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METAKNIGHT JOINS THE FIGHT!
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WHAT IS LIFE
AS A SPHERE
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http://www.smashbros.com/us/
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>>257687574

SS
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emergency bump
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>>257687574
hardly a reveal though is it, he was in Brawl.

When someone mentions a SSB reveal I at least expect it to be something new and original.
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RIDLEY?
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>>257687574
TO NIGHT THE NIGHT!
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TONIGHT THE KNIGHT
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>>257687574
So is he getting nerved?
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I can't wait for Smash autists to ban him in this game too
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>>257688196
nerfed*
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>Tfw it's real
http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/metaknight.html
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I hope he doesn't have a gorillion invincibility frames this time
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Why do they call him Meta Knight? Does he like to break the fourth wall?
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WaddleDee deconfirmed
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I'm surprised there hasn't been any unfunny baneposting yet.
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>>257688684
All is lost.

Doesn't deconfirm Adeleine though.
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>>257688557
He likes to break your anal walls.
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Let's talk about how beautifully blue and purple he is.
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>>257687574
STANDING HERE
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Yeah, I love Meta-Knight, and I'm glad that he's back and all, but

WHEN'S
FUCKING
WARIO
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>>257689172
Why do you encourage them?
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>>257689918
sep 13th
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>>257689637
He looks fucking great
Smash 4's art style is so much fucking better than Brawl's.
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>>257689918
>Nintendo Direct
>Wario is exploring the pyramid
>discovers a new passage
>painting on the wall depicts people fighting
>hops on the Frog Switch
>E-E-E-EXCELLENT
>swirls through the portal and pops out in the middle of a Smash battle
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LAAAAAAAMEEEEEEEEE
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>>257690491
>E-E-E-EXCELLENT
fuck I want him to have his compressed GBA voice
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I'm a noob at Smash. Can someone tell me about Meta Knight? Why does he wear the mask?
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Play a real fighting game smash babbys
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Stop shoehorning your shitty characters Sakurai and reveal REAL character like Wario or Ganondorf.
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>>257690731
Is this Smash 4 gameplay? Wario looks strong in the new game.
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>>257690731
looks like you posted the wrong game by accident
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>>257690731
>GUTTER TRASH
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UNMASKED META KNIGHT WHEN?
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>>257689306
Don't you have a comic to end, Matthew?
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>>257687912
lol this retard doesn't know what a reveal is
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>>257690614
Literally blue Kirby behind the mask iirc. Not actually sure of his roles in the games, fake antagonist or something.
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>>257690614
It would appear that he's just a blue Kirby without it.
You could say that no one even cared who he was until he put on the mask and crashed the Halberd with no survivors.
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>>257692692
everyone evacuated
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>>257692692
so are his wings glued on? they look like ridley's
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>>257693056
If everyone evacuated, then there's nobody to survive the crash.
No survivors.
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>>257693395
actually
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>>257693586
pretty sure MetaKnight saved him before escaping, in Superstar you notice that he takes his time before flying off the Halberd.
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>>257693676
what about all those wheelies
wheelies can swim
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>>257690491
>wario getting his own announcement trailer
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>>257693814
tires can float
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Those are nice gauntlets
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They need to give Kirby an alt that looks like the same color as Meta Knight
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>>257689637
Do those wings remind you of someone?
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The entirety of Meta Knightmare would be like a fucking horror movie. You think you're a tough guy because you got a bigass ship and you just wipe the planet's biggest hero off your ship like it was nothing.
Then holy shit, he's back.
He then starts to fucking wreck everything and all you can do is throw more men at him until you battle fortress is just a smoking wreck in the ocean.
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So there are 8 characters left. Who's going to make it, guys?
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>>257696727
At least 8. They add new pages each time
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>>257694119
No they don't.
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>>257696727
>muh patterns

The number of slots left has never been an indication of how many characters are left
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>>257694324
I wish they didn't. I know who you mean and I wish I didn't. I don't have much if any hope of him happening. I just want to see him already. I'd rather be 100% blown the fuck out than this.
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>>257690491
>A veteran getting a announcement trailer to himself

What a idiot
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I never liked the realistic look Sakurai gives Meta Knight. I wish he looked how he is in the new kirby games. But I'm probably just being autistic.
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>>257689918

Never.
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>>257690491
>veteran
>own reveal trailer to himself
hehehehehehehehe you are stupid
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thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3gLNomXwlw
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>>257694467
>tfw no Kirby survival horror game starring Waddle Dee
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i hope they nerf him into the dirt.

>no priority
>slowest character
>gets weaker when ahead
>1/8th the flight time
>crashes the console
>erases save file
>downloads CP and gets you v&
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Y'all know Meta Knight is getting nerfed.

OPMETAKNIGHTFAGS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
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>>257688196
Only in the aspect that his shuttle loop doesn't go into a glide.

They also didn't reveal what his final smash is.
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did this actually surprise anybody?
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>>257698393
Yes, people actually thought Captain Falcon and Meta Knight would be cut.
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I hope we get veteran reveals every week until release, with a newcomer trailer right before it comes out.
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>>257698545
to be fair if he's as bad as he was in brawl they might as well just leave him out. no one wants to play a gimped super hero.

>looking at you link and samus. for shame
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>>257698393
There were retards thinking that Yoshi was being cut.

There were retards thinking Captain Falcon was being cut.

There were retards thinking Metaknight would be cut.

There are currently retards out there believing that any character that has not been announced RIGHT THIS FUCKING SECOND has been cut.

Yes, those people honestly think Ness, Jigglypuff, Wario, Lucas, ROB, and Game and Watch, and landmaster trio are all cut.
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>>257689637
Dem plated gloves
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>>257687574
>Not even nerfed
>Actually gets BUFFED
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6 MORE YEAR
6 MORE YEAR
6 MORE YEAR
6 MORE YEAR
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Guys what if this happens?

>Wario next week
>Ice Climbers the week after
>Then Lucas or Ness
>Newcomer trailer a day or two before release

This makes sense right?
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>>257689637
He looks almost the exact same as he did in Brawl, I honestly think they just ported his old model over. The only differences are red lining on his shoulder pads and some scratches, the pointless gloves, and his wings are smoother.
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Oh look

Another blue-haired swordsman
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>>257699017
tournament fags & smogon fags get BTFO
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>>257696727
>>257696973
>>257697317
That changes based on browser and resolution, it literally means nothing.
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>>257688684
That's not Bandana Dee.
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>>257699219
>>257699219
No, it's everyone. Playing against MK even casually wasn't fun or fair at all, he'd wreck you no matter who you played as. He was incredibly broken.
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>>257689637
Dude... aside from the veins, they are slightly scaled down versions of this guy's wings.

Right down to the spike.

I love mataknight, but I always thought his wings were blue, not purple.

it's almost like he ripped the wings off and attached them to Metaknight.
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>>257699172
>the pointless gloves
The gloves are cute, you know nothing.
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>>257699017

So far, Shuttle Loop has been nerfed, plus he doesn't have that retarded good ledge game anymore.
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Metaknight's new B+Up move. Looks like an uppercut.
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BATTURU DAMIGEU
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>>257699371
>being this bad
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>>257699383
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>>257699587
it's an upward slash with his sword just like is old Up+B. You can even see the sword slicing through Kirby. Where are you getting uppercut from?
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>>257699607
cuntfurmed for only 5 dollars paid dlc
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>>257699607
>metaknight's mask gets a cut down it
>Falcon's helmet gets dented
>Link's shield gets scuffed
Please?

>>257699587
It's the shuttle loop from Brawl, it just doesn't transition into a glide.
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Ridley fags getting passively BTFO
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>>257699705
is that nightmare in dreamland or KSSU?

if it's nightmare in dreamland, that would explain why I didn't remember it since I haven't played that game for years.
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>>257699624
>>257699624
It's not even a matter of skill, MK was just so broken it wasn't even funny. He was faster than almost anyone else and unlike Sonic he wasn't ass to compensate.
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>>257699017
nah he got nerfed a little
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>>257699416
They were never in any other game.

>>257699480
>So far, Shuttle Loop has been nerfed
Buffed, it hits twice now. He just doesn't glide.
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>>257699857
i dunno, I'm kinda pleased.

Sakurai hasn't said "no characters glide anymore".

He stated Pit can't glide and MK shuttle loop doesn't transition into a glide.
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>>257698215
Why would they? This is Smash 4, not that Project M garbage.
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>>257699914
He's not broken.
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>>257700010
>>257700010
From the thumbnail I'd honestly have thought it was a Brawl screenshot were it not for "Wii U" and Kirby's expression.
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One thing that really bothers me

Sakurai mentioned him as a "Hero"

There foes the whole "Villains trailer"
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>>257699738
I remembered Metaknight and Sword Kirby having a sword uppercut in the Kirby games when you pushed Up+A which is what this picture reminded me of.

Also his old Up+B move was a loop before gliding through the air.
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>>257700036

When are we getting a real Kirby game the wee woo? That clay thing looks weak
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since slippy was a mask that was revealed in a japanese magazine does this mean Slippy is in Smash. Are we going to have 4 landmasters in smash?
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>>257699017

We cant base anything yet

For all we know we might as well call everybody whose currently confirmed but not playable at R"E3 to.be OP
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>>257700109
he wasn't a villain in SSE
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>>257700227
that was a regular frog hat
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>>257700012

Just because it hits twice doesn't mean both hits do the same damage. Also, that glide was pretty damn good. It let him recover in some extremely outlandish ways.
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>>257700058
He's so high-tier he has his own special ranking just for him.
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>>257700109
Meta Knight was never a villain.
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>>257699914

He's definitely absurd, but I didn't find him so bad in casual matches. Maybe that's because I played people worse than I was though.
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>>257700346
He tried to kill Kirby.
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See? Dark blue. The purples are coming up. Ridley, Mewtwo, Hades.
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>>257700472
Kirby was being a faggot.
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>>257698215

He has no flight time, Miiverse mentioned that.

Not to mention the gliding mechanic all together was removed.
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>>257690731
LOOKS LIKE WARIO IS GOD TIER IN SMASH
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>>257699151

>Sakurai
>Making sense
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>>257700472
90% of the time that was to protect Dream Land and because Kirby was being an idiot and trying to break things.

In Revenge of Meta Knight he wanted people to stop being lazy, and Kirby blew up his entire ship. I'd be pretty mad too.
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>>257700109
Meta knight was a villain only in one game, Superstar saga (I think that's the only game at least).
In all the other games he's a ally/rival of kirby
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>>257687574
>isn't as round as Kirby
There must be some imposed poly limit on characters and because Meta Knight has more shit on than Kirby you can clearly see he isn't as rounded.
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>>257700036
>Kirby Air Ride 2

I WANT THIS SO MUCH

I cant believe how many hours of city trial I played with my friends back then. Good times.
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>>257700343
He's not that much better than Ice Climbers and Olimar, imo.
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>>257700680
>superstar saga
superstar*
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>>257700109
He isn't a fucking villain, you stupid fucker.

King Dedede is.

>b-but muh newer Kirby games
Are directed by a new guy that isn't Sakurai. He always displayed King Triple D as a greedy asshole who only thanks you if you help him.
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>>257700680
Isn't that a Mario and Luigi game?
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You know one thing I kinda want for Smash 4? Rival battles.

Part of classic mode. Maybe have a small SSE like cutscene before the battle similar to SSF4 (no talking) of two characters bumping into each other and deciding to fight.

Mario VS Sonic
Bowser VS Ganon
Pac-Man VS Game and Watch
Samus VS Little Mac
Rosalina VS Palutena
Villager VS Toon Link

Any others you can think of?
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>>257700058
But he is. Infinite recovery, invincible stalling glitch, strong and fast smash attacks, priority out the ass, all his specials have use.
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>>257700664
Examples? I only remember superstar.
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>>257700837
How are any of those but Mario and Sonic rivals? A rival fight would be Luigi and waluigi or sonic and shadow
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>>257700837
>Link Vs Pit
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>>257701012
They can be kinda similar. Besides what the point in rivals being from same game series in a crossover?
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>>257700837
Kratos vs Sweet Tooth
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Kirby sucks. I don't know why anyone picks him.
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>>257700837

Mega Man Vs. Captain Falcon, the battle for which is the deader franchise.
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>>257700837
Samus vs Megaman
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>>257701180
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>>257701180
Because Kirby sucks.
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>>257700898
I should have worded it differently, he rarely attacks Kirby with ill intent of his own free will.

Adventure/NiDL: Protecting a piece of the Star Rod, because once Kirby gets it he accidentally unleashes Nightmare, which is what Dedede and his cronies like MK were trying to prevent

Squeak Squad: Took the chest away from Kirby to prevent him from unleashing Dark Nebula

Epic Yarn: Possessed

Amazing Mirror: Wasn't even MK that fought Kirby, but Dark Meta Knight.
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>>257700880
His recovery is really good but not infinite. His cape glitched is banned in most tournaments. His smashes are not that strong and they're punishable. His sword can't even block projectiles. And he's not the only character with all useful specials.
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Just a quick reminder that if Mewtwo were to return, Mega evolutions would be the new Triple Landmasters
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>>257700880

His smash attacks are generally one of his weaker areas outside of the down smash.
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>>257701401
At least they'd behave differently though.
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>>257701401
At least they wouldn't be literally the same thing.
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>>257700012
>He just doesn't glide.
i.e: he cannot recuperate from every non-ko situation anymore.
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>>257699172
>I honestly think they just ported his old model over
Nope, he looks much better and defined and his model has differences too like the plated gloves and the more detailed wings.
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>>257701180
I've mained Kirby since n64. Get at me
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Holy shit, I never noticed how edgy he looks.

Look at these pictures and tell me he is not a literal "fuck everyone" guy.
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Somebody do a comparison with Brawl
New Smash looks much more.cleaner and dat hand armor
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>>257700485
Falco is the next blue one.
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>>257699017
>BUFFED
The hell are you on? He got nerfed, hard.
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>>257701293

Source? Google says nothing
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>>257701761
>tell me he is not a literal "fuck everyone" guy.

Err
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>>257701761
he's just a naughtybutt

le captcha: nalanced was
d-do you mean balanced??
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Yay, Edgy Knight, Samurais favoritism incarnate, joins the fight uninvited again.
Well, at least all these rubbish character reveals lately will make the good ones more exciting.
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>>257699371
>he'd wreck you no matter who you played as
Maybe if you didn't suck ass.
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>>257701895
Sorry, it's just in my Palutena folder.
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>>257689637
rally noice
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>>257700109
Are you that autist that spergs over a character being a villain or not in most ssb threads?
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>>257701753
read the post again.
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>>257687574
Honestly, Meta Knight is probably the one character I didn't care to see back in Smash.
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I knew he was getting in, but I'm actually kinda glad that they revealed Meta Knight today cause I was curious how they changed him.
His shuttle loop's gliding got shitcanned and all continuous jabs now have a finisher at the end, so I think it's safe to say he's not as dangerous as in Brawl, but he'll still be good.
Waiting on Wario and Ganondorf, I'm curious as to what the fate of their movesets are.
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>>257701761
how can you call this adorably faced ball edgy?
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>>257702710
Meta-Knight murdered the Mii
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>>257702494
No cute face can blunt that little edgemaster.
>>257702710
>>257702787
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>>257700837
I like that. Let me expand that list.
Link VS Pit
Dong VS Dedede big guys
ZSS VS WFT
Fox VS Sheik
Kirby VS Yoshi
Marth VS Meta Knight
Falco VS Falcon
Ness VS Wario revenge time
Zelda VS Robin
Peach VS Jigglypuff
Wolf VS Lucario they're both wolves
Luigi VS Lucas The coward fight
Pikachu VS ROB
Greninja VS Ice Climbers
Charizard VS Ridley
Lucina VS Shulk
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Leakerbro said there would be a reveal today.
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>>257703442
Yeah.
Sakurai revealed a veteran.
:^)
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>>257703585
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
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>>257703442
You know he onfirmed himself as a fake right?
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MiiTA KNIGHT FAGS BTFO

B
T
F
O
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>>257703713
Hey, it's not my fault Ridley and Shulk weren't revealed, maybe next time kiddo.
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>>257703442
Every pic of day is a reveal.
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>>257700680
>>257700472

He wasn't supposed to be evil in Super Star either. The translation fucked up his dialog to make him look more cruel. "Time to die, Kirby" was originally just "Now we duel."

Sure this was before his character was properly established but for some reason they even kept that translation in the DS remake.
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>>257699776
>if you stay alive 400-600 damage with falcon, his helmet breaks off completely revealing his face
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>>257701214
Wouldn't that be a four-way match with Ness, Mega Man, Captain Falcon and Ice Climbers?
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>>257701217
Oh God, I can see this one in my head.
>Mega Man skipping around like a little spaz
>sees Samus
>stares at her arm
>thinks of all the Robot Masters arm
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-0p8K6eJs8&t=2m34s
>8-Bit picture of "Samus Man"
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>>257701657
His recovery abilities are gimped, but he can still go out on the offensive just as hard.

>>257701730
Those are like the only differences, and those seem more to me like modifications to an existing model.

You can't tell me with a straight face that they made Meta Knight's Kerfuffle model from the ground up like they did for almost everyone else.

>>257702017
I don't suck.
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>>257701214
>>257704026
atleast Captain falcon has a few games on the shop
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>>257701895
>>257702052
It's made by Art of the Lion.
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I just realized that Ridleyfags got BTFO'd because Kirby will gain MK's wings after consuming him, meaning the same would hypothetically happen by consuming Ridley - and that can't happen because the wings look too much alike.

RIDLEY CON-FINALLY-FUCKING-FIRMED FOR NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN
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>>257701012
>Bowser VS Ganon
Bad guys.
>Pac-Man VS Game and Watch
1981
>Samus VS Little Mac
see pic
>Rosalina VS Palutena
Goddesses
>Villager VS Toon Link
Art style
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>>257704389
So does Pac-Man, Ness and the Ice Climbers?
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>>257690491
>>257694010
>>257697715
>>257697961
What if during the next Direct between other games there is a 5 minute trailer for a different vertran
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>>257687574
He still looks a little too edgy.
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>>257704448
He'd get a Ridley hat like with Yoshi.
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>>257704448
They could just use his beak.

But Ridley's not getting in regardless because he's a stage hazard on Pyrosphere.
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>Sakurai playing favorites.jpg

Nevermind the Dragon-types in the background.
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>>257704448
>Kirby will gain MK's wings after consuming him
The fuck are you getting this from? Kirby just had the mask in Brawl.
I mean Ridley's still not getting in but come on, you're better than this.
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>>257704702
>implying sakurai isnt a smogonfag
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I was hoping they'd ditch the unecessary detail thing Brawl had going.
Metaknight's feet don't have to be that complex, nor do his gloves.
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>>257698914
There were retards thinking that we were only getting 18 characters back when the site first launched.
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>>257704520
I dont understand

It's metaknight. This is how he has always been
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>>257704702
Looks like Elite 4's teams are stage hazards
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>>257704990
It's as though Sakurai is trying to hide the fact that Meta Knight is a blue puffball. He's making him sharper and angrier for some reason.
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>>257698914
Goddamn finally someone with a working brain.
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>>257687574
Also revealed today is information on the 3DS solo stuff, which revealed that the Mii's will replace the Wire Frame fighters in Multi Man Mode.

http://www.smashbros.com/en-uk/3ds/gamemode/entry3.html
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>>257704520

Meta Knight is just a literal edgelord version of Kirby who gets all flustered when you reveal his cute face.
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>there were actually people who thought the Meta Knight mask was a deconfirmation
these people were mostly butthurt ridleyfags
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>>257705160
>proper target smash confirmed for gone

Lame
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>>257705160
wasn't that leaked recently?
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>>257700813
Not being directed by Sakurai means nothing.

Dedede wasn't even a villain in all of the games Sakurai did direct. He's already plenty heroic in second game of the series.

You could say that Dedede is Kirby's rival of sorts, but he isn't a villain.
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>>257705260
Define recently.

Because it was today.
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>>257705253
It's in the proper version of the game :^)
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>>257705253
Might be in the Wii U version.

>>257705260
Yeah we saw it in some screenshots on Facebook.
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>>257704926
there were retards thinking the phantom wasn't zelda's new down special and shiek wasn't going to get her own slot.

there were retards who didn't think megaman and pac-man were going to be newcomers.

there are retards who think ridley isn't a newcomer.

there are retards who think hades isn't a newcomer.

there are retards who think wonderful red is a newcomer.

there were retards who were expecting skull kid to be playable.

there are retards who expect geno to be playable.
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>>257705160
>Not the Wonderful 101
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>>257705112
But Drasna used Druddigon, Dragalge, Altaria and Noivern.
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>>257705253
Gone for the 3DS version. We might get it in the Wii U version.
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>>257705160
>Kremling trophy
K. Rool Konfirmed!
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>>257705345
I'm sure I saw a screenshot of the multi-man smash logo in the last couple weeks on here. From some jap magazine. Could've just been deja vu though.
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>>257704779
He gets the wings too bub
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>>257705359
>there are retards who think ridley isn't a newcomer.
He's not a newcomer. He is a stage hazard. We have been over this.
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>>257705160
I think the more interesting thing is that Mii Hats are shown to be unlockable. Might mean more costume stuff is also unlockable.
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>>257690731
That looks really boring
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>They get an alt costume without the mask.

Pls Sakurai.
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>>257705253
Most likely in the Wii U version. I also think the 3DS version will be missing adventure mode (in favour of Smash Run) and Boss Rush.

That's just what I'm guessing at that though.
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>>257687574
>SAKURAI ISN'T THE RUSEMASTER YOU SAY HE IS!
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>>257705706
Oh God just stop it with this shit, I am so fucking tired of the whole

>SAKURAI IS CRAZY
>you can't predict Sakurai!
>he's the ruseman!
>nobody, not anybody can read Sakurai
>he's the master troll

Shut the fuck up, please.
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>>257705706
Only dumb people and people with unrealistic expectations get rused by Samurai.
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>>257704463
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>>257705558
...I use my hair to express myself.
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>>257690731
>those fucking button inputs on Viper's side
DSP tier playing right there.
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>>257705359
there were retards who thought Captain Falcon wouldn't return, even after the Smash direct

there are still people who think Ness, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Game & Watch, Wario and Falco aren't returning.
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>>257705946
The only characters not returning are Ivysaur, Squirtle, Lucas, and Snake.
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>>257705841
Face it faggot, Sakurai intentionally pulled our legs hard with that Mii Meta Knight mask.
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>>257705848
>tfw getting triple rused because I assumed Ike was going to stay and Lucina was going to replace Marth
>then Marth gets revealed and I assume Chrom is going to rep awakening
>then Ike is revealed and I'm dumbfounded
>then fucking MU trailer
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>>257704891
Agreed, Smash MK looks overly detailed when compared to his usual self
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>>257705841
Especially as all these epic rusematering XXXDD is put in a somewhat popular character, show off a trophy or just making the game how he wants
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>>257706045
Agreed. I see the final roster looking something similar to pic.

Except obviously with some characters getting turned into blank spots for not being revealed yet.
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>>257706045
Actually, even Lucas has a fair chance of returning.
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>>257706061
Whoa, yeah, he threw us off-guard so much, I was rused so hard I just couldn't believe it.

What a master troll huh?
Sakurai, everybody.
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>>257699607
>Clipping
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>>257706091
Why did you think Marth was getting cut.

Serious question, I'm not a big fire emblem fan but it's obvious he's the poster boy for the entire series.
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>>257706149
Not really, I can't see him coming back.
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>>257700109
>"Villains trailer"
If only:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbh1LNQxgkk
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>Pacman got in Smash Bros before Bomberman
>Bomberman is dead to Nintendo
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>>257706249
Why not.
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>>257706147
>galacta knight
>isaac
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>>257704448
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>>257704463
DK should be Bowser, like King Kong VS Godzilla

>Villager VS Toon Link
>Art style
But AC doesn't have a terrible artstyle
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>>257706147
They cannot balance this game with that many characters. I might just give up and still hope for another f-zero... Or just give up on nintendo completely.
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>>257706291
Bomberman is fucking dead in general man. Let it go.
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>>257706249
And I couldn't see Ike returning and I wouldn't though Sakurai would give a slot to Lucina.
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>>257699857
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>>257687574
We're in 2014 and they can't make perfectly spherical models? I mean, Kirby looks alright but you can see Meta Knight could use some more polys
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>>257706231
Because he's barely the poster boy for the entire series, the closest thing that FE has to a mascot is the Falchion, it's in every logo even if it's not ingame.

And I thought they were going to have Masked Lucina as "Marth", with the option for short or long hair, because it'd allow for representation of Lucina for those who played Awakening, and would also make people who didn't play awakening think that Marth hadn't been cut.
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Glorious '80s Metal Ganon when
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>>257705841
It's the same as people who want another TORtanic. They think if they spam something enough it will become true but those moments have to be organic
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>The day of my birth
>Wake up
>No texts
>No messages on facebook
>Nothing on skype
>Get on 4chan
>Meta Knight

Thank you Sakurai
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>>257706417
Sakurai couldn't balance a game with one character
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>>257704626
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>>257706452
Never
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>>257706091
It wasn't entirely expected, but most FE fans agreed that Marth, Ike and Robin were the best possible choices if you HAD to have an Awakening character.

The only unexpected thing there was Sakurai taking the logical route.
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AMY FAGS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>257706326
>Isaac cause I still hold false hope
>Galacta because I honestly couldn't think of another character who was likely and wanted to round it out. (sorry Bandanna Dee and Ridley fans)
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>>257706496
Happy Birthday, anon :)
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>>257706417
>They cannot balance this game with that many characters
Yeah you can. Most fighting games today have that many and are generally pretty well balanced
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>>257704779
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>>257706442
He's easily the most iconic Fire Emblem character, 90% of that having to do with Smash
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>>257706305
>Not relevant inb4 RELEVANCY DOESN'T MATTER IN SMASH, it does unless the character is a veteran or they're a retro rep, where that's the entire point
>Clone whose moves could be turned into customizations for Ness
>Japan disliked Mother 3
>Almost no one mained him in Brawl, I very rarely saw him being played at tournaments or online.

inb4
>But Lucina!
She is more of a clone than Lucas is and took less time to make.

>>257706426
Ike at least has a completely unique moveset and was in Fire Emblem Awakening kind of sort of, and his descendant was in it too.
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>>257705165
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>>257705665
Adventure Mode is already confirmed for 3DS
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>>257706626
Which is why it would make sense to give someone else a shot.
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>>257706147
>Galacta Knight
>not glorious Bandana Dee
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>>257706452
Ganon will use the twilight princess design again.

Shame we have to have the main Zelda characters in twilight princess design because it was the last Zelda to have a concept design for Sheik. (although I suppose if we didn't we'd have to use Skyward Sword designs and people would moan for years about Skyward Sword Zelda's nose)
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>>257706442
"Marth" looks nothing like Marth. They have different clothing.

Marth was in 4 FE games, not counting cameos. You're overstating Awakening's importance.
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>>257705525
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>>257706697
You mean single mode with branching paths?
Or am I missing something.
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>>257706758
Awakening is the most recent entry in the series which is more than enough to give a character relevance.
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>>257706452
Never, Nintendo wouldn't want to steal the hype from Hyrule Warriors anyway.
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>>257706593
Do you think Nintendo can balance it though?
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>>257694097

And roll over water
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>>257703112
>Lucina Vs Shulk
>not Shulk Vs Isaac
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>>257698215
That CP function would be cool though.
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>>257706758
>overstating Awakening's importance.
>only FE game to get two reps
>EVER
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>>257706697
>>257706826
That's Classic Mode
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>>257706851
No but it is possible to make a balanced game with that many fighters
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>>257706732
Sorry anon I just don't see him happening.

Not that I see Galacta Knight happening but I think he's more likely then Bandanna Dee (plus it would give the Kirby series a real villian (seeing as though Meta Knight is a friendly rival and Dedede is just...Dedede))
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>>257698914
People are retards, deal with it.
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>>257706593
How many fighting games have 4 player free-for-alls, 2v2s, and customizable movesets?
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>>257706945
Galacta Knight isn't a villain, he's just portrayed as "the strongest warrior in the universe".
A villain would be Marx or Magolor. Galacta Knight is just a neutral powerful guy.
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>>257706931
Yeah fair enough, still don't have high expectations for this one though, high hopes yeah but it still looks like Brawl 2.
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>>257706839
Just because a series has a new game doesn't mean that older characters stopped existing. If we were to replace characters left and right, we would be trivializing them, and turning them into commodities. Ike and Marth didn't stop being good characters all of a sudden (and Awakening's weren't particularly interesting either).
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>>257706945
Dude Galacta Knight would literally just be a clone of Meta Knight.

I'm not really pushing for the Dee since I don't think he's got a chance and Kirby is well represented as it is, but at least he's be something different.

Then again Fire Emblem's got four characters so who knows. Still think Galacta Knight is a lame choice
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I'm really happy with the way Meta Knight looks this time around. Those gauntlets are a nice touch. My most wanted newcomers are pretty much guaranteed to get BTFO so at this point I'm just hyped to see how the veterans look.
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This game doesn't convince me to buy a shitty kids console? Keep rehashing the same games over an over, and no third party support. Nintendo is doomed, enjoy your dead console in 2 years nintendyearolds
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>>257707047
How many smashfags refuse to play like that? Plus there are a fair few fighting games that allow 4 player modes as a side thing
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>>257706672
>it does unless the character is a veteran
And Lucas is a veteran.
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>>257699365
Let him go anon. Bandana dee is dead.
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>>257706672
>>257706672
>not relevant
Captain Falcon says hi

>clone whose moves can turn into moves for Ness
Toon Link and Lucina say hi

>Japan doesn't like Mother 3
Japan didn't know who Little Mac was, do you honestly think that matters?

>Nobody played him in tournaments
You could say the same thing for everyone

Lucas won't get cut
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>>257700837
This isn't PlayStation All-Stars.
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>>257707124
You say that like Mewtwo didn't get replaced by Lucario and Roy didn't get replaced with Ike.
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>>257707239
>PSASBR invented rival battles
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>>257707217
How?
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>>257705165
remember the thread that followed that pic and there was like 12 posts of "Metaknight fags BTFO!!!"

oh man that's gotta be embarrassing
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>>257707178
I know you're baiting, but the most common complaint about this game is that it's not a literal rehash of Melee.
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>>257706291

Act Zero killed it, sorry for your loss
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>>257707217
>literally no proof against him so far
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>>257706672
>Lucas isn't relevant
>Relevancy doesn't matter if they would be a veteran
>Lucas would be a veteran
???????

>Clone
in the absolute loosest sense of the term. He only shared his specials, his final smash, and his forward smash. Everything else was unique. He's certainly less of a clone than Toon Link.

>Japan disliked Mother 3
They also don't like Punch-Out, from what I've heard.

>Almost no one mained him in Brawl, I very rarely saw him being played at tournaments or online.
Literally who cares.
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>>257704448
Aww man, it's too bad Little Mac is never going to happen! Looks like Villager took his boxing gloves. And having two characters with boxing gloves would look too much alike.
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>>257701761
Can you really blame him? Meta-knight has to deal with Kirby, who manages to release the ancient evil of the week, and lazy King Dedede.

For fuck's sake, one of Super Star's stories had the plot of him trying to take over Dream Land, not because he was evil, but because he was tired of everyone sitting on their asses doing nothing all day.

Not to mention he releases the Universe's strongest warrior so he can fight him.
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>>257706147
>Not Shulk
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>>257707309
They weren't. They were both meant to be in Brawl but got cut during development.

And Ike barely has anything to do with Roy. Roy was shit and Like got in because he was a good character by himself.
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>>257706945
Bandana Dee has AT LEAST been a playas character. Galacta knight is just a boss, Bandana Dee would be more logical for those who played Return to Dreamland
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>>257706496
Happy birthday.
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>>257704508
What if no

It's not happening unless it's Snake

You'll take your Miiverse reveals for veterans and you'll like it
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>>257707547
>They weren't.
So they're in the final product then? Completely? Playable and everything?

Well golly gee, mister. You sure as fuck could've fooled me.
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>>257707452
That's completely different entirely. Villager isn't taking the gloves from someone and they are a different cvolor to Mac's. Kirby taking Meta Knights wings is a clear fucking deconfirmation.
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>>257706738
>Ganon will use the twilight princess design again.

>Implying they aren't remplacing Ganondorf with Demise
>>
I came here to remind you guys that:

1. Toon Link is back with little to no differences to the way he played in Brawl. He even has the same goddamn Final Smash.

2. Lucina is literally a Female Marth in her playstyle.

If those two are in Smash 4, I see no reason why Lucas would be cut if they're allowed to be in.

>B-But no one knows who he is outside of Japan!

No one knew who Marth was either, but look at how he's been in 3 Smash games in a row so far.

>B-But Lucas is a Ness clone!

The only thing they share is 3 Specials, and even then there's a difference between them. They have completely different Smash Attacks and aerial games.

Also, when has "x is a clone!" ever proven to be a good argument?
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>>257707205
>>257707443
No he's not. Veterans are characters who have returned from a previous installment of a SSB game, not ones who have appeared in a previous game before.

Mewtwo is not a veteran.
Roy is not a veteran.
Dr. Mario is not a veteran.

Lucas is not a veteran.

Lucario is a veteran.
Ike is a veteran.
Mario is a veteran.

Ness is a veteran.

>>257707229
>unless the character is a veteran
Reading sure is hard.
>Toon Link and Lucina say hi
Toon Link has other differences besides moveset to set him apart from Link, and he's relevant. Lucina's entire sword works differently and she's also relevant.
>Japan didn't know who Little Mac was, do you honestly think that matters?
They do, and I do think it matters especially considering Mother 3 was only released in Japan.
>You could say the same thing for everyone
Not really, almost everyone else I saw used online and in tournaments. Lucas was the one I saw the least, by far.

>Lucas won't get cut
You are in for a rude awakening.

>>257707443
>in the absolute loosest sense of the term.
This works against him. Unlike Lucina, who was made by interns in three days because she was so similar, Lucas would require more effort but he's not different enough to NOT be considered a clone either.

>They also don't like Punch-Out
Punch Out was released globally.

>who cares
Sakurai, because he said he doesn't want to cut many characters because people will be upset. Since no one played as Lucas, less people will be upset if he's cut.
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>>257707562
The only logical Kirby newcomers choices are: Bandana Dee (most relevant/recurring after the trio, unique moveset) and Magolor (popularity and relevance to the series, high moveset potential.)
That being said, there's a high chance we won't get a Kirby newcomer. Sakurai cares more about Kid Icarus than he does about Kirby nowadays.
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>>257707659
>implying they'll replace the most iconic villain in the series with one who's been in one game so far

You're talking about Smash without the Dorf, man. The DORF. That's crazy talk
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oh no!
mario has to breathe!
and so does pretty much any other character!
looks like anyone but mario is deconfirmed.
TOO
BAD!
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>>257701761
He has the same cute face as Kirby but his mask makes it look like he's frowning
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>>257707791
Care to explain how Lucas got into brawl then?
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>>257707405
No fuck you, konami just bought the franshise and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with it for years.
I am sure they will announce a new bomberman and goemon tonight instead of anotehr shitty james bond cashgrab.
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>>257707791
>fighting in one war doesn't make you a veteran
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>>257707723
>If those two are in Smash 4, I see no reason why Lucas would be cut if they're allowed to be in.
See >>257706672

>No one knew who Marth was either, but look at how he's been in 3 Smash games in a row so far.
Marth is the face of his series and has appeared in four Fire Emblem games excluding Awakening, more than any other lord. Lucas has appeared in one and is not the face of his series; that would be Ness.


>The only thing they share is 3 Specials, and even then there's a difference between them. They have completely different Smash Attacks and aerial games.
Exactly. The whole reason Sakurai had so many clones in Melee and implemented Lucina is because they took no time to do at all and they didn't really take a slot from anyone. Lucas would take more effort than a regular clone would but isn't fully unique either, making him not unlikely to be cut.

>Also, when has "x is a clone!" ever proven to be a good argument?
Many times, actually. Roy, Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, Snake, etc.

Face it, he's not coming back.

>>257707990
He was relevant. Mother 3 came out.
>But Brawl was two years after Mother 3!
You forget that it was supposed to launch in 2007 according to the original schedule, making it only one year later when he was thought up of.

He's not relevant anymore.

>>257708065
>Applying real world terminology to a term that means something different in the context of SSB
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>>257707643
>colour determines everything in this game
>hurr durr sonic cant be in because he is blue and megaman is blue too! ike cant be back because marth is confirmed and they would both have blue hair, same with lucina!
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>>257707791
>Lucas
>getting cut when Sakurai planned him since fucking Melee to replace Ness
>same with the idiots wanting to cut Wolf

Stop.
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>>257708236
>a term that means something different in the context of SSB
What you mean is that to you it means something different.
Lucas has fought in one game, thus making him a veteran of the series. That is what the word means.
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>>257707791
>Toon Link has other differences besides moveset

>his height
>some floatiness

Man, sure is NOT A CLONE in here.
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>>257707723
>No one knew who Marth was either, but look at how he's been in 3 Smash games in a row so far.

Except people care about Marth and Fire Emblem.
>b-b-b-b-b--b-bb-b-b-u-b-u-bububyuy-buy-ubyuyybuyb-yuy-butubtubtutbutbtutbutbtutbu mmmèmèmèmèmèm-mm--m-m-m-muh starmen!

Lol.
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>>257696727
Actually, he could be right.

>>257699279
If that's the reason, why there's 8 character-none in the source code?
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>>257708510
Mewtwo has fought in one game, making him a veteran of the series. Surely he won't be cut :^)
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>>257707791
>No he's not. Veterans are characters who have returned from a previous installment of a SSB game, not ones who have appeared in a previous game before.

how were shiek and pokemon trainer relevant then

shiek had one appearance and hadn't appeared for 3 main zelda games across 3 consoles, and the gen 1 remakes were already 4 years old with 4th gen having been out for a year
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>>257708443
>getting cut when Sakurai planned him since fucking Melee to replace Ness
Sakurai only wanted that because Mother 3 was supposed to come out over a decade ago and Lucas WOULD HAVE BEEN RELEVANT. He was only added because of it, and now that he's not relevant Sakurai has no reason to put him in again. Ness was kept because he was a veteran/one of the original twelve.

There's almost nothing going to support Lucas' return.

He doesn't have a fully unique moveset, yet he isn't 100% a clone.
He is not relevant.
He is not yet a veteran, making him less certain.
Few people played as him in Brawl.
Mother 3 only released in one country, and the people there didn't especially like it.

>>257708510
No, not to me. Veteran in the context of the SSB series means a character who has returned from a previous installment. Even Sakurai thinks this way, you'll never hear him refer to Roy, Mewtwo, or Dr. Mario as veterans.

>>257708535
I'm not saying he isn't a clone, I'm just saying there are things to set him apart that aren't strictly related to moveset. Lucas doesn't really have much of that, he and Ness are the same height.
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>>257706442
Most of Awakening's marketing focused on the fact that "Marth" was going to be playable in a new game.
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>people legitimately arguing about Lucas getting in or not
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>>257708734
45 characters... Would be lame to me.
But oh well, I don't care as long as we got Shulk.
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>>257700837
Megaman VS Sonic
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>>257708734
>Ness
>Lucas
>Snake
>Wario
>Ice Climbers
>Ivysaur
>Squirtle
>Newcomer

HOLY
SHIT
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>>257708879
>you'll never hear him refer to Roy, Mewtwo, or Dr. Mario as veterans.
That's because you'll never hear him referto them at all, not because of your made up rule.
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>>257706851
Nintendo isn't balancing it, Namco is.
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We already knew he'd be in. He was spoiled back before the game was even made.
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>>257708861
>how were shiek and pokemon trainer relevant then
Shiek was included to flesh out Zelda in Melee, and OOT was her last real appearance at the time it was released.

The gen I remakes were a little older than normal, but they hadn't gotten representation yet and the gen I starters were pretty popular. Also, it's fucking Pokemon. That's not even close to the same situation as Lucas and you know it.

>>257708973
Shulk is 100% guaranteed, this has nothing to do with Gematsu but I'm basing this on cetain comments his VA made and how Monolith Soft is the only first party of Nintendo to NOT have a rep in SSB yet, and also Xenoblade's success.
King K. Rool seems likely what with the Kremlings in and all.
We're getting a Rhythm Heaven rep, though it may or may not be Chorus Kid.

Other additions I wouldn't rule out are Bandanna Dee, to keep with the theme of Sakurai adding reps to IPs that are already adequately represented, Isaac, as he hasn't been deconfirmed yet and got a new game after Brawl, a token retro rep like Mach Rider, and I don't know who else.
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>>257709059
>Snake
>Ivysaur
>Squirtle
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>>257708879
>now that he's not relevant Sakurai has no reason to put him in again
Kinda like Sheik.
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>>257709059
>Ivysaur
>Squirtle
>Snake
Jigglypuff is more likely than those
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>>257709059
>Implying the devs would be dumb enough to revelate the numbers of fighters with a thing so dumb
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>>257708879
>Lucas doesn't really have much of that, he and Ness are the same height.

And why do you think that appearance and weight is more significant than an almost completely different moveset and playstyle in terms of being a clone? It should be obvious that a significantly different moveset is more important in differentiating between two characters in Smash.
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>>257700837

Greninja vs Shiek (ninja duel)
Mii Fighters vs ROB (weird nintendo duel)
Lucina vs Metaknight (honorable swordfight)
Yoshi vs Diddy Kong (sillly Mario Kart thing?)
Ike vs Capt.Falcon (Revenge for knocking Chrom off of the roster)
Jigglypuff vs Kirby (Pink puff balls)
Robin vs Zelda (Magic duel)
Pac-Man vs Game and Watch (1981)
Megaman vs Samus (Blaster duel)
Little Mac vs DK (Punch Out)
Ice Climbers vs Olimar (team fight)
Rosalina vs Palutena (goddesses)
ZSS vs Peach (2 Different types of chick)
Villager vs Yoshi (Villager wants to collect Yoshi eggs)
Charizard vs Toon Link (Slay the dragon)
Marth vs Fox (Past vs Futuristic)
Falco vs idk

this was a good idea, but it wouldn't work unless everyone was unlocked from the start like in Street Fighter
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>>257688684
we're so close
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>>257709165
what the fuck is that to the right of donkey kong left of mario and below the heart?
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>>257709258
>>257709318
>>257709327
>wanting characters cut
Why are Rosterfaggots worse than Hitler?
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>>257708734
Source code can be changed though.
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>>257705706
If you legitimately thought Monday's update was a deconfirmation then literally anyone is capable of rusing you
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>>257709165
>ZSS using an actually decent design
This image has no correlation to the game at all.

>>257709367
>Ridley's tail
>deconfirmed
Are you an idiot?
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>>257709369
mr saturn confirmed
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>>257709256
>Shiek was included to flesh out Zelda in Melee, and OOT was her last real appearance at the time it was released.

>Zelda is relevant
>Shiek is not
>It would take far less effort to just give Zelda a down special related to TP than bring back Shiek

CUT
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>>257709367
>banjo
That's just cruel, anonymous.
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>>257706496
Happy Birthday, anon. Have a nice day
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>>257709372
I don't want anyone cut, but those characters have a high chance of not making it.
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>>257709276
And Pac-Man, and Falcon (sadly).
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>>257709367
This may come as a shock for you but Bandanna Dee and Waddle Dees can coexist.
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Re-watching the Lucina trailer i'm worried that the game is going to attract animefaggots.

>why are there so many blue characters with swords now?
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>>257709108
No, he mentioned Mewtwo at E3 2013 when someone asked about him, he didn't refer to them as veterans, because your definition as it applies to SSB is erroneous.

>>257709059
>Lucas
>Snake
>Ivysaur
>Squirtle
>Returning
Nah. Wario and the Ice Climbers are guaranteed though.

>>257709276
Except she was part of Zelda and came with her, and she's a veteran so she's not getting cut.

Lucas isn't.

>>257709335
Because they could just make Lucas' moves custom ones for Ness, which is what they'll wind up doing. Were there other differences it would be harder to.

>>257709372
Not them, but I don't WANT characters cut. I just recognize it's inevitable.

>>257709486
Sakurai doesn't cut veterans.
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>>257707425
>no proof against

That's not how that works at all.
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>>257700837
>>257709361
They won't do this because it would take too much effort and would force them to give actual personalities to the characters.
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>>257709435
>what is a tease

No one capable of thinking thought it was an outright deconfirmation, but it sure as hell made everyone speculate what the hell Sakurai was up to.
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>>257709578
>nd she's a veteran so she's not getting cut.
Veterans have been cut before.
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>>257708734
for those that are gullible enough to believe this, this isn't even what the page source looks like. Go look for yourself.
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>>257709634
Much like all the different faces they added for each character?
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>tfw Sandbag will never be a playable character that represents the Smash franchise
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>>257709785
Captain Falcon is the Smash Bros rep.
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>>257709578
>Because they could just make Lucas' moves custom ones for Ness, which is what they'll wind up doing. Were there other differences it would be harder to.

There's no custom A moves, only custom specials. They'd essentially be throwing away 85% of a character if they turned Lucas' specials into Customs for Ness.

>Sakurai doesn't cut veterans.
We're talking about Brawl here, pally. Going by your definition, Shiek wasn't a vet from Melee to Brawl.
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>>257700159
I'm pretty sure the miiverse post confirmed a new up-b
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I cant wait to own scrubs online
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>>257709625
Then how does it work.
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>>257709659
Nope, that's wrong.
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>>257710007
>Pichu, Roy, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario
>not cut
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>>257710043
They aren't veterans, faggot.

They didn't star in two or more Smash games.
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>>257706147
>implying Isaac would get in over Shulk
>implying a dead series would get a rep over Nintendo's hottest new IP
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>>257710043
>Pichu, Roy, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario
>Veterans
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>>257710207
That's not what the word means.
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>>257710043
Those aren't veterans. Veterans are characters that returned from a previous installment.

>>257709843
>They'd essentially be throwing away 85% of a character if they turned Lucas' specials into Customs for Ness.
They'd be throwing away only notably his up+A and down+A. 95% of everything else would be intact.

>>257709843
>Going by your definition, Shiek wasn't a vet from Melee to Brawl.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Zelda's obviously not getting cut, and when she returned in Brawl she was a veteran.
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>>257709563
nope, he's deconfirmed

just like ROB was deconfirmed in Brawl
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>>257710290
Were they or were they not in a previous Smash Bros game?

>>257710328
So a soldier isn't a veteran until he returns in a later war?
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>>257710291
>>257710374
As far as SSB is concerned, yes it does. You're applying literal definitions. By that logic, Mega Evolutions don't actually count as evolutions because they regress and it's not gradual and happens as soon as certain Pokemon characters get a Smash Ball.
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>>257710291
Too bad that this word means differently in Smash.
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>>257710494
Where is the Smash Bros Terminology Dictionary that defines "veteran" as "a playable character of two installments"?
Because if there's a whole dictionary about Smash Bros I'd very much like to read it.
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>>257709680
How so? I just screencapped it. To see that, click on any character and show the source code.
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>>257710328
>They'd be throwing away only notably his up+A and down+A. 95% of everything else would be intact.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Other than the specials, forward smash, and final smash, EVERYTHING on Lucas was unique, from tilts to aerials.

>That's not what I'm saying at all.
No, it absolutely is what you're saying. From the period between Melee's release and her announcement in Brawl, neither Zelda nor Shiek were veterans. Shiek simply wasn't relevant anymore, so she should have been cut.
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>>257706212
there you go then... can't wait to see the battle damage for some characters
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Any day now. Come on, you beautiful bastard, just show us your glorious HD self.
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>>257709634

No they wouldn't do that because of the reason I stated at the end of my post
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>>257710595
>Where is the Smash Bros Terminology Dictionary that defines "veteran" as "a playable character of two installments"?
Where is the Smash Bros Terminology Dictionary that defines "Mega Evolution" as "a certain Pokemon that gets a Smash Ball and becomes powered up for a short time"?

SSB never defined it, but it's obvious if you use your eyes and you see what Sakurai's said. Sakurai has NEVER, EVER called a character in a previous installment that HASN'T returned a veteran because just as the definition for evolution is different in Pokemon/SSB, the definition for veteran is too.

>>257710786
>Other than the specials, forward smash, and final smash, EVERYTHING on Lucas was unique, from tilts to aerials.
No, his B-moves save PK Freeze were the same as Ness' with slight variations, which would work fine as customizations. His A moves are different, but other than his up and down A they're pretty minor and won't be missed a lot.

>From the period between Melee's release and her announcement in Brawl, neither Zelda nor Shiek were veterans.
Yeah, but when Zelda returned Shiek did too because that was a big part of her moveset. Come Kerfuffle they weren't going to cut any veterans, so they just made them different characters.
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>>257711110
What does Mega Evolution have to do with this discussion? We're talking about Smash Bros terminology, not Pokemon terminology.
>SSB never defined it
You know your post should have ended with this admission.
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>>257711256
>What does Mega Evolution have to do with this discussion?
SSB has never defined evolution. Talking strictly about SSB, it's the same thing.
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>>257711389
No Pokemon in SSB ever evolved in-game. It's not a mechanic or even presence in Smash Bros.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
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>>257711110
>His A moves are different, but other than his up and down A they're pretty minor and won't be missed a lot.

>completely different
>pretty minor

>Yeah, but when Zelda returned Shiek did too because that was a big part of her moveset. Come Kerfuffle they weren't going to cut any veterans, so they just made them different characters.

>Shiek is a large part of Zelda's moveset, we can't possible cut her.
>Smash 4 separates them

You aren't dancing around these points quite as eloquently as you were before.
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CRYPTIC LEAK BTFO
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>>257710856
The "scars" are still in place here, open your eyes maybe ?
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>>257706496
>facebook
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>>257693395
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>>257711532
>No Pokemon in SSB ever evolved in-game.
They've mega evolved. Still hasn't been officially defined in the context of SSB.


>Shiek is a large part of Zelda's moveset, we can't possible cut her.
What I meant to say is they're not going to cut Shiek and Zelda since they're both veterans.

And Lucas' other A moves I can't even remember besides this up and down. In the air he wasn't extremely different from Ness.
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>>257711675
but not in the marth ike and metaknight pic is what i'm pointing out to you
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wow yet another sword user
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>>257711932
>What I meant to say is they're not going to cut Shiek and Zelda since they're both veterans.
But Shiek wasn't a vet in melee, they should have cut her from Brawl.

>In the air he wasn't extremely different from Ness.
THEY WERE LITERALLY
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
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>>257711932
>Still hasn't been officially defined in the context of SSB.
Every word needs a special Smash Bros version now?
Frankly, what you're saying just strengthens my argument.

If Mega Evolution isn't stated to be a different thing in Smash Bros then it's assumed to have the same meaning, and it does.
If veteran isn't stated to be a different thing in Smash Bros then it's assumed to have the same meaning, and it does.
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>>257704702
Is this N's Tower?
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>>257711672
As if it had a chance
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>>257706147
Changed this in regards to what someone said about Galacta Knight and remembering what Sakurai said about Lucina and characters like her getting their own slot.
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>>257711932
I'll never understand people who call Lucas a clone.
All of his moves are different. His B moves behave completely differently and the rest of his moveset is completely unique.

The only non-clone that has ever been removed was Mewtwo, and that's because Gamefreak call the shots when it comes to Pokemon reps.
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>>257705946
>still thinking we're getting any good alternate costumes.
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>>257712174
No, it's Kalos Pokemon League.
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>>257699017
He lost the glide though
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>>257699884
KSS/KSSU. He didn't have wings in Nightmare in Dreamland.
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>>257698331
To be fair, it was the best recovery move in the game.
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>>257712264
Nah I made these ages ago, just like to dump them on occasion.

Although I actually do hold hope for pic related or at the very least red suit and green hair swaps.
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>>257712121
>But Shiek wasn't a vet in melee, they should have cut her from Brawl.
No. There was no reason to cut her. They're obviously not going to cut Zelda, and Sheik was a part of Zelda's moveset. Sheik had a completely unique moveset tacked on to Zelda and people played as her, so there was no reason to get rid of her. She came with Zelda so the relevancy thing wasn't entirely an issue.

>THEY WERE LITERALLY
>COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
They were pretty similar to me. Then again I haven't played Brawl in months.
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>>257711932
Their air moves separated them more than any other.
Lucas had the repetitive stomps, the back flip meteor smash, the forward kick, and the flip zap.
Ness has a single stomp meteor smash, back-drop-kick, Pushy powers, and headbutt.
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>>257711932
>In the air he wasn't extremely different from Ness.
Oh my, someone needs to play brawl again
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>>257698393
I know its going to surprise one of my friends, since "no one plays him competitively anymore" which to i responded thats a stupid reason, and Sakurai doesn't really care about the competitive scene.

And them I get a look like i''m the one with stupid theories.
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>>257712401
>They were pretty similar to me
So did you ever actually play as Lucas or Ness? Because it sounds like you didn't.
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>>257687574
I need this in wallpaper resolution.
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>>257712126
>If veteran isn't stated to be a different thing in Smash Bros then it's assumed to have the same meaning, and it does.
It's not stated, but Sakurai doesn't refer to veteran to have the same meaning. LIke I said, he didn't refer to the characters who didn't return from Melee as veterans, and don't give me that
>He didn't refer to them period!
crap because he did, at E3 2013 with Mewtwo just off the top of my head. He never once used the word veteran to refer to him.

>>257712249
>All of his moves are different. His B moves behave completely differently and the rest of his moveset is completely unique.
Not true. His B moves are all variations of Ness', but still the same move with the exception of PK Freeze and even that's got some similarities to PK Flash. These variations would work fine as custom moves.

His A moves in the air are apparently not the same, as are his up and down, but his side A is. Sakurai could work him into custom moves for Ness.

And Mewtwo is a clone.

>>257712330
True but now he hits twice instead, which is still a buff.

>>257712598
I mained Lucas. I didn't play as Ness much in Brawl.
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>>257707791
Holy fuck you're retarded
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>>257712664
>mfw this is almost exactly the Vita's resolution and it's going to be my new wallpaper on it
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>>257712717
>I mained Lucas
And yet you want him cut so badly.
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>>257712784
>I can't refute any of his points, so I'll insult him
Really man? Feel free to disagree but at least provide reasoning.
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>>257712401
>There was no reason to cut her.
But relevancy is a HUGE factor, apparently. Shiek simply wasn't relevant during Brawl.

>She came with Zelda so the relevancy thing wasn't entirely an issue.
No, it totally is an issue. Shiek was SO non-relevant they had to give her an original design to make her fit in with TP's artstyle. It would have been far easier to simply give Zelda a TP related down special than bring Shiek back over.

So, obviously, relevancy is out the window. Stop pushing this garbage.

>They were pretty similar to me.
They play and feel completely different. I have a pretty good feeling that you're lying, considering that if you had played them AT ALL you would have felt it immediately.
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>>257712717
He mentioned Mewtwo once, and he didn't even say his name.

>>257712815
Wait... what? How are you going to put picture of Nintendo characters onto your Vita?
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>>257712717
Their only similar moves are the specials and side smash. That's 4. And all of Lucas' PK powers are a lot different. So just BARELY 4.
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>>257712717
>His A moves in the air are apparently not the same
>I mained Lucas
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>>257689637
Is the blue sphere his body/skin, or is that part of his armor?
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>>257713486
It's his body
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>>257708734
>>257696727

So if we were to assume that veterans can get in we would have the following.

From Original
>Ness
>Jigglypuff

From Melee
>Game and Watch (Might've been confirmed already)
>Ice Climbers
>Falco
>Gannondorf
>Roy (Cut)
>Pichu(Cut)
>Dr.Mario(Cut. Possible for alt.)

From Brawl (May not get in)
>Wario (Might've been confirmed already)
>Lucas (Maybe used as an Alt)
>R.O.B
>Pokemon Trainer (Confirmed to be dead on arrival)
>Wolf (Probably won't get in, but what do I know)

It's a given that Ness and Jiggly are. Ice Climbers, Gannondorf, Falco, and Game and Watch will get in as well since they were in Melee and got into Brawl. Wario might've already been confirmed but I'm going to wait until more info comes up.

So, if we assumed that veterans would get in, we would have the following:
>Jigglypuff
>Ness
>Gannandorf
>Ice Climbers
>Game and Watch
>Falco

That would leave with two spots left, unless Wario gets announced. Who would the last person be?
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>>257700214
>calling a Canvas Curse sequel weak

Get bent.
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>>257712851
>And yet you want him cut so badly.
Where did I say I wanted him cut?

>>257712928
Relevancy isn't the only thing that matters and I never said it was. And there were designs for a TP Sheik that were never used in TP itself, so all Sakurai had to do was go by those for Brawl.

>They play and feel completely different.
In the air, on the ground they're similar.

>>257712935
>He mentioned Mewtwo once, and he didn't even say his name.
They were talking about him.

>Wait... what? How are you going to put picture of Nintendo characters onto your Vita?
Why not?

>>257712949
>And all of Lucas' PK powers are a lot different.
You think this means they can't work as customizations why again? The custom moves are variations on existing moves and giving Lucas' B moves to Ness would be perfect, in line with what we've seen already. Ness' PK Fire customization can work like Lucas', being horizontal all the time. His PK Thunder can become multi-hitting. His PSI Magnet can do damage and be held in front of him. It would work perfectly, save the A moves which aren't custom to begin with. We've lost characters entirely, like Snake and Mewtwo, so I'm sure this wouldn't be a huge loss.

>>257713110
I already said I hadn't played Brawl in a while and I didn't play Ness much. Sorry.
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>>257713547
So he's basically a blue kirby with wings?
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>>257713641
Yes.
Also he's got thumbs.
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>>257713636
If that joke seriously flew over your head I feel sorry for you.
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>>257713760
I just never really realized you could see his body this whole time and it wasn't armor
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>>257709361
In the original SF4 release, they had this rival thing, AND unlockable characters.
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>>257713636
>Relevancy isn't the only thing that matters and I never said it was.

>Relevancy
Shiek.
>Clone
Toon Link.
>Japan didn't like it
He wouldn't have shown up in the first place if this mattered.
>People apparently didn't play Lucas much
I don't think you have a single fact to back that up.

None of these can be argued.

Lucas isn't getting cut.
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>>257706341
>>257706434
>all dat butthurt
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>another fucking sword user
God dammit.
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>>257714060
>Shiek.
She came back because she was a part of Zelda's moveset and she had a unique moveset. Were she on her own from the outset and were she a Zelda clone, she wouldn't have come back.

>Toon Link.
He is also relevant. Just because relevancy isn't the ONLY thing that matters doesn't mean it doesn't matter period.
>He wouldn't have shown up in the first place if this mattered.
They don't actively hate him.
>I don't think you have a single fact to back that up.
Except I do. I rarely saw anyone play Lucas in any online matches or tournaments other than myself.

Lucas is getting cut.
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I have a relative (I think she is a second cousin) n who works in nintendo and when I asked her to name one newcomer after she got wasted she told me she couldn't tell me directly and instead said 'blue backpack' and winked.


She passed out an hour later, lightweight faggot
lel

>no didn't fuck her, shes butterface
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>>257714583
She was just trolling you, there's no way Banjo would be confirmed.
;_;
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>>257690603
Who doesn't anon, who doesn't.
Hell, he even had it in the E3 trailer for brawl.
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>>257714676
I thought that but she tends to be the innocent type from what i get from her. Doubt she'd lie even for a joke.

That's why i never asked her before she had a few
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>>257712365
Yes he did, when he flapped them to fly, and when touched a warp star. But that is SSU.
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>>257714307
>She came back because she was a part of Zelda's moveset
She could have been split very easily, considering Smash 4. This simply isn't arguable.

>she had a unique moveset
Lucas is pretty damn unique. Even if you take into account that Lucas shares his specials, they function differently enough to make a big impact.

>They don't actively hate him.
That's some pretty incredible backpedaling.

>I rarely saw
By 'fact' I mean 'something that isn't conjecture'.
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Veterans at this point are characters from the previous installment, so every brawl character who waste a newcomer in brawl have that status now too. Lucas is veteran.

And he will not get cut, Lucas is now widely recognized thanks to Mother 3, Mother 3 is so popular even Nintendo mentioned it in the E3 direct, even if it was only has a joke, the game is popular worldwide now, not only in Japan.
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>>257713570
>Lucas (Maybe used as an Alt)
LUCINA TOONLINK
FUCK YOU
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>>257709578
Oh fuck off, If lucina and toon link are in there's no reasson to cut him
>b-but he's from a Jap only game
So is prince of sable but he got in as an AT
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>>257689918
SNAKE
WHEN
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Seriously though, Lucas definitely wont be cut.
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>>257711932
Play brawl again fucker
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>>257714963
>She could have been split very easily, considering Smash 4. This simply isn't arguable.
They'd never considered splitting until Kerfuffle.
>Even if you take into account that Lucas shares his specials, they function differently enough to make a big impact.
In regards to A moves, but for B moves they could just be custom.
>By 'fact' I mean 'something that isn't conjecture'.
There's no concrete evidence, but if you went to tournaments or played online you'd see what I meant.

>>257715167
>Oh fuck off, If lucina and toon link are in there's no reasson to cut him
Except he's a semi-clone and not relevant.
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>>257715436
>not relevant
Explain why prince sable from the beg who trolls is in as an AT
Explain why there's an Starfox assualt and paper mario TTYD stage
And hey faggot, When sakurai addded wario and saw he wasn't popular agaisn't people he didnd't care
You fucking want lucas cut, and you say you "main" him but you don't even know his moves
Not to mention Lucina and toon link are in, wich trashes your "import his moves to ness" argument
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>>257709367
>Midna only as an assist
that really sucked for me. I wanted to beat the shit outta people while riding a wolf looking kawaii.
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>>257704463
>Bowser vs Donkey Kong
Big Guys.
No Ridley
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>>257715916
buy hyrule warriors then
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>>257715632
>Thinking stages are the same as playable characters

>And hey faggot, When sakurai addded wario and saw he wasn't popular agaisn't people he didnd't care
You what? Wario was extremely relevant, he has literally two entire series about him and one was still getting installments.

>You fucking want lucas cut, and you say you "main" him but you don't even know his moves
Rather, I'm not as familiar with Ness' in Brawl's because I didn't play as him.
I don't want Lucas cut, I just realize it's gonna happen.

>Not to mention Lucina and toon link are in, wich trashes your "import his moves to ness" argument
No it doesn't. Both of those are relevant and Toon Link has differences other than just moveset.
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>>257700837
Little Mac vs Captain Falcon
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>>257715436
>In regards to A moves, but for B moves they could just be custom.
That's way more than Toon Link has going for him.

>Except he's a semi-clone and not relevant.
And I don't know why everyone in this thread has been giving you the time of day for as long as they have.
You aren't Sakurai. Your notion of who is relevant and who is not has no bearing on anything. Your notion of how unique a character has to be to make it into multiple games has no bearing on anything.
Sakurai is wholly unpredictable, just because you can find a pattern doesn't mean Sakurai is intentionally following it.


Lucas might be cut, Lucas might not be cut. There's absolutely no way to be certain until the game comes out. Knock off your 'muh patterns' shite.
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What if in the new smash, they somehow were able to find animal crossing new leaf saved data and they'd take your character and you could play as him in smash. Also, after playing smash you could get like a smash logo to put in your room in animal crossing
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>>257716060
>You what? Wario was extremely relevant, he has literally two entire series about him and one was still getting installments.
He still said that he wasn't popular amogst people like pit was, and sheik hasn't made an appearence before, because the roster was made in 2012.
>but she's fan favorite
That doesn't apply relevance faggot
>I don't want Lucas cut, I just realize it's gonna happen.
You fucking want him cut, you trash every single fact in his favor for non-existant "muh relevancy" shit
>Thinking stages are the same as playable characters
They are, you keep bringing that relevance and popularity are a factor that determinates if a character it's cut or not, wich it isn't. There's stages of games older than mother 3 and you ignored what I said about sable, dead Long IP from japan wich still gets an AT among other characters, if that can happen with an assist why not a playable.
>No it doesn't. Both of those are relevant and Toon Link has differences other than just moveset.
Yes it is faggot, what alt B moves will difference her from marth? She has the same fuckign B moves. And her Awekening came two years ago
>Muh toon link
Oh what height and speed? Big fucking difference faggot, Lucas is still faster than ness and more unique on move ratio
Not to mention they have fucking bamco the help them in the game
You simply want lucas cut, you don't like the cahracter because you only used him for Comp gameplay
You can simple go fuck yourself you hypocrite asshole
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>>257716713
>You fucking want him cut
No I don't, I just don't want to get my hopes up.
>if that can happen with an assist why not a playable.
Because an unplayable nod is different from a full fledged playable character.
>And her Awekening came two years ago
And was a smash hit, is still selling, and is certainly more relevant than the eight year old Mother 3.
>You simply want lucas cut, you don't like the cahracter because you only used him for Comp gameplay
No I played as him all the time.
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>>257713760
Also he got arms
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>Mii fighter with Meta Knight Mask in picture
>Meta-Knight confirmed within the week.

>Ashley and Waluigi become assist trophies ages ago
>Still no Wario

The fuck guys.
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>Raiden cuts into battle
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I did say this day's POTD would be rage-inducing right?
Sakurai, my congrats on what you did.
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>>257717281
What if Wario is revealed in the coming days, especially Friday?

>>257717332
I'm starting to think you're legit, LeakerBro~
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>>257717332
>rage-inducing

but that's wrong
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>>257704702
That axew has seen some shit
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>>257717049
>No I don't, I just don't want to get my hopes up.
You dish every possible argument
>Because an unplayable nod is different from a full fledged playable character.
IT isn't because lucas already stared in brawl wich was two years after mother 3 and he wouldn't be if sakurai cared what the nips thinked about the game. If he isn't irrelevant enought to make a comeback why Prince sable is suddenly relevant enought to appear in smash as assit trophy?
>And was a smash hit, is still selling, and is certainly more relevant than the eight year old Mother 3.
FE:A barely sold at the beggenign and was helped with the 30 dollar deal with SMT4, and nintendo still aknowleges mother 3, see the e3. Not to mention a lot of people barely knew who was her and robin in their presentation and they only knew about chrom in
>No I played as him all the time.
And you clearly you don't know his moves
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>>257717464
Fuck off faggot, you predicted takamaru would be a playable character and he's an AT, not to mention this isn't rage-inducing
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>>257717332
What's rage inducing about this? It's wonderful.
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>>257717281

Just wait for it, he'll be back soon. I never had any doubt of him not making it in, I just want to see his HD self.
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>>257717496
>>257717598
>>257717604
It's rage-inducing because now Smash 4 has that one guy everyone bans in tournaments.
Also, Takamaru might have been a character in early development, but was demoted to AT.
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>>257717332
Anyone could've predicted that someone would be revealed today. It's one month to the release.
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>>257717748
>that one guy everyone bans in tournaments.
It's a new game, for all we know he could be the worst in this one.
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>>257713641
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>>257717748
>Also, Takamaru might have been a character in early development, but was demoted to AT.
Are you retarded?
He said all this bullshit before e3
He also mentioned that mike jones will be revealed at e3 but then he said Ganondorf, lucas and palutena would be revealed
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>>257717750
Not with that kind of precision, bro.
It could have been any day in this week, for starters.

>>257717819
eh...

>>257717886
Again I repeat, what if that was to be the schedule but then Samurai changed his plans?
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>>257714923
Oh, I was thinking as a boss. I forgot that the original Meta Knightmare was a thing.
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Why is every Smash thread the worst Smash thread?
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>>257707452

I was just thinking that Balloon Fighter could still be some sort of villager clone
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>>257717968
Why the fuck would they waste, resources and their budget to make a playable character then demote him to AT because a leak that isn't even popular as the gematsu one in any level
He doesn't even had the original trip and said K.rool would be revealed in robin's day
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>>257717968
>Again I repeat, what if that was to be the schedule but then Samurai changed his plans?
The better question is why is anyone even bothering to respond to you.
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>>257706496
Have a great birthday, man. Enjoy yourself!
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>>257718107
It's not a waste of resources if they re-purposed the money to go somewhere.
(Seeing as Takamaru could be limited in his moves.)

>>257718140
Because I present convincing arguments.
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