So, we know that Samus's hands fit FAIRLY snugly into the "hands" of the powersuit. Give or take a couple inches, and obviously her right hand only going so far due to her Arm Cannon. But be that as it may, for all intents and purposes, the gloves are basically snug.
Now, when you see the Powersuit, you'll notice that it's proportions are that of the average human being. The way the arms fall in length in comparison to the overall height show this clearly.
Now, wouldn't this information go to suggest that the feet and legs fit just about as snugly as the arms and hands do? If there was a bunch of extra space at the bottom of the legs, then the arms would be disproportionately small. But they aren't, so we easily gather that the lower half of the Powersuit fits the same way.
Now, from many-a-source we know the Powersuit is (roughly) between 6'0" and 6'3". But for this instance let's use the Metroid 2 manual that states that the suit at it's full height is 6'3". Due to the proportionate nature of the suit, of course accounting for variation, and the probable small amount of lift at the feet, as you would have with any footwear, we can determine that Samus (Before Other M of course. Other M retconned everything I'm saying.) is somewhere between 5'10" and 6'1".
For anyone that is bizarrely angry at this, again, keep in mind as of MO:M, Samus has now been retconned to be 5'5".
Super Metroid manual says she's 6'0, 200 pounds. I don't give a shit what M:OM says. It's a shit game that, if we take it as canon, invalidates almost every other game.
I honestly do not know why we have these discussions anymore. I have no idea why OP bothered to try to guess her height when her height is clearly stated in what is considered the series defining game.
>making any inferences about Samus' height from the manuals
The Metroid 2 manual, which says her suit is 6'3", also says the Chozo are a mysterious race no one has ever encountered. The Nintendo Power feature, which says Samus herself is 6'3", is from the same magazine that printed a bunch of dumb non-canon shit about a variety of franchises. There is no concrete canon height for Samus, and there never has been. The best you could do is base it off the size of the morph ball, but even then its scale changes all the time.
OP, that's pretty much what I always thought. A lot of people mistake the SUIT'S stats from the Metroid 2 maual (6'3") to be Samus' own height because that Nintendo Power page showed her with the suit half-off.
That said, I don't like the idea of a hunky and tall Samus anyway.
The Super Metroid manual doesn't say shit, I have it right here. What you're talking about is a page from some Nintendo magazine that took the info from the Metroid 2 manual, and in that one the stats are heavily implied to include the suit.
>in that one the stats are heavily implied to include the suit
No they aren't, it outright says they're talking about her "without the suit". It doesn't fucking matter, though, because both sources are from back before Nintendo had any clue what they were doing with Metroid's canon.
Or you could just go look at in game comparisons in every game but other m, which all show her taller than everyone
Why doesn't Link wear a winter hat when he goes to any icy areas
Here's my theory, and it's a real simple one: Localization.
Americans have different average heights than Japanese. If we assume that the Japanese devs are basing Samus on their own demographics, her being 5'5" would actually put her at or above the height for average Japanese men, making her a tall Japanese woman.
In order for Samus to be considered a "tall" woman in America, the localization team would have to adjust her height so she's taller than the average American man, at 6'0".
But now in our modern internet age, things are localized a lot more directly and less is able to be slipped past consumers, so they just go with the Japanese measurements. But to Americans, this is a sudden shock because we were always told Samus is 6'0" so that we would perceive her as being tall just like the Japanese do at 5'5".
tl;dr - This is a problem of old-style localization versus modern localization. Samus at 5'5" is tall for a Japanese woman, and Metroid is made by Japanese people. The numbers were changed to invoke the same perceptions in other areas of the world where people are taller.
This: >>260724312 is from the Super Metroid NINTENDO BRAND player's guide.
Why do people get so autistic about Samus's body, jesus christ she isn't consistent between any game because it isn't supposed to matter this much.
She was literally crotch height in MP2.
Sakamoto went full retard and retconned himself 4 times over.
I don't think I've ever seen this word used, in my entire life, outside of baseless accusations against people who want Samus to be tall.
In Fusion she was shown as being slightly taller than Federation troops (quite a bit taller if you assume that Samus' head is in her helmet but the Fed troops probably don't have the tops of their heads all the way at the top of their helmets). Other M is simply fucked.
I like this idea of the power suit a lot better because at least then ball form makes sense even to dumb people. Plus she could be big enough to just punch Ridley in his stupid dragon beak.
I said "taller than the average male at 6'0"." That means she is 6'0" and that height is above average for a male.
Average height among all American males is 5'10".
Average height among all American females is 5'4".
In America, Samus being 5'5" makes her about average female height. Being 6'0" puts her above average even for men.
In Japan, where the average male height is 5'7", making her 5'5" makes her on par with men, and about 2-3 inches taller than the average Japanese woman.
Demographics make a really big difference in perception of a character's measurements and attributes, because everyone naturally compares that to what they see around them in daily life.
>tl;dr - This is a problem of old-style localization versus modern localization. Samus at 5'5" is tall for a Japanese woman, and Metroid is made by Japanese people. The numbers were changed to invoke the same perceptions in other areas of the world where people are taller.
Samus is 6'2" (still implied to be while in the suit IIRC) in the Jap version of the Metroid 2 manual though.
How is this even a discussion. The original Japanese manual for Metroid 2 says the suit is 6'3". Which would obviously make Samus not much shorter than that.
Not to mention her height is near PERFECTLY consistent throughout all the games (except for MOM), as is her comparable size to other, recurring characters and creatures that we DO know the height of.
The ONLY difference in height in the series is a single minor variation; in Super, the morph ball mode is slightly shorter than the morph balls of every other game.
Pre-Other M Samus was real fucking tall. I don't get how retards even argue this.
>The original Japanese manual for Metroid 2 says the suit is 6'3"
People keep saying this, yet no one will post actual scans from the Japanese manual. They keep posting scans from the American manual.
>tfw no femdom big girl samus
I don't know why people keep bringing up that manual for Metroid 2 when the game itself shows that Samus outside of her suit is taller than the power suit itself, it's completely inconsistent and untrustworthy with its fucking self
You're only proving that her proportions changed. Also, it's demonstrable in-game that Other M Samus is shorter relative to her suit than your image claims.
I want her to sit on my face.
And I want to lick her bodysuit after a long day's work, and sniff it too.
I want to lick her boots.
Okay, is there anyone who truly really genuinely thinks Samus wasn't tall pre-Other M?
This is a real question. I'm not talking about super specifics here. I just want to know if a real human being holds that opinion.
Except it's the prime 3 model, the other m model and both overlayed on the smash 4 model.
If prime 3 is taller than other m, then it should be taller than smash too, but both are bigger than prime 3.
haha what the fuck dude
i'm 5'10", white, and american. i'd consider myself average height where i live.
when i went to europe, i was hard-pressed to find many men taller than me
You know you aren't countering anything because Samus is being compared to herself, not to other characters, her body proportions in Smash 4 are the same as on other m, you can stop backpedalling.
>Metroid threads will never be spent talking about how awesome it is to venture on Planet Zebes, and instead autistic manlets arguing over how many inches their headcanon amazons should have
HOLY SHIT HOW DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW LITTLE SENSE THAT MAKES
IF YOU COMPARE SAMUS TO HERSELF, IT IS POINTLESS, BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE WORLD AND THINGS AROUND HER ARE WHAT DETERMINES THE REAL SIZE THAT SHE IS.
BY COMPARING A SAMUS TO A SAMUS ALL YOU'RE DOING IS FIGURING OUT HOW TALL THE MODEL IS.
No it isn't, you are objectively wrong and a horrible troll. This is fucking fourth grade math.
What you are doing is drawing a line and saying "that's at a thirty degree angle". No it isn't. You haven't drawn the second line. You're just making shit up.
That isn’t counter proof of anything because it's showing you are in denial about Samus in other m being taller than Samus in prime 3.
The heads are evenly matched up, same as the eye line, it's a fair and unbiased comparison and itresults in other m being taller.
It's funny how you are having such a hard time dealing with the truth.
He's making fun of you because your logic makes no goddamn sense.
All you've successfully done is determine what model used the most polygons and what not. Without a non-Samus "control" object/creature, your test falls flat on it's face.
Not to mention we have objective, confirmed heights for Samus pre-MOM and post-MOM, so this isn't even a discussion, and OP is dumb for bringing it up.
She was tall, now she is short.
Are you an idiot and incapable of direct comparison?
Both the heads are perfectly inline, meaning matched up eye line and head, the heads also clearly show they are consistent with the helmet size of the power suit, the prime 3 body is proven smaller from this sheer fact.
No one is trolling anyone, you need to stop with your denial.
>and a change of clothes. Well, she is a girl remember.
>He's making fun of you because your logic makes no goddamn sense.
No he's desperately trying to discredit fact because he's in denial.
Both Other M and Prime 3 Samus have their heads exactly lined up, the constant to measure their heads is the power suit helmet, which both fit into exact the same.
This also clearly shows Other M Samus is taller than Prime 3 Samus, from the basic facts.
>All you've successfully done is determine what model used the most polygons and what not.
No, it clearly proves Other M is taller than Prime 3.
> confirmed heights for Samus pre-MOM and post-MOM
Oh you mean that same game Metroid 2 that states Samus is 6'3'' but then goes and shows her outside of her powersuit as being taller than when inside of the power suit? here>>260730450
Yes. The model is smaller. You are correct. Not the character. The literal video game character model is smaller than that other one, but you have failed to compare either to helpful things such as:
A) Try comparing the models next to GFed soldiers
B) Try comparing the models next to Ridley
C) Try comparing the Morph Ball models
It is mindboggling how you fail to grasp such a simple concept.
God bless you. I hope you get better.
>ITT: insecure manlets try to "prove" that Samus wasn't tall in every single game before Other M
Oh man, and they even got the mentally handicapped to try and defend something that doesn't need defending. And now everyone is mad!
Classic Metroid thread. Gotta love it.
>Not the character.
It's a model of the character meaning the height of the character is what the model is, meaning comparing the models directly gives us a fair comparison of their heights on those games, Other M is taller than Prime 3 Samus, this is a fact.
>but you have failed to compare either to helpful things such as
No, because I have compared it directly to the helmet which is a perfect constant to measure by.
>A) Try comparing the models next to GFed soldiers
>B) Try comparing the models next to Ridley
>C) Try comparing the Morph Ball models
All of these are completely irrelevant and not constants.
>It is mindboggling how you fail to grasp such a simple concept.
What is mindboggling is how hard you are in denial about Other M being taller than Prime 3 Samus.
Only one dense here are you retards desperate to try and discredit any fact because it paints Other M is a higher light than anything else, no one is saying Other M is good you fucking cunt, but it's a blatant fact that she is taller in Other M than in Prime 3, as the model 100% shows us that she is taller.
The helmet is the constant for which her head always fits inside, meaning both Samus heads simply have to fit inside the constant at the same size.
This shows Other M samus as taller.
Because she likes to go do adventures and stuff, when princesses are supposed to be at the castle learning to lead or whatever?
Or maybe it's saying that it's "part time" because she goes to save the prince and they marry at the end?
>Because she likes to go do adventures and stuff, when princesses are supposed to be at the castle learning to lead or whatever?
Yeah, but adventurer or not, she's still a princess. That status as "daughter of monarch" doesn't go a way just because you go out and explore.
>Or maybe it's saying that it's "part time" because she goes to save the prince and they marry at the end?
I guess? That's not really "part time" though, that's just promotion to Queen. That one fucking phrase is so confusing.
Let's say you have a stack of standard LEGO bricks, 6 bricks high. The standard unit of measurement is 1 brick, and everything is made of LEGO bricks.
Now let's say you make all of the bricks 50 times bigger, but the stack is still 6 bricks high. Using the standard brick measurement unit, is that stack taller than it was originally?
Before you go and fuck it all up, the answer is NO. The size of the bricks has changed relative to your perspective, but the scale of the brick world all increased together. The stack is still 6 bricks tall.
The MODEL is bigger, but if ALL the models are ALSO bigger, then the SCALE has changed and the CHARACTER is no taller than before.
I can't believe my mom stooped so low...
My mom called my doctor and said to him "what's the most accurate measurement for weighing?"
The doctor said "an underwater weighing test"
And just like that, my mom said "Yes. When can my son and my daughter take it" and the doc said "today at 2pm."
So I didn't bother taking a shower and so did my sister Samus too, so I had to get into a special swimming suit (tight pants ugh)
My sister said "Can I pull my hair down to a ponytail" the doctor said "no".
So my sister with her long, blonde hair went underwater with 8 seconds and she must enjoyed it... But I didn't.
ITT: Amazon fags getting BTFO by facts im sorry your waifu was never 6'3 fag
You have got to be trolling, but I actually think that you're not. It has already been explained why in crystal clear detail, if you still don't understand then I guess you're just going to have to be wrong forever.
Not that guy, but...
Metal Gear Solid 4.
Not a game, but Superior Spiderman basically ruined everything for like a year and a half.
Also not a game, but Legend of Korra ruined all avatar discussion forever.
Dude you are a fucking idiot, just stop.
In Prime 3 itself her ZS model is much smaller than her Prime 3 Power Suit model, it's not even consistent with itself, the very model it should be the same height as, if not only slightly smaller, but it's much much smaller.
Meanwhile the ZS Other M model matches up with the Power Suit Prime 3 models height.
Also compared to Smash 4 Power Suit, the Prime 3 Power Suit is the same height.
Also added to this, Prime 3 ZS model is much smaller than the Smash 4 Power Suit model, just like it's much smaller than the Prime 3 Power Suit model, and again reminder that Smash 4 Power Suit and Prime 3 Power Suit are in fact the same height.
Also the Other M ZS model is the same height as Prime 3 Power Suit, just like it is to the Smash 4 model.
You do know I've been talking about Samus outside of the suit being taller in Other M compared to Samus outside of her suit in Prime 3, right?
Her suits themselves are the same in Smash 4 and Prime 3 in height, yet outside of her suit Prime 3 Samus is shorter than Other M Samus outside of her suit.
The sheer fact that the head sizes are consistent literally proves it.
>. It has already been explained why in crystal clear detail
No such thing has every happened, all you have done is wallow in denial about a fact.
>if you still don't understand then I guess you're just going to have to be wrong forever.
I'm not the one taking it as hard as you that ZS Samus is taller in Other M than ZS Samus is in Prime 3.
Except I literally just posted proof in that gif
It directly overlayed Prime 3 Power Suit and the Smash 4 Power Suit and blatantly proves they are the same height with the same proportions on head, torso and legs, meaning the height is exactly the same.
Because you can fucking see it you idiot.
>what makes you think proportions directly dictate height?
The fact that their proportions are the fucking same is what proves they are the same, stop being deliberately obtuse.
All they did was rehash the same goddamn story for over a year; "uhh he's good i guess he saved that kid i dunno". Nothing interesting happened, and all that was left was fucking Peter-luck at the end. So dumb.
Plus, no one thought it was weird that he was acting so fucked? You have mindreaders. MIND. READERS. Use them.
Let me try to illustrate my point. Here's an image from the Smash series, which you seem to think is an accurate source. On the above image, the models are shown standing next to each other, at their normal heights. We can clearly see that Bowser is taller than Pokemon Trainer. On the bottom image, I have scaled Bowser so that his head is the same size as Pokemon Trainer's. Suddenly, he's tiny! Using nothing but the head size to determine a character's height leads to incorrect assumptions. You need a second object as a reference.
One fatal flaw you are ignoring is that Bowser has never been Red, so his head would never have been consistent or ever line up with Red, your argument is completely illogical and devoid of any actual argumentative reasoning, you don't even grasp what is being said to you.
Samus is being compared to SAMUS HERSELF, in her other appearances which factually prove Other M ZSS is taller than Prime 3 ZSS.
>Prime 3/Brawl Samus has an oversized animu head
>Other M Samus has more realistic proportions and high heels
>B-but I scaled them to the same size head!
It's because the models are different proportions, how do you still not understand this?
ZSS in Other M has smaller proportions and a smaller power suit to go with it. Thus the environment and other characters all appear much larger than her.
ZSS in Prime 3 is large but has a larger head as well, which makes it seem like she's shorter compared to OM when you ignore all game context. In-game it's blatantly obvious she's taller because you can see it when she's standing next to literally any other character.
Sakamoto wanted a cute little waifu, and he didn't how much of the canon or logic of the other games (or just common sense) he had piss all over to get it.
>ZSSfags arguing with other ZSSfags over how tall their waifu is
Of course they don't.
But Sakamoto couldn't have Samus looking his SI husbando in the eye. It might imply that they were equals.
>It's because the models are different proportions, how do you still not understand this?
Except no you literally retard
As the Powersuits already confirm, Prime 3 Powersuit is the same exact heigt in proportions too as Smash 4 Powersuit, the ZSS Samus should be the same height if not only slightly smaller than the Prime 3 Powersuit, but it's MUCH smaller than the Prime 3 Powersuit, meanwhile the Other M ZSS is the same heigt as the Prime 3 Powersuit and the Smash 4 Powersuit, meaning yes, Other M ZS Samus is taller than Prime 3 ZS Samus.
You have already been completely destroyed on this subject yet you still completely ignore these facts, stop living in denial already.
That's already proven wrong.
As even Metroid 2 itself has Samus outside of her powersuit being taller than Samus in her Powersuit, it's completely inconsistent with itself.
And guess what? After Other M is quietly swept under the carpet, there won't be one either.
Nintendo just needs to wait long enough so that a new Metroid game won't be associated with other M in the eyes of the consumer. And they definitely aren't going to let Sakamoto anywhere near the reigns of any new titles.
No one likes it, it sold terribly, and there hasn't been anything metroid related since, other than her appearance in Smash.
It's a shitty game and you are a fucking trash human being for fueling the pointless flames by using "primefag". I hope the flame spreads to your house and burns it to the fucking ground you son of a bitch.
Silly Anon. I'm not saying what should be, just what will be.
I'm just explaining that Other M was a critical and financial disaster for Nintendo. And no company will want future titles of a well-respected franchise to be associated with a stinker like Other M when the franchise has half a dozen other successful games with which to associate.
Your little waifu Sammy is going away, Anon. She's going away.
Reggie didn't seem to think so.
>"We believe that it could be, should be a million unit title. We’re not going to get there, not through the holiday. And we are doing a lot of thinking as to why."
>"have I read the same feedback that said, broadly, that the portrayal of Samus felt different than how the player in the past had internalized the character? I’ve heard and read the same feedback. Do I think it’s warranted or not? I’m not quite sure yet…"
Obviously there's some general PR bullshit in between about how the game is great and everyone should buy it, but Nintendo clearly knows people didn't like it.
>he thinks Smash is indicative of the direction the actual franchises will go
Okay guys, guys like
I got this, like guys
how about we
how about we stop this shit and wait for the next Metroid that's already in the making.
Even the first trailer for a new Metroid could be enough.
>Brawl uses the Zero Mission suit design
>no 2D Metroids are made at all
>Sm4sh uses the Other M suit design
>OTHER M 2 CONFIRMED
Great! So Hyrule Warriors Gannondorf of course looks like TP Gannondorf, right?
What's that? Assuming Sakurai's party game has any bearing on other main Nintendo titles is retarded?
We'll I'll be!
Seriously speaking though, designers don't need to justify why Samus looks more feminine and agile. It's within their own boundaries to do what they want. Much like the current generation of Pokemon which constantly get's labeled as being overdesigned and ridiculous. They can do whatever the hell they want; it's their shit after all.