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The great debate
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Are you a Nocturnebabby or a Strange Journey Warrior?
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SMT IV was better than both of them simply because it didn't use a fucking retarded fusion system like Nocturne and Strange Journey
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SMTIV is the best mainline SMT, and Persona is better than mainline SMT anyway. Deal with it hipsters.
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>>253970427
>muh skill choosing
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>>253970590
>muh waifus
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>>253970605
>muh RNG
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>>253970590
>Persona
>good
top lel
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>>253969349
>shitty handheld
>ever comparing to a console game
le toppest of keks
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II>SJ>IV=III>I

P2>P3>P1>P4

The only correct order.
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I was more partial to DUMBASS MARINES STUCK IN ANTARCTICA, though PUNCHING DEMONS: THE GAME was good too.
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>>253970995

its a turn based rpg

what difference does it make?
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What if I pick neither?
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>>253969349

I definitely preferred SJ
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>>253971031
>p1
>better than anything

yeah no. I like Persona 1 but it's the worst in the series.
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>>253971031
>>253971185
>SMTII
you guys aren't proving anything worthwhile
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I completed Nocturne with True Demon Ending, and I got to the 4th dungeon in Strange Journey before my acekard got the save file corrupted, and haven't restarted it yet.

I liked SMT: SJ better.
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Nocturne. SJ is way too bland and low budget for me.
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Nocturne because I hate first person for whatever reason
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Ahem.
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Preachy plot vs. barebones plot.

I'll still take Nocturne over SJ. Demon co-op was shit, anyway.
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>>253973585

To be honest the 3rd person navigation in Nocturne was dull and slow. First person is best for dungeon crawling.
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>>253969349

Obviously Nocturne
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>>253969349
They're both better than Persona 3 and 4 that's for sure.
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How are the RK games?
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>>253970605
Not even him, loved Strange Journey and Nocturne, but I always just reloaded save or canceled fusion until I got the skills I wanted anyways. There's no reason not to have skill choosing.
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where da dds at??
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both are great
i cant pick one
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SJ > Nocturne > IV
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>>253975064
Rather than getting the best of everything it forces you to settle. On rerolling the best your going to get is probably 3/4 skills you want. It forces you to think about what's most important for your team
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>>253975302
No, it forces you to retry endlessly until you get skills that don't blow.
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>>253969349

STRANGE JOURNEY IS BETTER
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>>253975302
More like it forces me to keep trying until RNG works in my favor. There's no thought to be had in shitty RNG.
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DDS
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>>253971414
And you're a cock munching faggot
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Nocturne has a better atmosphere, soundtrack and graphics, Strange Journey has better everything else.
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>>253969546
>Strange Journey Warrior

I hate everything this entails and implies
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Press Turn > Demon Co-op
Magatamas > Armor+Guns
Occasional Puzzles > Wandering around identical squares
Meguro > Whoever the fuck did the music for SJ

I'm convinced the only people who like SJ more are hipsters, I've yet to see any good arguments in its favour. Personally I prefer the reasons in Nocturne to the Law/Chaos shit of the rest of the series but I'm will to put that down to taste, in every other category Nocturne comes out on top.
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>>253975985
SJ has actual dungeons, superior boss fights, more enemy variety, more demons, a better fusion system and a better story. Nocturne puzzles are ridiculous simplistic, the dungeons are bland as all fuck, the boss fights are unmemorable for the most part (Fiends aside) and the characters are fucking retarded.
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>>253976339
Yet it still manages to be better than Persona 3 and 4.
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>>253975985
>Meguro > Whoever the fuck did the music for SJ
>Whoever the fuck did the music for SJ

I have bad news for you, anon.
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>>253975658
Enjoy your shitty broken game.
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>>253976456
It's never hard to outdo dating sims in the gameplay and character department.

aside from Getter Love 64 which is awesome
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>>253970427
>>253970590
I agree with both these guys. I still love all 3 though.
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>>253976456
Typical Nocturnefag. No rebuttal, just a shot at Persona to deflect criticism.
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>>253970590
>my dating sims are better than your RPGs
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Nocturne had better visuals, bosses, music, and atmosphere.

SJ had better story, (slightly) better gameplay, more content, and better dungeons

both are great, I don't think SJ is enough of an upgrade over Nocturne in the gameplay department to make up for how much better the presentation in Nocturne is.
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>>253970590
Don't forget that there will never be a difficult SMT game made ever again after SMT4/Persona sold so many copies
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Why haven't they reused the SMT IV engine for another game yet? The only currently announced SMT games are SMTxFE, and DeSu 2 BR.
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I don't wanna try to fight this love
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>>253977064
I wish they would remake SMT1-2 with the Etrian Odyssey 4 engine. They have all the reasons in the world to do it, seemingly.
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>>253977010
None of the SMT games are difficult past the first 5 hours.
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SJ > IV = III > II > I

Both IV and III had strengths and weaknesses IV having better environments and fusion, III had better battles though.
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>>253977010
>implying SMT games were ever hard
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>>253969546
Nocturne Babby
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DDS2 > DDS1 > P4 > SMT4 > SMT3 > SMT1 > RK > P3 > RK2 > DS > DS2 > SMT2 > P2 > Catherine > P4A > SJ > SH > P1

Its funny. Having played nearly the entire series, I don't really care for it anymore. Still gonna get P5 tho.
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>>253976339
>actual dungeons
What makes Nocturne's dungeons not "actual"? They're at least as good as wandering around identically textured squares to fill in dots on a map. They also don't punish you randomly for exploring by dropping you back to the start of the dungeon or whatever. SJ is so full of fucking padding.

>superior boss fights
Nope, the combat system is so terrible it removes most of the strategy present in Nocturne. No knowing what order the skills will execute is a terrible step backwards and the main character is useless the longer the game goes on. It never could have better fights when the combat system itself is so boring. Personally I think the boss designs are pretty bland and the only reason they stand out more than the ones in Nocturne is because they talk to you and there's fewer of them. The actual gameplay in the fights is far worse than Nocturne.

>more enemy variety
It's probably about the same in each, if SJ has more I didn't really notice the difference.

>better fusion system
Demon sources suck and disincentivise you from actually using any of your demons for more than a few battles. Nocturne had the balance right where you could use certain ones for a while and get attached to them like an actual party. Getting a skillset you want in SJ is incredibly tedious thanks to the sources and the alignment splits.

>better story
I think I'll have to agree to disagree, there's an endless amount of babble about objectives that means nothing. Go here, do this thing, here's some pseudo-science reason why you need to do it. Same thing repeated every twenty minutes or so, at least in Nocturne you have some breathing space. The characters are more relatable at least I'll give you that much.

>>253976553
If it was Meguro it's the only soundtrack from him I haven't liked. Every track is the same moany shit.
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>>253977625
>P4 that high
>P3 better than P2
>implying P1 isn't better than both
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Best story: 2
Best gameplay: 3
Best GOTTACATCHEMALL: SJ
Best music: 1
Best characters: If...
Best Persona rip-off: 4
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>>253977625
>P4 better than P2

Hah.
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>>253977757
>>253977773
You can say whatever you want about my opinions on the Persona series. Digital Devil Saga is clearly the best MegaTen series and the only one that matters.
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I liked talking to demons in Strange Journey do the other games have this?
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Who the fuck cares about gameplay?
The only thing that matters are the demon waifus

Pic related, it's mine
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>>253977952
Yes, except Raidou, Persona, Devil Survivor, Digital Devil Saga
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>>253978184
I heard her reincarnation loves the demi-dick
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>>253978184
Are we posting our waifus now?
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>>253977724
The fact that they are a bunch of empty corridors. Strange Journey has complex dungeon layouts with a lot of traps, puzzles, secrets, etc. The entire game is about exploring dungeons, and it does it incredibly well. How often were you rewarded for backtracking and exploring earlier areas in Nocturne? Yeah, that's what I thought.
>Battle strategy
You do know what order the skills will be executed, though. Maybe not from the very begginning of each battle, but that adds an element of unpredictability to the game thats not relying on RNG. The main character being useless is a fair point, but that works for SMT and puts a bigger emphasis on demon fusion. The boss designs in SJ are much more varied and have some interesting gimmicks going on.
>It's probably about the same in each
Objectively wrong. Look at the list of demons.
>Fusion system
You hoarding sources does not make the system bad. It's a great system that allows for versitality when creating demons. Also, it's not fucking Pokemon. You need to be fusing new parties in these games
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>>253969349

Ah, but here I believe that the DDS games are better than BOTH SJ and Nocturne
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>>253978689
>no demon recruitment
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>>253978818

Actual fucking characters >>>>> Demon recruitment
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>>253978346
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>>253978196
P1 has it
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>>253978889
>Something every RPG does is better than the most distinguishing feature of the SMT series

Why are you even playing these games, again?
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>>253978669
I do not remember many gimmicks in SJ. In fact I remember the fucking sarcophagus boss in Nocturne much more because he gives himself infinite turns.
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>>253978196
Raidou 2 has it.
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>>253979051

It's got a better story than Noctune and SJ, it's got better characters than Nocturne and SJ, and the gameplay is basically the same as Nocturne, which is slightly better than SJ's so... you do the math.
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>>253979053
Jack can heal himself for a crazy ammount of HP so that if you're not using a lot of buffs, out-damaging that is incredibly hard. Ouroboros has something similar too, which forces you to play very aggressively unlike the previous bosses.
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>>253978184
I love her cute boots and mittens.
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>>253978669
>You do know what order the skills will be executed, though
No you don't, it's semi-random every turn.
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>>253979526
It's agility based and certain skills like healing have priority.
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I played nocturne when i was younger, never finished it. I still haven't got to dante. motivate me /v/, please
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>>253969349

I really like SJ. Great atmosphere even for an handled game. Story was interesting enough and the gameplay too, but I also really liked Persona 3 so I doubt my opinion matters.
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>>253979702
Umm, it's only $8 on PS3.
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>>253971330
>persona 4 better than anything
Good joke.
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>>253979702
i still have to disk, but not the will to start again
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>>253979996
>>253980183
oops wrong quote
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>>253979796

Well, SJ originally was gonna be SMT IV, but they decided against calling it that for whatever reason. It's kinda funny that the IV ended up taking a lot of thematic cues from SJ in the end anyway.
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>>253981356
Japan wasn't too excited about mainline SMT not being in Tokyo.
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>>253981471
They can have their mainline series, SJ was a great installment for the western audience. I hope they try something similar again, but since SJ didn't do incredible, I doubt they will.

Also, for people who were wondering, because SMT1 and 2 weren't released over in the US, they did the same thing they did with Nocturne and removed the number from it so people wouldn't pass it up since they hadn't played 1 or 2. I'm assuming it was the same logic behind FF2/3 US.
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I prefer SJ to Nocturne, but plenty of others are as good as or better than SJ.
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>>253978184
>painted nails
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>>253981356
SMT4 is so sad. The concept, lore/background plot, and music is absolutely fantastic, but their actual execution falls so far low of how amazing a concept they have that I can't help but be disappointed.

And they treated alignments and character's regarding their alignments in a heavyhanded manner again, with a favoritism towards neutral and overly happy ending. It honestly felt like they had a lack of communication between those with the concept of the story or world building writers and the writers of the characters/plots.

And you can seriously feel those 3DS limits bearing down. The way they breezed through Naraku or any involvement of Mikado and their revolutions just took away one of the most unique things they had.
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>Bought nocturne
>PS2 went out
>Wanted to get PS3
>No BC
>Lost interest
>Ordered strange journey
>Gonna play it on 3DS
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>>253981356
It is technically SMT4 it's a main series game it just isn't numbered because they wanted to reach a wold wide audience with it.
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>>253977625
>SH that low
>P4 that high
You have the shittiest taste.
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>>253986174
>Soul Hackers
>good

Hipster, please
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>>253987059

Yeaaaaaah. kinda gotta agree with you there, Soul Hackers sucks... good thing I only paid 10 bucks for it during a sale
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>>253977625
>SMT1 that high
Why
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>>253987059
>SH
>hipster
Keep throwing around buzzwords to hide your shit taste.

The fact that you'd rank fucking P2 lower than P4 would suggest that you value gameplay over story, and yet you place Raidou and SMTI, both of which have horrid gameplay, near the top.
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>>253988156
>implying I am even the guy that made the list

doesn't change the SH is overrated by fags like you
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>>253988407
>>253988156
>>253987825
>>253987059
>>253986174

Once again: who fucking cares. DDS is the only MegaTen series caring about for a discussion like this.
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Strange Journey because the conversation system in Nocturne was awful
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>>253988407
If SH is overrated, then how the fuck am I a hipster for thinking it deserves to be higher than third to last? You aren't even making any sense. It's not like I'm saying SH is the best game or deserves to be at the top, either, but behind the likes of fucking P4? Give me a break..

Coincidentally, I only skimmed that list the first time I saw it and missed that it had SJ that low too, or I would've complained about that first.
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>>253977625
>DDS2
>Higher than DDS1
>both higher than Nocturne

>SJ that low
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>>253973721
Thanatos has such an aesthetic design.
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>>253979053
pretty much every boss from Asura onwards has a gimmick
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>>253992948
it looks like an EVA unit
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Why don't we say they're all good and they all have their positive qualities as well as their faults?
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>>253993867
Nice~
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I-I like Devil Survivor...
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