Yeah, it is. It's clearly Falco from the Star Fox series. A blue bird with metal legs. Who the fuck are you? Are the some implications here that, that is indeed not Falco somehow? Maybe someone in a mask? Who? Who the fuck are you talking about? Goddamn you're so annoying, I wish it was you and not Robin Williams. He contributed something to the world. You have not and never will.
Do you remember the event match in Melee, where you played an invisible Fox and Falco? I hadn't unlocked Falco for the first time yet, so when I was playing this match, I was SURE, for whatever reason, that it was Peppy I was fighting against.
When I saw it was Falco, I have to say I was a bit dissapointed.
I'll have you know I once landed a 4 hit combo in the demo
I thought she looked pretty good. I'm excited to play as her the most. The new side B, the grenade and everything. Goddamn.
I hope Zelda isn't utter shit this time around too. Same for Link and Ganondorf.
>Not expecting Krystal to appear
With all the waifu shit that's been thrown in, I wouldnt be surprised. I also just want to smash some peoples heads in with a staff.
I actually think Krystal as a staff+magic user would be really cool to play as an a unique character, but she has a terrible fanbase and is directly associated with the decline of the Starfox franchise
I think she is getting in. I'm not her biggest fan, but she's one of the best choices for a new SF rep. SF was never that good to begin with, but I can see how people would call her the "Shadow" of SF.
Project M has its own versions of stages for tourneyfag balance
I like them, walkoffs are just bad for gameplay and casual elitists that whine about battlefield clones are too shitty at the game to notice the differences and why they matter to competitive play for counterpicking
Those individuals who believe this are just buttmad StarFox64fags as like OoTfags, they hate anything that's past their "masterpiece". Not that i'm saying 64 isnt a good game, it's just it isnt the perfect game in its own sense.
It's also kind of stupid to blame a new character for a decline as had Star Fox 2 released, they probably would've bitched about Miyu and Fay, Command was what really did some damage, it was essentially the games Other M before that even came about. It's even more stupid to use a minority group to not like a character as this is in relations to a series that's full of humanoids, who've also met the same fate as she. Saying you dont like her because she's a blank character makes sense, but saying you dont like her because people draw lewd shit of her is idiotic.
SF64 kind of is the best game in the whole series. It isn't entirely Krystal's fault, but all the other games after SF64 just don't compare. The only one that's worth a damn is Assault.
Another thing to remember, especially after E3, is that Miyamoto and Nintendo want to make each game have new things so it feels fresh, which is kinda why Adventures happened. It's also why there wasnt a game on the Wii, which they said they tried doing but failed in the end. Luckily now we're getting one on the WiiU.
>Worst than Krystal, Bowser Jr or any other shitty character
But muh Marth with tits. Nigga please, you wish Lucina was worst
Miyu/Faye/Katt are not even close to being as bad as Krystal, which should be obvious. Though if SF2 released instead of SF64, it most likely would have been a decline in the series (since as it stands, the playable SF2 is worse than the original).
>Command was what really did some damage
It did the most damage for sure, but Adventures set everything up.
Just take SF64, mix in some Sin & Punishment 2, and bam, best game.
>Mario and Luigi
Dream Team is the 2nd best M&L though, after SSS. It was good.
Sticker Star can go fuck itself though.
>Nintendo want to make each game have new things so it feels fresh, which is kinda why Adventures happened.
Adventures happened because Rare had a Zelda clone starring anthropomorphic Fox characters in development that Nintendo didn't think would sell well enough as a new IP, so Miyamoto slapped Star Fox on it. Depending what you believe about Rare going to M$, it might have been to prevent M$ from getting Dinosaur Planet as an IP if Nintendo was already planning on selling Rare at that point.
I haven't gotten around to playing it despite owning it. I heard bad things.
I loved the first two sets, so it'll probably be a disappointment.
Anyway, I can see why people hate on Dream Team due to its horrible tutorials and poor pacing at parts, but I liked the defensive combat enough to like it, and I felt that the combat improved enough over BIS to rank DT over it.
Alphadream better bring back actual Bros. Moves next time though.
I'm not gay but there's something about his confidence and feathered way that makes me want to snuggle into Falco's lap while he's just wearing boxers. He'd give me that smug look of his and start to ease my head towards his plentiful bulge. Of course I'd eye him nervously, I'm not gay after all, but there'd be something alluring about that hidden slab of cockmeat just waiting there. I mean who could resist just a little peek right? And if it were to accidentally slip between my lips, with strands of precum dangling from the tip, well who am I to argue?
Nope, if you watch her video again, you'd notice she's not actually physically hitting anyone with it, her magic doing the work.
If you didnt know, Sakurai almost made a 3DS Starfox game, but that ended up being Kid Icarus uprising instead. Kinda hope he still considers that old idea as he could easily make a good installment compared to that shitty one Command.
From what I read it was like this;
>Rare was nearing Dinosaur Planets completion
>Nintendo however advised they make it for GC because the 64 was nearing its end period and feared it'd sell horribly
>They go to port it over, but then Miyamoto comes in and notices how Sabre looks like Fox
>Suggests it become a Star Fox game, Rare is floored
>During the development, Microsoft buys Rare out
>Rare ends up having to rush the remaining portion of the game, which probably explains why the fuck it's written so badly
>Game releases, not a terribly bad game, but again the writing suffers horribly.
There's even a ton of sources that explain what could've happened alternatively in the game, even pointing out that Fox saves Krystal halfway through the game instead at the very end. Personally I think Adventures needs to get rewritten because of this.
>We got Windwaker HD instead of Starfox Adventures HD
>Windwaker is highly stylized and still looks great, and I think the original looks better than how the HD version just dumps a metric shitload of bloom on everything
>SF Adventures HD could have fixed all the shitty parts and brought in all the things they wanted to do with Dinosaur Planet and fleshed out the Arwing sections into its own mode that links the game to Assault directly or something
what a shame
The biggest problem with the Starfox games after 64 is that they straight-up lack direction.
There isn't really any point to them. Nothing really happens IN them. It's just "Hey, here are these characters just kind of doing things". There's no sense of plot in them.
If they want to make a viable Starfox game, they need to triple their plot department, because Assault and even Command had some viable gameplay elements that would have benefited from severely better goals and writing.
So in other words, you want everything to be like 64, ok faggot. You do realize on rail shooters have been irrelevant for a long time, I think someone even pointed out 64 sold pretty poorly despite how "great" it was.
There's nothing in the Assault canon that's worth keeping outside of _maybe_ Panther. Everything else should get rewritten. I highly doubt Command is getting acknowledged, so they might as well clean up house in the process.
Though I actually want 64 mixed with S&P. It's a fucking railshooter (or 3D shmup) franchise. Why change it drastically? It's not like there's any competition for it.
>I hope Zelda isn't utter shit this time around too
Being a Zelda main is suffering.
A generic plot is much better than the lose concepts being thrown around in Command and Assault. Command especially didn't even have anything going for it, it banked almost entirely on the gameplay.
If you want to continue this conversation, try to use an actual argument that isn't "hurr hurr nostalgia". I only played 64 within in the last year and Command was my first SF game.
He's about as generic as Krystal
>No explanation to how he came about
>"Imma lady killer, here's my fucking rose to prove it"
That's why I said maybe. His art design isn't really bad, and if they dropped Krystal, he could pick up more of that Falco taunting.
I don't really care, but in a new game I think having 4 Star Wolf members would work best, and Oikonny probably would get kicked out after Andross is kill.
>he likes fun
does anyone want to netplay? west coast
Too bad I don't have any of that.
>Drop one generic character, but keep another generic character
This seriously doesnt make sense, much like how some fags want Miyu and Fay in despite how they both would potentially end up in the same position.
Panther is a lot less volatile than Krystal is, and unless the whole Star Wolf team stays intact after 64 (which I wouldn't mind, but I find it even less likely than retconning Adventures+Assault), it would need a new member or two, which Panther at least has an interesting aesthetic (not as much as the original cast, but not horrible).
As for Miyu and Fay, it would be a nice cameo if they were both the Bill/Katt of a single stage. Nothing more though.
Why do people think this will happen from a competitive point of view?
Is it the same people who wrongly think Mii Fighters will be banned in tournaments?
>I hope Zelda isn't utter shit this time around too.
Ftilt no longer combos but it's stronger. Utilt does combo but it doesn't kill. Hitbox on up B is smaller but it looks alot stronger. Bill killed Fox with it at low percent, may have been bad di though. Her down b is bad. Side b looks bad but apparently it has a buff and a strong sweetspot
Exactly, and they're banned because they introduce rabid probability into a scene where coinflips have no business being in.
Both ledgegrabbing and items are intended game mechanics, but only one of these removes the concept of skill from the game.
>All these Falco niggers
>The character who bitches at you for saving his blue ass.
>Not maining fox.
>Not gitting gud.
>Not pushing for 20XX.
>Not maining the leader of Star Fox.
>Both ledgegrabbing and items are intended game mechanics, but only one of these removes the concept of skill from the game.
Items are available to both players, it is a test of skill to get to the item first. Items add more skill to the game while edgehogging takes it away.
Sakurai is aware of this and thats why it's gone in Smash 4.
>Mah ebin Fox only no items FD may may xD
FD isn't the only tourney stage faggit. And the random factor sucks in actual matches.
Random exploding capsules and unfair items spawns bring unwanted rng. People already bitch about RNG in dota.
Yeah but melee is even more imbalanced with items. Characters like Falcon and jiggs are actually viable without items. With items the only 3 characters worth using are Space Furry, Space Bird, and transgender ninja. The competitive community tried items in the begging of melee's lifespan and most people agreed it hurt the scene more than helped.
>There are people in this thread right now who DON'T main The Cap
What's your ?
And it better be a damned good one.
I prefer Ganon. Predictable, Cap is one of many funsies characters, alongside Mario. Those three just have such strength and well-roundedness, but Ganon is my favorite because his sheer damage output and power means that all trades come out in my favor, and I can thereby keep momentum going for an entire match.
Not a lot or attention was given to shiek because she was only in the 3DS demo
But she is very high tier, there are videos by VGbootcamp that show her comboes
She is very good, it's just a shame the shiek player at the finals against bowser was a fucking terrible player
Watch the fucking Sonic trailer you fucking dick.nugget
Hitstun is back meaning combos are back again
Just because it's not Melee level doesn't mean it doesn't exist
This is the fucking problem with all Tue Smash analyzers, these fucking bozos just wants to shove Melee down their throats and keep comparing how much New Smash isn't Melee 2.0 and ignoring all the fucking improvements to Brawl, and it gives the Melee fans a bad rep, and even worse, extreme Melee fags and especially Project M elitists are supporting.f these fucking bias as shit analyzers
>Items are available to both players
Incorrect, their spawn position and timing is random. There's no tactic or maneuver a player can employ to ensure a certain item will spawn in a viable position for them.
>it is a test of skill to get to the item first
Also incorrect, because this statement assumes all items positions and timings will always be viable for both players.
>Items add more skill to the game
Again incorrect, because this implies a player can figure out when and where a certain item will spawn, and that there's some kind of employable tactic that can maximize or even remotely affect item spawns.
>while edgehogging takes it away.
You're on a roll, that's zero out of four. All edgegrabbing does is make it harder to recover from generally high-percentage hits, meaning the game rewards hit connects and aggressive gameplay.
List of people that ruin smash for the rest of us ordered from worst to least worse
Melee fags >gematsu/rosterfags > project m faggots > brawl faggots> n64 purists > casuals > ridley fags> sakurai
Why would you want something halfassed? Does Fox doing Utilt 3-4 times in a row look exciting to anyone? Yes hitstun is in again, but moves knock you so far away now that you can hardly follow up on them. Even the "pros" were barely pulling off any combos, and they spent more time with the game than anyone else. I'm not even advocating for the game to be like Melee, but fuck man if you're going to put in "combos", at least make it so you can do more than just chain a few tilts together.
Palutena is a magic fighter though
What the fuck is going on, what's with this "options" field?
Becuase Sakurai caters the game towards casuals. Casuals hate it when people stop them from getting back on stage. Yet the best part about smash is gimping and spiking people to their doom.
How does that justify the removal of mechanics and a metashift towards less-preferable gameplay?
More importantly, if Sakurai's decisions properly reflect the correct viability the games are trying to achieve, why hasn't he attempted to show off the depth of his games? He knows how to make games, why doesn't he teach us?
Melee fags are awesome. Melee locals are literally sometimes parties where you grab a beer and play one the best games of all time. P:M/Brawl locals are filled with Fedoras everywhere.(First time I saw a fedora in public was a Brawl tourney btw).
/v/'s just a contrarian board. Melee's popular, and Project M is popular, so /v/ has to do its best to shit it up because god forbid something popular actually gets praised on here.
The smash community prides itself on being pretty shitty at their own games. Even SF waifufags know how to DP/FADC. Most people on /v/ probably don't even know how to tech or even do simple DI.
If the street fighter fanbase was as autistic as the melee fanbase.
>Man sf4ultra is awful, Vanilla is where it is is at
>man fadc ultra takes so much fucking skill you scrubs dont even know
>any stage that isn't training stage should be banned because of the lag/fps drops
>seth should be banned
>akuma should be banned because vortexes
>wake up srk should be banned
>El Fuerte vs El Fuerte is a true test of skill
>RSF loop takes skill because its hard to pull off!
Which is one of the reasons why Project M is actually appealing to (and being criticized by) tournyfags.
A lot of characters are still being discovered, and tier lists get shuffled around almost weekly. Two months ago, not a soul was playing Diddy, and suddenly he's topping left and right. Mewtwo was considered in need of a nerf a while ago, but he has a ridiculously low tournament attendance despite how high on the list he used to be.
Melee and Brawl have always been stupidly unbalanced when you take the entire cast into consideration, and there's finally a mod that fixes that.
At evo you saw
Dr.Pee (Falco and Marth)
Armada(Peach and fucking Y.Link)
Silent Wolf(the only pure fox main there btw)
Fly Aminita(Ice Climbers)
but but muh fox only.
Diddy is only being abused because his banana game throws off people and his recovery is busted. Once they nerf his recovery and people figure out the banana game he will see alot less play. Mewtwo only saving grace from complete domination is his high tech skill ceiling.
>tfw going back to being shit tier in SSB4
When I see someone main Falco or Captain Falcon in Melee, I automatically assume they are of inferior intelligence. Both have an easy mode punish game and can get away with anything, but always suck because they have no potential.
In short, Falco mains are a joke. People main Falco if they don't really want to learn the game, but want to look cool anyway.
Pick up a real character.
>tfw you always unknowingly manage to pick the weaker characters
They better not do this shit to me again, I swear.
Ive gotten into melee recently
I love how his shine spikes people up
Trying harder to get better at wavedash out of shine and wavedash out of shield
Pretty fucking hard but I'll do it for Falco
>Peach never makes it to the top
Please, we already know he'll just be a shittier Fox clone
I main peach and soon greninja and he has top tier written all over him. But i guess i will use both.
Will Slippy ever not be the most annoying character in a Star Fox game? Not even Krystal comes close to being an annoying little shit like him.
How? How could they have possibly had a couple of days with a game that has been available to play on thwice? Thrice if they were at the tourney.
I'm so fucking done with this fan base. Meleefags on /v/ are simply the fucking worst. I'll get hype with my friends and on my own. Even those idiots and clowns at Gamegaqs would be better than you fucking doomwishers and nostalgiafags.
I really liked pokemon trainer and it upsets me that he won't be back
The original post you replied to wasn't even a Meleefag post you faggot. Anytime someone points out a fucking legitimate flaw or concern with this game's gameplay you people just scream M-Meleefag!
>always gets into trouble
>always have to save his useless ass
He needs to stay on the ship or bitch less. Krystal may have no character and is just there but at least she isn't always forcing you to rescue her every other minute.
There have been people who have played the game for a dozen hours or so like D1 and it takes only a fraction of that time to get a general feel for the engine, the hitstun, and what those will allow in the future. The only "combos" being janky utilt->utilt->utilt->utilt style chains isn't really a good thing.
The problem isn't hitstun, the problem is that most attacks knock you too far away to even do anything beyond chaining tilts together with hitstun. What's the point of hitstun if an attack launches your opponent halfway across the stage at low percents and they recover before you can even get to them?
Who's we? Slippy would end up being a Snake clone if anything. He would use the weapons he built from starfox assault replacing snakes weapons. Slippy as a Snake clone actually makes sense considering him as the mechanic of the team and his conversation with Snake in Brawl when they gave each other advice. Snake even wanted a weapon designed by Slippy.
Even if Slippy wasn't a clone he would still use those the inventions he made and not end up as a clone by any means.
>most annoying character
Opinions. Good thing being annoying isn't apart of Sakurai's criteria of adding characters for smash. Also Krystal is a shitty character who hasn't contributed a single thing to the whole fucking series. She's only good for fap material. Rare made that clear when they created her.
Slippy is a part of a Mecenary group, EVERYONE is getting into trouble.
>He wont be a Fox clone, he could be like Snake!
This is equally as stupid as those who ignore those who say Krystal would be good because of her Staff Fighting Style. By the way, I doubt he actually used any of the shit he made, multiplayer doesnt count.
>defending shitty characters
Slippy will never man up and not be shit that's why I hate him. Useless pilot that always gets in trouble, he needs to stay on the ship.
I'm holding out hope he'll be better. I mean, he wasn't Ganondorf tier but that slowness sucked. If he's losing that hold down A to jab thing, that also means he can't do that silly jab walk.
State your case. Why do you think it's stupid for a mercenary that builds and uses weapons to kill people to be a clone of a mercenary that uses weapons to kill people.
I think you need to take a nap. I didn't know a frog had to be in a dick measuring contest to be in smash bros. It's good that you blindly hate him, makes it even better for when he gets confirmed over your favorite blue bicycle.
Similar in your case, Krystal makes a comment in Brawl about handling the battle, also Wolf was involved in some of Fox's conversations before he was unlocked. This can be said about Fox, but nobody at the time knew Wolf was playable until Japan got Brawl and released all the info.
Well Krystal was full of shit saying she's the only one capable on the team of being able to fight. Krystal also wasn't the only one in that conversation. She just got in the last word in during the conversation. If the order was switched around and Slippy was the one to say he's the only one left to fight then would that mean he's the most capable? Probably not, but the only thing that matters is what Sakurai could do to make them capable of fighting. Any one of the star fox characters could end up as clones the same way Sakurai could make them unique.
As far as Wolf's situation he was originally going to be in Melee and was able to add him in the next game. Even if Krystal was the most wanted before Brawl it didn't matter what her fans want Wolf had a much bigger priority.
>Calling people furfags for wanting one character you dont like
>In a game full of furshit
All Star Fox characters are furbait don't even try to deny that.
>makes it even better for when he gets confirmed over your favorite blue bicycle.
>implying I care for the roster
Rosterfaggots care more about characters than the gameplay itself, they'll eat any shit Nintendo spews out. Brawl was shit and the next Smash looks like it'll be as well if Sakurai doesn't change the speed of the game.
Not everyone is into gay macro shit.
>Not maining the heroic prophet that will deliver us from the terrors of 20XX