Yo, Demi-fiend, I'm real happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but is there any video game character who could defeat Madara Uchiha? And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. Hell, I'm not even talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara.IM NOT talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I'm Talking about SAGE MADARA FUSIONED WITH ELDER GOD DEMONBANE LEGENDARY SAIYAN ABOVE ALL MADARA
>>255354150 The problem is that we don't know whether Demifiend actually succeeded in his quest or not. If we go purely by what we know, Aleph and Abel at their peak are both probably stronger, and even Space Marine has some more impressive feats. If he actually managed to kill YHVH however he is probably the strongest SMT protag.
>>255357715 >>255358046 The existance of the Amala Network means that in SMT everything is canon, just in different dimensions. And since this is a powerlevel fanwanking thread, Demifiend is assumed to be at his peak aka TDE.
>>255358046 SJ and others happen in a different universe. That's the entire point of the multiverse.
No matter what he does, even "ending" it like TDE, it's only for that "universe". There's infinite more, even in TDE he just did the equivalent of going into a house and flipping the light switch off with the end goal of wiping electricity from the existence of the entire world.
>>255359347 I dunno, YHVH's absence could be due to anything. Aleph's killed him, Bel's posed a threat, the Mothers ganged up on him, he derives power from belief so even humans simply not having faith in him will make him weak in that universe, could even just be one of the infinite universes YHVH hasn't gotten to yet.
The appearance of Hitoshura in DDS and from what Satan says in DDS2 directly confirm True Demon as the canon ending for Nocturne.
>>255358046 With how the Amala is explained, there are an infinite number of universes that exist at any one time, SJ just takes place before the True Demon ending of Nocturne, or shortly after, like DDS1/2 did.
Demifiend's not even that strong. We already saw Raidou, a human, is capable of matching up to him without even having legendary equipment, high-tech stuff, or any demonic power in his own body. He even naturally gains Pierce in Nocturne, despite not having it in the Raidou games.
That pretty much means even if other people in any other video game universe don't have "Pierce" in there, if they're at least as strong as Raidou, that's more than enough to pierce Demifiend's defenses.
>>255359814 No, that's DDS2. When you defeat him DDS1 he leaves this message: > "Death's vastness holds no peace. I come at the end of the long road. Neither human, nor devil... all bends to my will". which implies he defeated YHVH and is now wandering the Amala Network aimlessly.
>>255360420 Yes, but it didn't end ALL universes instantly, it just stopped more from ever being created. That's how DDS1/2 takes place afterwards.
>>255361127 Raidou's guest appearance wasn't really the canon appearance in the game though, it was Dante. Raidou in Chronicle Edition is basically just an easter egg.
On top of that the only reason they gave him Pierce was so he wouldn't be utterly worthless like Dante was when you go for the True Demon ending, it had nothing to do with how strong he was in-universe.
>>255360420 Nothing about it suggests it does it to all universes, and there's literally no way for it to do so. It's just that Vortex World. There's infinite others undergoing the infinite loop as well. He doesn't travel outside of the Vortex World to stop the Great Will, he breaks the management system for THAT Vortex World.
>>255362220 >It's the most recent and most complete version. The addition of Raidou in place of Dante is the only difference between Chronicle and Maniax. On top of that the story barely (if it even does at all,) makes any sense for Raidou to canonically appear in Nocturne.
It's pretty safe to say he was just a promotional stunt and never meant to be some kind of canon inclusion into the series.
Demifiend's so overrated. He faces next to nothing of actual importance, and has a very unimpressive source of power at that, along with no equipment at all.
Other SMT Protags have killed half-demon, half-humans all the fucking time. In Demifiend's case, his demonic power isn't even something impressive (like a noteworthy demon or anything), it's random insects that are so ignorable that NO ONE in the game takes advantage of them despite it being clear there are plenty, and they are never brought up again in the entire series.
And then on top of that, he's unarmed and unarmored. Other SMT Protags are in high-tech or legendary stuff from head-to-toe that may as well make them superhuman on their own.
We never even see him do anything in cutscenes that's actually impressive either, like move particularly fast, show some crazy feat of strength, or even take a strong hit (hell, Dante/Raidou go out of their way to NOT stab him when they easily could have).
By all means Cielo is the most overpowered. He flies faster than jets, tanks multiple missiles and head on collisions with other jets, and could just as easily fly around shooting lasers and magic. The fuck does anyone do about him? Demifiend's not gonna jog up to anyone going over 1500mph in the sky.
>>255363484 Are you seriously arguing it makes more sense for Dante to show up in the SMT universe than Raidou, the person who has fought final bosses in his own game in the dimensional corridor between worlds, traveled to other universes (Raido's) in his game, and most of his plot centers around time travel?
>>255363606 Demi-fiend has immunity to all everything except almighty, knows true magic can talk to demons directly and is Lucifers right hand. 1on1 no protag in SMT can take him. And even when you put demons in it he has a high chance of converting them just by talking.
>>255363606 Magatama just look like strange beads, if you don't know how to utilize them they're worthless. On top of that Lucifer set the groundwork for Demi-Fiend to use it, meaning that he's likely to be the only one who can exploit their powers fully.
>Other SMT Protags have killed half-demon, half-humans all the fucking time.
The Demi-Fiend isn't Half Demon, he's a demon with a human's soul. This is repeated ad-naseam within the game itself. It's why he's so much more powerful that Chiaki and that other kid. They merely use a demon's power, Demi-Fiend uses Magatama to bolster his own to god-like levels.
>And then on top of that, he's unarmed and unarmored.
The nurse explains, not 20 minutes into the game mind you, that the Magatama is arms, armor, and spell book. It makes him physically as tough and powerful as a demon, and also gives him the ability to utilize their powers without external need. It also allows him to command demons at will, which was the whole point to begin with.
In-game he manifests weapons made of purse energy when using attacks, projects beams of light that blast through gods from his eyes, and his bare fist hits as hard, or harder than, even the most powerful mythical weapons.
In DDS he does 10 times the damage of the game's life cap with Gaea Rage, and this is against people who are also capable of going toe-to-toe with the Universe's biggest and baddest creatures and entities.
>>255364793 >immunity to all That Raidou, a regular human, can Pierce no problem. Nevermind "lol gameplay mechanics" >knows true magic Which many others know too, or use their legendary equipment, technology, and skill in battle to compensate. >can talk to demons directly Every single other SMT protag can do this. They even do this better considering they don't need demons with chat skills stepping in for them all the time. >is Lucifers right hand That's the opposite of impressive. Lucifer has been canonically killed by the protag in 2 out of 4 mainline SMT games, and in any others Lucifer never even confronts the protagonists or anything so that they have the chance or need to kill him. Being an underling of someone who's directly worse than any protagonist is pretty shitty.
>>255364793 DDS shows that he's not immune to gun attacks, so every protag can hurt him, and he'd be fucked if he went against SMT1's nerve bullets, Flynn can use magic as well, and he doesn't need to shove a demon bug in his eye to do so. The only thing being Lucifer's right hand means is that he wasn't actually strong enough to beat him. Meanwhile, both Aleph and Flynn killed Lucifer in their respective universes. Why did you list talking to demons as a skill? Every mainline protag does that. Plus, you can't recruit demons that already have a contract, this is shown during Naoya's 8th day in Overclocked.
MY SMT 3 playthough >be demon >be told can't take part in creation >act like a yes man knowing I can't take part in my friends shenanigans >Help friend in hospital >I am to late and he acts like a dick to me >one day in sewer fight a skeleton >take his candle holder because fuck him >leads me to hellish apartment building dungeon >Keep finding skeletons to go further into under ground apartment >eventually fight a fly man >keep going >fight optimus prime >find old dude, he smiles at me and baptises me >wake up where I began more powerful then ever. >Go to Diet building destroy everything >get asked if demon, yes >get asked if heart of demon >get asked to not take part in creation... I'm in a creation mood
>>255365910 >Which many others know too No SMT protag can use magic >Every single other SMT protag can do this No they use a computer program for it. Only demi-fiend can talk and understand demons naturally(you can argue it due to the magatama but you can't take it away from him like you could by smashing the computer on the arm of other protags) >Lucifer has been canonically killed by the protag in 2 out of 4 mainline SMT games The only time you meet the true Lucifer in SMT is in Nocurne every other time it's just a projection of him like the young boy/old man in Nocturne that's why he always looks different as human. As per Nocturne his real self is stuck in the Labyrinth of Amala recovering strength.
>>255366719 (error) Help friend in prison (not hospital)
>Find old prick with teacher milf >they talking or some shit >kill pricks dragon >he runs away >teacher milf tells me to go to a temple >go there >Giant black pole slams down >go to it and go to tower in sky >Somehow sub humans got up climbing >Go up tower kill God A >Go up tower Kill God B >Go up tower Kill God C >Kill moon because fuck the moon >Shota from the start turns into the old man >Old man morphs into Giant Black demon and shit >Taunt it, yell at it, then shoot lazers at hit >I win >He says something >Iots of demons behind me >Don't even fucking care at this point >Let them come along >never mention what happens next
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