Bowser's Inside Story was the franchise's peak. Bowser's

>>254977367
Why does everyone put partners in Time last. It was probably my favorite.

Except Bowser's Inside Story is the third best game in the series.

Superstar Saga > Dream Team >BIS > PiT

Though yes, they're all good.

>>254977648
Bros. Items and tedious combat, mainly.

>>254977648
Just like how Dream Team got most of its stuff from BIS, PiT got from SSS, but while not being as good.
It was my first one, though. I love it tenderly, even the babies.

I loved DT, but BIS was just cooler. Dat final boss

>>254978471
I thought the pacing got Dream Team really roughly. If it was a 20 hours adventure instead of a 40 one, it would be the aboslute best in the series. Just imagine if it was like in SSS, where 3 hours in and you have four different Bro Moves and many ways to explore the overworld.

>>254977648
battles in PiT are super boring and the last boss takes forever.

BIS was way too short for its own good. Dream Team basically improves on everything BIS does, the only problem are the tutorials.

SSS > DT > BIS > PiT

SSS>>>>BiS>PiT>>>DT
Superstar Saga is the only one I can say was a really good game. The others range from okay to shit.

>>254978907
DT had much better/cooler giant bosses though, especially the last one.

>>254979783
It had some odd pacing in some of the 2D areas, but I still felt it was better than BIS' 2D parts.

Though it could have used a couple more Bros. Moves (you could get some by letting people move Luigi in front).

>>254980191

I don't know, despite being the shortest in the series SSS had some dungeons(like the insufferable beach/underwater one) which were really boring.

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>>254977367
>mfw PiT is the only M&L game I liked enough to complete

>>254980142
Isn't short good, though? SSS was also very short, but the fact that it gives you all that content in such a short time makes it good.
You visit every area briefly enough so that they won't bore you, but enough for them to leave an impression.

Also, I felt the characters in DT were too recycled. You had the bean people and Hoohoos from SSS and Block people from BiS. Then Toads and Yoshis.

>>254980349

I don't think they wanted to risk a Sticker Star, the games director before the release said that it's "very much a Mario & Luigi game".

>>254980142
>>254980317
The final hours also seem to be quickly tackled on.
Bowser's Castle is just the Koopalings, and they don't even have any personality. Maybe Nintendo didn't let them give the characters personality, but really, it felt empty.
The last boss was also bad and unbalanced.

>>254980317
The beach was good though. Only the underwater part wasn't good, but I recall it was short enough to not get annoying.

>>254980515
After reading the Iwata Asks and some interviews on the game, I can see what they were aiming at. They wanted this to be Mario & Luigi again, as after Babies and Bowser it started to feel like the series wasn't theirs anymore.
Still, the Dream World didn't felt as different as playing with Bowser does. I would like another gimmick in the next one where you play as someone else.
Maybe Wario and Waluigi in the X and Y buttons

>tfw young child while playing superstar saga
>literally my first turn based rpg
>heading to final boss
>buy nothing but normal mushrooms
>can't beat boss
I feel like I could do it now, if I tried, but I'd rather just replay the game.

>>254980692
Someone post that one fan art.

>>254980834
I beat it for the first time recently, but the boss really is broken.
The main problem is that 1/4 in the fight, Bowletta just instakills you and the battle restarts with you having only 1HP with each bro. You are obliged to dodge her first attack to recover life, but the attacks range from ok to plain unfair.

DT>BiS>SSS>PiT
What do you people find so amazing in SSS? I'll never understand. I got it on release, and I loved it, of course, but when BiS and DT came out I immediately saw they were better.

>>254980317
>SSS
>shortest in the series

How is that possible when both PIT and BIS are even shorter?

>>254983383
BIS and DT had Bros. Items that used BP instead of coins, where SSS had actual Bros. Moves.

SSS is short but also the sweetest.

>>254983532
I recall PiT and BIS being longer than SSS though.

>>254983752
>DT
>BiS
>bros items
You either remember wrong or haven't played it.
They are moves that you pay for with BP.

>>254983752
>>254983959
PiT dropped items for moves, but from BIS onward they kinda mixed the whole thing.
It's more like items + bro moves.

>>254983959
They're just Bros. Items that use up BP rather than coins.

>>254984279
Wait, did any special move in the series ever used coins?

>>254977648
I liked exploiting the thwomp volcano minigame to get infinite beans for free (with a lot of time, though) and buy the badges from fawful that made bro items cost 0 bro points. Spam mix flower on everything.

>>254984437
Partners in Time.

>>254983959
BiS and DT had Bros. Items that use BP rather than being stocked in your inventory
And I simply liked Bros. Moves more for a few different reasons
>They didn't take as long to execute as Bros. Items
>They felt less like they were trying to shoehorn in hardware gimmicks
>They were basically the moves you use to traverse the overworld applied to combat, which felt more "natural" than random as fuck items
>I liked the system that let you reduce moves' BP use but also made the timing more strict

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Dream Team was just missed potential all around

A game taking place mostly inside Luigi's dreams? They could've brought back old worlds and old bosses with new twists. Add a dash of Wart and a nod toward Subcon and it would've been golden

nonononono
SSS > BiS >>> PiT > DT

>>254985283
They can barely give the characters any personality. Nintendo would hardly let them use those characters, only if it was like the Koopalings in the first game, which didn't had any character at all.

God damnit I really need to play this fucking game series.

I even bought Bowsers Inside Story a few months ago before it got too hard to find.

>>254986349

not even going that far back, i thought we'd get a dream-shroob world, a dream-cacletta world, etc

like revisiting the past games in the series, but in hard-mode

instead, we got a game that was 80% tutorial levels with bowser being the only recurring villain

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>>254986810
instead, we got a game that was 80% tutorial levels

>>254985283
>They could've brought back old worlds and old bosses with new twists.

I'm glad they didn't.

I know their new stuff isn't exactly great, but at least they were trying to create an original experience instead of rehashing old ones.

>>254980274
DT's final boss was the most dissapointing

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SSS > BiS >= DT > PiT even though I love PiT to death, the rest are just more fun to play

the thing I hate about the M&L games is how you could only swap to Luigi in SSS, you'd think Dream Team would bring that back instead of treating Luigi like some unplayable NPC you had to drag around

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>>254985283
>>254986810
>>254987169

why not all three?

>dreamy Shroob fight
>dreamy Fawful fight
>dreamy Midbus fight
>Zeekeeper and Pi'illo related fights
>dreamy Wart fight with Shy Guy helpers
>nightmare-y King Boo fight

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>yfw Fawful lives

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>>254988435

DT was nice, but I had my fair share of problems with it.

+ great graphics
+ battling is really fucking fun
+ the bosses were actually challenging
+ wonderful music
+ good writing
+ giant battles were the shit
+ had some great areas (Wakeport, Mount Pajamaja, Somnom Woods)

- tutorials everywhere
- padding everywhere
- gyro controls were shit
- the dream worlds were mediocre and excruciatingly repetitive
- had a generic "evil castle" final area that ends with a disappointing final boss
- game wasn't exactly memorable compared to previous games

It's still a nice 7/10 game, but it could've been much, much better.

>>254990165
>- gyro controls were shit

im glad im not the only one

for the longest time i thought i was just doing it wrong

>>254990165
>>254990335

They weren't bad on the Power Star finisher for giant bosses but they were fucking dogshit for the Giant Star finisher for Giant Bowser

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>tfw we will never get a game staring Bowser and only Bowser

Peach got her own fucking game for God's sake, can't the big man himself get one?

>>254990594

BiS was as close as we're probably going to get, ever since Nintendo decided to stop doing anything interesting.

You only like BiS because it appeals to your sick fetishes.

>>254990751
why does miyamoto hate new things and plot?

never played any of them but recently got dream team

haven't played it yet but is it required I play the others first?

>>254991706
Technically no, it's not required. I like to go through older games in a series first even if story isn't an issue though because backlog. If you already bought the game you might as well play it. But don't forget to play the older ones as well.

>>254990594
Bowser is just an overgrown koopa troopa.
No one wants a game about a koopa troopa.

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Playing through Dream Team right now. Just finished that Mountain area. Also dicks

So, how long until they release a deluxe edition with all these games?

>>254992089
Absolutely disgusting.

>>254990483
The fucking Zeekeeper took me forever because of the gyro controls fucking up

>>254977648

Mine too. It has the best music of all the games.

All the four M&L games are great, while Paper Mario has two great oens and two ok ones.
The superior, perfect RPG series.

>>254991706

I played Dream Team before BiS, and it didn't affect my enjoyment of either because a) Dream Team seems to largely ignore the events of every other M&L game, and b) BiS is by far the better game.

>>254992643
I's put Super PM over PiT

>>254992643

Paper Mario has two great ones and two games that are Paper Mario in name only.

>>254992643
>sticker star
>ok
It literally was like taking a shit on the fans

>>254992635
That's very subjective, but all of them have excellent soundtracks.

>>254992648
I like how all games have a few references.
For example, in Dream Team Bowser says to Starlow that he "hates her voice".

>>254992643
I still think TTYD is super overrated.

>>254992781
It still wasn't a bad game, though. It was full of exploration and good level design.
The main problems were the lack of RPG elements and characters/originality.

Superstar Saga is much better than Inside Story. The biggest problem I have with the series in general is that they kept on messing with the gameplay by adding different battle mechanics.

The babies weren't bad, but they weren't the problem with PiT. Bowser was pretty easy in general but it was just fun experiencing Bowser. Now, I haven't actually played the 3DS game.

But, after seeing "Now you can play in Dream mode" that kind of lost my purchase. All I wanted was to play as Mario & Luigi! I don't want these segments where I have to mess with gimmicks.

Why mess with something that wasn't broken? Why did the games get shorter and shorter?

>>254993398
>Why did the games get shorter and shorter?

But anon, DT is the longest game in the series. In your first playthrough you're bound to sink 30-40 hours into it.

>>254993051
stop trying to be positive you shitnigger, that game was so boring I'm still mad about it, that fucking long ass riverride

>>254993513
Oh, alright that sounds great. But, how much of that gameplay would be with Mario & Luigi and outside the dreams?

BiS has Mario and Luigi sections which were terrible and felt like an after thought, if it was just bowser the game would have been much better

>>254993750
I guess 20 hours?

Anyways, the dream sections aren't bad at all.

>>254993398
>>254993750
Like I said previously in the thread, the objective this time around was to make a Mario & Luigi game. No Bowser, no Babies. They wanted to make it like the classic again, and they did it.
The Dream World parts are pretty much like BIS' sidescroller sections, but the battles is all Mario and Luigi.
In the Dream World, Luigi's dream self comes into Mario and makes in a little bit more buffer. So all your attacks are done with A but pack an extra punch.
Even the Dream World exploration is like the Dream World, using even the same Bro moves like the Spin Jump, but in Dream Form.

>>254978471
>Superstar Saga > Dream Team >BIS > PiT
Agreed