>>258310251 I think he is. The footage his shadow was shown in looks suspiciously like the Final Destination version of Pyrosphere (as it has been pointed out). I think he'll be playable. I think the final trailer will show 3 characters: Ghirahim and Ridley at least, and maybe King K. Rool (a villains trailer), with Wario maybe returning as well.
The worst part is, there's still a possibility for DLC to be made. So even after the 3DS version gets released and we learn the whole roster, we'll still have threads like these months after release. >>258311303 >not jack frost
Yeah of course hes in. Its so painfully obvious that he is playable that people who think he would look weird downsized are really bottom-sore about the whole ordeal. If Sakurai puts a character in a game do you think he would allow it to look weird? I trust that Samurai will make everything good by the release date.
I'm on the fence but I feel this coyness is leading to more than just a boss hazard. He's deconfirmed other characters and made extra posts about how a character isn't playable when people seem to think they might have a chance. Regardless of how obvious you think Ridleys situation is, there's more than enough people thinking he has a chance for Sakurai to come out and lay the speculation to rest like he has for everything else. Yet he hasn't.
Everyone says the shadow is impossible to be playable because of one thing or the other but I bet people would have dismissed leaks if they said things like "A character will have a charging instant KO meter, a puppet ability, and abilities that have limited uses as well as their melee weapon." A bunch of newcomers have had extremely unique gimmicks to them and Ridley is a prime candidate for a unique gimmick if playable.
>>258320256 I wish I felt this way because I hate how pessimistic I am over the whole thing. I'd rather think he was in for sure than be in this 50/50 limbo hell. Perhaps I'm just setting myself up for maximum disappointment because he hasn't been playable at all yet and I've wanted him since Melee. 13 years builds up disappointment walls and shit.
I do agree that with how well Mac and Pacman look that Sakurai can and would make Ridley look and play great. It's just up to whether he decided to do that or just make him a boss.
>>258321448 For me I just don't want to think it's happening because I don't want let down again. Maybe it is pathetic but all these people who think its some meme probably wont ever understand. At times I even don't. But with him being treated unlike anything else it's important to me that it leads to more than a boss.
So I'm keeping my expectations low. Glad some people are able to feel confident in his chances.
>>258321448 I like the part where anyone who doesn't agree to your ideas is retarded
as a neutral person who doesn't give a shit if Ridley is in or not, I remain skeptical. I think he's definitely a stage boss at least and although I'll agree he's got a chance to be playable I don't think there's any certainty to it
>>258322446 Don't turn off your brain just because he said something that makes sense only if what Ridley was doing was flying. You can also see him jump in a similar manner to Charizard at the end of the clip.
He was also very passive and didn't have smooth scripted nimations like he did in Brawl. Why would they make a shittier boss Ridley in a newer game?
>>258322864 Because at the time of recording the footage, the boss wasn't completely finished yet?
I'm a Ridleyfag and that shit makes sense to me, and is the most likely answer to all of it. Shit just wasn't done yet and likely still isn't, especially if they didn't add Pyrosphere to the demo. I just don't think it's Sakurai trolling, that the character's in the game. I think it honestly boils down to either coincidence or Sakurai not realizing he's fucked up.
>>258323317 I feel like since he fucked up, he is now using it as a way to tease everyone >intentionally not showing Pyrosphere >Not mentioning him by name >literally being ambiguous on purpose to shroud "Ridley"
Samurai is a dick and that's what makes him my God
>>258323317 He didn't show off even a shadow of Yoshi or so much as hint at him until he was happy with how he stood.
So no, I don't buy that he wasn't finished. For a stage that had been shown off eight months before the direct. Of a supposed important element of the stage as the boss as you so wishfully want him to be. There's no way he wouldn't have been and if he somehow wasn't? He wouldn't have so much as shown the shadow as proven by Yoshi.
Am I the only one who doesn't care about Ridley but only want this shit to end?
I mean I understand if you want a guy playable but holy fuck man both sides are just delusional as hell. We've seen the Smash Direct multiple times with Ridley's shadow flying across the stage and I thought it would be over. NOPE, CANT BE ANYTHING ELSE, SAKURAI IS FOOLING US. IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE A RUSE
>>258324046 I think he could not care, that's a possibility. I just can't take a stand ether way. I will note points in his favor though to give anons some hope. I'll also try to keep people of the mind him being a boss is also a possibility.
>>258324081 He's flying to get up there. Whether it be for a short moment or not. Birds fly to get up on branches right above them to perch on them. They aren't going anywhere but a little higher, right? Just like Charizard.
>Literally arguing what is classified as flying with you
>>258312986 Ridley is USUALLY awkwardly spindly, and hunched over, with his long, limbs pulled in close to his body. That doesn't change depending on his size. He's just an awkward looking character by default.
>>258324046 >this is the same guy who thought bringing back Toon Link and putting Lucina in was a good idea Why was it a bad idea? Toon Link is a good alternative to young Link and Lucina was originally an alt for Marth.
>>258324413 Christ alive. What I'm saying is that Ridleys "flight" could just be a float like Peach', with the ability to stop in midair and hover. There would be obvious limitations, like making him real floaty and easy to launch and not being able to go into his floating/hover state unless he was jumping right off the ground.
>>258324473 Exactly, he'll look weird regardless of size. I don't care if he's scaled to work like I haven't for every othercharacter. His main characterstic is he's an unkillable space pterosaur. Big is Kraids characteristic.
>>258324712 Let's say Ridley was as big as Bowser if he's playable. Having a character as big as him with a float would be fairly unbalanced. Like Charizard getting his glide back but slower and clunkier.
>>258325367 Even if he's easy to launch? Dedede is as big as Bowser, has multiple jumps. If Ridley was a big target but light and easy to ko, but powerful, wouldn't that be balanced? As I said, make his float only activate when jumping off the ground, or as a ground only ability. In the air it could act differently. How's that?
>>258325367 We don't really know how that float works. Maybe you have to be grounded and charge it up before you can float as long as you see in the direct, and it doesn't work that well when used in the air.
Personally I think the way he floats looks weird whether he's playable OR a boss - maybe either way it's not even how he'll move in the finished game.
>>258325326 It's more for the fact that Lucina is the most unabashed clone in the history of Smash Brothers. At least Ganondorf has purple flames, at least Dr. Mario fired pills, at least Pichu had a gimmick, at least fucking Toon Link had a few unique moves, but Lucina?
>looks almost exactly like Marth >plays exactly like Marth
The only difference, the ONLY difference, is that her sword doesn't have a sweetspot. You can't see this difference, you wouldn't even know it was there unless Sakurai TOLD YOU it was there.
Just wow. Sakurai, you really pulled out all the fucking stops on that one. I fucking applaud you.
It's not about people's characters getting in that people like or don't like. I understand that shit. I even fucking LIKE Lucina and Toon Link (one of my favorite Zelda games is fucking Minish Cap for fuck's sake), but I'm not so fucking jaded or blinded by my game favoritism, Sakurai, or my enjoyment of the Smash series that I can't see that they're both testaments to the developer's laziness and bad decision making.
>>258325691 - People who like SSB are often big fans of Nintendo's various franchises - Metroid is one of the more popular Nintendo series - Aside from Samus (and the Metroids themselves, Ridley is the most commonly recurring Metroid character, appearing in almost every Metroid game and often playing a large role - He's relatively unique from most other Smash characters (is a dragon, villian, flies)
>>258326189 See, this is the kind of thinking Sakurai and his team do. Outside the box. People would have laughed at the idea of a character with an instant ko meter. If Ridley is in and the anti lil mac, a temp flight meter would make a lot of sense.
>>258326462 >>258326610 It's absolutely speculation, I'm just spitballing. I don't necessarily think Ridley is in the game, I'm just saying we don't know and giving an example that proves we can't be sure of what we think we know.
>>258323779 But he's good friends with Kojima and is a grade-A rusemaster. Thing is, even if Ridley isn't in, he knows he can build up hype for the game by letting people speculate. I almost want Ridley to not be in the initial game, to see the butthurt, then see him released as some DLC add on character. Making that DLC paid-for would be the icing on the cake, for all the conflict it would cause.
>>258326610 Well yes, because that's all either side can do. We can only come up with possibilitys. Do the ideas people are coming up with not seem like plausible ways to have Ridley work and not be broken?
>>258326919 It amuses me that people think Sakurai is a straight up asshole when he's the exact opposite. He's stated he hates giving people false hope because it benefits nobody. That's why some feel Ridley has a good shot.
>tfw you realize these threads won't stop even if the game comes out and Ridley isn't on the roster begging for him to be DLC >tfw you realize every single Smash thread will get shitposter to hell by ANTI-RIDLEY FAGS BTFO if and when he is revealed
>>258327172 In that same vein, you can say that Ridley is deconfirmed simply from that notion. He's not giving people false hope. There's no doubt that it's Ridley. Sure, we don't see him directly, but given his own statements, he'd not have shown him at all, shadow or no, if he was going to be playable.
Now, on the other hand, Sakurai being the troll that he is, would probably confirm a Ridley boss/hazard and then right after that, actually confirm Ridley.
I just don't see him being that cunning about it, so I prefer to just assume he's out.
I have full confidence that he "could" be in. His size is not a problem, it's a challenge but not a problem. That's really true for the whole character. He has great potential but a few things that can make implementation difficult, but not impossible. So far he has big chances of being in. Either he's a boss, a trophy or a playable character. So the odds are 1 out of 3 he's playable.
The Wii U system will intergrate a playable boss option to include up to 5 players for maximimum fun! Metroid fans will be happy to know that a beloved character will be one of them! Other boss characters include; Yellow Devil, Yveltal, Demise and more!
>>258326670 The Wii Series sold a lot because around 100 million of those were from Wii Sports being a pack in game. The rest were all super-casual piles of fun_. Anyways, Metroid's sold 4 million more than Star Fox. It's only ever had 2 reps at most in Smash. Star Fox has had 3 reps to date. Metroid deserves another rep. Ridley is basically the only character that a new rep could be.
>>258326670 Metroid is one of the most popular franchises among the hardcore in the west. That is right now Nintendo's only hope of success. They are doing ok in Japan with the casuals but they completely failed with the casual market in the west this time around. There's no wii sports or wii fit that could save the WiiU, the future of the system rests on the shoulders of games like Zelda or Smash. Total sales don't mean that much, because some games sell regardless of hype because they sell well to people who don't follow the industry closely. But other games like Smash are a huge hit with people involved enough with the industry to hear all the hype going on online. Smash 4 is already the most hyped game at gamescom, the biggest european expo, one of the big 3 along E3 and TGS. That kind of publicity and hype is great for a system that needs momentum and lacks big system sellers from the main consoles this gen, it has no last of us and no halo, smash is right now the best thing Nintendo has going and they want the western market. Ridley could help them get it.
>>258327772 Just wait for Zelda U next year. It's going to be absolutely incredible. They've got a fuckhuge team working on it. It's costing Ninty a LOT of money to make. They're rightfully investing a hell of a lot into it.
>>258327374 I am a raving Ridleyfag and if he's confirmed as a boss, that's it for his chances. Why are we Ridleyfags always singled out as the ones who'll beg for DLC? It makes sense for nearly every other character, but Ridley obviously can't be playable if he's a boss.
>>258326269 Lucina pretends to be Marth in Fire Emblem, it's why she wears the mask. It actually makes sense for her to be a clone, more so than any other character. The fact that Sakurai spent a lot less development time on Lucina means that more development time can be spent on characters that matter. You can call it laziness if you like, but he killed two birds with one stone. He made a clone that makes sense storywise and he made a lot of Lucina fans happy with minimal effort.
Oh and tippers are what makes Marth play like Marth and if it was gone, people would notice immediately.
>>258327969 He's a fucking dragon pterodactyl thing. And some of his incarnations have cybernetical shit as well. We've all seen how godly the smash redesigns tend to be. They always improve the designs of characters. You're right he is not as recognizable but combined with Samus, they make a great combo, people do recognize her. Just imagine the trailer. Starts with ZSS, which would helps the video spread and go viral because of all the service, then Ridley attacks and she goes full armor mode and shit would be badass, space dragon vs bounty hunter. It would be great for hype. Plus the Ridley begging has gotten so fucking loud even people that have never heard of him before now ask who the fuck is Ridley. If he actually appears /v/ will cream its panties, the whole gaming related side of the internet will go nuts.
>>258328149 No, "marketable" means being shown in advertising to draw in interest from casual buyers. Making the "Smash community" shit itself is not "marketing" because they're all diehards who'll buy the game regardless.
>>258327772 The vocal minority of metroidfags that clamor for a new metroid game doesn't represent the masses. Metroid isn't a system seller, especially when most people don't even know the main character's name.
Not only do I want Ridley just to have a cool space purple pterodactyl to play as, but also Metroid needs more reps other than just Samus, same goes with DK, i just want a DK and Samus rep that isn't a Monkey or Samus.
>>258322072 What? I'm actually gunning for Ridley to be extremely aerial-based. I'm expecting hint to be able to stay in the air longest and be the miser aerial-centric in the roster. If wager he'd spend more time in air than on land in average. Opposite of Little Mac, you heard it before I'm sure.
>>258329173 Dark Samus would be a nice addition if she gets to appear in future Metrtoid games. And even then, she'd likely be just a clone.
Ridley is a much better fit overall because he looks way differentand has more unique potential. He's also a much much more important character lorewise for the franchise and way more well known as well.
>>258329612 If I had to be specific I'd expect her to be a semi clone. There are barely any real clones anymore. She'd share the same body, same animations and effects for some moves but with different values and some different components, and maybe a few of unique specials or modified moves. Like Luigi to Mario.
>>258330717 Dark Samus, despite the name, isn't really a version of Samus, it's the Metroid Prime inhabiting her discarded armor. The name's unfortunate, but it's a very different character. If Dark Samus was a modified clone then the Samus trio would be more distinct from each other than Wolf/Falco/Fox or Luigi/Mario/Dr. Mario were.
Oh god these threads make me feel tingly inside. It will be sooooo satisfying when delusional Ridleyfags will have to face the truth and BTFO. I think I'm more hyped to Ridley deconfirmation than I am for the release of the game. Ridleyfag tears will be the new youth serum for all of us.
>>258336251 Yea but it ain't happening that is the point. Master Chief getting in would create a big shitstorm too but no one is hyped for that because it is unrealistic, just as Ridley getting in except somehow there are some people who legitimetly believe Ridley will get in that is the amusing part.
>>258336071 >I think I'm more hyped to Ridley deconfirmation than I am for the release of the game Antifags in a nutshell. True Ridleybros love Nintendo and Smash Brothers, these guys are just here to make /v/ worse.
>>258324767 >Lucina was originally an alt for Marth. >And she should've stayed that way. I don't understand this mentality. Why does it matter? If anything, making her her own character does nothing but, well, add another character to the roster. It also gives her her own portrait, and the annoucner says her name instead of Marth. It cures autism.
Do you really think Sakurai has some sort of 'set roster slots' he strictly follows, and cut a character to fit her in? Or that, even though they had done the model, all the work they invested in making her her own character was anywhere close to that of making a new character by scratch?
Making Lucina her own character was, at most, a weekend project.
The shadow segment kinda looks like he jumps off the right platform, doe some sort of air grab, which nabs pikachu and locks him into a hover mode, before he drops him, lands on a platform, then jumps off it and over to the right.
You'll have to look for a video of his shadow moving really slowly.
>>258344648 >I don't understand this mentality. Why does it matter? If anything, making her her own character does nothing but, well, add another character to the roster. It also gives her her own portrait, and the annoucner says her name instead of Marth. It cures autism.
Lucina was a bullshit addition and you know it. Even Fire Emblem fags won't deny it. Sakurai is undeniably giving shitty Nintendo characters for this game and so far nobody but them have gotten any decent treatment. The dude is walking a tightrope, one more move like that and the new roster will easily be the worst new batch in the series.
>>258345616 >Sakurai is undeniably giving shitty Nintendo characters for this game and so far nobody but them have gotten any decent treatment. The dude is walking a tightrope, one more move like that and the new roster will easily be the worst new batch in the series. The new additions are the best in the series so far, so many of them are unique. Lucina's the only clone newcomer. Not to mention the roster can't possibly be worse than Melee's.
Let me guess, you're one of those guys whose favorite obscure character was deconfirmed and now you're calling the entire roster bad? Brother, I know what it's like, but then I realized Sakurai, especially this time around, adds fun characters who appeal to a lot of people.
>>258345832 Mother got another rep and Mother 3 didn't do incredibly. Wario games have sold a lot, yet he only gets one rep. The Metroid series has sold more than Star Fox, but it only has two unless Sakurai decides to add Ridley, which I sincerely doubt.
>>258328338 >>258328513 >ZSS is fighting a smash fight and KO's her foe >the wall suddenly gets a hole blown through it >here'sjohnny.jpg >Samus scowls and goes full powersuit activation >he blows through the fucking wall the rest of the way in an explosive manner as his tagline appears >we get an HD super fucking awesome shot of this scene remastered
Seriously, we'll need something like that to top the Robin trailer.
>>258346370 >Then why doesnt Robin's female version get a slot, too Because it's "Robin" and has the same exact abilities, you retard.
>IC >Marth the unknown >Falco and the clones >good Stop pretending Melee's roster is any better. You can't get anywhere defending a roster with fucking Dr.Mario. At least Pichu and YL were different characters.
>There are people who are against the very idea of having the possibility to play as a dragon who happens to be a space pirate, a cyborg and purple I understand not caring about a character, but actively being against it is silly.
>inb4 then lets just had Whispy Wood and a Goomba! You know damn well it's not the same thing, stop pretending you're retarded
>>258346701 >TFW there's a good chance Whispy won't make it in Smash 4 He's been in every Smash game before that. Hell, he's been in every Kirby game in some form as well. The idea that we won't get Whispy returning is honestly kind of sad.
>Greninja >all the waifu bait >over abundance of FE characters >appealing to a lot of people The only new characters with fanbases are Pac and Mega Man and maybe Mac, nobody asked for anyone else, how fucking old are you?
>>258346974 >Greninja Obligatory new Pokemon rep. It's not fair to complain about him but not Lucario or Mewtwo. >all the waifu bait Who cares? They all look like fun new additions to the roster, arguably save Lucina but she's just a glorified alt. >over abundance of FE characters The series has thirteen installments and has three reps, and a fourth who is just a slightly tweaked alt and barely counts. She's not hogging a spot in the roster, so again who cares >appealing to a lot of people They do.
Pokemon fans are pleased by Greninja. People who want to play as girls, like their playstyle, or like the characters individually are pleased with the inclusion of the female characters. The numerous Fire Emblem Awakening fans are glad by at the least Robin's inclusion, and even Lucina's too because she's a beloved character.
>>258343048 >>258344414 >Sakurai and his tiny team announced that making the 6 clones in melee was about the same amount of effort as creating a single unique character >Sakurai is now working with Bamco >Bamco is a shitload larger than his tiny team >"hay guyz lucina is eating up too much spaec and ruined the chances of ____ getting in, boycott them!"
>>258347351 Mewtwo is a legendary from gen 1. His addition is well deserved. Greninja is an asspull, and he's the most dependable looking character so far. If I'm willing to admit that you can too.
>They all look like fun new additions to the roster This is an opinion.
>The series has thirteen installments and has three reps, and a fourth who is just a slightly tweaked alt and barely counts. She's not hogging a spot in the roster, so again who cares Stop apologizing for Sak's bullshit. 90% of the new roster is characters that are less than 10 years old.
>The numerous Fire Emblem Awakening fans are glad by at the least Robin's inclusion, and even Lucina's too because she's a beloved character. LOL You honestly think Awakening sold well, don't you?
>>258347791 Pyrosphere Boss >Baby Ridley Starts off as this Ridley, it just does what Fletchling does in this game, which is just peck and walk towards people.To take him out you must hit him off the stage, into the lava.
>Second form Ridley The Quadrupedal form of Ridley, not final form, jumps out from the lava and jumps on the various platforms while trying to stab you with his tail, although the only way to beat him is to hit the tail before it hits you, after a few hits you do Ridley will blast off, team rocket style.
>Final Form Ridley Ridley comes through the walls of the Pyrosphere and will occasionally grab you and attempt to throw you into the lava or fly around and stab you with his tail, you just need to hit him a lot to beat, Ridley will then blast off into the background but you will see him fall into the lava. Regular could still be playable too
>>258348812 >For the millionth time, Sakurai doesn't add characters based on whether or not they're "deserving" but fun to play, and that's the way it should be. Clones are fun to play and sales don't determine how many characters get in? Ok pal.
>Who cares This defense is impenetrable and deviates to a new question because you have nothing better to say.
>It sold over a million, saved the entire series, and is the best selling Fire Emblem game to date. That's pathetic for a mainstream Nintendo game. Sakurai makes one weird exception for FE not adhering to the sales rule, KI gets a free ride because it's his Frankenstein, but that's a shit reason as well. Why is this so hard for you to admit?
>>258349165 Um, yeah faggot, they should have. >"Chrom would be too similar to Marth, so he's not in." >"So here's a literal clone." You'd have to have eaten a lot of paint chips to not see the bullshit here.
>>258349380 >his moves will be for Ness >ignores Lucina and Toon Link being added >implying Falco and Ganondorf with their clone movesets won't return >implying they will cut Lucas for your imaginary slots.
>>258349397 >That's pathetic for a mainstream Nintendo game. In what universe is Fire Emblem Mainstream? Mainstream Nintendo is Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. And besides, for a 3DS title, a Million is largely successful and far enough to make a profit. Hell, the Etrian Odyssey series is profitable, and it's lucky to make it over 150,000 sales. You're delusional if you think 3DS Games, and Nintendo in general follow the 'Must sell 7 Million copies or it's a flop" business model.
>>258349612 That's why they added Robin instead of Chrom. Lucina was in because they had originally made her an Alt. Costume but decided to just make her a full character because why not.
Besides, she's a waifu. That alone seperates her from Marth. Haven't you noticed how they worked to make Ike look more different than Marth?
>>258349397 >Clones are fun to play and sales don't determine how many characters get in? Ok pal. The former is more subjective but the latter is objectively true to an extend and can be observed by looking at the roster.
>That's pathetic for a mainstream Nintendo game. Which Fire Emblem isn't. Awakening made the series good and pulled its sales out of the gutter, but it's still no Mario.
>Sakurai makes one weird exception for FE not adhering to the sales rule >one
Guess you're ignoring Mother 3, which did a lot more poorly than Awakening but Lucas still getting in, or Wario, which does a lot better than Mother or Fire Emblem yet only has one rep, or Pikmin 2, whose various versions outsold other series that are already represented yet only has one rep, so on and so forth.
>>258349769 >>258349643 Lucina and Toon Link have differences other than just moves and make more sense to have their own slots. Lucas' moves could just be Ness customs. Really I could say the same of Falco, but he's a veteran and is probably safe, and they're not going to cut Ganondorf for obvious reasons.
>Lucina exists as an Alt costume for Marth >On a whim, Sakurai tweaks her blade properties and shifts her to a roster slot >People will argue this is a terrible thing and will affect the overall roster
Literally all Sakurai did was create a very slightly different playstyle for an existing character. Maybe an hour or two worth of work.
>Sakurai confirmes stage bosses for the 3DS >Metroid stage for the 3DS yet to be shown >Sakurai hasn't confirmed/deconfirmed Ridley as of yet >Clueless Ridleyfags start up Smash 3DS hoping for the best >Pyroshpear is one of the default stages >See Ridley turns up as a stage boss >Kick his ass and watch him explode >On the verge of sweet, sweet tears >Post match results has you face a RECONSTRUCTED Ridley of a smaller size
>>258349984 >>258350216 >Lucina and Toon Link have differences other than just moves and make more sense to have their own slots. height and speeed? Big diffference faggot, lucas is more unique with speed and A moves and smashs Also >mother 3 sellling poorly Asshole it sold really great in japan, it was the top seller for it's time And look at this https://miiverse.nintendo.net/replies/AYMHAAACAABnUYn9HXMxEA >However, whenever there is even a small difference in abilities, that character gets an actual roster slot. Lucas habilities and A moves are really different from ness, he's coming back and not getting his moves butchered stop wanting him to get cut
Ridley is not in the game. There is literally no mention of him. In fact, if you tried to go back and play a Metroid game after playing Smash 4 Ridley would not be there either. You'd walk into the boss room but suddenly there's no Ridley. Super Metroid will be able to be completed in a few minutes as you can simply grab the baby metroid and go home because there is no Ridley. In time, Ridley will be forgotten and he will fade from people's memories as if he never existed.
I hear this every fucking Smash thread that Lucas comes up in and it's getting to me more and more every time.
Lucas shares exactly 5 moves with Ness: His specials, his forward smash, and his final smash. Literally everything else, every single tilt, smash, throw, and aerial, are completely different. He is 85% an original moveset. There's no reason to gut Lucas for his special moves.
>>258350447 >Asshole it sold really great in japan, it was the top seller for it's time No it didn't, check those sales again. http://www.vgchartz.com/game/3847/mother-3/ inb4 >vgchartz Show me something better then.
>>258350447 >However, whenever there is even a small difference in abilities, that character gets an actual roster slot. He was referring to characters working as alts for other characters. Stop taking what he said out of context.
>Implying I want him to get cut I don't. I'm simply being realistic and realizing that besides Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Snake, he is the most likely one to be on the chopping block.
>>258350669 >vgchartz Alright you are retarded >Show me something better then. You have the whole fucking internet to check it to yourself instead of posting vgchartz shit >He was referring to characters working as alts for other characters. Stop taking what he said out of context. Oh no faggot stop moving goalposts, he was posting about similar chartacters like mario and luigi getting different slots becauset their abillitties are different Just like lucas being similar than ness but being different because of his skills >I don't. I'm simply being realistic and realizing that besides Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Snake, he is the most likely one to be on the chopping block. Oh no you are the "l-lucas is muh main I swear" faggot who pull excuses out of his ass, you clearly want him cut because you keep spouting the same shit wich it doesn't make sense >realistic >cutting character easy to modelate and made and that was loved by the smash community when first revealed >b-but he's japan only and irrelevant Didn't stop Prince of sable and Takamaru to make and appearence >b-b-but AT are different from fighters No, you were talking that only popular/relevant characters appear in smash, wich clearly Prince of sable and takamaru aren't, and lucas boosted popularity thanks to brawl. It also didn't stop captain falcon wich hasn't have a game in 10 years >b-but he's fan favorite Fan favorite or relevancy, stand your point
>>258351420 >You have the whole fucking internet to check it to yourself instead of posting vgchartz shit http://forum.starmen.net/forum/Games/Mother3/37114 Got this from Google, still pretty weak.
>>258351420 >Oh no faggot stop moving goalposts, he was posting about similar chartacters like mario and luigi getting different slots becauset their abillitties are different No he wasn't you retard, he said that when he was talking about LUCINA'S inclusion. He meant that characters wouldn't be alts if they had differences in their abilities from the original; for instance, Lucina can't be an alt for Marth because the sweespot on her sword was made different. He didn't say anything about giving another character's moves to an original as customizations.
>you clearly want him cut because you keep spouting the same shit wich it doesn't make sense It does make sense and I don't want to get my hopes up. >Didn't stop Prince of sable and Takamaru to make and appearence Oh you're that same retard who thinks adding a character as an assist trophy is the same as having a playable one. The purpose of assist trophies are to acknowledge characters who aren't important enough to be playable, basically fanservice. Has nothing to do with relevance or being Japan only. Sakurai even stated this on the Dojo.
>>258351589 You're just a retard. Lucina is just a glorified alt costume. She could've remained an alt like Macs tracksuit or Wario's biker outfit but they decided to give her a seperate slot on the screen. It took fuck all dev time to put her in a seperate slot.
>>258351782 >The purpose of assist trophies are to acknowledge characters who aren't important enough to be playable Waluigi and nintendo dogs would like to talk to you, especially waluigi being well know and more than rosalina and nintendogs being a great selling title on the ds and 3ds, leaving FE:A in the dust
http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html >Assist Trophies allow you to enjoy even more characters who couldn’t quite make it as playable fighters. You may even see some that only the most dedicated fans will recognize, so you’ll have to look forward to them. BTFO
>>258352613 >People being autistic and bitching that Sakurai took 2 hours out of dev time to make an alt. costume of a character into a different character because she literally is a different character
>>258352613 >peole throwing a fit because Sakurai decided to give an alt costume a seperate slot
>BUT SHE TOOK UP PRECIOUS DEVELOPMENT TIME AND NOW MY FAVORITE CHARACTER WON'T GET IN BECAUSE THEY WERE CUT BECAUSE OF LUCINA AND THERE CAN ONLY BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SLOTS ON THE CHARACTER SELECT SCREEN
I'm not saying Sakurai is purposely teasing Ridley for false hype, I'm just saying that it's possible he may really think Ridley being a boss is a good thing and they want to hype it up. Sakurai could just be doing his thing without even thinking about what the gamers think.
>>258352948 >What is unforgivable is that they gave her Marth's moveset and called it a day THAT'S BECAUSE SHE WAS JUST AN ALT COSTUME CAN YOU NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND THIS OH NO SHE GOT HER OWN SLOT INSTEAD OF BEING A SELECTABLE COSTUME FOR MARTH BIG FUCKING DEAL
>>258352539 How could that BTFO me? Waluigi is more of a fighter that rosalina is, and this is coming from the mouth of a rosalinafag you stupid memespouter. I'm impressed that rosalina despite being less popular and fighter like made it instead of waluigi, but your trophy description didn't make sense, he also refered that those characters weren't too fight centered to be a fighter. Kill yourself nigger
>>258352948 Use Character Customization to make the Lucina character have different moves than Marth
There you go.
>>258353016 Sakurai would have to be way out of touch for that to happen. He knows people wanted Waluigi, Ashley, and Skull Kid as characters, but doesn't know that people really want Ridley, one of the biggest kek characters that can derail any Smash thread is one of the most wanted characters in the west?
>>258353315 >Rosalina is exponentially more popular than Waluigi. No she isn't, kids knew more about waluigi because he keept appearing in spin off as playable while rosalina does in a few like mario kart. Not to mentions japs love waluigi much more than her Stop being delusional and retarded
>>258353389 Do YOU not know the difference? She is a glorified alt costume you utter retard.
"Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup." http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/07/sakurai_explains_why_chrom_didnt_make_it_into_super_smash_bros_for_wii_u_and_3ds
Sakurai just decided to make her a seperate slot on a whim so fuck off.
>>258353814 I'm not supporting clones though. I am simply explaining that Lucina is just a glorified alt costume because people are getting their panties in a twist over 'muh slots' Clones have been in Smash since Melee and they aren't going to go away because it's a way to add more characters quickly. in Melee we could have had Dedede (1 unique character) or the clones and we got the clones. I don't like clones either but I am explaining why it's pointless to get worked up about them.
>>258353268 Thing is, is Ridley such a massively popular character outside of this corner of the Internet. It's not like he speaks English and browses 4chan, so unless 2ch is alai having endless Ridley confirmed threads, the "popularity" doesn't mean much.
>>258332540 I really don't think he does. I think he prefers more humanoid fighters.
Even Bowser and Yoshi are standing upright now. Obviously DK and Pikachu need to be exceptions. Charizard is very traditional Kaiju in a rubber suit stanced so he's easy to design with more human moves.
Shame really, would add so much variety. People love the uglier and meaner characters.
Sorry but Ridley makes such a good boss character that he'll most likely not be playable unless boss characters were playable. Hell, he's TWO boss characters, normal Ridley and meta Ridley. Smash is already lacking in boss characters as it is.
>>258355642 But alt costume is basically synonymous with clone I know she's a fucking clone. An alt costume implies it is the same character but aesthetically different, meaning they are still a clone. How can you not grasp this?
>>258356694 Everyone knows she a clone but she never was taking up dev time for the characters. Fuck she wasn't even on list to be a character on the roster.
The REAL roster aka, the one that Sakurai decided without making any late cuts or additions AT THE TIME featured every character that was announced at the DOJO and whatever secret characters they have before release.
The full roster was probably done around early 2014 right between Little Mac's announcement and the Smash Direct.
Lucina's issue was that she was gonna be Marth's alternate costume and no one had a problem with that. But her skeletal model never did quite match up to Marth. At that time her hitbox set up was so different from Marth that Sakurai decided that he would make her a full fledge character.
What he did was speed her up, even out the blade with no sweet spot like Marth's tipper or Roy's hilt and gave her some new animations that probably took around like 2 hours.
She was probably finished sometime before E3 or even some extra time around the Smash Direct.
You assholes acted like she got on the roster and took away dev time from making Ridley playable or some shit when there SA certain team for everything
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