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What games show satanism in positive light?
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What games show satanism in positive light?
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SMT?

Demons are your friends and help you fight for freedom
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DooM
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>>260701638
>You kill Satan in SMT2
>Satan and Lucifer are two different beings
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>>260701828
as it should be.
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>>260701828
>Satan and Lucifer are two different beings

And? Don't tell me you have a problem with that
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>>260702054
No, but I'm trying to point out SMT really doesn't do what OP is asking for.
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>>260701638
This. In the Chaos routes, you usually side with lucifer. He'll sweetalk you into it with how his side represents freedom and shit. FYI, Law and Chaos don't inherently mean good and bad in these games.
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>>260701638
>demons
>existing
>satanism
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>>260701828
Satan = the Snake who tricked Lucifer along with Adam & Eve

Lucifer = the fallen angel, ex-paragon of Light and Musical Harmony
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Dunno of Vampire: The Masquerade counts as satanism. It sure has vampires though.
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>>260702434
Yeah but normally neutral is a better choice so you end up killing him and his followers.
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>>260702601
Well in SMT 2 he's God's secret top angel/weapon who was gonna destroy Earth, but depending on on if you are Law or not he joins you or you kill him, respectively.
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>>260701828
>Satan and Lucifer are two different beings
They actually are two different dudes.
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>>260702832
Which ones do you kill him in? He usually comes off as a pretty passive dude in the games. You fight him in Nocturne, but that's to test your power. In SMT2, if you don't side with him, he basically just goes, "What a shame" and allows you to go along your way without throwing any kind of a bitchfit. And this isn't about which route is best, the SMT games don't outright tell you which is good and bad, it leaves you to figure that out for yourself, so you could end up seeing either routes in a positive light.
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>>260701828
>Satan and Lucifer are two different beings

Yes sir
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Gone Home
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Dawn of War series with Chaos.
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There's no such thing as Satanism, outside of some rebellious nonsense like LaVey Satanism, which is just as made up as Mormonism.

The closest thing you'll find is RPGs that have plenty of demonic beings in their lore, and portray them as more neutral. Maybe the daedra from the Elder Scrolls series would count. Some of them could actually be mistaken for good deities, like Meridia, who is something like the Daedric Prince of Light. Meridia is just as selfish as the rest of the daedra, but (she? - the daedra are gender neutral) hates undead creatures and even sends you on a quest to purify the world of them.
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>>260704606
>that entire ending
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>>260700771
Dork Messiah, I guess.
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>>260704965
>LaVey Satanism
It's just hedonism for edgy people.
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>>260704965
>comparing LaVeyan Satanism to Mormonism
The former admits to being a libertine philosophy with a penchant for edginess and ritual. The latter is bona fide morons believing some guy found G-D's secret post-script buried in Ameristan.
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ITT: People who don't actually know what satanism is.
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>>260702971

That's what satan is, hes supposed to deceive humans it's his "job" god gave him.
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>>260705268
He didn't compare them, he said both are completely artificial.
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>>260705279
>itt people who know what actual satanism is and you're probably one of those faggots who follows LaVeyan Satanism which is just a really poorly named philosophy for edgelords
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>>260702434
>Law and Chaos don't inherently mean good and bad in these games

No, that's generally exactly what they mean. Unless you're an edgy teenager Chaos is literally always the definition of "bad" to any sane adult.
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>>260705421
>which is just as made up as
They're not, though, because only one of these "faiths" has faithful adherents.
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>>260705667
Not in SMT. They're both different shades of bad.
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>>260705667
>Law
>Good
>In any SMT game except maybe Devil Survivor
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>>260701828
Satan is a good guy, Lucifer isn't.
Satan is the deceiver, the prosecuter.
Lucifer is some faggot angel.
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>>260705554
>You don't know what satanism is.
>you're probably a satanist

k

>implying any veins of satanism aren't edgy.
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>>260705667
Law is basically fascism; chaos is anarchy.
Both of them are bad.
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Neutral is the only good ending in videogames ever.
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>>260705667
I'll use Dungeons and Dragons alignments.
>Lawful Evil, character that uses law and power for opression and his gain (Darth Vader for example)
>Chaotic Good, character that will help people, not caring about the law (a good example would be Robin Hood)
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>>260706401
Neutral endings in SMT are generally terrible

I don't understand how people can genuinely believe that Law is "bad" when it's literally the best thing for everyone in every single game to date. I'm guessing it has something to do with the average /v/ poster being a product of the 90's nowadays.
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>>260706898
Don't you have a pillar to sit on somewhere?
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>>260707498
>sit
The poor people don't even get to do that. They just stand all day i think.
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>>260701748
>kill demons
>pro-satanist
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>>260705745
>They're not, though, because only one of these "faiths" has faithful adherents.

I suppose you're right. I just couldn't think of a better comparison right off hand. The only reason I commented on it is because you hear so much about "devil worshipers" when you live in the South. The whole notion is silly. I've never seen anything to suggest Satanism could be a legitimate, organized belief system with real practitioners.
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>>260706898
SJ and 4 have very good neutral ends.
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>>260707893
>thinking satanism means devil worship
lol
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>>260705667
In SMT law and chaos are both pretty bad, and neutral is just a state of apathy and preserving the status quo
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>>260708342
>SJ neutral ending
>good

dohohoho
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>>260705667
You obviously haven't played SMT II then.
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Brutal Legend doesn't actually mention Satanism, but you get to be a Demon, you get your powers from Hell and you are the son of a Satan-like being
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>>260708342
SJ's Neutral ending is literally the prologue of an upcoming shitstorm.

None of SJ's endings are good.
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>>260706898
>when it's literally the best thing for everyone in every single game to date

Try actually living in a totalitarian regime then we will see if you will still spout that bullshit
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>>260708342
I love that game, but tbh, I didn't think any of SJ's endings were good.
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The only good ending in any SMT game is the DDS ending
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>>260705667
>Chaos: To each their own, what once were morally reprehensible acts are now neutral to us
>Law: You are either with us or against us and the unorthodox becomes our immorality.

Both sound pretty bad if they aren't grounded in extenuating morality.
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>>260708806
Other than the Law ending, you mean?

Or I guess a utopia counts as a bad ending for euphoric teenagers nowadays.
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>>260709281
>losing your individuality and being forced to sing praises to some god for all the eternity
>utopia

Nah.
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>>260709281
>being brainwashed into eternal servitude
>Utopia

Jesus fuck, are you an Amerilard?
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>>260708097
Almost as if its a boogeyman persecuted by an actual organized orthodoxy?

The patriarchy is satanism, but not in the way you might think.
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>>260709518
>>260709656
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>>260708898
To explain, most SMT games are usually open to interpretation on whether an alignment may actually be good or not. SJ seemed more aggressive on that, Law is all about brainwashing to where an individual no longer retains his individuality so that everyone may live in peace. Chaos is no rules, the strong survive and the weak serve or die. In neutral, nothing happens. You just watch the aftermath of everything.
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I don't get why everyone sees the status quo is something bad.
All of us have a good life, right? we can play videogames, love someone, shitpost on 4chan, walk to the park, eat delicious food.
Why would you want a world of pure anarchy or eternal servitude?
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>>260709889
>free will is fedoracore now
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>>260700771
Trauma Center.
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>>260709518
What do you think about alpha centauri's transcendence ending? I thought it was cool cause muh science but I can see it being similar to this.

Anyway I think the idea of a utopia is retarded too, as you have to live to serve what that ideal state is. Even if you like that and think I am being edgy, your opinion won't feed back into the system.
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>>260709889
Keep your fedoras, law literally takes away humanity from the humans, just like chaos. There must be a balance, and the only faction that represent it is neutral.
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>>260710147
>All of us have a good life, right

One billion of us have manageable lives, 5 billion live in total poverty, starvation and with no rights.
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>>260709997
>most SMT games are usually open to interpretation on whether an alignment may actually be good or not

It's literally never "open to interpretation". Law is the good alignment, Chaos is the evil alignment, and Neutral either makes everything worse or returns to the status quo without solving anything the way Law would have.
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>>260710320
What about the last billion?
Are you still living in 2006?
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>>260710351
>Law is the good alignment, Chaos is the evil alignment

Did a priest molest you and you liked it or something?

Both Law and Chaos are logical extremes with which you can but don't have to agree
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>>260710351
>It's literally never "open to interpretation". Law is the good alignment
Stopped reading there, you still b8'n with this m8? Eventually the fish will stop biting.
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>>260705919
>angel is bad guy
>deceiver entity is good guy
nice lore christfags
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Which anime said that Lucifer and Satan are different? Because they're the same.
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>>260705667
What
Chaos is anything that hasn't reached the final state of entropic decay. Which is kind of the definition they are using.
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>>260710156
It actually kind of is, the people arguing it is are the people deciding that they are the special snowflake they are because of muh genetics and chemicals and basically write off their decisions after they are born because they are born that way, yet want to be ignorant of hierarchy, and preach equality.
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This is what the average Chaos/Neutral fanbase looks like
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>>260710351
ITT Christfags
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>>260710605
>Which anime said that Lucifer and Satan are different

The Bible, you should read it sometime
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>>260710729
http://www.gotquestions.org/Lucifer-Satan.html
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>>260710598
Satan is doing the job god designed him for. Lucifer was cast out for not doing so.
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>>260710710
At least you're getting some new material, guess you ran out of fedora pics though
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>>260710710
>>260709889
>Resorting to memespouting and namecalling
That's pretty low, even for /v/.
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>>260710710
>my dick was here
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>>260708896
in fairness, most totalitarian regimes are actually pretty chaotic. a highly orderly society, while not necessarily a good thing, would not have constant random purges like stalin's russia.

a better example would be somewhere like singapore, where the law is strict and harshly enforced, but you do have to actually break the law before you're punished (as opposed to communist russia, where the law was enforced or ignored arbitrarily at the whims of various political figures).
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>>260710658
>free will
>fedoracore

The boundless stupidity of 4chan never ceases to amaze
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>>260710320
I doubt the lives of those five billions would improve under law or chaos.
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>>260710904
>even for /v/

Really? That actually seems pretty fitting for /v/ nowadays
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Satanism is just an edgy cult invented in the 1960s.

>>260702363
>>260702601
>>260703062
Lucifer actually had nothing to do with Satan whatsoever, and Satan was never called by that name in any passage in any bible, anywhere.
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>>260710862
>http://www.gotquestions.org/Lucifer-Satan.html
>There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan

Pretty much what I said.
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>>260707498
This would literally be the best thing for everyone on the planet and the absolute best thing for the sustainability of the planet itself in general.

How can a grown man genuinely try to argue against Law? Is arguing on the internet about cartoons and video games that important to you that you would forsake a literal utopia?
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>>260705667
Chaos basically and literally just means 'disorder'. It doesn't mean death, destruction and 90% of the things a 'sane adult' associates with it.

Wizardry does it alright. Chaos is one of the fundamental pillars of the universe (along with life and knowledge), and without it new things cannot be created.

or something like that, I don't remember clearly
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>>260710351
>Chaos: To each their own, what once were morally reprehensible acts are now neutral to us
>Law: You are either with us or against us and the unorthodox becomes OUR immorality.

I am going to post it again because people obviously aren't reading.

Of course the law isn't open to interpretation but that doesn't MAKE it good.

The fact that you assume Law solves more doesn't make it good. You are making an assumption and the reason I say this is because of your wording
>the way Law would have

So you admit there is a degree neutral can work, but you don't want to negotiate. That sounds evil.
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>>260710862
The fact that Lucifer and Satan are two different entities was stated by the Catholics, and a protestant site asn't going to go with their line of thinking
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>>260710862
>thought to
>likely
Pretty tenuous. Nonetheless, the two entities in the passages they apply to perform different functions altogether, so if you're making a game with metaphysical concepts represented as real, actual entities, that would be consistent.
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>>260711240
>This would literally be the best thing for everyone on the planet

That's why fascism is a wide spread and accepted political ideology
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>>260710658
And still you hide under the chaos named anonymous posting instead of going to a hierarchic, organized traditional forum.
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>>260710598
Satan is kind of like the guy who gives secret tests of character to people. It's not because he's evil, but because he's evaluating you as a person.
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I guess not since everyone would just call it edgy and since there's no way to counter that opinion (because it's a opinion) no one does it
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>>260706898
I swear, next time i'll punch you Mastema
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>>260710983
>4chan is one mentality
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>>260711264
>It doesn't mean death, destruction, and 90% of the things a 'sane adult' associates with it.

Chaos is ALWAYS associated with those things in SMT games though. Or are you seriously trying to argue that Chaos is "good"?
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Reminder that there are people posting on this board RIGHT NOW who willingly choose to go Law
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>arguing for Law on 4chan
>a site that was born from the idea that chaos can create a better discussion the order

Check yourself before you wreck yourself
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>>260710868
But satan's job is deceiving and tempting people into evil deeds,meanwhile lucifer was cast out for rebelling against tyranny IIRC
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>Law is the best ending
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>>260711240
And killing all humans would be the best thing to bring about stability to the earth. That would be a Law position.
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>>260710983
Sorry I was being devils avacado, saying that the people saying that are "the people deciding that they are the special snowflake they are because of muh genetics and chemicals and basically write off their decisions"

I am saying times have changed and fedoracore used to be determinism, but now I really think its getting switched around in what people want to pick on you and say you are a nerd for thinking.

Seriously I go to college and it is a fuckfest, so many people end up talking determinism, it is the mainstream philosophy. Just so happens you are in school learning about chemistry etc. and it just so happens you are at the age you are afraid of responsibility that you would be determinist.
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>>260708725
Though you kill all the demons in the end and protect humanity against them
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>>260709083

>All your friends and everyone you know dies
>good ending
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>>260711741
It was in SMT 4
Neutral ending aside of course
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>>260711702
>a site that was born from the idea that chaos can create a

Go the fuck back to Tumblr and/or Reddit you turbo-turd, it was created for anime.
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>>260712062
anime is inherently chaotic
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>>260711848
>freed of all Karma
>your friends reincarnate
>you leave the cycle to help them reach enlightenment
>not bound by chaos, law or their war

It's the best ending
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Not OP but you guys need to back off the religious debate and get back to focusing on vidya - that is why you're on /v/, right?
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>>260711731
In the case you are talking about, Lucifer is Satan.

Satan isn't a name, its a title. It can mean the Accuser
It can also mean the Enemy

Lucifer is the Enemy, therefore he is Satan.
However, in Job, there is another character named Satan who is not Lucifer. This Satan is the one that appears in SMT and is the Accuser.
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>>260711496
in the old testament, yes. but in revelations it says that he's evil.

>7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

"lucifer" in the bible is just some king, it's a metaphor or some shit.
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>>260712147
No it isn't.
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>>260700771
Are we talking LaVeyan Satanism or Spiritual Satanism/Enkism?
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I bet everyone in this thread thinks Lucifer is pronounced "loo-see-fer".

It's not.
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>>260712186
This is a SMT thread m8
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You mean, being an atheist with a bunch of weird rituals and some Objectivist philosophy? I can't think of any games that show that.

Theistic satanism doesn't exist. Anyone who claims to be one is either being edgy or lying. It's just fiction that appears in the media.
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>>260711741
>Chaos is the best ending
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>>260712186
The discussion is mostly regarding SMT routes, which are inherently religous.
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>>260712285
Not quite
Lucifer is the Dragon. Satan is a title. It means either the Accuser or the Enemy.
There are multiple Satans in the bible.
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>>260712186
>he thinks there's been a debate

Literally just chaosfags flailing incoherently as usual.

You can't take any "argument" against Law seriously when it comes from a chaosfag or neutralkid.
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>>260712396
How is it pronounced?
loo-sih-fer?
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>>260712062
The idea that complete anonymity is better than a rigid structure of users is the gist of 2ch/4chan

It's pure chaos
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>>260711427
You didn't get my post, I must have fucked up the clarity >>260711781

Anyway, the hierarchy and organization isn't free will I think we get that, there are extenuating things compelling you to fall into place in a structure where Chaos would have you act under your own Quale. The level of strict order in your free will isn't the same as predestined laws, so there is relative disorder but that doesn't mean necessary evil.

I get you.
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>>260712408
Theistic Satanism does exist, but they're more "Conspiracy Theorist/Pagan" than worshipers of evil.
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>>260712552
Lu-ki-fer. Latin for 'bearer of light'.
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>>260712521
>Law is a totalitarian dystopia
>HURRR DURR TIPS FEDORA LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU PRAISE YHVH

Thanks for adhering to every stereotype ever
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>>260712459
I l like to go n neutral I hope no one disagrees
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>>260712769
But literally no one pronounces it like that
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>>260712559
I Don't Know What I'm Talking About - The Post, produced by Tumblr
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>>260711240
Your the one arguing for it, its your utopia. What makes you think I would just join yours.

You are very selfish.
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>>260712858
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>>260700771
The newest deux ex is going to. The older ones were mostly against it however.
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>>260711264
The thing is though that death and destruction will always be a side effect of that level of disorder, there's no way around it, if you have complete chaos and disorder it will INVARIABLY devolve into those things, it's just a matter of how long it takes
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>There are white Buddhists on /v/

You have ten seconds to explain yourself and your idiotic decision. You can't.

Stop appropriating religions you don't understand at all just because they have your new age bullshit and make you sound wise and exotic.
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>>260712926
Not these days, not really. But that's the correct pronounciation as every c in Latin is a k.
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>>260712968
>You're

The point still stands
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>>260711216
>Satanism is just an edgy cult invented in the 1960s.
Depends which sect.

There is of course the batshit rituals where you kill a goat and literally worship Satan. Edgy and stupid as a motherfucker.

The more common kind, Levayan Satanism, is more looking out for number one and doing what the hell you want to do. In Nocturne's terms? Musubi is Levayan Satanism.
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>this thread
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>>260713175
Its sorta like Ceasar. No one pronounces it the "correct" way now days.
Nothing really wrong with that
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>satanists essentially believe in the same things Christians do, but choose to worship Satan instead of God
>God is omnipotent, the creator of everything and will reward your faith with eternity in paradise
>Satan is some dick muncher known for deception
>they still choose to worship Satan
Satanists are legitimately retarded.
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>>260712769
>using classical Latin
Yeah, sure.
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>>260712483
>On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labour forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!...How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: 'Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?

he's just some random babylonian king, he's compared to the morning star (also known as lucifer) as a metaphor to describe his rise and fall.
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>>260712987
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>>260713162
It's a healthy way of living that promotes peace and love. Buddhism isn't a religion, it's a way of life and a way of thinking.
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>>260713443
Fair enough. Satan from Revelation is still different from Satan from Job
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>>260713223

LaVeyan Satanism is literally atheism with objectivist beliefs. And there are rituals where you get high and stuff. LaVey even admitted that.
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>>260713409
People like to root for the underdog

It also doesn't help that Paradise Lost portrayed him as a romantic revolutionary
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>>260713425
It's literally that because Lucifer was the king of the city of light, now a demon or Satan. He was not depicted as evil whatsoever, just a bit of an asshole in the single passage he was in. He has no connections to Satan or Satanism whatsoever.
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>>260713627
>LaVeyan Satanism is literally atheism with objectivist beliefs. And there are rituals where you get high and stuff.
Again, doing what the fuck you want. I know they don't actually worship Satan or anything like that.

There is of course, a sect of retards that do worship him for some dumbass reason, though.
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>>260713475
>It's a healthy way of living that promotes peace and love
Very funny.

>Buddhism isn't a religion, it's a way of life and a way of thinking
So basically a religion, then?
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>>260713475

>It's a healthy way of living that promotes peace and love

How to spot someone who doesn't know Buddhism at all: the post.

Look up how the people of Tibet were treated before China intervened.
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>>260710983
He made an interesting point and you did not.
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Surprised no one mention Bayonetta
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How do you feel about the Order of Nine Angels? Or the Temple of Blood?

They're real, legitimate, Satan worshipers who actually kill people.
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>>260713886
Some people think religion is simply believing in a deity.
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>>260713787
You know I'm talking about the pronunciation, right?
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>>260713475
Do you actually know what you're talking about?
Buddhism, the Tibetan offshot in particular, is probably the most disgusting religion in the world.
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>>260700771

Harry Potter games.
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>>260713443
No. This is a mixed metaphor. Lucifer/satan/saturn are all the same thing in the bible. Babylon is always the kingdom of Satan, Jerusalem the kingdom of god. In fact, the 5 kingdoms, babylon, persia, greece, rome and america are all seen as babylon. This metaphor is describing how a man believes he is god then it goes to Lucifer which also wants to be god but is something more than a man. It shows how Lucifer works through them, the classical concept of a pheonix, an angel using a man as his vessel with the power being in the pheonix not the man.
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>>260714236
[citation needed]
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>>260711216
>and Satan was never called by that name in any passage in any bible, anywhere.
That would be because the bible was written in Hebrew and Koine Greek. Every religion in recorded history has some form of adversarial figure with a similar name however, set, shaitan etc
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>There are people who want the Dalai Lama to regain control of Tibet

Explain yourselves. The people who lived there that weren't the Buddhist ruling class were basically expendable garbage.

>B-but China is evil and the people liked it that way!

China actually has money, and when the people are brainwashed and stupid, what they think doesn't really matter.
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>>260702601
Are you talking about the video game here?

Because in actual contemporary Christianity/Judaism Satan and Lucifer are the same entity.

Furthermore, the snake in the Genesis account of creation was not originally associated with the devil at all.

But yeah, with Gnosticism there's a difference between Satan and Lucifer but Gnosticism is a dead sect, despite the efforts of edgelords to resurrect it like the butterflyfag on /lit/.

And with the Key of Solomon all these different names for the devil are split into separate entities. Which they probably were originally actually.

See the modern interpretation of the devil became consolidated at the same time the Jews adopted true monotheism, just after the Babylonian exile.

The ancient Jews were an offshoot of the Canaanites who practiced monolatry, meaning that they accepted the existence of many gods, but believed that only one was due worship. Or at least the priestly caste thought that, the Hebrew bible makes no secret of how popular polytheism was with the common people and even the monarchy from time to time.

Anyway, back at this time Satan, who almost never actually appears in the Hebrew bible, was understood to be a member of God's celestial court who tested humanity through adversity on God's behalf. And as I was saying, the Satan who appears in Job probably isn't the same entity as the Asmodeus in Tobit. These various bad spirits were lumped together though when Satan came to be understood as the prime rebel against God, the original progenitor of sin.
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>>260710710
I w-want to play with his belly fat
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>>260714552
>Gnosticism is a dead sect
Scholarary Gnosticism and all its intellectual counterparts perhaps, but Gnosticism is a series of techniques and practices to achieve contact with divinity, it cant really die out because its not an idea so much as a methodology.
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>>260713627
>LaVeyan Satanism is literally atheism with objectivist beliefs
Not really. It's just a stupid label idiots use on themselves to be special snowflakes.
That Satanism isn't a religion, doesn't have any deities or actual beliefs that those people follow.
Saying ''I will do whatever I want'' isn't a religion. Everyone in every religion already does the same without calling themselves satanic.
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Wasnt Merkabah planning to fuck over the people on Mikado too?
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>>260714552
The main confusion is people don't know or understand that Satan isn't a name, its a title.

Thus when you see Satan appear in Revelation, you assume its the same Satan that appeared in Job or anywhere else when it probably isn't.

Satan just means the Accuser or the Enemy. Sorta like Christ isn't Jesus's last name, its a a title.
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All books should be destroyed, so people can learn to think for themselves.
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>>260714951
>Everyone in every religion already does the same without calling themselves satanic.

Yea, because there is no guilt-tripping damnation and self hatred in organized religions.
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>>260715015
Probably not since she totally blew herself up with you at the end. She presumably knew to herself that it would be a one way trip.
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Order and Chaos need to keep balance between them (As cliche as it sounds)

A universe with pure order and no chaos is as bad as one with pure chaos and no order
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>>260714951
Don't forget. It's also a way LaVey was able to rip off a bunch of dumbass hipsters. It costs money to join, you know.
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>>260715212
No one cares.
Do you even know a single Christian who actually follows some rulebook and goes to the church? Most of them just act like any other person, they aren't special snowflakes and there is no one to guilt them into anything.
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?>law and chaos fags
Well adjusted adults are neutral.
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This thread reminds me about when years ago for a laugh I joined some mailing group called Teens for Satan and everyone was just posting all this Hippy self empowerment shit.
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>>260715590
He prided himself on it being the only religion in America that didn't claim tax-exempt status.
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>>260714480
But trendy white kid pop orientalist pseudo Buddhist hipsters believe that no Buddhist has ever misused his faith as a tool of oppression!

Because, like, the Tibetan Buddhist theocracy, the Sri Lankan civil war, the riots against Muslims Buddhist clergy are currently leading in SE Asia, and Japan and China's warlord temples aren't real, apparently.

People need to stop following Lisa Simpson's example and choosing their religion based on whatever is trendiest at the time. I've encountered far too many "Buddhists" who know fuck all about the religion they claim to follow. Go out and read the Pali canon or some sutras people.
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>>260715657
Yes. My little pony is actually satanism for cowards. It even contains huge amounts of occult imagery in the show itself.
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>>260704891
>chaos gods
>literally god of murder, god of decay, god of sorcery/fate and god of many-fuckings as 4 great ones
you wat mate
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>>260705667
>there is no chaotic good
anon are you 12?
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>>260715175
People don't read for opinions anymore just BDSM porn
Tumbler blogs, now thats where it's at
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>>260715175
Go away Jaden Smith no one likes you
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>>260715597
>Do you even know a single Christian who actually follows some rulebook and goes to the church?

Yes, just because religion isn't as big in whatever place you are from does not mean it is gone from the world. There are lots of places where it is very influential and people go overboard into batshit insanity. I live in a country where most are catholic but are just as you mentioned, not very influenced by it, yet there is a rapidly growing number of new-protestants which are very radical and are steadily entering the political scene.
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>>260712147
>anime is inherently chaotic
CHAOS DESU?
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>>260716246
Im not sure about you but most people confuse "Chaotic Good" with "Neutral Good"

Like in every single alignment thread.
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>>260701828
>Satan and Lucifer are two different being
Do you even Christian-Judaic Lore?
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>>260716595
Which country is this?
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>>260701828
>>You kill Satan in SMT2
And you also kill Judeo-Christianic god.
Isn't SMT actually closer to Chaos Magick/Discordianism than Satanism?
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Aren't God and Satan both jerks in Book of Job? Satan says Job only worships because God gives him everything, so God makes a bet that Job will stay faithful even if God makes him miserable. So they proceed to fuck Job's life up but he remains loyal.

When Job ask why God did that, God basically says "You dare to question the all knowing?".

Ruining someone's life to win a bet. YHVH is a jerk.
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>>260716802
WOOP WOOP
PULL OVER DAT ASS IS TOO FAT
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>>260719342
He gave everything he had and more back after the event.
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http://youtu.be/MSUnembg1A4
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>>260719927
The "event" should never have fucking happened in the first place.
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Why did Japan have such a big backlash against Western religion in the 80's and 90's? Almost all depictions were money hungry or corrupt.
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>>260719927
He gave him his wife and children back?
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>>260720278
No one is entitled to anything, only death. God also has to be fair to satan.
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>>260719927
>hey, I killed all your kids and family, but here, have a new ones. We're cool now, right?
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>>260720447
>No one is entitled to [not having their life willfully torn apart by an all-powerful, malevolent entity]
u fucking wot m8
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>>260720447
So we're not entitled to not be tortured by a deity so he can win a bet? God sure is lovely.
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>>260720447
You get 1 chance at life, and God deems it okay to mess it up to win a wager.

Christian God is a much more chill guy.
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SS13, if you're a cultist that is.
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>>260720942
That's correct. You're only living because he's merciful and loves you. He has every right to instantly annihilate you just like you have the right to completely annihilate everything on your hard drive.
>>260720879
Their souls are still in tact which is the only thing that really matters, also, how do you know their deaths didn't lead to other people surviving? How do you know millions wouldn't have died if they didn't die?
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>>260719342
Those were two scientists called Steve and Natali having a wager on their little world simulation project.
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>>260721463
The contents of my HDD lack consciousness.
>appealing to ignorance
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>>260712769
It's actually Luchifer as a pronuntiation.
In bot Italian and Latin K is the hard sound and C is read as the english CH.
You say Channel, not Kannel
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>>260721463
This is why you don't find many Lawfags
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>>260713175
You dense motherfucker I know it's a recurrence to post this shit but after some time people actually started believeing this shit.
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>>260721139
Very chill. But it's the same god regardless so his crimes remain.
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>>260722159
>Hebrew god = edgy teenager impressing his friends god
>Christian god = mellow out dad god
>Islamic god = mid-life crisis god
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>>260722159
What happened to god anyway?
Remember that one time he cursed all of humanity because he didn't want them working together to accomplish things?
Did he just give up on that one?
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>>260722505
[Devil Survivor Intensifies]
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Remember all those parents that thought videogames were turning children into satanist? Remember the backlash against Pokemon?

What if SMT came over to America on SNES?
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This is the best discussion i've seen on /v/ in literall years. Good job, /v/!
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>>260720317
YHVH gave him new kids, yes, but his previous 10 children were waiting for Job in heaven, that's how he got everything back
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>>260722505
That wasn't god. Dried dong was a certain limited capacity as building material glue.
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I know actual satanists, and they don't particularly like being seen in a positive light. Hedonists, the lot of them.

I just want an excuse to sacrifice human blood. Is that weird?
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One of the most interesting things in SMT is basically how Lucifer and YHVH are completely swapped. In one Christian doctrine, I forget which, Lucifer's assumption that he is higher than God comes from the idea that he can assure that EVERYONE is saved by stripping away free will and making everyone obedient. God in response is basically "What the fuck is the matter with you?"

Lucifer then wages war and gets thrown out of Heaven for being a control freak.
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>>260721804
No. And he never erases them fully. That's the point. their souls were still in heaven. The point is he can do whatever he wants but he chooses to love us despite our failures. Our "life" is nothing more than a little picture of eternity.
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>>260723794
>I just want an excuse to sacrifice human blood. Is that weird?
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>>260723794
Why does it have to be human blood?
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>>260723489
I don't know what you mean by this, unless you are just trying to marginalize the bible.
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>>260723954
What? This game is surprisingly accurate to what the bible says. Anarchy is nothing more than what the most powerfuls will is.
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>>260719342
>>260719927
>>260720278
Basically both are alike. He may have game Job more, but it was not what he lost.
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>>260720975
Derek Padula loves him for that.

>>260721139
>>260722159
Life shouldn't be a test! Tests are made to see if thing go haywire before sending to the field. So one little error and presto we are in hell?
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>>260724042
Did god say that or was it just perceived by humans? Since we know 2,000 years ago they couldn't really reach the heavens with a tower, or even 40 meters above the ground.
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So why haven't you coded a demon summoning program?

Think you could make it in RPG Maker?
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>>260724601
>implying implications
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>>260724042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzVXpkXGdVI
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>>260724550
Isn't that what this life is? A Beta test to see if we are worthy of eternal salvation?
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>>260724601
The bible also talks about GMOs (nephilim).
Also closer to 3500 years ago.
Also there's 3 types of heavens in the bible and you have to read the original hebrew to know which one.
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>>260724809
No. It's just a place where you're allowed to choose if you want to be with God for eternity or not with God for eternity. Hell is just a place where God does not exist which is why it's a cesspool of entropy.
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christianfags has the SHITIEST lore
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>>260724809
Then how come it's not completely scrambled and randomized across a global map, but easily classified and contained by national borders and cultures? And that religious people end up being the poorest and those that suffer the most, while seculars and atheists are at the top of the quality of life charts? Sociology shouldn't exist then.
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I can't think of any other media that takes a chance at framing god as a regular old antagonist besides SMT.

It's amazing how this series brings together so many religions, fairy tales, myths, and legends.

I wish there was a table book with all the demons and a description like SMT IV's.
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>>260725651
I don't know. I guess god like's rolling different builds a lot.

I can believe in a creator, but I don't believe any human put together religion could have the slightest idea of what they could be like.

What do you classify that as?
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>>260700771
Ultima 7.

Everyone in the towns are so nice and peaceful and they contribute to society. And then they pitchfork a random dude every once in a while and spread the entrails, but aside from that good people.
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>>260726169
Being a filthy fence sitter.
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>>260711834
All in service to The Beast, Ormagoden
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>>260723794
What is she burning?
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>>260710710
Is that...a fomorian? It' uncanny.
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>Sign up as a lowly worker and get shipped to a powerful private company's research base
>I'm actually a devote satanist who was granted limited favor by his great demonic lord
>A few few brothers got in the same way, some are janitors, some are doctors, some are scientists
>Begin our dark work drawing symbols in blood and invoking spells, away from prying eyes
>Convert other members through dark magic rituals
>Sacrifice monkeys and security personnel to our dark god for bits of power to better aid us in serving it
>Finally get the numbers and strength to kidnap the Chaplain and present a living sacrifice to our lord, as an act of dominance over their false abrahamic religion
>Demonic constructs are now patrolling the halls, wraiths are kidnapping remaining survivors, and the Cult has assembled enough members and gathered enough forbidden knowledge to summon our lord and master into this dimension
NAR-SIE HAS RISEN
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>>260722159
I always thought that natural occurences that happen in the world, so all catastrophes, floods etc. And the well being of humans have nothing to do with god. He just created some shit and let it sort out for itself.
At least that's how I see it.
I'm a deist.
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>>260728693
You are very much like the Founding Fathers of America
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>>260728673
>SS13
My nigga.
Although I fucked up every time I played a villain class, it seems it's just not for me
I loved playing as HoS though.
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>>260728875
I'm okay with this.
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>>260715175
I hope this isn't what Satanists actually believe.
It reeks of pseduo-philosophy.
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So much YHVH and Lucy in thread
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>>260729148
It's a matter of not letting anxiety get the better of you, and learning the game.

Although getting others to do your work for you is always preferable (reprogramming cyborgs, injecting a lethal implant on a victim, subverting the AI), you can always just stun pen + c4 and fuck off. Fuck, you can even do it in the middle of the hall if you have a gas mask on you to cover your face.
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>>260704965
As if all religions aren't artificial. Only difference is how many people believe it.
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>>260730940
Dude, how hard are you tipping your fedora right now.

Holy shit, I'm an atheist but dude calm your fucking autism.
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>>260731082
Fuck off with your American memes. It's not like it wasn't an expected response to someone who said "that religious is bullshit unlike others". He's just putting it in perspective that one religion isn't above another and my god isn't better than your god.
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>>260712949
Explain why because what he said certainly makes sense.
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>>260731685
However real or not real a rlegion might be, they do have positive values in places where extremists aren't the norm. Uniting smaller communities, instilling common values, helping people learn to deal with grief.

Religion can be not real and still help society. It can also hurt real bad if not kept in check though.
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>>260733295
No one said otherwise, though I'd argue the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.
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>>260721463
>also, how do you know their deaths didn't lead to other people surviving? How do you know millions wouldn't have died if they didn't die?
Because God didn't will it.
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>>260700771
Tears to Tiara 2

You play as an adept of Baal. It's got moe girls to rape, what more could you want?
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