title games supposed to do?
Who cares about the game's budget? Are you really so shallow that the thing you look for in a game is flashy presentation?
If that's the case, here's your answer: go watch a movie.
Because goodness forbid the reason for less female characters in games be because women are either less interested or just don't care enough to buy the games that feature them.
Wasn't him. That's what I get for jumping in without reading.
But seriously, at the very least, the people complaining about video games, throughout its short history, from your parents to Roger Ebert to Anita, seem to display very little, if not outright wrong, knowledge of them.
In most hobbies, pastimes, cultures, etc. these people are viciously driven off.
Jill of the Jungle is probably one of my favorite protagonists. She has a killer bod, functioning brain, and heart of gold. Not only does she rescue the prince, she marries him afterwards.
How many male protagonists actually marry the people they rescue? Most just run off the next adventure.
I didn't know about this game. Maybe it was a lack of marketing. Maybe because it only got 79 on metacritic (all the SJW reviewers in the world couldn't save it). Maybe because it's a JRPG in 2014. Maybe there are more factors at play and the fact that you're zeroing in on the lack of female sony weebs buying a game shows that you have a theory at best.
>I didn't know about this game. Maybe it was a lack of marketing. Maybe because it only got 79 on metacritic (all the SJW reviewers in the world couldn't save it). Maybe because it's a JRPG in 2014
Maybe because the audience that claims to care about these games does not in fact care about this game, or they would have seen it on the countless lists of "games with strong female protagonists" out there.
>Maybe there are more factors at play and the fact that you're zeroing in on the lack of female sony weebs buying a game shows that you have a theory at best.
The factor is that these people don't want to do research. They just want big AAA games to cater to them because they're upset that other people like something they don't.
If they really cared about these games, the game would have done better.
This isn't an isolated case either. Games with female protagonists often don't sell, or they get mostly ignored, because they're niche. If something's niche, the complainers don't care, because it doesn't help push their agenda.
That's what these people ultimately care about.
They don't want good games. They don't even play games. If they did, they would support the games they claim to want. They just want to push a fucking agenda.
>They don't want good games. They don't even play games. If they did, they would support the games they claim to want. They just want to push a fucking agenda.
You don't want good games. You don't even play games. If you did, you wouldn't be posting online about the theoretical consumer habits of people who wish there was more of a certain type of character. You just want to push your fucking agenda.
When they're a character based on their own unique characteristics and personality beyond "FUCK MEN"
One reason I'm not sure why everyone has a hateboner for TLOU here, it's one of the few examples there actually is today.
Hey mods, its my birthday, could you put this faggot a huge, bold (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
I would like less people to care about them.
Go ahead, include them all you won't, as long as they're not misandrist man haters.
You can take samus (excluding other m) for example of how to make a good female character.
RPGs also do this well
lel epic rebuttal bro
You certainly showed me, obviously buying dozens of copies of good games to gift to people means I don't care about good games at all
Maybe I should go get a job at Kotaku and write about how much I hate the masses for buying games that appeal to them rather than buying games that appeal to an audience that doesn't buy them, that would show my devotion to the hobby
I'm not against good female characters in games.
The only issue is that most of the games people like Anita praise for having "good female characters" are shit like ME or Portal which just have generic self-insert characters who happen to be female, rather than games with actually good characters.
Hell, the majority of my top 9 vidya characters are female. But whatever, I guess I'm a misogynist because I thought Gone Home was shit.
It was never denied in gaming to begin with. Gamers only care if the game is fun or not.
Nobody gives a shit about most protagonists anyway, as they are just player avatars with very little personality.
Sekien no Inganock
The girl in the top right felt like a last minute addition. She doesn't do much other than pester the MC. She's annoying for the most part and only becomes relevant towards the end, which also feels kind of forced.
On the plus side, oh my god are every single side character is amazing. The moleman, the royalty siblings, birdman David, the setting it portrayed was beautiful that you just didn't want it to end the way it did.
Fortunately, there was an extra web series which made her a stronger character. Plus, Ruaha had nice development too.
Top left: Shikkoku no Sharnoth
This girl is somewhat annoying too. She gets pushed around a lot and just deals with, until eventually she learns to accept it. I had a hard time reading this, but I pulled through because I was more interested in the Male character that's putting her up to all of this.
Sherlock Holmes makes an appearance too.
even made it prettier in case your mock-up is actually going to be used anywhere anytime.
Nicely done and thank you.
What's the most effective way to keep an eye out for OP's shitty version turning up on Twitter etc? How quickly do Google Images and TinEye start giving results on a new image?
I realize I'm overthinking this, but I'm still hoping this was a board regular just trying to prove a point.
I would, but I KNOW that people from outside of here don't understand the archives, how to read threads, or anything about it for that matter.
Two of my roommates think 4chan is the bee's knees and super hardcore and cool but they've never fucking been here more than 10min because they can't wrap their heads around the layout.
>The girl in the top right felt like a last minute addition.
Gii would be dead without Ati and the story would never have taken place.
>he doesn't do much other than pester the MC.
She pesters him because if she didn't, he would starve and freeze to death.
>She's annoying for the most part and only becomes relevant towards the end, which also feels kind of forced.
It's slowly built up throughout the novel. They've spent nearly ten years together and are heavily reliant on each other. A romance between them isn't very forced, hell, everyone teases them about it constantly (well, teases Ati, Gii is completely unfazed by that stuff) and Kia is insistent in calling Ati "Gii's wife."
>She gets pushed around a lot and just deals with, until eventually she learns to accept it
What? Did you even play the same game?
She follows M's orders because she made a deal with him. She entered a contract and she has the integrity to follow through with it, even though she doesn't like that he leaves her in the dark and refuses to respond and in spite of the fact that she fears and loathes him she still has the strength to not only stand up to him, but to go around him and figure shit out for herself, like why M acts like he does, why everyone else regards him so highly when he treats her like garbage, hell, she even fucking grabs him by the collar and forces him to tell her more about what's going on, and doesn't let up even when he physically threatens her.
The whole point of her character is that she's just some random college girl studying archaeology and writing a children's story, yet she has a more unshakable will than anyone around her, to the point where she's able to convince an outer god to change his ways.
Hell, she journeys all the way to the edge of Kadath just to see him again and ends up "saving" him from a massive army that just tried to murder her.
>he hoards dust collectors that play childis/dudebro/weeb teenagerware
Not exactly protecting children, but in Reach you die to save the planet.
Pic fucking related.
That music playing in this whole section of the game...
Yeah but for that you'd probably have to include a screencap of their post with their terrible excuse of summing up /v/ to create some context.
The only that would have come to my mind for finding that pic would have been reverse image search, but I have no idea about how twitter works or anything.
I am a non-SJW male and I would be absolutely thrilled about more games from a female perspective (I mean not to oogle, plenty options already).
But of course the game would have to fit. And if it's a post-apocalyptic shooter, I expect the gender of the female hero to play a rather large role. In a present day urban scenario, less so, but this opens other options. (For example a female Catherine would be interesting)
(Apparently even this is considered sexist by some feminists)
That's the joke
The main canon protag of KotOR II. The Exile is a complete fucking badass.
Of course you can have women in military specfor roles.
>Templar Assassin from Dota 2
>Jill from Resident Evil
>Squigly and Painwheel from Skullgirls
>Amaterasu from Okami
>Morrigan from DA:O (fuck Inquisition)
Whether or not I have any female characters that I like as much as males never occurs to me until I actually list them. It turns out I do, and I think of them pretty regularly.
When will these fucking retards get it through their thick skulls that it's not "gamers" who are "sexist", it's just that the industry is crammed full of shitty, uncreative writers who have little business trying to craft a good character?
>I have opinions.jpg
>I have autism.bmp
You obviously haven't been playing the same game, nor were you reading the Dengeki exclusives. It's like you're picking apart single instances to try and protect your fair maiden as an outsider. She didn't want the contract, but it was the only way. She didn't want to do it, so she was pushed to do what she did.
Is this too much for you, or are you going to go crying on vndb for textbook answers?
Both of them were bad characters, it doesn't matter what they did to help the major character. You can remove Ati altogether and have the denizens help Gii and open his eyes like he does them.
Moran would have made a better MC than what Mary was. Contract my ass.
It seems the gamergate threads have sprung a pretty big leak today
Playing too much Call of Duty might lead someone to an erroneous understanding of what combat is actually like in the same way watching too much Tom and Jerry might lead someone to an erroneous undestanding of what animal violence is like.
No ones going to deny that media including video games has the power to influence people, culture, and to communicate certain ideals. Many would argue that's part of what defines art itself. But criticising games solely based on a social ideology or identiy politics that doesn't align with yours makes for very, very weak criticism. It's one thing if you're complaining about a game's writing and characters for being hamfisted, inconsistent and otherwise poorly thought out, but artists/game developers have no moral obligation to only make games you deem to br politically correct, especially when you have such a warped view on what constitues a "strong female character" to begin with (pic related)
Anita and her supporters complaints are based off compleate misrepresentations of mainstream games by, say, showing the player brutalizing a random female NPC character in a game where the same can be done to male NPCs, or when the game specificially DISCOURAGES or outright PENALIZES you for attacking those NPCs. At best it's intellectually dishonest.
>whether I'm a part of "gamer" culture or not makes no difference. A mysoginistic video game culture contributes to a mysoginistic society.
Outside of fighitng against supposed "gamers" who are actually attacking and harrassing women, you don't have a right to force a culture that you're not a part of and have no stake in to conform to your own ideology.
The problem isn't that video game culture is mysoginistic, it's that you're using /v/ and video games to settle your own conscience.
>I'm totally not against female protagonists!
>No I would not except a female protagonist in COD because even though virtually everything about the game is extremely unrealistic anyway, I draw the line on gender representations not being 100% accurate
If you seriously think like this, you are in fact being sexist. You can't argue about "artistic integrity" requiring men only in a series like fucking COD, so there's literally no reason why there couldn't be a female character that acts pretty much the same as the male soldiers. Opposing it purely on the basis of it being "unrealistic" in a series with soldiers running around killing entire armies of people over the course of 24 hours and 360 quickscoping is bullshit and you know it. If you wanted a realistic COD it would consist of desk work, eventless patrols and if you're lucky the occasional slow-paced firefight.
>She didn't want the contract
And yet she made it anyway. She did it because she wanted to save her friend.
And then when the contract was over, and she had no obligation to continue, she did it anyway. She continued, and she stopped Sharnoth from enveloping the world, and she pulled M from his black throne. Moran couldn't do that. She explicitly says that. Similarly, Mary couldn't have done any of that without Moran. They're both important characters, and they're both good characters. Just because you have some beef with her because you liked Moran more, doesn't make her some shitty character all of a sudden.
Anita could not have actually said that.
She did not just imply that we view men and women different WHOLLY because of society.
Then again this IS the same woman who stated that Men's greater physical baseline is a social construct and that Hitman Absolution invited and convinced you to "Maim and debase female sexuality for the satisfaction of the player" or something like that.
>you need to identify with the character
>you need the character to be EMPOWERING
everything wrong with how these SJWs and "progressives" view storytelling. Because they see everything as a platform for an agenda rather than a true art-form despite how much they use "art" as a crutch to support their delusional views.
>games are art
>but only when they agree with our agenda
>otherwise they are "harmful"
>now excuse us while we "advance" gaming
>Have character like Bayonetta
>SJWs will claim she is objectified and sexist because she is designed by men and one or two women
>SJW whore dresses up like a 2 bit slut that is literally asking for it
>STOP OBJECTIFYING AND OPPRESSING ME
You can't win with these people. They are sociopaths who don't want to except they are ever wrong because this PC generation has raised them to believe they special and flawless.
"So, /V/, you admit you're mysoginists who hate women. What do you have to say in your defense?"
"/V/, your silence will only incriminate you further.."
"No, /V/, don't take your anger out on me! Get back! Get back! /V/... /V/! NOOOO!"
>Note: Dramatization may not have happened.
>Video Games cause sexism/violence!
They have to be cute anime girls
also, don't you dare make zelda a girl
Make them interesting characters that I can empathize with. Plenty of TV shows, movies, and books do this all the time.
Gender is only tertiary to being an interesting person.
Nope, she actually said that.
These are subs taken straight from one or two episodes ago on youtube, I think it was the one about Ms Pacman, I lost track and stopped watching her nonsense.
How come Feminists never mention Valkyrie Profile?
>women in the military
TIP TOP KEK M8
I don't usually like protagonists that much. I usually find that there are better-written NPCs in many games.
So I like games with voiceless protagonists.
Not to say that I don't think a protag can be his/her own well-written independent character, I just usually don't see that.
IMO on average villains are the best written characters, so I like those.
original glados is my favorite "female" character.
shame how portal 2 dumbed her down. then again everything in that game was dumbed down.
This 100%. The vast, vast majority of female "gamers" have only played games from the PS3/360 generation on. That's fine and all and it's great more girls are starting to get into my hobby. But the problem is the really outspoken girl "gamers" who think they know shit about games and are experts because they've played CoD and Halo. It would be like if someone claimed to be a huge movie buff but has never seen anything before 2006 and whose favorite movies are Transformers and Inception.
I haven't seen a single one of her videos, I don't know what her voice sounds like, I don't even know how to pronounce or spell her name. But thinking of her, one thought that's brought to my mind is the way male is treated as the default gender. This is a clear bias, but the problem is people treating this like a vicious attack on womenkind when at worst it's an oversight.
As far as I'm concerned, most characters have no gender or sex, because it's never emphasized or even established in most cases. Mario isn't male, because he hasn't been given male parts. The closest he is to being a 'man' is consistently being referred to as 'he'. And straight only goes as far as Peach's established gender/sex, which falls victim to the same ambiguity. People are literally judging based on appearance.
If vidya characters were confirmed to be amorphous blobs, it wouldn't phase me. The idea of representation in general is absurd to me because it has no effect on the game itself, and no one is being represented anyway. I've certainly never felt represented, and that's great.
More realistic, respectful portrayals - which is exactly what the West is great at.
The point of the article posted was that you can't hold men and women to the same standard, no matter how unfair you think it might be.
Blame nature and evolution for our sexual dimorphism as a species.
what you are is a "reformist", someone who thinks they can "fix" whatever board they're on by constantly shitposting.
there have always been people like that on 4chan, they have never succeeded at doing anything but being useless garbage.
>the way male is treated as a default sex
By male writers. Did you know that female writers treat FEMALE as the default sex? I know, crazy, it's almost as if writers are human and work from experience.
>As far as I'm concerned, most characters have no gender or sex
>Mario isn't male, because he hasn't been given male parts
Fuck these SJWs. These are the same people that will lambast a male author writing a female protagonist, because males cannot understand the female psyche. Then they complain about video games not having enough female protagonists?
Here is what it boils down to: in the literature industry, there are numerous female authors, just as much, if not more, than male. This means that women who need to identify or "relate" with a protagonist (because they are plebs, as are men that need to identify with a protagonist) are able to do so because there is an abundance of novels or short stories written with female leads. But in the video game industry, the developers are largely male, because frankly, programming and game mechanics are a male-driven occupation--which is not to say there is any reason for women not to pursue them, other than their own reasons. Women are now upset because they are coming into gaming culture, which used to be male dominated, as any rational person will agree, and discover there is a slight disproportion of male-female protagonists. The issue therein is that males are going to be more comfortable creating male protagonists because they will be better written than female ones. But women demanding that female protagonists be written aren't demanding this from female devs, but devs in general.
TL;DR: A man is more comfortable writing a male protagonist; a woman more comfortable writing a female. If women want more female protagonists in games, then they need to advocate for more women to be making games, not criticizing people for NOT adhering to their agenda. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS IN ALL MEDIUMS.
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
Have it not be the crutch of the game.
Have the story not revolve around the female.
HAVE NOT THE ENTIRE GAME EXIST SOLEY FOR A WOMAN TO BE IN A VIDEO GAME.
Every other answer is stupid and wrong. You are stupid and wrong.
Have fun being stupid and wrong your entire life.
In context, my headcanon is that Zelda has the magical power to change her sex. In practice, it's a fucking video game character.
No, I'm not that person. I never post in Zelda threads, much less make them. In fact, I haven't started a thread in years, and I can't even remember what it was for.
Probably about Brett Favre.
They exist, brah. Otome games catering to women are a pretty decent-sized market in Japan.
Such a game probably would make me uncomfortable if I were to play it - obviously, because it's catering to a sexuality that's not my own. But I certainly don't have a problem with that kind of thing existing. If people want to make them and other people want to buy them then I say go nuts, it wouldn't appeal to me personally but I don't have a problem with that because I accept I'm not the target market.
Oh, and female protagonists aren't "a universally good thing". Having a female protagonist isn't inherently good or bad. A well-written and contextually-appropriate character is good, and vice-versa. That's all there is to it, gender doesn't even come into it.
don't change it, you're right, it would fuck with the original story/vision. if you want to include a female character give her a separate campaign as later content or something. you probably don't have the resources, manpower, or experience to create the kind of game that could handle a branching campaign with female or male lead. not knocking you just saying it's a major undertaking and even huge devs fail at it. even if you did, it would require tearing apart the original story.
I thought headcanon was for ambiguous or unexplained things. when there is constant proof otherwise it can't be a headcanon
Am I wrong about the definition of headcanon?
>you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time
Because you sell men products by either playing up a power fantasy or calling them sexually impotent. Anita's videos basically boil down to "Hey, shitlord, do you know why women don't like you? Here's why. Do you want to fix that? Share this video with everyone you know." or "Share this video for sex maybe sometime."
(As an amazing bonus, her cherry picked examples also serve to reinforce with women the terrible stereotypes of video games, meaning women will stay away and the marketing remains unchanged. It's hilariously devious.)
Nothing, Nobody has a problem with it. This whole "misogyny" in gaming bullshit is just buzzwords and propaganda. It's the equivalant to the whole "if you dont support the mass genocide of palestinians you must be antisemetic and support hitler" bullshit.
No one in gaming hates women. We just dont all put them on a fucking pedastal, and we do hold them accountable for their actions even if they have a vagina
>My headcanon is that Fox Mcloud is a cat and Falco Lombardi is an Elephant. Donkey Kong is named Kong doesn't mean he's a Gorrilla you haven't seen his Gorrilla parts and it's never emphasized or even established. They're just fictional video game characters people are literally judging based on appearance so it doesn't matter
Are you still trying to argue that Shiek has a cock?
Holy shit that;s been stated as being wrong so many times by so many people. What would it take to convince you, would Miyamoto himself have to come out as say "Shiek is a girl with a vagina and XX chromosomes" for you to be sated? What does it matter anyways?
Less actually, because it's just asspulled on the spot. It pretty much confirms that Zelda has no canon, or if there is, that whatever they say definitely isn't it.
It's what I believe. It's what I'd make official if I wrote it. I'm not saying it's true. But nobody could convince me that anything in Zelda is true.
>It's what I believe. It's what I'd make official if I wrote it
Then you'd be retarded since Shiek is literally Zelda in a disguise in OOT, not even regarding any expanded material.