zero and m2k are like best friends. the score is already 2-0, m2k only busts out captain falcon when he wants to fuck around and have fun because hes getting shit on by zero's pit
if you pause during a match you dont get disqualified, you lose a stock
in a situation like this where it was fucking hype and everyone loves watching falcon, no one gave a shit, not even the guy he was playing
They also proceeded to get first place in the Doubles PM tourney at the same place together.
To be honest, the team should have stopped with Roy and Mewtwo. There is a paradox with adding newcomers. If you add in who people want, you end up pandering to a vocal minority and losing the flavor and feel of a Sakurai roster. If you try to make a Sakurai roster, your picks come under scrutiny for being too obscure, especially if you fail.
In short, you can't appease everyone,
and the Smash/PM fans have the worst taste in newcomers.
Smash fans care. Half the fun of these new installments is seeing what characters come out of nowhere to fill the roster, and discovering new characters/franchises to enjoy. None of the PM picks fulfill that except maybe the AW rep. They're just shitty mature kid picks on par with Geno and Ridley.
Project M isn't for Smash Fans, it's for tourney scene Melee fans. At this point there's no point in catering to "real" Smash fans because SSB4 is around the corner.
In any case I definitely agree that the newcomers are most likely going to be completely soulless and strictly practical with no interesting gimmicks, quirks, or unique qualities whatsoever.
He's getting shit on by Zero being an above average player and Pit's automatic combos that you can't possibly get out of.
I hope Pit gets fucked in 3.5 along with all the other gimmicky Brawl characters.
According to >>257313453 we're getting Knuckles, Isaac, and Lyn. I've also seen talk about Skull Kid and Sami from Advance Wars.
I agree, characters will sacrifice diversity for technical skill (possibly due to engine limits) and be a mix of the safest and worst picks in Smash history.
I would assume that they are going to have plenty of interesting gimmicks and unique qualities because then there'd be no point in adding them.
And everyone in PM has gimmicks.
those "tourneyfags" are the only ones that actually love the game enough to play it all these years (and even brawl and n64 too)
they're the ones that are guaranteed sales for every smash related thing that will ever come out
Here's a template I forgot to save the better one.
/v/ is reactionary to loud fanbases. Back in 2007, tourney people had a few obnoxious people in the community who made everyone look bad. This upset autists here, and they've gone off at them every time.
Really, the angry kids here act more obnoxious than the worst tourneys ever did. They cry about them being "entitled", yet they spent thousands of hours rebuilding a game to have the standards of a better game.
Because it's catering to the competitive scene. And about half of /v/ hates the smash competitive scene. Personally I really enjoy it. New physics, new moves, each character is viable for all levels of playstyle which means a new metagame to learn.
Doesn't mean I'll stop playing melee or brawl. Those games give me a slice of fun PM can't deliver.
I hope so badly they just Add pichu with a whole new move set to make him actually good.
If they've already brought Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, and Roy back I don't see why they shouldn't go all the way and add Pichu back.
We don't need Young Link because Toon Link is an alright substitute.
Couldnt decide on a main for P:M. I play all 3 about the same amount
Not really. Valve eventually released a version of CS that doesn't require a copy of Half-Life. We have yet to see Nintendo collaborate with the Project M devs to make a version of Project M that doesn't require a Brawl disc.
Forget what's being added, I'm more concerned on what's being tweaked. Why are they nerfing recoveries? I think they're fine, even the tetherers. When someone's recovering, I go in deep and finish them off with wellplaced aerials.
its a rebalance
knuckles would be cool doe
You guys have no idea how hard it is to hit a facon punch on someone like that. Not only that, its obvious they were just doing frendlies at that point in the set. M2K knows when to give it rest when fighting other competent players.
yes, make his body smaller so it doesnt matchup to hitboxes
I'd rather have him as a new character who has a charge mechanic like lucas only it lasts 10 seconds or some shit for all of his moves
I played more for fun, but these are the consistent picks.
first of all, smash doesn't have to follow rules of the games it has mashed together
second of all, having pichu as somenoe who is easily KO able but can do the same to you if you fuck up is a reasonable balance, only unlike jigglypuff you aren't relying on 4 moves and being campy.
he's cool and all, but I just can't get into him.
visually he is twitchy, which I understand is his gimmick to trick opponents, but I end up just feeling really really odd.
just not for me sadly
who cares if they do
nobody wants to play brawl, and even calling it a brawl mod just makes it feel dirty and stained
why are they adding skins as updates? everyone just adds their own easily, and half the "official project m skins" suck ass.
I'm tired of replacing shitty butterfly meta knight with galactic knight. and now i'm going to have to do the same with shogun dedede to masked dedede instead.
he doesn't have to happen
the discussion was about IF he were to be readded, how would we balance him to not be utter shit, but not just be pikachu.
yes but it requires doing some stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDimYLTYKsI
there is a homebrew version as well, but go find that shit yourself
because they can add extra costume slots without replacing others, as well as being able to change sound effects and visual effects.
adding custom costumes off the vault can be finicky because they can cause lagg if not created properly. with the alt costumes they make sure there is no lag from using them.
also when you have 50 people and only half of them do coding and stuff, you gotta give people something to do, so why not?
Looks like Luigi is getting buffs for Smash 4 too.
I bet you type "pizza" if you're looking for local pizzerias as well.
I can't argue about Mewtwo since I've haven't played a good one, but as a pocket Pit his recoveries are fine. Side B has a lot of deceleration on it making him easy to gimp him out the air. Dedede upB needs a nerf though I agree since he can glide toss his waddles.
>404. That’s an error.
>The requested URL /useyourfuckingbrain was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
And an image of a robot fixing something shows up.
This clearly isn't Pit you fucking liar.
>I'm tired of replacing shitty butterfly meta knight with galactic knight. and now i'm going to have to do the same with shogun dedede to masked dedede instead.
Just fucking copy the files you want to keep into the new update. It's easy as shit.
Or do you not know how to handle Brawl files?
sup guys, anyone knows how to change the background of muh project M? like pic related (smash@xanadu one), its for my university smash club
Im serious we're all autistic and have a crew
I've been trying to figure this out myself
if you know how to use brawlbox and download someone else's build you could do it, but they usualy come with other shit
what you have to do is
edit the menu's 3D model
He means classic pit
>why are they adding skins as updates
it brings a level of legitimacy to the project, a lot of their modelers are the best of the best as far as brawl modding goes and their skins are held to higher standard and are better rigged, textured, compressed properly as to not make gameplay lag with 4+ players and with facial animations. Can't say that about most skins available elsewhere.
Masked DeDeDe didn't even have a fix for the jet hammer animation until someone from the PMBR fixed and updated everything about the skin.
>"gave the mask has a much better model, made better textures for the mask and hammer, and made the hammer work properly as a Jet Hammer.
>Obviously, this version is a LOT better than the original import I made."
quote from the original creator of the Masked DeDeDe skin
>the problem is I dont know were the specific background is
because it doesn't exist
you have to add a texture to the 3d model in some shit like blender
I found this out by downloading one of the PM devs builds that he made with tons of character costumes and shit, and the background was called background logo2 or some shit.
I edited it easily but then he had other shit added like meteors falling in the background which I couldn't remove without crashing the game.
any questions I shoot to him he answers really stupidly and for some reason decided to not make a tutorial.
smashboards also doesn't have any tutorials on it as well as any other site I look at. the help section will get no questions answered because its all basic shit that is repeatedly asked.
I'd say either fuck around with blender or something, edit someone's build, or give up on it and just have your regular thing.
But that's like, totally just your opinion man.
because the only one left is Pichu and they only have 5 slots left
The only characters in the Melee trailer that weren't in Melee are Ridley, Wolf, and Samurai Goroh. Wolf being already in brawl, that leaves Ridley and Samurai Goroh. And then there's pichu.
no moves other then being a big dragonlike thing
charizard is good enough
black shadow would work better since he could replace ganon as Cfalcons clone, and give ganon a new moveset
discussion earlier in thread
oh shit, I didn't think anyone actually made a good Samurai Kirby remix. This shit is hype as fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaQxhjxaAk
This is one stage I actually wouldn't mind at all as a Final Destination clone.
these matches would be a much higher skill level if the items were on and they were playing on real maps
Why simplify the game? is it too hard for them?
no wonder people always make fun of super smash bros "pros" they can't even play their own game unless its on easy mode
They did play with items for a long time.
Turns out items aren't complex in the slightest and turn every match into a campfest.
Furthermore they limit the amout of viable characters a considerable amount.
this is bait but I'll awnser it anyways
items means more fox and sonic
first pickup wins
"real maps" will just have both people camping in safe areas where the other person cannot approach them without dieing.
play the game yourself
this one brings the hype in smashville at my university
I ended up using "Break the Targets!" instead.
Better question, though. what should I replace Mike's Song, Ashley's Song, and Mona Pizza with? (JP version to.)
Why don't they play the true test of skill?
Super smash bros Trainer mode
Only pokeballs enabled
I'm curious? What do you find to be good about items?
Most of them are shit, and boring to use. The only ones that are any kind of fun are ones that create some kinda of mayham, like pokeballs, and bumpers. Any item that you pick up and swing is automatically not fun at all, and a lot of them are flat out useless.
I used that song for Metal Mario's stage
It fits the atmosphere for that stage more than warioware
my brstm list for WarioWare:
M01 Stonecarving City - WarioLand Shake-It
M02 Plumber's Cave - WarioLand Shake-It!
M08 Hurry-Up!!! - WarioLand 4
M07 Greenhorn Forest - Wario World
M06 Glittertown - WarioLand Shake-It!
M05 Boo Night Fever - Mario Sticker Star
M04 Waluigi Pinball
M03 Topaz Passage - WarioLand 4
>Replacing Wario Ware Inc.
For what purpose?
>actually using the smash instead of juggling it off of people's faces as well as juggling it off the floor in place with aerial glide tossing
look at this pleb getting no kills
Pokeballs/ Assist Trophies are
Powerups are a cool balance-shifter, especially the ones that can backfire
Most melee weapons are better thrown, and the baka fan is a cheesefest
Guns are alright I guess
Healing items are annoying, maxim tomatoes in partucular
Bombs and hammers are pretty much a requirement to turn off
Bumper is best item
Problem is there is no reason to ever actually use an item. They're all best used as projectiles despite whatever their actual purpose may be and that's fucking boring. I want to play Smash Bros, not an item chucking simulator. Items are fun in moderation but they aren't objectively better than without items like some people try to say.
I thought most people played without items anyway, nobody I knew ever used them seriously.
I like throwing stuff at people, that is literally it. Tossing a Home Run Bat at someone who is trying to get back on the stage from halfway across the screen is a fucking glorious feeling, to me at least.
I think it's got a lot to do with Brawl's default items. I hate the dragoon pieces, TWO different hammers, homerun bat takes too much time to use etc
I'll go back and play 64 and the items are a blast to use. Not only are they fun but the SOUNDS are so much more satisfying. Brawl's items sounds barely make noise.
>actual brawl is not fun
the terrible terrible nerfs to samass and falcon
>All the characters you main have 0-1 faggot points
>Looking up music for the wario land stage.
>Find Wario De Mambo
IT'S STUCK IN MY HEAD AGAIN
sorry that I had to make them small
I really need to get around to learning how to make webMs
unless you think "good" = "super fucking annoying and gay"
why would you want to?
but yes you could, but like the others before you it would get no results
>mfw tourneyfags dont even make up 1% of the sales of smash
>mfw they want everything catered to them
>mfw they still buy the new versions anyway
who gives a shit about what they want? let them play their dinosaur games, they are a minority that impacts sales
even if you're kidding, you're being a faggot
does anyone have that gif where yoshi is fighting i think fox and hes at like 100% and fox is at like 20%, and yoshi gets knocked almost out of bounds and flies back up and grabs fox shits him out and gets back on the ledge?
>even if you're kidding
I'm not kidding, I'm dead serious.
>This is 4chan, dude
>So I'm sure even if they could find something they won't.
That really sucks, isn't there anything we could do?
no problem man
she might feel less floaty in brawl because of everyone's jumphight being pretty big.
her jump hight didn't really change much, but her fallspeed did. she is much more floaty then the majority of the melee and PM cast, but not too much more floaty then other characters in brawl.
she just seems more floaty when you compare her to other characters
I still struggle with bomb jumping in brawl just because of how hard it is to keep her straight
okay I'll bite
what's your motivation for wanting to prevent people from playing PM?
>that's why we aren't trying
Well help an anon out then, what could someone do to get a similar outcome of a cease and desist?
>I'm pretty sure nobody's taking him seriously.
It's people like you who block all legitimate discussion on /v/
diehard nintards in a nutshell imo. Doesn't matter since the community brought it up to nintendo at the E3 event and they said they weren't going to do anything about it eitherway. Will not support or condemn it.
just don't play it and buy smash4 instead
you really need to be a better troll
>Coney Wario vs Junebug Ganon Grand Finals
>tfw i play jiggly and my friend plays diddy
I am not trolling.
I am legitimately trying to help gaming and improve our standards.
Together /v/ could work out a solution which is the equivalent to a cease and desist.
>I am legitimately trying to help gaming and improve our standards
then you would play the PM over brawl
>Professor Pro Owns Everyone.mp4
Let's discuss something actually important.
The best skins for each character.
I'll start with a few.
Mario: Fireflower mario
Fox: Green melee fox
Falco: Blue melee fox
Game and Watch: Dark BLue
Snake: Snow camo
Peach: Foreflower peach
Link: Red OoT tunic
its possible that that will happen anyways without our help, but if you don't buy Smash 4 and you lend a lot of incredibly vocal support to P:M than you may be doing your part to destroy the tourneyfag scum once and for all.
Because he was the first "Literally Who?" that didn't have a dedicated vocal minority fanbase like Ness, and was the final unlock of Melee.
He built up his fanbase just by being a quirky character with some unreliable seeming attacks, but the longer you played as him the longer you could control his chaotic movements.
When you think of Mr. Game & Watch in that way - controllable chaos - that's really what Smash is all about, isn't it?
brawl was a gaint middle finger to anybody who cared about gameplay
in other words it was purposefully made to suck balls
pm fixed it to make it a better quality game and be up to standards
please just leave already and seek mental help, because this is a terrible troll, or you are in need of assistance to your sanity
Well I have an idea, it may be risky but it could work.
We e-mail reggie a picture of your mother's proplapsed anus, the same one she used to birth your shitbaby body, along with the caption saying "Project M is directly responsible for my handicap in life... being born as poo-human! A Pooman!(we can add a attach another picture of your disfigured face for more sympathy) Please cease and desist this mod before it has the chance to strike again!"
What do you think guys? I may be on to something
anyone playing this with a xbox controller? how's the corect way to configure it? wavedashing is impossible without correct threshold settings
What does that have anything to with anything?
>please just leave already and seek mental help, because this is a terrible troll, or you are in need of assistance to your sanity
You're projecting pretty hard here mate.
the rule at most Smash tourneys is that the player who didn't pause gets to decide whether or not the person who paused should be penalized
in this particular case, the two people playing are best friends, and the one who didn't pause was already dead so it didn't matter
I main peach and I pick her just to piss off my friends and spam taunt after I kill someone each time. They get mad everytime the play against me too.
I feel like mangos opinion of PM was very accurate to the point of being converted to believing it myself
He sees PM as melee on training wheels. In PM you don't have to put in nearly as much work to get good and it just seems to be for people who want to get good without putting real work in
Also he expresses the game isn't nearly as deep as melee. Having played both games competitively I have to agree. Melee is a much deeper game
Just play melee imo
could you just make a common pac file with a blank texture or the regualr Project M logo for the logo so we can just add it ourselves?
the meta of PM is still very young
melee isnt deeper per say, but right now it is the more competitive game because people know about the majority to what works even if it is still being explored to this day
My buddy is in the back room and says the only new character in 3.5 is pichu bros. They sounded really dumb. As proof... he told me they are going to be showing sonics alt costume on Tuesday.
>this place is supposed to be non-casual
Speak for yourself.
>mango is still salty about ike
he needs to grow the fuck up
I saw a pichu bros moveset over iceclimbers before and the fact that they know how to duplicate the iceclimber's gimmick makes this very possible.
the pichubros moveset was very fun
it's like people never see how much of a step up this is. In terms of melee being viable as a fighter, not even as the competitive fighter people want it to be but a casual, party fighter, PM is still an enormous step up.
Like Jontron said, it feels more like a real Smash game.
So we have a clear goal in order to get PM canned, we can start moving the wheels and get it started.
I'll start things on my end and I appreciate all those ITT who've shown integrity and a higher standard then all those shitposters.
I'll post my results later, but let's just say:
the fire rises.
I actually was able to find a tutorial.
I'd suck your dick if I could anon
Dunno if you're stupid or being obtuse on purpose but it's implied he meant it feels more in line with 64 and Melee as a Smash game and that Brawl didn't reflect the feeling of a Smash game as well as Project M does in that regard.
For certain characters, that does seem to be the case, or at least in the highest level of play for Brawl-introduced characters. You don't have to put in quite the same amount of effort as the characters copied from Melee to get the same skill level, but it's not quite as bad of a gap as people seem to say. It's introduced its own tiers and workings, and has more viability of the entire roster rather than Melee's slim pickings. Not to mention the P:M team recognizes their flaws and is actively trying to fix them for the next update. Melee and P:M were never perfect, but P:M at least has the chance to fix things and listen to fan input. They're the dudes that listen to the top tier players.
They've each got their own flaws. I'm still going prefer P:M because the balance discrepancies aren't all that big when not at a competitive level, and it's more overall balanced rather than half the roster being unusable. It allows you more room to actually pick the playstyle you want, rather than being forced into a small subset. Melee is probably still better for the high tourney-level pros, though.
That's my problem with people saying PM has autocombos. All of the top tiers in Melee had free combos, that's why they were top tier.
The only difference is the execution barrier has been reduced in PM so you can be more consistent.
>8 hammer into 9 hammer
fucking styled on
Everyone in Melee had auto combos or auto kills, like Falcon' up throw/down throw knee. Those were at higher %.
In Project M a lot of characters have auto combos at low %, which isn't too much trouble until you realize they also have guaranteed combos that kill you. It needs fixing. Period.
As if it matters. All basic attacks and combos are rendered completely pointless since you can only kill with le supers.
Not to mention how shitty the menus and ui are, and the fact that over half of the cast are multiplat characters. This really is the epitome of a shameless cashgrab and one of the worst games of last gen.
>Those were at higher %.
Meanwhile you have Math and Shiek chain throwing you from 0%. Jiggly up tilt/up throw rest setups.
And the fact that fast fallers are by far the most commonly played and easiest to combo anyone can get a good combo going up to 60%+ against falco, fox, falcon. And then finish it out a high % auto combo.
Or just knock them off stage and tap em with an edge guard.
You'll be happy with 3.5 Anon. His down tilt and usmash are getting rekt, and his neutral B takes about 3 times as long to fully charge
Also the game feels smoooooooooooooooooth as butter. They did something with the engine to speed up the game.
anon, its the only video I could find in 2 minutes
nigga you crazy.
You can tell to a certain degree what GnW is going to get with his hammer, and most of them are decent at worst.
9 is godlike
8 is best edge guard in the game, even if they aren't in the air you can free them and quickly hit them off the edge for a kill anyways
7 is a good kill move
6 decent knockback at a low angle good for killing decent % people
5 is pretty bad
3 Shield breaker its alright
2 Stun is good
1 does 1 damage with no knockback or hitstun and hurts you for 10%
If you know you are getting an even number next you have a 50% chance for a good edge guard move. That a lone is pretty useful. And if you actually keep track of the dots above your hammer you can narrow down what you are going to hit with next so you can predict when it's a good time to use side b.
A fair, or f smash is almost always better than it though, it's mostly just for fun or desperation.
>tfw you were the lone fan of the gbc game and watch games
>tfw game and watch in melee
I was a happy teenager
>More character balance, still being worked on
>Returning stages from 64/Melee and a few competitive stages added.
>Mewtwo + Roy
I don't really play tournament style, but turbo mode with Mewtwo is fun as hell.
I play Ike for fun as a side character. He's too much fun on large stages, quick draw wave dashs, quick draw grabs, quick draw up smashs, actual quick draw aerials.
And nothing is more satisfying than edge guarding with a fully charged fsmash.
I'm hopeful, I guess. If he's still terrible even with some of the custom moves and etc. then I'll just have to go play someone else. Sheik looked pretty fun in SSB4 and who knows how the other characters like Ike, Lucina, or
Falconwork right now.
Alright, quick question (namely for anons who know their shit when it comes to vidya developing): Would the reintroduction of momentum conservation take up too much dev time? Or is it just a matter of a quick readjustment of values or some shit?
no, but it should be in the game engine to begin with, they just have to mess with the floats on every character to exaggerate it in this case
unless that part of the physics engine is not in there, and they have to add it in to the engine, that will take awhile considering doing any hard work on the foundation engine introduces fuck tons of bugs for hard code
I don't know. But i doubt it will be change. It was intentionally like that in brawl and it will still be like that in 4.
It's the way Sakurai wants his game to be, while I don't agree with them there isn't much I can do about it.
GO TO THESE VIDEOS, OR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SKIM A VIDEO
AND SELECT FIVE CHARACTERS TO ADD TO PM
I would give them $500 if they added kyle hide.
>that will take awhile considering doing any hard work on the foundation engine introduces fuck tons of bugs for hard code
Damn, well here's to hoping that it's already in the physics engine and that Samurai is willing to use it gain.
Which ever DK rep doesn't get added to Smash 4
Pichu or Waluigi. Don't really care at that point.
Good thing the game in question is Brawl then.
>He's never seen Vermanubis/DLA play Ganon
Ganon Gauntlet is pretty fun too.
I had fun playing him, but then again most of the people I played against weren't exactly pros. Jumping and thunder stomping, maybe with some other moves occasionally. Playing against Falco wasn't fun though, but I despise Brawl Falco anyways.
You might be the biggest faggot in this thread, and that's saying something
Even if that does happen, everyone still has a copy. It will still be played. Unless you think Nintendo has the ability to come to everyone's house and clear our SD cards.
Not to mentioned they would have to shut down the entire Brawl/Melee mod community otherwise another mod would probably step up like
It's like you faggots want this thread to be derailed again