Never thought I'd see the day when I agree with Arin but fuck.
The internet has always been happy to ruin a person's life over speculation and hearsay. It is, in fact, a favorite tactic of the social justice brigade. Like Donglegate!
Is there even any proof she did it outside of her admission on twitter?
I mean an admission is great and all but still.
I mean if we're gonna get mad at SJW's for taking girls' word for it we shouldn't do the same thing.
I dunno maybe in one of the ten thousand threads that have been posted since this shit happened, are you literally blind? No you choose to ignore it and act like it never happened.
>An admission is great and all but still
There is no 'but still'
I doubt anybody has the kind of leverage over her right now to force a false confession. A confession is damning evidence and she outright said it herself.
'but still' my ass.
I agree with him.
But, no one is trying to ruin her life. She's faking most of these attacks and there's tons of evidence supporting that.
Not only that, it's not what she MAY have done, she's proven to have done so.
They hate when it happens to them.
Yet people like the Firefox CEO and the Donglegate shit is fair game for them.
They're only getting a taste. Do not push the straight white man to a corner, because when we lash out at anyone who does us wrong, we explode. See: WW1-WW2
Arin's being no better than the myriad of journalists who zealously defended her.
I mean really, wailing, "Oh please just leave it be!" In the face of overwhelming evidence that the attacks are warranted is no better than defending the person being attacked.
Mozilla hired a CEO who had conservative right-wing personal politics (though no indication that this had any impact on his behavior as a CEO). SJWs hounded Mozilla until they fired him.
it's not something she may have done, it's something she did.
also and i find this really important to stress most of our attack after the first day or two were not against her but against the five guys and the industry, but 4chan is a blunderbuss, everyone is gonna get a little shit on them, and if you cry about it you're just making yourself into a bigger target, making you end up with even more shit on you
>Loads of Firefox employees went on strike until he left.
Not true at all. He was actually considered an excellent CEO who did not let his personal politics influence his business practices. Employees actually defended him.
you didnt see her replying to Chloe? literally saying that she slept with her boyfriend.
And talking to the people she has been accused of sleeping with with tweets like "love you" "miss u boo"
>person does something wrong
>4chan goes after person rightfully
>a few loud faggots go too far by randomly adding dubious (almost surely false) accusations to the person's known wrongdoings
>all of person's detractors lose credibility as a result of this faggotry
>history is written such that person did nothing wrong because everyone thinks the people attacking the person are liars
How do you think this whole thing started? It wasn't just /v/ deciding to shit on someone one day out of the blue. Zoe's ex posted a load of chatlogs on a massive blog detailing everything. He's the one that called her Five Guys Burger and Fries first for fucks sake.
noun: myriad; plural noun: myriads
a countless or extremely great number.
"networks connecting a myriad of computers"
synonyms: a multitude, a large/great number, a large/great quantity, scores, quantities, a mass, a host,
You wanna rethink that one, champ?
KONY 2012 did a fine job destroying itself all on its own. PROTIP, if you're pushing a humanitarian cause, using donations to provide funds to the Ugandan military is a shit way to go about it
There's no maybe about this and anyone pretending this is some hypothetical witch hunt is a worthless shill and an idiot. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a pre-written tweet that Arin's Polaris overlords told him to post.
im with you guys and hope she and the industry get blasted, but fuck if thats real proof
Didn't Grayson admit to being in a sexual relationship with her? I might be mistaken as there is a lot of shit flying around /v/ right now, but I am almost positive he confirmed a relationship via twitter
Funny that you mention it, but this shit happens more from SJWs and other progressive faggots thinking they are doing the world a favor by trying to destroy someone who disagrees with them, like that psycho bitch who took a guy to court for disagreeing with her for Doxxing someone else on twitter.
You can, brah. "Myriad" can be a noun or an adjective. "Myriad of journalists" is "<noun> of <nouns>". Like "bowl of dicks", where both "bowl" and "dicks" are nouns. "Myriad journalists" is "<adjective> <noun>", like "giant faggot" (i.e. you).
>Whoa, stop picking on Zoe, what the fuck is wrong with you? She admitted it and all, but stop!
>FUCKING WIZARDCHAN I CANT BELIEVE THOSE PERMAVIRGINS WOULD DARE MAKE FUN OF ZOE! THOSE TWO POSTS OUT OF AN ENTIRE WEBSITE ARE ENOUGH TO RAID THEM!
SJWs at work.
I'm going to keep posting this because it is the end game action to win this "war".
Mail your governors. Mail your congressmen. Mail the FBI.
SJWs are a cult and they need to be recognized as one. They have brainwashed hundreds, sent death threats to children and are using unethical harassment and blackmail to gain control of the media.
>Why does the internet suddenly think it's okay to ruin a person's life for something they MAY have done?
Dunno, Arin. Maybe you'd like to answer that question having first hand experience?
all of this could've been avoided if she didn't do porn
or slept with the journalists
I dunno, these chatlogs of her discussing having sex with a married man who happened to be her boss seem pretty good proof she did it.
Because there's evidence in the form of chat log confessions and a video if her and the guy she cheated with getting close at a convention before they supposedly banged. Breakup was several weeks later.
>Expecting women to keep their legs shut.
You guys have no proof, even the "positive reviews" that are mentioned in all your infographs do not exist. And the "exposure" is just her being mentioned along with other indie devs in a reality and that 50 games list, both of which prove nothing.
The award for whin one of the 5 guys was a judge would be something, but oh, you have no proof that she slept with that guy either.
Once again /v/ is full of shit.
Someone give me that pic where she admits it, or that compilation pic that flat out proves it
what possible definition for "myriad" are you using that you think you wouldn't need an "of" after it?
a myriad of games
a multitude of games
a wide array of games
a large number of games
a myriad games (???)
Serious question, though. Why does anyone care and what's the BFD?
> He thinks Obama wasn't a millionaire in 2012!
I'd love nothing more than to see leftists rounded up into concentration camps. We'd be doing the world a favor by getting rid of minds so apt to sycophancy.
>Myriad as a noun is over 400 years old
you understand how this is still not hard evidence right? How anyone could dismiss this as fake right?
in this whole scenario you guys dont have real, tangible proof. A lot of screen caps and he said she said, sure. But nothing that will amount to the results you desire.
best of luck though
>inb4 im a shill
ive been here following this for 3 days now hoping for that final straw... all we got is more "proof"
The only time I hear of "myriad" without the preposition afterwards is in the phrase "there's a myriad reasons."
I don't know if that's proper English, though. It's just a phrase I hear a lot.
Except nobody but Zoe and the guys supposedly involved know if it actually even happened of not. So you're still advocating ruining someone's life over a rumor. A rumor that really nobody should have given a shit about in the first place considering someone's personal life is nobody's business but their own.
Zoe Quinn has been harassed and doxed, exactly what she has done or instigated to have done to others
this is karmic retribution at it's finest
fuck anyone who feels a minute sense of sympathy for her
myriad in its common usage is an adjective, basically meaning "very many".
So you would say you have played myriad games and found none to have the heart and compassion of Depression Quest.
Grayson admitted to dating her briefly, via Totilo's denial that any impropriety took place. The other guys have been quiet.
But it's irrelevant whether they admit it, because Zoe herself did in the chat logs posted by her ex, Eron.
>ruin someones life
>tons of people are defending the 'victims'
>Zoe is making more money on Patreon from all of this
>I went to a good school so I was actually taught unlike you.
no messing around, just heading straight to the personal attacks
I respect that my good sir *tips*
I'm pretty sure that she ruined her own life when she decided to make a living off of conning people out of their money and then mixed sex and her career together for the public to see.
The woman who developed Depression Quest allegedly cheated on her ex-boyfriend multiple times, slept with game journalists (ostensibly for favors like positive coverage of her game), and lied about everything.
This is also drawing further attention to a bunch of other shit she allegedly did in the past, like faking harassment campaigns in order to get sympathy. I'm sure someone will post all the details.
Also she did porn, but hey, apparently that's "private" even though the pictures are professionally shot and commercially available.
there is, they just won't talk about it. They won't deny either, and since we are on the internet and not in some bullshit tribunal you're guilty 'til evidence proves the contray.
>But it's irrelevant whether they admit it, because Zoe herself did in the chat logs posted by her ex, Eron.
>A woman that will cheat on her boyfriend for months before he finds out wouldn't possibly lie to her boyfriend
>complains about people ruining sjws lives
>sjws have attacked a 10 year old, Zoe has attacked people have suffered from depression.
>there is proof that Zoe is a sleazeball
What happened to the Egoraptor we used to know?
How does one go about reporting a Patreon for illicit content or breach of contract and violation of the rules?
Because you need to offer something tangible each month for a Patreon to be legit. Twitter shitposts aren't a tangible thing.
>it's irrelevant whether they admit it, because Zoe herself did in the chat logs
ONE SIDE OF THE STORY, HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Just because I said I fucked Jennifer Lawrence and your mom at the same time last night doesn't mean it actually fucking happened.
>Recent criticism of the use of myriad as a noun, both in the plural form myriads and in the phrase a myriad of, seems to reflect a mistaken belief that the word was originally and is still properly only an adjective. As the entries here show, however, the noun is in fact the older form, dating to the 16th century. The noun myriad has appeared in the works of such writers as Milton (plural myriads) and Thoreau (a myriad of), and it continues to occur frequently in reputable English. There is no reason to avoid it.
>Eric Kain writes an article about emulation
>Ben Kuchera tries to harm his career, hurting his livelihood (not SJW related, but the type of extreme idiot you'd have to be)
>Other male game jo0urnalist I forget the name of sexually harasses a woman
>he is fired, blackballed from the journalism industry in games, and this harms his livelihood
>slut who hasn't even made a real game is a slut, her sluttery includes her own married boss and journalists
>WOW WHY ARE YOU GUYS ATTACKING HER THIS COULD HARM HER
>go so far as to false flag hack yourselves while keeping access to twitter conveniently, and the access information pointing towards just outside of LA on a static corporate IP
>due to the way cloudflare works you would need access from one of polytron corps own computers or maybe Phil's
Honestly the irony is amazing.
>ostensibly for favors like positive coverage of her game
I hope none of you guys actually believe this.
Or what, do you think journos are fucking all of the artsy indie game devs? Is gaming journalism just one big orgy?
you idiots fucked up by picking on a girl. you know people are going to say you're sexist, true or not, and the actual issue isn't even talked about. You should have expected all of this. I mean just amateur hour
she released a number of a gas station, then said her dad got threatening calls, when people told her the number isn't even hers she deleted the post "doxing" her.
this is all documented.
Why would she tell her ex-boyfriend that she cheated on him with a bunch of people if it weren't true? That's not a lie that would benefit her unless she foresaw the leak and the entire subsequent controversy and thought it would get her more sympathy than hatred. That's a stretch.
Basically you make no sense.
That she had relationships with a few people. So what? Just because she knew/was involved with someone does not mean she gained anything from it.
You've never dealt with a woman in your life, have you? When they're pissed off and in defense mode, they'll say stupid shit. She could have easily named more people than she was actually involved with just to make her boyfriend feel worse.
>Except nobody but Zoe and the guys supposedly involved know if it actually even happened of not. So you're still advocating ruining someone's life over a rumor.
Totilo made a fucking post about this, the Kotaku fuck whatever his name was admitted to his boss that he fucked her, no-one's even covering it up nigga they're just saying not to talk about it
>Max Temkin is falsely accused of rape
>SJWs try to literally ruin his life
>Zoe Quinn is confronted with a reasonable amount of evidence for adultery and getting a feminist game jam shut down
>STOP OPPRESSING A STRONG WOMYN U SHITLORD
TBH, as much as I like to believe that whatever we know is public knowledge, it really isn't.
4chan has always been a warning trigger for any "famous" internet celebs out there, they admit to going on reddit, but never so much as mention 4chan or even acknowledging that they know of it.
So when shit like this happens, they tend to disregard anything from 4chan, in hopes that no one finds out that they do know of 4chan.
Where's your proof Obama is a millionaire? He only makes 300,000 a year as a president, and after expenses, at best, he would have only come close to breaching the million mark in 2012
People making it about sex are in the wrong and Tumblr is the only one doing it.
Tumblr is the most sexist and misogynistic site on the internet.
They're also a cult with harmful intent that take aggressive, terrorist behaviors against children.
Remember, it's OK to ruin a guy's life if he's accused of rape without proof, but if a SJW cheats and fucks journalists who then promote her products, you need undeniable proof.
Anyway you retards, we have proof that she fucked the guys. Her ex provided plenty of it and she's not denying it.
And how can you people be so fucking stupid that you only consider them admitting it to be proof? Of course they aren't going to fucking admit to being corrupt. Why the hell do we suddenly need impossibly specific proof? We know she fucked people who advertised her stuff without admitting that they were in a relationship. That's all the proof you need.
>So what if you caught the murder on tape? The murderer says he didn't do it so you can't prove it!
Well I find it nearly impossible for someone like her boyfriend to lie that much. The webpage is massively huge and it'd take an insane person to lie about all of it, confirmed or not.
I was tipped off to the zoe post being true when she laughed at one of the five guy's ex's on twitter. That was a pretty good clue. Steven Totilo tweeting a statement that the time Zoe and Nathan Grayson had sex was after he wrote about her was another pretty big smoking gun.
It takes a special brand of denial to believe Zoe didn't have sex with any journalists and she's just randomly become some kind of hate figure for evil internet sexists flooding from Wizardchan and /V/.
>>Zoe Quinn is confronted with a reasonable amount of evidence for adultery and getting a feminist game jam shut down
AND an accusation of sexual assault, which the hivemind then proceeded to victim blame and shame because the accuser was male and the accusee an infallible goddess
>Just because she knew/was involved with someone does not mean she gained anything from it.
/v/ is trying to push the whole "corruption in journalism" shit just because some people think it's a more legitimate complaint. That's dumb though. Honestly, the real source of all the outrage is the cheating and, to an even greater extent, all the lying. If you've been reading these threads, you know that the information exposed in "the Zoe post" is not the only awful shit that Zoe allegedly did.
Well, I was one of the guys demanding to see proof, and I have to admit, I'm pretty fucking satisfied by that Facebook video. Logs are easy as fuck to fake, especially if you're in psycho-heartbroken-ex-boyfriend mode. Fake url's on vidoe are slightly more difficult, and much more unlikely.
Too bad he's always going to look like an asshole for airing dirty laundry. What he SHOULD have done is gone to a rival media website's editor and said, "hey, your chief competitor suffers from an obvious conflict of interest."
She needs to prove we're wrong.
We're walking into the room with mountains of evidence, witnesses, collaborating stories and a supporting cast of reputable people from the industry.
What does she have?
Because if the answer is "a vagina", I'll back down. If she admits that she can't fight back because she's a woman and too weak to defend herself, I'll apologize and let it all alone. Because then, finally, she'll be right.
Context, anon. When you're in the middle of admitting to your partner that you cheated on them with five guys, you don't invent new guys for no reason. It serves no purpose.
But go ahead, wait for Joshua Boggs to make a statement, I'm sure he'll come clean any day now.
>Just because she knew/was involved with someone does not mean she gained anything from it.
we know she got publicity from them after the relationship started, you can argue that she got the publicity/awards because she deserved them and not because of the relationship and that's a fair argument, only it's completely irrelevant.
the issue is not the relationships, it's the fact nobody disclosed them, it's about journalistic ethics, it's about the appearance of malfeasance.
Even more proof.
Now stop being a retard. You are an obvious SJW trying to not believe any of this is true.
>inb4 im just being logical here!!
Me neither. He tweeted about Zoe but not the specific post in the OP
>latecomers complain about lack of information
the information exists, it's been posted in summaries, screencaps, youtube videos since this shit started nearly a week ago on both /pol/ and /v/
if you're not aware of it, or you're still ignorant of the happenings then it's not the result of lack of information
Do you have any idea what has happened in the last week? Any at all? Three sides of the event, (Zoe, her Ex and Grayson) and one side's employer (Grayson's boss at Kotaku) have all made statements confirming this happened.
Why does it make me sad to know that eventually this whole fiasco will die down and become irrelevant?
I want it to keep happening. I want to see people continuing blowing the opposition the fuck out. Eventually, everyone is going to pull out and it'll all be over, solved or unsolved. That bothers me.
>And the "exposure" is just her being mentioned along with other indie devs in a reality and that 50 games list, both of which prove nothing.
It's prove conflict of interest, you dumbass. Since she having sex to promote her stuff.
She also left with her boss.
Even through Her Ex corrected a few things, she is not off of the hook.
Her life isn't fucking ruined, what?
Yeah okay, HER WHOLE ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE IS RUINED. EVERYTHING'S OVER SHE SHOULD GIVE UP. SHE ONLY EVER MADE 1 GAME BUT SHE'LL NEVER MAKE ANOTHER NOW, WOE IS ME
No, ego. That's not how it works.
You forgot the time that guy said Felicia Day hadn't made any meaningful contributions to gaming and lost his job at Destructoid. Or the time Journalists got free PS3 for making promotional tweets, and Rab was fired from Eurogamer because one of them was a woman.
I post images of people wearing fedoras instead of raising an actual argument
I too, remember when I used memes instead of contributing to conversations
Legit how much money have we raised for Fine young Capitalists?
Don't you have anything better to do Zoe? It's Friday, go suck someone's dick for a free meal or something.
it's pretty much certain that he did it himself,but no one has any hard proof, and until phil files a case, in which the forensics willd efinitely point towards phil doing it himself, i don't think any of us can prove anything. Hopefully the fucking company he's in does start something. Big chance though...
Yea.. they're going with that because they think it's the highest chances of watching things burn down. Not that they truly feel that corruption could be curbed. They just want to see everything burn.
So you did. Amazing.
I'm supposed to raise an argument against a baseless personal attack?
>I d-d-did go to a good school, f-fuck you man!!!
nah, I'd rather tip my fedora. It's what I'm best at.
>making it about sex
Is anyone actually doing that?
Yeah, I've seen people trying to make it about cheating, but that's NOT the same as making it about sex. She can have sex all she wants, but cheating is immoral behavior because it necessarily involves lying. If you don't think lying is immoral then you're just trying to be an edgy faggot and should leave the site until you turn 18.
In 2005 he had a 2 million book deal alone. And that's not even considering his years as a politician before then.
Come on, anon. You can't honestly believe that anyone on the ballot for the presidency is poor. They're NEVER poor. Even during the Great Depression the fucking candidates weren't poor.
The relationships and the details of them are irrelevant. She could have fucked 50 industry guys for all I care.
It's merely symptomatic of the larger cancer that needs to be excised, which is going to be a long and painful operation. Devs, critics, and publisher PR all suckling at the same teat, getting cozy with one another, and giving preferential treatment to friends in their clique is what's broken.
Not the only thing that's broken, mind -- there's still the DMCA takedown that shouldn't be possible, and the Internet Archive removal, along with the fraudulent complaint to GamesNosh's hosting company. But fixing games media would go a long way to alleviating symptoms until these issues, too, can receive the chemo.
/v/ isn't interested in destroying zoe because they're bored. I've been following this shit all week and the vast majority of people actively discussing it just want some fucking accountability.
other guy here. Regardless of the video of the chat log, which is nice, it still doesn't prove any preferential treatment or corruption in game journalism aside from dick in vagina.
Actually, it has NOTHING to do with the cheating either, you fucking child.
It's purely about the fact that she fucked a journalist for good press. That's it. That's the crux of this issue.
We have facts. They haven't denied that they fucked. You're deliberately asking for "proof" that literally cannot exist without a time machine and mind reading skills. See >>259321281.
I didn't know the internet was some big mind controlling monster.
I though it was made up of people.
if she didn't have so much shit lined up against her, ruining her life wouldn't be this easy.
If it's true that is.
I think she's dirty.
and i don't just mean the porn.
So let me try to understand here.
The main controversy is that the woman who created Depression Quest slept with various game journalists so they would advertise her game, correct?
Why does this matter so much?
We've known for years that gaming journalism is a cesspool of shills ever since Kotaku became a Buzzfeed whore. Probably earlier than that. We know that these sort of incidents happen every week, and will keep on happening until gaming companies just decide to run journalism sites themselves (which gameinformer has shown us will happen).
So why make a big ol' fuss over this? Why not pool our resources into making a gaming journalism site that isn't a corporate asskissing whore?
And her married boss for her job. That's pretty important too.
But all of THAT, even, is still a minor issue compared to the gross misconduct and bribery going on within every large gaming website. This is all just a convenient entry point for discussion, since no one would listen when we constantly tried to tell them that shit like IGN was basically selling reviews for adspace.
Go google Obamas sponsors for his elections, the dude is not fucking strapped for cash lol.
But Mitt mcFuckhead is constantly shit on by the media so you gobbled it up. good job
It's like everyone looked at that and was like "NOPE NOT REEDIN"
Its so painfully obvious that he's not lying in that post, but I guess it being 5k words and having dozens of chat logs is a deterrent for most.
I guess it matters because it's a convenient package of damning facts, rather than just some "old man yells at cloud" bitching about the state of the industry. This is actual, hard proof.
Who cares? Arin is not really relevant. Not only that but JonTron is way better and he IS on our "side."
Arin is even less relevant than Cliffy B (who is a huge faggot) and Sessler (who is a cokehead dipshit).
Nothing to see here. It's en vogue now to side with female gamers no matter what.
as far as I'm concerned, the worst thing about all of this is that she came out and said you can't hold women accountable for doing what she did because "that's the definition of misogyny".
Like, seriously. She said that.
Because now we have concrete proof to throw back in their faces. Also, not everyone knows how shitty sites like kotaku are, as reflected in the fact those sites still exist.
Furthermore, Zoe, Phil Fish, and Nathan Grayson are manipulative hypocritical fuckers, and this is karma finally coming to bite.
No it doesn't "prove" corruption, but it does prove a conflict of interest. Enough to show that the integrity of the journalists in question is not being upheld.
It's the first step in proving corruption.
My point is that, she admitted later she fucked.
So we had no proof before that at all. We were just band wagoning. I'm not denying it happened. I'm curious why the fuck we were campaigning against her a WEEK before she admitted to fault.
We didn't have evidence did we?
Was it pure hearsay anon?
The funny thing is, we have pretty much done nothing but discussed and corrected the news. They dug their graves themselves.
If anything, Phil Fish is our greatest hero. Our arms and legs to fuck everything up.
Everyone knows games journalism is shit, it's been a pressure mounting on them for years. This is just the frustration manifesting itself in a movement to try and get some oversight and ethics or even just a written code of practice, y'know, like 'real' journalists have.
When it comes down to it folks just want at least a section of gaming to be credible and respectable. Sure movies have michael bay shit or superhero trash, and novels have their romance and teen fiction, but they have serious scenes with smart people critiquing them.
People want that, people want at least a subsection of the press to be more than a press release, backhanding club of manchildren.
I voted for Johnson, kiddo. But cute try.
Oh wait, I actually have it saved.
The thing I hate most about this tweet isn't even the subject matter, it's that it's so half-assed.
I mean, the question doesn't even make sense, anyone who's been on the internet for more than a week knows much worse has been done, so it's hardly sudden. The phrasing itself is so benign and non-commital, doesn't mention any specifics. You can tell he just gleaned the bare minimum information about the incident. Beyond that, it's not even written with the kind of bite or venom that the other SJWs have been dealing out so it's not even inflammatory. Also, and I can't quite put my finger on why, but somehow it reads like something a kid would write.
The whole tweet is so emblematic of his current approach to everything: lazy.
right. So it's totally worth all this mess, with all this hard evidence.
ok so its about her character and not the "corruption" we've been talking about all this time? I understand now, thanks.
This is the most stunning part of all of this to me.
I checked several websites this morning thinking I'd see every single one mentioning this debacle. I was STUNNED when I saw 0 articles about it
also a note that she mentally abused and gaslit her boyfriend while riding journalists joysticks as well.
So not only a cheater, but an abuser that the gaming industry is supporting and even rewarding .
It's kind of insulting to anyone that's suffered emotional abuse to watch everyone defending her because omg being made accountable for ones actions is misogyny.
>So we had no proof he was the murderer before we interrogated him, that means his confession is worthless
>I mean, it was just hearsay from eyewitnesses that tipped us off and got us to question him.
>How dare us interrogate a perpetrator without video footage of the crime.
Never be a cop.
Most of this style of tweet is half-assed. If you keep it vague your supporters can congratulate each other about how open minded you are and detractors have nothing to grab hold of.
>And is a liar
REALLY doesn't matter. It's none of your business, and even mentioning this makes our side look bad.
>a manipulative asshole
>and a hypocrite
You guys have got to get your fucking act together if you want people to take you seriously. This can't be a he-man womun-hater's gang bang, because that just makes her into a victim. Concentrate on the conflict of interest, okay? That's the only thing that matters.
>Look, fellow Kotaku writers, this is a story that we literally could not spin in such a way as to make ourselves seem completely in the right.
>We should totally write about this.
It's a big deal because this girl is BLATANTLY whoring herself out. There is hard evidence here. It's like what happened with Anita Sarkeesian except for in some ways it is worse.
I think that many of us are upset about it because she isn't contributing anything but trying to act like she is an actual game developer. She's actually ruining it for other women. She is trying to milk gaming because of ONE shitty flash "game" (visual novel) that came out like almost two years ago now that no one cares about. Anita has her niche and her followers.
I, for one, don't want that to happen again and get away with it, especially one that seems to be have no scruples with using her cunt to influence things.
And, whether we want to admit it or not, we all hate her for cheating on her boyfriend with multiple dudes. That just makes her a plain old shitty person.
hildebrand has the best reactions
It's been said before a million times but the reason gaming sites are staying WELL away from this is they don't want to provoke discussion or corruption, ethics, conflicts of interest, what have you in their own front yard. If it comes to light your peers have been doing dirty shit, people will shine a light on you.
Because Depression Quest isn't a fucking game and would have never have gotten this much positive press if she wasn't fucking journalists and other developers.
It's about the principal in maintaining quality of games that deserved to be promoted. It sickens me that there was probably a great game that was overshadowed by Depression Quest but because Zoe was fucking the right people never got featured.
Jesus Christ, you faggots are still arguing about this?
Words are used incorrectly and, in FACT, languages even change over time as a result.
It is literally impossible for languages to evolve if nobody ever breaks a rule, and yet Latin evolved into many languages that are spoken today. Let's resurrect some dead Romans and have them bitch about everyone not speaking proper Latin anymore if you have such a hard-on for obeying the rules.
At least the questionable use of the word "of" isn't as bad as a complete reversal of meaning, like "literally" being used to add weight to hyperbole, or people saying "I could care less" when they don't care at all.
I'm not saying the confession is worthless.
Anon, you need to calm down. Genuinely.
What I'm saying is, if I was a cop and I arrested someone a week before we had any proof at all of any crime, I'd be a shitty cop.
You know that's how it works IRL? You can't just arrest someone with no proof outside of the 24 hour detainment.
I'm not a SJW, I'm not your enemy. I know you come to these threads to enjoy being angry (I serve customers like you, you love coming in and bitching about ten cent difference in prices), but some of us are actually trying to logically figure things out.
Obviously Quin is a piece of shit. The week before there was an evidence of her wrong doing though, why was /v/ so convinced she did it? What evidence did they have?
KEEP IN MIND I AM NOT SAYING SHE IS RIGHT AND ABOVE SCRUTINY.
I want tumblr to leave.
I do not like tumblr being here. I didn't like them existing and I dislike it even more that they are now here.
Nbody really gave a shit about depression quest until pic related
>What I'm saying is, if I was a cop and I arrested someone a week before we had any proof at all of any crime, I'd be a shitty cop.
I guess it's a damned good thing we can't fucking arrest people then, isn't it?
Did you just completely avoid reading that it's the first step to proving the corruption?
Do you really believe that the majority of news you read runs on more evidence than what's already been collected?
The integrity of the journalists has already been discredited. Now we have to wait for them to admit to that and it will move on from there.
And hey, not only did that occur, but Zoe got a honest to god well meaning feminist group's game dev project shut down because she was angry, and there has been a lot of evidence of her profiting off that and off of the donations for her fucking non-existent game jam. Which, if so, leaves her and anyone else who was in on it with her (I haven't kept too up to date on this, but I believe it was a couple of the guys she fucked and are in the limelight right now) getting completely fucked.
And hey, then there's also her blatant abuse of the DMCA, and the incredible lengths the media went to cover up this shit online in general.
Now there's the whole "hacking" thing going on, which I'm not sure how that's been going, but I'm pretty positive it was Phil Fish and Zoe hacking themselves. I'd like an actual update on that one, too.
Basically, there's a lot more to this whole mess than her sleeping with five guys.
>ok so its about her character and not the "corruption" we've been talking about all this time? I understand now, thanks.
Remember, anonymous is not a single person.
To the degree that her personal character is used to further her career, evidence against her person is relevant. Furthermore, strong evidence of her being a manipulative liar casts prior claims of victim-hood in a different light.
The main controversy is as you say, but there are several other controversies related to the same person.
>the alleged false-flag operation against Wizardchan, which nearly every major media outlet picked up and ran with just on her word
>the alleged doxxing and subsequent media blackballing of the first iteration of TFYC game jam for women, which Zoe claimed was "transphobic" before she subsequently began her own game jam project a month later with donations going directly to her personal account
>the complaint and takedown of GamesNosh, the first outlet to report on this controversy
>the complaint and takedown of the Internet Archive of GamesNosh -- it's ludicrous that one person can accomplish this
>the DMCA takedown of MundaneMatt's critical Youtube video
>the false-flag "doxxing" and "hacking" of Zoe's email, Tumblr and Twitter to attempt to discredit her critics, despite the fact she retained enough control to publicize this occurring
Also, I absolutely HATE the fact that people are giving money to her Patreon. For what? She produces exactly NOTHING. She does not deserve a Patreon.
Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, her life being halfway cyber-ruined is what she is getting paid for. She still has a shitload of people that are supporting her that are "big names" and $2350 per month for sitting on her fat, down-syndrome looking ass. And all she had to do was bait a bunch of people like us into attacking her by stirring up controversy that she was being "harassed" by reading a post on a site she doesn't frequent.
nice try, but eron updated thzoepost with the CORRECT dates and that clears zoe and grayson of any conflict of interest.
What you do have proof of is, oh wow, people in the industry have relationships. Way to go sherlock.
I'm just being logical here.
It's not just about that. It's one aspect.
She fucked people for press.
She cheated to fuck people for press.
She repeatedly lied about cheating to fuck people for press.
She went against her own SJW values (see: rape definition) to repeatedly lie about cheating to fuck people for press.
She fucked her boss, a married man, for press.
She shut down and attacked another, productive, game jam by cheating and fucking people for press.
She sought out posts from a gated community to play the victim.
She pretended to be doxxed.
She abused DMCA takedown orders to attempt to censor discussion about her cheating to fuck people for press.
She took advantage of Robin William's death to plug her game.
She has a huge list of sins. That's why she's a hated figure.
That Kotaku "coverage" was just a mention in one shitty article about indie games
Because of that shit, reddit, /v/, tumblr and even neo gaf went apeshit, flooded all their discussions with trash and now a company has been destroyed and the fucking FBI will most likely get involved and most developers are pissed off
What a fucking waste of time
Not even once
I'm not saying you're against us here, just that you're misunderstanding things.
What we had before the confession were eyewitness reports on the issue.
While these alone weren't enough to accuse, they were enough to warrant questioning.
If someone reports that they witnessed an individual commit a crime, you best believe that's enough evidence to start questioning.
Not enough to convict, but enough to pursue.
Or do you really think all crimes are solved when hard evidence just flies into the prosecutors' laps?
You illiterate or what? We already had proof. The ex boyfriend's blog post contains tons of it. That they later admitted it just means it's even stronger.
It proves corruption because they refuse to admit that there is a conflict of interest. And more importantly, they censored almost every place where video game news are discussed. They only let up because it reached the point where they couldn't contain it so they let it go and pretended that they weren't censoring it.
If they entire fucking industry censors something because it shows how bad a shape the industry is in, you have proof of corruption. If someone silences others because they're saying things that prove that that someone isn't professional, it's corruption.
>clears zoe and grayson of any conflict of interest
March 31: Grayson writes an article headlining Depression Quest and Zoe Quinn
April 1: Confirmed sexual relations
Yeah, no. Absolutely nothing suspicious there.
March 22: Shared a hotel room at a game jam
There's one thing that DID happen, with full proof and everything, and it's the wizardchan fiasco. It's all I need to know Zoe is an horrible bitch; she makes an excuse of a game about nothing less than depression, all the while playing victim against a website full of -who'd have though- genuinely depressed people. The amount of hypocrisy and bullshit she managed to pull there is very, very low. I don't like the idea of those kind people getting away with shit like that as if nothing happened, and even with other, equally misguided (or simply stupid) supporting her. She deserves what's coming to her.
>Do you really believe that the majority of news you read runs on more evidence than what's already been collected?
you dont understand what evidence is. OR you don't understand what we're trying to accomplish. Every one of these threads is supposed to be about outing this corrupt journalist group yet there's 0 proof of that.
>Now there's the whole "hacking" thing going on, which I'm not sure how that's been going, but I'm pretty positive it was Phil Fish and Zoe hacking themselves. I'd like an actual update on that one, too.
ill give you the update my friend, we have no proof. Sorry to disappoint.
You know, Yahtzee Croshaw said something very interesting about this. The current generation that's attempting to be as liberal as possible with things like self and sexual identity are also the ones who are imposing the harshest restrictions on the way people talk and bring massive retribution for people who don't fall in line with their idea of what is right.
The idea of self expression is only allowed when it encompasses the views of the smallest minority. Anything beyond that is oppression.
>And hey, then there's also her blatant abuse of the DMCA, and the incredible lengths the media went to cover up this shit online in general.
look at it from their perspective. What they're "covering up" is personal sexual relations. There's no PROOF she corrupted the industry therefore there's no stance for them to allow posts and articles about her to be written. You understand what im saying? You're freaking out over a conspiracy that hasn't yet been proven so how can they allow what appears to currently be a smear campaign if they can't run articles with any proof.
Can we all try to stay on point? The issue isn't whether or not this benefited her in any way shape or form, that's entirely beside the point. The point is simply that in having these relationships, those involved with the game "journalism" world breached pretty basic journalism ethics.
That combined with the absurd damage control, fake DMCA claims on youtube, the industry backlash, and everyone flocking to scream foul over everything (and seemingly framing one's opposition to discredit them) is what we should be focusing on.
I say who the fuck cares if she did it or not?
She's a feminist, she's a videogame developer, she's hurting the industry by pushing her agenda. Bad things should happen to people like that.
If it makes anyone feel better I talked with a friend that programs for Telltale games about Zoe Quinn.
Told me everyone was talking about her and the general consensus was that they believe she was willfully deceiving everyone to make herself a victim and was indeed doing unethical shit to further herself.
Also told me that the gaming industry is deceptively small and that Zoe Quinn is most likely blacklisted at this point from ever getting a real job as a developer.
So she's pretty much doomed to be Indie developer world's pet women developer. Nothing ever more than that.
First, I don't see why they'd be allowed to cover up personal sexual relations anyway. Literally every celebrity and politician gets this shit thrown in their face every time they stray from their marriage.
And you're ignoring the fact that this IS NOT A PERSONAL MATTER. She is confirmed to have had sex with a journalist who gave her publicity. That's not a private matter.
well that was only a matter of time. I'm trying to fuckiing help you guys man.
Keep running around screaming foul without proof and you'll continued to be ignored by media outlets.
I'm just trying to explain how we have no real proof of corruption, which is the grande stance of this whole shitstorm is it not?
But there is proof, you derailing little piece of shit. It'll be here no matter how many times you pretend otherwise.
You're asking for a specific type of proof that you know cannot exist in an attempt to shut us up.
It's like demanding video proof of a murder when you have fifty eye witnesses, or eye witnesses when you have a security camera recording of it. You're asking for a specific type of proof that you know cannot exist so you can go "so you admit you have no proof" when we say "no, we don't have that specific type of proof." You're a manipulating piece of shit.
THERE IS MORE THAN REASONABLE SUSPICION.
SHE FUCKED A JOURNALIST THE WEEK BEFORE HE RELEASED AN ARTICLE ON HER.
THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SHE ALSO FUCKED HER BOSS AND OTHER JOURNALISTS.
REASONABLE. FUCKING. SUSPICION.
He posted this. And then he ended up getting attacked by a whole bunch of people for posting it. He rode it out for a day and then made a statement saying basically that he didn't care about the situation and that he was going to focus on making comedy and game reviews and such.
The only lives the internet ruins are attention seekers, and those who generally asked for it due to their either naivety or stupidity.
Let's take a few prime examples.
Attention Seekers: Bitches like Applemilk1988 (Emiry) or Jessi Slaughter. They get on the internet, spout a bunch of shit, try to get popular with their drama and the internet fucks with them because let's face it, who wants that shit on (I hate to say this) "our turf"? Another great example? DSP.
People who are naive or generally stupid: Christian Weston Chandler had no intentions of getting much attention his way, but he was naive and pretty much uploaded his entire life on the internet. Needless to say, he went from a drool on shirt sperglord to panty wearing fairy with real bad anger issues.
Stupid people? People who upload their credit card information to a phishing site or donate money to some Nigerian prince, this kind of goes into naivety, but you have to be real stupid not to do a simple google search to see if it's not legit.
>You're asking for a specific type of proof that you know cannot exist
Which happens to be the exact type of proof required to show corruption. Hence you have no case.
I read the whole thing. Show me the industry corruption. Those articles were paid by her sex. Her ex doesn't even accuse her for that.
Didn't she talk to the ex-wife of one of the 5 Guys on Twitter and claim she didn't know the guy was married?
Was that fake?
There doesn't even have to be proof.
Fact. Zoe is incapable of having a strictly professional relationship with her male coworkers.
Fact. Zoe has wormed her way into good graces of her fellow indie developers for being that girl that puts out. Even these beta faggot pseudo intellectuals talk amongst themselves in bro talk.
>It's like demanding video proof of a murder when you have fifty eye witnesses, or eye witnesses when you have a security camera recording of it. You're asking for a specific type of proof that you know cannot exist so you can go "so you admit you have no proof" when we say "no, we don't have that specific type of proof." You're a manipulating piece of shit.
No, it's like asking for proof that a man murdered his wife for her inheritance. Your analogy is lackluster.
It's like saying, "Give me physical, absolute proof that this convicted killer who killed his wife did so for her inheritance and not for stepping out of the marriage, because she backtalked, because she wanted a divorce, because she didn't put mustard on his ham sandwich, etc."
>he thinks this is about destroying a feminist
Only a retard would try to attempt that. /v/ were the fucking pioneers in fucking over gaming by attacking feminists in an attempt to stop them from influencing gaming. Nobody reasonable /v/ poster would do such a thing or is actively trying to destroy Zoe. Not after the retards hijacked opinion on Anita and made her a martyr.
I couldn't give a flying shit about the feminists at this point, they're here to stay.
>First, I don't see why they'd be allowed to cover up personal sexual relations anyway
because it has nothing to do with gaming or journalism, this isnt national enquirer. granted its fucking hilarious.
>And you're ignoring the fact that this IS NOT A PERSONAL MATTER. She is confirmed to have had sex with a journalist who gave her publicity. That's not a private matter.
>She is confirmed to have had sex with a journalist who gave her publicity
look I want this bitch to go down as much as you do but I'm a little more reasonable about what we can accomplish at this point.
I am a game developer at a AAA studio, and I'm not in this magical club where we're all friends with Zoe. How did I miss the invite? Everyone else in the world seems to be supporting her.
>Never thought I'd see the day when I agree with Arin but fuck.
This must be a joke. Half the stuff is completely conifmed. The other stuff is a maybe but a strong maybe. Holy shit dude. Fuck yourself Arin.
>Article was named after her game
>Only screenshot shown was from her game
>Her game was the first mentioned out of the whole group
>Describes it as a "twine darling", when the descriptions used for the other two games don't hold anywhere near as positive connotation
This is clear and blatant favouritism to her game over the others.
They are 100% real because everything you see on the internet is real.
No! You're fucking retarded.
Zoe didn't corrupt gaming journalism. If that's what you believe, get out.
What Zoe did was give us an opportunity for the corruption that ALREADY EXISTED to be exposed.
Zoe herself did not create the corruption of the entire industry.
I don't see anything apart from denial from 5 guys. They may not deny the relationships but they certainly deny corruption. Where's your god now? It's your word against theirs.
>I read the whole thing. Show me the industry corruption. Those articles were paid by her sex. Her ex doesn't even accuse her for that.
Sorry, but I don't believe you.
>Until I found out she’d been cheating on me with her boss (Joshua Boggs). And a few days later we have the following conversation, where I ask for her help finding and informing his wife: (...)
>blatantly sucking egoraptor's SJW mangina
>i-i n-never agree with h-him g-guys haha its not like i-im s-subscribed to his channel
every single person that are still subscribed to gamegrumps are complete and utter retards
So regarding the Phil Fish stuff
"CloudFlare is a cacheing service for our host, so any page you'll see will he served by them; the site itself is not"
How true is this statement?
I'm not trying to derail shit dipshit, I'm asking for the fucking proof.
My god you're retarded sometimes, /v/
You're like orks. You just want to fight so bad you'll fight anyone.
I mean it in the sense that she slept for positive reviews and jobs.
I believe she did, but it can't be proven, unless one of the guys admits thats how it went down and it wasnt just 2 people fuckin. Which we all know will never happen.
Not at the time of the crucifying since he was in a mental ward. And the question was "why is it ok to ruin someones life over something that MAY have happened" and at the time the SJW's were crucifying him it was just a MAY have happened.
>69:69 PM - 11 Sept 2001
Zoe Quinn, the indie-dev behind the text-only choose-your-own-adventure game Depression Quest, cheated on her boyfriend with several people. The vindictive boyfriend wrote a substantial blog post about it, including assorted log screencaps (and eventually a youtube video showing some logs in Facebook).
Zoe Quinn, as a somewhat known indie dev (mostly for being allegedly harassed by wizardchan), is held up as a champion of social justice in the indie dev scene. Being outed as a terrible human being was like an early christmas present, and anti-SJW factions have been passing it around. What wasn't expected, however, was the insane attempt to comepletely censor and blackout any discussion of Zoe's infidelity, which only served to rile up the anti-SJWs into a frothing mass of anger and hatred. Resulting in a sever case of the Streisand effect.
Several of the (confirmed) people who Zoe cheated with are significant names in the indie dev scene or game journalism. Though there are no direct reviews from these people, they do give generally positive comments on Zoe, but did not reveal the extent of their relationship.
Everywhere, fucktard. This has been going on since late 08/18/14 at the latest. There's full threads with links and everything. Fuck man, check gamefaqs, they're keeping score with this, too of all things.
The proof is right in front of you. Do you dare to look at it?
If you posted a chat log of that Anon's mom and Jennifer Lawrence talking about good the dicking they got from you was and then neither Anon's mom nor Jennifer Lawrence denied it when it went viral I would probably believe you Anon.
What we have proven is that there is corruption through the conflict of interest of the journalists she did sleep with.
We can't say what the motives were, as those will likely never be admitted, but the fact that they did sleep with her and still wrote articles about her afterwards that praised and defended her is enough to show that corruption does exist.
The goal is to get some hard evidence corruption at any level exists as far as I can tell. The people still wasting their time attacking Zoe because they hate women have kinda missed the point.
Why should there be proof. Any proof anyone brings forward will be denied with a "that can be faked!" it is worthless to bring proof to worthless people who will deny it being proof regardless of what the proof is.
They've been promoting her games and various other shit without admitting that they had a relationship with her. There's your proof. And now we have even better proof, as THEY ARE CENSORING THIS ENTIRE FUCKING INCIDENT. How many times is this going to be have to be repeated before you idiots get it? They are happy to ruin lives of men and post any shitty rumor, but this specific topic gets deleted and users banned for bringing it up. Censorship is a pretty fucking damning proof of corruption.
You forgot the most important part.
Quinn's relations to these people went undisclosed when she recieved employment, awards, and positive press from those she adultered with. Thus, the integrity of all of the organizations that published, employed, and gave accolades to Quinn has been compromised, revealing widespread corruption in gaming journalism.
JUST A CLARIFICATION:
The only people who have actually been revealed to have been in a relationship with Zoe Quinn are Nathan Grayson, Joshua Boggs, and Robin Arnott.
Nathan Grayson has confirmed it.
Joshua Boggs has basically gone silent, deleting a majority of his digital footprint in the process, most likely to stop people from trying to contact him and his family.
Robin Arnott's been more or less silent throughout.
The other two people who've been fingered are only from assumptions by a couple of /v/-goers playing detective, and one has outright denied being involved (and since he was a musician, it didn't really fit her M.O. anyways). The boyfriend himself intentionally withheld information of them because, from what Zoe told him, they did not know that she was in a relationship at the time, and were thus pretty much innocent.
Buying good game reviews and censorship of unwanted opinions.
As I said, this is the case that has given us an opportunity to expose it, so no there isn't any hard evidence of anything in the past.
You'd have to be the most blissfully ignorant person in the world if you ever believed nothing was going on behind the scenes. Everyone knew there was deals being cut, but there hadn't ever been a way to prove anything.
And when people brought you videos and chat logs you immediately scream "that's fake!!!" so no why should anyone supply you with never ending proof that you are just going to deny? You don't deserve proof because you deny anything brought to you as proof.
All entries are sorted on their plausibility:
>[ ] Not true.
>[X] Confirmed, usually through her own tweets and the facebook conversations with her ex-bf.
>[O] Highly plausible, but not confirmed.
>[?] Not enough information.
Let's begin with misconceptions:
>[ ] A journalist she slept with reviewed her game! (No)
>[ ] She acknowledged that she slept for coverage! (No)
>[X] Her boyfriend made an entire blog telling the story of how she manipulated and cheated on him, with video proof.
>[X] She has confirmed her boyfriend's story, but suggest that all of it is purely private.
>[X] She somehow stumbled upon a niche imageboard for depressed wizards and noticed posts complaining about her views on depression she eventually lies and fuels multiple news topics until she gets her game green-lighted. (The only source in all related 'news' articles is Zoe herself)
>[X] Thinks that cheating is the same as rape.
>[X] Slept with 3 confirmed guys working in the gaming industry while in a relationship and 2 others whose identities are speculated.
>[X] 1 of those guys is a journalist, who in an article singled her and two other games out in a list of 50, the main picture in the article is of her game.
>[X] Was acquainted during or before the article of coverage?
>[X] Contacted webarchive and the host of a news site to remove the very first publication of the story along with the rest of the site.
Source: http://gamesnosh.com/zoe-quinn-scandal/ https://twitter.com/GamesNosh/status/501743426111827969
>suddenly alright to ruin someones life for something they may have done
why does the internet think that this only just started happening when it finally happens to a woman?
>things that never happened.
Yah okay buddy, eat a dick SJW.
You literally have fucking nothing except "she had sex with 5 guys maybe hahahaha" - even then, sex is not fucking currency. You're trying to pretend you're uncovering some kind of huge corruption but all you've managed to do is piss everyone off.
Whoa, man, hey, I'm on your side.
I was merely commenting on how it's literally impossible to give the kind of proof they want. It's not possible to prove the reasoning behind an action. It's simply not possible.
You can't PROVE that ZQ did it for publicity, but the proof of the reason isn't necessary. All that matters is that it HAPPENED.
I've been monitoring this garbage for the last week and there's been no organization of harrassment here. There's been demands for accountability and transparency yes, but no calls to hound anyone.
>[X] Inner circle Reddit mod contacted her and auto-censored over 20,000+ comments and several related posts, one linking a long tweet by Total Biscuit
>[X] Her game got an award from one of the confirmed guys.
Source: http://i.imgur.com/NmNinXx.png , http://www.indiecade.com/about/teams/
>[X] A guy in their inner circles tried to come out on twitter that he was sexually abused by Zoe during Phil Fish's wedding, he was later harassed by Phil Fish and eventually retracted his comment.
>[X] She and her fans are offended that a comic portrayed her nude.
>[X] She sells pictures on a porn site where she gets fully nude.
>[X] JonTron laughs at the comic above.
>[X] Inappropriately attacked a Women's Gaming Event where people can vote on game concepts designed by women, because of a misunderstanding around the policies of transsexuals. (She thought transition meant genital surgery) She also disagrees on the majority of the profits going to charity instead of the already lucky girl who's actually getting 8% of the profits and her own game developed for FREE by both the event hosts themselves and supporters of the event.
>[O] One of the first videos discussing the subject used a picture taken from the steam store, it eventually got removed by a DMCA claim from 'Zoey Quinn'
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Equc1QnQ9rw [Embed] (Reupload)
That's not the point.
Of course Zoe Quinn cheated on her girlfriend. What's unknown is whether she slept with anyone in exchange for positive coverage. All this outrage is about something a Kotaku writer might have done, or might not.
Though personally Ithink that /v/ just wanted to attack a SJW who made a non-game to undeserved praise ,and used Quinn's cheating as an excuse. They secretly wish it was a Gone Home developer who cheated.
>thinks there's any journalistic rivalry
Dude, media may fight for page hits/ratings/subscriptions/etc., but at the end of the day they're almost ALL either owned by the same folk(s), financially/politically/physically supported by the same folk(s), or fucking each other.
Besides, all the ex had at that point was her being a lying, cheating bitch. Which isn't uncommon. Much of this cascaded from there.
ok so go after her one these conflicts of interest, that is if you can or have confirmation of this being true from something other than the Zoe Post.
>We can't say what the motives were, as those will likely never be admitted, but the fact that they did sleep with her and still wrote articles about her afterwards that praised and defended her is enough to show that corruption does exist.
but it could also prove they fucked and they also just liked the game, know what I mean? This shit is nearly impossible to get them on. And I haven't seen much of anyone talking about confilict of interest as much as whos fucking who and whos SJW and what jontron is doing.
Her sleeping around isn't proof of corruption, it may hint at possible corruption, but you aren't proving anything.
Newsflash: you can't prove this case because both parties will just deny it.
Where was Arin when his fellow SJW was getting ripped to shreds for something he MAY have done?
Can I get a tl;dr of what happened today since I just got home from work? All I've seen so far is the faggot who made fez got fucked in the ass too hard and sold his company to /v/ or something like that.
No but /v/, reddit, have been known for going full autist over things like this before. It's not a stretch to imagine it happening it again. In any case, the people who are organising harassment have most likely been censored already, hence you don't see them.
Just a hypothetical question here for some people in the thread:
Let's just say Nathan Grayson had been requested to write a piece on Zoe Quinn while he was in a relationship with her.
Do we have any proof beyond his own word that he would have disclosed this information with his supervisor, and potentially, the public? Why, at this stage, should we trust him when he apparently saw no violation of ethics in having this relationship in the first place?
inb4 "But journalists have relationships that could be a conflict of interest all the time!" No, they don't. There are literally thousands of journalists all around the world, in dozens of different fields, working for thousands of different press outfits, who are somehow able to make it through their careers without fucking their sources. When they do, they tend to tell the necessary superiors who either get someone else to cover the story, or make this relationship public knowledge as a disclosure. Why should we treat games journalism any differently?
Why didn't Klepek defend his friend?
A better topic of conversation: Who the fuck cares?
Quoted for great justice.
And an industry that cannot deal with its own bullshit without ruining people's lifes is pretty fucking sick in itself.
>And I haven't seen much of anyone talking about confilict of interest as much as whos fucking who and whos SJW and what jontron is doing.
Because the majority of people don't understand what the issue with the whole situation is, unfortunately. And we do have confirmation on this being true. It's already been admitted by 2 of the guys that they slept with her, the others will follow suit simply due to the insane amounts of pressure being thrown upon them.
In regards to them just fucking and liking the game, yeah, it's possible. But you know what? Once they entered into an intimate relationship like that with her, they lost the ability to write a credible, non-biased article about her and the game. All integrity is lost when a journalist pulls something like this.
2 of them admitted to it, she herself has slipped up and admitted to it several times in passive aggressive tweets before realizing what she said and deleting them.
Girlfriend of another one who was involved came out and and said, yeah, it happened.
There is no denying this- it definitely happened.
fuck man i said that's good stuff. But all it PROVES is she fucked her boss.
Yes it can be a conflict of interest. so go with that. I dont know why there hasnt been a twitter outcry about this in the first place. It's really the only angle we have with any real backup.
it wasn't so much anti-SJW's as it was people just plain pissed off at such bad behavior from so-called journalists.
Those who were frothing at the mouth calling her out specifically were mostly under-15 year olds.
Poor wizardchan was a fucking mess through the whole thing.
>oh wow, people in the industry have relationships.
>implying this isn't a big deal
How many female indie devs has Grayson given publicity to that he HASNT slept with? This kind of thing perpetuates a problematic "casting couch" culture where the only worth a woman has in this industry is if she's having sex with a man
But WE'RE the misogynists. Apparently
I don't blame Zoe. She met some hot dudes, boned them, who cares? The free press is incidental. I'd like to think my hookups were looking out for me. She feels terrible for what she did - sleeping with her boss, and all she really wants to do is make games. Yeah, she wants attention, but who the fuck doesn't? She's trying to bring value to the whole gaming community, and they vicisouly rammed her harder than the older neighborhood boy did to my asshole in the third grade.
Zoe, it's gonna be alright. I'm depressed Depression Quest 2.0 will be delayed.
There, anon, I opened the dictionary for you, and I marked with an asterisk the important parts:
1. the act of corrupting or state of being corrupt
2. moral perversion; depravity*
3. dishonesty*, esp bribery
4, putrefaction or decay
5, alteration, as of a manuscript
6. an altered form of a word
Her cheating on her boyfriend isn't even the case with the most proof. If you've read about the thing that happened at wizardchan and all the false claims she made, while being backed up by these 'journalists' without even asking for proof in her own defense in first place, is all what you need to call it corruption. Besides, you keep walking in circles about that single word instead of looking at the big picture here, which is all this whole thing that has happened on this board, and reddit, and other places is about. I'm not going to spoonfeed the information to you this time because you're being willfully dense. This argument ends here for me.
has anyone brought up the fact that this is what social justice warriors are doing to darren wilson? You don't know if he did it out of hate or self defense yet everyone attacks him as if they know.
Oh, great, damage control agents are out in full force now.
>Hey guys, I don't think you have proof of anything.
>That isn't actually proof
>Here's more proof
>Nope, it's not physically tangible.
Thanks for constantly moving the goalpost. I think we could bring you in front of Zoe having an ogry with those five dudes and you'd still deny it as a drug induced hallucination orgnaized by the patriarchy.
Eh, not really. Other than being annoyed that these threads taking up space instead decent vidya discussion, I'm pretty indifferent.
You fucks who say this shit.
You go the fuck here
You read the fuck out of those acts
You see the proof
Her ex boyfriend disclosed the fucking logs about how Zoe ADMITTED herself that she fucked those guys.
Now fuck off.
*nods respectfully towards you*
This is the first time it has happened guys.
not the same people that cared about Max Temkin.
I don't think there's anyone who doesn't want more accountablility in videogame journalism. But until someone has an actual smoking gun people take money and/or favours for coverage (or worse, positive reviews). There's been a ton of circumstantial shit, look all the way back to Jeff Gerstmann being fired from Gamespot, but nobody has any solid proof of it happening in the public domain. Sadly gaming has a definite lack of whistleblowers.
There is a significant contingent of people who are pushing the conflict of interest in journalism angle, and they have every right to do so. But there is also a significant number of people who are just happy to watch a self-righteous asshole fall off their pedestal and face plant so beautifully.
my only exposure to ego was the first sequalitus
then game grumps happened and we found out the truth
did something happen over time to poison him or was he always this bad and just hid it well?
so annoyed you bothered to post AND respond to a thread, thats...uh...pretty dedicated there apathy anon....
It means you are with us or against us.
>moving the goal post
No I said proof of industry corruption from the very fucking beginning. Prove that as a result of the relationship, those articles were written. OR proof that she slept with those people to get those articles written.
Evidence of her sleeping around showing nothing OTHER THAN SHE SLEEPING AROUND.
>ask for proof of corruption, conflict of interest
>SHE FUCKED 5 GUYS
>ask for proof that this had anything to do with conflict of interest
>SHE FUCKED 5 GUYS!!
keep missing the fucking point, we're failing here
"It means that every woman who has ever claimed to be raped has been raped and if you do not support their version of events then you are raping her, too."
"Women cannot rape men, it is physically impossible."
If you don't care, stay out of this.
Why the fuck are you butting into this?
She fucked people who gave her coverage.
The Kotaku article was quickly deleted after the incident was hinted about.
Any effort to discuss this incident was effectively and thoroughly muffled on multiple site, including Kotaku, RPS, NeoGAF, Reddit, 4chan, etc... multiple people acquainted with her have direct tie with being able to moderate these sites.
Now if that's not fucking corruption, I don't know what the fuck is.
>Ruined her life
She fucked two married guys who are probably about to go through a nasty divorce.
What is context???
This is like North Korea nuking the US and you coming online to say
>big deal, they pushed a button
Not saying that fucking people for favorable coverage is comparable to nuking a country, but I made an extreme example so you can hopefully understand how dumb you are
This isn't even a logical fallacy. I don't know what this is. It's like just the straight ignoring of facts, but not actually backing down. He keeps responding and i don't know why