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What does /v/ think of Team Fortress 2?
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Was fun, is not fun any longer.
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Pretty much this.
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It used to be focused and deliberate, now it's a clusterfuck and the game and community is a mess.

It's a reflection on Valve as a company and their attitude toward videogames.
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I started the game from a pub level and moved into the competitive scene for most of the early leagues

Honestly really fun and the community was good to be a part of. No one else took the game seriously so it just deteriorated over time, F2P brought a lot of new players to the scene but few stuck around after getting stomped

I still play a few hours a week in pubs because I do enjoy the game, but for the most part its fairly dull. The added weapons are interesting but mostly gimmicks that don't "ruin" the game but made it a whole lot less interesting to play for long periods of time.

I get why people play it, but as someone who played from the start its kind of lame with the direction valve taken it, but hey it reshaped gaming as we know it.
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I never played it but, I think it's shit.
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Played it quite a lot, then i got into the Dota 2 beta and stopped playing TF2 as my main multiplayer game in favor of doto
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I love it.
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>>256813881
this is a load of bullshit though
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real gamers like myself stopped playing and were replaced by people that act like they're having when it's obvious nobody could actually have fun in this shitty game anymore
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>>256813741
It's fun but probably about 80% of the community sucks

The other percent is the people making those rad SFM videos.
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>>256813741
I wish there was still an artstyle.
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I think it's fun.
I don't care too much about the cosmetics. If I get one randomly I'll wear it, but otherwise I ain't gonna gamble.

The one single item I ever bought was The Original, and that was to skip me over from F2P to full player while also making the only worthwhile purchase I could - after all, who doesn't love Quake's rocket launcher?
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>>256813741
You're not a real man until you start playing as Shotgun engi. No, put that sentry away. No, put that unique weapon away. Grab a stock shotgun and go show the other players who they need to submit to.
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>>256814529
Honestly I see competetive scenes in any game as a bad thing. I really do. Increasing the level of skill past a certain point ensures that certain weapons, classes, or combos will inevitably become purposeless, thus the lack of Pyros in any given comp match.

Any form of playing a game that restricts it so heavily that much of its content is denied usefulness unless it's tweaked until it's absolutely broken, cannot be a good one.
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>>256813741
I've never been really big into TF2, but I've dabbled in it since it went F2P. Can anyone explain how F2P and hats "destroyed" the game? I find it hard to believe that optional cosmetic items can have such a large effect.
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>>256814989

>real gamers
>fake fun
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>>256815474
Pyro is still used in HL and even there it's apparent he's terrible. Play anywhere other than valve pubs and his weaknesses become more apparent to the point where you can't do anything other than babysit sentries and extinguish people.
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>>256814951
It's only partly bullshit

the fact still rings true that TF2 is shit and suckers in morons who buy digital things with real currency
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>>256815692
F2p ruined the game because more people started playing it, and poorly at that. Never mind that many of them would probably eventually pay to get full access and improve over time, F2P surely is only a bad thing.

Hats destroyed the game because now there are trading servers and idle servers (although fewer than there used to be) and cosmetics are now seen as a measure of wealth and nobility except to anyone who actually doesn't give a shit.

>>256815859
Has anyone at all even attempted to use him as an ambush or harassment class and succeeded in any way, shape for form?
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I pretty much just play Mann vs Machine with some friends now. It's been over a year since I played a real match. And I don't want to because I know I'm terrible and would just get dominated
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it's still fun if you find a decent server, which never ever happens.
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>>256813881
>people here still pretend cosmetics affect the game at all
its free to play, you retard. microtransactions are completely down to the player, and they don't give people that choose to pay for shit an advantage
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>>256815692
Neither of them has destroyed it. Everyone likes to complain about new players because it's nice to feel like an elitist, and hats are hats.
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>>256815275
Way to hurt your own team.
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>>256815859
>you can't do anything other than babysit sentries and extinguish people.

uh yeah he's an engi support class always has been
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>>256815859
>essentially a hard counter for the soldier
>terrible
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>>256813741
It's still fun.
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>>256815275
>engi
at least go shotgun pyro

same thing, just with +50hp
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>>256813741

I wish it had better map design.

It feels like every popular fucking map is chokepoint city, be it Gold Rush, 2Fort, or Dustbowl. That shit is so unfun to play, Demos can literally play with their eyes shut and one hand and dominate on those maps.

Why can't we just get more open maps like Badwater, Upward, or Yukon? Those maps are fun as shit, plenty of room to dodge and rocket jump around without feeling fucking confined to chokepoints.
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>>256815859
>>256814529
I played competitive 6v6 for a lil bit. I would have to admit that tf2 is meant to be played in pubs though.
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They should've kept the nerf on Demoman.
They should've removed the nerf on Pyro.
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>>256816683
le coward
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>>256816670

Pyro is barely a soft counter for Soldier, and even then only bad Soldiers.

A 1v1 fight of two equally skilled players playing Pyro and Soldier will always see the Soldier winning.

Soldier has more options for dealing with Pyro and more versatility. As a Soldier you can easily splash the Pyro outside the airblast cone of effect, or you can outshotty him which you will easily win most of the time since you have more HP, or you can simply jump away because you have that ability.

If a Soldier has the high ground a Pyro can not win and most of the time if the Soldier has a shotty the Pyro is fucked anyways.
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>>256816149
>ambush and harassment class
This is a load of shit spouted by people who have never played pyro. Three problems
1. Pyro does not have the mobility or the health to light up a group of enemies then escape alive
2. Afterburn is worthless and easily countered
3. Players have come to expect spies and scouts trying to sneak up behind them, they will see you coming
Stop using the ambush argument, every class is better at it.
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>>256816149
>Has anyone at all even attempted to use him as an ambush or harassment class and succeeded in any way, shape for form?
Somewhat.
I try to think that I'm playing short range spy, and that works out sometimes.

>>256816683
>Not going Baby Blaster then using the fish at full speed
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It is litter ally impossible to play spy without Dead Ringer and Ice Pick
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I like the porn.
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>>256815474

Pyro is useless in 6v6 because of how little mobility he has. Soldier, Demo, Scout, and Med all have better movement than the other classes but Pyro has nothing other than the shitty Detonator, combined with a lack of range and damage.

The only time a Pyro is used is for defending last against an uber since all Pyro needs to do is right click to stop ubers.
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What's happening in the pic? Are they all grasping at scouts dick or something?
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>>256816889
And I agree doesn't change the fact that pyro is incredibly weak. Maybe if he brought more to the table and was an actual serious threat to demo/soldier he'd see more use in competitive games.
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>>256814775
>/v/
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>>256817093
if the pyro can't dodge splash, that means the soldier is in flamethrower range (assuming the soldier didn't ambush the pyro)

the rest of your points are valid though

i do still think that the pyro is a hard counter for the soldier, just because 75% of basically every soldier's output is rockets, and any vaguely competent pyro can shut this down
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>>256817170
Sounds like you need to Better yourself at the game by practicing

Plus ice pick sucks. Can't get heater heavies and it leaves a fat sign saying "SPY WAS HERE, WATCH YOUR BACK"
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>>256817116
This is the problem. Pyro was ambush and harassment. The vast plethora of items that were added neutered Pyro completely.

in vanilla TF2, the best way to play Pyro was to ambush lone targets, or ambush groups, set them ablaze and then run away while blasting them with a shotgun.

Pyro has no role anymore, like you said, everyone does what he does better.
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>>256816903
what nerfs?

I havent played in forever
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>>256816459
Except another engineer could do everything he can better.
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>>256815692
People like to pretend that having paid for the game makes them special.
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>>256817659
Stickies had a damage rampup time added to make air detonations less effective. Demos wailed bloody murder and it was reversed in less than a weak.
The Axtinguisher now does minicrits instead of crits.
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>>256817170
If you're shit, maybe. It's often times a touch of luck, but it's all about striking at the right time and striking hard. Pop in, hit them in order of importance, drop out. Or harass an engineer's shit to slow him down. I'm not a fan of the red tape, but it does have its uses (unless they nerfed it more, which they should've).
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>>256816670
>hard counter for the soldier
>shoot timed rockets
>make one or two hit the ground instead of direct hits
>dies like anyone else

top lel
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Is sandman still banned from 6v6?
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>>256817410
They're trying to arm wrestle Heavy, but they must work together to defeat his incredible Soviet might.
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>All these newbloods who only started playing during Mannconomy Cancer update ITT
>Pyro is underpowered to them and doesn't pose a threat to anyone
>Engineer is underpowered to them
>Demoman is overpowered to them
>Demoknight is fun to them
>Spy is too hard without the Dead Ringer for them
Holy fuck y'all are some kinda form of terrible. This is seriously the best case to just say GIT GUD because the unlocks that classes like Pyro, Spy, and Engineer have received have made them so fucking easy to use for brain dead retards it's not even funny. If you're having trouble fighting people with a minisentry doing at LEAST 50% of your damage or all of your pyro weaponry dealing either guaranteed full or minicrits, you're part of the reason TF2 is so shit; you're the SPUF audience.
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>>256817170
Haha what? The original base loadout is actually still the most versatile. But you need to not be a complete idiot who relies on magical powers to not die in order to utilize it.

Basically you need practice and experience. Spy has always been a technical, strategic class centered around knowing common player psychology, calculated movements, and staying concealed.

A LOT of people don't seem to realize just how important it is to not let the enemy team know there's a Spy running around. Spies cause the most damage when nobody is watching their backs. But then you use shit like ice pick and dead ringer which make loud noises and leave statues that serve as gigantic "WATCH THE FUCK OUT THERE'S A SPY HERE" signals.
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>>256818145
I've been playing since 2010 and Pyro has almost always been underpowered.
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>>256815275
>Slap teles down
>Dispenser some place the team can benefit from as much as possible
>Sentry/mini sentry guarding obj or in a spot no one expects
>Grab shotty and become a lead farmer
>If another engie is around, help them with shit real quick or when stuff goes bad
>Keep short circuit handy too
I did a 17 streak the other day doing just that, better than any other class streak which is scout with 13. Not shabby i'd say.
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>>256813741
If you don't know by now, you're an idiot...or you're baiting
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>>256818145
Pyro is shit m8
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>>256817616
>The vast plethora of items
stop right there pleb, the items added to tf2 don't change the gameplay to the degree that an entire class is completely invalidated

a pyro ambushes a soldier. assume he doesn't suck and can anticipate and reflect rockets at close range, and hit shit with his shotgun. what GAME BREAKING NEW ITEMS allow the soldier to repel the pyro better than the stock?

there's a reason competent players use vanilla weapons and you know it
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Pyro a shit.
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>>256818145
>Demoknight is fun to them
Zatoichi Demoknight on Turbine is so much fun it should be illegal.
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>>256817616
Pyro has never ever been good at those things, get your head out of your ass.
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>>256818412
Pyro is powerful as fuck. You need to git gud cuz you're bad.
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>>256818417
The escape plan.
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Why is it that Team Fortress 2 is the only game that encourages using the best items and the best characters in comp play? there's absolutely minimal variation otherwise.
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>>256818614
I like cuntsman sniper in the vents on that map.
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>>256819040
Name a game that does not.
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>>256818746
no retard, goan fast doesn't save him

if the soldier is at scout speed he's already at 40HP, and he's still burning, and the pyro is up his ass with the shotgun

and if the escape plan is the one thing you can come up with for that situation, then all your rambling about the pyro being invalidated by extra weapons is extra retarded
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Only fun with friends, really.

It's fun to go in with 6+ people who are communicating and actually know how to play (well) and essentially take over a server.
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>Any form of playing a game that restricts it so heavily that much of its content is denied usefulness unless it's tweaked until it's absolutely broken, cannot be a good one.

This has more to do with valve ruining the game for any skilled play and turning it into a pub game over. We very easily could have had it both ways but valve chose to ignore the people in the competitive scene (minus a few UI tweaks like spectator mode).

Doesn't help they broke replays every patch, wouold patch at random times so there would be times when players would DC from something like an ESEA/CEVO match due to connections, the game would patch at like 8pm on a Wednesday and you were forced t o play man down. Real cool.

You have to remember the competitive scene was around before the weapons even got added, it was looking great with the medic update with the kritz and uber saw that added a lot to medic play at high level. Then everything else got added and the game slowly became worse/unfun to play as seriously since you know no one fucking cares about, not the esports community (even l4d fans would shit on us at lans lol. I was so happy when l4d2 basically killed their community

Although no real esport potential due to spectators being clueless without knowing the game, so fuck it I guess

It is a shitty competitive game now, but there was a point that it was hella fun

Honestly most of the variables as to why competitive tf2 is a broke is because valve just doesn't give a fuck about it, they never did. It would have been easy for them to promote it, instead they go full retard with items and hats and not give a fuck about balance, just lolrandom fun

Man I don't even know what I'm ranting about anymore but fuck man 6v6 was really fucking fun for a period, especially in the higher levels of play
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>>256819247
any fighting game that's not marvel
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>>256818417
I dunno, man. I'd say the Homewrecker kind of invalidates spy to a certain extent.

Hell, pyro's my favorite class and I think sapper removal on pyro is fucking busted. If you have half of a brain-stem the spy probably won't get near the engi setup in general. Then if he manages to get past you and sap all of that shit and kill the engineer, he still isn't rewarded for outplaying the shit out of you? It's nonsense
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I like it and play it daily.
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>>256816683
Aha, but they expect that. No one expects a shotgun engi.

>>256816450
obv i still have a sentry in the main base;i just dont maintain it.
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>>256819545
just who are you trying to fool
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>>256818726
>>256818145
>git gud cuz you're bad.
>you are wrong about these classes because I said so
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good game for younger steam users who don't own nintendo console
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>>256819759
Also pistol

That retarded amount of ammo is so good
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The source filmmaker movies valve makes are far more entertaining than the game.

I played plenty of the game back when it was new and they were adding all kinds of content for it, but it's very hard to find a reason to keep playing it. There's no real reward for winning, so i just drop in and drop out of games whenever i want. Pretty much like counter-strike.

I can play counter-strike more competitively in global offensive because of the match making that punishes for early leaving. But ultimately i don't want to commit whatever amount of time the game requires, i just want to shoot shit up.

You can only enjoy FPS games for so long though, there's no real learning curve or skill involved other than having good reaction time and understand how the weapons work.
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>>256819823
But being bad does invalidate what you have to say. Why do you think we don't take DSP seriously?
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>>256819893
>there's no real learning curve or skill involved other than having good reaction time and understand how the weapons work.

Its hardly that simple, but yeah unless you want to invest 40-60 hours a week into the game yeah that is pretty much what it boils down to for a casual level
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>>256813741
A game that can be very entertaining and fun just play the game how you want, work as a team, and more importantly be sure to have fun and never take it too seriously. Take every new patch as more of a good thing instead of "THIS PATCH RUINED THE GAME!"
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>>256819884
This guy gets it.
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>>256818417
> tf2 don't change the gameplay to the degree that an entire class is completely invalidated
afterburn has more counters than ever before
engineer can block projectiles now, better than pyro
more debuff unlocks now that are actually effective unlike afterburn
flamethrower is weaker than every other primary in the game
soldier and scout are far better at flanking than pyro with gunboats and BFB
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>>256819642
>he still isn't rewarded for outplaying the shit out of you? It's nonsense

yeah i actually agree with this

i'm pretty sure in practice the actual percentage of sappers getting removed by homewreckers is quite low, but you're totally correct to say that it pretty much vetos all the spy's efforts the times that it is succesful

i've never actually heard a complaint about it before, but you're 100% right about it
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>>256820175
It's a lot more complicated, but there are harder game genres out there.
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>>256819823
I haven't played against good people in years but it wouldn't surprise me if the current pyro was actually really good in the right hands

Airblast only has like a second between puffs and cost fuck all ammo
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More like MEME Fortress 2. Amirite?
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I'm conga dancing while im reading this thread
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>>256819780
I'm asking a question. I'm not exactly sure if you're trying to be epic or legit just retarded.
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>>256820391
>but it wouldn't surprise me if the current pyro was actually really good in the right hands
I play pyro more than any other class at 3k hours. He's still shit.
If it weren't for the fact that pyro is fun to play, I could easily go demo and stomp every single game it takes no effort. Pyro you have to fight for every single kill because his DPS is so fucking awful.
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>>256820824
a 12 year old can play demo and win in pubs. its not hard

I was talking more 6v6 seting but that doesn't exist/doesn't matter so just ignore me
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>>256820920
>mfw you hardly see these anymore
I miss all the joke ones people bought
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>>256820920
Rarity is better
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>>256820824
At least you have to TRY with Pyro, soldier and demo can be effective by just spamming.
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>>256819318
>Handgina
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>>256813741
Worst fanbase ever

It's like an autistic perfect storm of Valve-drones, Bronies, There is no cake, Le Reddit.

It's gross and annoying to be around.
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>>256821336
That's exactly my point, soldier and demo are extremely effective with little to no effort put in. Pyro to be effective at all you have to break your ass and like spy after a certain point if the enemy team is skilled enough you can't accomplish anything. Pyro is underpowered.
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>>256820920
What is this?

I stopped playing when they added those lasers
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>>256820552
Tiers exist in all fighting games and higher-tier characters are much more likely to be used in comp play over their lower-tier alternatives. Marvel is not excluded from this.

All games in a competitive scene will use characters/weapons/whatever that are most effective while letting less effective ones fall to the wayside.
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>>256821831
100$ glob of pixels to ask someone to marry you live on tf2
Gets broadcast to all servers
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>>256821713
You have me there, Pyros and spys have alot of "tricks" backstab, airblast, deadringer and axtinguisher once the enemy becomes aware you have a dead ringer or are going to airblast back something its easy avoid these classes limited tricks.
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>>256822235
Valve literally killing PC gaming with Zynga tier crap
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Its now a guilty pleasure for me to play regularly.
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So has anyone worked out what those boards that popped up over all the maps mean?
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>>256822323
>pc not even hooked up.
Weak.
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>>256822235
I used to play back when those things were introduced, you saw about 2-3 every match, I have no idea what kind of person buys a 100$ digital ring, would make more sense to save the one hindered to put towards...a real ring.
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>>256821227
Pyro is the very, very last class anyone would ever play in 6s. Sniper is the most common mixer since hes great for picking and generally holding off players, Spy can very rarely get a pick too and even Heavy/Engi may get used on a final point defence, but Pyro? Fucking no. Youll get mauled by Scouts and Soldiers wont dare to shoot rockets near you just in case you do reflect and pop their Medic so youll just get shotgunned down before getting into range. Hes got no mobility and no [reliable] means to deal damage past the tip of his flamethrower.

In pubs, however? Hes not too shabby. If you can avoid Heavies then you can easily drop many classes and, thanks to attrition, reflect kills are easy. Using the Powerjack you can somewhat reliably move about and keep yourself topped off.

I mean, any other class can do just as well -- if not better -- than him in pubs too. If youre even half good at keeping an eye on your surroundings and playing with range then Pyros and Spies are the two classes that you never need worry about. Theyre just not a threat in the vast majority of situations but are extremely efficient at doing what they can do.
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>>256822534
Nothing will ever be as bad as zynga..i'll never forget the day they ruined Newgrounds.
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>>256822869
I stopped browsing newgrounds, what happened to them with Zynga?
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>>256822232
I meant the Marvel encourages high tier play because of the scene. Other games like Tekken, SF, GG, BB aren't all dictated by tiers.

Kokonoe was considered TopTier and untouchable. There were a few in this year's EVO but a mid tier character won. A Litchi. Among the top, there were also an Az and a Bang with Bang being on the same level as Litchi.
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>>256817124
It's just, I feel like just popping out of corners and using flare shots to build up mmph then moving around and stepping out from behind another corner just as a group goes by would be worth something, y'know? Similar with the backburner. Does that just not happen in comp? What exactly is it about the level of skill at that level that makes those strategies worthless? What about using flares to crit on aflame enemies, or degreaser/reserve shooter juggling in a corner?

It seems like it would work so well in my head, but I've still got the mind of like, 4/10 skill.
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>>256815692

In my mind, F2P didn't kill it, but the hats did. The game has now become more about collecting things than actually playing. People nowadays don't even care if they're playing a match. They just play the game to get stuff, and don't give a shit if they're winning ir not.
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>>256823021
well this mid lifespan of it being relevant, it was pretty much they teamed up with zynga and in order to view 90% of their adult flash games and alot of regular games too you had to install "zynga toolbar" full of ad/spyware that was a bitch to uninstall. Took them a year or two to finally realize they fucked up and remove that shit.
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>>256817403
And powerjack doesn't give him the mobility he needs?
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>>256813741

The millions of different weapons and server mods have killed it. I preordered it originally. It was an amazing game. They started releasing new weapons, and the new weapons were cool and opened up new possibilities on what you could do with the game, and the game was well balanced.

Now I join servers that have instant respawn because god forbid you have to wait 20 seconds after dying, and there are so many different weapons I don't know what the fuck is going to happen when I try fighting anyone. Every class except the pyro has a million different weapons it can use to bullshit its way through a fight because they have some new brand of faggotry you hadn't seen up to that point.
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>>256823882
>20% damage
>reducing damage potential even further
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I bet if you actually had a full 12v12 like the game was designed around, competitive teams would have found uses for the pyro.
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>>256816903
What did they once buff on the pyro?
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>>256824251
>what is highlander
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>>256823332
>popping out of corners and using flare shots
Youd likely hit maybe once and then get flanked or jumped on, if not simply avoided.
>build up mmph
If you havent got the ability to reflect youre dead. Scouts will not let you hit them with flares and even if you do they can outgun you while you reload. Soldiers and Demos simply wont hesitate to bombard you since they know you cant reflect. Their Medic wont be far away so the afterburn is mitigated (actually, theyd LIKE you to burn them a bit and help build their uber nice and fast -- this is actually why the GRU got nerfed) and the flaregun has too little rate of fire to make the crits count.
>What exactly is it about the level of skill at that level that makes those strategies worthless?
>or degreaser/reserve shooter juggling in a corner?
Youd never get close. Scouts crawl the flanks and will call you out, if not give chase and kill you, so Medics will be on guard and will get their pocket to deal with you before youre ever in range (if the roamer doesnt do so anyway).

>>256823882
Not enough; no. Scouts can dance circles round you, in and out of flame range, and Soldiers/Demos will rain down on you.
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>>256816903
They should've nerfed nothing at all
Changing vanilla 7 years in is ridiculous
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>>256813741
literally the same game as release, nothing is different aside from side grades and cosmetics, it's still fun
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We need a new class

GO
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>>256824683
No we really don't. Valve needs to fix and rebalance shit that has been a problem since day 1.
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>>256817116
The pyro is great at disrupting large groups at once, and he needs to have people come in just after he jumps in. In the correct setting he's amazing.

Despite that, he is definitely the worst class. I'm pretty sure the demoman is the only class he has the capability of outplaying. Every other class can easily kill him 1v1 if they're more skilled.
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>>256814529
>but hey it reshaped gaming as we know it.
Lol, Valve-fag detected.
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>>256824795
>The pyro is great at disrupting large groups at once, and he needs to have people come in just after he jumps in
You know who does this better? Demoman and soldier

>I'm pretty sure the demoman is the only class he has the capability of outplaying
GL and stickies both fire faster than he can reflect, do way more damage than anything pyro has, and stickies can be blown up in his face without any consequences.
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>>256824683
No we don't. You're retarded. 3 roles of 3 classes is just fine.
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>>256818276
>Spies cause the most damage when nobody is watching their backs.

>One guy is doing really well as spy
>3 people switch to spy to be like him
>No one is doing well as spy
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>>256818145
>>Pyro is underpowered to them and doesn't pose a threat to anyone

This has always been the case. He's fucking useless apart from spychecking and putting out fires. His DPS is the lowest in the game, comparatively. And he has no range, which means he's shutdown by almost everything since most maps are chokepoints.
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>>256824683
There already is a 10th class, it's the best one yet.
It's called uninstall
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>>256824683

The Cryo.

He slows you down. Eat shit, scouts.
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>>256825620
Isnt that called Natascha?
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>>256819445
I dreamed of a time when the scene would be big enough to have full 12v12 matches like the game was build for. Too bad Valve fucked the game too much before the scene got big enough for that.
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>>256825790

That's a good joke, but no one uses it.
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>>256817124
>implying
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>>256824475
If you catch up behind a group before they notice you're there, half of them will already be dead from your crits before they manage to obliterate you, including medics if you're actually aiming for them first. WHAT WOULD STOP THIS? Same thing for Backburner, although obviously less so.

>Scouts will not let you hit them with flares
With a scorch gun, you don't even need to hit the scout, you can hit anywhere around them and light them aflame, all you need to do is catch them unawares or be able to track/predict their movements.

Am I supposed to take from this the idea that no competent scout would ever get hit by a flare at all under any circumstances? Because I have watched as a pyro with a degreaser and flare gun lit up a scout as he turned a corner, then airblasted him and shot a flare at him in the same motion, utterly demolishing the scout in less than a second.

As for the degreaser / reserve shooter juggling, that was more referring to maybe ambushing one or two enemies, not a thick bunch.
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Fun game. I play it when I'm tired of playing grand strategy games and want to laugh like a crazy faggot.
Playing as Scout feels like playing Doom.
Fils gud mang
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>>256813741
ITS FUN
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Funny how many nigs here say Pyro is op.
Sniper and heavy easily rape Pyro.
Even the medic with that medieval weapon.
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>>256825620
Why not just make a flamethrower that spews out gaseous liquid nitrogen?
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>>256817857
>Demos wailed bloody murder and it was reversed in less than a week.
It was reversed on the same fucking day the nerf was implemented.
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>people still complain about cosmetics

Disable them outright, there's bigger problem with TF2 today than cosmetics that only retards complain about and only retards collect.
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>>256827064
>You can reflect crossbow needles
That has saved me so many times
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>>256827480
Me too, but I stopped playing as Pyro when suddenly all snipers started using le ebin machina and killed me constantly.
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>>256813741
Why is the heavy crushing scouts nuts?
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>>256827428
Yeah, TF2's problem are Engineers being stall masters when they are backed up with a team defending his nest.
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>>256827064
>pubs
>PYRO IS OP
>omg fuckin phlog noob
>only noobs use phlog stop fucking killing me

>comp
>Pyro is the shittiest class, and every other class can counter it under any and all circumstances ever forever.
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>>256816383
This

The gameplay is still completely unchanged
I stopped by and played some of the classic maps after not having played for 5 years and it's the exact same game but with some more weapons.

This guy is severely butthurt about his hats.
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>>256813874
That's what happens when you play a game for hundreds of hours.
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>>256813741
My favorite game but only when played competitively. Pubs went to shit years ago.
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>>256827582
I throw a few flares in their direction usually, even if just one hits they're worried about the next one so they're open to other snipers.
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>>256827813
>pubs still try out and try to figure out cute little scenarios and situations where certain weapons or weapon combinations might be useful

>comp stays the same all day long

Nah. Pubs are fun, comp is tryhard.
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>Getting bored playing Soldier all the time and helping Team
>Decided to try out Sandman Scout for the first time since I joined TF2
>Oh wait I have this Guillotine thing that combos with the Sandman, I might as well try it out
>All those Crit Bleeding
>All those buttmad players
>Nonstop fun
Anyone keeping track of my heads batted in?
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>>256827687
>phlog is for noobs
I like using the phlog because it looks kewl and has this epik ability when you can literally rape the whole team in 10 seconds. You can't reflect shit with it but newfags think it doesn't matter when it's really helpful.
>>256827987
Yeah but sometimes it doesn't work, specially when the other team is full of snipers.
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>>256828027
onomatopeia of the sound a bat hitting a head makes
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>>256828396
Good soldiers and demos destroy a phlog pyro though. Playing against decent players with the phlog just doesn't work no matter how good you are.
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>>256826559
>WHAT WOULD STOP THIS?
They would never let you build up damage in the first place, seeing as every other class destroys you 1v1.

>Same thing for Backburner
Backburner only registers crits if you are directly behind them. If they move even slightly left or right your crits are gone and it's back to regular flamethrower 1v1 which you lose.

>With a scorch gun, you don't even need to hit the scout, you can hit anywhere around them and light them aflame
Even if you did hit them it does no damage at all and for every second you have it out that's an opportunity for them to meatshot you.

>then airblasted him and shot a flare at him in the same motion, utterly demolishing the scout in less than a second.
You're talking pubs, good spacing counters this entirely.
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>>256828794
Yeah pretty much this, however, I play in pubs an soldiers just spam rockets and demomen use their sword.
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>>256828445
zoinks
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>>256814817
This, but with Global Offensive.
Tried to play TF2, but got too used to GO's interface, and the ability to switch weapons by simply tapping the key instead of tapping and clicking. Also TF2 feels too fast.
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>>256829028
erm if there is sword and shield demo then the best way to stop him is with the airblast not phlog. Especially when he is using the tide turner
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>>256829193
>too fast
Pleb/10
Play quake and doom, you will see what is 'too fast'.
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>>256829193
> the ability to switch weapons by simply tapping the key instead of tapping and clicking.
You can change that in the options
Options>KeyBinds>Advanced>Fast Weapon Switch ?
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>>256821309
Shit taste detected
apple pone a best[/spoiler[
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>>256828019
I don't find derping around against incompetents to be "fun".
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>>256829000
>backburner only registers crits under these conditions
But... that's wrong? In pubs I have run up behind groups and as long as it hits their backside it counts, even when they're a person to the side.
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>>256813741

Played way more back in the day. still worth coming back every now and then.

Pretty good game.
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Its fun but its also a joke. In the rare event that they fix a bug about 5 more are introduced
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>>256829489
Motherfucker
So you are telling me that I've played for more than a thousand hours, and just now heard about this?
>>256829362
>Dinosaur games
Barney was looking for you, Fred.
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>>256829839
It also weights a lot because of all those fucking hats.
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>>256829703
its only at 90 degree angle. Spy for example is 180 degree angle registration.
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>>256829878
Yes nigger thats what i'm telling you
This is a setting in all source games
GO just had it enabled from the start, or maybe they removed it because no one uses it in CS
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>>256829878
>disgracing doom and quake's honour
Fucking faggot. Play some fucking doom and quake right now or I'll kill u.
Those games are a must if you like FPS.
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>>256828445
>skinnyrunfastman
kek
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funnest fps you could ever play
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>>256814951
It's 100% true. It doesn't stop you from enjoying TF2, but it does account for the cancerous playerbase and Valve's inconsideration for furthering the game's fun and team balance.
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>>256829646
>they force niche situations that other pubs have no experience with, utterly destroying your team with something that would NEVER work in comp
>watch as a frontier justice, short circuit gunslinger engie fucking successfully nests and destroys any enemies
>watch shortstop scouts mad milk a heavy and destroy him
>IT'S UP TO YOU TO SAVE THE DAY AND BE THE HERO

Pub is fun as fuck. Any game mode where all of the content a game has access to is made viable and there are more situations and strategies to deal with as a result is by very nature better than a setting where only three or four classes out of nine are ever relevant at any point in time, and only with certain loadouts.
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>>256830196
not anymore tho
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>>256825620
That sounds pretty cool

>Flame thrower that shoots liquid nitrogen
>does no damage
>continued frost damage will slow down target until they're frozen in ice
>you need a friendly Pyro to thaw you or a melee strike to break the ice
>can freeze the ground to make it slippery
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>>256827119

Hell, what if they'd said "fuck you" and also put in a 10 second charge-up time for the stickies? Maybe with a visual indicator, the stickies getting more transparent so they're more hidden. It definitely would encourage sticky use as a defensive trap, that's for sure.

But, naturally if anything like this would be added, it would be an unlockable weapon. And since demo only gets demoknight items anymore, we can forget that.
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>lose as a black box soldier to an engineer on close range
>miss rockets, miss shotgun blasts, try to melee but misclick and tf2 gets minimized to desktop
>engineer finishes me off with a gunslinger crit
>punch my laptop so hard it shuts off and lets out a small puff of smoke
I just want to kill myself to sleep
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>>256830350
I had fun playing it yesterday
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>>256829703
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Backburner
>The area behind an enemy that will register critical hits for the weapon is approximately a 90 degree angle centered behind where the opponent is facing
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Can we all have a minute of silence for the best tf2 commentator
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>>256813881
1972
The "Les Enfants Terribles" project
The sons of Big Boss are born
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>>256830974
Who, Star_?
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>>256822534
>zynga tier crap
>literally an optional message ring

It isn't like the ring gives you any bonus, people WANTED to spend 100 bucks on a game-wide message.
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>>256831294
and hell, most of them were stupid jokes
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>>256831064
nooooooo
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Did you guys ever think of playing Gang Garrison? Based mostly on how much /v/ is synonymous with hating TF2, try out GG2.

Its a parody game, based on Vanilla.

http://www.ganggarrison.com/
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>>256816270
>Machine
It's really the only mode I play. Unfortunately 98% of the people in boot camp seem to be retarded and fail to grasp the simplest concepts.

>Play map on expert
>Huntman sniper and medic that only uses his syringes.

They seem surprised everytime a kick vote is called. Its like they expect you to carry them so they can dick around on expert with a useless class.
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>>256831438
I liked it, but the playerbase was never very big, and when i played it about a month ago there was one server with people on, and it was like 10 peopl
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>>256831551
Why don't we host a game night for /v/?
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TF2 is pretty fun with cheats, I'll say that. If only there were more VAC-free servers. Hell, just using the enemy name cheat is good enough for me as an engineer.
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>>256816383
They do affect the game. Compare Orange Box tf2 to the modern version. Almost half of the current servers are dedicated to hat trading. Everything but the maps has blinky neon cosmetic crap attached to it now.
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>>256826559
>If you catch up behind a group before they notice you're there
Reality: they will notice. Comp players are much, much more observant and reactive plus they will tell their team mates about there being someone roaming and where. Its hard enough to reliably flank as a Scout and get a pick at the Medic, let alone with a class thats much slower and bigger.

>Because I have watched [a player in a pub kill another player in a pub kill someone through circumstance]
Thats wonderful and if a Scout does run blindly into you then perhaps the same could be done. Pretty big hope, though. Bearing in mind theres only two of them running around and theyll be mixing up their routes to best stay out of sight and try to catch people off-side. And if you ever get one person theyll tell their team so nobody else falls into it.

>As for the degreaser / reserve shooter juggling
Again and again: you wont get close enough to pull this off on your own terms when you want to. Youll be hoping they run into you which is unreliable and slow. Plus they will learn. They will know thats how you have to operate and will get cautious. Even Snipers can get put out of action by people sticking to routes and areas with lots of cover or otherwise short distances. If all people have to do is add a moderate amount of care when turning a corner (in a cramped environment) you can be damn well sure they will.
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>>256832075
Forgot my picture.
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>>256832075
>mfw people still haven't figured out that this is a thing
>http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2041907
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>>256832661
I don't play the game anymore m8, but I shouldn't need to mod out superfluous shit.
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>>256813881
here's an idea

stop being autistic about hats and muh achieves
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>>256831985
Tell me about it.
>get ayy lmaobox
>free version gives you lock on
>go sniper
>headshot people
>wave at them
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TF2 is a good game, still. It's a fun one to jump into from time to time, especially with friends and especially onto servers that cater to what you want out of the game.

But its developers lost track of the original vision of the game, and buggered about with cosmetic items that defied the artstyle.

I still think the game's great and will fistfight anyone who says otherwise granted that they make the trip, I can't be arsed, but its best years are, apparently, over - unless Valve pulls something out of nowhere that completely revitalises the game.
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>>256833521
babbys first trole
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>>256819319
>pub stars thinking they're good
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>WAAAAAA THEY ADDED EXTRA CONTENT AND ASTHETIC ACCESSORIES THE GAME IS RUINED WAAAAA

Shut the fuck up you faggots. I've been playing the game since around 2009 and I still enjoy it the way it is. The core gameplay hasn't changed, they just added a few extra bells and whistles.
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>>256833880
It's fun, isn't that what games are about?

>find DR spy
>kill him
>wave
>uncloaks
>kill him again
>wave
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>>256834306
Except several classes haven't gotten the amount of buffing and weapon selection bolstering that other classes have gotten, rendering them fucking pointless in any setting but shitty pubs.
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>>256834716
I respect your argument, but I still think the classes are balanced. Besides, everyone knows that the stock weapons are the best weapons.
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>>256834347
>mfw I'm good enough to do this without using cheats
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>>256835251
>everyone knows that the stock weapons are the best weapons
what the fuck are you smoking
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>>256835368
Great new herb. It's called "knowledge". Grew it myself.
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>>256835653
every thread. every fucking thread someone always says "stock weapons are the best" like they're willing it to be true
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>>256815692
>playing arena with people with over 2500hours into the game
>server is strictly arena no crits and NO TRADING
>every 2 mins get some guy that joins and first thing in chat that they put in
>trading X?
Its just that people stopped seeing it as a game and the new people were stupid enough to think that buying items would make you as good as someone with +1000 hours
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>>256813741
It's shit since mannconomy.
Nah, it's shit since Spy vs Sniper, mannconomy was just its final nail.
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>>256813741
It's shit.
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>>256836351

I think people are mostly referring to primaries. Almost every melee is a straight upgrade and there are a ton of sidegrades for secondaries, but stock are the best primaries
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>>256834462
Why shouldn't I be?
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>>256813881
Look at the evil Valve! Unlike CoD4 for example, they add cosmetics! And updates, completly for free! Such an evil thing to do!
Good lord, how do they dare to give promotional items for one of their own games?! Valve is literally Satan!
Jesus Christ, they released TF2 as F2P after four years, how is this possible that the people that bought the game don't even get any advantage?! The F2P players can get EXACTLY the same stuff as the people who bought the game, what a horryfying thing!

And worst of all, they even added economy, and Steam Market! Look at me, I'm whining about a game from year 2007, nearly every multiplayer game is dead from that year, but I'll still call Valve evil because they update their own game!
Only faggots that don't know how to make money out of the community market whine, I've got about 120€ just selling the shit I've gained since year 2008.
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>>256838654
They're a company just like any other. They are not immune to criticism, as much as you would like to believe.
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>>256817659
Demomen, the most powerful class in the game, were made completely useless. Stickies did like 30 damage.

Heavies, the slowest, most boring class in the game, were made even less mobile

Pyro, the weakest class(except spy) in the game, lost their close range burst damage from the axetinguisher and were no longer even theoretically good at close range, which you may remember as the entire point of their class

the demo nerf was removed completely

the heavy nerf was reduced

the pyro nerf stayed
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>>256839216
and, as usual, soldiers got buffs and cool new items, the demoman got a shield, and the pyro got nothing
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>>256813741

The Gunslinger is a horrible piece of shit that gives massive rewards for absolutely zero skill and the game would be better if it was removed or severely nerfed. IMO minis should have a 10-15 second lifespan before they auto-destruct.
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>>256813741
past it's prime
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>>256839216
> not remembering the death-update for Spies, Pyro's afterburn raised from 6 seconds to 10
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I know very little about this game outside of bits and pieces I've seen people say.

Hats are seriously an important part of the TF2 community, and they're completely cosmetic? Am I missing something?
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>>256839836
You can make money off of them. They were also a sign of prestige at one point.

They add nothing to the game except a few new animations. People still pay out the nose for them though.
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