>>257634316 Yeah seriously, where the fuck is it? It comes out today right? I heard it came with some separate pamphlet thing for those who subscribe to the magazine. It's probably nothing new anyway...
>>257634272 If you can read Japanese, then there is no reason not to. It means >Get most Japanese-made games early >No censorship for Japanese games >No localization for Japanese games >Get Japanese games as the developer originally intended them And considering the majority of good 3DS games are Japanese, this is a big plus.
>>257634825 >But with the moon language all over the place I'm worried.
I just use my English 3DS and guide myself through menus with it. They're laid out exactly the same. Mind you that you won't be able to download demos without a NNID, but you can still purchase full games.
Does anyone even know anything about Ridley hardly? Or is everyone just bandwagon jumpers on the confirmation/deconfirmation hype train? It's evident by quintessential posters like this the most >>257635756
>>257634878 >Secret characters don't exist Don't be stupid. Most of the veterans that haven't been revealed yet will be unlockable. It's also possible that there's unlokcable newcomers that we won't know about till after launch like ROB, Wolf, and Toon Link for Brawl. Wario, Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, ROB, Meta Knight, Falco, Jigglypuff, Ness, and G&W are all definitely coming back. Wolf and Lucas are in a bit of danger but could easily return. Don't be a paranoid idiot.
>>257636112 I don't know why everybody wants Mach Rider. In my opinion Excitebike Racer would be the superior choice, the Excite games are a blast and an Excitebot/Excitetruck final smash would be amazing
>>257636698 >Most Ridley supporters know about Ridley. It's the people that don't want him in that say he doesn't have a personality or is just a big dragon and such. Or >"He'll just pwlay like Chwarizwad anyways!"
>>257638413 >Oshawott (but not the other two) Snivy is in. Tepig isn't, and yeah, that sucks. They also included Eeevee, only for him to tackle and not evolve, Palkia doing the same thing that Skull Kid does, and Fletchling instead of Talonflame. He definitely could have done better with the Pokemon items.
But I have Greninja, so I can't complain very much.
>>257638595 There's no way the Inkling is in. Maybe if Splatoon stays relevant for years, then it'll happen in the next one.
Wonder Red still hurts. He would have been so perfect. Who cares if he can't normally do stuff without the other wonderful ones, this is Smash, you don't have to be 100% accurate to the game they come from.
>>257639140 >Fletchling instead of Talonflame This is good though. Fletchling just hops around and pecks people which is both hilarious and awesome. >Muh Smogonbird >Muh Flare Blitz/Brave Bird Talonflame is lame.
>>257639997 No idea, but I'm a big fan of old Namco stuff so I just naturally have a lot of hype for him. Mega Man looks great, though I still haven't seen any evidence whether his forward smash can be reflected by opponents. I'm worried that may be an issue for MM mains.
>>257639867 >Wario and Meta Knight I know a lot of people consider it delusional, but I really do think a villains trailer is a strong possibility >Ganondorf He's always been unlockable. why is that weird? Plus, he could be revealed for Hyrule Warriors or the possible villains trailer >Earthbound character Ness is going to be unlockable again. Lucas is likely cut.
>>257641687 Yeah, the guy who had him in the invitational pissed me off so much. He's a genuinely fun character, but a little more techy than people show. He's also really strong in the air, and most of his attacks have multiple uses. (IE Wood Shield is a barrier and projectile)
>>257641265 >implying /vp/ doesn't like Smogon You do know that the most hated person there is Verlisify (and the Goodra shitposter), right? A furfaggot who knows shit about pokémon and talks like he does.
>>257642317 >Lucas was a likely cut long before Gematsu showed up. why? >b-but he's japan exclusive, look what happened to roy So is prince sable and he got AT, roy had a lot of data left in smash brawl and they spent a lot in SE Sakurai won't let series with less representation about reps >b-but metwo and dr.mario They both had a lot of data left too, still dr.mario is basicly mario and he is likely to come back as an alt, mewtwo is in consideration and pokemon got PT was basicly three characters in one and mewtwo got in too
>>257642689 Simmer down there man, I was just saying. He was a semi-clone from a game very few people played. Add on the fact that we still haven't seen him yet despite being so close to launch, and things don't look good for him. Maybe him and Ness both ended up becoming unlockable characters, but that doesn't seem likely to me. If we don't get him before launch, he's gone.
>>257641574 First, remove Mother. It's less notable than Kid Icarus is. Second, you'd prove your point better by showing Mario/Zelda/Pokemon representation on there too. Third, we haven't seen all of the content in the game yet. It's possible that Sakurai is just showing the content that's easiest for him to talk about. I'm not going to deny that it's a lot of KI-related content though. Fourth, while DK is a big series, I COULD see Sakurai cutting back on showing things for it due to how its related to Mario. Yoshi and Wario are more or less in the same boat so it's possible. Not that I'd agree with that reasoning, but it's there. Metroid isn't that big in Japan, or in general really seeing as DKCR outsold the entire Metroid Prime Trilogy.
>>257634394 >>257643451 Sakurai did say that he wanted things to be more of a surprise this time around, believing he revealed to much stuff for Brawl.
Assuming that's true and that he's sticking to that, goddamn, we probably have a LOT of characters this time around. Pretty sure we already have like 36 characters announced, and all of them aside from Sonic, Pac-Man, and Mega Man would be starting roster characters.
>>257639867 >>257641890 >Mario, Fox, Kirby, and Link cornering Bowser >Bowser roars >streaks appear from the shadows >sudden crash between them >the heroes pause, dazed >Kirby notices a sword in the ground in front of him >he draws it as out of the dust steps Wario, Meta Knight, and Wolf >Wario fights Mario, Meta Knight fights Kirby, Wolf fights Fox >Link sees an opportunity >charges with a HEEYAH >CLANG >Ganondorf has blocked Link's sword with his own, smiling >GANONDORF >POWERS UP >brief showcase of Ganondorf's new sword and magic moveset >Pikachu enters the fray >begins charging his side special >launches toward the villains >stops in midair, confused >MEWTWO >STRIKES BACK >Donkey Kong stands off to the side, wondering who to fight for >notices a flying object just in time to dodge >it's a crown >KING K. ROOL >KRUSHES THE KOMPETITION >Mewtwo begins charging his attack >Samus begins charging hers >Samus suddenly gets ripped off the ground and ragdolled like Loki in Avengers before getting tossed aside >everyone looks in the direction she came from >a triumphant roar is heard >RIDLEY >MAKES HIS BIG DEBUT >gameplay showcase of the new characters and moves >little bit at the very end, like with female Robin >"For more villainous fun, check out Pit's alternate costume!" >various new Dark Pit voice clips are heard
>>257643147 >He was a semi-clone from a game very few people played. so? Also nintendo actually aknowledges the issue of mother 3 in their e3 video, and lucas boosted popularity in brawl, not to mention prince sable is in the game as an AT and his game was really played by very few people and japs >Add on the fact that we still haven't seen him yet despite being so close to launch, and things don't look good for him I guess falco, luigi and marth were deconfirmed in brawl by that time >Maybe him and Ness both ended up becoming unlockable characters The most likely scenario since the frankling badge and mr.saturn are back, the badge appearing first on brawl along lucas with it's mother 3 design. >If we don't get him before launch, he's gone. Pic related
>>257643403 Also you know sakurai is trying to cattern the west in this smash? See the interviews, he wants to be absent of Jap only characters ans wants to represent more popular/well known characters, also the west loves samus and metroid. See what happened to punch out
Am I the only one who never really saw Metroid underrepresented in Smash?
Particularly in Brawl, where it had:
>Two playable characters >Two stages (3 if you count Brinstar) >An assist trophy >An item >Two SSE bosses (Both forms of Ridley but...) >A bunch of music tracks >A bunch of trophies >A bunch of stickers
Considering Metroid's status as a (at best) midtier series, I'd say Metroid was represented pretty well in that game.
Granted, we haven't seen as much as in Smash 4, but the series now has three whole assist trophies, so I don't think Sakurai is giving it the cold shoulder as much as people think he is.
>>257641890 >Lucas is going to get cut you guys! >I-I'm totally not getting this from that dead leak! Here's the thing, if shameless clones like Lucina and Toon Link can show up, Lucas has more of a chance to return than anyone.
>Samus and Donkey Kong fighting side by side on Pyroshpere >Their foes are revealed to be Wario and Meta Knight >They brawl for a bit, but Samus and DK get the upper hand >They start charging up a charge shot and punch when sudden obvious Ridley screech >Samus and DK look at the hole in the background while Wario and Meta Knight escape >Samus takes aim at the hole >Just when you think Ridley is going to burst through the hole, he suddenly shows up behind Samus and slams her into the ground >Triumphant roar >Ridley Flies Into Battle! >While /v/ is going nuts, DK tries to help Samus >Before he can do anything, he gets hit by a flying crown and goes blasting off >Camera shows a smug K Rool >K Rool Reigns Supreme! >Cue gameplay trailer of Ridley and K Rool At the end of the trailer they could throw in something with Ganondorf and Mewtwo backing up the villains, but that's optional.
>>257643771 I'd chalk up that to her having a high learning curve. I see it as sort of a good thing, since Ice Climbers and Olimar were like that and they ended up being high/top tier in Melee/Brawl. We got glimpses of some of the cool shit you could do, like having Rosalina shoot out Luma at the edge of a stage and have both attack any foe who tries to recover.
But yeah, I've never seen anyone use her down-b. What the fuck is up with that? It's the most useful thing for these all items on matches.
>>257644059 Metroid is certainly praised a lot but it's not one of those games I'd say is super popular in the west. I'd say that's more like 3D Zelda games, which aren't as big in Japan from what I've seen but are huge in the west. Japs seem to care more about 2D Zeldas or Hyrule Warriors (which isn't even a real Zelda game anyways).
Not saying Metroid isn't popular, but the average sales I've seen for individual Metroid titles have matched up with what I saw for Fire Emblem Awakening and Kid Icarus Uprising.
>>257644475 >Two SSE bosses (Both forms of Ridley but...)
This is what makes me wonder why people act like Sakurai hates Ridley. Mario got one boss for the SSE, Pokemon got one, Mother got one, and Metroid got two, both being different forms of Ridley to go alongside an extremely important Mother villain, a mascot Pokemon, and... Petey, I guess (probably just used him since he was important enough for Sunshine and they didn't have anything else that was viable, but eh).
But yeah, I agree. Metroid isn't a neglected series. People just overestimate how big it is, or think that other smaller games having more content to work with and thus getting more content means that Sakurai hates the series.
>>257645150 Did he? I don't recall. All I remember was him saying that he was announcing Luigi as a special part of the Year of Luigi.
>>257645536 He might get a trophy like Rayman. But he isn't becoming playable this time. Maybe he could end up being the third party character for the next game? Imagine how radical Castlevania representation in Smash would be.
>>257645348 >>257645483 I'm tired of it personally. A lot of it is just bitching about characters that didn't get in, bitching about characters that did get in, and bitching about representation in a series that is meant to be more about being fun than it is about nostalgia wankery or appealing only to people who stopped playing Nintendo games besides Smash and maybe Pokemon past the N64.
This fandom is full of faggots. I just want the game to come out so I can play that game instead of the waiting game.
>>257645839 >This fandom is full of faggots. While I agree overall, it's still nice when everyone gets together for something huge like this. Besides the fags will get bored of the game sooner than the bros.
>>257645839 I agree. But keep in mind that Brawl was where this problem stemmed. When Ridley, K. Rool, Krystal and a good number of others weren't in, things got hectic and people were angry. But we did it to ourselves. People are still angry from Brawl's pre/post-release and it carried on when the game was shown last year.
But they are right. Certain series need proper representation and Kid Icarus is getting too much favoritism. Never mind the outlandish choices like Rosalina, Lucina and Wii Fit Trainer being shown first. If K. Rool isn't shown that'll be six more years of waiting and I don't have the stomach for it anymore. I don't even have the stomach for this game, which I'm getting solely because of Pac-Man. I've already sealed that deal in blood. Fucking Sakurai.
>>257646185 >>257646301 Yeah, and it's cool when you find people who are actually looking to have fun instead of the shiteaters who firmly believe they understand how to make a game or think they know how Sakurai thinks.
To respond to the second guy, I honestly hate the fandom more than I like the games at this point. The fandom is a fucking parasite and I've found Mario/Fire Emblem/Kid Icarus/Metroid/etc. threads ruined because of it by people who I suspect don't even play those games and are just holding autistic spite against characters that don't exist or fucking video games of all things. Then we get into all the fighting that can happen between the FGC and some of the retards that perpetuate the Brawl vs Melee/PM shit. It's a fucking mess.
>>257647219 See, this is what I consider the problem. There isn't anything particularly outlandish about Rosalina, Lucina, or WFT. All three make sense for what they're meant to accomplish and add to the game.
And while I agree there is a lot of KI content, what's the problem with it exactly? If it turns out to be fun, it won't really matter as much. If it's shit then it'll seriously be a detriment to the game but that doesn't look like the case right now.
And I get that you really want K. Rool, but we all have shit we want in. I'm a tremendous faggot for Wonder Red and I wasn't particularly thrilled to see that he wasn't even an Assist Trophy. I got over it because the rest of the game looks solid. Not saying you have to get over it, but it does seem like you're taking it way too close to heart.
>>257647219 I feel like people need to get more angry at Retro Studios and Nintendo for not putting Rool into any recent noteworthy DK game.
I'd like K. Rool to be in, but I think he's currently an odd thing to add right now. DKCR was a big deal for the series and put DK back on the map, especially after years of falling into oblivion with shitty games like Barrel Blast, and K.Rool isn't involved with it at all. Had he been in Returns, we'd probably would of seen him announced for Smash 4 by now.
>Never mind the outlandish choices like Rosalina, Lucina and Wii Fit Trainer being shown first.
They're surprising choices, but I wouldn't say that they're that outlandish. Rosie brings a unique fighting style to the game and essentially represents two of the most critically acclaimed and noteworthy games in Nintendo's repertoire. Kind of a similar thing with WFT, who represents the age when Nintendo was finally back on top of the console market after years of middling to poor hardware.
As for Lucina, she was more of a last minute clone ala Doc and Roy. I do wish they did more with her other than "she's marth without the sweetspot ahuh" but it's not like she took that long to make, nor they did she take anyone's spot.
>>257648361 I always tell myself that I'm going to do this but then I get the inch at some point, end up catching one leak, and have to stay for them all. I'm not even going to try this time. I'm ready to dive right in to the leaks if they happen.
>>257647730 Same could be said for Mega Man, especially Mega Man. As much as I like him Capcom is adamant on neutering the franchise. He was a fluke.
>>257648085 The problem with Kid Icarus is that it's a game that Sakurai worked on, and as a result it's getting all of this love and exposure, Palutena getting TWELVE unique moves while other characters get a modded version of their default moves. And I can see a third rep, even if it's Dark Pit. That's why I'm so bent on K. Rool and Ridley. Series that have the years and games behind their belts get jackshit over a series with three(two in Japan)games over that same timespan. Some people want their favorites and they're gonna be mad about it when the director is putting HIS favorites in that he worked on.
>>257648142 I dislike them simply for being 'surprises'. It's like Sakurai is ignoring the characters with fanbases and going for unique left-fielders to make the game stand out from the other titles and I frankly don't like it. Retro is to blame as well. Those Tikis were a middle finger after coming off the Kremlings, who had a cool motif for each game.
>>257629936 Why are the first comments always something like this one? or "No, fuck off" "who cares? It's shit" etc etc. It never seems to get replies too. But whenever you see one of those comments in early replies, you know that the thread will get at least 200 more replies. It's a strange pattern if you think about it.
>>257648142 Rosalina and Lucina aren't really even that surprising when you think about it. I actually considered both to be possibilities prior to their announcements. Both are hugely popular in their franchises (see Nintendo citing Rosalina's fanbase in an interview and Lucina topping in official polls) and both are important enough in their games (story NPC for Galaxy 1, super guide for Galaxy 2, playable character for 3D World, and Lucina is only behind Robin and Chrom in importance to Awakening).
The only surprise with both getting in is that they actually bothered to give Mario another character and that Nintendo is bothering to use Rosalina more in general (NOT forcing her like retards like to think, most of the games she gets into now are games that plenty of other Mario characters get into and unlike most other Mario characters, she's actually made by people who make Mario platformers) and that they used Lucina the way they did, which was more or less unprecedented.
>>257648861 >Same could be said for Mega Man, especially Mega Man. As much as I like him Capcom is adamant on neutering the franchise. He was a fluke.
Mega Man had MM9 and 10 between Brawl's release and Smash 4. You could stretch it and add Volnutt appearing in TvC and Star Force 2 and 3 if you wanted to I guess since Geo and Volnutt are in the game as well.
>Some people want their favorites and they're gonna be mad about it when the director is putting HIS favorites in that he worked on.
I agree that people want their favorites and will be mad, but K. Rool and Ridley aren't even that important in the grand scheme of things. If Retro doesn't want to use K. Rool, then Sakurai isn't under any obligation to either. Ridley is a case where Sakurai does use him, but just not exactly as the fans want. He sure as hell didn't skimp out with Ridley in Brawl.
>I dislike them simply for being 'surprises'.
They have more than that going for them though. Hell, Sakurai even said that he didn't want people to think that WFT was just in for the sake of being a surprise iirc. He put her in because he felt she'd add to the game in ways that nobody else could. For Rosalina and Lucina, both what the poster you responded to and this post explain them: >>257648961
>>257648861 >Palutena getting TWELVE unique moves while other characters get a modded version of their default moves.
I still chalk that up to him simply needing a way to A. make her stand out and B. have her represent a gameplay mechanic.
Her having customizable and changeable specials isn't far off from how in Uprising, you mix and match and customize the different powers you have. Pit already had Uprising weapons build into his moveset, so I always thought (before she was even announced) it would make sense to give Palutena Uprising powers.
Most of the newcomers this game aren't really just representing their abilities as a character, they're representing game mechanics from the games they came from. This would explain stuff like why Mega Man moves and plays like how he does in the NES games, why Little Mac has the KO meter taken from the arcade games, why Rosalina's moveset consists of gameplay mechanics from Mario Galaxy (Luma buddy/co-op, launch star, the cursor), etc.
>>257649252 I see you never played King of Swing or Jungle Climber. He was the main antagonist for those games. Fuck Tiki Tong, Cactus King and Lord Fredrik, K. Rool is still the main villain for DK and it'd be nice to see him return. Sad part is it'll likely be in Smash Bros. before an actual DK game.
>>257649626 Honestly, Wii Fit Trainer was a surprise to many people, whether he intended it as one or not. And all it has going for is the aerobic/yoga poses. Nothing more. Lucina isn't a shocker to me, and Rosalina would have been an assist trophy at best.
>>257649719 I know that she represents a game mechanic. But the point still stands. You put your girlfriend in the game, give her all these varied moves and you can't do that for the other fighters? Bullshit. There's keeping faithful to the source material and there's being biased. It's a mix of both.
>>257650071 Yeah, but her Counter, Jump Glide, Teleport, Explosive Jump, Angelic Missile, Fireworks, and Heavenly Light are all taken from either other characters or Smash Run. Also, even though some characters use the same animation, they can be more than just stronger or faster versions.
>>257650510 Well yeah, WFT was a surprise, but that wasn't the point of including her like you were saying it was. She has the sort of joke character status that fighting games usually go for, like Phoenix Wright in UMvC3. It's pretty unique in itself and from what I can see, most people find it funny so it worked out.
>Rosalina would have been an assist trophy at best.
Would have? What are you talking about?
I dunno about you, but I wholly considered her a possibility when she was confirmed for 3D World. Being playable in a main Mario game is extremely notable, and the only Mario characters who've been there are the ones who are playable in Smash (besides Toad who probably doesn't have enough worthwhile shit to bring with him anyways).
>>257650948 >(besides Toad who probably doesn't have enough worthwhile shit to bring with him anyways). Give him Peach's Down-B, Propeller Hat as an Up-B, Spore attack as a B move and Penguin Suit as a B-Forward. Alternatively if you hold Down for a little you can charge him up and do the super jump from Super Mario Bros. 2. Toad should have gotten in before Rosalina, who I think really fits better as an assist. And don't pull the he's a species shit. Yoshi is a species as well, regardless. Swap Peach's Toad for Toadsworth if need be.
>>257651794 Crap, I don't really care about or agree with anything you said about Toad. Though it was actually quite an interesting idea... but I would love to see peach whip out Toadsworth to take the attack instead of Toad.
>>257651794 I've seen that shit everywhere and I still don't think it's worthwhile. It's fucking nothing compared to everything that the other newcomers who aren't Lucina do. Nothing like Mac's all punch moveset, or WFT's yoga style, or Rosalina's puppet master style, or even anything that'd make for something cool looking like Palutena's or Robin's movesets.
>And don't pull the he's a species shit. Yoshi is a species as well, regardless. Swap Peach's Toad for Toadsworth if need be.
Yoshi is also the representative for the YOSHI series, the same way that Pokemon are reps for the POKEMON series. Them being species means nothing since that's what their franchises consist of and utilize as the main characters. Toad isn't like that at all. Toad has seniority over Rosalina, but in almost every other category (aka the ones that matter like roles, moveset potential, and one actually being a character in the series while the other is a species), Rosalina either matches Toad or beats him out completely. Toadsworth is hilariously irrelevant so to try and say you'd want him is extremely curious to me. You'd have done better with Captain Toad, who still isn't that viable for his own reasons.
>>257653116 Swap the Toad USED in Peach's moveset for Toadsworth. I'm shocked that hasn't happened.
And Toad does all of that in the games he's playable in, which is what you pointed out Sakurai doing for Palutena. Why is that not okay but what Palutena does? It's sure more unique than Girl Marth/Roy and even Toon Link, who I like and want to have items from Spirit Tracks, Wind Waker and Minish Cap. It's a fucking crime that Palutena gets all of the spotlight and favortism.
>>257651794 Even in your own description you're having to borrow stuff from Peach, that alone should tell you how little he has to himself. I could see Captain Toad making it in the next Smash with stuff he uses in his own game, but that's a ways away.
Rosalina was clearly chosen almost entirely because she has far more moveset potential than nearly every other possible Mario rep, while simultaneously being a fairly popular character.
I'm not the guy who said the things about Palutena earlier. I actually do think that Palutena getting 12 special moves is really odd and kind of unfair since her regular moveset already details Uprising mechanics perfectly. What I was saying about Toad was that most of what you have for him is boring. Look at how the movesets for Smash 4 catch everyone's attention. If they didn't manage that, they'd at least look interesting. Imagine a trailer for Toad. Would it really have anything that would catch people's attention with that moveset?
I also agree that Toon Link needs shit from those games and that the Toad you listed would be more unique than Lucina or Roy. Lucina is a pretty special case though. She's not exactly on par with the other newcomers and shouldn't be treated as one imo.
>>257655191 >>257655563 Isn't LeakerBros the one who said we'd be getting Mike Jones and Geno, and that Ness would be shown off at E3? And then later said, after the Robin reveal, that a Gematsu character would be deconfirmed in a pic of the day?
>>257655502 Fair enough. I just don't like how Sakurai chooses to favor gameplay this time around and ignore characters. I didn't play Smash for the gameplay, I played for the characters and I'd like to see some of my favorites in AS playables and not just a cameo, which Sakurai goes for in cases like this.
>>257657956 I'm a Pac-Man fan, thank you. The games are fun and the World games especially are well-done. His series is viable and justified outside of the arcade titles. He doesn't just have the grandpappy of video game mascots to fall back on.
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