>Customizable movesets >Items which alter attack, defense,

>amiibo only
>thinking "speed" is referring to every aspect of velocity, as well as gravity

You don't understand anything about how ANYTHING works, ever.
/v/ in a nutshell.

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>Meleefags want to ban custom movesets because they take too long to set up
>not making the game even more challenging and exciting by adapting to several combinations of moves

Custom movesets sound like an incredibly fun addition to the game

>>256823547
>amiibo only
That's wrong you fucking faggot

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>CPU only

>>256823547
jesus fuck who cares? if you love melee so much just go fucking play it, while all the real fans will have fun with SM4SH

No one but autiatic losers care about competitive smash, thats why normal people think brawl is better

Wot

I haven't been paying attention much to smash since I don't have a WiiU, but this is some new shit to smash. And I like it.

>>256823737
Custom movesets could work in competitive play. The items however have too many variables and would take fucking forever to set up.
>they take too long to set up
That's such a poor excuse. Have you seen how fast those faggots type in name tags? Setting up the moveset they want would take like 3 seconds.

>>256823842
Brawl is so fucking bad to play casually, you have to have really bad taste to like it over melee.

>>256823737
Wrong, faggot. They won't make custom movesets the standard in a competitive environment if they take too long to set up. They'll still have them, but it will inevitably end up less popular if that is the case. Otherwise, competitivefags are really looking forward to how custom moves shake things up.

But you're too scared of the boogieman so you'll just keep parroting shit you've heard from people who don't know anything.

>>256824039
Customized movesets could also lead to nerfing and buffing characters. It's a really interesting feature that will sadly get ignored and criticized because it isn't broken like Melee

Fighting game asspies will at least have to be happy about this, with this they can nerf any of the characters that look at them funny and buff their favourite characters. Seriously though fight game fans can be children, if the game isn't 100% tweaked exactly how they want it they go ape shit.

>>256823809
>"hey guys look at these reasons to buy this game!"
>[insert criticism]
>"who cares just buy my game!"

Ok marketer

>>256824353
>They won't make custom movesets the standard in a competitive environment if they take too long to set up.
And they won't take too long to set up.

>>256824148
Why? It has more features and content

I'm a casual fag and super hyped for these.

Assuming they aren't CPU only, I can't wait to make my full-on attack, 0 defense, 0 speed Ganondorf

>>256823745
Stat-changing equippable items are used on your Amiibo only.

The only way you can change your character's stats is temporarily through Smash Run.

I don't think stat altering items are for the normal VS. mode. Could be wrong though. And custom moves won't be banned.

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>>256824353
Have you read Smashboards? And why would they still make them an option if they find them inconvenient?

>scared of the boogieman

kek nice insult faggot you showed me

>>256824574
Then there will probably be a prominent group of competitivefags who use custom move set options

>>256824590
It's really slow and the discrepancy between good characters and bad characters is obvious even at the shit level of play me and my friends play at.
I wanted the game to be good because of how much shit it had, but they really shit the bad with very fundamental stuff.

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>>256824451
But anon he didn't say to buy SSB4 he said to just keep playing Melee

>>256824662
http://www.smashbros.com/us/howto/entry2.html

Please inform yourself before posting.

>>256824767
There are plenty of people who think the custom sets add depth to the game. Keep pretending you aren't fuming behind that monitor because I called your bullshit.

>>256824662
http://www.smashbros.com/us/howto/entry2.html

Here you fucking faggot.
God, Meleefags are the fucking worst.

>>256824653
Brawl's dorf was pure shit with high attack and no speed. Good luck playing as a glass slug-tank, faggot

>>256825093
>Guy is wrong
>must be a meleefag

Stop tearing the Smash community apart.

fightfag here
dont know much about smash but the general fightfag doesnt like too much customisation, pretty much no pro play allows custom characters in any game or using different versions of their character other than the current, like in usf4

>>256823340
>stat shit
Into the fucking trash it goes.

Only custom moves are interesting.

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>>256825089
I said they were a fun addition. I'm saying meleefags are conflicted because it takes so long to set up, which is bullshit.

>boy I sure showed him!

>>256824451
>"keep playing melee"
>hurr durr shill shill shill marketer x-DDDDDDDDD"

>>256825338
Smash isn't most traditional fighting games, it's broken convention in the past and it will in the future, it seems.

>>256825458
>it takes so long to set up
We have no idea how long it takes to set up and the competitive community is completely open to trying it if it doesn't take an unreasonable amount of time.

>>256824767
If you're talking about specific stat stuff, yes, that's not going to be in any form of competitive play.

Alternate special moves? Those have a shot of making it in.

>>256823340
Only custom moves have a chance to be tournament-viable.

Stat shit belongs in the trash.

>>256825582
but if this will be aplied in tournaments is up to the community, not the game

>>256825230
Check the original post you blockhead.
>muh velocity

>>256825563
>while all the real fans will have fun with SM4SH

Forgot that shill

"melee isnt a good game"
try to support this statement

Jesus, every Smash thread now is just shitpost after shitpost. We are the only fanbase tearing ourselves apart because we have different favorite entries in the series. Who the fuck cares. Play the game you want and don't let the fact that other people are playing a different game bother you.

>>256826102
Melee is a good game. It's a great game. It just not the only way to play Smash.

>>256823340
>http://www.smashbros.com/us/howto/entry2.html
Custom movesets are an awesome addition, and would prove to make competitive smash more interesting. But items with the same name can have different stats. I doubt that it'd be possible to collect all of the possible item/stat combos on one console so I don't think they'll have a presence in tournaments.

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>>256826217
>We are the only fanbase tearing ourselves apart because we have different favorite entries in the series.
I would not be so sure about this
but we are probably the worst

>>256826217
but then how will we call people fagets and tell them they have shit taste

>>256825929
That was my reply, not the original guy.

>>256826102
Melee isn't a good game.

It's an amazing game.

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>>256825745
I'm not talking about letting people adjust stats as they please, I'm talking about having 'official' character stats for tournaments. Having specific stat set-ups for certain characters in order to nerf or buff them as tournaments please. It gives them control over the balance.

>>256823340
for fucks sake, I AM DYING to learn all the move variations for each character.

Sakurai stop holding out on me

>>256826102
Of course it's a great game, but not exactly the best. I dislike the artstyle, personally.
And Melee is the fast, agerssive one one while Brawl is the slow, defensive one. No one can say that one style is better than the other. In fact, Brawl sold more and received better praise, and that counts as much as saying that "Melee has a strong fanbase!".

>>256826342
you win

>>256826384
>explosive perfect shield
That sound rad as fuck

>>256826327
Attack a different series

>>256824039
>>256823737
Can't you store your custom moveset profile on an amiibo or something?

>>256824767
Link me to some Smashboards hate on the custom movesets. I want to laugh.

>stat shit
Too complicated for me.

>>256826565
Yes, you can.

>>256826384
Ah, now I understand.

Yeah, it will be good to fix up Low Tier characters. But first, the meta needs to develop, so it won't happen until a year passes and we get some tournament results.

>>256826384
>Critical hit bonus
What could that mean? Smash 4 doesn't have random crits, right?

>>256826565
Amiibos are custom AI. You can't put an amiibo on the gamepad and use whatever it has as your moveset.

>>256826480
I hope it hurts the user, too, because that shit sounds OP as fuck in the hands of any half-decent player

>>256826102
Melee is a good game
But its fans are insufferable

>>256826778
That power up could ADD random critical hits maybe?

>>256826450
>No one can say that one style is better than the other.
We could talk objective things like balance

>>256827338
or we can talk about how C-sticking is stupid

>>256826957
This applies to any game with a fanbase that goes into 5 digits.

Important note about the fighting game community from years of experience, everyone is a fucking asshole online, but once you meet people in person to play they either get really shy and don't talk or they're legitimately nice people. The few assholes I've actually met are generally not good at the game to begin with.

>>256826778
>>256827331
It's damage done while at critical percent levels

>>256826217
>don't let the fact that other people are playing a different game bother you

The problem is that I WANT to play the new games, but because people are ignorant as to why the new games are bad, the franchise itself will continue to be terrible and Nintendo/Sakurai will never address the problems because the competitive crowd is deemed the minority. The truth needs to be known.

>>256826846
That would be a pretty crappy powerup

>>256827574
Like Lucario? That makes sense.

>>256826779
wrong
>>256826698

>>256827705
>I'm wrong because someone else said you're right
Get over yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odUjMhc6YgU

I think people are missing the point on how these can be used for tournaments, though. Think about how the Tournament Legal for this game will look a year from now.

Characters will be paired with specific items and movesets that tournaments deem balanced. Instead of banning characters like Meta Knight, they can just rebalance him to match their desires.

Tournaments won't allow fully customized set-ups, but they will have legal load-outs for each character.

Reminder that meleefags and tourneyfags are not the same thing. Meleefags are the cancer that can't move on or stand ANYTHING different from melee and swear they'll be playing that for all of eternity. Tourneyfags are just tourney players.

>"it takes too long" is a shitty excuse
fuck off.
It's fine when it isn't part of other majors. It's fine when smash is the only event.
But a match of smash takes on average 7-10 minutes counting stage picks/bans, and 4stock-7minutes and 2/3 is fucking absurd.
It's shit for TOs, it's shit for players of other games, and it's shit for stream viewers waiting for those other games when smash consistently goes a half hour to 45 minutes beyond its expected timeslot because it's the slowest fucking thing in the universe.
Making it even slower without divorcing smash from fighting game majors would be the worst thing ever.

>>256826384
HOWEVER does this fix core game mechanics?

Basically are combos in or out

>>256827934
>people getting flustered about tourneys
>none of them ever competing in one

>>256827893
I believe both are correct. You can use Amiibos to transfer your custom movesets, from 3DS to Wii U for example. You can also use it to build on your Amiibo character, who is a CPU.

There's no way players don't have custom movesets since it would ruin the entire point of Palutena and Miis, and the Amiibos do allow you to transfer your own movesets across systems.

>>256823340
But SSB4 is already confrimed to be a floaty game. It's shit. Melee will always be the only good Smash Bros. game.

>>256828540
that is an incorrect statement and you should feel bad for having said it

>>256828676
>Brawlfag/SSB4fag in denial

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>>256828540
>An E3 build which was probably finished 2-3 months before E3 is worse then a finished product

>>256828540
Project M and Smash 64 are both also amazing good fun.

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>>256828746
>b-b-b-but it's just a beta!

>>256828540
Floatiness isn't the problem with Brawl. Are you false flagging or just dumb?

>>256828749
cant we just say that all the smash games are fun
i dont feel like im bullshitting here

>>256828328
>You can use Amiibos to transfer your custom movesets
Amiibos are custom AI, when you touch them to the gamepad they are added as a player slot on the character select screen. The data stays inside the figure, you can't use it to transfer stuff to other fighters. Touching a Mario figure to the gamepad won't give you that figures moveset the next time you pick Mario

>and the Amiibos do allow you to transfer your own movesets across systems.
No both games have a section on their menu for the other platform. To exchange data.

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>>256828746

>>256828749
That's the true Smash master race

>>256829042
Why are you assuming amiibos are only capable of one function?

What's wrong with Brawl?

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The biggest issue with custom movesets in tournament play is how long they take to setup. Smash is already notorious for how long matches take and anything that adds to that.

Then again the movesets will be min/maxed in like a month

>>256823340
Holy shit stop viraling YOUR FUCKING SHIT GAME NINTENDO

>>256829182
They told us EXACTLY how amiibos work. And there is already another system for sharing data between versions. Also as far as we know there is no system in place for Amiibos to be usable on the 3DS version of Smash.

can I take equipment off? Can i play naked?

> yfw can finally put to rest the myth whether or not the Star Fox Group have metal legs by unequipping their boots

>>256829017
The only people I've met that think brawl is fun (in actual gameplay) are the people that have never played melee or PM or 64.

Brawl's severe lack of character balance and gameplay speed and /"floatiness"/ combine to make a thoroughly unfun game when developed at any level, casual or competitive.

Basically, Brawl gets old really fast.

>>256829017

They are all fun (maybe not brawl), but we as fans should want and expect better. There is nothing wrong with wanting a game to have depth along with being easy to pick up.

>>256825929
What the fuck is ">muh velocity" even supposed to mean?

Do you really think that ground dashing speed is the only reason people prefer melee over later entries?

>>256829220
people dislike it too much
the gravity is just slightly flawed and tripping is annoying
but its mostly fine

>>256829549
so i played 64 when it came out and i played melee from '04 until brawl came out and i still think brawl is great fun
then what does that make me

>>256823340
> Being this retarded

>>256823340
>Tournies
>Customization

You really don't understand just how awful tourney fags are at sucking any kind of emergent gameplay out of everything.

>>256829220
It wasn't perfect so obviously it's complete shit and actively offensive to me since gamers can only think in extremes

>>256829549
i wont dispute that
but there are some things that brawl has that melee does that are nice and worth playing the game for
for example wario, pokemon trainer, falcons turn punch, a couple cool stages

>>256829614
>Metaknight
>game unbalanced whether items are on or off
>Fucking metanight
>chaingrabbing fucking broken infinites
>Sakurai made his own characters broken (Read: METAKNIGHT and also dedede with the chaingrabs and shit)

>>256829220
>>256829614

The most effective strategy is to play like a faggot. That is more than enough reason to not like brawl. The only way to have fun with it is to play like a retard, which is shit-tier game design

>>256825338
You can pick your ultras in SFIV.

>>256829476

but there is anon.

>>256829081
>>256828863

But that's a legitimate excuse tho, you can maemae all you want but it's true, Nintendo reps were taking suggestions and stuff from people at E3, obviously the finished product is gonna be better than the unfinished product that had at E3. How much better? Well, we'll have to wait see.

>>256829884

None of those have anything to do with gameplay. Brawl also might have the top 5 worst stages in the entire series

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>>256823809
>spends over ten years mastering a game
>not a real fan

>>256829884
I agree, though I dislike Wario as a character.

I just don't believe that those are enough to save brawl as a game (but project >Mplying has all of those)

>>256829903
then dont play as metaknight
when are people ever in a situation where they actually deal with metaknight
hes just become the icon that people use to poop on the game
and there was chaingrabbing in melee
it takes skill and almost no one does it seriously
stop whining

>>256828072
>it's shit for everyone but the players
So why should I care if all I want to do is play the fucking game?

>>256829549
I've played all 3 and can tell you you're full of shit. I played Brawl for 5 years on and off before I stopped and went to other games. I'd say that's pretty fucking fun.

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>>256830080

That sounds like the same shit we heard about dmc and many other terrible games

>>256830047
No there isn't. Every promotional material has had the Wii U version only. And no one has said anything about amiibos being usable on the 3DS version. And before you bring up the thing they're releasing for the 3DS, I already know about that. I'm talking about Smash 3DS, the game, doesn't have anything in place right now to support amiibos.

>>256823340
Or people can just play Melee instead of spending money on toys

I hate Brawl. Do I fit in yet? Am I cool now guys?

>>256830110
then dont play on those stages

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>>256823809
>if you prefer melee you're not a real fan of smash

>>256829549
I literally played every Smash and Project M.
I enjoy Brawl a lot and still play it. The only people I've met who play project M are wannabe tourneyfags who are not that good.

>SSB4 allows players to re-balance the game as they please

We already have a game that does this. It's called Project M.

And Melee is still the best anyway

>>256830164

Chaingrabs definitely don't take skill in brawl. Most are literally downthrow, step foward, downthrow. The ice climbers are the only character that have tricky grab setups. At least in melee you had to read DI

>>256830191
Because it is shit for the players of other games, and TOs are paying for a venue for you to play it, so you shouldn't be an entitled retarded cunt.
Smash is "allowed" at other majors. It isn't the main event. It shouldn't hog a retarded amount of time or get special treatment just because the players have to police their own game to make it less terrible.
If you want to ruin it for everybody else host your own shit.

>>256830279

It will though

>doesn't have anything in place right now to support amiibos

that's fine, considering neither the game nor amiibos are out anon.

Amiibos aren't coming out till this holiday*, and 3ds amiibo support is coming early next year, it will have it, but considering neither are out, it doesn't matter

>>256830164
>then dont play as metaknight
cool, guess I'll just go get raped by metaknight players then

>when are people ever in a situation where they actually deal with metaknight
>hes just become the icon that people use to poop on the game
because he's blatantly broken with maximum move priority and damage and recovery and jesus they didn't think about balance at all

>and there was chaingrabbing in melee
>it takes skill and almost no one does it

Melee chains require you to predict which way your opponent will go next (which is essentially random unless you're in their head)
Wobbling is the exception and the Icies have nothing else to fight with


confirmed for learn some education

>>256830552
Yeah but the game will actually be stable in this case, not a glitchy mod that you can never fully trust.

http://strawpoll.me/2288253

>>256830250

dmc was practically dead on concept alone tho, and the dmc devs showed more contempt pretty openly for the fans than sakurai's team is

>>256830694
I don't care if it WILL. I'm saying that it doesn't at this point in time, and you were stubbornly refusing to believe that.

>>256823737
>Meleefags ban custom moves because they take too long to set up
>meanwhile I go to GenCon and game setup takes an hour on average with no complaints
Why are tourneyfags so terrible?

Melee is the only good Smash Bros. game.

>>256830819
>project m
>glitchy

gonna need an example because i've never ever seen PM break

sounds like you're projecting your experience with other mods

>>256830819
I trust modders more than I trust Sakurai or Nintendo
Sakurai wouldn't even acknowledge competitive Smash exists right when competitive players were playing in front of him

>>256830925
Because tournaments operate on a schedule, and venues cost money to rent.
Shut the fuck up.

>>256823340
>Tournaments will be able to adjust movesets and stats to their liking
As far as I know, no tournament has ever done this. It'd be kind of a mess for the organizers.

But yes, it'll be fun regardless.

>>256830662
How about planning your shit knowing beforehand that matches are long instead of half-assing it and then complaining when you fuck up?

>>256830860
Nice rigged poll. Everyone knows Melee is the best Smash Bros. game.

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>>256830925
>Smash tourneys should just start taking twice as long to set up because GenCon does it

>>256831093
I'm not talking about design, I'm talking about stability and consistency

>>256829368
This is singlehandedly the most hilarious bait I've ever read.
You win a cookie, anon.

>>256831232
as the poll maker, I voted Melee. What are you talking about?

>>256831296
I've never had Project M crash. I suggest replying to this guy >>256831030

Speed is probably what's most important in these things, right? Guess I'll be the world's fastest Ridley.

Competitive/Balanced Tier:
Project M, SSB64

Slow/Floating Casual Tier
Brawl

Autism Tier
Melee

>>256831296
where the hell did you get the idea that PM is even remotely unstable

shittons of money are put into PM tourneys, especially CEO and Zenith, no fucking way you have a clue what you're talking about

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Banned_stage

Why do Smashfags hate fun?

>>256831553
You win.

>>256831414
I have had it crash. I've had it take multiple attempts just to boot up. I've had it never allow us into tourney mode (always going into rotation for some reason), and just by its nature you can't trust a mod to be consistent. There amount of quality control and QA is too small and the problems can always arise.

>>256830920

No shit it doesn't at this point in time.
Neither are out, at this point in time

what are you crying about

the post i responded to was;
>>256829476

where you said
>as far as we know there is no system in place for amiibos to be usable on the 3ds version of smash

and i said that was wrong you fucktard, because as far as we know, there is a system in place for exactly that

>>256831715
It's called the Tourneyfag effect.
When people find a way to make everything as "competitive" and "srsbusiness" and "hardcore" as possible, they'll do it, at the cost of pretty much every thing that makes the game enjoyable. Screw the stages, screw the items, screw the smashballs, it's all about tiers and motherfucking wavedashing.

>>256831715
Because some people think that they need to throw a shit storm until there is close to zero % chance of loss from RNG, even though characters like Luigi, Peach, and Mr. Game & Watch all have it.

>>256829984

The nice thing about ultras is that there are only 2 options and it's on the character select screen.

Unless Smash 4 has a VERY fluid menu design for custom movesets I don't see it being used in any tourneys. That shit will be a nightmare.

>>256831802
>I've had it never allow us into tourney mode (always going into rotation for some reason)

Project M doesn't have tourney mode because the new characters make it not work for some reason

and if you've had problems booting PM, it's because of something YOU did, not the mod.

>>256831715
Do you really think that low tier characters enjoy getting shit on harder than usual?

>>256831875
>and i said that was wrong you fucktard, because as far as we know, there is a system in place for exactly that
Except there isn't. Show me where they said Smash Bros 3DS would support the amiibo figures.

>>256831715
tl;dr THE STAGES CHANGE, IT'S IMBALANCED
lel tourneyfags

>>256825359
>>256825745
samefag harder

>>256831553
>P:M
>Competitive

I honestly think Brawl is a superior competitive game to P:M in nearly every way and I'm a meleefag[/spoiler}

>>256831030
If you play default brawl with P:M sd card in the wii and select random map the game crashes, because of this I don't play PM

>>256831916
You know you can be casual and still prefer certain stages and prefer playing with items off right? I've never been a competitive person but items off was how I enjoyed playing Melee. Brawl I tend to prefer with items though, dat soccer ball.

Is anybody else actually really fucking stoked for the new Smash?
I didn't think I could be after Brawl, but this shit looks fucking great.

>>256831715
>lose a high stakes match with money on the line because a character has an absurd advantage on a stage

yeah, "fun"

>>256831715
Why do you give a shit what the comp scene bans?

As this guy stated, >>256832021, we are helping out low tier characters not getting shit on by higher tiers.

>>256829549
Only delusional tourneyfags say this. I like PM, but brawl was still fun with friends. Non competitive players (i.e. those who just play 4v4 with items) won't even notice any of the gameplay changes you care about. They'd rather play brawl because it has more items and for the final smashes.

>>256832098
you are just mad because PM has started to take over on streams were melee used to be popular.

>>256825338
>pretty much no pro play allows custom characters in any game or using different versions of their character other than the current, like in usf4
You're wrong in every respect and talking out your ass
You can pick ultras for starters

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>>256832202
>playing an RNG filled party game for money

>>256832202
>playing videogames for money
Found your problem.

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>>256832159

It looks underwhelming so far. You can tell sakurai is tired of making them, but we'll see

>>256832098
>I honestly think Brawl is a superior competitive game to P:M in nearly every way

you're lying or have contracted downs

>>256832112
you're saying you're far too obese to get off the couch and use your dewrito soaked fingers to remove the sd card

just disable custom stages in random select

>>256831715
>stages with walk offs are banned
Let the meta set itself into place. This forced meta is league of legends shit tier.

64: Kirby
Melee: Fox/Falco/Marth
Brawl: Metaknight/Snake
PM: Everyone viable

>>256832202
Why would anyone ever bet cold hard cash on Smash Bros? Reminds me of Saltybet, but at least that's play money

>>256831994
>it has problems and nobody really understands why
>but it's super stable and you can trust the game to be consistent
Alright...you can chalk it up to paranoia on my part if you want but I can't feel comfortable in that kind of environment. Makes me feel like the game could just screw up at any time.

>>256831875
Not him, but how could the 3DS support Amiibos at all? It's NFC technology, and the 3DS doesn't have that. There would have to be a 3DS attachment for NFC.

>>256832694
they're making an attachment

who is the most overpowered character in project M?

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>>256832394

I'm beginning to think non-competitive or casual is synonymous with bad. You don't even have to be particularly good to notice all of brawl's faults.

>>256832694
Nintendo already said they're coming out with an add on.

>>256832394
I know from experience you're wrong.

I forced a group of my ultracasual items-on friends to play project m instead of brawl for a while because it was my system
>anon stop using hacks lets just play brawl
"no no seriously try this you'll like it"

I spent the next week or two teaching them the differences and basic shit (no wavedancing glideflossing edgehagging whatever)

and they hated brawl from then on

So is Nintendo selling an official gamecube controller for the Wii U? when? I see the gameplay footage and it's with GC controllers..

wut.

>>256832469
>RNG filled
Like what? The disableable items?

>>256832643
Yo, Saltybet is fucking good times.

>>256832535
walk offs are banned because characters like d3 and falco and mk have infinite chaingrabs on half the cast that can take them to the blast zone

if melee had better walkoffs they'd prolly be unbanned or at least counterpick but brawl is too inherently broken for it

>>256828540
what is 64

>>256833229
shit

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>>256832984
You put all the right keyords into that post, why not put them into the Google search bar?

>>256832771
no one has a good opinion on this. based on results it's most likely mewtwo or snake or duddy kung

>>256832467
Ultras have only 3 options and takes up close to half a second of extra time to set up. I doubt custom moves will be the same.

>>256833131

Walkoffs are banned in melee too because fox can infinite the cast.

>>256833229
Shit? Because Pikachu and Kirby are overpowered?

For normal tourneys that don't involve money, it will be fine.
But when it comes to tournaments that involve money, only speed matters.

>People complain when someone says they need a break between matches.
>People complain if the gameplay itself isn't fast as shit.
>People complain if its stock not timed, as someone will stall and make the game last longer.
>People complain that if these things had judges of some kind, it will take even more time what with Judges having to argue with the players.

Seriously.
The only thing that matters in Smash money tournaments to those people is time.
And yes, if custom movesest take just two more button clicks to choose, they aren't going to fly cause that's two seconds of their important time.
The Project M people seperated Pokemon Trainer because switching out pokemon to them "took too long"

Why are these people so addicted to speed for everything? Are they on drugs or something?

>>256832984
GC controller adaptor, and they're making new controllers as well, releasing around the same time as the Wii U version.

>>256832984
Probably launching the GC adapter and new GC controllers alongside the WiiU version of Smash

>>256833292
Fuck you 64's as good as melee on any level.

>>256832970
All of my casual friends dropped Melee inmmediatly after they played Brawl. We played melee for years, and 64 before that. They didn't even care about PM when they heard it was Melee-like.

>>256832518
>You can tell sakurai is tired of making them, but we'll see
No, I really can't.

>Implying your not gonna shove your favorite Smash Character inside an Amiibo, train the fuck out of them and have amiiboo money matches

Also is it just me or does Mario look significantly better than usual in OP's image?

>Sakurai hates tournament players
>Makes the game even more casual
>Removes mobility options, shit is awkward
>Still makes Final Destination versions of stages
>For Glory mode
>Encouraging the use of GC controllers instead of forcing the competitive scene to use another controller
>Implying real casuals care about how better a GC controller is for playing Smash, he didn't do it for them

Is Sakurai bipolar or something? Whose side is he on? God damn.

>>256833360

thank you, I have a friend who uses lucario to great effect and I need to beat him.

>>256833292
>>256833379

hold on now. Melee is the best and all, but 64 was a pretty damn good start for the series.

>>256832518

>Underwhelmed

Tastes anon, and it depends on what your priorities are.

Also heck no, Sakurai himself wanted to make Smash4, the polar opposite of when Brawl was made before he was even told about it

>>256833463

I was the opposite for me and our group of friends. Brawl was so disappointing that we silently stopped playing it. It was pretty sad.

>>256832750
>>256832814
Oh, thanks for informing me, I'd somehow missed that.

>>256833543
How about he is pandering to both?

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>there are people that think that Smash will ever be taken seriously as a competitive game

>>256833386
>The only thing that matters in Smash money tournaments to those people is time.

Time is important in any fucking tourney, stop trying to make Smash players look bad. When you have to do hundreds of matches on a limited schedule, of course you're going to want things to move as fast and as smoothly as possible. Wasting time sifting through menus is time wasted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6boOKl674kI

How can you guys call brawl bad?

>>256833543

>Removes Mobility options

What the FUCK are you talking about? Mobility in new Smash is significantly better here than in Brawl.

Also Sakurai said many times, new Smash is meant to fuse the best of Melee and Brawl while being its own game

>>256833549
if you're getting pounded by a lucario you're probably not at the level where you can abuse glidetossing on diddy and float cancel n-airs for mewtwo on him, but if you want to murder him:

>pick snake
>rack up some decent amount of damage, around 5 or up
>sleepdart him
>place c4 on him
>throw him up
>detonate c4
this strat is unbeatable at casual levels but will make your friend hate the game

>>256833543
Casual players like GC controller for Smash too. It's what we've been using for a decade and we've internalized it too.

>>256829476

Did you even watch the E3 direct?
Jesus fuck, man. They are releasing an accessory for the 3DS specifically for amiibo.

>I was onky p-pretending to be retarted.

>>256833543
No, he stated before that he went out of his way to make Brawl different from Melee. Because it was suppose to be different from Melee.

None of the Smash games are suppose to have the same physics. They will always be different from each other.

Its the same with Mario Party, and Mario Kart.
THIS IS HOW NINTENDO TREATS THEIR FRANCHISES.
To them, Different >>>>>>> improved version
I suggest you get used to it.

>>256833792
both players agreed not to play metaknight or falco before hand, that's the only reason that match even looked semi-interesting

still slower than the average melee game but not really that bad

>>256833792
God, it's so slow and boring

Tripping.

>>256833864

He says many things, most of which are lies to calm the public down. Did you never notice how items in Brawl were nerfed to fuck?

The man lost his touch after Melee, the success got to his head and now he does whatever the fuck he wants because the Smash Bros. name sells for itself. At least the items in Smash 4 seem to hit harder this time around.

>>256834270
REMOVED IN SMASH4

>>256833386
>if custom movesest take just two more button clicks to choose
>making a custom name
>handwarmers

you're retarded, they would have time for that shit if it only took two button clicks

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>>256833792
>The winner is...Donkey Kong!

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>>256833725
>is literally at EVO

>>256834024

This would be fine if brawl wasn't taken in such a shit direction gameplay-wise. It is clearly the odd one out in the series

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Have you ever made kuso gemu?

>>256833792
Nice match.
That ending made me laugh.
Never knew someone could play Pikachu like that damn. Pretty amazing.

>>256834293

Your comment still makes sense

are you seriously gonna ignore the improves New Smash has over Brawl?

This shit isn't words, its what people PLAYED

>>256830860
>12 people voting for worse gameplay because "muh content"

>>256833386
>The Project M people seperated Pokemon Trainer because switching out pokemon to them "took too long"

The pokemon trainer was separated because it would be extremely hard to balance out 3 characters.

>>256833386
>And yes, if custom movesest take just two more button clicks to choose, they aren't going to fly cause that's two seconds of their important time.
As people have said, they already deal with Ultras, they'll deal with this

>>256834763

ultras literally take a split second to choose. We don't know the process for custom moves

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>>256833326
because of feminism

>>256834239
>I only play Melee w/ turbo mode on

>>256834598
Its the result of Nintendo's typical gambling way of always having to make their game installments different from the last ones.

There's a bad Mario Kart.
There's a bad Zelda.
There's a bad Mario Party.
There's a bad 3D Mario.
There's a bad Metroid.

Sunshine VS 64
Ocarina of Time VS Link to the Past
Mario Kart DS VS Mario Kart 8
Etc, etc, etc.

The good news about Brawl being seen as bad is the fact that they are going to make sure that new smash isn't the same as Brawl, just by the fact that they are going to make it different for the sake of being different, not to improve it.

>>256834604
is there supposed to be an actual point in this picture?

>>256834598
On the contrary, 64 is a slower-paced game like Brawl, and as have seen so far, 4 may go the same direction.

May Lay is the odd one out.

>>256835023
i shit you not, the jamaican smash scene literally only played melee on lightning mode because they saw NA players and didn't think people could actually move that fast at normal speed

>>256823340
>tfw realized this
>tfw nobody cared

Nobody cares. People will bitch and moan that it isn't P:M, then they'll just rework the entire game through a mod.

>>256835089
Cry more noa shill

>>256835193
64 has hitstun and doesn't have a ton of defense options like brawl and melee, so it's much more fun at least in that sense

>>256835367
Thought not.

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>>256823340
>Implying character movement speed was the only thing that made Melee fun
You really don't know what you're talking about do you OP?

>>256833792
That's the reason I mained Pikachu in brawl.

>>256835193

>0-death combos: the game
>slow paced

>>256835384
That is true, 64 is a good competitive game. Shame the only good player after all these years is still Isai.

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>>256835023
>turbo mode
You've never watched high level Melee players, have you?

>>256835413
he did not say that at all

you ridiculous spaz

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I sure can't wait to play notBrawl!

>>256823340
Constant hype threads for this game every hour. so much hype. so much riding on this to save the Wii U, justify purchasing it. More hype. Putting all fanboy eggs in one basket. stealing eggs and putting them in same basket.

mfw when game is actually finally released and sucks.

>>256835995
>save the Wii U
>when smash also gets released for the 3ds

Oh boy, another console war fucktard

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>>256824365
>he thinks that meleefags think melee is the perfect smash game

>>256835803
>A sequel is similar to its predecessor
No shit.

>>256827980
Meleefags
>Fans of SSBM

Tourneyfags
>EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LIKE MELEE IT WAS THE PEAK OF FIGHTING GAME DESIGN PROJECT M HITSTUN TRIIIIIIIIIPPPPINNNG

>>256835995

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebFQbwUlIhc

>demo build

but it looks like a sped up brawl so far. It's better but that's a low bar to shoot for

>>256834007
I know that. I didn't say the 3DS wasn't going to be able to use amiibos. I said that the 3DS version of Smash Bros as far as we know doesn't support amiibos. Read my post again.

>>256836292
you don't need to be a tourneyfag to see that tripping was bullshit

>>256835995
Do you not remember the Brawl threads? I assume you haven't been here long enough.
Nobody was vetting on Brawl to save the Wii, and nobody is vetting on Smash 4 to "save" the Wii U.
Big fucking surprise, people are talking about the game because they want to play the game, not for any other reason.
Stop trying to turn a thread about video games into your retarded "Nintendo ded" company war shit.

>>256836172
They wouldn't be meleefags then

>>256835089
>G--gaise pls stop trolling b--b-based Sakurai, he's like the best ever and made epic games like Kirby and Kirby and that other Kirby, pls respect him

>>256836292

but melee was the peak of smash design

>>256836702
see
>>256835391

>>256830250
except Ninja theory made it clear to everyone that they know what they were doing and were not planning on pandering to DMC fans

>>256825230
YOU ARE TEARING ME APART MELEE

>>256831232
>>256834709

Fuck off. For those of us who actually have friends, Brawl is more fun to play. Sure we all have varying degrees of skill, but none of us are experts and no one is going to lock someone out every round. There's a ton more music, stages, characters, and an awesome multiplayer mode that made unlocking everything extremely fun.

You fucking tourneyfags are cancer. You're that guy who shows up at parties with a gamecube and insists on Melee even though no one wants to play because you always win.

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>>256832984
they're selling an adapter that allows you to play with gc controllers

also they're selling special smash edition gc controllers

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In case this is needed again.

>>256832794
Didn't work.

>>256838842
Just because the 3DS supports amiibo doesn't mean Smash Bros 3DS supports amiibo.

>>256839520
Except the part where nintendo told you that you can transfer and use characters from 3ds to wii u and viceversa.

>>256839815
That has nothing to do with amiibo

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>>256838562
>literally being a casual elitist
Nobody could really be this stupid right? This has to be bait right?

Smash 4 looks like a great game and loads of fun. I'm convinced the people lashing out like children over it are in one of these categories:
>Don't own a Wii U and will not get one because poor/negligent and this is a fox-grape situation
>Are just shit flinging for the sake of shit flinging to fit in/bandwagon/cause trouble to fill the empty void
>Tourney fags or deluded individuals that believe they are tourney fags because they defeat all their friends/family in smash with ease

These are the only options that make sense. Project M is a mod, that while fun, not only does not everyone have/want access to, but is just that, a mod of brawl. Melee is an older release that while fun, was improved upon in Brawl, unless you're a cunt who believes the game is supposed to be competitive and it was ruined by brawl, in which case you fall under the list I've made above.

Smash 4 will be a new game that everyone will buy. Face it and stop being a cunt. You'll buy it too and you know it. And if you really like the series, and for some reason don't buy the game, you either fall into one of the aforementioned categories or are a stupid cunt.

You may also just not like smash in general. In which case, you're alright by me. Just don't be a cunt about it.

>>256842531
ok

>>256842531
>Melee is an older release that while fun, was improved upon in Brawl
Not wholly. It improved some aspects, but was made worse in other aspects.