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Everyone from Brawl is coming back, with the exception of Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Snake.
There are not as many changes to the moves of the rest of the characters. Ganondorf has had a few of his moves changed (his forward Smash attack uses his sword, and his Neutral and Down Specials are completely new), but is otherwise the same. Wolf now has a new Final Smash, similar to Zero Suit Samus’, but with his ship.

Mewtwo is coming back. It’s based on the one in the movie last year, so it’s more feminine than the one in Melee. It has the same moves as Melee Mewtwo, except its Down Special is now a reflective barrier. It Mega Evolves into its Y form for its Final Smash.

Dixie Kong is a newcomer. She’s a bit similar to Diddy, except she obviously uses her hair for many of her moves. She can even slow her fall by holding the jump button. She also uses her guitar for some attacks. King K. Rool is in as an Assist Trophy, and he does several things such as jump around and throw his crown.

Ridley is not playable. His Other M version is the boss on Pyrosphere, and his Super Metroid version appears as a boss in Smash Run. Unfortunately, there won’t be any Metroid newcomers.

Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles is a newcomer. He’s a bit on the slow side, but his sword gives him quite a bit of reach. His Final Smash boosts his speed and allows him to dodge everything for a limited time. The stage is based on the Gaur Plain area of his game, and it’s in both versions of Smash Bros.
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Dark Pit is an alt for Pit. His voice changes along with it, as does the “Pit” label and announcements. The Wii U has another Kid Icarus stage based on the Underworld stages in Uprising. Medusa appears as a boss on this stage.

The Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven will also be in. They move as one, even when being hit, and are animated in a style similar to their game. Their moves reference several minigames in their series. Both Smash games will have a RH stage based on the Remix concept from their games; the 3DS version will use minigames from the DS Rhythm Heaven, and the Wii U version will use minigames from Fever.

Ghirahim from Zelda: Skyward Sword is the last newcomer. He’s another swordfighter, and he’s pretty fast to boot. He’s a really technical fighter, and he has a counterattack where he catches the opponent with his hand, and then throws them aside.

Bayonetta has a Trophy.

Isaac returns as an Assist Trophy, as does the Advance Wars troops and Ray MKIII. New Assist Trophies include Bandana Dee from the Kirby games, Tempo from HarmoKnight, Sukapon from Joy Mech Fight, and the guy from Urban Champion.
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>>257480136
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There is a stage based on Nintendo Land in the Wii U version. The 3DS version itself has a stage based on Pushmo.

Stage Builder will only be in the Wii U version. It’s been greatly improved from the Brawl version, with more themes and stage elements to use. You’re also not as limited as you were before with the placement of objects. You use the GamePad for this mode.

Bosses in Smash Run include the aforementioned SM Ridley, Kraid, Hydreigon, Boom-Boom, Tiki Tong, Marx, Thanatos, Cragalanche, Galleom, and some others.

That’s all I have.
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>>257480202
>The Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven will also be in. They move as one, even when being hit, and are animated in a style similar to their game. Their moves reference several minigames in their series. Both Smash games will have a RH stage based on the Remix concept from their games; the 3DS version will use minigames from the DS Rhythm Heaven, and the Wii U version will use minigames from Fever.

I can dream ;_;
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All I care about is if Ecco from Ecco the Dolphin: The Tides of Time for Sega Genesis makes an appearance
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>>257480136
pics of chorus men or shut up
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>>257480136
>Ridley is not playable
>Unfortunately, there won’t be any Metroid newcomers
Bye bye hype
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>Shulk

nah
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>>257480136
boshibohsiboshi
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>>257480136
into the thrash it goes
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>>257480136
>Ridley is not playable
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>Ridley
>not playable
Shitty fake leak.
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>>257480202
>The Chorus Kids

>Not Marshal or Karate Joe

This is how you tell a fake rumor from a real rumor.
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CAN WE FUCKING TURN OFF BOSSES OR DECIDE HOW QUICKLY THEY SHOW UP

THIS IS IMPORTANT, FUCK
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>>257480136
>>257480202
>K. Rool is an assist trophy
>does several things
>Ridley not playable
>Chorus Kids in
>another swordfighter

Fucking hell I can't wait for these to stop, you faggots dont even try anymore.
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>>257480136
Does anyone else think it's kinda bullshit that they cut Pokemon Trainer? That's the MAIN PROTAGONIST of the FRANCHISE
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>>257480136
>ridley is not playable
gufawaw
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Among the modes exclusive to Wii U is the return of Event Matches. In Melee, there were 51 events, however, Smash Bros. for Wii U is a much larger game, and deserves quite a few more events, don't you think?

You can expect plenty of newcomers, however there is one Old veteran who is keeping us all waiting.

Finally, look forward to the adjustments we've made to many of the veteran movesets, plus their custom moves. Players more accustom to playing in either of the previous Smash games may be able to find themselves at an advantage if they properly customize their characters and Amiibos.

Please look forward to the release Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U. Thank you.
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>>257481598

They had to when they cut out transformation characters.
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I think I'm the only one who loves these "leak" threads. I just really enjoy seeing what they have to say and giving me ideas.
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actual roster coming through
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>>257481881
then don't cut out transformation characters, duh
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>>257481919
Girahim, check.
Jiggly, check,
Dixie, check.

No Dark Pit (though costume is acceptable)
Lack of Waddle Dee is disappointing but not a deal breaker.

But that Ridley.... Why did you have to include not only him but such a hideous version of him.
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>>257481910
I feel like the only guy who puts effort into ideas, but I can never think of enough to make a proper leak thread or even be assed to make it in the first place. There's always one on the catalogue already.
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>>257482161
I think it might be a bit late for that. Though, I will really miss Ivysaur.
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>>257482161
Pretty sure transformations were cut to accommodate the 3DS.
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>>257482346
because is he gets in at all it will be with that design or an "redesign" of that design?
just get used to it, i have.
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>>257481687
Yes please, I miss the events matches from melee
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>>257482734
then either make a better game or stop pandering to the 3DS
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>>257482161

Transformations were a bad concept, as most people just used one form and ignored the other.
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>>257482749
I'm not against the idea of Ridley at all, since some people obviously want him that'll only make them happy. But I think no matter what design he has I won't like it very much since I'm not a huge Ridley fan in general.
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>>257482734
That and transformations took too long on discs because of the models needing to be loaded everytime it happens. At least Final Smashes can have a flashy startup to mask the loading.
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>>257480136
Why is everyone so sure Snake isn't coming back?
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>>257482986
Kojima said on twitter, "as far as I'm aware, snake is not in the new smash"
Or something along those lines
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>>257482161
>nerfing a character because it has more attacks
>no one used both characters
>it became a weak character with less moves
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>Gematsufags STILL clinging on to Shulk and Chorus Kids after the "leaker" got BTFO
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>>257483085
Kojima and Sakurai, the Maste Rusers from the gaming industry.
I still think he is out...
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>>257481919
>Bowser Jr
>Ridley

lol
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>>257482986
I read somewhere that sakurai didn't want enough 3rd party characters so you could have a whole match without a Nintendo Character? So Sonic, Snake, Pacman and Megaman.

Though I probably read that from some anon on 4chan with an even less reliable source so I don't really know what I'm talking about at all. I'm indifferent to snake anyway.
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>>257481598
I feel the same way, and I'm not even a big fan of the series.

Considering custom movesets are a thing with one particular character having special customization, I'd imagine they could have done that for the Trainer.

Have his move swaps be different Pokemon, but he only gets to use one at a time.
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>>257483242
I base my chorus kid hype totally off of his smash run enemy
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>>257483415

Yea, it was a "leaker" on /v/ that said that a while back
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>>257483242
Shulk is still likely and Chorus Kids are plenty possible. Stay upset. :)
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>Shulk

Stopped reading there. Still drinking Gematsufag tears from last month.
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>>257481687
>one Old veteran who is keeping us all waiting.
>Old
>keptyouwaitinhuh
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>>257482795
There were event matches in Brawl tho
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>>257483242
Everyone who says Chorus Kids has never even played or payed any attention to RH even though they claim it needs a rep. Better odds go to one of the radom cute girls used as cover mascots than that one time trio. Either that or Mashal at least since he was Fever's tutorial and credits guy.
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>>257480136
>Unfortunately, there won’t be any Metroid newcomers.
Fake as shit, surely Sakurai would never do such a thing.
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>>257483924
Chorus Kids literally convey the theme of the game whereas Karate Joe or Marshal don't.
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>>257483085
I read that somewhere but isn't it a little suspicious that he just said Snake?
Don't get me wrong, I have no fucking clue about the Metal Gear series but don't you play as other guys in different games?
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>>257481598
the trainer is just a cipher through which the gamer catches Pokemon, the real "main protaganists" of the franchise
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>>257481598
Why the fuck do we need even more gen 1 pokémon?
The Next Smash should have: Pikachu,Jigglypuff,Lucario,Greninja and a new pokémon from gen 7 or 8.
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>>257484078
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>sakurai
>changing his mains moves

no
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>>257484078
Why would they keep Snake? He is a clone after all and we don't need more clones in Smash
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>>257483939
>implying
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>>257483924
Everyone who says Marshal or Karate Joe has never even played or payed any attention to RH even though they claim it needs a rep. Better odds go to the Chorus Kids used as cover mascots, show up in Game & Wario, and are actual singers (singers rep a series about rhythm well? who knew!) than that a karate guy who hardly represents a series about rhythm well or a shitty tutorial npc who's been in one mini-game.
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>>257481919
>No Bandana Dee
>No Mach Rider
Come on, each Smash has at least one irrational unlockable character
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>>257484168
type "most popular pokemon" into google faggot
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>>257484032
>literally convey the theme of the game
The fuck does that even mean? And how is their game any different from a tutorial specifically to teach the player Rhythm?
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>>257483853
And they were terrible. Remenber when you had to fight in an event match with link, against ganondorf to unlock him, it was glorious.
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>>257480202
>>257480136
Why do mods even allow this?
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>>257484503
>Everyone who says Marshal or Karate Joe has never even played or payed any attention to RH even though they claim it needs a rep.
>Implying

fuck off faggot, i want karate joe.
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>>257484572
Charizard is shit.
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When you said that Mewtwo will turn into its Y form I got scared and frantically looked up which one is the Y form. Luckily they picked the not shit Mega Evolution.
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>>257485068
Put they did pick the shit Mega Evolution. They also picked the shit Mega Evolution for Charizard
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>>257485021
cry more
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>>257485250
Who here is actually gonna main him? Seriously?
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>>257481687
What is this? Sauce?
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>>257483415
>could have a whole match without a Nintendo Character
>sonic vs sonic vs sonic vs sonic
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>>257484168
Why the fuck would you want jigglypuff to rep gen 1 when there's already more popular choices, that's like replacing lucario with kricketune or some shit
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>>257485321
See >>257484572
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>>257485189

>Charizard-Y fag butthurt that Game Freak chose the more marketable Mega Evolution
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>>257485376
because its a fucking vet from the first game?
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>>257480136
What is this and why do I actually believe it?
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>>257480136
>Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles is a newcomer
>Dixie Kong is a newcomer
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>>257484272
>Gives Ganondorf a brand new moveset based on stuff he actually does in Zelda games
>Takes his favorite moveset and gives it to a character of his own creation, Hades from Kid Icarus Uprising
Uprising is already incredibly overrepresented in Smash 4, why stop now?
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>>257485569
That doesn't change the fact that jigglypuff is an irrelevant piece of shit, being in the first game is no reason to keep a character around
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>>257485759
So they should remove Ness and Captain Falcon too right?
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>>257485759
>ness
>captain falcon
>neither have even been in a game in ages
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>tfw you want Ghirahim but your afraid Sakurai will make 90% of his moveset consist of sword attacks
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>>257485913
Not Cpt. Falcon, a celebrated and awesome character. Who gives a fuck if Jiggs and Ness come back?
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>>257485759
Fox hasn't had a game since 64 was made. Lets cut him too.
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>>257485350
Hah Damn, I can't believe I didn't think of that.
Though I think it's safe to say a match without repeating characters. See >>257483567
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>>257485913
>>257485960
They're both protagonists of their respective series, Jigglypuff is an irrelevant Pokemon out of 700+ that can easily be replaced by more popular shit from its own gen and no one would miss it
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>>257486025
Captain Falcon is my main you faggot but he isn't relevant at all. I give a fuck if they come back because they are staple characters.
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>>257486081
>3DS game

I agree with you, but man.
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Woo! Ridley as a boss again! How fucking fun. Thanks for changing things up, Sakurai!
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>>257485960
seriously the only reason Jigglypuff was in 64 was because they ran out of time and decided to use a Pokemon that could use Kirby's model. You want him because of past shit. If that had been Meowth like planned you'd be arguing for that and nobody would care about Jigglypuff
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>>257486190
Except Jigglypuff already has people who love her moveset from being in 3 smash games.

Jiggs is in. be mad.
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>>257485759
"Being in the first game is no reason to keep a character around".
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>>257481919
Replace BJ or Ghirahim with a random retro character and I think I could accept this roster.
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>>257486205
Staple to you maybe. I'd only call C. Falcon a staple. Ness and Jiggs were one of the last additions into Brawl.
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>>257486020
What else would he do? He is a sword that uses a sword from a game about sword attacks.
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>>257486218
Wasn't the 3ds game a remake of 64?
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>>257486419
It doesn't matter. They are still in all Smash games and are best known for being in them.
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>>257486315

Jigglypuff has without a doubt the worst moveset in the game. Half of her attacks are entirely worthless and only ever used by accident, and at her best in Melee she was gimmicky and repetitive as fuck. If she does come back they'll be doing her a disservice by keeping her moveset intact.
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>>257486532
Now see that's where you're wrong. Only Captain Falcon is in Smash 4. The others... we'll see.
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>>257486505
But there was a DS game too.
It sucks though.
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>>257486862
>best moveset
>not overly flashy
>effective
fuck off
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>>257486315
I'm fully expecting it to be in, just for that reason alone. It's just a stupid reason to keep a character around. People care more about Jigglypuff because of Smash than they do in Pokemon, the character doesn't have any merits of its own. There's better choices out there, but people will keep hanging onto Jiggs because "m-muh first smash! xD"
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>>257486862

>she was gimmicky and repetitive as fuck

Yet she was the 5th best character in the game.
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>>257487023
holy fuck why did I never know about this.

Gunna download it right now.

inb4 disappoint
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>>257487212

It's Star Fox: Furry Soap Opera Edition.
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>>257487212
Really?
There were 2 gamecube games too and the DS game does suck though.
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>>257487212
Please don't
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>>257486862
>worst moveset

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go watch Isai play puff in 64

or go watch mango play puff in melee

The moveset is sex. I agree that its repetitive and maybe even boring when Hbox gets ahold of it but theres nothing to be done about that.
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>>257487201
Not him, but most people agree that high level jigglypuff is some of the gayest shit in the game. BAIR BAIR BAIR BAIR
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>>257487178
>People care more about Jigglypuff because of Smash than they do in Pokemon, the character doesn't have any merits of its own

The exact same thing can be said about Captain Falcon.
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>>257487578
very strong point here
I don't even play as Cap in F-Zero games
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>>257487201
>Pikachu in top 10
Since fucking when
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>>257487201
That... doesn't contradict what he said
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what character do you propose should get in instead of Jigglypuff
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>>257480136
>>257480202
>>257480348

This is by far the most believable one yet. Ghirahim seems a little unlikely, but the rest are fairly safe choices.

9/10 I want to believe.
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>>257487682
Pikachu's been consistently good in every Smash game
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>>257487682
have you never played Melee? Pikachu is one of those characters that is played a lot both competitively and casually. Down B bruh
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>>257487464
The Adventures was not a star fox game just like SMB2 was not a mario game. it was a different game slapped with mario sprites.

Assault is another one I just never heard about. What in the flying fuck.
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>>257487178
Jigglypuff was my favourite pokemon growing up and still is, and that was before I ever played smash. She even had that neat cameo in the anime (maybe that's why she was put into smash I don't know) and while she is now probably more known for smash is it really that impossible for you to believe that some people can just like jigglypuff because they like jigglypuff?
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>>257487721
wigglytuff
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>>257484376
underrated post
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>>257480136
That's cool and all, but is your dad Nintendo?
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>>257487852
>SMB2
>/v/ into fact checking
That was a mario game, it was originally made to be a mario game, you're a nigger x4
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>>257480136
>>257480202
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>>257487852

Assault is decent, aside from the on-foot parts in single-player.
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>>257487873
People who genuinely like jigglypuff are in a minority compared to those who would want charizard or mewtwo in its place
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>>257487824
>>257487840
I'm a Pikachu main, and I know for a fact that he was bottom 5 in Melee's tier list for at least 5 years.
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>Ridley not in
>Shulk is

OP is a fake, everyone move on.
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>>257480136
>no snake
you're full of bullshit
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>>257488114
Nigga, Charizard is already in the game. Lazy trolling
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>>257488167
Only one of those characters is relevant

it's not Ridley
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Hello, I am Masahiro Sakurai, and I am here to present to you the complete Super Smash Brothers for 3DS and Wii U roster, directly to you.
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>>257484503
they're also worst minigame
Its like wanting Adam as the metroid rep
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>>257488114
I can't argue with you there. Charizard and mewtwo are too popular. I don't know enough about smash 64 to argue why she was included there, maybe her anime appearance contributed to it (if that was before smash 64, again I'm not sure.) But either way clearly they thought her interesting enough to put in the game and now her Vet state gives her an edge.
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>>257488331
>Project_M_The_Later_Years.png
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>>257488331
wheress Ridley hes my favorite character
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>>257486462
he also has his magic projectiles and shit
and he didn't even use his sword for a good amount of time
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>>257488019
doki doki panic was not originally intended to be a mario game you retard.

/v/ into fact checking INDEED.
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>>257488224
This whole convo started because of someone saying there were too many Gen 1 reps. Pikachu will always be in, so let's say you only have one other gen 1 Pokemon to put in. Why the fuck would anyone put in Jigglypuff over Charizard or Mewtwo?
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>>257488531
>Muh perfect attendence
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>>257488445
she was the mascot for pokemon in japan equally to pikachu for gen 1
And then in 2 for babies and recently for fairy
Kawaii factor, nigga.
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Jigglypuff can be DLC or something for all I care. The only reason it got in the first game is because it was easier to model and animate than the other characters they had planned and it was actually relevant at the time because it was still in the anime. It's just silly wasting time on it at this point.
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>>257488148

Pikachu was considered low tier and no one ever played him. Axe showed what pikachu can do. people started playing pikachu.

Though he requires too much skill and rewards are too little compared to other higher tier characters.
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>>257487524
bair bair bair bair bair bair uptilt rest
man what a sexy moveset
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Let me gaze into my crystal ball...

Remaining Newcomers:
>Mach Rider
>Dixie Kong
>King K. Rool
>Ganon
>Shulk
>Issac
>Marshal
>Diskun

DLC:
>Wonder Red
>Mewtwo
>Roy
>Snake
>Baynetta
>Lip
>Simon Belmont
>Ridley
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>>257488531
Whose to say she can't be in at the same time? If you're some slotfag bitching over "muh gen wun" then you're just living in denial, Gen 1 has the most iconic Pokemon.
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>>257488523
>LOOK AT ME MOMMA I READ A LIE ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE ITS SO POPULAR

yes
It was meant to be a Mario game based on vertical fucking scrolling.
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>>257488445

Jiggs got in because they could recycle Kirby's model and animations, and it was desirable because it had a recurring role in the anime at the time.
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>>257485640
Because it's the most disappointing outcome
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WHY DOES CHARIZARD COME BACK BUT NOW SQUIRTLE OR IVYSAUR

TOP TIER BULLSHIT
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>>257484556
Thats what Ridley is for.
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>>257488706
I figured something like that happened. Did that happen in like the last 2 years?
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>>257489009
because nobody cares about Ivysaur and Squirtle
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>>257488797
What am I looking at? Most iconic pokemon of each gen? Where're Gren and Hawlucha for VI?
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>>257489009
>people actually give a shit about Ivysaur
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>tfw the newcomer you wanted was already confirmed and anything else at this point is icing on the cake
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>>257487803
Why?
It's the most boring list yet outside of Chorus kids.
Shulk without any of his special stuff, Ghirham as a fast sword fighter with another generic sword based moveset, Mewtwo coming back as a clone of Lucario, and Dixie as a partial clone.
And it says most of the previous clones are still at least half clones
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>>257480136
>Snake
It hurts. I was realy good with snake
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>>257489232
Just a list of Pokemon by their Wikipedia articles. Greninja and Hawlucha don't have one.
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>>257486020
he should literally turn into a slashing sword for his forward smash
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>>257488734
The moveset is sexy.
The combos are weak but she isnt a combo character.

You still hear everyone scream when falcon dthrows into knee.

it's simple but that doesnt change anything.

Watch mango go ham as fuck with jiggs a few years back

the fox player was at the time completely unbeatable.

and jiggs was low tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4xTnHEktCI
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>>257484574
they sing to a certain rhythm
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>>257489373
>Why?
>>257488962
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>>257488797
Just saying, in this hypothetical situation with limited gen 1 "slots", Jiggs would be the first one on the chopping block. Pikachu? Mascot. Charizard and Mewtwo? Insanely popular from their inception, and still popular today. Hardly anyone cares about Jigglypuff now.
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>>257489563
Like literally every other character in the entire series.
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>>257484376

You're pretty good anon
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>>257489373

>Mewtwo
>clone of Lucario

>there are STILL people who believe they're anything alike
>in 2014
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>>257489151

This happened a month ago in a HUGE tournament.
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>>257489373
>It's the most boring list yet
That's exactly why.
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>>257488912

Ha, I just remembered as a kid I hated Jigglypuff in Smash 64 because there was something unsatisfying to me about 2 out of such a small roster being pink circles, and Kirby was my favourite and I felt like it made him less unique. I was kinda mad that she was in the game over Bowser, Mewtwo or Dedede.

It would probably take me a while to notice if she was cut from the new games and /v/ didn't tell me. It kinda surprises me that anyone is hanging out to play her in Smash 4.
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>>257486258
>him
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>>257489279

People would give much more of a shit if it was Bulbasaur

Debate me
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>>257489671
Sakurai doesn't care about "gen slots". Brawl had 6 pokemon, 5 were Gen 1.
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>>257483085
Kojima said "solid snake"
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>>257489905
Pretty much.

It's either the big, cool final evolution or small and cute base form. Nobody likes mid-evos.
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>>257489671
Actually I think Mewtwo would be first since he's already been cut from the game. Charizard is pretty high up though but Jiggly could still compete because of her vet state.
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>>257489801
I remember seeing that during evo, I thought the fox just sucked. Who is the pikachu playing?
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>>257489905
>Debate me
>implying it isn't true
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>>257490084
>it's part of the video. Oh. I'm retarded. I still don't know who that guy is though.
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When Brawl came out, amongst the several veteran unlockables like Falco and Marth, we had several characters that weren't shown off until the game's release (ROB, Wolf, Toon Link, Lucario).

If we're to assume that everyone from Brawl except the remaining Pokemon Trainer mons and Snake are returning, we'll have 47 characters already. At most we probably have room for 3-4 more newcomer unlocks. for 50-51 characters, 52 with the random slot.

The important question here is, who's it gonna be
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>>257485350
pacman x megaman X sonic x snake
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>Losing Squirtle
>Keeping Jigglypuff

Why
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Sakurai doesn't care about creating unique movesets, he wants to focus on adding lots of popular and interesting characters, and I completely agree with them. I'd rather six clones of characters I enjoy than one unique character I don't.
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>>257490270

>Sceptile
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>>257490308
Because
1. Jiggs is a veteran of 3 games.
2. It'd be unfair to Bulbasaur people if 2/3rds of the Kanto starters got in.
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>>257490308
>Actually caring about squirtle
>Especially over Jigglypuff
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>>257490362

THEN WHY NOT SNAKE RETURNING

HE WAS BOTH POPULAR, INTERESTING, UNIQUE AND HAD AN AWESOME MOVE SET AND STYLE

It just seems so sad to have gaming icons like Mario, Pikachu, Sanic, Megaman, Pac Man all in one place in one game

And yet Snake just falls short, having got the place in the red-headed slow big brother of the game
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>>257480246
That's Depressing
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>>257490569

And yet the game already has 3 pokemon without jigglypuff

2 of them kanto pokemon

I like Jiggly in smash but she's really not relevant anymore
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>>257490580
Don't yell at me, I'm afraid I have no idea. He could still return? I can understand your frustration though.
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>>257490723
She's never revealed before release and she wasn't relevant when Brawl came out either
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>>257490580
I could imagine Nintendo cockblocking him on that one. They already gave MGS4 free advertising last time.
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>>257490084
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:Silent_Wolf

Silentwolf hardly "sucks"
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>>257490521
I'm sorry trashman, I couldn't think up of anyone else for the "Female/Genderless/gender ambiguous" row so I threw in a pokemon that gets thrown around a lot because muh hurr durr complete the starter trio. Could you think of a suitable replacement for me?
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>>257490572

Squirtle is fun to play.
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>>257488523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drUoa1G39P4#t=209

Any fucking dipshits who honestly believe that SMB2 isn't a mario game is a fucking retard.
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Why should we believe you, OP? Especially when you've stated blatant lies?
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>>257490723
Hey man I'm just telling you the truth. Sakurai isn't going to go all out to make all three but he's not going to only put 2 in.
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>>257490723
She's not relevant to Pokemon (even though she could be now that she's Fairy type) but she's relevant to Smash Bros. It's the same reason Captain Falcon and Ness keeping making it, they live on through Smash Bros. after having appeared in the original.
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>>257490896
Goddamn. Axe's Pikachu is made of rape then.
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>>257491014
not him, but
>using DYKG as a source
>some of the facts in their videos are wrong or speculation
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>>257490838

>He could still return?

I would really, really like that to be true anon but I don't see it happening as apparently Kojima doesnt even know if Snake's in it. Unless Kojima is rusing us... again.

>>257490892

Thats the only thing. Alright Brawl was only 4 years off from the Twin Snakes release

But Snake Eater 3D was a launch title for 3DS, and 3DS was dead in the water when it launched. You'd have thought that Nintendo would have been more greatful
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>>257491184
okay then
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXHtnsZ3SUo
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>>257491116
Thank! You! I like your logic.

I like it a lot
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>>257481919

Add Mach Rider or Excitebiker and this is literally THE perfect roster.

20/10 taste anon.
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>>257491285
>grateful
>for a shoddy port of a game on nearly every platform except with horrendous drops
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>>257491285
March 2012 isn't exactly launch
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>>257491014
That's horseshit.

Miyamoto may have made Doki doki panic into what it was, it was clearly not a fucking mario game.
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>>257491650
>horrendous drops
only in cutscenes
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>>257491719

When did the 3DS come out?

It still feels like it was a few months ago
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>>257492146
Nov 2011 i guess
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>>257491315
You're too hipster for you own good anon.

You'll accept nonsense from someone as fact just because it goes against what everyone else already knows.
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>>257492540
>there were roms of the early versions of SMB2
>still not accepted
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>>257489748
They both charge energy balls
they both have teleport
they both increase their damage output as they take damage
they both use counter
they primarily rely on psychic attacks
they were both voiced by Jennifer Aniston
fan theory implies that Lucario is actually the son of Mewtwo the Legendary Pokemon Swordsman that rebelled against Mundus and Giovanni to protect Hoenn

it just makes sense anon
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>>257492706
>fan theory implies that Lucario is actually the son of Mewtwo the Legendary Pokemon Swordsman that rebelled against Mundus and Giovanni to protect Hoenn
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>>257492639
>none of the lore makes any sense in a mario world
>almost nothing that was introduced in gameplay/lore/enemies/anything carried over into any mario game ever.

But no. You're right. Toad totally has MAD strength stat in mario golf/baseball just like he does in doki doki I mean SMB2.
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>>257492706
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They should add Bandana Dee to the game and just give him Snake's moveset
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>>257493007
>enemies
you what?
A large number of enemies were carried past that.
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>>257493520

Toad has mad STR.

I concede.

Toads character was totally created around toad and his mad fucking muscles.
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>>257481456
>complains about Choir Boys
>wants Karate Joe

That's a pretty ironic picture you posted
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>>257493007
>almost nothing that was introduced in gameplay/lore/enemies/anything carried over into any mario game ever.
>Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, Birdo, and Pokeys
dude
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>>257493709
The fuck are you even going on about?
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>>257493012
the worst part about my post is that you know someone, somewhere basically has this bio for their Lucario OC
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Naw man my uncle is Shigeru.
He gon put Ripper Roo, that fire guy from Bionicle, Beethoven, and GI Joe in.
Trust me, I got an inside source ;)
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>>257481919
Best roster ive ever seen. 99% perfect. all it needs is Rayman now
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>>257493520
>>257493757
Forgot about pokeys and Birdo.

Though birdo is only spin offs.

I you're right about some enemies carrying over.

Does not change the fact that SMB2 was not originally a SMB game.

>>257493773
Toad can throw the farthest in SMB2.
Because toad's sprite replaced someone who is strong.
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>>257481919
replace bowser jr with waluigi and we're gold
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>there will be a real leak someday but we'll never know
>there may have been a real leak already but we'll never know
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>>257489232
Just random Pokemon who had Wiki pages made for them
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>There is a distinct possibility that if Mewtwo returns, it'll be the female one from the newer movies instead of the male one from the earlier ones and Melee

>Regardless, the English version probably won't have any spoken lines, let alone having the first movie's VA
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>>257484556
>>257491605
>>257494175
>>257494287
i would have waluigi instead of bj but hes literally the only mario contender that hasn't been deconfirmed already.

If i were to put mach rider there would have to be 3 other reps too to make things fit. I'm trying to keep it realistic.
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>>257494751

Don't believe a fucking thing until you see at least some visual proof beyond a roster screen.
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>>257480136
>Mewtwo is coming back. It’s based on the one in the movie last year, so it’s more feminine than the one in Melee. It has the same moves as Melee Mewtwo, except its Down Special is now a reflective barrier. It Mega Evolves into its Y form for its Final Smash.

Oh boy!
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>>257495045

While I don't doubt the possibility of a Mega Evolution Final Smash, I get the feeling it'll be an X Final Smash so it can keep the same animations. If it turns into Y, it'll be to do some special attack and then revert.
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>>257495045
can't wait for the porn
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>>257495045
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OP, don't be fuck
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>>257495513
Same.
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>>257488331
>no Big Boss
>no Lord Fredrick
>no M:OM Ridley Clone
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>>257496403
>Sakurai

>Giving a shit about Mario, Samus, Link, Megaman, and Pit.

If you REALLY wanted to hurt him you would have just gotten Palutena. Shit man, do your research.
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>no Ridley
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>>257490270
>muh loli waifu
>muh starter patterns
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>tfw no protoman skin for megaman
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>>257497575
>Protoman without his shield
>Protoman using Megaman's attacks
>skin that's an entirely different character
No thank you.
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>>257498175
>skin that's an entirely different character
Lucina was going to be a Marth alt.
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>>257498485
BUT
SHE
ISN'T
NOW
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That's bullshit but I'll believe it.

I'm really thirty for new smash info
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>>257498632
and its pretty bullshit
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>>257480202
>as does the Advance Wars troops

I don't even believe you, but this is my worst nightmare for AW in SSB4. No stage, no rep, and still the same old half-assed shitty AT. At least give us Andy for pete's sake.
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>>257498485
Yeah, and I'm glad they changed that. Good call. Even if they hadn't, she at least uses the name Marth, so it's technically correct for her to be listed that way.
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>>257498632
PROTOMAN SEPARATE CHARACTER!!!
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>>257488962
For you, maybe, I'm pretty satisfied with this
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>>257499754
Why?
It's a bunch of Pseudo clones
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>>257480136
Would have been 10/10 had you not ignored this majestic beast, he deserves a role before medusa ever would.
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>>257500237
Only Dixie.
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>>257500268
never realized how goddamn weird looking hades is
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>>257500975
Yeah, he's pretty weird from the neck down, but his personality more than makes up for an weird questionable attire.
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>>257501486
>personality
>discord
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>>257487682

Pikachu's always been good, do you live under a rock you idiot?
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>>257480136
>final smash is monado speed

nigga please
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>>257488523
>>257491774

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/04/the-secret-history-of-super-mario-bros-2/

Educate yourself, dumbass.
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>>257481919
Replace Dixie with K.Rool and Ghirahim with Porky and then we're in business.
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Troy Baker assist trophy when?
Captcha: nova nforvil
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>>257502750
Arlon is Troy too
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>>257480202
>People STILL insist on including Chorus Men in their fake leaks even after Gematsu was BTFO long ago
Fucking why?
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>>257480136
>Mewtwo is coming back. It’s based on the one in the movie last year, so it’s more feminine than the one in Melee

that's worse than not bringing him back at all
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>>257489827
It surprises me that people don't like playing as the jiggs. So fun
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>>257504494
Smash Run enemy from Rhythm Heaven.
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>>257505497
Yeah, so Rhythm Heaven might get a rep, but why the shit would it be Chorus Men instead of the mascot girl, Marshal, or Karate Joe? People only acknowledge the Chorus Men specifically as a possibility because of Gematsu.
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>>257480202
Was really believing this until chorus kids.
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September 13th couldn't come soon enough
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>>257480873
Metroid hasn't had a new game since Other M, so I highly doubted they would get one anyway.
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>>257481396
>Not realizing Ridley would be simply fucking horrible
>Not understanding that Ridley was all but confirmed for a stage boss in the Nintendo Direct

God I hate Ridleyfags
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>>257480136
No.
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>>257507568
>Metroid hasn't had a new game since Other M, so I highly doubted they would get one anyway.
That was only four years ago. We're not necessarily getting any Metroid newcomers, but the series is hardly dead and buried.
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>>257485514
I agree charizard x looks a lot better, but in game charizard x is shit compared to y
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>>257489360
Feel the same way yo, Mega Man instantly sold me
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>>257508056
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of most of the 2d Metroids and I think there should be/will be a new one within the next couple years.

But Other M fucking murdered a lot of people's interest in the series and unless they figure out a way to erase it in canon I don't think any more Metroid will sell extremely well.
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>>257480136
>>257480202
i want to believe ;_;
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>>257480136
>>257480202
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>>257500268
I wouldn't mind it being Medusa over Hades if it meant Hades got to banter on a stage.
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