WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
GOOGLE RUINS EVERYTHING
blog.twitch dot tv/2014/08/3136/
Maybe you could, you know...
GET A FUCKING REAL JOB.
The American education system gentlemen and gentlemen. Every broke-ass motherfucker thinks of an 'entrepreneur' as the fist of God himself but he can't even spell the fucking word.
Streaming video games does nothing but give the game developer free advertising. The new system is flagging videos with pure gameplay and muted them for copyright issues. Why the FUCK would you buy a video game streaming site and start removing video game content.
>Big streamers benefit because they make google money
>anybody who streams for fun is shut down for copyrighted music
You guys are fucking retarded if you think this is going to remove e-celebs and camwhores.
This, /v/ needs to stop letting their hatred for e-celebs stop clouding their judgement. Shit like this only lets the big guys get further ahead and makes it way harder for the little guy.
AHHAAHHAHA they are using there service for free. BTFO
Look at this man.
A creature to whom the notion of work which actually producing something of value is so alien, he can conceive only of being paid either for streaming videogames on the internet or flipping hamburgers. "Job" and "Career" are synonyms to him.
Not merely devoid of talent, intelligence, and ambition, but oblivious to how these qualities could exist in others.
But twitch was garbage before this happened.
>buy popular service for shit ton of money
>fuck it up
>people move to one of the dozens of competitors for your service
holy shit google
Nah, I've got a niggaboo friend who is currently finishing his doctorate in law at oxford.
The dregs of humanity having to actually find a means of contributing to society is a good thing.
By big guys I meant music and video game corporations. Cosmo is just some nerd who puts a lot of effort into the games he plays and he built enough of a fanbase so that he can solely do that for a living. When the corporations keep getting their nose in shit like this it just makes it way harder and sometimes impossible for streamers to have success like that and even from a non-financial perspective it just ruins something fun that isn't harming corporations in the first place, they just want as much of the pie as possible and if they can't have it then nobody can.
Also the people that say "lol xd get a real job now!" are complete fucking retards. People like Cosmo found a way to entertain and for people to pay him for it based off of his own effort. It's not like he's streaming a lets play. The video game and the content in it are just the tool he uses to be successful. It would be like a home building show getting shit because they used a brand of tools on a show without the manufacturers permission. No, it's fucking retarded and it's only free advertising.
>going through all that trouble to type out fan fiction levels of edgy euphoric trash
I guess everybody in the entertainment business need to get fucking real jobs too, then, right? Sports stars and movie stars and musicians don't contribute to society, do they? Fucking leeches.
here's a thought, find a new streaming site
we've been stuck with youtube for years because nobody wants anything better (yet complains anyway), lets not get stuck with fucking twichtv too
>Getting paid for playing things in the first place
Absolutely disgusting. Work should be mundane, that's why you get money for doing it. If you have fun making money you're living your life wrong.
>buys them as well
YOU CAN NOT ESCAPE ME
You'd make a perfect communist mang.
>FUCK YOUR SHIT, WE NEED MORE TRACTORS
>MORE TRACTORS, YOU HEAR ME? AND MAKE SOME FUCKING TANKS AS WELL
Listen closely. If somebody is willing to pay for something then let them fucking do it for money.
I know this may seem like a strange thing to tell you guys, but some Twitch devs are apparently doing an AMA on
Reddit/r/Twitchtomorrow at 10:30 PST.
Seems like a good place to watch them try to weasel their way out of this fucking idiotic decision. It even muted their own broadcasts for fuck's sake, and a DotA2 tournament hosted by Valve, and some guy playing Fallout 3 with no music on at all.
I'm a shill to common sense and not freaking out over virtually nothing
and even if twitch did become a useless pile of shit, there's still other video game oriented streaming sites to go to
Yes. How dare I care about things that concern me as an individual because they seem trivial when compared to the plight of others.
I should be happy I even have a pot to piss in! I should be happy I'm not dead! I have no right to do anything to improve or control the direction of my life and the immediate world around me because people in Africa are starving!
There's a difference between athletes and movie stars busting their asses on training camp and all-night shoots and someone sitting on his arse playing videogames and speaking conversationally without any prepared material or effort.
Speedrunners and dudes like Cosmo are legit, but the vast majority of streamers are lazy garbage.
Believe it or not outside clapistan ghetto-chimps are less of a thing.
We have gangster wogs and bikies instead. There was a period of chink triadfags too but that seems to have died down.
>be a musician
>create your own content
>get paid for it
>be an artist
>create your own content
>get paid for it
>be a livestreaming gaymer
>consume other peoples property
>get paid for it
One of these is morally, socially and objectively wrong. Only one.
i love when things like this happen because they prove i was right all along
people don't watch twitch for the music, it shouldn't even matter, it's just noise (and, like i said, fair use and due credit should make it okay. i bet you hate the radio too?)
ITT: Underage fags on /v/ crying about not being able to watch their favorite e-celebs
I fix airplanes so your family can fly across the world without dying in the process.
Game streaming is the lowest of the lowest form of earning an income. Genuinely looked down upon by every other aspect of society.
>Gamers getting BTFO
Based Google. The more, the better. Let's hope they go after Let's Players next.
>defending "let's players"
>supporting LoL/Hearthstone meta culture
you're all cancer and everything that's wrong with video games
>Fuck Newton, this lazy piece of shit! An apple just happened to fall on his head. Compare this to the effort the workers have to put in! Fuck your shit you lazy bastard, go grab a hammer and hammer something you entitled fuck!
I have never watched a stream but I'm really enjoying all this rectal ragnarok this is causing.
Get a job faggots.
>Google killing off e-sports, Gamur Gurlz and e celebs in one sweep
Great. Anything that hurts e-celeb monies is a good thing in my book.
I just want Justin tv back so I can watch married with children to sleep
What about things like GDQ or ESA, where there is background music of the games running ?
>stream snipe some faggot streamer
>play music over VOIP/VON
>their VOD gets muted along with their faggy cries
Oh wow its fucking nothing. Video game streams are the dumbest shit ever, nothing of value was lost.
>It-it's not taking property that isn't mine and distributing it without permission
>My face when piratefags also have butt troubles because it's showing them they're immoral too
reminder that Twitch is fucking gamedevs harder than streamers
Which one is you?
Nice. Now we only need Moot to give a fuck and clean this place.
Yes, Newton defined the laws of gravity and classical mechanics, and invented differential calculus while laying under an apple tree.
>comparing recording yourself playing videogames to being a physicist.
>Many people who derive income from streaming do so while attending university as an alternative to working in some minimum wage shit hole, whether because they don't want to work in one or there are no jobs in the area (for which, removing themselves from the already overburdened minimum-wage job market is actually a good thing)
>"The only way you should be allowed to make any money at all is showing up in some place with no career pathing where you are as expendable as the next guy! Every other way should be banned and you're also lazy and gay. :^)" - retarded anon, 2014
so twitch streamers need new source of music eh? i'm all ears
also 5 names my band
>Dont worry guys! youtube will remain independent!
>Dont worry guys! Oculus rift will remain independent!
>Dont worry guys! EA will let the dev doing their game independently
>Dont worry guys! D3 direction is actually good!
>Dont worry guys! amazing spiderman 3 is good!
this kind of person is the one killing industry
>I hate ecelebs and LPers.
Here, have a medal and a diploma.
>BAAAWWWW PEOPLE GET PAID TO DO SHIT I DON'T LIKE
You kids are gonna have a rough time when you're done with school.
Completely unrelated but I don't suppose anyone has that gif image of the singer who says something about poop or doody and then starts to headbang and whip his hair?
Here's a really cool battlestation pic
>/v/ literally standing for google fucking up twitch because "durr durr streaming is badd because /v/ said so"
i guess you faggots don't watch evo or e3 either, or videogame trailers or reviews because watching videogames is so stupid
1) The original creator of a "guitar" died thousands of years ago.
2) You buy a guitar and unlike your precious Valve games, is a physical object that you own and are allowed to do whatever you like with.
It's really sad, 4chan used to be anti-corporate, but now you're sucking up to Google ruining one internet site after another just because it hurts one you happen to dislike.
/v/ really has sunk low
This might have been far-fetched but I really don't get you guys. Do you really think that just because something takes little to no effort then you shouldn't earn money from it? I don't even watch streams but this train of thought is so leftist that it's beyond my comprehension. Do you really think that you know better than other people what they want to do? If it earns money then there clearly are people who watch and enjoy it. I am aware that their tastes are shit but who fucking cares? Just let them do their thing while we laugh at their retardation.
I can't wait until every babbystreamer has to go get a job
>Enjoy your billion dollar paper weight Google.
Doesn't matter. Once it gets popular it will have to play by the rules in order to monetize it. And guess what? No one is going to of this service for free. So enjoy it while it lasts. It's just a cycle
People uploading stuff to youtube I can at least understand, since video editing is a skill and can take lots of time
I guess with streaming you do have to be entertaining though
>>Dont worry guys! Oculus rift will remain independent!
Actually this will likely remain independant, Instagram and other services brought by Facebook have remained independant for years and they cant risk forcing FB on Rift owners otherwise market alternatives will become popular.
i don't see why this is such a big problem. if twitch users don't like whats happening, they can just migrate to a new site.
This makes no sense to me whatsoever.
First of all, thanks to streaming, the twitch.tv audience gets exposed to new music, and viewers are more likely to become fans of said music. A percentage of them will spend money on concerts, albums, and merchandise.
Secondly, what the hell is wrong with streamers using a FREE streaming service such as pandora or spotify? The audience still has to hear the ads... but thanks to the streamer rebroadcasting already compressed music, the audio is actually in worse quality. Which goes back to my first point. If a member of the audience actually likes the music, he or she will go out of their way to find a higher quality source (whether that be legally or illegally).
So basically, the record companies are losing money by limiting ways people can be exposed to new music. So fucking ass backwards, it's unbelievable.
But what does this have to do with video games newfriend?
Go fuck yourself. There's also a lot of good, entertaining streamers that are enjoyable to watch.
>Wahhh there are some annoying e-celebs. My shit life would be better if they get brought down to my level and everyone else has to suffer for it!!
You are right, because here we must discuss all of that.
We are in /v/ - Trivia and Shitposting after all, right?
If you steam LoL all you need is a huge rack and a low cut top. Like that bitch who quit porn after contracting anal herpies and now makes more money steaming LoL with her tits taking up most of the screen.
>Google knew about streamwhores.
Good google put all your time and energy into fucking up streamer whores instead of changing youtubes layout every two weeks.
It's providing entertainment to people, if they do a good enough job they get paid. I don't see the problem. What's the difference between this and an author sitting in their home writing a book for months?
but unlike youtube's monopoly, there are other stream sites besides twitch.
except they aren't you idiot
ecelebs make dosh from donations and adds
having the saund from VODs removed does nothing for that
all it does is fuck over users
but what o you care, you hate them too, until you try to look up something on youtube and it got taken down because the guy farted in a way that the system interpreted as the new flavor of the month song
I can't imagine the panic of the people who've been streaming for years.
>in job interview
>"says here you got a three year gap between your employment at Staples and coming to us?"
>"o-oh yeah I was uh playing video games online for people"
>uhhh huhh.. Well we'll get back to you about the position, good bye
>they start using shit like Starbomb and other e-celeb work.
Holy fuck this is even worst.
Why can't google just fuck off and stop ruining things people like?
>hey people like youtube, lets buy it and implement this awful system and change youtubes layout every week to piss people off
>hey lets buy twitch for no reason but to make it worse and watch people move on to competitors, therefore making the purchase pointless!
Why google, just fucking why? Leave us alone...
>tfw draskyl constantly has shit playing from pandora
>can't listen to old vods anymore of him going ham/yelling at his friends when they fuck him over in a teamfight because music is bad
>Epic rage bro, FIGHT THE POWER BY SUCKING GOOGLE'S DICK XDD
anon this post by definition is ironic shit posting
The amount of jealousy in this thread that some people make money by doing something they love is topping the charts.
>Audio censorship only affects VODS
>Implying I watch twitch.tv VODS
Lemme know when they start mass-banning channels because of music copyright shit, then I'll start to care.
>laws I don't like shouldn't apply to things I do like! Those old people just don't get it, man!
Pic related, it's you.
Truthfully, there is none, at least as it pertains to the "contribute to society" post I quoted, that's my bad. I thought I was responding to this post in the other thread, where someone was mad that people implied being a Twitch lets player was not tiring or difficult or a real job.
>People who get money for playing video games don't have jobs on the side
I support the free market. If people want to pay someone to do something they enjoy then everyone wins. What I don't support is huge corporations using their huge teams of lawyers and lobbyists to bend the law and either take everything they can from the little guys or make it so that nobody can get anything if they can't. What I also don't support is the retarded mentality of "hurr durr if you're not breaking your back everyday it's not a 'real' job"
Soon, I don't think musical industry cares if there's copyrighted material on vods or on streams. It will be harder to monitor automatically, therefore it will be monitored by new mods/admins
>tfw you only go to twitch out of habit when you just want to shut your brain off for a few minutes
Maybe this will inspire me to actually play games and start speedrunning more, thanks google.
>google does exactly what EA does but with websites
>Do you really think that just because something takes little to no effort then you shouldn't earn money from it?
And copyright owners taking little effort on cashing some royalties from faggots using material that belong to them in the first place is bad somehow.
I love all of these faggots talking about "real jobs" when the're most likely living with their parents working at a fast food shit hole scraping mold off of burgers. Cry harder shit stains, you're right where you belong.
>the place for discussion on world events
No, they aren't.
Are you currently getting back from a service trip to Africa? No? Then fuck off.
Good lord, how are you old enough to type?
Then why aren't you there, prick?
Wow, you're retarded.
Did somebody just say "Casual?"
'Cause i think i just heard someone say "Casual".
That would really just make it worse, given that it'll just be paraded around as an example of how unwilling they are to explain why they actually did this shit.
It wouldn't be too hard to archive the answers anyway, and given how much attention this has been getting I doubt people are just going to let things stay deleted.
Except this time it'll hurt streamer whores and not make me sad
>One of these is morally, socially and objectively wrong.
None of them are. There is currently no precedent stating that making money off streaming games is legal or illegal, and big companies use this to bully streamers knowing they don't have the money to fight back in court.
>being obsessed with a scene as dumb as the pro fighting game community
It doesn't matter weather it's free advertising or helps the artist, if he doesn't want it there, it shouldn't be there, he should have the right over his creation.
It like if you painted you car some godawful color, let's say red, then some guy went and painted your car green, technically it's an improvement for everyone but it's still your car and ultimately you should be the one to have the final say about weather it should be on twitch or not.
Maybe the post itself was tongue-in-cheek, but the reality is that there are people who genuinely have this mindset, and they ARE in the industry, and they ARE in the legislature.
What is google going to buy 4chan? I'm sure that'll be a profitable acquisition...
Jesus christ how dull are you? I can easily complain about Google and send rockets into Palestine and Israel, and I learned how to do so by studying. Learn to multitask.
There's plenty of games who got the recognition they deserve that they normally wouldn't have got unless a famous streamer on Twitch had told people about said game, played it on stream, and spread the word about it.
I'm sure there's plenty of good games you wouldn't have even known about because of that.
>Speedrunners and dudes like Cosmo are legit, but the vast majority of streamers are lazy garbage.
Cosmo himself is fucking lazy. What makes him less lazy than someone like say ZFG or Cyghfer? You also realize the vast majority of streamers worth mentioning are competitive in their games (FGC, RTS, etc) or speedrunning, right? There are very few people who are big for just letsplaying shit on Twitch alone. And all the other people with 1-150 viewers do it because they enjoy it, it's a hobby in itself. There's nothing wrong with getting and ever-so-slight compensation for doing it. Ads are fractions of a penny per view.
Or do you seriously believe everyone who streams just wants money and nothing else?
lke the other anon said streamers have a job
to amuse the audience, just like the fags on TV
I watch it, it's fun, the guy who provides it should be rolling in money (and he is)
anybody who denies this is the same as people angry at amature musicians making more money playing than people who went to music school
Let's say that you painted your car red and some faggot autist sues you because he has copyrighted red yesterday.
Copyrights are retarded as they are right now and I honestly have no fucking clue how to fix them. I mean, imagine if someone copyrighted a wheel a while back. On the other hand I can understand why people get pissed if somebody uses something they created without their consent.
Fuck, I don't know, this is out of my league.
>enjoying your hobby past actively participating in it is bad
it's an interest
being interested in things makes you seek out related activities, like broadcasts of instances of the thing you like
that's why magazines exist
you're a fucking retard
Anon, I masturbate into cans and send them to developing countries as well. But, today your quota hasn't been met because you're busy bathing in your own taint like Narcissus himself. Get back to work.
Describe what meaningful thing they provide to society?
They do caveman shit and get paid millions more than most engineers who actually create useful things.
The entertainment industry is the absolute cancer of society.
it's a privileged life m8
third world need not apply
>all these replies
I don't get it. That blog post link is broken. What exactly did youtube do to Twitch? Take all the ad revenue from movies and sub money or something? Put a tax on donations?
had an account ages ago liked the site come back to it today holy fuck everything is built in no need for addons for like giveaways and shit which got broken with twitch and shit and never updated.
hitbox is the new better streaming site far better user friendly then twitch was ever.
I honestly sort of understand muting vods (not saying I approve, these jewish record companies aren't lacking money, they've been fucking artists over for decades)
However, I'm sure they are eventually going to go full nazi and shut streamers down who play music, which is absolutely retarded since It's just free advertising and you can't play it over and over
oops, that wasn't working for me earlier now it is.
unfortunately no more yuri. have this.
Can someone explain to me how restricting use of something someone paid to make is a bad thing? Its like taking a DS from best buy without paying and reselling it right outside the store. I know you kids are really entitled and think all information should always be available, but the world doesnt operate on your weird sense of entitlement
Basically every VOD which has music in it (including in game music) is muted, this includes Valves Dota2 VODS, who own the music in their VODS.
I am pretty anoyed because I actually watch the VODS on SpeedDemosArchive because I miss a lot of the runs when GDQ is on.
I would have no qualms if the inventor of the wheel could copyright it the moment he created it so he and his family could benefit from such useful creation for a few years. Don't forget that copyright has a length and they expire.
You can't copyright a color, never could and never will. Except for that one Nike did, that one doesn't count.
Instead of just shitposting we should try to organize a boycott. Pick a date sometime this month and start spreading the word. We get other sites involved and basically on that day, no one uses twitch at all.
They will definitely feel the hurt from that.
I don't give a shit about e-Celebs, but I enjoy watching EVO and learning new tech off twitch.
But that's gonna get somewhat fucked now, since audio cues were pretty useful. Most importantly, less people will use twitch, and twitch was a great resource for people like me who live in third-world shitholes and want to git gud at fighting games.
It's not at all like that.
Stop with comparing digital goods to physical goods, they've been different in the eyes of the law for decades.
There's plenty of arguments you could make against allowing people to use copyright music in their videos but any kind of physical comparison is pure retard.
Are you actually dumb enough to ask that question or just naive enough that you don't want to accept the obvious?
It was likely planned before the purchase even happened.
>Nobody even knows what the maymays mean anymore.
He clearly does. It's basically a synonym for a specific brand of pretentiousness, and has been since that quote first showed up. It's pretty applicable to the post he's referring to.
>le contribute to society
People need entertainment and stimulus to function properly, do you also think psychologists are leeches? And donations and ad money youtubers/streamers receive is still taxed. Not contributing to society would be just moving stocks around and storing the money in a tax haven.
>made a shitload of money playing vidya
>moved in with my qt gf
>still have enough money to pay the bills and my schooling
stay mad wageslave :)
>GOOGLE RUINS EVERYTHING
>GOOGLE RU-NS EVERYTHING
>GOOGLE RUNS EVERYTHING
You got that right. Guess they have sovereign control over whatever they want.
There's not a whole lot we can do about it because the US government is doing nothing to try and stop them from taking fucking everything over.
I thought they had legislation to stop monopolies.
the sun is knocked out of orbit and is speeding towards earth
you have 5 minutes to pick xbox one or ps4 and hide in a bunker with it to survive. Which do you pick?
How about you let people do what they want with their lives? Honestly, does it really bother you that much that people get money from streaming? If there is a demand for something and someone else sees that demand and takes advantage of it, why would you care? It's just a job. It doesn't affect you at all.
Sounds like you got mad that I pointed out how irrelevant you are. Whoops.
Yeah, just open up the soundtrack to the game and listen to it on Youtube!
Wait a minute... It's copyrighted there, too...
Um, wow, this is awkward.
>Dropped out of school in grade 8, 10 year pay gap/haven't worked a day in my life, still live with my mother, not good looking, no marketable skills.
>Haven't left house in 14 years except once for emergency surgery and a doctors appointment
>Turning 28, all 3dpd is ugly hedonistic non mate material, live in a radical left hipster infested shithole with speculative chink housing bubble
>The AVERAGE single detatched home costs 1.2 million dollars
>Personal income taxes are around 33% and sales tax is 12% + tons of hidden taxes like carbon taxes, fees, and levies, shit is way more expensive than the US.
>The job market here is shit and we are being colonized by chinks that have larger family units so the CPI is exploding.
The only thing worth doing anymore is fapping, anime, video games, drama, and waiting for the 1793 Revolution 2: Electric Boogajew.
of course we are going to bitch about Twitch because it is just another thing that has gone to shit.
Pretty much him and every other large streamer spoke out about this on their twitter, including Siglemic and such. If they move somewhere else, I do not doubt that other people will follow them.
No, they promote monopolies.
They create entry barriers for people who wish to enter a certain business by having licensing requirements and certain entry taxes before you even start the business.
The U.S. government promotes monopolizing markets, but they just can't make it blatant.
>>people are dying all over the planet due to disease and war
Because they choose political systems that are doomed to fail: theocracy, communism, socialism, tribalism, etc.
If they can't adopt Western secular standards (read: universal absolute standards), because MUH KORAN / MUH TORAH / MUH KARL MARX, then fuck them. As long as they keep thinning out their own numbers, I'm happy.
I feel the same, bro. I was a huge fan of fighting tournaments but now that on demand videos are affected it's all fucked.
How am I suppose to give a shit about P4U now? There's no hype without community.
>because the people viewing it havn't purchased the game
THIS SHIT RIGHT HER BRAH
HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED HOW MANY FUCKERS IN THIS PLACE ARGUE ABOUT "FINISHING" A VIDEOGAME -ANY VIDEOGAME, NOT JUST MODERN STUFF- BY JUST WATCHING SOMEONE PLAY IT INSTEAD
NOW THINK ABOUT IT
AND LET THAT SINK IN
Your personal choice to listen to other music doesn't make the major problem unimportant or easily resolved. That's such a narrow view of the entire situation I'm surprised you can even type a full sentence.
Does anyone feel as if the internet is being centralized, for every popular website, we had several options. Now it seems as if people or companies are trying to make "official" websites where only you should go. Where the alternative to youtube? Even if it's small, what's important it's that it's there. And so on.
>twitch streaers turn of in game music
>and stop playing their own music
>buisnes as usual
OH MY GOD TWITCH IS DIEING
FUCK CAMWHORES AND ECELEBS
GOOGLE IS THE DEVIL/SAVIOR
GUYS USE MY STREAMING SITE
you guys are as bad as /r/europe when puting got shit on by a bird
The modern government refuses to do anything about monopolies for two reasons. The first is because large corporations is who most of their campaign funds come from, and that ties into the second reason being that the average person is so blind that they literally cannot consider a candidate unless ads about them are blasted into their ears 24/7.