>Marth got nerfed and turned to shit so Lucina could be better than him.
So Lucina is the most hated character in smash history so far? , she is hated by
Am I missing someone?
>Lucina is literally just an easier-to-play version of Marth
>not an interesting self-imposed challenge like Roy was
>nerfed to shit
How? His tipper is easier to land, he's still fast and agile, and he still plays the exact same way. The only "nerf" I can recall hearing about is something about his Fair.
Lucina's going to be a weaker clone without any kind of advantage or gimmick.
Think you covered it all. Feels REAL good.
b8 I'm sure but it sounds like it's shaping up to be the exact opposite. She's more fragile than Marth, who's already pretty damn fragile to begin with, and seems to have less damage in return for not having to worry about range.
Yeah, pretty much. You also forgot tourneyfags/Marthfags who are mad that Lucina might be a better Marth.
We don't know exactly how good Lucina is, just that she's closer to Melee/Project M Marth than Marth.
>she will never look at you like that
Nintendo wants the waifu audience.
>Middle Ages/Medieval Stasis setting
Lucina has frame cancels, which makes her moveset and movement all the world better than Marth, who still feels like Brawl Marth. Also, Lucina doesn't have a tipper.
>Not being familiar with Marthfags and tourneyfags who are mad at the possibility that she's a better Marth
Dude, they're in this thread even. Marth mains are still salty over his treatment in Brawl and are desperate to reclaim any shred of glory they can.
She's hated mostly for the fact that she seems to be the most clone character so far without any unique moves. Even the returning clone characters in Brawl got a bunch of changes to how they operate (Falco's ariels, Dorf's up smash/side b, etc.) If she had a different playstyle from Marth's then maybe people would like her.
Marth was shitty in Brawl? Could've fooled me.
>Just give us fun to play characters in a fun to play game.
Hate to break it to you, but you're not a tourneyfag. You're just a guy who enjoys Smash who occasionally dabbles in the competetive scene.
Tourneyfags, real tourneyfags, would only care about who's at the very top of the "tiers."
Most people who played FE:A feel that though
>Marth got nerfed and turn to shit.
Then so did Lucina, you realize Sakurai literally copied everything over from him, right?
Also she is more than likely going to be worse than Marth because she has no Tipper. We'll have to see how her damage in her sword is allotted but it's likely that she's going to have a very hard time killing anything.
I guess the weekly locals I go to don't exist then. No tourneyfags are crying over the fact that Lucina might be better than Marth. The characters themselves really don't mean anything to us. That's why we tend to stay away from rosterfag shit. We'll judge the Smash characters based on how they actually play, not how we want our favorite Nintendo character to be really good.
The character is really only an extension of the player. Getting worked up over who (from a character perspective) is good/bad and not who (from a mechanics perspective) is good/bad is a waste.
>I guess the weekly locals I go to don't exist then. No tourneyfags are crying over the fact that Lucina might be better than Marth.
No they exist, but they aren't populated with tourneyfags. They're populated with Smash fans who legitimately enjoy the game for what it is, but also partake in competetive play for enjoyment.
You and those players aren't tourneyfags because you actually have
Marth isn't that hard to use if you spend some time with him, I don't really get why an "easier Marth" was necessary.
Unlike Metaknight who was also supposed to be a beginner character I think Lucina is going to be low tier and the only people who will use her will do it because they like Lucina and not because they're serious about winning. Which is fine anyways because that's mostly what the game is about, having some fun beating the shit out of Nintendo characters with your favorite Nintendo characters. I like Lucina, so I'll use her but if she's going to be bad like I think she's going to be then I won't use her in a case where I'd like to win the match.
>Getting worked up over who (from a character perspective) is good/bad and not who (from a mechanics perspective) is good/bad is a waste.
That's a lot like the "pixels and data" argument in Pokemon.
Wait and see if Sakurai changes her in the next game, if she makes the cut again. She was not supposed to have her own slot on the character select screen at all, you were supposed to choose her through Marth. Sakurai randomly decided to change how she works slightly and make her her own character. Her development in this game was really strange.
"I'm a tourneyfag and im okay with it"
"NUH UH TOURNEYFAGS ARE THE MOST ANNOYING AND AUTISTS FAGGOTS EVER WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT TIER LISTS SO YOU'RE NOT A TOURNEYFAG"
But the tourneyfags are the one's who are complaining that she might be better. So yes, they would just pick the one that's higher tier.
Source: I used to play Mario but now I play Doc.
Are you fucking kidding me? There have been several threads dedicated to shitting all over Lucina and people asspained that she's in the game. Let the minority of people who like that she's in the game be happy, anon.
>tourneyfags are the one's who are complaining that she might be better
Nobody has done that. The only tourneyfag post in this thread says that he and all his tourneyfag friends don't even give a fuck about the characters anyway.
>She's not easier Marth, though
Sakurai said she is.
> and she has no tipper which means no kill power.
The easier part about Lucina is that due to her sword being distributed more evenly you don't have to worry about tipping as much.
IT'S NOT OVER YET.
Aonuma has gone on record stating he really likes Lucina, so we might be seeing her in the new Zelda.
ARE YOU READY FOR LINK/LUCINA TO JOIN THE SHIP WARS?
I'm going to main crossdressing roy 2.0, are you
she's assumed to be faster because of the 2 frames landing lag on her nair in the trailer
some people also probably think so because she's shorter than marth as stated by sakurai in the potd after release, but that's pretty dumb reasoning
I doubt they're ever going to make anything canon unless the game gets a direct sequel.
The safest thing to do without pissing too many people off would probably be to make Female Robin marrying Chrom canon anyways, so then Lucina would be in the game with her mom.
Lucina has been ruining all sorts of threads for the longest time. Her fans always shitpost about how she's the best and more courageous or just dump porn and ecchi (like the guy in this thread RIGHT NOW). Of course she and her fans are going to get a atebase.
So, are Awakening characters going to be in SMTxFE?
Only recently. Were you around when FE:A was just released, or are you really this new? For months it was constant Lucina fagging and shitposting from both sides. There's a reason why Lucinafags are completely shunned from /feg/ nowadays.
To be fair, they're all around the same age anyways.
Can you imagine how weird child units actually would be? Robin is what, 25? Lucina is 21. Yet you're supposed to try to act like a mother to someone who is like 4 years younger than you. At least with someone like Gregor and Severa it's not so strange, but some of them would be pretty fucked up.
Are people actually attracted to this shit? Like, alright. Even I can appreciate a *little* bit of weight gain. Just a *tiny* amount because demoralization and corruption gets me off, but do people really get turned on by disgustingly obese and immobile lard-asses?
Well, I don't know anon, take a wild guess.
>some people also probably think so because she's shorter than marth as stated by sakurai in the potd after release, but that's pretty dumb reasoning
Her speed, weight and pretty much everything is supposed to be nearly identical to Marth. If she's faster it is not by much.
While we don't like Lucinafags, it's Tharjafags who get the most vitriol. Lucinafags will at least admit when she's fucked something up. We've had Tharjafags defending to the death that, no shit, Tharja is best mother because she cursed Noire to, again, no shit, "build up her resistance to dark magic."
I can't in any way comprehend the fetish you're talking about, but since you have it, you should have no problem understanding others who have it on an even worse scale than you.
>Were you around when FE:A was just released, or are you really this new?
I was here, Tharjafags have always been worse for dumping shit and taking over threads. If you think that the Tharja shit is only recent then you're the new one, not me.
>I was here, Tharjafags have always been worse
Nope. A quick scan through /feg/ archives during the day will see several hundred posts of Lucinafaggotry in each thread. Tharjafags didn't get all obnoxious until recently.
>Marth got nerfed and turned to shit so Sakurai could ruin the fun of Marth mains like he did to Falcon mains in Brawl
Fixed that for ya, buddy.
You're talking about /vg/, obviously. When Awakening first came out the /v/ threads were filled with way more Tharja than Lucina.
>Tharjafags didn't get all obnoxious until recently.
This is just blatantly false and again, if you think this you're new.
Kozaki does some great work.
Damn shame about Let It Die.
Well, shit. I guess I technically do.
Time to go kill myself then.
>tharjafag always jumps at 750 posts and makes a new blogthread about his waifu
>another tharjafag defends her to the death saying cursing noire is somehow a good thing and has a nickname for every other waifu with "shit thrown in"
>lushita, avershit, shitki, etc.
>worst we get out of aversafags is ballbusting fetish posts
>worst we get out of lucinafags is lucinacookies
>tikifags are pretty okay
Yes, but some people are into diffrent aspects about it than what you are.
PREPARE YOUR ANUS CAUSE I'M EXPECTING TAKAMARU.
I have literally never been in an Awakening thread on /v/ that wasn't taken over by Tharja waifufags partway through. Both on release and now since there's been renewed interest in the game. I guess the /vg/ general was different but on /v/ anyways the Lucinafags don't seem too bad. I kind of feel sorry for them, there's been way more people shitting on her since she got put in Smash Bros. then people happy she's in the game.
I thought it was hard to fuck up Falcon. Then Brawl happened.
I've heard about the changes to Marth, and it's not looking good.
With that said... welcome, Marth mains! Welcome to the Sakurai nerf zone, where you realize your main will never be good ever again.
THARJA! You are so beautiful!
THARJA! You are so wonderful!
THARJA! You are incredible!
I want, to marry you!
With your silky smooth raven hair,
And your soft skin, so pale and fair,
And with that naughty look in your eye,
Why, I just feel like I could fall down and die!
THARJA! You are so beautiful!
THARJA! You are so wonderful!
THARJA! You are incredible!
I want, to marry you!
Your clothes are soft and yet so hot,
One glance at you, it hits the spot,
Your curses are so dark and morbid,
Anyone who looks at you will wind up dead!
THARJA! You are so beautiful!
THARJA! You are so wonderful!
THARJA! You are incredible!
I want, to marry you!
Some JP only game, Mystery of Murasama Castle, which got some weird cameo shit in Samurai Warriors 3 on Wii, with a mode suppose to simulate a death trap castle and give you the guy who you played as in it.
I heard that even nerfed, he's still about a mid tier. He's still a fast character with a sword that does extra damage from keeping enemies away. Now that I think about it, this has me worried about Ike.
Nazo no Murasamejo, an old Famicom game. It was recently released in Europe. Sakurai mentioned wanting to bring Takamaru and/or Mach Rider back, and with his Samurai Warriors appearance and Nintendo Land game, he's got a shot.
He still has a chance, r-right?
It's a bit hard for me to remember. I think that's one of the few times that Japan saw Little Mac.
In Japan, his four voice options were Shota, Bishie, Silent, and Joseph Joestar. It's quite different from what we got.
Honestly, I'm mostly worried about his ground game. His aerials are fine, even if they're mostly slow. Some have autocancel like Nair and nearly all of them have a massive amount of active frames to beat out dodges. It's mostly his ground game I'm worried about since all he has is Jab.
Marth's sweetspot already makes that hard since his optimal range is the tip of his sword, which means you can space against characters with shorter range easily. He's also got a slow fall speed to keep him from being too susceptible to chaingrabs and combos.
>always wanted Lucina in Smash since playing Awakening
>/v/ tells me it's not happening, Chrom is getting in
>she gets in
That was a good day
I wasn't really commenting on how he is in Smash 4 (haven't played any myself), just was replying to someone who said it seemed hard to make Marth bad, and was pointing out you could do it by making him more like Roy.
I think most people expected Lucina, but Sakurai said "less clones" and no "character-changing alt-costumes" so that killed any chance of her getting in.
Then it turns out that Lucina started off as a character-changing alt and then became a clone, making Sakurai a big, fat liar.
In the hot springs DLC the MU tells Lucina that it's a mixed bath. Lucina being naive asks what it's mixed with and when you tell her that you meant that it has mixed genders she thinks that's great and again due to her naivety doesn't understand why it's lewd. She thinks her, FeMU(who would be her mom in this case) and Chrom being together in the hot spring would be a normal family activity and a way for them to spend time together.
Nowhere. It's something someone said he said and because it sounds good people believed him and perpetuated it.
He's literally never said there would be no clones, he has no problems with clones. Hell I believe he actually said that he can make 6 clones in the same time he can make one new character. Which would explain why half of the newcomers in Melee were clones because he spent more time developing that game by himself and not as much in a team like Brawl and Smash 4.
Holy fuck link me to a video or something
Honestly, I think clones are harmless. They pad out the roster, and some of them were actually fun to play.
Honestly I believe that Sakurai just makes clones and puts them in one game and then if they make the cut for the next game he gives them more differences. If Roy made the cut for Brawl he probably would have been changed a little and I wouldn't be surprised that if Lucina makes it in to the next game there are more things he does to make her different. Like he did with Falco and Luigi in previous games.
It's Old Joseph from Heritage of the Future. He'd later go on to narrate the anime.
What's even more bizarre is the fact that Chrom ALSO voices Joseph in the anime, both young and old. So you have Old Joseph narrating Old Joseph.
I don't see why we can't just enjoy the Fire Emblem reps we're getting.
>All these guys know how Lucina plays based off 10 seconds of footage
Also Marth got buffed , you guys are just retarded. He pretty much doesn't have to even tip anymore. His Up B got buffed , his down tilt down buffed to shit, he stayed mostly the same.
Lucina may very well be in the next smash. She is retardedly popular (to the point where MonHun begged Nintendo to put her in Frontier, I believe). She regularly decimates every poll (even beating out MU) and may very well be the most popular FE character of them all.
Roy actually debuted in Smash before Binding Blade came out. Roy, unfortunately (or not, depending on where you stand), never quite took off. Lilina did, but not Roy. It's partially thanks to Lilina that Hector got a promotion to Lord in 7 instead of just Lyn and Eliwood.
He's one of Japan's most popular Lords. Granted, they greatly prefer his PoR appearance (which I'm sure will be in as an alt), but they do like Ike.
Actually, that's just Standalone Robin, not motherly Robin.
Motherly Robin says something a little different.
>It's partially thanks to Lilina that Hector got a promotion to Lord in 7 instead of just Lyn and Eliwood.
I always wondered why he was a protagonist in 7 when 6 made him out to be "that nameless asshole who got rekt"
>having an issue with hector being playable
Hi Captain Contrarian!
>keep telling /v/ that Lucina would be in, since she's the most popular Awakening character and was featured on the cover of the art book and soundtrack by herself.
>"NO YOU'RE JUST A WAIFUFAG. CHROM WILL GET IN OVER HER BECAUSE HE'S THE PROTAGONIST"
Nigga I'm an Anne man. I don't give a fuck about Less-Effeminate-Marth. I was just telling you how popularity works. And look. There she is.
Know what else? Ridley ain't getting in either. Not because TOO BIG. Because Japan doesn't give a fuck about Metroid.
Well, in a sense yeah, but Lucina gets distracted by a souvenir shop that sells mini wooden figures of her father and asks for permission to leave the battle field to buy one on the off chance they get sold out before the battle ends.
Indeed, I guess I will have to post somehting that can't be taken any other way but the wrong way.
She does that in the one where Robin is her mother yes.
But as I pointed out before I wasn't posting mother Robin, just normal Robin.
At least they don't put on fake boobs.
Add Fox to that list. People were saying he was pretty shit other than his buffed recovery. They nerfed his uAir but fuffed his downsmash/sidesmash. Being a top 8 melee main is suffering right now.
Just a reminder that if you did not marry Lissa. you are history's greatest monster.
Fox was only top tier in melee you dumbass. He was mid tier at best in brawl. Gets rekted in project Mewtwo. He was high tier in 64 though. Either way he wasn't even broken other than melee arguably(and even than he doesn't win nationals until mango played him).
I've wanted to start a new game just so I can waifu Lissa, but I've also been putting it off because I am the poorfag and haven't been able to purchase the Dread Fighta DLC.
Best son deserves best class.
Don't forget WFT, she's always looking for more young girls to "train".
I never said he'd leave Smash. I'm saying he's going to become another, "Oh Marth? You mean that guy from Smash Brothers?" Just like Ness, Lucas, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, etc.
Samus must be happy Lucina is in, now the rest of the girls will leave her alone and pick on the younger serious one.
Rosalina tries to mother Lucina. "Oh you poor girl, are those women teasing you?"
Or older women to grope.
I have finally found my waifu /v/, what do
That can be arranged.
It just starts with a little innocent and playful tickling, with them straddling her or sitting on her arms so she's totally vulnerable to their attacks. And then it gets to tickling certain areas where Lucina starts to get suspicious and yell "Wait, where are you touching?!" But they just giggle and teas her nipples anyway, and then it turns into massaging as Lucina pants, and then they go lower and start massaging her vagina, and she can't resist as she bucks her hips, both out of pleasure and as an attempt to shake them off, but they just keep going with that naughty look in their eyes as they finally get their fingers in her, and even one in her asshole, as she screams, moans and pants.
>making every color hyper saturated
what the fuck are you doing.
desaturate Noire's bra and the background, and take Severa's hair down a bit, too. If everything is using Fischer Price colors then it's too distracting and hurts the eyes.
Lissa's support with MU is awful. It's nothing but pranks and then suddenly pop goes the question.
I would if Nintendo would hurry up with that damn Figma
Nintendo is real stingy with licensing in general. It's why Link and Samus had such limited runs and such high prices.
If you're lucky, it'll be announced for December and delayed till April.
She is just naive (or even weird) because she had no childhood in the fucked up timeline she belongs to.
She acts all thought and all, but if she lived in peaceful times she would be girly as fuck (not headcanon, actually from her support convos)
May the lord have mercy on Marth's soul should The Captain ever decide to kick his shit in.
I'm a Lucinafag, but even I admit Anna is best gril
>not getting both
I'm starting to think you don't like your waifu enough.
How can you tell when a unit you're standing next to is gonna join in an attack? I get attacking twice when your speed's high enough because they made that obvious, but what determines when two different characters will attack?
Skill+plus the support level heightens the chances. Two characters with high skill and an S Support will dual attack more often. I think it's Def+Support for when the paired character will defend the one in the forefront being attacked.
She has frame cancelling, though. We'll have to see how her damage is distributed in her sword to see how badly it effects her ability to kill shit. Whether she's awful at it, like Sonic was in Brawl or if she's simply just a little worse than Marth at it.
>tfw Lucina gets color alts based on all of Chrom's potential love intersts.
Please do this Sakurai.
>they aren't populated with tourneyfags.
>They're populated with Smash fans who legitimately enjoy the game for what it is, but also partake in competetive play for enjoyment.
Do you even know what tourneyfag means?
I wonder if 3 of the characters not making any sense for Chrom was done on purpose to push people to have him Marry Sumia. I mean for fucks sake Olivia is introduced only a few chapters before the cutoff and Chrom marries someone.
The only female that makes sense for Chrom besides Sumia is the FeMU
>She gets red hair
>People think it's Cord
>Do you even know what tourneyfag means?
Not him (doubt he's even here anymore) but I've always viewed "tourneyfag" to mean "RULESRULESRULES" while spending days combing over individual frames to find the very "best" character and argue about which to ban and shit. Then yelling that anyone doing anything else is wrong while simultaneously begging the FGC to take them seriously.
>tfw married Chrom to Marrible
>no regrets thanks to Dark Knight Lucina
No. I just.
No. I can't fucking do it. It is just way too beta.
I view myself as a mentally strong man but goddamn it makes me cringe so much.
See that's the thing, I separate PCfags and Master Race too. PCfags are "HURR CONSOLE PEASANTS ENJOY YOUR 720 30FPS" Master Race actually fucking plays vidya and is helpful and contributes actual discussion.
I don't hate her, in fact her reveal trailer was my favorite so far because it blew Gematsu the fuck out and it confirmed that the King has returned. Also more girls in Smash is nice for r34.
She's just the most dull and least imaginative newcomer, and thus the worst.
Someone better e-mail this shit to sakurai or i'll riot
where were you when /v/ complained about Lucina for 78 consecutive threads?
i was on /v/, watching people complain about Lucina for 78 consecutive threads.
god damn give it up, she's one character out of like 40
Sumia. No matter what I always end up with Chrom and Sumia. I don't care if my Lucina gets shit genes, Her whole shtick is that she's hopelessly in love with Chrom. Not my fault Cordelia has some "It can not be" thing stuck in her head
Because people have it in their heads that Lucina got in over their obscure newcomer, when in reality complaining about Lucina for that reason makes even less sense than complaining about it for anyone else.
Sometimes I think Cordelia was originally the canon option then they decided to make her the Catria archtype. Cause Lucina resembles her far more than any of the other potential mothers.
>booted FE:A since it launched.. already did the ChromXSumia thing.. thought it would be neat to do ChromXCordelia..
>there's no option
MUxCordelia, I mean Frederick probably hasn't seen Chrom's dick
What? Sully is the only one who shares the same interest as Chrom in strength/training, which he obsesses over.
Sumia doesn't make much sense. Sumia it's just "they're in love, because they are" where the best Sumia can do is just get ignored while Chrom spends his time training. And marrying FeMU is dumb based on supports, because then it's just "they saw each other naked, accidentally, then they married"
It actually makes more sense outside of the support, not in it. Yeah the support is dumb because it's just "they saw each other naked" A lot of Supports are kind of like that because you're still supposed to do them without getting married to the character at the end as well. The Support Conversations Lucina has with Female Robin would explain why the two of them might become close and get married, since they're Tactician and Lord they spend a shitton of time together. Of course in that support they're just friends and Lucina's mom is someone else.
I usually made him go with Miriel since he was like the only guy who initiated anything with her, showing off like a badass and then just forcing her to have fun. That and his OCD fits her autism.
Meanwhile anyone else marrying her feels like a shotgun wedding where I'm forcing the guy to marry a retard.
A ton of Sumia's supports revolve around self-improvement, and combat training is part of that. Her and Chrom just happen to bond over other stuff, like their destructive lack of finesse.
Sumia's got the best of both worlds, it's why Cynthia ranks so high, she's great for physical kids but can effortlessly slide into magic, not to mention having high skill and speed. When you start throwing down in higher difficulty shows where every fucker has Hawkeye, that's where she really starts to shine.
You can just feel the regret as they propose to her, knowing full well they have been shackled to her with the only benefit being physically taking advantage of a socially retarded woman, and then probably judged as someone who married just to do that and nothing else.
I put Vaike with Cordelia because then there's still Chrom obsession on both sides, and mediocre acceptance instead of total NTR.
Marth is just a typical prince bishounen anyway. Lucina is 100x better than him. Don't see why anyone would get gun-ho about some faggot when they can use an actual girl even if she happens to share the same moveset as him.
But I do hope they make her better, even if she is just a "Marth clone." Funny thing is, I never liked Marth. Had more time using his other "clone"(Roy) than Marth himself. Marth is one of my top beat-up joke characters for Smash and still is. The only ones I imagine using him are tourney-fags because of his alleged advantages but I would never stoop too low just because of tourneyfaggotry.
Why the hell isn't there a dlc that adds unique child/father and morgan/mother supports? Having Morgan have the exact same supports when Yarne and Walhart are the dad, or Olivia and Aversa is too much. And Stahl/Severa or Virion/Inigo or Ricken/Nah should have great parent supports.
>Tfw MU married Cordelia on first playthrough.
>Tfw replacing unrequited obsession with real love and chemistry
It's like a not shit version of NTR or something.
because her mother was going to be taken over by Grima and she didn't think there was anything they could do to stop it. Then in the she couldn't even do it because she loves her mommy too much.
Look at the Future Past DLC where seeing you back brings her to tears and she jumps in Robin's arms and tells her how much she missed your warmth, kindness and told you how wise you are.
Not Stahl's and the MU for a fact. In fact she never even mentions Chrom in the MU's and right after Stahl's confession she says he's replaced Chrom in her heart.
Frederick's is embarrassing yes.
>jumps out of a moving vehicle to punch Black Shadow
This. >>254263046 The hilt and shit have worn down and broken and needed to be reforged. It's the blade itself that's managed to remain unbroken.
Eh, the thing that bothers me about Severa is that there is literally no middle ground. She's either diabetes or hyper bitch.