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Here's the thing about 4chan. I'd argue it's actually one of the more inclusive places that exist on the internet. But it gives nothing up for free. You want to be accepted? Fight for it. Prove why you should. Don't think you deserve respect, actually earn it.
Keep in mind this is the same board that regularly has:
* dudes ordering and proudly displaying dragon dildos
* a shockingly active lgbt community
I feel like the issue is people just expecting like they should be accepted or made nice to. And I disagree. On 4chan you've got to be willing to put in the work if you want the benefits.
So I was thinking
I'm opposed to the whole "SJW" party lines bullshit. I like Anita's videos sort of because I do feel like representation of women in games could be a lot better, though I wouldn't say I agree religiously like some people do.
So I was wondering, does the /v/ community think there are feminist issues in the games industry? This drama seems to be another thing entirely and imo is distracting from what actually is kind of an issue. Guys treating girls differently in games, not as many women in tech, not as many female playable characters, etc. These are issues that I'd like to see us work on as a community (gamers) and I hate to see these so-called feminists making it about themselves instead of talking about real issues or solutions.
When I read about /v/ funding TFYC and creating Vivian James it was amazing. It was so nice to see those smug bitches complaining and arguing about harassment and misogyny while you guys actually fixed the shit they're supposed to be mad about. You funded women working in the tech industry and you created a great female character.
I want to see more of that. I love the idea of /v/ just rubbing it in their faces as they do the stuff they've all been talking about. Not for the SJW's but for real female gamers, and for games as a whole. I don't mean removing all sexism or sexy outfits or whatever. I mean just having some female bad guys now and then like in fallout, or having female protagonists like in portal where it doesn't even matter. Just increase the % a little.
So.. What does /v/ think about these issues anyway? And how do you guys feel about doing more good works instead of arguing about irrelevant shit?
This, for example, sounds great.
(I promise I'm not trying to shitpost or shill I just use /an/ and /tg/ mostly and rarely visit /v/)
SUBSCRIBE TO THIS MAN!
TWEET ALL OF HIS VIDEOS!
SHARE THEM EVERYWHERE!!!!
GET THIS MANS NAME IN THE STARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION
ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION
ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION
NEW QUINNSPIRACY VID
THE JOURNALISTS ARE CURRENTLY ATTACKING NOT ONLY US BUT EVERYONE THAT IS INVOLVED IN GAMES.
To everyone here, we must take a stand and keep it up. They’ve already produced article after article to support one another with an attempt in making “Gamer” a bad thing. A vast majority of their audience identifies as a “Gamer” and they do not like that. They want rid of this and are willing to destroy their audience to insert their own created one that they can control.
DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN PEOPLE.
KEEP BRINGING UP THE ROT THAT’S IN THE GAMING WORLD THAT IS THE SITES SPEWING OUT THIS VILE TRASH TRYING TO HERD US AND CHANGE THINGS FOR THEIR VIEWS.
>Kotaku: “We Might Be Witnessing The ‘Death Of An Identiy’”
>Dan Golding: “The End of Gamers”
>Gamasutra: “'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over.”
>arstechnica: “The death of the “gamers” and the women who “killed” them”
>Vice: “This Guy's Embarrassing Relationship Drama Is Killing the 'Gamer' Identity”
>Buzzefeed: “Gaming Is Leaving “Gamers” Behind”
There are other articles out there that spew this kind of bullshit, framing us “Gamers” as being a horrible entity in video game culture. I don’t know if they realize that WE ARE THE VIDEO GAME CULTURE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
DO NOT LET UP PEOPLE. Keep going at the advertisers and make it clear we do not want anything to do with these types of sites. Aligning with them only shows they’re fine with being viewed as people who don’t care for “Gamers”, who are fine with the death of “Gamers”, who advertise to people that are hollering for the death of “Gamers.
AS GAMERS DO NOT LET UP ON THIS; DRIVE IT HOME THAT WE WILL MAKE A STAND OVER THEIR VERBAL ABUSE AND NOT TAKE IT ANY LONGER.
My discussion with the SJW that argued with TB yesterday.
People keep clamoring around that SJW people that screw up our hobby, our culture, and everything we’ve grown with are in these threads.
The thing is, here, in our threads, they have no sway. Their words to try and make us falter or stop don’t work. Anything they have to say gets dismissed with the massive amount of information that we have compiled for our cause. Their threats are childish in comparison to what we normally deal with.
>THEY’RE AFRAID PEOPLE
They invade because we’ve gone over to tumblr, to do the same. We show the people there, their very followers, the truth of the situation. We gain new people in our cause every hour as they lose their own. Any people they do gain is on faulty information that, when challenged, falls apart.
>THE SJW’S COME TO FIGHT US HEAD ON; THEY ARE NOT AWARE THAT WE ARE READY FOR SUCH A THING.
They think we’re just some basement dwelling fucks that they’ve shit on for all their lives. We come from ALL walks of life, from ALL different ethnicities and cultures. They think we’re easy targets that can be shaken up and be silenced.
LET US SHOW THAT WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED AND THAT WE WILL CONTINUE ONWARDS. WE WILL BE HEARD AND YOU WILL NOT AND CAN NOT STOP US.
How did this pro-SJW article get past you guys? This is one of Australia's most prominent and well respected newspapers: The Sydney Morning Herald.
And here is the Twitter of the author of this piece
Seriously guys, check this out, it's super disgusting.
>PAX weekend happening theme
This is why all of Anita's bullshit doesn't work. She blatantly ignores the other side, only focusing on the extremes that support her own cause. That isn't an intelligent study, that is a salesperson at work.
It's a conversation worth having, the problem is that developers and publishers face gigantic pressure to addressed and correct even the most ridiculous, nitpicky objections or face massive twitter outrage, waves of articles, pr disaster and firings if they stick to their guns.
Someone should buy that dude a drink
>6 minutes in and this IA video is fucking great already
IF someone could make a version of this with BB sat next to /v/ivian and the demons replaced with SJW's/Phil Fish/nodding respectfully man, I'd be eternally grateful
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Not always. In my experience it's more annoying than helpful, the way guys act. I mean yea maybe I could get on vent and get some faggy white knight to give me shit but it's like saying I can go to a bar and get laid by anyone. I mean... that's not a great benefit in return for the down sides. It's putting a lot of value on attention from awful guys.
It's not horrific it's more of a general thing that happens sometimes. Key up and someone says "haha make sandiwch" and you go on with your day. It's annoying and it'd be nice if we could work on that, but my main thing is I'd like to be able to play as a girl sometimes. I wouldn't even do it every time if I had the option, but an option would be cool. I don't even think it's a girl issue, because more options is usually cool and more interesting etc
THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DEMONIZE AND ADD A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION TO THE WORD GAMER
I said this a few threads ago but we need to take advantage of this. The are clearing the stigma we've always associated with the word. It will no longer bring
>us gamers, huh?
to mind. If they actually try to define a new word like the ironic gamers+ shit people are speculating, we should try to take the word gamer back for ourselves. We should spread a shitty hashtag or something like #GamerRebirth.
I agree that there should be more female protagonists, and that there could be more creative ways to craft stories in games without resorting to tired tropes. .
As long as they're good video games.
INTERNET ARISTOCRAT VID IS UP
I thought Erik Kain was going to be on our side
We NEED people to help contribute a centralized storage place of information.
Anyone can edit and contribute, you just need to register to create pages & there is no email verification. Anonymous edits will NOT show your IP.
>InternetAristocrat going after Erik Kane
OH GOD WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING?!
I love Internet Aristrocrat, but you guys need to keep in mind he's sort of /pol/ tier. He doesn't hold back and he'll call someone out if he's pissed. He speaks well, but normalfags are mostly just going to end up offended and dismissing him.
SWEET SWEET DELICIOUS JUSTICE
Reposting OC dump because OP is a retard
Link anything not included.
Well I'd love to see the convo and maybe get some /v/ fueled content out there instead of just quinngate gamergate on twitter. Some videos of "Sarkeesian isn't entirely correct, but there's an issue so let's talk about it" or whatever. A counter to her videos that's not about her or her arguments but making the *right* arguments that she's allegedly not making, yknow?
4chan has no benefit, you don't get internet famous, you don't get to suck mods cocks, you just post.
I just recently learned how Twatter works, I made one tweet in response, no one read it, because no followers, you have to suck a long line of cocks to get that e-cred, here you just have to lurk, it's exactly like the difference with RPG and action games, in action games you have to play a lot to get good, the time varies with players where one could therically be good from the start, an RPG you have to grind your character's stats, meaning you yourself have nothing, your account has, wheras on 4chan you yourself get the experience.
Some RPGs have good story and all but Twitter and the new kind of "add exp for quirks in every game" is complete garbage for garbagemen.
Even if they do demonize the word, I'll still use it.
The fuck should I care about any of this shit, man? I don't vote, I don't give a shit about social justice, and I certainly don't fucking read gaming 'journalists'. Why should I care?
I think gaming as a whole are steadily approaching equality in terms of representation, although we still have some ways to go. I mean, nowadays, you can have a female protag and no one would bat an eyelid.
So really, all it needs is time and the issue would correct itself. These SJWs screeching "muhsoggyknees" are just derailing this process and making it all about them, and probably setting back vidya for years, if not decades.
Man, SJW horeshit aside, I enjoyed Sessler for a long time....I miss old X-play and Extended play Sessler.
>Don't cry for me, I'm already dead
Based baldwin teaching bitches to get BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
I think we need to discuss why representation is important
anytime its brought up though, you get shit on because
>these ten games have female leads
>these four have a black and or latin and or indian character
while not considering the thousands of games that ARE featuring bald white space marine in an fps with a straight romance.
Im just convinced 4chan isnt a place for this discussion since most channers mock/handwave the want for representation
Reposting from the last thread.
What about we get one/some of the bigger names on our side (Based Baldwin, IA, TB, etc) to do some kind of marathon vidya-playing stream, for as long as they can last? It could purely be to raise awareness, or potentially to raise money for TFYC, the CCA, or some other appropriate charity. Kinda similar to that Penn and Teller: Smoke and Mirrors thing for Child's Play, except with decent games.
They could even meet up with some of the other other big names supporting our cause, if any of them live close enough to each other. Hell, if we could get some female supporters on board (say, Jayd3Fox) it'd be perfect.
Someone tweet the idea to our celebrities, it's worth a try. It might remind people that 'our side' isn't united by misogyny, desire to slut-shame, or any bollocks like that, but by a love of videogames. And that our desire to defend it and its culture springs from that love.
(TFYC are said they are doing a stream - if they intend to do what I've described above, ignore this. However I had the impression they were just talking about a short stream, as opposed to a marathon, and that they hadn't contacted any of the other big names supporting our cause - please let us know if you have, TFYC!)
COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM THE INTEGRITY IN GAMES JOURNALISM PROTEST AT PAX
>Schroedinger's website. It is both a journalism site (when the contributors and owners want press passes, free trips, and perks) and just a blog site (when they don't want to have any responsibility, accountability, or integrity).
It exists in both states at once due to quinntum particles.
>It exists in both states at once due to quinntum particles.
What part of "Unbiased Journalist" is so hard to understand?
He's exactly what we want. He's not taking a side. He's not throwing down with personal opinions and slinging shit. He's presenting information in a calm, reasonable manner.
We couldn't ask for a better ally.
No, I didn't decide this today, I've followed him for about 5 years on twitter.
He's the most arrogant, entitled prick I've seen yet.
I want to unfollow him, but I can't because he's the man I love to hate.
Honestly, he's really nasty.
INTERNET ARISTOCRAFT BTFO EVERY SHILL GAMING "JOURNALIST" SITE
IT'S HABBENING, FOLKS, HOLD ON TO YOUR ANUSES
Nah, Erik looked at all this shit and went 'whoa not touching this shit'.
Now to be fair, a lot of the stuff posted as evidence of Zoe's influence of over the media is circumstantial at best. It fits our rough standards for speculating about it, but it's hardly a smoking gun.
That said, Erik stopped short of calling out the problems around this issue that have come to light, mainly that Kotaku had to even address what their procedure for recusing is in the first place when people revealed that other writers had connections with people they wrote about.
So yeah, Erik deserves some shit, even though I get why he didn't take up the cause.
That's a great metaphor for how 4chan vs twitter works. 4chan is
COD; twatter is Final Fantasy
I'll consider it.
I would love to have bigger names come on stream with us to play games or discuss things. Thing is, how in the fucking hell are we gonna get them to notice us and agree to it?
>>Im just convinced 4chan isnt a place for this discussion since most channers mock/handwave the want for representation
I wish that weren't the case. I think we can be better than that and could use our voice to push for change, even if these SJW people won't actually do that..
Pointing out exceptions does nothing to the overall trend. It's not just "faggy white knights" giving women free shit and better treatment; I guarantee you that near on every single male gamer is willing to bend over backwards for two seconds of "female" attention or presence.
Ultimately there's nothing to work on- you're talking about negating the biological imperative in males to compete for female attention by providing them with gifts and acts of service. That is what they have to trade.
The abuse women rarely receive by contrarian men (people who either realize that they can troll both the woman and white knights at the same time, or are genuinely bitter towards women) can only ever approach the average level of banter men experience.
No matter how you slice it, in any given gaming community, if you're a woman you'll receive better treatment overall.
comments like this are irrelevant to us.
You point out the disparity between threats levelled against Zoe and Adam and imply that anyone here is responsible for them.
Look at the comments section of old Kotaku articles where people threatened Tameem or people from Treyarch. Are they 4chan posters? Please, provide any evidence.
Is the guy who threatened Anita or any of the people who allegedly called Zoe's dad posting in these threads? Please, provide ANY evidence.
/v/ as a group has never condoned harassment or violent threats and there is no evidence any of the threats are coming from people even remotely related to the gaming community. They could be crazy wackjobs or insane right-wing conservatives who attack every 'feminist' icon they can.
I'm still waiting for any of the liberal extremists who accuse 4chan posters of criminal wrongdoing to release a shred of evidence any of us were involved.
first major german press update her article
gulli dot com was on 4chan
It's funny, before they all released those articles about Gamers being dead, I hated the term. Gaming has been a hobby, a passion even, for me, for most of us on /v/ for so many years of our lives. I never liked to call myself a gamer though, I felt like it was being marketed toward me, rather than being organic.
But now it kinda makes me want to call myself a gamer. Since they are shitting on it this badly, I feel like if I call myself a gamer that should be one of the worst insults to them imaginable. They want to kill an identity, they are a fucking parasite like SHODAN, and we can just tell them pic related.
All these SJWs claim they don't run stories on personal lives, that's why they try and shut down the Quinn stuff but whenever it's a man like Wardell or Temkin they run extremely biased hit pieces against them.
New internet Aristocrat vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km3DZQp0StE&list=UUWB0dvorHvkQlgfGGJR2yxQ
is making this happen. #gamergate might trend tonight!
still, the fact that he's feigning ignorance towards the whole SJW thing is kind of shitty. He knows damn well what SJWs are. His hands off approach is SO hands off that he ignores this fuckmassive movement on the Internet? No, that's shitty.
Poster you linked to here - I actually do think there are feminist issues in gaming. Just as we're not the monsters we're being demonized as, neither are all of our opponents. Some people on the 'other side' have legitimate grievances with things in gaming, things that aren't unreasonable and that we could stand to see changed. MissAngerist is one of these people, I believe.
I'd support a dialogue toward meeting somewhere in the middle - but that kind of dialogue doesn't begin with all our concerns being censored and shouted down as 'misogyny'.
Hey guys i took a break today and actually played vidya all day. Did anything new happen today?
you were looking for games with female protagonists to stream last thread
I actually cant name a videogame with a bald white space marine in an fps with a straight romance. Unless Cortana counts as a straight romance.
System Shock 2 has two of the best female characters in vidya imo (SHODAN and Dr. Delacroix). SHODAN is the antagonist and Delacroix is a badass scientist with no combat training who survived everything while guiding the player, and SHODAN is just SHODAN.
He wrote a nuanced, rather unbiased article which is sure to get shat on by all sides.
Here's the heart of it:
>My take: Gamers don’t need to worry that people who want more inclusive video games will somehow ruin their hobby.
>The real threats to video game consumers is an industry that doesn’t ever change except to foist new, shady business practices on customers. Day-one DLC, always-online DRM, false advertising, and so and so forth. These are the issues that matter to this industry, not the latest opinion video from Anita Sarkeesian.
I agree. SJWs' effect on actual vidya, like I keep saying, has been nearly nil. They have infested gaming journalism but that has been shit since forever.
Remember how /v/ called him a "traitor" when he published an article about Anita? It boiled down to "there are very viable criticisms against Anita, but that doesn't justify death threats".
Essentially he's being crucified for doing what a journalist should do: be unbiased.
how is that a story on "persona lives" and not an event within the industry that could be seen as having ramifications for how similar situations within the industry are treated
Only one of them has a romance story, and that could be with an alien or a man. Plus, shepard is not a man in my game.
The man they calle jayne...
I assume he's decided to go after someone more inflammatory.
I failed, /v/.
he wants to keep his hands clean while pandering to us. Didn't get the balance write this time so he won't have idiots sucking his cock again until he gets another easy shot from gaming media.
Maybe he'll do a peace on these blog sites hating on gamers now to appease us.
Just e-mail them, or tweet them or whatever. Most of the people speaking for our side seem pretty cool, especially considering what they're willing to weather in order to stand with us. And I don't think any of them are so 'big' that your e-mail wouldn't be noticed.
If anyone has the image of all our celebrity allies saved, post it please. TFYC need to know who to contact.
At the worst, you'll get a polite no. It's definitely worth an attempt.
There's no getting through to him. Don't bother.
You obviously haven't been around many video games if you don't know that stereotypical protagonist look, which has been popularized in modern times by Gears of War, Mass Effect. In fact, /v/ has been pretty adamant about how generic the designs are for years. If a game comes out with the protagonist looking like that, a large chunk of game-shitting is going to be on that.
Sure you can take leave Anon. EVERYONE IF YOU ARE TIRED TAKE LEAVE FOR THE DAY AND RETURN TOMORROW!!.
are you surprised that 4chan doesn't actually give a shit about any of that and only wants 100% commitment behind the "social justice warrior" menace
are you surprised that the people you are amongst are unreasonable
I think better representation is great.
The stunning thing is the hypocrisy in the gaming press. They lament publishers saying female protags wont sell, then never promote any games with female protagonists.
They talk about the indie scene providing more representation, but never promote games with more representation.
They bitch and whine without ever doing anything to actually improve the situation.
And the indie devs are just as bad.
Phil cares about women in the industry, but doesnt take 2 seconds to make the character in his game female? How much does he really care? (Wasnt the character in Depression Quest male too? Why not give players male/female options and alter the dialogue slightly?)
Just fucking MAKE games with black lesbian protagonists or whatever, but dont forget it needs to be a GAME too. Stop whinging that other people arent catering to you.
And half of those either are multiplayer, have other playable characters that aren't white/male or have a character creation process where you can literally make a strong womyn if that tickles your fancy.
>Team Fortress 2
>Left 4 Dead
>We are on day 14, with a fucking hashtag #Gamergate. We are on day 14, with people in the movie industry, the television industry, the music industry commenting on this. We are in day 14, where websites have some of the largest threads in their history dedicated to this very thing.
The big people in LP are going to hear about this because games journalism is part of their line of work. If they're on our side, they're on your side, and they'll probably be intelligent enough to want to work with you, if at the least to hitch their wagon to what they believe is the winning side.
Jontron and boogie. Boogie pretty much said in his video he's neutral but that's obviously not true as he doesn't respect Zoe Quinn anymore
But how many are NOTABLE actually good games? We could look at fucking shovelware from the ps2 era for female/minority representation!
I'm cool with people making games about whatever the fuck they want. But take the focal point away from identity and point it to the actual meat of the game. What I mean by that is instead of making a gay character that's just flamboyantly gay or has sex with everything like something from Bioware. Make someone like Arcade Gannon from FNV, an interesting character that isn't just focusing on 'hurr gey'
Hey guys, do we have an IRC where we can discuss our current tactics? All the Zoe shit makes us look pretty bad. We need a way to get people involed or get people to notice this more than they have already. I hate to say it, but, the reason most other anons get the public press is because they usually lure people in because of "funny memes". Without an element of fun involved, we just look like assholes.
Jon might be hesitant - he might've said his piece at the Cooptional thing.
If you email him, suggest that him supporting TFYC (and thus, women making games) may be good press for him. Then again, maybe he doesn't give a shit.
But definitely give Boogie a go.
Hell, he was on /v/ a few threads back. And he has a huge following - he even tweeted you guys.
He'd surely do it.
Not surprised at all. I've seen 4chan do far worse. But that doesn't stop me from trying to talk sense with the reasonable people
and tell the SJWs and stormteens alike to fuck off
>internet aristocrat will never be your older brother
To be quite honest, sure I think here and there are issues that could be addressed. However, I tend to find that almost all the problems are less "sexist" and more out of laziness.
Yes, the villain did just kill that girl to show how evil he is. Its an old trope and while it could be viewed as sexist that the girl had to be killed to make you care, its mainly a developer taking the lazy way out on developing a good villain.
Less female protagonists? Well with the developer field being male-dominated, it makes sense that the character probably is male as its something they can relate to and better write for. They could try and build their writing skills to better represent a female character but most tend to be lazy and due to the problem of the industry playing it safe, they play safe with their characters.
If a boob-jiggles or there is some fan-service, whatever. Don't try to make it more than it is.
First of all, I agree that representation in games is not equal.
But there's a reason for it; these games are targeted towards a specific audience and that audience happens to be white men.
Or at least a majority of the targeted audience is.
It's the same reason most MCs of Jap VNs are Japanese males.
Unless you can prove that a significant amount of women/minorities play THESE games AND have an issue with this lack of representation then it's not really an issue to the companies making the games.
Even when there is a minority/female lead in a game, you rarely ever get mass complaints about it either.
There are plenty of awesome female leads and great minority characters as well.
You also have to take into account how many games these days allow for a customizable avatar.
>using toilet paper
>not talking a bath right after shitting instead and washing your ass
"one of the most useful points on the internet"
Tyler is truly based.
Why the fuck do all these SJWs say "rando"? I don't understand. Is it supposed to be random minus the M? Are they saying anyone who disagrees with them is a Randroid?
WHY DO THEY SAY IT? WHY DOES IT ANNOY ME SO MUCH?
Seriously? Reddit has been completely silent on this fiasco lately as the mods quietly started to censor again. No one is even raising a stink about it either. Are redditors just oblivious or did they all just come here?
>What I mean by that is instead of making a gay character that's just flamboyantly gay or has sex with everything like something from Bioware. Make someone like Arcade Gannon from FNV, an interesting character that isn't just focusing on 'hurr gey'
WOW!!!! WHAT A NOVEL FUCKING IDEA!!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE HAVE JUST BEEN GAMING GAMES WITH "FLAMBOYANTLY GAY PROTAGONISTS WHO HAVE SEX WITH EVERYTHING"!!!!!! WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL THEM SOONER?
eat a fucking bullet, you stupid fucking child
For the TFYC thing:
Strong, independent, intelligent, caring, capable and badass.
And that's just the other strong female from the game, Jeanne.
Bayonetta herself is all that and more. She's also very confident, witty and influential.
The fact that she's all that while still being the "over sexualized male fantasy" that social justice warriors hate in games just makes her perfect for the cause.
Not to mention, the game is damn fun as well and allows for high skill (a.k.a. "hardcore) play. Which I think would fit with Vivian's idea of "it doesn't matter what you are, just play fun video games."
how could I possibly forget the best neologism of 2012
I agree he is attempting to be professionally dispassionate, but I don't agree that these games journalists are harmless. They're basically being a giant red herring, and they don't criticize triple AAA or its business practices, they frequently contribute to hyping it up. But, alongside this, they hype up shitty indie games with an agenda.
So they are all around a toxic trash heap. They hardly contribute to improving the hobby as far as we are concerned, and do more to damage it. And it is all because of this weird tangent they are on in which some of their like minded writers have said they think "gamers" should dissapear, and now with that latest article suggesting that games should stop trying to be fun and start trying to be enlightening. It would be hilarious if it wasn't astonishing how pervasive this kind of thinking is in the biggest game news sites on the internet. The only reason I'm still dropping into these threads is because it is endlessly shocking what lunatics these people are.
I think they are genuinely people who wanted to become talking heads and propagandists for culture change through professional media, but they didn't make they cut so they ended up in video games. I know that has been said before, but that seems to really be the case. They don't give a shit about games. They just want it to be some sort of self-righteous social battleground with their own museum in 20 years exhibiting the struggle in games media during the bigoted 2000s.
MundaneMatt - I know you lurk these. You should try to put together and drop a short one, to amplify the final IA vid - things are moving, pax is happening and it's hashtag dead time.
We can take trending hard if we all land the final move perfectly right now.
One tweet each, that's all we need. Be the hero /v/ needs tonight, on #gamergate.
The fire rises brothers; are you smoke or flame?
What about Christina Sommer or is that pushing it?
You're doing great anon.
Your face when this was the best IA yet about this subject
I wouldn't blame them if they all threw their hands up into the air, yelled "FUCK IT," and just left to actually play games instead of getting worked up over massive controversy.
>Jayne is now somehow the hero of the video game industry
What the fuck has even been happening in the past 2 weeks? I've voluntairly removed myself from the shitstorm to protect my blood pressure, but holy fuck.
>using anything but triple ply, folded as much as the situation requires
>getting shit on your fingers
>even by letting liquid soak through
NOT HAPPENING. MY FINGERS ARE SHIT-FREE.
i think more representation of women/ethic minorities in games would be great and honestly think it will eventually happen. i also want to retain the makers of the games right to produce what they envisioned without being censored by a community who come off as puritanical bullies. got not problem with the cause but quite a big problem with the means and the people going about trying to achieve it.
>But how many are NOTABLE actually good games
this isnt the issue though. The issue is that character design seems to default to straight and white and when a character isnt these things
>instead of making a gay character that's just flamboyantly gay or has sex with everything like something from Bioware
not to mock you but this kind of thing gets brought up even when being gay is only mentioned when prompted
THE HERO OF /v/idya THE MAN THEY CALL JAYNE (Adam Baldwin)
I just finished the knew internataristocrat. I could listen to this motherfucker talk all day. The amount of people that got BTFO just blows my mind. He should just start his own goddamn website since he actually puts in fucking work.
>talk sense with reasonable people
there are no reasonable people here. just ants fighting over breadcrumbs and thinking they're changing the world for it.
if you're talking about the 300+ post thread about Anita being chased out of her home by death threats, i am not impressed
Fair point, tho I remain firm on my opinion that they will keep having next to no effect on vidya itself. Vidya is based around consumption, and vidya journalism, infested with SJW bullshit or not, is bound to be largely a glorified ad campaign.
Amen to that.
> SJWs say only females get harassed on voice chat as soon as they speak
> Men obviously don't have this problem with their VoIP privilege
> I get shat on anytime I open my mouth because I'm Mexican
Who will fight for me?
here's the issue
there are actually LOADS of games with great female characters and protagonists. but women dont buy them. WE buy them and support them and then they turn around and go "Oh well look! MEN ARE PLAYING IT! IT MUST BE FOR MEN! NOT US!"
So it's an eternal catch 22, either we dont buy gam,es with fermale protagonists and they blame us for not supporting them, or we do and they claim it must have been made for men, with thought crime nonsense arguments.
This isnt even something unique to gaming, there's a whole bunch of cartoons and comics that have tried to create something for women, but women dont support it, when men do, same bullshit.
The content creators end up just appealing to men anyway because thats where all the money is coming from and then women complain about that even more.
One final note of strategy... everyone at PAX is rip roaring drunk.
All can be ready to say something stupid right now - lovely screencapable shit.
So don't troll, but start loads of conversations. Drunks on cell phones give great imgur
ANITA SARKEESIAN BEING PROVEN WITH EVIDENCE THAT CANNOT BE DENIED BEING SHOWN ON INTERNET ARISTOCRATS NEW VIDEO
WE'RE COMING FOR YOUR HEAD, ANITA!
THE FIRE RISES
IA really saying all my feelings regarding Kain's very disappointing article. We've pretty much thrown it away and never talked about it, but goddamn I was so disappointed by it, I thought it would've been a big stepping stone back in the dark ages of this issue.
Bingo. Make them good and well written characters and NO gamer will ever complain about not playing as "big bad buff white marine guy." Fuck, man, I hate that trope too, unless it's intentionally used as A. satire, or B. misdirection.
Representation was never an issue, games had characters that were of all races and genders appropriate to the intent of their designer.
Normals and SJW made it an issue because they dont play videogames, its only the popular stuff that they look at and ask "where are the black/gay/trans/female characters". Even badly done caricatures are ignored for the sake of "representation".
Honestly, they're the only website I don't avoid. Mostly because they report the facts, and not opinions. I think I've only seen one article about women in video games or something but that's it. They don't do opinion pieces probably because they are such a huge site that doesn't need click bait articles.
Thinking about it though, aren't TFYC trying to remain somewhat neutral in the public's eyes?
I'm a little surprised they want to put such a visible face on raising awareness about the issues of GamerGate - at least, without watering it down to an large degree.
#GamerGate has become a canvas for SJWs to paint caricatures and build strawmen on. Their numbers are too great and their heads too dense. Why are we even bothering at this point?
SITUATION UPDATE: IMMEDIATE THREAT
I'm back from the meet with Zoe's friend and there's some insanity coming. What I'm about to tell you sounds so farfetched....here goes. Zoe Quinn is going forward staging a fake attack on herself tomorrow. All through the night she will be contacting media and journalists telling them how a 'group of white male gamers' assaulted her.
A youtuber gamer name will be dropped as will two or more twitter posters that she will 'overhear being spoken about' during her attack. My source tells me these people were picked because they're transparent in their real names and as gamers in their profiles.
Now for the unbelievable part. Zoe will return to Pax monday with fx bruises and damage, taking the stage with Anita Sarkeesian along with journalists from gaming sites like Kotaku and Gamasutra, but also news sites like the Washington Post and SJW/feminists they've flown in that are well known.
Together they will denounce the term 'gamer' because it refers to a violent, misogynistic, white male demographic and replace the term with one of that only Anita and Zoe know of and have personally created. The term will have a dual feminine meaning but have an extra letter at the end that distinguishes it. Zoe will speak about the horrors of her attack by the hands of 'gamers' so the term will be vilified by the world press much like if you called someone a sexual predator.
I can't even begin to fathom something like this happening but if true will destroy gaming for the male population forever. I'll report back with any new information.
>all that erik kain hate in this video
Honestly I'm laughing my ass off about it. He was the only writer that /v/ had almost unanimously agreed was good, and he was nonexistent during this whole debacle. When /v/ needed him most he was not there. I'm glad he's getting shit from IA, and I hope he watches this video.
HEIL 4CHAN THE UNHOLY HYDRA OF MISOGYNY
Holy shit. drunk SJWs trolling #gamergate, speeding it up faster. And every time they troll it all their friends go "what's this #gamergate drama?" and see it.
>people point out bs in gaming journalism
>no, no, nothing to see here, ignore it, there's no story here, you're just a loser nerd if you read into it, fuck gamers, I hate gamers, gamers are dead now!
How did a PR company this shitty get to be so powerful?
>there are no reasonable people here.
I know how you feel man, we've felt like why-am-I-wasting-time-here and whatnot. Hell, I do that every other week. But there are reasonable people left in just about anywhere but the absolute extremes And for all its concentration of stormteens, 4chan is far, far from being actually politically extremist.
>there are actually LOADS of games with great female characters and protagonists
there aren't even loads of games with great male characters and protagonists, how the fuck could there be loads of games with great female characters and protagonists
or are you the kind of moron who plays a JRPG and looks at the cross-eyed love interest and go "WHAT A GREAT FEMALE CHARACTER AND AN EXCELLENT TREATMENT OF THE FEMALE PERSPECTIVE"
>there's a whole bunch of cartoons and comics that have tried to create something for women, but women dont support it, when men do, same bullshit.
Teen Titans and Young Justice got cancelled because too many girls were into it. Dont just blame women, blame the people in charge who keep females out. I think Adventure was going that way as well but I didnt look too far into that one
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Just a reminder that homophobia and transphobia is fine as long as its towards gamers
Reminder to ignore retarded attentionseekers who only want to be noticed. Look at the shit they tweet before trying to respond to them because all they'll do is shit on you and make themselves look better for their followers.
It's like Manlet Tears, just fucking don't.
The thing is that IGN's relationship to publishers is different since they're in the big boys' league.
On sites like Polygon it's more like the school years with everyone having their own cliques.
I don't think you understand what a piece "mating on its own" means in the context of chess. The queen is the only piece that controls the unoccupied spaces around the King. She mates.
You know, you guys keep saying that this is about journalistic integrity, corruption, nepotism etc... and not about MRM senselessly shitstorming with SJW like the media is portraying it... and I want you to be right about that.... but a simpe word count of this thread would lead one to think otherwise
>SJW+Social Justice 20+3
>Women+Bitch (when not used to refer to >another man) 15
>transparet+ transparency 0
>that Keighley 5 Guys drop at the end
oh my god
I guess I'll pick it up whenever the fuck I finish CCS.
While looking for an image to post I realized I need to watch wixoss too, fuck.
I'm not trying to sound like a shill, search #GamerGate on Twitter and see what the retards are posting. This is the side with the most people on their side because of "muhsogyny." This is exhausting.
>The part where explains how journos shat themselves as soon as Adam "Fucking" Baldwin fanned the flames because they've never had to deal with someone more popular than they are before
Fucking perfect. The worst thing about these cunts is that if they start to lose an argument all they ever do is hit a retweet button and get their whiteknights to shout them down.
>IGN clean in this situation
>monetary bribes are okay though
Because even dirty money isn't as dirty as Zoey's vag.
>Normals and SJW made it an issue because they dont play videogames
Not entirely true, I'm not a 'normal' and I think it's kind of an issue. Not a huge life changing game ruining issue but i'd love to see more female characters.
but i'd love to see better stories and writing in general too
Assume this is true for a moment.
What could we do to prevent this from happening according to their plan?
I want to believe. This would be pure dramedy gold.
Not him but I'm working on a list and happened to see your post so I might as well share what I've got so far.
-Metroid 2: 1991
Popful Mail: 1995
Donkey Kong Country 2: 1996
Mischief Makers: 1997
Parasite Eve: 1998
Dino Crisis: 1999
Perfect Dark: 2000
Summoner 2: 2002
Panzer Dragoon Orta: 2002
Beyond Good & Evil: 2003
You're absolutely right about there being very few games with great male characters and protagonists as well. And there are honestly much fewer games with the female versions. But I've always felt like it's important to show people the existing examples so that they can get examples of GOOD GAMES.
He tweeted in support of Zoe and her clique early on into this whole debacle. he has probably never met them or anything, but that along with some previous SJW-esque tweets/articles/etc make him a bit worrisome + he's annoying in general
>And for all its concentration of stormteens, 4chan is far, far from being actually politically extremist
i do not think that 4chan is politically extremist. i think that 4chan is primarily built up of sheltered upper class kids who got pushed into too many lockers and got laughed at by too many cheerleaders and now they live that perspective into their adult lives. sometimes that manifests into screaming about niggers and jews like dear old dad, who kept Baby Anonymous in video games, did. more often it manifests in shitting the bed about chicks.
If he does this this shit, its going to backfire so hard
ANITA SARKEESIAN'S SHILLING EXPOSED IN THIS VIDEO WITH ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM FOR REBUTTAL
THE FIRE RISES!!!!
YOUR HEAD IS OURS, ANITA!
IA's just disappointed that Erik isn't becoming an embedded reporter during the war, and is instead choosing to report after it's over. Which is probably smart since no one in the industry is going to play ball and he's going to be doing glorified blogging like everyone else if he just reports on tweets and conjecture.
I don't believe it but i agree, screencap it. Still, someone could have done a crime and then posted this too, so it's not great evidence if it happens. (not that it will, this looks like bs, but if it did this wouldn't stop it because poster is anonymous and therefore could be criminal and or jebus.)
No, twitter does also just have a huge fucking tumblr activist community. This is why they always pull off these dumb hashtag stunts.
Reddit, for example, is almost entirely in our favor.
No, we won, this is desperate as hell. If this is true we will have proof, we have had this posted for at least a day now. If this is real, we will have won without a shadow of a doubt. I hope this is true because if it is, police will get involved. And she can go to jail. if they are sent these screen caps, they will know she is full of it and she will go to jail, no one will believe her, let alone anyone that supports her, the key being Anita. If this is true, we win, we win and theres not a god damn thing Zoe, Anita, or anyone of the others can do.
>search #GamerGate on Twitter and see what the retards are posting
>"all gamers should be executed for being shits that don't contribute to society in any way"