Do you /v/irulents prefer steampunk or cyberpunk in your games?

I prefer the game to have subtle influences of either, but not be designed as a whole cliche fest.

That said, cyberpunk is more to my liking.

I'm looking forward to Codename STEAM though.

I think steampunk offers a more compelling setting all around. But I personally love me some cyberpunk.

steampunk is for anime neckbeards. Cyberpunk is what the future will actually look like.

>steampunk
>shit man I need more gears on my everything, better wear a top hat too

>cyberpunk
>clothing and accessories actually look like they serve a functional purpose

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>>258435164
steampunk is fedoracore

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>>258435164
How about both?

I like cyberpunk more personally since it comes with some societal conflicts typically.

Steampunk is nice to look at, but typically doesn't offer much more than, "People are posh and fancy."

Cyberpunk typically comes with tons of rebellion, questionable augmentations, grungy streets, crazy underground black markets, and other stuff that provides for more interesting narratives.

If we were to talk about simply which we like appearance-wise then I'd still probably say cyberpunk. It's always more interesting to see what a clash of future punk can create. Steampunk always just seems to be the same technology the world has, but more complicated and filled with steam/gears. It's always this very "normal" technology like guns or trains but done up in this insanely stupid fashion that makes you wonder how it is efficient. Cyberpunk allows for crazy technology to wonder how it even works.

>>258435164
I really like cyberpunk.
I dont dislike steampunk but I think its pretty limited in terms of world building.

>steampunk
>literally just a silly aesthetic. Doesn't have any thematic elements. Isn't practical in real life.

>Cyberpunk
>Has a wide range of aesthetics, but always has distopian and noir thematic elements. A product of the postmodern age and fear of the future. The future is very likely to look something like this

>>258435164
Space outlaws. Space military good too.

>>258435907
Steampunk used to be good before it got bastardized by lazy people.

Steampunk can be cool but it's application usually results in some SyFy channel original movie shit. Cyberpunk is great for video games.

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>>258435164
I love both, but for different reasons.

Cyberpunk:
>Dystopia
>Depravity
>Logical speculations on how things could be

Steampunk:
>Optimism
>Intrigue
>Ingenuity
>Alternate interpretations to how things could have been

That being said, there is a severe lack of quality steampunk games. I'd like to see more of that, solely because it seems like a more difficult medium to actually pull off without being overly contrived. Which ultimately is the problem with steampunk as a whole, because you have to be clever in its application as opposed to cyberpunk, in which technology can be used as a catch-all for anything that has the slightest thematic incongruity.

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>>258435164
You tell me

I like "steam" technology in fantasy games, like airships, steam engines, and trains.

Steampunk on the other hand is fucking retarded.

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>>258435164
Nigga if you got a robot arm with is it over top of your clothes?

They're both fucking obnoxious trash

>>258435164
>/v/irulents

Are there any dieselpunk games?

>>258437176
>tons of rebellion, questionable augmentations, grungy streets, crazy underground black markets, and other stuff that provides for more interesting narratives.

Steampunk could provide the same outlets. There is very little narrative difference between cyberpunk and steampunk beyond appearances and eras.

We agreed to be /v/irgins or /v/igilantes, I didnt signed in to be a "/v/irulent"

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>>258435164
I prefer clockwork over steampunk.

For games, cyberpunk tends to have better games than steampunk. A lot of cyberpunk is about the setting, while a lot of steampunk is about the aesthetics. While steampunk can be interesting to look at, cyberpunk can be interesting to interact with.

with all these *punk threads I feel as though we were being marketed something most viral.

>>258439379
mann vs machine mode in tf2, I guess bioshock, but it qualifies more as biopunk.
idk

>>258439379
Dishonored?

>>258439828
That was whalepunk, friend.

>>258439810
What the fuck are these marketers trying to sell us then? Cosplay costumes?

Steampunk's interesting but it's the fedora of settings.

Cyberpunk could also be considered that, but at least it has a bunch of decent games under it's belt and has more concepts than "brass pipes and airships"

>>258439379

This. We need games with landbattleships, mecha, and giant fittan' robots in them. And redneck protagonists.

I prefer magepunk but there's barely any of it that isn't total ass.

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>>258435907
>Cracks jokes that Steampunk is entirely filled with people wearing gears for accesories.
>"Clothing and accessories actually look like they serve a functional purpose"
>Hexagons everywhere.
>Every fucking cyberpunk game has hexagons and people wearing fucking hexagons.

Yeah, sure thing you fucking faggot.

When I think Steampunk I think about Bioshock Infinite and when I think about Infinite I feel like puking so cyberpunk

>>258435889
>Cyberpunk is what the future will actually look like.
The future is now

>>258440314
>not taking advantage of the next perfect shape after triangles for maximum technology

>>258440373
Whatever is "now" is the present, dum dum.

>>258439379
Crimson Skies

Does Tron count as cyberpunk?

If so, then I'll go with cyberpunk. I'm into those sleek neon designs.

But not that neo-cyberpunk bullshit with the girls who look like they are covered in spraypaint with mohawks and that skrillex haircut.

>>258440502
"now" is the past, so the future is in the past, which means that the past is now and the future will be and past's past's now is a future untold to be a past unfolded and a now unmolded.

>>258435164

Is there any actual steampunk game besides Arcanum?

Steampunk is really fun when done well, but more often then not it's just gears and cogs and prats prancing about in top hats and shit.

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>>258440681
Tron would be more of the cyberspace in the cyberpunk universe.

>>258435164
What does the elbow gear do? Why is it there? What about the gear on the shoulder? What does it do?
What is the point of the fucking gears?

>>258435164
Dieselpunk > Cyberpunk > Steampunk

>>258440836
Guns of Icarus.

>>258441014
Can you give an example of dieselpunk?

>>258441014
My nigga.

Its one of the reason why I love Legend of Korra. Its so rare we get a setting set in Dieselpunk.

>>258440681
Tron 2 is cyberpunk. Tron is somewhat cyberpunk

>>258440427
>hexagons
>perfect shape
I can't take all this math plebness

>>258440836
Divinity Dragon Commander maybe?

>>258441003
Just stick a gear on it and call it steampunk.

>>258441131
Steampunk is a world where everything runs on steam.
Dieselpunk is a world where everything runs on diesel.

>>258441131
Zoids

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>>258441131
Crimson Skies

>>258435164
Cyberpunk, as it is less fucking retarded.
It's also usually done in a much less obnoxious way.

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>>258441131
Legend of Korra

Its a futurized setting of WW2 where robots, tanks and the architecture is all based on that era.

>>258441417
NO.

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>>258441131
WWI or WWII in the future

>>258440314
fuck you, hexagons are the best shape

>>258435164
Cyberpunk.

>>258441586
yes.

>>258441698
Explain yourself.

>>258440314
Nigga why you bringing hexagons into this, they were only in Deus Ex: HR.

>>258441335
>Dieselpunk is a world where everything runs on diesel.
So, the real world?

>>258440314
>Zone of Enders 2 final boss battle
>Literally a hexagon filled background while you're shooting hexagons at a boss who shoots hexagons

>>258441131
Not that guy, and I don't have an example, but dieselpunk has a much heavier focus on heavy, thick machinery. Think like Armored Core kind of machinery, not that AC is diesel punk.

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Is there any Steampunk that deals with the lower classes a hyper-Industrial-Revolution would bring with it?

The kind of people who wouldn't have pipes and gears growing out of their arms and would probably piss on some toff who did if they got the chance.

>>258440939

To be honest cosplayers covered in cogs and gears is the first thing I think of when I hear the word steampunk. So what's an example of steampunk done well?

>>258441948
Castle in the Sky

>>258435907

Gears is clockpunk, not steam punk.

>>258441131
Wolfenstein.

>>258439379
Just googled what this is, I quite like that stuff.
Only know it from Hayao Miyazaki films, though.

What the fuck is the difference?

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>>258435164
Waterpunk > all other punks

Why not combine them both?
Cybersteampunk ahoyy

>>258441905
That's actually what steampunk is supposed to be about. Retards only see shiny gadgets and overlook the rest.

>>258439929
>whalepunk
How far does this ride go?

>>258435889
>steampunk is for anime neckbeards. Cyberpunk is what the future will actually look like.

Both are pretty fedora tier, steampunk is *tips top hat* and cyberpunk is *tips trenchcoat*

>>258442219
That would be incredibly fucking stupid.

>>258441751

the neck ports in Ghost in the shell are hexagons.

Hexagons generally show up on the bodies of cyborgs in areas that are mechanical but are trying to appear merged with the flesh.

>>258442219
Because it wouldn't make sense.

Why would a cyber world need steam as an energy source? It's fucking retarded,

>>258442425
>Why would a cyber world need steam as an energy source?
Anon...

>>258442371
>>258442425
Why?
What's so stupid about cyber technology run via steam?

>>258435164
Well.. there is no decent steampunk. it's all just "lel everything made out of brass and copper and golden plates" without any sort of functionality let a lone actual steam. It's ages that I've seen proper steam punk.

So I prefer cyberpunk. at least that shit usually makes sense
In terms of Fans cyberpunk also wins out. Steampunk fans are almost as bad as sanic fans

>>258442117
>not punkpunk

>>258435164
ITT:
GEARS FOR NO FUCKING REASON
VALVES FOR NO FUCKING REASON
PIPES EVERYWHERE FOR NO FUCKING REASON
THOSE FUCKING LIGHTBULBS
"STEAMPUNK"

Cyberpunk by a mile because it does not get butchered like this.

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Superior

Steampunk is great when done well but these days it's really just cogfop.

>>258442583
That was a crap movie.

where the fuck is my catpunk

>>258442496
That doesn't even make sense fundamentally you may as well make it cyberfantasy and run everything off elephant sperm.

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We need more Atompunk games that isn't just fucking Fallout and set in a post-apocalyptic world.

A game set in a booming metropolis with 60's fashion and accessories.

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>>258435164
>not desertpunk
>lol anime

>>258442774
You still haven't explain why "it doesn't even make sense"

I remember seeing young adult novel where it was basically WWI but the Axis powers had giant desielpunk mecha-tanks and zeppelins, while the Allies had giant genetically modified biopunk animals.

Looked neat.

>>258442019

I'm not exactly disagreeing with you but I always considered it a pulp adventure, the steampunk moniker seems unnecessary.

This might come from not really being sure what steampunk is supposed to mean. I mean if someone asks what cyberpunk is I can just tell them to read Snow Crash.

>>258442674
Steampunk is best when it's just an aesthetic and not a major theme of a story, like the steampunk elements in Guild Wars 2.

>>258435164
Overdesigned shit is shit whatever you want to call it.

>>258442967
>cold steel vs. weak flesh
Pah, pathetic move on the alliance's part

>>258435164
>/v/irulents
end yourself

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>>258442674
It seams like the majority of people who use steampunk aesthetics don't even know how the technology behind steam works which is what's interesting about steam technology in the first fucking place. You establish a society that has mastered the art of steam engineering to the point where using an alternative source of energy would be pointless. Most modern steampunk stories are just fucking MUH COGS, and MUH GOGGLES autism bullshit.

>>258443127

pssh. nothing personnel untermensch

I like them both. Cyberpunk hasn't been something i've seen good examples of since the 80s, but i'd be happy to have anons show me good examples that are out right now.

Steampunk had Arcanum, and while Arcanum was a fucking mess it still made me happy to know I could buld the world's most badass revolver out of spiders and what were presumably old lampshades.

When are we getting a Seapunk game? Is Robot Unicorn Attack the closest?

>>258442774
>Dissing Semenpunk

What have you got against Bible Black?

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>>258442967
Oh shit, you're talking about Leviathan. That was a pretty decent series, kudos for the author making a reverse trap a main character.

Reverse traps are my fetish.

>>258442774
>cyberfantasy and run everything off elephant sperm.
It would be set in a fantasy world, of course they could make everything run with elephant sperm if they wanted it to
Magic nigga
And cyberfantasy already exists
See: Shadowrun

>>258443315
Also Baten Kaitos for those faggy gold fucks and their superior Steamgineering.

>>258435164
>steampunk
i always confuse this "genre" with indie shit

steampunk attracts way too many retarded psuedo hipsters

The entire idea of steam punk is based on "retro-futuristic" where artists of the time period drew what they thought future tech looked like.

It was interesting to see all the shit they came up with, including inventions that actually happened but with staunch differences

For example, a lot of early 19th interpretations are incredibly stylistic and garnished with engravings and other details accustom to quality products of the era (Like how that league of extraordinary gentlemen movie made the Nautilus, a hypothetical submarine look like a damn temple with garnishments both inside and outside of the vessel).

Or like how post industrial era interpretation of space ships and flying cares all looked like chrom covered buggies that oozed with the style of automobiles at the time.

Steam punk is simply the an idea that the British industrial revolution never stopped and for whatever reason electricity was never discovered, so automaton shit just advanced.

>>258439379
that one zombies map in Blops 2

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Dragon Commander did Steampunk right.

Too bad the game was plain average and completely forgettable.

>>258435164

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA

What's "punk" about Steampunk exactly?

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I prefer diesel punk.
I like my fantasy genres dirty and deserty.
Are there any diesel punk games? Only ones i can think of is TF2, which is very very loosely diesel, less so now than it was, and Borderlands which is garbage.

>>258443332
Seapunk? I think just about every pirate game is seapunk

>>258442774
You know that most of all energy that we use right now comes from steam?
Fossil fuels, nuclear energy, solar energy... All the electricity is generated by using the heat to turn water into steam and run the steam towards turbines, that generate electricity.
In the future we will still use steam in power plants.

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>crtl+F Dinopunk
>0 results

I knew /v/ was shit, but are you guys fucking serious?

>>258444010
>Are there any diesel punk games?
Read the fucking thread

>>258442807
That would be neat. The 50s-60s vision of the future is always fun to play with.

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>>258444091
So we're all living in a Steampunk world right now? Good to know now we can drop this shitty genre and move onto something that's actually interesting.

>>258443982
Slavery, fighting corrupt monarchies, colonialism, disgusting living conditions for the underclasses; you know, all the things that no steampunk enthusiast thinks about.

>>258435164
there is not enough of both. /v/ likes them easily. Deus Ex and Arcanum are some of our favorite games.

>>258443982
Ah yes I tip my brass goggles to you, le classy gent.
he has a point, of course

>>258437176
That doesn't necessarily have to be the case, though. The 19th Century was a time of huge social change, and there's a whole slew of issues you can dig into there, like industrialization, racism, classism, nationalism and religion vs secularism. Arcanum does a pretty handy job of that, but the social conflicts aren't at the forefront. I think it's a testament to the shallowness of steampunk authors/artists that they make such an interesting time in history so fucking boring.

>>258444287
Like what, Cyberpunk? We're living in a cyberpunk world too. Thanks Obama.

>>258444349
Where's my 12 Years a (Steampunk) Slave film?

>>258443818
its not forgettable if you just mentioned it..

>>258441131
valkyria chronicles

>>258442836
Desert Punk was pretty legit actually.

>>258444532
I don't know, but I want it.

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>>258444491
Fucking Obamapunk

>>258439379
FF7, Xenogears, Metal Max, Mega Man Legends... just off the top of my head.

>>258443982
fantasy mixed with victorian times. Imperialism, industrialization, politics and social awareness. The punk part is that you can rally or fight against these themes.

>>258444349
What are you talking about? I thought steampunk was all about *epic* stuff like Abraham Lincoln with a brass minigun covered in gears attached to his arm.

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>>258442967
>Get book at library along with a couple of others
>Read shitty Jewish circle jerk book(As in actual book about the religion), shitty book about hobos in Venice, and a passable book about WWII London
>Two weeks pass, have to turn them in
>Never pick it up again
>Now too old to read YA novels
>tfw

Steampunk is pretty cool if done right, Arcanum is personally one of my favourite games.

>>258439379
valkyria chronicles?

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>>258444446
I think that's what frustrates me so much about steampunk, and its lack of authenticity. I'm a total history nerd for the history of the past 150~ years, that whole era is infinitely interesting to me. There's so much shit that can be covered there, plots and conflicts can be basically spoonfed to steampunk authors/artists.

Instead, we just hear about the aesthetics and don't actually dip into what makes that very world seem alive.

Damn shame.

>>258435508

Ditto on all of this

>>258444875
Why does Abraham Lincoln need a minigun? In order to fight off the Confederate airships that are airdropping piston slaver mechs in the middle of Washington DC during the Civil War.

>>258444491

I really would've preferred it if 50's or 60's vision of the future had come true instead of the 80's, but here we are.

>>258445036
You should write some stuff.

>>258441131
Fullmetal

>>258445138
I for one am kind of glad the Cold War ended.

>>258445138

Which era is the one where space ships look like chrome covered Volkswagen and robots looked like they were made of boxes?

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Ok how about this
Its a game and it has three-no four factions all vying for control or some shit
You got steampunk, cyberpunk, dieselpunk and atompunk all duking it out with desertpunks as neutral raiders scattered around fucking shit up

>>258445036
This. I remember being hyped for Bioshock Infinite hoping that we could have the same cool gameplay with a background of racial conflict and big stick politics. Instead we got some pretentious gabbley gook about alternate universes and stuff.

>>258445254
I've actually thought about it for a long time. I have ideas that I've been thinking on for the past decade or so, since I've started doing college.

Eventually I might, although the fantasy/steampunk audience seems like a very niche one.

>>258445639
That would be pretty sweet. I can imagine some Dom 4 style thing where every faction plays differently.

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>>258435164
Welcome to rage.
Steampunk is fine if it doesn't take itself to seriously.

>>258443332
go away /mu/ seapunk Is annoying. Also Ecco the dolphin

>>258445784
Sweet!

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>cogs
>not pistons

>>258445853
Zelda is technically dieselpunk, politically correct tophat tippers can get fucking rekt.

>>258445853
I fucking hate Aaron Diaz.

>>258443332

Bioshock would be seapunk right?

It's underwater and has nautical themed enemies like big daddies.

Cyberpunk is an actual thing. Steampunk isn't.

Steampunk is for faggots.

>>258445639
>Its a punk game and it has threepunk-no fourpunk factions all punkvying for punktrol or some punk. you got punkpunk, punkpunk, and atompunkpunk all punking it out with punks as neutral punks scattered around pucking punk up

>>258445639
Sounds like a clusterfuck of contradictory themes

>>258440836
EYE

>>258446031

This

Why does steam punk use gears when pistons and valves are more related to steam powered shit.

Cogs would be clockwork things, Automatons and such that are powered through being wound up.

>>258435164

Cyberpunk has purpose, steampunk is just for appearances sake. For the most shallow hipster babies imagianble.

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What have you got against Aaron Dinoshark Diaz?

>>258435164
cyberpunk. Steampunk is way too tryhard. Also, most cyberpunk settings actually look like they could be plausible futures.

>>258446269
Nigga the fuck you think you're doing

>>258446120
But it's mainly about genetic mutation gone horribly wrong, so biopunk. But it also has delicious art deco aethestics, so also dieselpunk.

>>258445784
Hey, I'm
>>258444446
Incidentally, I've been weighing the same idea as well for quite a while. If you feel like collaborating or doing some brainstorming, send me an e-mail at feuerzeuge at hotmail dot com. Jesus, moot, why did you remove emails?

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Screw punks, art deco is where it's at

>>258442807

Wasteland is interesting in that it's an 80s version of Atompunk, as opposed to the 50s aesthetic of Fallout.

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>>258435164
>steampunk

As long as it isnt too obnoxious. Ultima Martian Dreams is a good example of it done right.

>>258446314
Of course it wouldn't work
But not because of contradictory themes
But because atompunks have nukes and spacetier technology
Like fighting apes with an airborne strike

>>258435164

Cyberpunk, if only because it seems to have an identity. Every other -punk just seem to be pulp with some window dressing.

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>>258446120
Nah, Seapunk is more of an offshoot of Vaporwave so bioshock would need some early internet/old graphics and vapid color aesthetic. Seapunk/vaporwave is more of a romanticized image of the early internet aethetics, they don't have anything to do with a certain image or theme other than the general look.

>>258446331

E.Y.E is cyber punk with I guess neo-gothic elements or something like that

The tech is advanced, it's just the armor is designed to look knight armor and and samurai shit.

It's one of those weird stylistic choices that scramble up the sub-genre, Like how Chronicals of Riddick featured the Necomongers and their gothic church like ships that were covered with Renaissance looking statues and such.

>>258446984

Like the fashion style of the 5th elements?

>>258446984
seapunk predates vaporware

I don't understand steampunk. Why is it called like that? There's no punk in steampunk. All steampunk is just period drama or fantasy with steam or clockwork machinery.

>>258446984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MmV0DDpGlo

is this seapunk?

>>258447608
If a nigga would read a thread, I would be a happy anon.

steampunk is the dumbest thing humans have ever created

>>258447413
People came out with seapunk years after vaporwave was started showing up, even before it's standard image today. Shit, Mallsoft, Metro-ko and all that shit predates Seapunk.

>>258447640
That's more Vaporwave, without the gimmicky shit

>>258447938

If Seapunk is just shitty fashion how does it work in a setting? Is it a setting where everyone lives on the internet and Vaporware Aesthetics are how people dress?

It doesn't really make sense.

>>258445714
It was going to have that and more until Ken stumbled upon Quantum physics and made them erase EVERYTHING.

Steampunk. I simply feel as if it hasn't been explored enough. I would love to see an open world game bassed around it. It's a shame that The Order is looking to be shit. I really like that setting but that won't get me to buy a game that just looks horrible.

>>258435508
>>258438668
Like I said, Steampunk is better when it doesn't take its seriously like Abraham Lincoln being in a robot suit.

>>258448121

Vaporware is just a music genre that also flaunts an image that goes with the song and falls under the idea that it's futuristic elevator music.

It's just Oneohtrix Point never and Lady Gagas make up artists being really fucking board.

>>258448121

Is this Vaporwave too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H91bEGJYBU4

>>258448719

That's just kitsch, isn't it?

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Steampunk is shit. The only good thing to come out of it was the Difference Engine. That's it. The vast majority of Steampunks fanbase and even the people who create Steampunk media are obsessed with the exagerrated visual nature of it and nothing else. It's all style and no substance.

>>258448903
There are definitely elements of vaporwave in there. It's like vaporwave/videopunk. The music itself definitely isn't but I like Stepdad :^)

Noirpunk

>>258435164
Clockpunk

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Whatever that weird future style they had in alien is my favorite kind of punk. That weird blocky/bulky technology stuff.

"Low-fi sci-fi" I think?

Punk is dead.

Animepunk

>>258449619
Alien is definitely some kind of lo-fi sci-fi mixed with gothic biopunk (all the alien-related stuff)

Also watch Moon.

>>258449694
why though.
it seems like now we have actual reasons to go punk

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>>258448148
Nah, Vaporawave tries very thinly to pass itself off as anti-capitalistic neo 80s shit while simultaneously embracing it, it also has this imagery set that sort of mocks those 80s/early internet aesthetics. Seapunk is just a fashion style that recently has tried to become it's own thing actual thing.

>>258449815
Mohawks are dumb

>>258449619
>Whatever that weird future style they had in alien is my favorite kind of punk. That weird blocky/bulky technology stuff.

You mean 80's sci-fi?

>>258449815
Bands like Greenday and Blink 182 killed it, once something as asinine as pop-punk exists it's beyond repair.

Is Monster Girl Quest rapepunk?

>>258450039
again, why.
they sold out, so we just drop it as the contrarians we are?
fucking ignore them.

>>258435164
Is there a middle ground between the two? Something like, I dunno, modernpunk? Fuck I don't know, just a middle ground that doesn't look like a 90's scifi anime or a renfair disaster.

>>258446378
That's what these faggots think steampunk is. They think it's all clockwork.

>>258450039

Can't fight The Man.

>>258449832

>That definition

Daniel would have himself a giggle.

>>258450259
>fucking ignore them.
Easier said than done, when something has the diminutive pop, it instantly becomes shit
pop rap
pop metal
pop rock and now punk. It's all shit now.

>>258450259
Punk is inherently contrarian anon, the minute it went mainstream it killed the entire reason for its existance.

>>258446269
UP THE PUNX

>Punk music is a joke
>It's really just baroque

Can there be a punk video game?

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>>258451003

>Best-tier
>Dieselpunk
>Cyberpunk
>Desertpunk
>Noirpunk

>Meh tier
>Steampunk
>Clockpunk

>Jesus Fucking Christ What Are You Doing Tier
>Green Day punk

>>258444349
I had an idea for a steampunk story about a janitor who has to hose down the analytical engine after some idiot gets their hand caught in it but it never really went anywhere.

I just thought about how in steampunk it's always about Sir this or Esquire that and nobody ever addresses the filthy underclasses who would still have shitty lives while the nobles take their dirigible to the clockwork horse races.

>>258451450
I can dig it. What if while cleaning it out he stumbles across some secret conspiracy to further enslave the masses using the analytical machine?

>>258449342
I'm trying to read through that book right now and it's so fucking plodding and boring so far. The authors make damn sure to describe the material and aesthetics of every fucking thing in the room but forgot to give the characters any depth or interesting characteristics.

>>258436478
And bowler and top hat core?

well done genius

next we'll start saying victoria-core

>>258443565
Leviathan was fucking great. The art is all wonderful, too.

>>258450278
>implying the present isn't cyberpunk without the cool aesthetic

shouldn't steampunk involve simple designs because of the limits of the technology they have

they certainly weren't overdesigning anything but uniforms back in the late 1800's

>>258451690
That sorta runs counter to the point the story would make, namely that no matter how cool and awesome it is for the upper crust the little people still get shit on constantly.

Even today it sucks to be poor, but at least contemporary poorfags have refrigerators and the Internet and such. Being poor in the 19th century was far shittier, and that's something that steampunk seems to just gloss the fuck over in favor of TOP HATS WITH COGS AND GEARS ON THEM BY CRIKEY

>>258451834

We're living in Applepunk.

>>258451861
Ironclads and shit like that were very complex, obviously not as ridiculous as a lot of steampunk shit though.

>>258442807
>punk

>>258441131
Mad Max?

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>>258451861
Good steampunk would be "what if Babbage built his shit and Brunel's ideas didn't crash against the technological limitations of his era"

For fuck's sake just imagine how different the world would be if we had analog computers and atmospheric railways back in the day.

>>258450278

Our modern age is Cyberpunk, anon.

>>258451834
>without the cool aesthetic
nigga you just used to the cool shit.
pendrives are slick as fuck compared to 80's floppys.
hell, floppies are cool too.
>>258452073
you mean the wall-e universe?

>>258441131
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

>>258451861


Well quality products in industrial era had some effort put in to them.

the first cash registers were made of good materials an embellished with artwork and shit on the inside.

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>>258435164
>cyberpunk
near future technology based on current trends and experimental innovations
>steampunk
the same technology we have now but run on outdated, flawed, or inefficient methods.

cyber punk is WAY more interesting.

>cyber punk, what if technology changed the world as we know it
>steam punk, what if technology ran on steam

its not even a fuckin contest.steampunks one redeeming quality is its ability to integrate magic somewhat convincingly and thetouch of victorian designs that has pretty much dominated the setting. then again deus ex HR has shown us that cyber punk itself can also integrate other designs (the Renascence) quite effectively.

I like the setting before cyberpunk. Where corporations haven't quite taken over everything but still have mercs and tremendous power.

I'm actually writing a design document for a game like that. Where different coalitions of companies fight each other. I took some inspiration from the Trade Wars of WoW, and Continuum.

>>258450259
SLC Punk pretty much covers why

>>258452398

Minimalism ruined everything. EVERYTHING.

>>258452761
>>steam punk, what if technology ran on steam
it's more like

>cyber punk, what if technology changed the world as we know it
>steam punk, what if technology changed the world as we knew it.

>>258452761

Steam Punk would be a world where the steam engine had a longer run, where somewhere a long the line the men who paved the way for electric power were stopped in their tracks or electricity itself was outlawed.

What would be the tech if Tesla was able to install his free energy coils?

>>258453236
>electricity itself was outlawed.
I don't think thats right. I think they most steampunkfags idolize Tesla.

>>258453180
No, no, no. That's not how it actually happens. Cyberpunk still tends to be cookie-cutter but at least it tries new shit, aesthetically speaking.

Most steampunk is literally "what if modern technology was available back in the day only it ran on steam instead of computers." It's dogshit.

>>258452761
>>steam punk, what if technology ran on steam
That's not how it should be at all, and anyone who writes it like that is a hack. Just substituting the same technology with one covered in gears and brass tubes is utter shite.
It should be what kind of present we would live in if the world still operated entirely on steam and the logical innovations regarding it.

>>258453356

Yet they don't use electricity outside of aesthetic diodes.

For whatever reason Steampunk got big, and it lost its core values and meaning.

Nobody really knows what the fuck Steampunk is anymore. Doesn't stop me from liking this music though.

http://mochalab.bandcamp.com/album/the-steampunk-opera-act-1-demo

>>258440261
>magepunk
What is that? is this even a thing?

>>258453461
>what if modern technology was available back in the day only it ran on steam instead of computers
that's how hacks do it. I could say the same.
>cyberpunk is just "what if our present technology suddenly could do everything.

>>258453707
Technically the world still does run on steam. Like 90% of all electricity is derived from steam turbines in some fashion, even nuclear power.

>>258453236
the steam engine had a pretty shit run as it is, the engines were a son of a bitch to maintain and their size / weight to power ratio was horrible. you had make massive heavy complicated engines, supply them with coal and water, fuss over their every little problem, and at the end of the day what did you have?

>>258454012
I guess something like Theif or Arcanum, where magic can be used for mundane use like lights and shit

>>258452959
please elaborate, otherwise the conversation is dead until I watch it

>>258454013
The core issue here is that most steampunk authors are in fact fucking hacks.

>>258454012
Anyone can make Xpunk. X being whatever they want. Punk just means a radical change in society usually related to X.

Magepunk would assumed be where magic and mages make an appearance and run the society, changing technology and everything towards magic.

>>258454145
agreed. but it's not the genre's fault.

>>258454183
So shadowrun?

>>258454057

But see, If we were stuck with shit for a while you'd at least see some improvements with time.

good steam punk should at least try to appear as if people improved upon the steam engine.

>>258454013
Cyberpunk is more corporations using technology to rule the world sending society into a dystopia.

>>258454268
really? nobody has Deus Ex: Fallen Angel?

>>258454139
As another anon said, once it became mainstream it lost any resemblance as to what it actually meant to be punk, and how in this modern day and age, the punk lifestyle just isn't viable

>>258438991

This. I like when it's done with subtlety, like in Trails in the Sky (via orbments) and Skies of Arcadia.

FFXII just had sky pirates and Star Wars, but it was really fantastic to look at all around.

>>258454297
That's more of a mix of magic and technology.

>>258435164
Cyberpunk over steampunk, but both are still pretty cringeworthy shit that only fedoras like. Steampunk just goes even more fullretard with valves and gears for no reason.

>>258454057
>what is the steam turbine?

>>258435164
>Adding gears to clothing
>Adding gears that literally do nothing
>Adding pipes that also do nothing

As an engineer, this shit pisses me off.

>>258454418
shit didn't mean to quote

>>258439379

Wachenroder is an SRPG for the Sega Saturn.

Japanese only, but it's all translated online, so read that along with it.

Renge Murata does the character designs, if that's your thing, and overall it's really a fantastic game.

I like Steamships and Arquebus and there's that. But cyberpunk is our future and an actual setting with real conflicts.

>>258454495
>Cyberpunk
>Fedoras

What kind of insult is fedora anyway? Just another buzzword to hate something without actually knowing why you hate it?

>>258439767

Mind if I ask what game that is? Like, I can read the file name, but if there's a better way to Google it that doesn't give me what looks like unrelated results, I'd love to know.

>>258454489
Magic and technology don't mix well in shadowrun and the appeareance of magic arguably caused more impact than technological advancement, this makes me question is there any setting where magic and technology actually do mix well?

>>258454724
>Just another buzzword to hate something without actually knowing why you hate it?

Yes, exactly. That's what it's degraded to. A fedora is a hat worn by someone you disagree with and have disdain for.

>>258441905

The Difference Engine.

>>258454724
well fedoras imply thinking you are superior because you are more edgy.
"in this moment I am euphoric... my own intelligence" and shit

>>258442807

60s would be great.

If anything, I felt that 1950s Vegas made great sense of the atomic boom setting, as Vegas was actually really balls deep into using the Nevada test site as a tourist spot.

>>258435907
>there are still people that think gluing random gears to shit makes it steampunk

>>258454861
If you consider Psykers to be magic, then I think 40k did it well.

Magic always will cause more of an impact since its fucking magic.

>>258455039
Steampunk isn't exactly edgy though.

>>258455162
yeah I said what fedora is supposed to mean, not that it was used correctly

>>258454023
You know damn well I mean directly applied steam. If magnetism was still treated like a curiosity and nothing more.

>>258455039
How is that relevant to Cyberpunk though? You're comparing System Shock 2, arguably loved by near everyone who's played it, "fedoracore".

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>born too late to discover new lands
>born too soon for space travel
>born too soon for cyberpunk

We are almost there but not in this lifespan. If only we were born 3 generations further.

>>258441905
Actually a hyper industrial revolution, much like the real world industrial revolution, would bring the commom man up relative to the prior feudal society, that's where the conflict comes from.

>>258455428
>born too soon for cyberpunk
too soon AND too late.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface#Vision

>>258435508
This but I'd only prefer cyberpunk because I've recently been exposed to less of it. Also it's more relevant come the future.

>>258455428
We weren't born too soon for space travel. It got shut down by faglords.

We can still explore deep sea, but its certainly not as cool as space.

>>258455428
Joy anon! Tis waifu era you born in!

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The only thing (and it's a BIG thing), but the ONLY thing wrong with Steampunk is that it doesn't have a work to root itself in. It's all aesthetic with no core. It needs its Lord of the Rings. It needs its Blade Runner.

Around the World in 80 Days and Fullmetal Alchemist come close but they're not quite there.

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>>258454513
yeah steam turbines are fucking gigantic power generators, set up in permenent stations were their every whim can be catered to without worry about size or weight. wow you sure showed me, im sure my local coal plant would blast off into space if it was so laden with steel and concrete.

steam engines are used for electricity and nothing more, because their size / weight to power ratio is SHIT and steam turbines as power generators only PROVES MY POINT.

>>258455808

What is Journey to the Center of the Earth

>>258454724

It's basically mocking people that wear fedoras for their beliefs and behaviors.

Tumblr uses is to described people they think are chauvinists or MRA as being overweight men with pony tails.

Christfags use it to refer to people who look like the aforementioned people who are atheists and claim superiority simply by being atheists.

4chan typically uses it for the Christfag reason or to make fun of autistic people with bad tastes in media who also wear fedora, are over or under wright and have bad fashion sense.


Whether or not these variations of the term represent a single demographic is up to debate.

>>258455698
Sending special missions of 2-5 people in interval of several years isn't space travel age. Talking about mining operations, space truckers, shitty colonies over the galaxy, that kind of thing.

>>258436478
>Lean physique
>Working color scheme
>Coat fits well
Fuck me, they made it look almost good.

>>258455039
I always saw a fedora as the kind of individual who would put on 'refined' airs and mannerisms despite being dumb as shit and not knowing dick about what makes someone cultured -aslo pretending to be gentlemanly despite being a beta sack of shit.

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>>258456046
>Talking about mining operations, space truckers, shitty colonies over the galaxy, that kind of thing.

>>258455808
>>258455873
Steambiy is pretty good as well.

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>>258456046
>you will never travel the galaxy
>you will never work on a giant terraforming facility on LV-426
>you will never take a xenomorph for a wife

>>258455808
It would have to be very defining, fantasy wasn't very popular before LOTR and same with Blade Runner.

Both of those paved the way for the genres. Steampunk fans can't agree on shit about their genre though.

>>258456451
>Terraforming

GOD FUCK, I WANT TO DO THIS SO BAD.

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>>258456267
fuck, I meant steamboy.

Why do they add the -punk suffix?

Steampunk is a futuristic Victorian era
Dieselpunk is a futuristic WWII era
Cyberpunk is a futuristic 1980's

>>258456607
Whats a good game to terraform in?

inb4 minecraft

>lmao gears and pistons and valves on everything for no reason and top hats and goggles

Absolutely disgusting.

>>258456753
Spore

>>258456752
because that's just futuristic.
punk is about the technology going faster than the people. wich allows us to reflect on those time frames.

>>258456752
Punk is used in this context to show radical changes in society.

>Steampunk
Everything is powered by steam

>Diselpunk
Everything is powered by disel

>Cyberpunk
Technology has taken over more than it has today

I'm generalizing a lot, but hopefully you get the point.

>>258456145

He might be cosplaying as V, not anonymous.

I will never understand why people can't get passed the whole chanology bullshit, It was an OK movie that inspired a bunch of faggots to adopt it as an anonymous image just because the civilian uprising was such a great scene and relevant to how how some faggots thought anonymous would become.

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>>258455808
Hi

>>258456752
Cyberpunk is about being a punk and rebelling against oppression and authority. That's the main theme.

The others have "punk" in their name because people are stupid and think "punk" means genre or some stupid shit like the people who think image macro = meme.

>>258457238
the giant spider was added because the producer had been itching to add a fucking giant spider since two films back.

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>>258455873
>>258456663
>>258457238

Not enough world-building. Every franchise that attracts a following has a strong foundation of world-building, because you can imagine yourself in that world.

The current scope of Steampunk is world-building with all of the building but no world, if that makes any sense. People who walk around wearing brass gears and 19th century clothing are trying to define a what-if scenario with no meaning. A Stormtrooper is a Stormtrooper. A person wearing gears is just a random person wearing gears, which would be fine if Steampunk were defined as an eccentric fashion style, but its "punk" name puts it on the same pedestal as Cyberpunk, Sci-Fi and Fantasy which already have a firm canon.

I'm rambling a bit but I think this is essentially what is annoying about the current state of Steampunk.

>>258457238
Technically that's Weird West more than steampunk, it just lacks magic.

Also it was terrible. Weird West also needs a seminal piece of fiction.

I'm totally in the mood for cyberpunk at the moment. Can any of you fellow gents recommend me some good cyberpunk books?

>>258456752
I think it only makes sense for cyberpunk. Since they are literally punks, an entire social caste that is constantly fighting the oppression generated by the rapidly expansion of technology and corporation control over society.

>>258457491
if you liked DX:HR, then the DX novel

>>258457491
Nigger if you haven't read Neuromancer you haven't read cyberpunk

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>>258457487
>steampunk needs magic

>>258457253

This

Steampunk and Diseal Punk should be changed to Retro-Futuristic, with Victiran Industrial, Deco and Atomic Age being divided amongst the term.

Technically cyber punk will be Retro-futuristic once body modes become mainstream

>>258457549
>Thinks punk in this context needs to be taken literally

Fuck off.

>>258457651
That's one of the books I totally want to pick up, from what I know Neuromancer is always a given.

>>258457667
I didn't say steampunk needs magic, I said Weird West often includes it.

>>258451730

>Implying that isn't every book ever

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>>258455428

Have fun with your space travel or whatever faggot. I'll be too busy fucking the shit out of my CyberWaifu 3000 to care.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/188047-by-2025-sexbots-will-be-commonplace-which-is-just-fine-as-well-all-be-unemployed-and-bored-thanks-to-robots-stealing-our-jobs

>>258458015
The Road

>>258458015

Nah that's just an issue authors who excel in settings have when they fail to make interesting characters.

It's like how lovecraft stories all might as well have the same depressed main character.

>>258457837
I don't think i follow your grudge. I think i made a fair point because diesel and steampunk have no inner conflict related to the theme that creates some conflict in society. I see no reason for the word punk. It simply doesn't work for them. In cyberpunk, it fits perfectly.

>>258458374
"-punk" became the go-to suffix for "like the real world only with _____"

Hence you have idiotic concepts like "stonepunk" and "clockpunk." Fuck, I saw someone on /tg/ making an RPG he dubbed "kidpunk," where the world worked on little kids' game rules (e.g. the floor is actually lava). While it sounds like a neat idea I find the label distasteful.

>>258458374
Steampunk and Diselpunk have no true theme and can contain conflict. I've seen plenty of settings where conflict existed, warring kingdoms, crazed alchemists, etc etc

>>258458637
>Hence you have idiotic concepts like "stonepunk" and "clockpunk."
But anon, i'm actually criticizing this idea. I'm saying you can't use "punk" if your world has no punks.

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>>258458118
>2036
>everyone is unemployed and poor as shit because no jobs but the ones robots took
>everyone lives in homeless camps raping the sex robot they all pitched in to buy
>birth rates plummeting, but never fear because we're all clones anyways

origin of steam-punk

Dear Locus,

Enclosed is a copy of my 1979 novel Morlock Night; I'd appreciate your being so good as to route it Faren Miller, as it's a prime piece of evidence in the great debate as to who in "the Powers/Blaylock/Jeter fantasy triumvirate" was writing in the "gonzo-historical manner" first. Though of course, I did find her review in the March Locus to be quite flattering.
Personally, I think Victorian fantasies are going to be the next big thing, as long as we can come up with a fitting collective term for Powers, Blaylock and myself. Something based on the appropriate technology of the era; like 'steam-punks', perhaps.
—K.W. Jeter

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>>258455808

This book is the only piece of Steampunk media to execute its themes properly. The implications of advanced Steam techs affect on Victorian era society, over-industrialization, luddites, corruption, rebellion, etc. It's as close as you're going to get to LotR in this genre especially considering it has degraded into LOL COGS AND SHIT lately.

>>258459014
>raping
>a robot
feminist pls

>>258458918
You can generate conflict at any setting. Your examples are very generic. But that's the point, because "punk" is a subversive culture. Steampunks and Dieselpunks, as far as i know, doesn't inherently generate this. It's not inherent to them. So the term fits only to cyberpunk.

>>258455428

Don't worry Anon, you'll probably survive to the early cyberpunk era, where you can become a generation 1 immortal cyborg that is the equivalent of a head in a jar...If you're lucky.

>>258458118
>buy a sexrobot
>get her a job to work for me
>fuck my qt sexbot business wife when she gets home

>>258458937
Stop being that faggot that takes every word as the literal meaning.

>>258435164
Steampunk, allows the jazzing up of medieval settings with airships.

>>258458918

Dieselpunk's roots are in the two biggest conflicts humanity has ever faced. It's the conflict between Communism, Autocracy, Monarchy, and Democracy for goodness sakes!

>>258437121

This isn't so bad; I can't spot a single superfluous gear in the whole picture. Sexy Victorian dress with leather and brass is nice.

>>258459716
uptight Victorian era seem ripe for civil unrest

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>>258459787
Do we get to look like pic related?

I want to look like pic related.

>>258459905
>words have a meaning
>don't pay attention to them
No, you're just an imbecile. Stop discussing terms if you don't wanna discuss the fucking terms.

>>258435164
In and of themselves I like both. I typically like cyberpunk games better because they explore complex themes like globalization, individuality, amorality, and what it means to be human. Steampunk games often leave it at look at this cool mechanical shit now go kill that evil governor something something industrial revolution imperialism.

>>258457379

Exactly. If you were to ask the people dressing up in all this Steampunk fashion when the Victorian era happened they would have no clue what the fuck you were talking about. People who claim they love Steampunk far far FAR more often than not just like the over the top style of dress and think it looks cool. That's it. Everyone knows what Cyberpunk is as a whole, only a few people get what Steampunk is actually supposed to be outside the fashion aspect.

>>258460189
Words can have multiple meanings, you fat fuck. You're just being an asshole by using one literal definition of the word when you know everyone else is talking about a different meaning.

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>>258457870

It really is. I love how the author describes things, he's fantastic with words. The whole book is a joy to read from start to finish, even if you have no interest in Cyberpunk.

>>258455873

Why not Atlantis the Lost Empire?

>>258458918

Diselpunk is "muh annran muh fitzgerald"

>>258460572
>guy asks about suffix
>discuss the suffix
>a faggot comes in throwing insults around and screaming about ignoring the meaning of the suffix
Fuck you and stop projecting. There are many discussions happening, go discuss shit that interests you.

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>>258460137
Shame about the book. The writer/artist takes about a year to finish and release each issue. Its only had 4 issues so far. The art is really nice and the main character is always switching her her clothes.

>dieselpunk
It's just art deco

I've only played one game that could be called steampunk and that was Arcanum. I don't even know of any others. I see more people talk about steampunk than I ever actually see steampunk media.

It just doesn't seem anywhere near a fleshed out subgenre like cyberpunk is which might be why there's always arguments over what it is and isn't.