>implying I was ever going to buy their game in the fitst place
Bought FC2 when I was playing on consoles, it was pretty fun. Torrented 3 because lolpc, it wasn't nearly as good. After what Ubisoft has been pulling on PC players over the past year or two I was never planning on supporting them in the first place.
>>260711391 It's their right to do that faggot. I hate SJW but I am in the group that believes that video games are a form of art and art should be used to deliver a message, no matter how much you might disagree with it.
>>260711836 I'm just stating that not much of value was lost. Also, the dev is obviously retarded if they end up putting something about "values" into a first person shooter. It's just not going to make a good game.
>>260712091 HUR DUR VIDEOGAMES ARE ART NO FAGGOT THEY ARE ENTERTAINMENT THEY MIGHT BE PRETTY OR EXCITING OR BEAUTIFUL BUT THEY ARE NOT ART ALSO FUCK OFF NOBODY WANTS DEVELOPER OPINIONS FORCED ON AUDIENCES YOU CUNTBURGER
I'm curious now, I wonder what kind of things are in there. Because honestly, Far Cry 3 could've gone the route of Muh Rich Tribal Culture, but all the natives in that game are actually deep down despicable people who I find impossible to relate with, and after forcing myself to finish the game I felt physically sick from all the muh tatau shenanigans. If that was deliberate or a result of purely bad writing I cannot say.
>>260712278 THEY CAN BE ART YOU FUCKING RETARD! MOVIES ARE CONSIDERED BOTH ART AND ENTERTAINING! ALSO DON'T LIKE WHAT THAT DEV REPRESENTS? DON'T FUCKING BUY IT! IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! THAT SPEAKS LOUDER THAN ANY OF YOUR BITCHING AT THEM WOULD DO. NIGGA YOU DUMB AS FUCK!
Why do so many posters in these SJW threads type like they are foreigners? It gives me the creepy impression that non-Americans care about this shit a disproportionate amount, which is weird because most of these companies and writers are American.
You know most of us here wouldn't care or even notice this shit if you faggots wouldn't keep sending every damn SJW and retarded quote to here. They are contained in their shitty bubble. Stop bringing that same bubble here so you can have a echo chamber.
Still, I'd actually believe that given that I cannot even see how you would work in an SJW story into a game about dudebro mercenaries killing each other. After all they do need to appeal to dudebros, and dudebros HATE SJWs.
>>260711391 What do you think all the gamergate threads have been about you shitlord? We're making journalists and people that support this kind of shit panic enough to call out for the "death" of "the identity of gamers"
>>260712690 YES BECAUSE VIDEOGAMES ARE SELLING AT CHRISTIES AM I RIGHT? NO THEY ARE MASS PRODUCED SHIT. JUST BECAUSE THEY HIRE AN "ARTIST" TO VISUALIZE THEIR IDEAS DOES NOT MEAN THAT VIDEOGAMES THEMSELVES ARE ART. THEY NEVER WILL BE ART. YOU MIGHT APPRECIATE A GAME OR PUT IT IN A CASE BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IT WILL NEVER BE RECOGNIZED AS SUCH. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU BUY IT OR NOT AS LONG AS PEOPLE CONTINUE TO LET THIS HAPPEN IT WON'T STOP. WE NEED TO PUT OUR FOOT DOWN ON DEVELOPERS SHOEHORNING THEIR BELIEFS ON US AND THEN CALLING US OUT AND PUTTING US DOWN WHEN WE DON'T AGREE. GET FUCKED NIGGER!!!
>>260712460 Have you considered this dev is misinterpreting the term "social justice?"
Or rather, that he's using it as a normal person not knee-deep in internet drama would? That is to say, "social justice = justice for people in a society"
Assuming FC4 will have a plot at least somewhat centered around the native Himalayan peoples being exploited...it makes sense that one of the main goals of the player will be to bring JUSTICE to that SOCIETY.
I don't expect Far Cry 4 to dig deep into gender norms and sexual identity – that tweet is probably just a dev who's been in isolation for a year coming on to Twitter, getting an incredibly vague sense of what's going on, and responding with the one thing he's most familiar with (i.e. FC4)
No harm no foul – you're probably just reading too much into it
>>260712137 If they are focusing on something like that in a genre that doesn't even call for it, then they are asking to make a shit game. If they wanted to put a message and some meaning into a game, then make a adventure game or visual novel so you can fit a bunch of text without sacrificing gameplay. The FPS audience is not even looking for this kind of shit.
Doesn't have to be horrible, sure if he goes full on tumblr cupcake-kin with pronouns and shit it'll be fucked up, but most likely his idea of "social justice" is just putting some gay people in and saying it's okay to be gay Remember, social justice isn't necessarily the same as the shit SJWs spout
>>260713171 there's a rumour floating around that ''Gaming journalist's'' from various 'Gaming news sites are going to announce some kind of brand they are going to try & collar the gamer identity with.
this is some fucking Illuminati style shit right here except with no fucking subtlety or class.
>>260712615 I really don't understand how wanting to save and protect a female is misogynistic, especially when that's what the game tells you is happening all the way up until the TWEEST ending. Patronizing maybe, but not misogynistic.
>>260713340 >Have you considered this dev is misinterpreting the term "social justice?" i have considered that, theres some circling funk flying around because of the term and i'm sure theres plenty of people who don't get the idea but need to get some trend-attention
>No harm no foul – you're probably just reading too much into it
a bit of poor phrasing on my part too. i'm just trying to say this tweet is obviously a case of trying to get some attention, he'll get some from both sides of the debate now
>Far Cry >A series whose only good entry was Blood Dragon >A game which got quite repetitive, with the writing being its strongest point. Thank fuck you could complete all the worthwhile stuff in no time at all.
>>260711095 The only reason to ever care about console Far Cry (as opposed to the original) was the map editor. But multiplayer in FC2 and 3 was so shit there was no point in making maps for it so no real community ever formed. And they obviously didn't understand the problem or they wouldn't have made the same mistake twice. I wouldn't be surprised if FC4 actually doesn't have the editor anymore.
So instead of making Far Cry what it should be it's now another generic Ubisoft open world game where you
>run/ride/drive to X, kill Y >collect X amount of feathers/flags/treasures/plants to get item Y >climb the towers to unlock the map >get XP for kills, more for headshots >one button does everything controls >bad vehicle controls >nu-"stealth" >watch loads and loads of motion captured cutscenes that tell a boring plot
>>260713220 The shooting was pretty fun in far cry 3, and there was plenty of enemies to shoot in interesting areas. And I can count on one hand the amount of shooters with a crafting system, what the hell are you on about there.
>>260713740 FC3 got a very mixed reception and lots of people were mad at how casual it was from day 1, some people loved it but the complaints about minimaps and collectathon shits, plus being 2easy, are long established
yea im sorry but the only time i will ever play a ubishit game is if the president of ubisoft comes to my house blows me and then pays me $20 an hour to play their shit games then i may play another one
watchdogs was the biggest piece of shit i have ever played and i will never consider buying a ubishit product again
>not realizing this is the best thing that could ever happen
Better a shit series like FC to test the waters out than anything else. These guys are pandering their games to the wrong crowd. Basically, these guys will alienate their own market, and when no one's left EVERYONE will realize SJW don't even play games and stop giving a shit.
You know what? Fine, if they want to play it like that then I will treat women like I treat men. I will treat them rough, and if they give me shit I will beat the hell out of them.
What these stupid idiots don't realize is that there is a reason that women are treated special, it's because they are physically (and mentally on an emotional level) weaker than men. If we treated women like we treat men, then they would be in for a real bad time because they would not be able to handle it.
Excellent. Let them do that, that way the fools who think games are a tool to look hip instead of for fun will all flock to this new Thinking Gamer brand.
Gaming never needed a media identity in the first place, you play videogames for fun and for great experiences and you share them and your opinions on them with people who are interested in discussing about it. We've been the scorn of the world for quite some time, what can a handful of jornalists with strings hanging from the Social Justice Army's fingers do?
>>260713120 SEE THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE IS THE REASON THE TERRORISTS ARE FUCKING WINNING! ARE YOU A FUCKING AND NIGGER? YOU SEEM TO HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND OTHER OF OUR AMERICAN RIGHTS THAT WE ENJOY! VIDEO GAMES ARE ART AND IF THEY ARE USED TO PUSH SOME SORT OF IDEOLOGY YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, TOO FUCKING BAD IT'S WHAT OUR BOYS DIED IN THE WAR FIGHTING FOR! MAYBE YOU SHOULD FUCK OFF, YOU COMMIE PIECE OF SHIT! DON'T TREAD ON ME!
>>260714241 1488 YOU KIKE SEWER SHIT! AMERICA WAS NEVER GREAT AND ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU GIVING INTO THE ILLUMINATI SOCIAL CONTROL "SJW" THAT IS CAUSING THE DOWNFALL OF WHAT USED TO BE NICHE ENTERTAINMENT. IT IS THANKS TO YOU SPECIFICALLY THAT WE SEE THE RISE OF THE GAMER GURL AND HER ARMY OF FEMINIST CUNTS WHO MANIPULATE AND DESTROY MENS LAST HOBBY. WHY ANON, WHY DIDNT YOU LISTEN TO HITLER?
>>260713812 Not him but I agree that video games are art. Hell it's a combination of many arts and teams. However that doesn't mean everything made is quality art, and this is a perfect example. This tweet shows that it's probably not going to be done well because it's going to be shoehorned in. This is not making a message, it's just pandering (not that pandering is a bad thing) to a very vocal minority so they can get praise.
I'm against corruption and unprofessionalism in the industry and thus I've been supportive of the recent anti-Zoe shitstorm.
But to get mad at shit like this is retarded. Creators can do whatever they fucking want with their work and push whatever agenda they see fit. Don't be so entitled as to think all games have to pander to you and your interests. Different people game for different reasons. Some want an escape from reality without shit like this, some want "Art" with a message, and some (like me) want a variety.
Since there is no evidence of gameplay being hurt by this, I could not care less about this and neither should you really unless you are a /pol/fag.
>>260714923 Far Cry 3's premise was that you and your dudebro friends get trapped on an island with pirates and crazy people after you land on the wrong island while skydiving. From there the protagonist has to learn to survive on an island filled with pirates.
>>260714923 >Didn't it have a real "edgy" premise and villain, or something?
They killed him after the first half of the game. It really was just a generic shooter, it's combat was meh, didn't really drive me to complete many side missions, and the enemies were fairly easy. It's like the AI quality declined since FC2, a game where you could literally stand at the back of a hallway, and the enemies would rush through it to try and kill you.
>>260712615 >>260714289 But the irony is that while it's a subversion of expectations, it's not an original idea. It's the same Femme Fatale/ Black Widow trope that they specifically talk about being a bad thing.
As someone who was raised being taught that women are worth of special respect and that it is very rude and improper to yell or lift a hand against women because abusing those weaker than you is cowardly, you get to be yelled at both by the Social Justice Army that calls me white cis scum for implying that women can't lift their own weight around, and by men who call me a beta.
At least videogames are fun. Far Cry 4 probably won't be an incredibly good one, but if it's reasonably good and not full to the brim with feminist pandering while ignoring the obvious and far more relevant themes of civil war, I might pick it up in a sale at some point after pirating it first
>>260713740 FC3 was good, but the pacing was atrocious. The only redeemable character is killed on the first island, and then you still have another one to explore while the game tries to make you care about brunette and stubbly bearded antagonist #267.
>>260715238 It's not "art with a message". It's pandering. It's pointless political bullshit forcefully inserted into a game where it has no place, in order to make a small minority of people who agree with the ideology happy.
>>260715595 I was raised in that way too, these idiotic SJW's do not realize that there is a very good reason why that is the case. It's because women are actually weaker and this has been proven scientifically a number of times. Sexual dimorphism is an actual thing, and insisting that women should be treated the same as men is more worthy of the label of misogny than anything given on average how men treat each other.
Feminists really do not understand the implications of what they are asking for.
The only reason this bothers me is because they felt the need to tell us. If you want to make a game with women I don't care I'll probably play it assuming I like the series. If you want to take out hos. I don't care.
Don't put yourself on some fucking high horse because you're "daring" to use female /gay/whatever characters you obnoxious fucks. Just make a good game.
>>260715925 Dude, no one cares if someone blocked you on Twitter. Holy shit, "the opposition," get over yourself. It's the equivalent of hanging up on someone you don't want to talk to and it makes you look like a huge baby to complain about it.
>>260714617 Holy shit, what? You want every game to remain COMPLETELY NEUTRAL on every interesting question it asks? That makes the game world incredibly fucking bland! It's more interesting when the game DOES have a side on a matter. This is one of the reasons why Bioshock 1 was so praised- it didn't just stay silent on Randian Objectivism, it picked a side and then showed the consequences OF picking that sad.
Wanting every game to be like CNN just makes that game too scared to say what's on its mind. And it's a fucking terrible way of thinking.
An author of a book is often encouraged to convey own message is his work.
A director of a film is often encouraged to convey his own message is his work.
An an artist is often encouraged to convey his own message is his work.
Why does is suddenly become unacceptable with video games? Why does every game have to be turn your brain off entertainment? It seems to me that most of you don't even believe what you are saying, you just hate this particular viewpoint and are being massively hypocritical because of it.
>>260716615 It depends. A game that asks interesting questions and takes a side IS better than a game that asks interesting questions, takes no side, and does not explore the issues in a compelling way. But a game that asks interesting questions in a way that compels the player to make their own decision about the issue in a way the game doesn't force on you is the ultimate.
How about instead you use your own brain and make a list of games you don't think are fun and have too much social justice shenanigans in them? Blindly following what someone on /v/ says is not much better than blindly following the Social Justice Army in everything they do
When the big companies take up their roots to green pastures and vidya aint "cool" anymore the faggots, sjw, casual gamers will disappear. And a new golden age will begin where the remaining devs HAVE to make games for the old original crowd
Philosophy/Econ fag here, it had little to do with Randian Objectivism as the game never actually addressed what Objectivism had to do with from an epistimological standpoint. It basically just addressed that HURRR AYN RAND SAID GREED IS GOOD IN ATLAS SHRUGGED! It's clear Levine and the writers did not know what the fuck they were talking about, and while Rand is a shit-tier philosopher having Levine and his cronies do a shitty job of addressing it and using blatant strawmen is even worse. It's clear that Levine is an uninformed hack as are most vidya developers.
Even still it was rather neutral as it portrayed both sides as kind of shit, especially in Bioshock Infinite.
Honestly, I'd rather have a game that does not attempt to address anything and have fun than have a game that does it poorly and shows just how uninformed/uneducated yet opinionated/fedorian these devs are. There is nothing more frustrating than a pretentious retard that wants to pretend he knows what he's talking about.
>>260712615 So they didnt need help with their whole island being under pirate control and their neighboring island being under private military control? They could have handled it despite having no territory left and no way of communication throughout the island?
From the beta, my impression is: The gameplay is the blandest shit in the world. It's literally click and point the game. Any mobile game you play will have better gameplay. AI is so shit that any /AGDG/ dev could make a better one Apparently the development team focus all their effort on muh social justice agenda and absolutely nothing on gameplay.
It's going to be the usual round table of bullshit like:
>WOMEN ARE TREATED POORLY IN 3RDWORLDCOUNTRYSTAN >GAY PEOPLE ARE OPPRESSED >I AM A TRANSSEXUAL CHARACTER. REAL TRANSSEXUALS WON'T TELL YOU THEY'RE TRANSSEXUAL BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE POINT BUT I WAS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND TRANSSEXUALS. >LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER WE ARE THEN THE STRAIGHT WHITE MEN WHO ARE THE MAIN ANTAGONISTS OF GAME
THis is not deep philosophy, they're not taking some contrarian strance or portraying a negative future from social justice bullshit.
They're just pandering to a group of people that some slick haired faggot has told them is a "potential goldmine". And now when the game comes out the "journalists" will bathe in ad money and circle jerk about how good the diversity in the game is, a few SJWs will pick it up to show support, a few casuals will pick it up because they liked FC3 but in the end it's going to suffer from this SJW shit being shoe horned in.
Mark my fucking words, however they deal with this social justice shit they're writing in it's going to be heavy handed, 100% positive for diversity and what not and it's not going to push the envelope in any way. At least being neutral gives you a chance to show both sides, this is going to be literally just agreeing with what most people in the develop world already say.
I did the first mission of each of the submission categories before realising I'm going to be doing this shit for multiple hours, over and over a fucking gain so I uninstalled. Glad I didn't buy that shit.
>>260711391 Protip: Don't let the Californian Indie Gaming Clique control the gaming news!
They only pick SJW friendly games, and bully publishers.
As a dev in the Austin dev scene that popped up around id Software: We've been pissed for years about this.
We will end These SJWs, this is how deep it goes. Our master stroke has been played.
Indie games are not shitty pixel platformers, but that's all you hear about. You hear about how "small" the clique is of indie gamers? NO. It's lies. We just stopped going to PAX because it's a SJW indoctrination camp.
Wake the fuck up, and look around. We diposed those fuckers. The "gamers are dead" articles are a pouting "fuck gamers then" attempt to maintain control of the narrative, but it failed.
Come on now. Go search out developer forums.
Go to Gamedev.net, do a rollcall of indie devs. Go to TIGSource, and lots of other sites where we congregate.
We've been PAYING LP'ers just to get our games out because the west coast shills won't let good games in.
You think Depression Quest is shitty?
Go look up the shenanigans around Flappy Bird. Shilled like crazy with "it will destroy your life" "satan" etc. reviews. and it wasn't just the one game, it was MULTIPLE GAMES BY THE SAME AUTHOR GETTING INCREASES AT THE SAME TIME.
Why won't the markets themselves tell you that they've been gamed? Why does mainstream game journalism not paint Flappy Birds as anything other than a ripoff?
The same reason they don't say bad shit about Depression Quest.
And you shills reading this, the west coast indie clique too. It's over for you. STFU and GTFO, or we're coming for the big guys next. ABC, CBS, etc. These shitholes are SJW heavy as fuck too, and you know it.
It's over for these SJWs. The market is now controlled by guerrillas. If you ad companies don't realize what's up, it'll be over for ALL of you too.
>>260717182 If you think being blocked is proof of anything other than someone thinking you are annoying and not worth talking to, you are a faggot of the highest order. Not to mention it's narcissistic as fuck to be like "GUYS LOOK WHAT JUST HAPPENED TO ME, I REALLY SCARED THEM HUH?"
>>260717452 >But a game that asks interesting questions in a way that compels the player to make their own decision about the issue in a way the game doesn't force on you is the ultimate.
This is one of my biggest problems with games where you have a "choice". The choices rarely actually allow you to carve out a distinct position on an issue in the game without the game still telling you which position was "right". Fallout/Bethesda games are generally good about this, but it's not that common.
For most games it's "You can make this choice or that... but we'll be sure to force down your throats beforehand which choice is good and which one is EVUL". That shit isn't good art. It doesn't stimulate thought. It tells you what to think.
>>260717338 >Why does is suddenly become unacceptable with video games?
It shouldn't be, but it probably has to do with the overall maturity of most people who play games and the way devs portray their message. Look at Ken Levine and Infinite. There's nothing subtle or mature about shoehorning "racism is bad, don't throw things at this interracial couple!" into the first five minutes of the game and then moving on to something else. It makes people who claim the story is deep and mature look retarded.
When developers start handling mature themes like other mediums, things will change, but those times are few and far between.
I miss the time when the "biggest threat to videogames" was actually a videogame genre growing too big and bloated and bringing imbalance to the industry. It happened to the FPS genre, and if I recall correctly it happened to DOTA/LoL as well. This sort of thing has very little to do with actual videogames
That nonsensical plot? The one where the world economy fell and no one did anything? The one where the oil companys apparently hate making money because they decided "OH lets raise the cost per gallon to $20 despite the cost of living remaining unchanged! That's Sure to work!"
Yeah, hamfist your social commentary in, I'm sure given the track record that it'll be better than kicking down doors: the game.
>>260711095 >Hey guys, if you don't agree with my controversial opinions, you probably won't want to buy this game! Just a heads up! I can't imagine their marketers and shareholders are happy with this kind of shit. By that I mean driving off potential customers. Seriously, I guarantee that tweet lost them a decent amount of sales; I actually might have bought it if it looked good, but there's no way in hell I am now.
>make game that specifically panders to a group of people that does not even play video games >go out of your way to actually insult people who do play video games >tell them if they don't like it, they don't have to buy it >wonder when it sells like shit >blame Anti-SJW-Patriarchy
>>260718230 >"racism is bad, don't throw things at this interracial couple!"
The worst part is how 'vainilla' the 'racism' in Infinity is, trying to hard to play the 'racism' card but doing a telltale political correct version making the point flat. But again, thats probably the smallest of the problems with Infinity.
The writers of Far Cry don't understand their own writing most of the time, it's marvellous. Each plot point in Far Cry was absloutely terrible; and these guys don't even know how to write a believable character. And now they want to tacle such complex things like politics. Lol, this is bound to end in a trainwreck.
Ubisoft are currently wringing their hands and saying "Ohhh we can't wait for that SJW money. Fuck hardcore gamers, they just pirate games anyway. Those shit lords don't understand the importance of social commentary in video games."
Little do they know that this game is going to flop like a fat man from the diving board.
>>260719035 >Good point, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be creative freedom.
For sure. And it doesn't help when writers like in OP's pic, faggots like Gaider with Dragon Age Inquisition, and every "journalist" in the medium scold people who don't swallow everything they try to spoonfeed them.
>>260719437 It's gotten full force bad because of it though, because a bunch of stupid fucking retards thinks that an enemy of your enemy is your friend so we started actively fucking inviting Reddit and Tumblr on here.
I have seen posts encouraging people to post on Tumblr and make Tumblr accounts, and people saying "So what if I'm from Reddit?" I didn't see that shit on here before this garbage.
Sadly, it won't do very badly. If Ubisoft is testing the waters, they're not being silly enough to do this without a fallback guarantee.
Far Cry 4 is a first person shooter. You know what that means.
The average gamer cares very little for whatever shenanigans go on on Twitter and the Social Justice Army, what they care about is "This game has fancy guns and nice graphics, time to shoot some mean people!". The Average Player is going to buy the game on its gameplay promises alone. That it is or isn't going to have themes of this or that is irrelevant to them.
>>260719551 This, it doesn't feel 'creative freedom' it screams 'PANDERING' to the SJW bitching brigade on twitter. Why announcing it to the four winds, specially worded in a 'FUCK YOU' way? Sure, Is a thin line in some cases, but this guy makes clear in what side of the line he is.
>And it doesn't help when writers like in OP's pic, faggots like Gaider with Dragon Age Inquisition, and every "journalist" in the medium scold people who don't swallow everything they try to spoonfeed them.
Very true. Absolutely true. I'm not trying say we need to put up with that sort of shit by somewhat siding with the SJWs on this subject. But there are certain things I believe in when talking about any sort of creative medium of entertainment/art in general.
>>260711095 I figured you would be fighting to liberate Himalayan natives from an oppressive force from the beginning. I doubt you'll be fighting against preferred pronouns, gendered slurs, and cultural appropriation. I think the problem is most people who use that term proudly don't realize how often it is enacted for the most frivolous things.
Play non SJW games, please. Send them a message. When you think crap is too thick and preechy PLEASE contact the publisher. Us devs are being pressured by SJWs who threaten to make us look like assholes, because THEY ignore CLEAR DEMOGRAPHICS, not sexism!
The SJWs are starting to bully all STEM fields to. http://slashdot.org/story/14/06/26/149217/tech-workforce-diversity-at-facebook-similar-to-google-and-yahoo Cross culturally more guys are prone to games and engineering stuff. We celebrate the girls who love our fields! We can't expect 50/50 ratios because MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT.
The SJWs are covering up medical science to push their agenda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYfZg1jsJU
>>260719172 I would love to see this game flop but unfortunately >>260719859 is right, it will still sell enough to get by. I don't know why they think this will help though, even if they get positive feedback from SJW, it's not like SJW actually play games. Most of them just bitch about them on the internet, like /v/. Though far cry might be casual enough for them to play now.
>>260720454 Yanno the only agenda part I see about 'diversity' is acting like you deserve praise for doing it as if you're fighting some force to add a gay in your game. Just do it asshole. Don't tell people about it.
>>260720541 Also, apparently someone accused the creator of raping her.
His response was basically "I didn't intend to rape you, but if you saw things differently I'm sorry." Also, he didn't press charges because he didn't want to discourage women from reporting rape, despite the fact that he claimed he didn't rape her.
So, either he's lying and is a rapist, or he's telling the truth and is too beta do do anything about being falsely accused of rape.
Okay Mr. Ubisoft writer man, I won't buy the game.
Good job on losing your company sales.
We should get a /lit/ fag to type up some clever sounding email detailing how this massive cunt is actively trying to dissuade people who don't enjoy having other people's already popular ideologies thrust repeatedly into their face while they're just trying to enjoy video games.
>>260712615 Problem: we all could see that the bitch wasn't trustworthy and was using Jason to do her dirty work. Thus the ending was more about "would you rather save your annoying friends form the psycho bitch or be an idiot and get backstabbed by the psycho bitch" than whatever they imagined it to be.
>>260717338 Some on here are for and some are against. Most I think just simply don't care about the idea. Personally I do think games are a new medium for artistic expression (through interactivity). However, that being said most games are not art, even the ones that try to have a "message". They better fall under the umbrella of Kitsch.
I think what most people don't like is that the "typical" "games are art" crowd don't have any subtlety, nuance or depth to their ideas or message. This isn't to say that art that expresses ideas in a brutal, forceful or aggressive way is wrong or bad. More that the people that are proponents of the "Games as Art" movement haven't given enough through to what they're saying / doing and the idea of interactive media. Their ideas aren't fully fleshed out and more often than not do not match up with the interaction, which creates a dissonance.
Ken Levine, for example, thinks that using racism & slavery as a backdrop in Bioshock Infinite without ever presenting and getting the player the confront it is commentary on racism. All the "choices" in the game are presented in the same way (QTEs), almost as if in their own minigame completely divorced from the main interaction method with the system.
Far Cry 3 suffered from this as well. The story only existed inside prescripted cutscenes filled with QTEs. The rest of the game, the game the player experienced where they ran around killing people and taking over islands doesn't exist. Same with Tomb Raider 2013, Lara laments over killing a deer then spends the rest of the game slaughtering thousands of people.
The only game I've found so far that managed to convey ideas through interactivity for me was Braid. I know a lot of people on here hate Braid, think it's overrated, pretentious and shit and John Blow is an asshole. For me it's the only game that has come close to deserving the title of "art". Blow managed to convey and express purely through interactivity of a player with a system the ideas of obsession and lust, perfectionism and self-indulgence. The more you play Braid the more you become the main character, Tim, which I find a really interesting idea. I don't want to bore you with a long diatribe of analysis so i'll end it with that.
>>260721057 >I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. We're sorry, MLK ;~;
Social Justice: The idea of improving the lot of the underprivileged and attempting to solve real world social issues. A good thing that has had many net positive effects on society over the centuries.
Social Justice Warrior: Blogger who thinks that comic books, video games and movies are the most important social issue facing the world, trumping and causing such problems as starvation, corruption in politics, war, rape, financial inequality, and bullying. Cares nothing for actual social justice, just wants to argue with people to feel morally superior and like they're accomplishing something with their lives.
If any of these people gave an actual fuck about social justice, video games are pretty much the last thing they'd be putting all their energy into.
>>260713031 Deus Ex raises good questions though and presents you with various answers. All the different factions present a different kind of ideology and you choose between them. It doesnt ram one single message down your throat
>Dark Souls has a full on pre-op transsexual in it >developers didn't feel any need to announce on every form of social media "THIS CHARACTER HAS B CUP TITTIES BUT ALSO A HUGE DICK, WE'RE SO DIVERSE #SOCIALJUSTICE4TRAYVON" >people who played the game were generally positive about the character and thought they were interesting
It's like looking at something that should not be. Like looking at a Shoggoth. The implications are there, the basic concept of what he's saying is there, but it's so visibly Wrong that I cannot comprehend how that opinion can actually exist.
I wonder what people will think when they look back on this period of games, where personal agendas actually get in the way of gameplay and choices the player can make, will the people playing wonder what the fuck the developers were smoking, and bring them up out of the grave to taunt the devs as to how retarded they were? Or will we have "progressed" so far to the point where we will look back at these games and think, "wow we sure were lucky".
Okay prepare for faggotry content in this post, but I feel it needs to be said.
Fuck you /pol/fags. How's it feel to be your own worst enemy? How's it feel to be the reason the people we are trying fight even have a leg to stand on? Nothing is ever going change with the idiotic biased journalism in the industry because you guys just make it look we are against them because they are "progressive" and not because they are honestly some of the stupidest people on this planet.
Not on this level, no. Just like with Far Cry 3, it's probably gonna be ham-fisted and irrelevant social justice content.
The problem lies in the fact that the writers aren't focusing on making an engrossing story and the developers aren't focused on making an entertaining game. It's now just a vehicle for a flawed viewpoint within a flawed viewpoint; "we need social justice in an industry dedicated to entertainment."
>>260721536 I'm taking the opportunity of this post to announce something guys: please stop calling SJW marxists because there are in no way marxist and it is very offensive to the people such as me who think that Marx had some good points.
Marxism tl;dr is about empowering people who do the actual work. SJW is pretty much people crying for free shit because they are "underprivileged" and crying for the "underprivileged". Please don't taint Marx's name with their bullshit.
God damn, you guys are making me want to replay Far Cry 1. Nothing beats camping in a bush by a peaceful, grassy precipice, tropical breeze blowing through your hair, only the sound of the seagulls accompanying you, and sniping 50 niggas in the head from 500 yards as they frantically try and figure out what the fuck is going on.
>>260722632 The point doesnt retard. People can have opinions without being in hiveminds. Maybe you should get out if you dont like it. A whole board's general opinion shouldnt have to change for special snowflakes like yourself
>>260712787 the only thing I enjoyed about Far Cry 3 was using that strong ass sniper you get near the end of the game to take out bases as the others kind of cowered in fear as they tried to figure out where the shots are coming from
>>260722271 they aren't really progressives, they are just normalfags that don't play their own games or any other game overall. Many video game developers in AAA studios and in even indie studios hire people that only have the skills to code and program but don't have the talent to design something great. They just look at whatever is trending in the world and just go for that.
>>260717338 Because video game writing is overwhelmingly shit. Most people who are excellent writers will go make a book or go to the film industry. How many amazingly talented writers decide 'yeah I'm going into the video games industry!' None. Video game writing is scraping the barrel quality.
I have to agree with the other anon who said that if they aren't skilled enough to deal with a theme tastefully then just leave it out in favour of fun.
>>260712984 >you're going to extremely disappointed monday when they all go on stage at PAX and announce "Gamer+" They did already. The SJWs are saying "we're witnessing the death of a gamer identity", and trying to call their new SJW constructed identity politics: "Player"
"Player" = Gamer+ (just ignore what playa means in pop culture)
See: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-death-of-the-gamers-and-the-women-who-killed-them/ - by Casey Johnston - Aug 28 2014, 7:00pm CDT http://kotaku.com/we-might-be-witnessing-the-death-of-an-identity-1628203079 - Aug 28 2014 8:00pm http://dangolding.tumblr.com/post/95985875943/the-end-of-gamers - Aug 28 2014 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php - Aug 28 2014
All right before they had to go get ready for PAX.
Wiki is extremely SJW edited, Know what this "identity death" thing is? "Proletariat, we're seeing nothing more than the death throes of the Bourgeois, we're winning!" Same shit the commies used to gain control of media.
SJW = Everything has to be 100% Equal = Marxism. Simple as that really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_feminism
Would you like to know More? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIpShuFUM0s
>>260722102 The thing is though that for all the pretentious indie films and moralizing drivel in cinema, there's a ton of good, solid films, ranging from pure entertainment to deep philosophy.
Video games do not have that range in the slightest. So for this reason I support the call for more diversity in games. I just hate how the SJWs generally go about it, antagonizing markets and games they don't like instead of making games they do like.
>>260713943 why do people think they're holier than thou once they become somewhat successful? I mean I'm that way too sometimes but I'm more along the Dio side when it comes to the holier than thou attitude. I just don't get it
>>260723258 It's funny because you liberal niggers are the dumb niggers who shut down any opposition to sjw's, feminists and homosexual recruitment even when you're up against a defence here that's insurmountable
Souls is probably one of the only modern game series that actually requires a modicum of skill and can't be brute forced too easily. And I know people say "WELL YOU CAN JUST CIRCLE STRAFE HALF THE ENEMIES 2 EZ" but lot's of people cannot climb up that first skill wall where you have to learn how to not play like a retard or you'll die lots.
Anor Londo is about half way through the game and there are some tough parts of the game before that point. Getting to Anor Londo and beating Biggie Smalls is really the point where you can say you've cracked it.
Now do you notice how SJWs don't talk about Gwyndolin, the boy who was treated as a woman and truly believes he is a woman to the point he's managed to grow tits/he's using illusionary magic to have tits? I mean that's a great character right? Brought up to believe he's a girl because he has a natural affinity for the moon which was considered a feminine thing? But they don't so much as acknowledge he exists.
And this is because SJWs hate video games. They'd to have to put in the effort to find Gwyndolin, considering he's an optional, hidden boss.
All they want is a genre of media that only panders to them. They want big obvious characters who are horrible stereotypes of the people they THINK they are helping so they can walk through this cinematic experience and be all "OMG I love jacob, he's such a qt gay guy! XD i liek how he does dance and criticises the female cast's clothing! SO FAHNNY!".
In conclusion: Far Cry 4 is going to be a shit cinematic experience movie game full of SJW pandering with not a single interesting character in sight because SJWs aren't smart enough to read any deeper into a character than surface level.
How's it feel to be delusional. You guys see people using the word "nigger" and hatred of jews and assume they are stormfront like you even though that's been 4chan's culture since the days when it was noticeably more liberal (with wasn't even all that long ago). At this point 4chan is neutral territory, but it is the most repulsive to the more thin-skinned liberals of the internet. However, if the last election proves anything, liberal and conservative presence here is pretty much equal. You are still a loud minority. Most people barely even care to discuss political shit.
>>260714113 > o be fair, actually making a game is the most valid way to address social issues Negative! Have you not been watching? Make a game and DON'T toe the SJW line = get painted as a biggot by the game "journalism" which is SJW.
It seems like the only thing you have to do to completely invalidate the definition of a word is slap the word "social" down in front of it. >Science The quantitative and qualitative observation of the universe. If a model is proven wrong even once, it is invalidated. >Social Science I'll just form my model and then test it until I find an instance where it works, then send that to the publisher.
Except I didn't shut down anything and agree with everyone against SJWs, you're the one losing your shit over simple criticisms, I'm not sure what's so horrible about allowing different opinions and debating.
>>260712091 Video games are art. However, like art, they shouldn't sacrifice the integrity of their medium for shitty political statements. All this shit about grinding a political commentary axe at the cost of gameplay, design and innovaion is like saying Stalinist realism was amazing art. Hey, it certainly conveyed a poltical message. Who cares if it was a bland repetiton of social/political themes that the party thought was important? That's art - conveying emssages, right?
I'm not the greatest law student on earth, but doesn't conspiracy implies multiple involved parties?
Jesus. I'm sorry guys, I know how much /v/ hates HUEHUE, but brazilian law seems far more advanced and less ridiculous than US law in some fields. It's like you guys actively hate the concept of protecting your citizens and consumers.
>>260723825 No, the main reason people confuse the two is that the SJW shit has it's originations in Marx. From a philosophical perspective, a lot of the SJW's use what is known as "critical theory", which hails from the Frankfurt School of thought and that has it's origins in Karl Marx and his writings.
Yes, it has it's origins in Marx and if you guys actually read up on Marx you would see that he is just as much of a whiny pissant that was wrong on just about everything (especially economics) and fantasized about some stupid egalitarian shithole.
They are Marxists through and through, so much so that they emulate their hero by being useless whiny retards that believe they are starting a revolution with whingy protests and shoehorning their retardation into everything.
>>260725067 except slavery isn't bad lots of successful civilizations have had slaves like the Romans and Greeks and their slaves were well treated it's just that everybody thinks about niggers picking cotton and getting whipped with a bullwhip whenever slavery is brought up
>>260725105 If it was so boring, why did you play it so much? I was talking about both games, but I didn't call you a casual. I just don't understand why you'd play it on Easy, then call the game devoid of challenge.
Well, I never had intention to play a Far Cry game in the first place. So, if I don't support them in the first place, and I never would, how can I...Double not buy their game? Tell others not to buy it? I don't have anyone else to tell not to buy the game...This is a sad day...
DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE SOMEONE BELIEVE THERE'S INTEREST IN THOSE TAINTED GAMES
This is the only way you can win this war, let the free market kill all their jobs, then they'll realize that the majority of people who chose video games as their hobby ( I refuse to use the term "gamer" ) don't want this crap in their vidya
The only reason they're getting away with it is because you apathic fucks keep buying their fucking games, just STOP. Don't do it, pretend they don't exist and play good games instead.
As a secret ant-SJW dev I'm fucking amazed at what you guys did.
Some studios have always been on your side, but the publishers have been cramming SJW shit down our throats, asking us not to be too harsh in certain spots. We're like, WTF? Equality should mean you SEE that woman's brain splatter just like the guy's. "It could be taken as misogyny, not by us, but the public you understand". Grrrrr.
The "public" is mom's who spend the most money of anyone around Christmass on games. Gamers wouldn't care, but anyone with a woman's study degree starts railing about your game on a mom blog and we do lose sales.
If we hadn't been on your side /v/, these SJWs would have nothing to bitch about all these years.
Just wanted to give my appreciation.
I know it's not a "zoe" thread, but that shit is off the rails, so I also apologize for this shit spreading all over the other threads too. Sorry that the SJW bullshit runneth over.
>>260724937 Children are like the last group SJWs care about, even lower than white men. The only reason SJWs even think of children at all ever is when they need to pull out of their asses a reason why a WOMAN deserves more money or is a victim or whatever. She has to see after the kids, poor woman! She needs money for her kids, give the WOMAN money. Sociopathic SJWs don't give a fuck about children, they only use them as a rhetoric tool knowing that non-sociopaths do care.
Human trafficking and sexual slavery are still issues in the modern world that most people just don't like to think about. I hate the SJW movement, but that doesn't mean there atent actual social justice issues in the world.
>tell a gay guy I know on Steam that I'm gay too >he starts sending me daily links from tumblr about the latest triumphs in social justice warrioring >2DAY SOMEONE CALLED ME A "HE" WHEN I'M ACTUALLY A TRANSSEXUAL OMNISPECIES CHOCOLATEKIN SO I CALMLY TOLD THEM TO USE THE PRONOUN "CADBURYSHE". HE WAS SO CONFUSED, THIS IS BLATANT BLAH BLAH BLAH >after a couple of days I just fucking delete him and block him >now every gay person I talk to on the off chance I might actually get into a relationship is on the tumblr SJW lobotomy survivor train >I will never get laid because of SJWs
>>260723876 The social sciences are generally known to be a joke amongst those who practice the hard sciences.
Unfortunately, social science is massively popular because you can't prove or disprove anything, meaning people can endlessly argue for or against whatever issue they've chosen. It's not like in math where if someone's math is bad you can blatantly point at it, say it's objectively wrong, and there's little the other side can really do to argue that "No, 2 + 2 = 5 because I'm OFFENDED if you don't let me live my life that way!"
Let's hope it's about actual justice and shit and not over privileged sluts wanting to be sluts without criticism. I mean they did a good job on the last one,maybe he isn't a social justice bitch like the rest of them on twitter
>>260725067 Not everyone concerned with social issues is an SJW.
SJW is used to refer to people online who are rabbily ultra-feminist and go around fighting misogony, make-believe racism and other fun things on the interwebs, while unironically being sexist against men and racist against white people in general.
>>260725378 if you dont think being a slave is so bad why dont you go sell yourself to indentured Servitude then anon?
Just because those ciilizatios took slaves doesnt make it okay, nor does it make it make them great that they did and besides, The Romans had a completely different concept of Slavery than Early modern Europeans did.
I've seen posts of people talking about how Dragonkin was an recognized concept in the Aztec Empire represented by Quetzacoatl that was suppressed by the evil europeans. I showed it to a friend I have who's a Social Justice Warrior I sometimes poke for entertainment. Even she was confused.
>Eveyones is saying we can end this if we just pirate or not play their games at all
Hey, have you guys ever thought about this? Is the reason SJW have more clout these day is because the devs are just pandering to were the money is. By taking our money out of the equation, don't we just give them every reason to pander to the people who do spend money?
Oh but we swear SJWs don't actually play the games that pander to them and the billion dollar companies have simply wanted to set themselves up for failure for the past couple years. Right.
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