Is gaming journalism well and truly corrupt?
I would like /v/'s honest opinion.
Can it be saved? Is it worth saving? What can we do?
Hey friends here's a fun little tip for you!
If you see a thread you believe isn't about video games on /v/ then you:
But remember kids the absolute worst thing you can do is reply to it especially if you happen to be bumping the thread in the process! And never forget it's the Mod's and Janitor's job to decide what is and isn't vidya not yours!
gaming COLUMNISTS are corrupt if that's what you're asking
That would be really sad, especially since the 'you know what' scandal is more relevant to gaming and game journalism than 80% of /v/ threads at any given time.
>Scandal about game journalist and associated employer possibly having shit integrity
>NO NO NO NOT RELEVANT
>right next to that thread: BIGGEST TITS IN VIDYA ITT, CLAIM YOUR WAIFU IN VIDYA
This is entirely relevant and shouldn't be deleted. Only proves /v/ is containment and nothing more.
>stay on topic
>no ad hominem attacks (including Anons, Zoe, etc.)
>no insulting the mods (this is the quickest way to get your thread deleted, they're very touchy)
>if someone tells you this isn't vidya, ignore them
>STAY ON TOPIC
Alright, this is what we're really here for anyway.
DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT MEMESPOUTING AND IGNORE ANY SJWS OR BAWW-OFFTOPIC WHINERS
I was in the last thread and made this to avoid the shitflinging.
I want to know more about the guys whom claim Quinn doxxed them and ruined their women's/charity game jam.
you have to understand
the score isn't referring to how good the game is at a whole
just how good it would be to its primary audience
for the starters, party babies is aimed at moronic retards who actually think the score means anything
Speaking of video game journalism and its relevance to video games did you guys get a load of this chick. Holy moley!
Go throw up facts on twitter tags that retards parse through.
Go bomb comments sections of gaming sites with the evidence of all this BS that's been happening.
Go email off the facts with sources to people you might still consider trustworthy or even hungry enough to run an article on it.
Just make this shit explode.
More developers need things like Nintendo Directs. Send us YOUR message, don't let ANYONE ELSE send it for you.
If you're trusting someone else with your art, you cannot be fucking trusted, just like the journalist cannot be fucking trusted.
I (PC only) read pretty much 4chan, PCGamesN, Eurogamer, and Gamesindustry.biz only
bit of twitter and youtube
ignore most scores, personal opinions, etc
just sorta mix and match general opinions of multiple people, and other people playing the games to see how they play
I really don't want to make meta posts but can the mods at least try to clarify why these are being deleted? Gaming "jounalism" is reaching a critical point and as IA's video made pretty clear even for retards saying otherwise, it IS tampering with the medium as a whole.
THIS IS VIDEO GAMES
Tl;dr, no, it would have to be torn up by its very roots in order to be salvaged.
I don't hate gaming journalism. In fact, I can say that at one time, I loved it.
I hate what it's become.
Even more so, I hate MYSELF for letting it happen.
We can fix this. This scandal is just the proof we need to force change.
because journalists determine what casuals care about, which in turn determines how all games are made
news flash, no one gives a shit about you as an individual. they care about what the majority's wallet says
if the vocal majority says having a penis is a sin, then guess what
Thanks for ruining video games, tumblr. I just don't care anymore. Someone put me in an arwing and ship me off to corneria. Constant war is better than watching my favorite hobby die.
Speaking of gaming journalism, can you show me some of the most disgustingly bad examples?
Ideally blatantly paid reviews or similar, rather than SJW nonsense.
I need it for research purposes. (Not serious research, just personal research for my own interests.)
REMINDER THAT MODS ARE DELETING THREADS RELATED TO ZOE QUINN
REPOST ALL ZOE QUINN INFO
/v/ can't do this, /v/ is a shithole, they can't rally to save ANYTHING they love
they sit on their hands and cry about their hobby being killed while lifting naught a finger to help save it
DELETE THIS LINK NOW!
It's all done. I'll still watch Yahtzee. Most of the time, he's a straight shooter with conviction
>Is gaming journalism well and truly corrupt?
Yes, with the fallout of Gone Home winning every award under the sun and the recent Quinnsiracy it is clearly apparent that it is one big circle jerk.
>Can it be saved?
>Is it worth saving?
What can we do?
Just don't listen to them, ignore them. Let them die off just like gossip magazines.
That's why I said pool rules. It implies "if you don't do those, you're not gonna get arrested but you are going to have a bad time. I can't stop you. You need to stop yourself." We get nowhere if we just keep posting Five Guys jokes.
These people already fucked up:
And if we continue, this thread's going to get deleted. Hopefully the other thread will corral the retards and this one will have the people who know how to behave themselves.
Why doesn't /v/ start their own video game journalism website if they don't like the state of video game journalism?
Here is their channel. Funny thing is they seem to be pro-femisim and Zoe still went after for no reason whatsoever. Is retarded the amount of power that woman has.
they wanted to help women make games and Zoe shut them down.
No its fucked. Unsalvageable. Everything needs to be torn down and built back up from scratch, which wont happen, at least not by us or any one group of people. It'll just collapse in on itself eventually, hopefully.
A few months ago I had a serious intention of buying some web hosting and creating my own gaming site. Just reviews, though. No blog shit, no "gaming culture" tripe...just reviews of games I was playing or had finished. I decided against it, especially since we already had p4r which I thought filled the niche well enough.
All of this is making me consider it again, though. Web hosting is pretty cheap, all things considered, so if nothing else it could be a pet project, even if I don't get many/any readers.
I still remember Kane and Lynch.
I still remember IGN God Hand.
I still remember Gamespot Freedom Unite.
This has been a huge problem for so damn long and it seems every time the issue pops up there's always this little group of loud people telling you to shut up and don't dare talk about it.
Just because we ignore them doesn't mean casuals will.
The vocal minority says Dark Souls 2 is a terrible, awful game that isn't worth your time in the least. Guess what infrequent /v/ posters listen to.
/v/ liked Yahtzee, then hated him because he got really popular, then some people started to say they liked him just to troll/spite the rest of /v/.
He's still relatively popular, so I guess /v/ hates him, but I don't even know anymore.
It's nothing but a puppeteered corpse now.
IF OBJECT TO THIS THREAD REPORT IT AND MOVE ON. THIS IS MY ONLY ACKNOWLEDGMENT TO THE SHIT POSTERS AND OTHERS SHOULD FOLLOW SUIT. I REPEAT IGNORE THEM.
Thank you for posting that anon I will check it out.
Yes I agree it is really strange that they are kinda 'on the same side' and yet Zoe shut them down.
I heard Zoe is doing her own Game Jam and getting money for it somehow? What's that all about?
Then lets talk about this shit then. because this shit is serious. We let this shit go on for years and we cant sit idly by and let this shit continue.
>OP tries to honestly make a decent thread for discussion to actually occur in
>/v/'s rampant shitposting armada flood it and try to start shit yet again
I-it's our culture!
No hell has a better chance of being saved. It is not worth saving. Nothing.
You can't just ignore it and hope it goes away, because it wont. Even if nobody talked about it she'd continue doing what she does and rising higher and higher.
Nothing is ever fixed by looking the other way.
I never really paid much attention to what journalists say, ever. I honestly could care less if they find something offensive, or if they think a game is good or not. I'll be the judge of that, depending on if I want to even play the game in the first place. That being said, I really don't want to see the gaming industry become effected by these people. Admittedly, most of the games I play are from Japan, and they generally don't give a fuck what anyone says, but I still don't like the idea of a small group of people dictating what kinds of games are made.
gatheryourparty already exists.
It sucks because they're too safe and not sensationalist enough.
If there's one thing that clickbaits better than telling people the games they hate are perfect and to stop bitching, it's telling people the games they love are complete shit.
since Videogame Journalism is partially corrupted by publishers who won't send play test discs unless the review is to their liking /v/ would rather shoot itself in the foot then suck corporate dick just to spark videogame journalism that wasn't about feminism.
Making a dozen threads on /v/ and making epic maymays isn't going to do shit, /v/ is a hugbox and nothing that happens here is ever productive in any way. You want to make a difference, do it somewhere else. /v/ is just an echo chamber.
This whole thing reminds me of what happened to the creator of the cartoon "Clarence", Skyler Page.
Of course, since he is the one accuesed, and for being male, he got shit on by everyone
No, I don't believe that. We tried to ignore them and we allowed this to happen.
If you ignore scandals and corruption it will only worsen.
Knowledge is power. Pretending nothing is wrong won't fix anything.
THE VIDEOS ARE RELEVANT BECAUSE THEY POINT OUT HOW CORRUPT THE INDUSTRY HAS BECOME
IF CALLING INTO QUESTION THE MORALITY OF THE VERY INDUSTRY THAT PRODUCES VIDEO GAMES ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
I found that I've become much happier once I just stopped caring about shitty gaming journalism/culture/SJWs
No one gives a shit about her being an unloyal slut except for /r9k/ faggots. It's about her using those relationships to boost her own agenda. Same shit happened with Dina of Mighty No. 9
I agree completely, Anon. With how corrupt gaming journalism has become, devs won't even have to attempt to make good games in the future. They can just fuck their way to the top, and they'll get a GOTY like Gone Home. Not only will they have an "award" for making fucking nothing, but they will have an audience to eat their shit up.
Look at how retarded Dragon Age: Inquisition looks. Look at how stupid it looks when you try to integrate modern ideals into a setting that's derived from MIDDLE EARTH. On the other hand, Witcher 3 gets slammed by SJWs even though it paints a much more accurate picture of "Ye Olde" culture than DA:I.
SJWs are a cancer. They hold back developers from creating enthralling worlds, and they are only content with women's power fantasies. Look at that one Shitaku article that focuses on how straight white men shouldn't play as themselves. Video games have had players play as aliens, skeletons, gods, and demons, yet these cunts get upset because some guy wants to play as an accurate representation of himself in an RPG? This is related to video games, /v/. If this issue isn't dealt with ASAP, then video games will become worse.
We've been "ignoring" them for 5 years and look where it left us?
No, there is no way to rob their power. It's over, they've won. They have a mainstream readerbase we'll never be able to influence, and if we try to discredit them they can just keep peddling their usual "gamers are misogynist bullies" line and everyone will lap it up.
Just move on. Good games will still come out at least sometimes, we just won't be able to trust what the "journalists" are saying about them.
Remember, they do it for free guys.
Why haven't some /v/irgins made a gayming jernalizm site that wasn't full of SJW bullshit, non-games and biased reviews? It seems like a logical step forward, sense most of /v/ hates modern gaming journalism.
It doesn't matter. The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Publicity is a wonderful thing and you're unwillingly being the helpful idiot by making sure everyone knows who Zoe Quinn is. And the next time she releases a game, it's get ten times the attention purely due to brand recognition. It doesn't matter whether it's positive or not, people will get it through sheer curiosity and "journalists" will report on it because everyone knows the person behind it. There's a reason why celebrities thrive on scandals.
>the retarded masses listne to their made up infograms
NO YOU FUCKING RETARD LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS DOESN"T FUCKING WORK AND NEVER WILL
MAYBE YOU"RE CONTENT WITH BEING A FUCKING PANSY AND SITTING ON YOUR ASS BUT IN REALITY IT ONLY HURTS, WHAT YOU AND YOUR FILTHY COCK FOR BRAINS ILK SHOULD BE DOING IS GATHERING FACTS AND PRESENTING THEM NOT TO THE RETARDED SJWs BUT TO THE MASSES, WHEN THE SJWs COME WITH THEIR "FACTS" AND THEIR "INFORMATION" ASK THEM TO CITE IT, ASK THEM TO SHOW THEIR SORUCES AND THEN REND THEIR SHITTY BIASED ARTICLES TO SHERDS INFRONT OF THE MASSES
WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE MASSES NOT YOUR ENEMIES YOU STUPID SACK OF DOGSHIT WRAPPED IN DRIED SEMEN RAGS
GODDAMN I'M ANGRY
It doesn't matter if we stop talking about it, they'll always have attention, and they'll always have fuel, news flash fuckwit, we aren't the only website with people who don't like this shit.
Shutting up helps in no way, fighting and pushing lead to finding conclusive proof that she's a scam artist.
>BUT THEY DEFENDED HER ANYWAY
Yeah the people who are fucking paid to defend her kept defending her, are you really trying to argue that not a single person stopped listening to her bullshit because she was outed as a scam artist?
This is not a campaign to stop anyone from speaking no matter how fucking retarded they are, this is a campaign to document just how retarded they are, everyone who is on the fence, everyone who doesn't fully understand the issue and just looks for random opinions, every little piece of info that comes out against them is another push for them to understand just how much nonsense they spew.
The point where the SJWs are the only voices being heard is the point where they win and they do what they want, no it doesn't fucking matter that they don't listen to reason in their little hugbox communities, they're a tiny minorty, we're a tiny minority.
Why do you need video game journalism?
Want a review of a game? Pirate it yourself and then decide. Then buy if you like it.
Read press releases from publishers yourself.
Who gives a fuck about gaming awards anyway?
There. All fixed.
But then you'll start seeing it creep up on you. Some girl in vidya gets her tits reduces, a game you like doesn't get localized for being "sexist".
It will all start crumbling down.
>A mod for the armpit of the internet calling other people out for contributing to the fall of civilization.
It won't surprise me when if this thread gets deleted. These past 2 weeks mods have been getting BTFO and embarrassed left and right.
Who could forget that false Smash reveal that mods stickied, and then tried to damage control.
most newfags don't even know what /q/ is, not to mention during the whole MN9 thing I took a dive into SRS's domain and found shit like them organizing raids and their sub forum moderation teams even HELPING THEM, which is in direct violation of even reddit's rules, I even remember seeing screen caps
They're very much here
>you can't be angry about anything because ukraine and israel
this is such stupid fucking logic. i hope his family dies of cancer and people tell him to shut the fuck up because people are dying from ebola in africa.
>thread isn't about video games in the first place
>shitposters spend all their time not talking about video games
>b-but we're trying and you just won't let us! ;_;
You've had 100+ threads to talk about video games. If you didn't try then, you won't try now.
Yes, you go ahead with your ten page long infographics and reach out to the retards who still haven't realized those games don't deserve the 10/10s they're getting. Go, save video games. Godspeed.
That mod is a massive fucking hypocrite and a pretentious faggot. It was never about her cheating bullshit, but the implications of her sleeping around in the industry. People couldn't discuss this ANYWHERE. It was littlerally shutdown everywhere but /pol/.
Guy made a blog post about Zoe Quinn, turns out she's a cunt who sleeps with people so they write good reviews of her games.
Mods decided that any thread about her is against rule 4. Not that some aren't of course, but deleting every single thread about her is stupid.
No ignoring them is what has lead to this problem in the first fucking place.
Anyone have that pic of the orignal mens rights movment from the ealry 1900s that said just ignore them. That ended well right.
>mfw SRS doesn't even know how to sage good and proper
Jeez senpai, you should really step it up
Yes it's corrupt.
Maybe it can be saved, if the people involved are pure of heart and deed.
Is it worth saving? Probably.
What can we do? Short of being the pure of heart and deed, nothing. And GYP shows that /v/ journalism is anything but pure of heart and deed.
holy fuck are you dumb
no you're not worth explaining to, if you cna't understand the concept of gathering facts and debate then you don't deserve any explanation. you're a goddamn retard and I can't wait for your mentally defective ass to drop dead
Everything is corrupt.
SJWs are the cancer here, not journalists. Journalists are just doing what they usually do.
SJWs need to be put in a camp and shot. I think we can afford the bullets.
Every one of those threads turns into invasion circlejerk witchhunts on par with eceleb threads.
They. Are. Not. Vidya. Fucking get over it. And while you're at it, stop spamming /pol/ with threads about how /v/'s mods are SJWs for banning what are clearly eceleb threads. It's really fucking annoying.
Journalism in general is a fucking joke these days. It only reflects in these stupid screengame ratemedoos because the actual news agencies have the same problems. You could even say corruption and soapboxing has become an industry standard.
It probably won't fix itself at this rate, but if it does, we won't live to see a turnaround in quality.
>it was littlerally shutdown everywhere but /pol/.
Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the threads being "THIS SLUT FUCKED FIVE GUYS, LET'S MAKE BURGER JOKES INSTEAD AND CALL WOMEN BITCHES AND WHORES INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING JOURNALISM"
>all those links to Quinnspiracy Theory
Let's admit it, she's a pathetic nobody. First, she tried to get more recognition for her shitty "game" on greenlight. It failed until she cooked up some bullshit about how wizardchan supposedly e-bullied her. Then she fucked a guy to promote her game. Then another, and another, and another, and another. She had to fuck five guys to get them to give positive feedback for her pile of shit. And the funniest part is that she did all of this for free. Her shitty non-game is free and she still went through all this trouble, because her game is that bad.
This, pretty much. Maybe there's someone out there who can fix this, but it sure as hell isn't the 15-year-olds on /v/ who can't address the issue rationally or structure an argument without huge fallacies and resorting to name-calling. Just look at that youtube video, it's fucking embarrassing to watch even if he's more or less on the right side. Nobody is going to take crap like that seriously though.
Most journalists are paid off and are glorified advertisements for games. Devs know that, they're not looking to the very reviews they paid for for insight. That's what focus groups are for
he stood up to Kuchera, the king of shitty SJW gaymen journalism
also everyone defended Anita, we did ourselves (yes deal with it we didn't start the fire but we sure fucking fanned the flames) no favors in that ordeal
To be COMPLETELY fair, Sarkesian might've been shit, but /v/ blew it out of proportion just because she had a different opinion. Sure she borderline scammed using kikestarter, but she is technically delivering.
However, this is corruption plain and simple.
That comment has nothing to do with mods deleting the threads and everything to do with their moronic logic that you can only care about one thing happening in the world at once and anyone who cares about video game journalism corruption is an asshole who doesn't care about what's happening in Israel or Ukraine.
New information about the "Voice of Feminism" revealed!
They are fucking vidya because the the whole five guys thing brings the whole corruption thing to a head.
I'm tired of having my vidya shit on because special snowflakes find thing x or y problematic, and I'm fucking done with it. You can go fuck off back to your little shithole or simply filter the thread rather than shitpost in it.
There will always be good vidya anon, the problem is being blown way out of proportion. Stay away from /v/ and other shitty sites with vidya news and you start to see just how miniscule this problem really is and how little it truly effects (affects?) the industry as a whole.
And if it does all start crumbling down one day then so be it, all good things must come to an end and vidya is no different
>it's about video games
>it's also about video game journalism
>doesn't belong on /v/
>gets taken to /pol/
>can't be discussed on /pol/
>or even /b/
>all threads that even try to be civil in discussion about this controversy are outright deleted
>mfw that rant about Phil Fish
That felt satisfying, based Jim.
>you lost the fight
It's only just begun
>he thinks marketing is journalism
Because we trust articles about street fighter on a site covers with capcom banners.
Its like looking at prophets scriptures
It's like they were looking through a fucking window directly into the future. They saw it coming and were powerless to stop it.
Lay off Zoe. That's a lost cause. Go straight tot he source. Go after the 5 men who actually have positions in the media. The ones that we actually have a problem with.
People have said exactly why they're related to video games several times. Meanwhile, the only rebuttal is "notvidyanotvidyanotvidya" ad fucking nauseum.
So tell me how it isn't vidya.
>/v/ blew it out of proportion just because she had a different opinion.
Go to bet Anita.
It wasnt cause of different opinion and most of the so called theats to her were most likely done by Anita herself. It was all part of the scam.
You actually what? I'm not even him but holy shit how naive can you be?
The "journalists" are an advertisement tube, nothing else. The devs know very well what the masses want - the same shit that's been selling for a decade, be it Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty. The press gets an early copy of those AAA titles only if they promise a nice score, and the magazines want them because who the fuck will buy one without a review of the brand new hyped title? They influence the industry in no way whatsoever, it's the other way around.
Next you're going to tell me that banning Shitaku was a move perpatrated by the sjw mods.
Stop giving a fuck about retarded bullshit. It's stupid drama on some no name whore, and you're an awful person for dragging this garbage in here.
>paying the slightest attention to Gawker and it's subsidies
I guess a sucker really is born every minute, holy fuck.
I'd post that "just don't look" thing from that show but I can't find it on tribetube.
>No, I read it.
You can ignore things you have read.
You're asking for unobtainable evidence because discussion cannot be directly linked to actions such as Anita's I-don't-like-games video being leaked, it's just a pure fact that discussion anywhere at all leads to discussion elsewhere which leads to the right people getting information which leads to actions such as video leaks.
That's how information and discussion works, it spreads like a fuckin virus.
>It wasnt cause of different opinion and most of the so called theats to her were most likely done by Anita herself. It was all part of the scam.
It doesn't fucking matter and it's irrelevent toward the discussion.
>he's a janitor
>on the internet
>on an anime imageboard
>he does it for free
>he takes his "job" very seriously
>he does it because it is the only amount of power and control he will ever have in his pathetic life
>he deletes threads he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack
>he deletes threads he doesn't like because they interfere with the large backlog of little girl chinese cartoons he still has to watch
>he will never have a real job
>he will never move out of his parent's house
>he will never be at a healthy weight
>he will never know how to cook anything besides a hot pocket
>he will never have a girlfriend
>he will never have any friends
>went to college for a journalism degree
>work in newspaper for a few years, hoping to get into gaming journalism
>shit such as this happens
I'm so glad I'm moving on to a new field. Gaming journalism is a fucking joke, I can't name an A-list website in gaming that has a shred of fucking journalistic integrity. if by some miracle a single Kotaku or RPS or Giant Bomb or whatever personality is reading this, I want you to know that you're a fucking sellout and a disgrace to objectivism.
>ITT SRS starting to slide
it's happening, you niggers always hand wave it but 4chan is infested and targted by white knights and shit starters like SRS
report any post that doesn't contribute to the thread's topic, remember this
You guys think Dean is mad enough to get inside Zoe?
oh shit look out, this guy's mad at the internet
he's so pissed he might even get his guy fawkes mask out from the closet, he's capable of anything
Everyone is tunnel visioned right now which is the problem. The #1 goal should be to find the wife. We have evidence of their cheating. Thats what we use against them.
>even Phil "BEHEAD ALL WHITE MALE BABIES" Fish is involved in this clusterfuck
>Keep trying to post news about the Zoe Quinn shit on Leddit r/games.
>Thread gets removed after a couple of minutes, every single time
What the fuck is going on? Why are you allowed to post anything bad about EA or Ubisoft on Leddit, but if you dare write something bad about a female developer, the mods lose their minds?
It really isn't vidya though. It's about as vidya as kojima telling people what he ate for lunch, except with a lot more rectal rage.
Also, you should know by now after anita that giving whores attention never ends well.
I'm moving on to being a librarian now. It makes more money and it's filled with less embarrassing bastards like gaming journalists. Maybe someday when I've made it I'll do that.
>You can ignore things you have read.
But I didn't ignore it.
I read it and replied with a question.
>You're asking for unobtainable evidence
It sounds like you don't want to look for any.
A lazy person like you will not change anything.
You'll return to /v/ tomorrow with the latest new gossip, get it deleted, then cry about it.
Yeah, because 4chan is the frontier of civilization, the peak upon which humanity continues to evolve.
Whoever that was should be de-modded for bias. You shouldn't be allowed to moderate in support of your personal agenda. In addition, he's blasting people for having an opinion simply because they didn't have the information for a long time. He's also setting upa red herring, saying that this is the only thing important to "you". Why can't it all be important to you, on a continuum? Isn't something that involves gaming a lot less remote than all of the things the mod lists as "more important", which no person of 4chan would likely ever have even a minute impact on?
It's a shame that, in order to fight the clickbaiting bullshit that's destroying the game journalism sector, you have to become clickbaiting bullshit.
If you're wanting to make the site your job, anyway. I suppose if someone were willing to do it as a side project that issue's rendered null, but that means that they'll have time constraints from their actual job which means less content, which usually means fewer readers.
Mister mod. We've already talked about this. Why aren't you doing anything?
You know what, screw mods. Us gamers should voice our opinions about these threads and DEMAND they are deleted. Who's with me? As and old f*g (been here since the 90s), I think my opinion matters more than of these new f*gs.
Because indie devs are the saviors of gaming and did nothing wrong.
Y'know, I never got the hate for Phil.
I've been waiting for him to release a new vid for what seems like forever. Thank you, based Jim.
I never miss an opportunity to shit on Kotaku around my friends. The internet is ripe for real game journalism with integrity. Who will be the one to rise up and establish a new, unbiased gaming news site?
Gaming journalism should never have been a thing. It could be saved, but no it is not worth saving.
What do gaming journalists do?
1. Provide subjective reviews shittier than your friends' or some jackoff's on steam
2. Why anyone even cares: create controversy and drama.
You know "gaming journalism" is only relevant for #2.
Ask the gods of shitposting
>But I didn't ignore it.
You did, and now you're doing it again.
When presented with information that answers your question you whine because it's not the impossible answer you demanded.
>ignore ignore ignore, surely it will all go away
Yeah, look where that got us, fuck all nowhere except deeper in the shit. As much as you want to believe it's all clickbait and ignoring it makes it die, we wouldn't be here if that was true.
Someone get Gawker contact details for the heads. If we want to see some action happen, go over Kotaku and right to the lifeblood that makes them exist, and bring it to their attention.
>and this shit is tertiary at best..
Stop trying to circumvent everything to suit your view.
This is a discussion on gaming journalism, which is gaming related.
I'm' quite certain you ordinarily wouldn't have a problem if it was just discussion about this site or that writer but since this is an expose on rampant corruption within the gaming journalism industry, suddenly it's "tertiary".
>video game journalism isn't video game culture
>It's a shame that, in order to fight the clickbaiting bullshit that's destroying the game journalism sector, you have to become clickbaiting bullshit.
There's a point where you just have to stop gazing into the abyss and let it go.
Because a publication is reliant on a publisher to supply review copies in order to release reviews when those reviews are still relevant, they have always been corrupt, by definition. A Publisher tells them what score a thing should get, or if they care about what score it gets, and it gets that, or the publication can go pound sand when the next game comes out.
As long as games journalism is for profit business they can never not be corrupt.
>not even just hiding the thread and making one about something you want to talk about
You're a bigger problem then the "dramawhores' you so fight against because you do nothing but complain.
Totalbiscuit is a good one, in all seriousness. He is pretty fucking upfront with shilling, to the point he now straight up tells you if the video in question has a deal with him.
He also does a pretty solid job of reviews, and talks about important shit mostly and understands gaming pretty well.
But he has some real fucking bad moments, and some horrible videos and opinions, but he still has integrity and he seems to really give a fuck.
so what are you doing to bring the five guys and quinn to justice? i hope you're not just spamming this shit on /v/. i hope you at least told your friends about this
EVERY TIME YOU CALL SOMEONE OUT FOR BEING A SJW, YOU HELP THEM DERAIL THE THREAD.
EITHER STAY ON TOPIC OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Just watch this video
doesn't it just want to make you puke "hur dur women are purchasable objects in games" what about the fucking guys you shoot I guess they don't count as people. why the fuck did feminism have to flood into the only hobby i fucking cared about. fucking makes me sick
The stuff I'm reading about Zoe Quinn has really lowered the bar further than ever before. The fact that these linkbaiters have been completely SILENT about her bullshit just makes things so much worse.
I think it's beyond saving. We should get rid of the entire institution altogether and just have corporate PR + gaming boards like this one.
you say it doesn't matter, but these are the people who writes the reviews. These are the people who are paid to fly out and watch the trailers and get involved with the developers directly. What kind of games does /v/ and every gamer out there play? >Games that are popular Love them or hate them, those are the games you hear about and get plastered all over Television commercials, billboard, radio, and the internet. Good or bad, people talk about them and it generates interest in them. Stop being such a sheep anon.
That was a good day.
/sp/ came here asking for help with CGLL, and found themselves in a deluge of dubs threads and shitposting that was so bad that even /sp/ regretted it afterwards.
The only reason /sp/ are "gods of shitposting" is because the elder gods of shitposting sleep in /v/ and quarrel amongst themselves.
only if we expose the problem
Not much can be done outside of what I've been doing. As you said, I've told my friends who care about vidya gaems in hopes that they'll stop supporting these bastards. Otherwise I'll keep avoiding their websites and indie games. Vote with your dollar and all that shit.
It's more a commentary on /sp/'s seething hatred toward their moderation and ability to spontaneously fill up 95% of the board with shitposting
Pf course they are, OP. This entire publishers fund websites with ad revenue in exchange for money fuels this. Journo's get free shit when they review games. Vidya journalism, with no other way to get money other than begging for site views or publisher money, is doomed to be a corrupt, unjust system.
Why do you think a big site like IGN has no SJW crap? Because they don't need clickbaits, their fanbase is large as it is. that in turn makes them report news without editorial bias.
Now they still have to rely on publisher money, so their reviews are bought. Easy as that.
People like Geoff and Sessler already state that they check everyday to see if they made their quota on site and video views in order to feed themselves. That's why being videogame journalist is hell.
Most sites should just go for the subscription fee model. I' m willing to pay for their food as long as they keep their SJW shit out, and make fair reviews, and report on actual vidya news as fast as IGN.
IT'S. FUCKING. TERTIARY.
It's really not that fucking hard to understand why it doesn't belong here. Fuck, everything involved with journalism on this site is dumb to begin.
Do you ever just sit down and think "Wow. I am literally discussing people discussing vidya games. I am a gigantic faggot."?
Unfortunately, yes. All we can do right now is stay away from journalism websites so they don't get ad revenue.
Trust only your neighbor
see this shit. this is why these threads get deleted. this isn't actually discussing. this is shit posting
With all the mods deleting the threads about this, you'd think Zoe's fucking them too.
>Gather Your Party
>they don't pay their contributors
I know ad revenues are a no go but I'm not surprised they didn't take off. People need incentives and altruism isn't sufficient to draw people good at what they do
>Is gaming journalism well and truly corrupt?
>Can it be saved?
Yes but it involves burning it all down and starting again.
>Is it worth saving?
Nope. Nothing good ever came of it.
>What can we do?
Boycott all the major sites. Get your reviews from nobody Youtubers with 120 views per video.
>I know ad revenues are a no go but I'm not surprised they didn't take off.
No, ad revenue on your website is fine.
GAMING ad revenue is where the bullshit lies. Get Gilette to advertise their new 7-bladed razor, that shit's fine. Get Spalding to advertise their new quantum-G spaceketball, that's dandy.
But the second you let EA buy even a pixel of your adspace, THAT'S when you start losing integrity.
I swear to god This is going to slide and be swept under the rug. And gaming journalism is gonna control how games are developed. Before it was unacceptable but there was no glaring evidence now this shit happens and all involving parties are maintaining radio silence.
>Cant talk about i on /v/
>NeoGaf is a cesspool of SJW nonsense
>Reddit wont discuss
>Gaming journalism wont dare touch it because it's too close to home and endangers their "careers"
They're going to get away with it by spouting tumblr phrases that she was being slut shamed or some dumb fucking nonsense. This blows the fuck out of SJW bullshit and "women being oppresed in vidya".
I guess the only way that this is going to go anywhere if this trickles uphill to a more popular and listened to youtuber. Either that, everyone uploads jims video to the point of epidemic levels of insanity to the point where it CANNOT be ignored.
I'm glad this thread made it as long as it did
All of you people who posted scared the mods would come and delete this immediately, well look what happened. As long as we approach this maturely and avoid shitflinging we can discuss this. I don't know if we need more threads on this but if anyone else wants to make a thread on this don't go full retard in the first few posts.
that's what it smells like to me, i think /b/2.0 is about to have its operation chanology moment
and we get to watch it all happen all over again
And we're gonna do the best we can brother
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Never let the mods try to sweep corruption under the rugs and silence your righteous discussion
Freedom of speech is what makes this site what is it. If we lose that, where else is there to go? I know I don't want to leave old friends behind and move onto 1234567chan just because the SRS bitches finally infiltrated mod positions.
I found a magazine from July of 2004 the other week when I was cleaning. It had a really cool preview of Dawn of War, Battlefield 2, and CoD:UO. They also had a nice bit in the end about how two of their staffers were playing the WoW beta together and one of them got real into the RP side of it while the other just wanted to mess around. It was cover to cover nothing but videogames, and I loved it. The thing that really stood out to me though was that in their review of Manhunt, they opted to not immediately pan the game for how violent it was which was a big issue at the time, but instead gave it a pretty fair review based on the gameplay, not the surface issue. It really opened my eyes about how videogame journalism isn't even about the games anymore. Sorry for the blogpost.
The last decent news site I know of used to be andriasang before it closed down. Siliconera isn't too bad as a replacement, although the more in-depth stuff is very much hit or miss. The folks over there are pretty much Japanophiles and aren't very good at articulating criticism, but it's very up to date on most things with a generally neutral viewpoint.
What's with the desperation to shut down all discussion regarding "that" topic?
There's a shit ton on /pol/ right now desperate to get /pol/ to stop talking about it.
The level of "Shut It Down!!" shilling going on in that /pol/ thread right now is incredible. Reminds me when the JIDF invaded /pol/ a few weeks ago. It's that level of shilling going on.
Its a lot better than the other threads about this, believe me, I was in them.
Sure, there's a lot of shitposting going on still but there's still a good chunk of actual discussion going on.
I don't think that there will ever be an unbiased gaming website. At least, not one that is industry-centric. The problem with gaming journalism is that it produces an an intermediary product that is designed to drive revenue to a website. Truth and sincerity fly out of the window when you put money on the table and the hand of the publishers/developers/hardware companies is on the pile.
If you want honest reviews of games, look to authentic consumer reviews. The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of gaming websites are about accruing money and power, not assessing the quality of video games and critiquing the business practices of the industry.
>All of you people who posted scared the mods would come and delete this immediately, well look what happened. As long as we approach this maturely and avoid shitflinging we can discuss this.
Spamming and doxxing is what we need, not mature discussion!
So being fucking clickbait warriors is going to turn it around? You seriously think a bunch of washed up Williamsburg 30somethings are going to take your comments to heart instead of just turning them against you for more pageviews? Get real dude. I don't know what kind of god damned concentrated effort you've got going here, but it's not going to work. The kicking and screaming and swinging from rafters is going to fall on deaf ears like it always has, and you're all going to look like complete idiots for doing it. Mark my fucking words.
I hope one of these days you chimpy retards realize that bloggers, their worthless opinions, and the crooked upper-managerial suits who'll listen to them for a dollar or two just aren't worth getting torqued out over.
There is no such thing as free.
There is "no monetary compensation", but truly free? nope.
Everyone always do something expecting something else in return, be money, be having a better place to browse, be fueling their ego, be feeling like a powerful dictator...
Even the freetards writing open source software are on it either for raising their ego or actually having the fucking software they're writing.
You dramawhores wanna discuss edrama?
Fine. Go do it /pol/. Just so things arein perspective, not even the pokefags cries this much when they were excommunicated to /vp/.
This is the real reason the mods hate you.
Do you think the mods are shilling this hard, so we say "hurrr mods fucked zoe"
They work for free on an anime image board. They're not fucking anybody. Maybe they like the idea we're joking they got laid.
So all i gotta do is be a kotaku writer to get Zoe pussy?
slip into the SRS sub-reddit to see if they're invading, those landwhales set up camp in /v/ and /pol/ all the time to damage control.
Just don't post anything, they're hugbox is so paranoid it makes /v/ look chilled.
its people tired of hearing the same shit and just think its spam cause its such a hot topic that it has to be talked about, but they don't want to talk about it
then you have shitposters so assblasted at their threads getting deleted because mods think its spam since its posted all the time
ironically those assblasted shitposters spam the threads with shit memes
or maybe its a conspiracy and the shitposters are somehow connected to this shit and spamming the threads so they get deleted
i think we're closer than most people think to finding out what that looks like
>wanting to develop an indie game
>not being a homosex or a woman
have fun with that no support and lack of kickstarter monies
I do too.
Shitaku is an awful fucking place, and you're a horrible person for bringing it up here to begin with.
It's because of faggots like you that I'm forced to remember that place exists.
The use of internet slang, in a game that's basically a love letter to all things geek, is what set off some assholes who have skin the width of a mobius strip?
Jesus fucking Christ.
/r/games mods aren't the problem; it's the admins.
They don't trust reddit enough in regards to not doing shit illegal, and they don't want shit from the admins.
There is a successful /r/gaming thread though...
If it gets deleted on /pol/ of all places, then something is happening.
Where in the rules does it provide that a mod is explicitly to use his or her power to remove content that they do not like, rather than content that actually violates the rules?
Like it or not, gaming journalism is video game related. And criticizing it is no less important than criticizing video games themselves. You don't get to fabricate a violation based on a stretch of the imagination that something expressly concerning video games is not video game related.
And before you argue that only threads about a specific video game or hardware platform are allowed, that is, both in theory and in immeasurable practice on this board, wrong.