Why do some of you get so upset when others say they DON'T want this to be the final roster? Is there really something bad with wanting more than this?
Sure, overall it looks like a decent roster with quite a few great choices, but the fact that some of you choose to get actively upset that this MIGHT not be the full thing, is kinda worrying.
I want this to not be the final roster because that screen rustles my OCD in so many ways.
>unused gray space at the bottom
>shulk with 3rd parties
>clones not with their franchises
>yoshi splitting the mario reps and not switching places with Bowser Jr so he can be with Wario and the brat with his father
Brawl's final screen was a nice rectangle with everything in order. Hoping for this to be the same.
We've no clue. That's pretty much why there's so many shitposting arguments going on. Some people just want to have all of the leaks do the thinking for them. So when they saw this roster leak, they just assumed it was the full thing. Otherwise, they would have to fill in the gaps themselves, and we can't have people thinking for themselves now can we?
Miis are in, it's just that they become the Random button when customisations are on
There was that one guy who said it was Ridley / Dixie / Impa / Mach Rider / Mewtwo but turned out to be full of shit.
Looks awesome, can't wait for the next game.
So I've felt a shift towards a shared belief that Ridely will actually be a playable character. The ones saying he won't be just seem to be haters who wanna see others suffer. I have no interest in Nintendo and won't be buying this game but I think its pretty cool that Ridley will be playable.
It's a good roster. My only complaints are Ice Climbers and, to a much lesser extent, Mewtwo. I feel like both of them would be in if it weren't for the shitty 3DS version.
My problem with people who don't like the final roster are pretty much >>261084168 this guy. It's all delusional Ridley fags or Roolfags who still think their character is going to be in / should be in even though it was remarkably clear from the outset that these characters would 1. never be considered and 2. wouldn't make good additions. No one talks about the actual deficiencies in the roster or good missed opportunities; they just talk about shit.
Dark Pit is just a scapegoat. There's seriously no reason to be upset about Dark Pit though, he's just a bonus character that wasn't even meant to be in originally.
I'm more upset about fucking Bowser Jr. We don't need another Mario character and especially not one so undeserving. Fuck I'd rather have Waluigi than fucking Bowser Jr
I've pretty much accepted that this is the final roster. After some initial bitching I realized it wasn't so bad. Dark Pit annoys me
I'd rather have Medusa for the pornbut I'm all right so long as he and the other Kid Icarus characters have codec calls.
Why is Sakurai so inconsistent? If there are eight costume slots including unique costumes, why not make Dr. Mario fit in a slot with Mario, and Lucina with Marth as an alt. costume? Pittoo, what the fuck? I'm starting to think Sakurai's sex change surgery made him go insane.
>1. never be considered
>2. wouldn't make good additions
And people like you are my problem. People who think their word is law when it comes to Smash Bros, thinking they know what's best. Newsflash faggot, you aren't working on the game. And no matter how 'right' you think you are, that won't change.
That's the other thing.
HE GETS ALL THOSE FUCKING ALT COSTUMES TAKING AWAY EVEN MORE DEV TIME THAN THAT LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT DESERVES.
Without Bowser Jr we probably could get a different more deserving character AND alt costume for 7 other characters
Definitely, he was just thrown in because there was extra dev time.
I strongly agree with this. There's a lot to complain about--just imagine what would've been possible if the dev time wasn't split between consoles. Ice Climbers, Mewtwo, and probably another awesome story mode.
But all you ever hear is Ridleyfags and their bullshit.
I'm only assmad because I want more surprises and the fact that this leak is real kills my hype.
Somewhat better but still that awful gray space. It doesn't even have a nice background like the others, it's just "there".
If said roster is final, there are probably thousands better way to completely fill the screen.
>people using logic and common sense
All you're doing is proving my point.
>LOOK AT MY OPINION
>MY OPINION IS JUST SIMPLE LOGIC
It isn't the Ridleyfags that are the cancer, it's you anon. It's always been you.
But it IS logic, my little Ridleyfag. Anyone with a half brain could see that there was no way Ridley would ever be a playable character.
And you know why people hate Ridleyfags so much? Because it's fucking frustrating to see people defy logic and acting stupid and then getting upset when they are wrong
>If said roster is final
It is. Before you say but ALL STAR WAS LOCKED the ESRB footage used at least two save files, you can tell by the trophy counts being inconsistent among the screens.
That's what I'm talking about. This is why Ridleyfags look as retarded as people who want fucking Goku in smash.
You're just being a frustrating faggot and you wonder why people spite you and shit on you
Less movesets introduced than Brawl, 6 cut from Brawl. This is the worst part, feels like there hasn't been any progress made on the roster. It feels different, but not necessarily better.
It's a shame, especially considering this is coming from a new console generation worth of technical advancement, and with Sakurai having a bigger team.
>And you have no proof the roster they pictured was from a "complete" save file anyway
It would be stupid as fuck to give the ESRB a fucking uncomplete roster.
Also the leaked roster has 4 unconfirmed newcomers and the release is 2 weeks away. Do you really think Sakurai has more super secret characters he didn't want to reveal before release than that?
>Why do some of you get so upset when others say they DON'T want this to be the final roster?
Because it either has characters they don't like or is missing characters they wanted in the game.
How is this a serious question?
It's the fact that they dropped Ice Climbers for one reason or another, and the fact that they dropped Lucas in favor of Dark Pit.
Things I am mad about
>Grill Roy getting her own slot
>Dark Pit getting his own slot
>Luigi & Dr. Mario (and Luigi is my nigger) getting there own slots
shit needed to be steamlined
>Things I am mad about
>>Luigi getting his own slot
But that's not what happened. DP only because a thing because they already had all the resources made for Dark Pit, so they just gave him some new attacks and made him a full character.
>This is why Ridleyfags look as retarded as people who want fucking Goku in smash
Do you even know what you're typing...?
>You're just being a frustrating faggot and you wonder why people spite you and shit on you
I'm not dignifying you with a proper responce, because you're just pulling shit out of your ass. You're arguments so far:
>Anyone with a half brain could see...
You're just shitposting... When you come up with ACTUAL reasons as to why Ridley wouldn't be in Smash other than you thinking your opinions are fact, then I'll treat you like someone who ISN'T a shitposter.
Not that anon, but I wouldn't be so sure that complete clones would count. Brawl had like 4 unique newcomers no one knew about, right? Wolf and Toon Link had either a nearly no-clone moveset or a completely different moveset.
ROB and Lucario were unique as well.
Nope. They got leaked before release, as characters often do.
That's one hell of a comment you have there anon. Shame it's just more shitposting though.
Dr. Mario alt for Mario
Daisy alt for Peach
Dry Bowser alt for Bowser
Koopa Kids alts for Bowser Jr
Dixie Kong is a Diddy clone with some different specials and animations
Pirate and Scientist alts for K.Rool
Warioware alt for Wario
Ashley & Red hijack Rosalina's moveset
Rosalina is an assist trophy
Zelda regains the Sheik transformation
Ganondorf gets decloned and has an Ocarina of Time alt
Toon Link gets decloned and gets Islander clothes alt
Samus gets several alts: Power Suit, Gravity Suit, Phazon Suit, Light Suit and Dark Samus
ZSS gets the Zero Mission/Fusion alts
Ridley is in, deal with it
Marth has Lucina and Masked Lucina as alts
Robin has female alt
Pit has Dark Pit alt
Falco gets a new Final Smash
Wolf gets partial decloning with some new specials and Final Smash
Pokemon Trainer gets revised switching mechanics and a female alt
Ness gets Lucas as an alt
Kumatora is not a clone
Captain Falcon gets Blood Falcon as a clone
Villager has the female alt
Little Mac has wireframe and jogging suit alts
Olimar has Alph as an alt
Shulk has the swimsuit alt
Sami uses Snake's moveset
You know the reasons why he isn't in smash.
He fucking wouldn't fit in. People aren't just jokingly saying he's too big.
He really IS too fucking big to be a playable character you massive retard.
Also because he's already pretty much confirmed as a BOSS character and also was one in Brawl.
Wanting Ridley is like wanting Rayquaza as a playable character. It's simply a laughable idea.
And you can shut your ears all you want, as a matter of fact Ridley really ISN'T playable, unless you wanna say that the leak is fake or incomplete
>three F-Zero reps
never ever :)
i think this is the best possible roster we coulda asked for. i just hope ice climbers still make it, they're so fun to play. snake would be cool too but i'm kinda thinking that's not happening
but overall, tight roster, it's huge
Like I said, Luigi is my nigger, but to say he isn't a overstated mario clone is bonkers.
What I was hopping for this smash would be clones becoming reskins with modified specials so they could focus on more unique fighters.
But nope, the dream is dead.
You people are the reason why roster threads suck.
I liked the "Rate their odds" threads where Ridley was consistently in the lowest tier. People had legit discussions about how likely characters were to get in and had to justify their opinions with reasoning. Al Ridleyfags could ever come up with is METROID DESERVES MORE REPS RIDLEY IS ICONIC and then get BTFO by people who can actually think.
>He fucking wouldn't fit in
How so? (And no, '2big' isn't a good enough reason)
>He really IS too fucking big to be a playable character
Well that was fast.
>he's already pretty much confirmed as a BOSS
Let's not go over this again anon... You know the thread won't survive.
>was one in Brawl
Was a boos in Brawl TWICE actually. If the next step up isn't playablility, then I dunno what is.
>Wanting Ridley is like wanting Rayquaza as a playable character
Looks like we're getting into the ADVANCED shitposting now.
>And you can shut your ears all you want
>as a matter of fact Ridley really ISN'T playable
Again, you say this is a fact... I'm starting to worry that you actually think that.
>unless you wanna say that the leak is fake
Of course not.
Well I'm glad you've got that out of your system. Anything else on your mind?
Welcome to hell.
>What I was hopping for this smash would be clones becoming reskins with modified specials so they could focus on more unique fighters.
So clones? It's the same shit only they're on the character select screen.
>the esrb needs to see every character dumbass
No, they fucking don't.
Why do you faggots keep spouting this shit? They only need to show locked content that could rise up the rating, "pertinent locked content" as said by the fucking ESRB itself. It doesn't mean they did or didn't show the entierety, but they aren't obligated in any way to show the entirety of the game, you fucking nigger.
He has different animations but the bulk of hos fighting style is pretty much mario with an extra recovery instead of a reflect.
The less work that goes into clones the more work that can go into unique fighters. I didn't think it was that hard a concept to follow.
So fucking DHD and Dr. Mario and Lucina would raise the rating but fucking Ridley or Wolf or whoeever the fuck wouldn't? so nintendo was preparing a demo to show them, and then "oh shit we fucked up by including too many locked characters oh well its too late just show them it anyway". goddamn your dumb.
>You people are the reason why roster threads suck
Debatable. As you can see from >>261084560, this was pretty much started by a single anti-ridleyfag. Same as all the others, getting insainly butthurt over someone liking something they don't. If I was more into spamming buzzwords to try and upset someone, I guess 'autism' would be pretty fitting.
I wouldn't have cared if they had never been in super smash, no, but they were and they were a fun and welcome addition.
And now they are gone so we could get nintendos waifu princess instead.
>Animals involved in violence, possibly tossing helpless ducks around and getting hit with weaponry
Ridley is not really all that scary depending on how he's designed. He's comparable to your average fantasy dragon, and we see shit like that in all manner of kids media.
I still think that the leak is the final roster but goddamn you fucks don't know what you're talking about.
I'm fine with the roster, I'm just not fine with replacing clones with other clones that no one asked for. Dr. Mario was only brought back for nostalgia and Dark Pit's here for because Sakurai wants him.
I can deal with Bowser Jr and Duck Hunt Dog, I can't deal with removing clones that at least had their own character for the sake of different clones
This is the logic defying shit I'm talking about.
You shut your ears against legitimate arguments because you don't know how to respond.
You actually think that the leaked roster is incomplete, just so you can keep your Ridley delusions.
But I'm also glad that people like you still exist. That raises my hope that I can rub it some faggot in that Ridley isn't playable and enjoy his tears. I was afraid that I would miss out on the Ridley shitstorm because of the leaks, but the official deconfirmation will apparently still bring one
Other M Ridley's design is generally assumed to be "fearsome". The fact that it wasn't on the roster means that either he's not in the 3DS version or that Sakurai redesigned him to be more family friendly.
>they dropped lucas in favor of Dark Pit
that's not how game design works, you fucking retard.
>Ridleyfags getting upset over an objectively great roster
Nothing to see here. Just a bunch of butthurt insignificant and worthless people crying about something that they're going to buy anyway because based Sakurai makes them suck his dick.
>Roster is leaked
>Ridley isn't in it
>Sakurai pretty much flat out says that he's a stage boss
>"You have to tell me reasons why Ridley wouldn't be in smash"
Ridley fags are the fundie christians of /v/
Both have nearly the same specials
Both have nearly the same standard attacks
The biggest difference is that luigi slides and has a rocket luigi instead of a cape.
You have autism m8, get it checked out
Which character is the cursor covering?
>I don't know what an opinion is
I'm probably going to be called a Ridleyfag for not liking everyone in the roster and eating up whatever shit Sakurai throws at us.
Hoping the paranoid rumours of characters being missing is from ESRB version is true.
Would like the roster to be arranged similar to pic related (with some characters obviously missing)
Not to fuel the fire, but Riki's a final smash and an assist trophy. Toon Link appears as part of a stage and a playable character. Just saying, there's precedent for it.
Better than another fucking Landmaster
That's funny because he was already directly shown as a stage hazard, on a direct too.
So he was directly disconfirmed already, and Ridleyfags are way too retarded and braindead to comprehend that fact.
>This is the logic defying shit I'm talking about
And this is the shit I've been talking about. You aren't providing 'logic', just your own opinions. Stating them again, and again, and again won't make them facts, nor will it become 'common sense'.
>You shut your ears against legitimate arguments
What 'legitimate arguments'? 2big? 'NEVER EVER :^)'?
>...because you don't know how to respond
But I do. I've been responding to you for some time now actually.
>You actually think that the leaked roster is incomplete
>just so you can keep your Ridley delusions
Nah, I just want more characters. Ridleyfags aren't JUST limited to ONLY wanting Ridley ya know.
>But I'm also glad that people like you still exist
Well that's an oddly nice thing to say.
>That raises my hope that I can rub it some faggot in that Ridley isn't playable and enjoy his tears
Aww maan.. You made me think you were being all nice n' shit. Why'd you have to just turn it into a bunch of buzzwords?
Again, anything else you wish to rant over? Perhaps you could say the exact same thing again? I'm sure you'll prove me wrong this time~
>People still believing thier giant lizard still has a shot
People just get upset here dude thats the culture here your not stopping that anytime soon
i like the roster sure their could have been snake and mewtwo (my two faves even though mewtwo is so low tier)... But bowser jr shulk pacman megaman greninja and duckhunt make it up.
im pretty satisfied hopefully we can get nintendo to add dlc (mewtwo amibo would be awesome)
>Roster is leaked
Why, yes it is.
>Ridley isn't in it
Why, no he isn't.
>Sakurai pretty much flat out says that he's a stage boss
Apart from the bit where he didn't.
I'm starting to think people like you are missing the point here... We don't know if this is the final roster or not, it's just speculation either side. So I'm holding out hope that Ridley is still going to be playable. I'm not asking anyone to come up with 'reasons why Ridley wouldn't be in smash', I gave up on that a long while ago after I saw the hundredth Ridley Thread in a row be filled with the exact same level of shitposting from either side as usual. I'm not wanting to 'prove' or 'disprove' anything. I just want muh space dragon.
It's when people like you get rather upset over this that confuses me. Twisting words... Stating your opinions as if they are fact (and believing that they are fact at that)... It baffles me.
Why you haff be mad? It's just a game bro.
>Want a new Metroid rep
>Everyone yells at me for being a Ridleyfag even though I'd rather have Dark Samus or Weavel / Sylux instead
Suffering. Come on, at this point people have to be at the acceptance stage.
>has pacman, megaman, sonic, shulk
>the fucking duck hunt dog
Anyone should realize this is a great roster. I just don't know what people expect anymore.
>I'm starting to think people like you are missing the point here...
What Ridleyfags does
>after I saw the hundredth Ridley Thread in a row be filled with the exact same level of shitposting from either side as usual.
Because Ridleyfags totally doesn't shitpost in anti-Ridleybro threads
What you Ridleyfags does
>Stating your opinions as if they are fact (and believing that they are fact at that)
Sounds like Ridleyfaggotry
Basically, you Ridleyfags are filthy and disgusting hypocrites.
Have you been living under a rock or something?
It's true mang. Hell, Ridley wasn't even my number 1 pick. I'd much rather characters like Rayman, or even Midna in before him. Mewtwo as well. It just so happens that he's yet to be the only one to be BTFO'd.
I dunno, you tell me. You're the one with the fascination about us.
>What Ridleyfags does
Oh boy, this can only go well.
>Because Ridleyfags totally doesn't shitpost in anti-Ridleybro threads
I never said they didn't. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Ridley Threads are complete cancer. I almost completely believe that not a single person that posts in those threads actually want Ridley to be playable. It's just 500+ posts of back-and-forth shitposting.
>What you Ridleyfags does
>Sounds like Ridleyfaggotry
Well, I can't speak for everyone, but atleast I know I don't. As I actually stated in my previous post, I just want him to be playable. I don't really mind either way for arguments for and against 'why' he should be included. That's more your territory by the looks of it.
>Basically, you Ridleyfags are filthy and disgusting hypocrites
Y-You don't truly mean that, d-do you... ;_ ;
>4 Fire Emblem reps
Oh boy I sure do love anime swordsmen
>Apart from the bit where he didn't
well fuck anon, if the part where he showed Ridley's shadow in pyrosphere while saying "other stage bosses will make appearances too" doesn't confirm Ridley as a stage boss then I don't know what to tell you. If you still have hopes of Ridley being playable after that then the only thing I can say is that you're naive, if not delusional. I understand wanting a character in the game. I'd LOVE for K.Rool to be playable, but if they showed his crown on a DK stage while talking about stage bosses I wouldn't be entertaining the thought that he'd be playable. Especially after we had a roster leak where he was nowhere to be found. The sheer number of assumptions you have to make to even get to the possibility of him being included is enough to make you look like an idiot for still thinking that he has a chance.
>Only ridleyfags stutter post
It can't be the final roster because mii fighters aren't there.
>3 pilots that we only see barely out of their cars
>bringing up FE to cover for your stupidity
>if the part where he showed Ridley's shadow in pyrosphere while saying "other stage bosses will make appearances too" doesn't confirm Ridley as a stage boss then I don't know what to tell you
Seeing an actual image of him as a stage boss instead of a shadow might help. Hell, this had been gone over quite a few times anon. Where have you been?
>Transformation is a fun mechanic
Nobody has ever said this. Especially not the people who played as transformation characters. Sakurai was right to remove a feature that nobody used and even hampered people's enjoyment.
We just don't understand why so many people want Ridley in when it's been extremely obvious he would never be in. Even at this point, after the roster has been leaked, you guys are still going at it.
Look, we all have characters who we would love to see in Smash who will never be in Smash. But we understand that. You guys don't seem to get it and it's kind of sad.
Had a similar idea for this back when I thought Wolf was going to come back.
>We just don't understand why so many people want Ridley in...
Well, you se-
>when it's been extremely obvious he would never be in
Goddamn it son. You were so close.
>the roster has been leaked, you guys are still going at it
Again, we don't know if it's the full roster or not. Just assumptions either way.
>You guys don't seem to get it and it's kind of sad
Well I appreciate the concern anon, but there be no need for pity or sadness. I'm sure there will be more than enough time for that when he's confirmed to be playable.
> Balancing issue
Sheik was one of the best characters in the game though. Tourneyfags would switch into her and never use Zelda--and the same was true of anyone I played against.
Curious what the new down b moves are, but I don't think this was a 'balancing issue." Just an acknowledgment of how people played the game.
>Transformation added depth to the character
It removed a character's special, giving them less depth than the rest of the cast. People prefer to stick with one character, Anon. More people accidentally transformed in the middle of battle than those who transformed because they wanted to transform. Also with Pokemon Trainer, it goes full retard because it forces you to use all three when people would rather stick with their favorite.
Pokemon Trainer's switching mechanics should be revised.
Personally I think it would be fun if you picked one of the three, and then they switched when they got KO'd. You could add an option so they didn't switch though.
Don't really get the hate for Sheik/Zelda though. If both sides had legitimate strengths and weaknesses it would be a fun mechanic. People can't see past what's right in front of them.
Why did Nintendo reveal their best newcomer FIRST?
All the reveals have gone down in hype since then.
The fact that Bowser Jr made it in, will get the Koopa car, AND will probably get Koopalings alts pretty much means I can forgive most of the shortcomings of this roster, even the cuts and clones.
Why take a risk in trying to rework a mechanic that nobody used before? It's much more effective and makes more people happier to just remove it entirely and focus on individual characters.
>Why take a risk in trying to rework a mechanic that nobody used before?
>Post yfw Sakurai makes Ice Climbers: Upclimbing and ROB: Upbuilding
A game design document.
Video games aren't made up as they go along. They roughly plan things out and get a general idea of what they're doing. This doesn't include everything that will make it into the game, but this is where the big important decisions are made.
Sakurai outright stated that the first thing they did with Smash 4 was to sit down and decide which characters they wanted to be playable.
If Ridley was chosen at this stage to be playable, do you really think Sakurai would have also picked him to be a boss, considering how rich the Metroid franchises is in potential bosses? Why not pick Kraid? Mother Brain? The Omega Metroid? Nightmare?
Any one of them could be a perfect boss instead of using Ridley again despite him being playable.
>new smash thread
>>Ridley isn't in smash
>shitstorm for the rest of the thread's life
>rinse and repeat
>antiridleyfags don't like smash threads