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>>257259760
> :)
Fuck off.
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>shopped interface
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Apparently a guy on facepunch imported a freely availabe 3d map of entire Paris into the new Hammer Editor and it worked. 1.3 km x 1.6 km big map.
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Atleast post something interesting you smileyfag
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>>257261241
the kit has been out only for 3 days
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>>257259760
What?
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>>257261972
aw yis

thick shrek pocky
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>>257259760
Pillar beta is out?

Is that for a special tier or anyone who backed it can get it?
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>this whole thread
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>reposting shit from yesterdays threads
no one cares unless there is new development.
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Nice, this is lookin pretty go-
>that statue on the right
Why is it so flat?
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>>257262417
what the fuck is your problem you underage edgy fedorafaggot memekid??

go back to gaiadditgaf you autismal mongoloid inbred retard
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>>257262452
Remind us again what happened?
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>>257259831
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME
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>>257259760
ehuehuehuehueheuheuheheue
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>>257262670
Go check the archive.
TL;DR: Dota 2 is getting custom game support
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>>257262670
Nothing, he's just being a retard
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>>257262762
>>257262831

Ahh I see. Thanks anons.
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get hype

Should I have cereal or go to the deli and get a triple decker grilled cheese?
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>>257262452
We don't all sit here on /v/ every waking hour you sad bastard.
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Have they done anything for the performance as of late? I tried back in the days when Shadow Demon and OD were new and it was unplayable on my laptop.
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>>257263009
even if you don't sit here all day, we still have an archive.
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>>257263180
it's even worse, every patch has new problems but no problems get fixed
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>>257263180
Game runs on toasters as of right now, if your laptop can't run it then I'm pretty sure it can't even handle TF2.
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Fight of Characters when?
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>>257263372
My laptop can run TF2 fine, DOTA2 didn't run well because of it being a beta I imagine. I'll download it and give it a go anyway, 15 fps is better than none at all.
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>>257260039
it's not really magic. there are a lot of model formats around, but in the entire world like 99.5% will use one of 6-8 popular once. I wrote an engine for my thesis a while ago that supported all of them. you can probably download any map/model in .obj/.fbx/.3ds/.dae/.max and load it into hammer
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>>257263221
Yeah of course every time someone wants to visit /v/ they first check every post in the archive since their last visit. I'm sure that's what you do right?
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I just want Legion TD.
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>>257263849
>hurr what are you guys talking about im not here everyday
>instead of checking the image names in the archives and figure out what's goign on, let me sperg out as soon as someone doesnt spoonfeed me
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>Go to download mod tools
>64 bit only
>...Never mind then
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>>257264039
wot?
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>>257264048
We already discussed the topic of checking the archive several times in other threads which you would know if you had checked the archive. Now fuck off.
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>>257263548
>TF2
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>>257264116
upgrade from xp idiot
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>>257264116
What's your excuse for not having a 64-bit OS in 2014?
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>>257264432
>>257264372

I've got W7 32 bit. I come from the stone age where 64-bit was incompatible with everything except photoshop, and I never bothered reinstalling to get 64 bit.
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>>257264116
>Go to download mod tools
>64 bit only
>...Never mind then
32 bit version is coming, be patient. This version is beta, Valve themselves said that they have not done the optimalization, and that they are aware the tools are at this point needlessly hardware-intensive. 32-bit support is promised in near future.
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The only thing slightly ruining this for me is that it hasn't got that nostalgic warcraft 3 vibe for me since the models and artstyle are the subjectively worse dota2-style.

I wish that Dota 2 never existed standalone, but as a map for Warcraft 4.
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>>257264369
???
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>>257263180
Source 2 Dota 2 client now runs at 64-bit, optimized for machines with more than 4 cores now, and has actual DX11 support.

Expect better performance and improved visual effects if you're running on a 64-bit DX11 GPU enabled machine, if not then this doesn't apply to you. The game runs fine on older machines right now, hence why so many Dota fans are from third world countries.
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>>257264749
They pretty much are the Warcraft 3 models but slightly redesigned.

Crystal Maiden is literally a Jaina clone but with blue lipstick.
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>>257264926
I know, but it's not the same. Blizzard-games have a very specific vibrance in their artstyle. Dota2 goes in a different direction.
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>>257265190
so what

you can literally change anything with the hammer kit anyway
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>>257259760
Oh my god yes.

All we need now is a paperdoll thing whete you can equip items and shit and we can make rpgs
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>>257265282
That was not my point. Stop necroing the thread OP
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>>257264749
>Warcraft 4


>four campaigns
>each campaign comes as a 'stand-alone' game like they do in starcraft 2
>each costs 40 bucks

>play orc, human or undead in multiplayer!
>night elf is playable in 15$ day1 dlc

>cash shop to unlock maps for multiplayer

no thanks
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>>257265484
> Stop necroing the thread
I don't think you understand what this means
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>>257264749
>Warcraft 4
Just let it go man, even if it was released today then it would get the same treatment as Starcraft 2.

>Map Editor content you create is owned by Blizzard
>Yearly overpriced expansion packs
>Game would be much closer to a MOBA than an actual RTS game
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>>257265741
alright i'm locking this thread, use the search function next time
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>>257265535
This is a load of bullshit.

Blizzard never did DLC.
The cash-shop is extremely irrelevant for the actual game.
And the campaigns of SC2 were each as long as 3 campaigns of WC3.
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>>257264673
What,because you think a 64bit OS can only run 64bit applications?
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>>257265754
>>257265535

>mfw I missed out on Warcraft 3 when it was big and will never get to cut my teeth on a worthy successor
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>>257264673
64 bit has always been able to run 90% of 32 bit programs.
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>>257265934
>Those forums where people bitch about both necoring and making new threads about old subjects.
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>>257264749
>Warcraft 4
For that to happen, we'd need Blizzard to start releasing good games again.
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>>257265934
why you mad tho
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>>257266195
How about no?
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>>257264749

If there was a Warcraft IV, it would be a console RTS, so Halo Wars with heroes. It would also follow WoW's lore.
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>>257265954
>blizzard never did DLC
pic related
>cash-shop is extremely irrelevant
not according to what they are doing in WoW's cash shop right now
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>>257264673
>32-bit

Why?

As far as I can tell, PC hardware has been exclusively 64-bit for the last 5 or 6 years, maybe more
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>>257265481
Just need to make the item slots only able to equip certain items and change the UI.
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>>257266443
>that screenshot

Surely that's fa--

>it's not fake
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>>257265954
>The cash-shop is extremely irrelevant for the actual game

ever played WoW?

>new at the blizzard cash shop: boost a new character to max level! only 20$!
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>>257266443

Not to defend Blizzard or Diablo III, but is that just a cosmetic?
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>>257265754

>Map Editor content you create is owned by Blizzard

You can thank Dota2 for that.
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>>257266652
You're telling wrong
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>>257266905
It is & comes free with all PS4 version's anyway
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>>257266905
Transmog shit is cosmetic yeah. You transfer the stats of existing armor onto the new cosmetic piece.
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>>257264673
I have a fucking toaster and it's running 64.
Why haven't you joined the bot net
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>>257266961
It was in WC3 map editor license agreement since launch, long before DotA existed, blizzshill. Go fuck yourself.
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>>257264749
>since the models and artstyle are the subjectively worse
lmao
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>>257267294

Because I can't be bothered finding a cracked copy of Windows and reinstalling and losing all my save games and shit. Why did this derail the thread so badly
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>>257267314
What the hell? WC3 didn'T have that. If it had, DOTA2 would be property of Blizzard.
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>>257267462
Yeah, I say subjectively because they are worse FOR ME. Is that so hard to understand?
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>>257266980

Name one consumer-grade CPU released in the last 6 years that hasn't been 64-bit.
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>>257265535
>implying starcraft 2 style campaigns for warcraft wouldn't be stupidly fun and way better than the WC3 style

No really, it would be fucking boss, in and out of map ways to customise your heroes, possible ways to customise your army and have them carry over, shit would be fucking amazing.
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>>257267515
Dumb tripfag moron. Why would Blizzard try to sue Valve then, if they had no option about content owned?
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>>257267887
They tried to sue them because the models in DOTA2 are slightly reskinned and remodeled WC3 modesl? Idiot.
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>>257267887
because dota was created using warcraft units and valve basically remade them
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>>257267515
Which is exactly why they had to change Venomancer, Skeleton King (RIP Boner king), Pudge, Brewmaster, Ember Spirit, Earth Spirit, and Storm Spirit, as all 4 used the Panderan Model. as well as the names of Outworld Devourer and Windrunner (Outworld Destroyer and Windranger now)

Additionally, DOTA2 is not an acronym. It doesn't stand for Defense of the Ancients 2, because Valve doesn't legally own that acronym. If Blizzard saw fit, they could make a game called Defense of the Ancients 2.

In conclusion, you're wrong.
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>>257260312
>Dota was made with Warcraft engine
>Now they're making Warcraft with the Dota engine
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Speaking of Blizzard & mods

I wish we got mod tools for Diablo 3, but no Blizzard have to be jews
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>>257268309

>Uncharted was a ripoff of Tomb Raider
>Now Tomb Raider is a ripoff of Uncharted
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>>257268301
You are 100% correct, but you are discussing with me about a topic which I don't dissagree with.

The initial topic was that SC2 has a function which prevents ur mum from reproducing lol hahahaha i dont get it why is my shit so yellow I hope nobody smells ur mum she reads books by edgar alan POO hahahahah
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>>257266961
Blizzard are arrogant idiots. Valve saw this and took the huge pile of cash right under their noses.

To think that back in 2007 Icefrog approached Blizzard to create a stand-alone DoTA game and they declined. How stupid can you be ? It is not like the damn thing became bigger than WC3 itself.
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>>257267634
aye
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>>257268130
>>257268218
Can't stand fucking summer faggots on this board.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Valve-Settle-DOTA-Lawsuit-42430.html
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>>257267515
>>257267887
>>257268301

You guys do know the blizzard lawsuit was about keeping it all pubic, so no one owns it right?
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so dota sp? i may finally play it
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>>257263848
You have to compile them with Quake code first, or atleast you used to. I dont know about now.
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>>257268697
Not that simple, Icefrog wanted full creative control, even though he wasn't the original creator of DOTA, he just contributed to the project

Pre Acti-Blizz had insanely high standards, they were not going to allow some random modder to be the head of a project, Valve on the other hand based their entire company post Half life around buying out mods, so Iceforg & Valve were a perfect match
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>>257268309
>WC4 that is good might happen
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>>257268301
>>257268696
Are you fucking serious? That is bullshit, Blizzard sued Valve about name "DotA". Their point was: Dota is created on WC3 engine editor, so as we own any content created, its ours. And they fucking lost. Because it is as dumb as you are.

Seriously, owning 4 shitty words combination? What next, blizzard owns pandas, skeletons, spirits? Are you that fucking retarded?

Valve used that SK model for 3 years and they changed it for one reason - they don't want anything to be associated with Blizzard. They could keep it, because it is a fucking SKELETON, and it is not something you could copyright on this fucking planet. At least for now. You think Blizzard owns word "Windrunner"? God, just go fucking kill yourself, I can't stand it. It is not fucking "Samsung" or mcfucking "McDonalds"
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>>257269080

After what Valve did with CS and TF, you would think that Blizzard would have saw that and been like "shit, maybe we should do that with DotA?"
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>>257269080
>he just contributed to the project
That's putting it very lightly.

He was in full control after Guinsoo left, which is arguably the best thing that happened to DOTA. Unless you like broken as fuck heroes with 20 second stuns and shit like that.
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>>257269080
Icefrog managed to turn an imbalanced mess of a mod into one that, again, became bigger than WC3.

The only reason why I think they did not relinquish full creative control was because DoTA goes against the entire Blizzard philosophy of "easy to play, hard to master". To this day it is a hard game even with the buttload of guides which we didn't have back in 2006.
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>>257269516
They are entirely corporate now. You can't just change that overnight. Too many people are involved in their games now.
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>>257269490
What the fuck? Why are you quoting >>257268696
?

Did you even read that comment?
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>>257269490
> And they fucking lost. Because it is as dumb as you are.
Why did valve change Windranger to Windrunner?
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>>257269490
you have no idea how bad copyright laws are
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>>257269490
You haven't a single clue how these things work, do you?
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>>257269729
>you are 100% correct
What part me not agreeing with that moron supporting another full retard monkey is hard for your understanding?
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>>257269798
They changed Windrunner to Windranger because they were getting pressured by Blizzard because of their upcoming ASSFAGGOTS.

Ignore the Anon you're responding to. This is common knowledge, and he's a retard.
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>>257269951
Just read the whole comment you dingus.
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>>257264673
>W7 64-bit
>incompatible with most of x84 programs
What a load of fucking bullshit
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>>257269798
Windrunner is under copyright protection. This is common sense.
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>>257260525
how.
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>>257269798
They have characters with the surname Windrunner.
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>>257265481
it's a photoshopped image
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>>257269798

Because one of Blizzard's most prominent characters has the surname Windrunner.
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>>257269901

And you have no idea what mis en scene is.
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>>257263180
just max render quality and resolution and put everything else in lowest. Looks crisp and should run at 60 fps on every TI calculator.
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>>257269798
Because of picrelated. And you think they did it because Blizzard can sue em? No, just because dota1 characters were based on a lot of persons from another universes, and Valve wants to get rid of that, it is a serious game now, not a shitty wc3 mod with lack of imagination.

BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM TO DO IT, YOU AUTISTIC IMBECILE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT WIND, OR FUCKING RUNNING, OR COMBINATION OF TWO COMMON WORDS, YOU PIECE OF STUPID MONKEY SHIT.

God, fucking educate yourselves.
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>>257264116
How dumb is that kid god damn.
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>>257269490
You are now aware that the company King (creaters of the game "Candy Crush Saga") now own the rights to the word "Candy". So yes, it's not outlandish that Valve would have to change the names of characters like Windrunner, change skill names (Windwalk is never mentioned in DOTA2), and change character models.
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>>257269991
>getting pressured by Blizzard
You seriously think someone can call a hero "Airplane" and then sue everyone for using a word "Airplane"?

Well, you are even dumber than I ever could imagine.
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>>257260312
Why is the death knight a summon-able hero for Human?
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>>257270441
>9-28 damage
is having a dice system lighter on the computer of is that a leftover from the DND times?
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>>257270470
It's a prank, they told him it was kinder surprise. Poor guy
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>>257270441
That is beyond retarded.

To go and change the name just because someone else somewhere else might have the same name.

Will we see Lina get a namechange as soon as possible, too?

I refuse to believe you.
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>>257270441
Prince is a copyrighted word by a publisher, its a pretty common word
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>>257270175
>>257270217
>>257270261
I can't understand now, if this board is full summer retardness or I am just being trolled. Whatever, I am fucking out, you made me mad, good job. Fucking murriclaps with iq under 15.
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>>257270762
Yeah, and he's fucking dumb nigger
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>>257270748
It's to make autists like you upset. Get over it. You can play games even with random elements, and you can git gut at them too.
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>>257270441
Yea you can copyright that shit, if you can prove that it's vital to the idea behind it
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>>257270441
Look, I used to work for an insolvency practitioner, specialised in IP and patent law.

The name "Aleria Windrunner" is under copyright protection because it is part of copyrighted peace of intellectual property. Get it ? You can use "Running like the wind" or "Windyrunner" but you cannot use "Windrunner" especially for an archer character.

The whole DoTA debacle happened because the map wasn't under copyright and you cannot copyright an idea. The only thing they can defend is the use of art assets which Valve aren't using since they created their own models.
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>>257270905
I think you don't understand how the world works
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>>257270914
Just compare it to WC3. The spreads are 80% lower there. Why have such an insanely big spread
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>>257270905
>eurofags in charge of knowing retarded murrica copyright laws

ayy lmao
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>>257260679
> surf maps in dota
How do you even control it?
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>>257270561
Yeah, go suck a dick, first google link:

http://www.themarysue.com/candy-crush-gives-up-trademark-fight/
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>>257270635
>Name is Windrunner
>it's common knowledge she's based on Windrunner
>in a game that's a spinoff of your copyrighted game that had Windrunner
>not a clear cut case of copyright infringement
You really have no idea how copyright laws work, do you?
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>>257259831

Can't fucking believe the source is still able to pump up shit that looks so comfy, I want someone to use dota2 to create an RPG where you just fuck around in the forests and kill shit, then at night you just retire in your home, pump some fire and then relax in the fucking cabin while wolves howl at the moon or some shit.
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>>257271159
I have no idea

ask the creator
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>>257259760
>600 hours in dota 2
>get bored of mobas, besides awesomenauts of all things.
>months later
>see these pictures

This looks boss. How do i get in on this new shit? don't tell me its related to that compendium thing... What are the best ones to play?
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>>257271037

Its a hero, a better version of a normal archer. Its to give her the possibility to do lots of additional damage but not make her an insta win unit that 1-2 shots everything. WC2 was the last good warcraft btw.
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>>257270778

No if it was some mercenary with the name of windrunner, I'm sure nothing would happen. But if you make a female archer with the name windunner it bears to many resemblences to the blizzard windrunners, and therefore can make a case as to how it may have breached your copywrite.
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>>257271380
op's pic is photoshopped

source 2 hammer kit came out 3 days ago

meaning you can mod literally anything in dota now

literally

anything

mods with new models, particle effects, animations, gameplays, etc

it'll take time
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>>257271380
Read the fucking thread, you aspie.
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>>257264372
Not that anon but I also have a win7 32bit, im to lazy to pirate a 64bit version and find the loader or what ever it's called, id proberbly have to reinstall all my drivers to and that's to much effort.
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>>257271209
Glad I actually read articles

>However, as the above statement notes, King’s still gunning for that trademark over in Europe. So get on those candy-themed apps, European game developers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2y12kv-n-o
Could they make a dota 2 mod mixed with the gameplay of this level??
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>>257270778
But Lina was already renamed due to copyright
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>>257270778
It is already changed, faggy. It was Lina Inverse, The Slayer.

http://www.playdota.com/heroes/slayer

Some shitty anime trash reference.

Now it is just Lina. And it is ok, because why would Valve have a dumb reference simulator while it is most playable game on steam ever? It has a right to be a good independent game with proper characters, lore work and design, not some cheap ripoffs.
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>>257270905
you have no idea what you're talking about, you obviously dont know what American copyright laws are like, you can sue people for basically any bullshit and win
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>>257271418
>>257271418
>therefore can make a case as to how it may have breached your copywrite
I am responding to a person that says it is entirely unrelated to court so please do not respond to me.
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>some shitty moba assfaggot game can become the new Baldur's Gate

well, you finally sold me on it, Gaben
i'm not forced to play this shit online, though, am I? I prefer my RPGs single player instead of with 13 year old ADHD kids
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>>257271642
Correct. She is part of the "Slayers" IP.
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>>257270693
he's the default hero you play as in the editor just because his name is the first in ABC order out of all the heroes in the game.
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>>257271642
>>257271664
>Sylvanas Windrunner
>renamed to Windrunner
>we must rename it to Windranger

>Lina Inverse
>renamed to Lina
>its fine

You are not making sense.
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>>257271685
No i'm the same person anon.
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Why don't Valve just make Warcraft 4? It's obvious Blizzard isn't going to do it and Dota 2 already has almost all models needed.
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>>257271864
Japs could probably sue them too, they've just decided not to. HEY HEY HEY
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>>257271715
As it is right now, I'm pretty sure they won't allow you to play offline. You can't play on LAN with friends unless you are online.
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>>257271864

Windrunner is the surname of a female archer from blizzard.

Lina inverse is some anime chick that wields a sword and shit.
Lina does not bear resemblance to the copywritten material.
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>>257271909
Valve are waiting for the right time to take an even bigger dump on Blizzard.
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>>257271909
>valve
>do work when the community can do it
shit anon, valve BARELY makes hats anymore
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>>257262223
Lol. Pillars of Eternity's art is 10x better-looking than this.
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>>257271885
>therefore can make a case as to how it may have breached your copywrite.
>BUT YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM TO DO IT, YOU AUTISTIC IMBECILE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT WIND, OR FUCKING RUNNING, OR COMBINATION OF TWO COMMON WORDS, YOU PIECE OF STUPID MONKEY SHIT.
Welp. You are a retard. Just as I thought.
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>>257271909
Why don't Valve just make Episode 3? It's obvious that they have all the money in the world right now thanks to Steam.
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>Valve changed SK because there was a skeleton knight in diablo

News flash icefraud blizzard didn't invent skeletons.
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>>257271864
And yet Rikimaru got changed solely based on the idea behind the guy.
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>>257271864
>>257272020
>>257272085
all wrong

Lina is a not uncommon real life name so it can't be copyrighted by itself.
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>>257272201
Didn't they change it because of Chinese law
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>>257272196
>he doesn't know about the upcoming HL3 release
ay rofl
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>>257272106
also a whopping 6 heroes PORTED in the last year
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>>257272178
actually, I have two heads similar to the ogre magi from dota 2, I had to get the other side to shut up, for me to get my point across.
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>mobas
>2014
When will the fad end?
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>>257262973

>Should I have cereal or go to the deli and get a triple decker grilled cheese?

Spot the Amerilard
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>>257271006
You can be whatever you want to be, that shit you are saying is as dumb as blizzard trying to sue Valve over "DotA".

And it will never work. I can make a character with a bow, call it ">>257271006, the aids windrunning faggot" and Blizzard will never win a case against me, because not a single judge in the world is not that dumb. And know what? I can paint its face half red, same way as Alleria and Blizzard will still eat a dick, because it is too basic to copyright, like copyrighting a fucking circle shape.

It is like copyrighting air and then suing everyone for breathing it. Go fuck yourself, again.
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>>257272274
if it was a character named lina that resembled lina inverse from slayers than it would be a potential breach of copywrite.
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>>257272201
>>257272296

They changed it for both reasons.

China doesn't like blood and skeletons, and they can change SK as a pre-emptive move to avoid any more issues with blizz and copyrights

With they change they killed two birds with one stone, but also pissed off fans because that green glowing thing only looks good when you get that one helmet on him
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>>257272376
>dota
>fad
it's been nearly a decade since it's inception and it's growing each day, even spawning clones like League of Legends and Heroes of Newerth.
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>>257272412
You're wrong, maybe it's time you went to be eurofag
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>>257272584
>>257272296
No they already changed him for that reason over there, see in his pic.
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It is just so funny to me that dota 2 is already beating sc2s modding scene simply because blizzard went full butthurt becaue of dota and said all mods are legally blizards.
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>>257272376
You dont get it , do you?
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Furion - Tequoia
Leoric - Ostarion

I don't get why people are bitching. Probably just newfags who never played original Dota
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>>257272412
Moron.

Alleria/Sylvanas/Whatever Windrunner are all under a copyright and are intellectual property and artistic assets of Blizzard entertainment. If you do what you want to do Blizzard will have a case against you and every judge worth his salt will rule in their favour, especially nowadays when piracy is a buzzword.

Educate yourself before writing nonsense.
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>Can only have 2 teams and 10 players

for what purpose
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I really hope someone makes "scenario" maps with Dota 2 lore.

>Dark Reef Prison
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>>257269080

Even though Icefrog didn't create DotA, he made it what it was today. I highly doubt many other people would be able to turn it into the sensation that brought E-sports back into the light. E-sports died when a lot of competitive shooters began to die, and Starcraft soon became a Korea-only thing.

Outside of fightan game tournaments (Which have always been segregated as their own thing for quite a while and haven't fallen under the term 'e-sports', comeptitive games died since there was literally NOTHING after CS 1.6 and Starcraft: Brood War. Or at the very least, nothing that ever grew popular.

This guy quite literally made the genre for what it is today and spawned multiple games that are raking in millions of dollarydoos.
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>>257272807
Some of those actually look pretty good.
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>>257273008
>Dota 2 lore

Valve is worst then metzen when it comes to that shit.
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defend this dotatards
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>>257272991
Don't suggest the editor has crippling flaws and limitations. You'll get screamed at for being a retard and an autist while basic custom games that would take a day or two in WC3 take months to make in Dota 2. Everybody is making terrain to hide the fact they don't know Lua to do anything with the maps.
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>>257268721
>Keeping it public
>Blizzard has a rule that all mods belong to them
Right anon.
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>>257259760
This looks fucking glorious.

Its like a WoW game that hasnt been ruined by shitty expansions with a better perspective.

And a MUCH broader character creation not to mention in a different vain than the same old tired ass fantasy : elves, orcs, ect.....

Something that will be harder to translate over from dota though, is that skilled and knowledgeable players become more powerful, rather than persistent babby grinding
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>>257273198
tell me what am I looking at first
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>>257271108
Well, moron, your copyright laws retardness didn't work for blizzard in your murrica, so I think you are the one who is in charge here.
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>>257273198
Early beta.
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>>257273397
Except it did work in their favor you moron
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>>257273294
Oh yeah, I've pointed it out in the /d2cgg/ a couple of times already and on other places and got screamed down with IT'S AN ALPHA!!!! worse than it ever was with IT'S A BETA!!!!
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>>257270216
People were changing the camera angle as far back as WC3, dude.
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>>257272807
TELL ME ABOUT SHADOW DEMON! WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK?
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>>257273294
>>257273608
>this obvious samefagging
lol
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>>257272807
Ancient App looks retarded with a mouth
Bane looks the same
Clinkz looks like a generic creep
They just covered up Doom's mouth
Huskar looks the same
Lich looks more badass
Lifestealer looks like he stole Deathwing's jaw
Nightstalker looks the same
Pudge looks the same except for the new stiches
Pugna looks retarded
Shadow Demon is a Baneposter
Shadow Fiend is eh
Skeleton King looks absolutely badass
Undying looks the same
Visage looks the same

What I want to know is why did they give AA a fucking mouth?
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>>257273772
captcha analcomb crambe
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>>257273772
ok
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>>257273742
Skeleton, why does the chinese hate skeletons? Do they worry the skull may look like their ancient chinese ancestors, or the ghost of Genghis Khan will arise from the computer screen?
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>>257259760
Wait, is that supposed to be a Baldur's Gate mod?
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>>257273608
Except it is an alpha? Besides gabe has already stated that it's extremely important to make the tools easy to use so that the scene can actually grow

It's not even optimized and I'm pretty sure it was only released because the dota community was getting upset at the long delay for the patch (6 months(?) from the last hero, a shit ton of compendium shit that is being worked on)
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>>257273906
>>257273921
>you even have two browsers open to make sure you post both images at the exact same time
precious
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>>257273198
they picked anti-mage
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>>257273938
china knows that skeletons don't exist and don't put up with any of that jew bullshit
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>>257274032
>Besides gabe has already stated that it's extremely important to make the tools easy to use so that the scene can actually grow
I can't find even find a single statement of him talking about custom games. This tool was just quietly released a week ago and got big because of the Source 2 files found.
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>>257273992
pillars of eternity
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>>257274158
And yet they accept dragons, void beings, demons etc?
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so
valve/gamescom hype thread?
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>>257272991
Already confirmed that you can have 100 x 100 or whatever the fuck number of teams and players you want to make. It is far opener than you expect.
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>>257272085

This just in. You cannot copyright names.

Valve probably changed it simply to avoid having to deal with Blizzards shit. Frivolous lawsuits are pretty common and they're done simply to waste time and money.
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>>257274356
it was in his reddit AMA and it was in reference to source2
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>>257274415
Oh shit, sorry mixed them up.

Even better, PoE looks dope
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>>257274653
>valve
>games
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>>257274905
>Jicyphex
>Confirming everything
You fell for a fraud's lies. Everybody in the modding community debunked his shit within an hour of the tools being released.
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>>257274943
most of the time it is just to get a settlement. It is a simple formula
if settlement money>lawsuit cost then go for it.
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>>257273198
>>257273337
>>257273476
>sk in
>early beta
Nope, it is not early at all. Picrelated is early. And your pic is just dota with fucked up videocard, probably amd shit.
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>>257275342

That other screenshot is early beta. You can tell by the item icons being totally different.

The screenshot you just posted is alpha.

Two totally different things.
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>>257274943
You can copywrite ideas, windrunner bore too many resemblances to blizzards copywritten material. That is why it was changed, and why venomancer doesn't look like a hydralisk anymore.
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>>257274517
dragons are exterminated by the jews because jews are weak to extreme heat and gas. so they did exist
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>>257275545

You infact cannot copyright ideas.
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>>257275545
>You can copywrite ideas
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>>257268301
>Venomancer
They didn't have to change it. They did so because the old model was low quality.

>Skeleton King
It is unlikely they was asked to change it, they probably done it on their own to give Dota a bit more separation from Heroes of the Storm.

>Pudge
That was another willing change. Again, unlikely due to requests of any kind.

>Brewmaster and the Spirits
Yea, makes sense they didn't want them to be Panda bears

>Outhouse Desolator and Windrunner
Again it makes sense. But I think the Windrunner change was Valve acting on their own again, since it was changed long after the initial lawsuit.
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>>257274905
Go back to reddit you retard, that guy pulled shit out of his ass that got debunked instantly. The engine is hardcoded to only work with 2 teams and a maximum of 10 players right now.
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>>257274415
That's not Pillars of Eternity you fuck.
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>>257275529
Early beta is before 18000 game id. Only close to esports played it and you can't access replay info now.

After 18000 is a public beta, even I had a key then and played my first match on 21000, its not fucking early and replay data is accessible.

Old icons mean nothing, what the fuck are you talking about, newbro?
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>>257275884
>The game is hardcoded
This is the biggest problem right now rather than anything with the editor. Options are flat out limited right now because of the amount of mechanics, spells, heroes, etc. just written into the game in C++. They didn't make the game built around the idea of it being modded. Hoping they talk more at Gamescon about changing this.
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>>257272085
>Lina inverse is some anime chick that wields a sword and shit.
>Lina does not bear resemblance to the copywritten material.

In Slayers, Lina is a fucking mage. She has a sword, but magic is her thing. Especially fire. Fuck, her two signature attacks are called "Dragon Slave" and "Raguna Blade"

I mean, physically the only resemblance is ginger hair, but pretending that there is no resemblance to Lina Inverse is just silly.
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>>257259760
>Comunnity will made WC4 instead of Blizzard.

Maybe there is still hope for the frenchise.
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>>257276127

Now you're arguing semantics.

That first screenshot was taken during the early beta phase of DotA 2. What you define as early beta and what others define as it are different things, but it was probably taken in 2011, which is early during the beta when you consider the game came out of beta in 2013.
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>>257275691
>>257275740

Idea: a visible representation of a conception

yeah you can
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>>257272376

Is DotA/Dota 2 a fad? Not at all.

Are other MOBAs a fad? I'd say so.
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>>257276510

Silly? This shit is not even close, she looks nothing like Lina from Dota2
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>>257269589
>The only reason why I think they did not relinquish full creative control was because DoTA goes against the entire Blizzard philosophy of "easy to play, hard to master".

I never thought of that, good point.

>To this day it is a hard game even with the buttload of guides which we didn't have back in 2006.

That's why I've always been so surprised that DotA is as popular as it is.
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>>257276725
Dota wont die for another 10 years or some shit.

LoL is hard to call, it all depends on if Riot is actually gonna start doing work ever.
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>>257275076
wow clever shitpost!
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>>257276571
Well yeah, with such logic you can still call it "late beta", because your steam dota folder is called "dota 2 beta".

Whatever, newbro, posting 2 russian faggots on the screenshot and calling it early beta. Like they had any chance to get into it.
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>>257276579

Here. I made it easy for you.

http://copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf

Taken from a government website providing information about copyright.
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>>257276914
Can you not read? I said there is little physical resemblance. It doesn't change that Lina shares two abilities with similar names.

The only reason the Laguna Blade is white instead of black and purple is because Valve had trouble making the particle effect stand out enough.
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>>257277141

>Me
>New

I got invited to DotA 2 during the first wave of public invites that went out.

Unless you work at Valve or were included in esports before it's release, it's pretty much impossible to have played DotA 2 before me (unless it was by 10 minutes or something).
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>>257277345
Post first dotabuff game. You can include practice match.
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One of Valve's lawyers must've just then heard about Lina Inverse and told them to erase her last name to prevent somebody in Japan from catching wind of it 15 years later and suing Gaben for honto yen for stealing original character and turning around to invest that money in making a second season of genderbent Slayers.

Fuck you Gaben you should've let them sue you. I want that second season.
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>>257277085

Isn't Riot's parent company funding Rgame? Riot could possibly start getting fucked soon.

Yeah, it's going to be a long time until DotA/Dota 2's popularity starts fading away. Valve will probably start working on Dota 3 when that starts happening, and it'll be a game made from the ground up at Valve that's a mixture of Savage 2, Alterac Valley and Monday Night Combat or something.
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>>257277472
Practice matches don't show up on dotabuff. Old ones don't anyway.

I know because I tried to find my first Dota 2 game on dotabuff as well once, but it was too early or something.
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>>257277345
>public invites
lmao i got even earlier, got a key from my competitive buddy

what now fag
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>>257277145

read the definition again please, ideas mean more than just one thing. Please consider some schooling to get your knowledge of the English language to a competent level.

Idea: a visible representation of a conception
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idea

This form an idea is copyrightable as it is any form of concept put forth and visualized.
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>>257277189
Laguna Blade in DOTA2 is a lightning bolt

Ragna Blade, Raguna Burado, Laguna Blade is a black sword attack.
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I want to play some fucking Warlock Brawl, how does this custom game lobby system work?
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>>257276946
>That's why I've always been so surprised that DotA is as popular as it is.
I think the resurgence and massive popularity of games like DotA and the Souls series, which both have reputations of being very unforgiving, shows that there's a strong demand for hard games that's been getting overlooked. People WANT to be challenged, but they also need games to be approachable to the layman. DotA is very complicated at heart but the basic gameplay isn't hard at all. It takes pretty much zero skill to control your character, but there's a huge amount of information to learn and decision-making to master.
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>>257277538
Cool story bro. It keeps all my practice games since day 1 of beta and it kept it since the first day of dotabuff.
But it is fine, I would not show my "first wave invite" game with seven digits ID also. Just leave this thread.
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>>257277723
If you etch a pentagram onto your GPU under a blue moon and buy exactly $13.33 of items from Steam at the moment you join a friend's game, you'll be able to make a game with friends.

That's about how much the system works right now.
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>>257277567
Post id, show your big epenis or get beaten by another bigger epenis owner. That is why we all here on 4chan.
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>>257277841

All those abandons, for what purpose?
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>>257277723
d2modd.in
But its on downtime atm.
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>>257275740
You can copyright Star Wars but you cannot copyright the idea behind a space adventure film.
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>>257277841
Oh, you're right. They must have changed it since last time I checked.
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>>257277583

http://copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

>Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something. You may express your ideas in writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea itself as revealed in your written or artistic work.

Keep trying.

You cannot copyright an idea.
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>>257278057
Do you see "No stats recorded"? Just tested heroes and skills in practice matches. I am not sure if console spawn commands existed back then in practice or I just didn't know em.
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>>257276554

>community made fan sequel

No

Don't you faggots ever learn? A fan project of this sort would end up with horrible fan fiction tiers of story, a god awful imbalanced campaign and stupid OC DONUT STEAL characters that would put Metzen's writing to shame

You don't simply let a fan community write up the sequel to a game. It's not as simple as going "oh yea we'll make an entirely new game from scratch!". Things like that take a shitload of time and effort and actual competent writers
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>>257278234
>1 fucking week
Literally a thousand light years for a beta. It went to shit in that week. Damn, you don't even remember 0 online players, what a fucking newfag. Do you even firstblood Dondo? Fucking new shit, god, can't standing you and me on the same board. What the fuck?

Fucking rekt.
#REKT.
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>>257278721
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I FUCKING LOST
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>>257277583
If we fly by your definition than there wouldn't be any genres. Tolkien's heirs could potentally sue everyone who tries to create a fantasy story.

It boils down to this - you can have elves but those elves cannot be name Legolas since he is already an original creation.
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>>257278362
dota 2 custom game threads are basically pipe dream threads at the moment
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>>257260161
Is that BATTLE FOR HELM'S DEEP MOTHERFUCKER?
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>>257279137
mm you bet
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>>257278996

Actually, they can be named Legolas. You cannot copyright a name.

They however cannot be Legolas himself. The character is protected. His name and concept are not.
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D-do you guys think we'll get RP maps?
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>>257278908
>not wrecking dondo on your first week so he leaves in tears
>not having glorious 4:3 in 2011
>not experiencing based inventory placement bug
>not screening it and keeping it for 4 years, because your life is miserable
>not posting it in this thread
What next, loser, maybe you have a qt gf, moron?
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>>257279392
fuck off
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>>257279392

Hopefully not

RP maps in WC3 were the most awful and autistic things ever created.
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>>257276946
>>257277832

I don't think it is just about the challenge. People enjoy playing with and "pwning" other people. In DoTA you can snowball to such a beast that the entire enemy team will not be able to stop you.

Also people enjoy figuring stuff out for themselves in an environment that allows them to create a viable character using sub-optimal items. Vanguard Dazzle, Carry CM, Mobility AM are all possible and fun to play.

Plus it also has that RPG formula going on to give you the little hook you need to continue playing.
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>>257259760
How I wish that was real. BG2 and expansion in a newer engine would be terrific.
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>>257279543
They were my childhood :(
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Looks interesting. Maybe they can mod in different control options instead of just click2move?
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>>257279364

You can trademark names. But trademarks are very specific and only apply to one sector.

You cannot make an electronic company called Apple. You can make an apple growing company called Apple.
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>Nobody making Murder in the Mansion style games
Oy vey
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>>257278269

any concept put forth and visualized means anything is an idea retard.

Meaning Sylvannas Windrunner is an Idea, and any character from fiction is an idea, again, consider getting some schooling because you are retarded.
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>blizzard decided to make starcraft 2 instead dota 2


what happened to the company that i grew up with?
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>>257259760
Pillars of Eternity is looking pretty good.

I like the retro feel.
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>>257279364
When a name becomes synonymous with the character it falls under copyright since it becomes a vital part of that character. If you want to create a fantasy universe you cannot have an elf called Legolas.
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>>257279892
blizzard never made dota 1 in the first place anyways
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>mfw the return of those ORPG maps with several branching classes and huge maps full of secrets and mysteries
Twilight's Eve masterrace
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>>257279742
Most likely

see >>257260525
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>>257279849
>any concept put forth and visualized means anything is an idea retard.

No.

Sylvanas Windrunner isn't an idea - she is an intellectual asset. The elf ranger is the idea and you can create as many of them as you want.
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>>257280060
they turned down the LoL guys

it's a scary thought that blizzard could've simultaneously stop valve from making dota 2 while they made league of legends
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>>257279892
Why would they? SC is an original game by Blizzard
Dota is a mod not made by blizzard
Anyways they'll still cash in to the moba hype with Heros of the Storm, since they still have an autistic fanbase who will lap up anything Blizzard gives them
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>>257280273
imagine how shit blizzard would be with riot employees there
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>>257280080
you should probably wait until they're actually made. these threads are really jumping the gun when the tools are very early and customs are barely playable.
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I want to dungeon crawl with a customizable party of Dota heroes but I know fuck all about modding

God I hope someone makes my dreams a reality
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>>257271393
>WC2 was the last good warcraft

nostalgiafags ladies & gentlemen
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>>257277832

People don't actually want hard games. They want games that seem hard, they want to feel the thrill of the challenge without actually having to go through a really challenging game

Take Ninja Gaiden for example. One of the most difficult series (both the NES and modern ones) with an insanely complex and deep combat system yet a ton of people go for the easier less niche action games like DMC and Bayonetta (which already are niche and pretty challenging themselves). Not many people feel like mastering difficult games, they just like to pretend they can master some moderately challenging game and call it a day
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>>257280273
That is literally the worst management I have seen from a company. Did they think that WoW would last forever ?

>>257280362
>Heros of the Storm

At most it will get them back their LoL players but that is about it.
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>>257279892

Starcraft 2's multiplayer should have been the Dota 2 of Brood War where it's Brood War with new 3D graphics and lots of new and awesome online and tournament features. Dota 2's tools is what SC2's editor should have been. And the campaign ofcourse would still be a sequel to Brood War's campaign, but with a story that's not retarded.

How did Blizzard fuck up so hard?
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>>257280262

Idea: a visible representation of a conception
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idea

By definition, an idea can be a concept with visual representaion. This means sylvanas windrunner and any character from fiction is an idea.
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Why the fuck are you faggots so obsessed about WC3 custom games? Have you learned nothing? Just as Dota was a superior game to WC3, original Dota 2 custom games will be superior to WC3 custom games. There's no point in porting over inferior garbage.
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>>257266873
To be fair, leveling is almost completely irrelevant in WoW. You only do things at max level really.
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>>257280648
hubris
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So is there now finally some new map coming for dota 2?
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>>257279849

By that logic. You are an idea.

You don't actually exist, you're just a concept put forth and visualized. You're an idea. Infact, everything is an idea. Nothing exists. Everything is just an idea.

Son, you're a retard. Here is the dictionary definition of an idea, from the link you yourself posted.

>>257280032

>If you want to create a fantasy universe you cannot have an elf called Legolas.

Actually, you can. As long as he isn't the Legolas from Tolkiens books.

I'll say it once again. You cannot copyright a name. This is the reason we don't get corporations fighting over names constantly.

If you want an example just look at Disney. They're known for being heavy handed with copyright and for getting copyright laws changed.
Micky
Minnie
Donald
Daisy
Pete
Hewey
Dewey
Louie
Humphrey
The list goes on.

All well known Disney characters, all (fairly) common names that you can use however you want.
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>>257280739

>original Dota 2 custom games will be superior to WC3 custom games

And you're basing this off what exactly?
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>>257267870
dont do this to me fuck you i hate y ou i want this
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>>257267314
Fuck man that movie was so much fun
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>>257280663

>archaic : a visible representation of a conception : a replica of a pattern
>Archaic

I wonder what archaic means.

>old and no longer used

Oh.
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>yfw someone makes an dota 2 campaign warcraft 3 style
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>>257262608
Work in progress
Toolkit just came out a few days ago, so maybe whoever designed that will get to making the specifics of the environment better, who knows
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>>257280853
Please screencap full definition of Idea and not cut and screencap what you choose. Look up the definition of visualized because you seem to not know that definition either.
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>>257280648
>Dota 2's tools is what SC2's editor should have been.
This is a really shitty comparison when people did the exact same things in both editors a few days after release: fucking around with the camera, making pretty terrain, and importing models from other games. The SC2 editor is very powerful but harder to learn than the WC3 editor, just like the Dota 2 tools.
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>>257281061
...this isn't my face...
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>>257280981
Google Archaic
adjective
very old or old-fashioned.

Doesn't always mean it isn't used anymore.
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>>257280663
Again no.

Sylvanas isn't the idea, the elf ranger archetype is the idea.

However, Sylvanas is Blizzard's elf ranger - this is where the iffy bit comes from. Since they used the elf ranger archetype to create this character and put in intellectual/physical effort for the creation (this is the criteria for copyright) they can block me from using said elf ranger if I want to make a fantasy game or any sort of media.

However, if I decide to make my own elf ranger they cannot touch me as long as I don't steal from them.

Go look it up at ipo.gov or any law textbook regarding IP.
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>>257280648
>Dota 2's tools is what SC2's editor should have been.
Hardcoded spells, heroes, and 2 teams of 5 players each and taking several steps back in accessibility from the WC3 editor?
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>>257281118

Strangely enough, you're doing the exact same thing.

Also, you're acting like there is only one definition for the word idea. When the website you posted lists 7.
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>>257281346
what does a visible representation of a conception mean to you?

Because, pretty much anything created can fit into that category.
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>>257272807
pugna is an undead wild west train robber
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>>257281510
No, my point is idea doesn't just mean one thing. You and others claim otherwise. Hence why I asked you to post the full definition.
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>>257281176
If it were we'd need to talk... about stuff.
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>fantasy life
>orc gladiators
>twilight's eve

They will be back. It's happening.
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>>257261492
wait a minute... that map
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>>257281514
From ipo.gov:

>Copyright does not protect ideas for a work. It is only when the work itself is fixed, for example in writing, that copyright automatically protects it. This means that you do not have to apply for copyright.
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>>257281713
alright
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>>257268721
>being this retarded

The lawsuit was because valve was about to capitalize on their fuck up.. they realized it and got ass blasted forcing Valve to change the name and appearance of a few of the characters. They wanted to make a second Defense of the Ancients. Problem is Valve now owns DOTA Blizz can still make D.O.T.A but nobody would give a fuck about it at this point.

Honestly, if they ever want those players back they need to make WC4 and it needs to be open from day one. But they're too fucking retarded and are still pushing HS and HotS so hard one of which nobody cares about and the other pretty much dwindled to nothing after it went out of beta which is by far the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in gaming.
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>>257281682
Is anybody actually making them right now though?
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>>257281782
answer the question.
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>>257281641

>No, my point is idea doesn't just mean one thing.

No. You are the one claiming that.

You cannot copyright an idea. An idea only has to meet one of those definitions to be considered an idea.
Of which one of those definitions is "a formulated thought or opinion".
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>>257281896
Its only a matter of time my friend
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Defend this shit dotoddlers
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>>257280648

>Dota 2's tools is what SC2's editor should have been

How exactly? Because SC2's editor is insanely powerful and allows for a lot more stuff than WC3's editor. The only issue is that it was very hard to use, and that combined with the whole "blizz owns your maps" shit is what scared people away
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>>257281925
I did. I am not concerned with the dictionary definition, only the legal classification.
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>>257281964
and one of the definitions is a visible representation of a conception
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idea
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>>257281713
goddamit wrong fucking thread
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>>257282125
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-about.htm
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>>257259760
>Dotards get handmedown version of Blizzard's map editor for their handmedown subgame.

>>/vg/
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>>257281830
I can understand Heroes but Hearthstone's making them loads of dosh and is wildly popular with the casuals. It was a smart move on their part because it's what they used to do; move into a genre that doesn't really have any standout games, make it more accessible, polished and user-friendly and make bank. Heroes doesn't work because it's trying to get into a super crowded genre too late.
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>>257280109
He's right clicking, movement isn't possible with WASD
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>>257282107
You did not, if you put forth an idea that has no physical representation that is the kind of idea that cannot be copywritten.

But if you have and idea thats concept has been visualized, you can most certainly copywrite that idea.

Sylvanas Windrunner is one of these ideas that has been gone through concept, and visualized.
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>>257279492
I just wanted to let you know I like your style.
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>>257281925

You cannot copyright the idea of an elf archer character.

You can copy the character of Sylvanas Windrunner.

How hard is that to understand?
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>>257282348
[pity response]
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>>257282089
Defend this shit, Dotards.
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>>257282412
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-about.htm

Read it, think about it and then come back. This is the law.
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>>257282412

It's no longer an idea if it's become an actuality.
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>>257281439
>he thinks the spells are hardcoded into the heroes
Confirmed for literally not knowing what you're talking about.
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>>257282550
Why is he a blue bear?
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>>257282462

You can't have an archer with the name of Sylvanas Windrunner in your game/fiction etc
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>>257282681

Yes you can.

As long as it's not the archer in this picture.
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>>257282523
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>>257282561
Did, and one of the definitions of idea is a concept put forth and visualized.
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>>257261492
WHAT IF DOTA2 HAD A MODE IN WHICH PLAYERS PLAY LOL?
GAME OVER RIOT
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>>257283007
WE DID IT BROS WE KILLED RIOT
BROS WE DID IT
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>>257282781
No you can't
http://info.legalzoom.com/legal-use-disney-characters-21231.html
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>>257281439
You have no idea what you're talking about
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>>257277529
RGame is just a Dota 2 knockoff that won't come overseas
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>>257282590

In one definition yes, but an idea also can be any concept put forth and visualized.
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>>257283007
There's already several people working on this, as you can see from that screenshot.

There's also people making game modes Riot promised but cancelled.
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>BMDota already stopping work on Reflex because of the tools
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>XD we're gonna blow Riot out of the water
guys stop I just want my WC3 maps back
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>>257260312
>Game starts off as a mod of a popular strategy game
>Gets it's own release
>Mod tools released
>Original game is now modded into the standalone mod

This is some next level modception shit.
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people are making LoL in DOTA2. There is literaly no reason to play LOL now.
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>>257283426
>somethingception
oh boy
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>>257270561
actually the biggest bullshit is that they lawsuited The Banner Saga for having "saga" in the name
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>>257260525
wha is this gamme
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Wait, is DOTA getting some sort of "Use Map Settings" shit like Starcraft used to have?
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>>257283384
seriously half of the fucking custom game threads are
>haha we're going to singlehandedly kill LoL, we did it bros! XD
talk about fucking custom games not your insecurities
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>>257283092

Website says nothing other than you cannot use a copyrighted character.

I'm missing the part where it says you cannot make a mouse and call him Micky.
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>>257282892
This is when it stops being an idea and becomes IP. The copyright defends your IP, YOUR elf ranger but not the archetype of the elf ranger.

Say I draw a chicken. I put this chicken to paper and suddenly the guy next to me draws a chicken. He didn't copy my drawing, he just made a chicken.

If I go to the judge with my case he will not rule in my favor because the other guy did not draw my chicken, my IP, but just drew a chicken.
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>>257283478
>Playing LoL at all
>Wanting to play LoL at all.

You are so fucking stupid
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>>257283621
Read the whole thing again.
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>>257283384
then make them you lazy piece of shit
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Is there model swapping in this?

If possible, I'd like to make my own Chinese-Knockoff-tier mods of ASSFAGGOTS versions of other games with it. Or hell, if that RTS mod is as well-developed as it could be in the future, there are even more possible options with a handy bit of modeling at your disposal.
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>>257282378
>move into a genre that doesn't have a standout game

>Pokemon, and Magic now don't exist.

They moved into a genre that is already beyond saturated. They are doing nothing new. What they did do is make a casual as fuck game that is all turtle or face rush.. which is funny because that's how most play, Star Craft.
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>>257283649
It doesn't ever stop being an idea by definition, it always remains an idea throughout the entire process.
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>>257272412
Anally devestated 12 year old who knows nothing of law.

It's ok to be wrong sometimes, if you learn to accept that, and re-educate yourself, you will become a better person.

Or you can just cry about how you are right, and everyone else is an idiot, and stay stupid forever. Whatever words for you, kid.
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>>257283707

I've read it twice now.

Highlight the part I am apparently missing. Because I'm pretty sure it does not exist.
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>>257283621
>For example, Disney holds trademark and copyright registrations for Snow White, a Disney fairy tale character. In 1989, Disney sued the Academy of Arts and Sciences when the Academy used an entertainer to portray Snow White without Disney's permission in its opening number for an Academy Awards telecast.

You can have a Mickey but he can't be a mouse. He can be a boxer or an artist but not a mouse.
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>>257283686
Isn't LoL's map smaller than dotas by a large amount?
Seems like a niffty idea to make matches considerably shorter since Heros have way higher movement speed and TP's
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>>257277141
alwayswannafly is a pro player, why wouldnt he be invited into the early beta?
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>>257283354
>dropping mod because dev gave you better tools to support it
u w0t m8?
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>>257283890
Not all card games, online card games. MTGO isn't super popular. Lots of online CCGs and TCGs have terrible UIs or are ultra-Jewish. Hearthstone moved in to capture the casual's gaze.
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>>257273102
You can import the models if you want. I use the Shadow Fiend and Sub Zer.. I mean Litch.
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>>257283967
Read it once more, than make an essay about it. Then post it here and then we will talk.
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>>257283919
>by definition

We aren't talking about definitions, we are talking about legal treatment.

The idea behind IP law is to defend the work of an artist without hampering creativity. That's why nobody can copyright ideas.
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>faggot starts another thread with a picture and no description whatsoever (edgy faggot)
>people argue about what game it is (retarded)
>people argue about whether or not it's illegal to make games similar to other games (holy fucking retardation)
>most of the actual conversation is about dota and lol, the complete antithesis of crpgs (burn all of this board with fire now)

Wow you are all a bunch of fucking niggers. This is why this board sucks. There should be a board to contain the dotalol retards, they are a subclass of human being.
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>>257283978

That says someone portrayed Snow White. A character Disney owns. They used the character in it's whole.

They could have had a princess called Snow White. But not Disneys Snow White.
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>>257284178
It never ceases to become an idea, it can be an IP and an idea at the same time.
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>>257273198
>old as fuck version of the game
>lowest possible video settings

It's like you don't even try.
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>>257260525
SMITE LITERALLY
B T F O
T
F
O
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Honsetly I'm not excited about this because it doens't have anywhere near the amount of units for creativity that Warcraft 3 had, and it's going to run like shit for everyone without supercomputers.
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>>257264116
>parents of the year
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Congrats, DOTA has mod tools. now I have a reason to install it to play only custom games because lets be real, LoL is the better MOBA
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>>257284043
He is ok, second guy was never related to pro scene or dota. He is just high mmr russian dota player, it is not early beta times. End of story.
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>>257260525
SMITEFAGS BTFO

WHERE IS YOU'RE GOD NOW
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>>257284235
This is actually quite interesting.

Do you know if the company that made "Snow White and the Huntsman" had to license it or just use it. I am asking since I also remember a cheaply made cartoon from a few years back also called Snow White.
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>>257284559
>Implying it matters when Guilty Gear Overture is better than every single ASSFAGGOTS that presently exists, bar character count
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>>257284557
it definately is, they hud was changed in 2012, since it shows the old hud it must be in 2011 or so, which was the first year the beta was out
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>>257284307
Under the law - no.

By definition, of course.
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Do we have to use gay Dota characters or can we use other characters?
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>>257284559
Actually laughed for real, thanks anon.
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>>257284670
I am pretty sure any of of grimms' stories are free to use by anyone
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>>257272401
>tfw when eating delicious greasy american food and working out to stay healthy
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>>257284197
People like this almost dont deserve custom maps. Almost. I still hope you enjoy your stay in dota2.
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>>257284559
XD WE DID IT GUYS, WE GOT DOTA TO WIN!!!
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>>257284740
Here we go "early for you late for me" discussion again. God.
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>>257284851
I think I heard somewhere that custom models won't be a problem but I might be wrong, don't quote me on this.
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>>257284712
>people actually get excited for "new" fighting games

This has always baffled me.
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Can someone please tell me what this is?
I'm completely lost.
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>>257282781
Windrunner existed as not-undead archer characters in previous Warcraft games. Basically the current Windranger but with blonde hair.
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>>257284374
It has unlimited units what the fuck are you on about.

>it's going to run like shit for everyone without supercomputers.

not it isn't, it's gonna run just like Dota 2 is running now, i.e. on a fucking toaster
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>>257284670

Probably not. The film was based on a german fairy tail, and not the Disney character. And the fairy tail is public domain.

The director even went to Disney to see if they'd fund the film and they turned him down. So he went somewhere else and got funding for it.
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>>257285031
The OP is a photoshop.
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DIABLO 2 SEQUEL WHEN ??
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>>257285031
custom map for dota, did oyu not even read few first posts?
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>>257284958
Rectally perturbed Smite player detected.
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>>257284992
Overture isn't a fighting game though. And it came out in 2007.
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>>257259760
>autists arguing about copyright for more than half the thread
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>>257284810
It remains the same in both cases, not my fault you can't comprehend this notion.
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>>257285123
Remember when WC3 custom games killed dozens of other games?

Get your fanboy garbage out of custom games.
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>>257284914
>>257285087

I see.
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I was hoping there'd be more webms of maps in progress to build hype.
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>>257285253
I dont. Which ones?
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>>257259856
>Fuck off.
Piss off, cunt.
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>>257285253
Smite's only claim to fame is the third person perspective. It is the ONLY thing that makes Smite unique. The Dota 2 modding scene won't kill anything off but it will make the stupidity of smitefags even more obvious.
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>>257285253
>Remember when WC3 custom games killed dozens of other games?
Oh shit nigga, what are you even saying?
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no matter how much i try i cant get custom games to work
i installed the tools, the update and the dlc
i can launch the tools and hammer just fine and the debug client too
but as soon as launch one of the custom games dota just minimizes into the taskbar and sits there doing nothing.
what do?
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>>257285389
>>257285557
he's pointing out that WC3's custom games didn't kill games of similar genres, it's unlikely dota customs would kill them
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>>257285612
inb4 delete system32.
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>>257285245
If you were in charge of the legal system Tolkien's heirs would be filing a lawsuit for copyright infringement against Warcraft and Warhammer by now.

Again, the copyright only extends to the work, the actual product of your labor and not the archetypes, settings or stories you draw inspiration from.
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>>257285612
>the dlc
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>>257285612
install gentoo
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>>257285612
Do you have a 64bit operating system and a DX11 GPU?
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>>257285673
wc3 custom games were pretty unique. where there any dota like games or footman frenzy games before then that custom games could have killed?
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>>257285673
Oh. You kids and your internets and sarcasms. Getting too old for this.
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>>257284197
>people argue about whether or not it's illegal to make games similar to other games (holy fucking retardation)
That's autism for you m8.
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>>257268491
>implying
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>>257285787
pic related
>>257285832
yes
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>>257285612
If you meet all of the requirements and it's still messing up, you might be near the bare minimum and it's not able to run properly. I have a DX11 GPU and 64-bit client on this desktop but the specs are somewhat dated, so the client just locks up my PC for 10 minutes when I try to test a map.
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>>257285612
wait a bit, happens to me too, just wait and it will open up again with the console and load.
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>>257285929

Age of Empires 2 and Age of Mythology customs were a huge thing before WC3
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>>257282089
every thread, eh?
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>>257260039
>grand theft abbadon: paris

fund it.
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>>257266905
>cosmetic
Drone detected.
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Guys, how do I git gud with new editor? WC map editor was way easier. Any guides? Can't find a shit. Really wanna make a Tower Defence map with maze building.
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>>257285773

Your failure to realize both what I am saying and the one of the definitions of idea knows no bounds. What you just stated in that post exemplifies you have no idea what I was talking about.
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>>257286050
i5-3570k
780gtx
8gig 2333mhz ram
im pretty sure its not my system

>>257286056
let it run for over an hour and nothing happened
cant maximize or do anything
if i watch the task manager the amount of ram used doesnt even change so i guess the game really isnt doing anything
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>>257286085
and did those kill any real games?
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>>257286268
You need to read all of this:

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/List_of_Dota_2_Script_Functions#Item_Stuff
http://docs.d2modd(dot)in/en/latest/lua_scripting.html
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Dota_2_Workshop_Tools

If you don't have it down, then that's a shame, I hope they make the tools more user-friendly because it's a big part of what made WC3 customs so fun and varied. Regression is a bad thing.
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>>257285541
>Smite's only claim to fame is the third person perspective. It is the ONLY thing that makes Smite unique.

I dunno, you still have to aim autoattacks and stuff, and it still controls better
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>>257286342
The game won't run if you don't have certain entities placed down, make sure you have the game events placed down, good guy / bad guy spawn, global lighting, and the rest of hte required stuff placed down before you try running it.
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>>257286342
Odd, it goes into the tray when I launch the custom game but after a while it just opens up, what gamemode have you tried to run? because the warlock one i had to launch it 4 times before it worked.
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>>257259760
>:)
Go back to reddit
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>>257286660
i can run the debug client
none of the custom game modes run if try to start them in the regular client
>>257286692
have tried all the major ones that have been ported over from d2modd.in and the two wraith night clones
none start
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>>257266652
Not same guy but i installed Windows 7 32-bit in 2009 where support for 64-bit drivers was questionable.
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>>257286869
Make a thread on the forums, maybe someone will help. Or just wait a bit, they'll sure update the toolkit soon
.
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So when are we gonna get mods matchmaking?
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>>257287302
as soon as the tools are out of alpha and the client is stable
probably when the announce source 2 at gamescom
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To any dumbshit that thinks Dota is owned by Blizzard because of some shitty license of "Everything created by this editor is owned by Blizzard" doesn't work, it violates user rights, if that would be applied to any creative tool Adobe would have rights to anything created in it.
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>>257286614
Thanks, anon. Gotta read it all.
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>>257287541
that rule was for sc2 custom games (it was added in a patch in wc3 but theres no way to know the creators of those games updated/accepted the new terms) and so far no one has tried to fight it
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>>257287030
not the same guy but I installed windows 7 64-bit in 2008 where support for 64-bit drivers was fine
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