Pic of the day.

Wait, that means star KOs can't be saved by the clock anymore?

Did Sakurai just make a very reasonable fix to an annoying problem?

>>253711413
Yes.

Thank fucking Christ, those were so cheap it's not even funny.

>>253711283
>that windowglass effect on Mario's face

heh cool

Does Mac have battle damage?

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You mean KO's don't count unless they disappear? Why can't they just make it so it counts when the animation starts?

>>253711949
Because Sakurai is stupid.

Also he nerfed Jigglypuff's rest with that change.

>>253711413
Yes, just like he tweaked the speed and floatiness, added GC controller support and supported the tourneyfaggots, all that while adding mainstream characters that the main public will like.
Yet everyone complains.

>>253711949
I think that would be punishing the person who got killed TOO much, because their opponent just got a point and then they have to wait several seconds to get back in action which could be crucial in making a comeback. This change seems to for the purpose of eliminating the problem with someone winning or losing because a silly little animation took too long.

>>253712069
Not a competitive Smasher, how is Jigglypuff's rest nerfed? More time for Jigglypuff to wake up?

What is a "star KO"?

>>253712454
When the character flies into the background then vanishes into a star.

>Pink Villager laughing in the background after Smashing those two

SOMEONE BEAT UP LITTLE MAC
HES GOT A BRUISE AND A BANDAID
IS THIS BATTLE DAMAGE OR SCREEN K.O. EFFECT?

WHO PUT ON HIS BANDAID

>>253712391
It was already dogshit in Brawl, but now you can't depend on the star ko to let Jigglypuff recover from her rest animation.

Now Jigglypuff is even more boring to play as.

>>253712454

TEAM ROCKET IS BLASTING OFF AGAAAaaaaaiiiiiinnnnnn *ting*

>>253712454
team rockets blasting off agaaaaaaaaaaain

>>253712391
Two reasons:
>The amount of time that Jigglypuff sleeps after killing someone with Rest is short enough for her to wake up before they die from a star KO, but if they hit a blastline and die instantly they can get back to the stage and attack her before she wakes up. This change makes it so she can never get a safe star KO with it once you hit that time limit.
>A cheesy tactic people sometimes do with Jigglypuff is holding down shield until it breaks, which sends her flying upwards into a star KO which can make it almost impossible to kill her at the last few seconds of the match.

>>253712454
WE'RE BLASTING OFF AGAAAAAAAIN~
*twinkle*

>>253712454
When they fly off in the distance like Team Rocket.

>>253712454
When the character flies into the background, and a little "ting" sound effect plays while a star flashes in their place

>>253712329
Sakurai hates tourneyfaggotts though

He was forced to attend the invitational by Nintendo

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>>253712630
>>253712647

>>253712654
Well, thank god that second one got nerfed, huh?

>>253712654
This only applies when the timer is nearly out, though, and in tourneys they use stock with more than enough time for this to not be an issue.

>>253712686
He's making a Final Destination version of almost every stage, adding the For Glory mode and making the game the way Meleefags wanted.
Wish some girl hated me like that.

>>253713040
>FD
>good

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Not even tourneyfags plays that shit map anymore. And even then, you know the guy is a fucking Space Furry for wanting to pick this stage.

>>253712069
I mean it only counts at the end of a time limit, so if the times about to end anyway it really doesn't matter dude.

>>253713040
Nobody fucking wanted only FD stages. Its unbalanced and defeats the point of a platform fighter. I hope Sakurai takes this info consideration and changes it to different versions of battlefield instead, it shouldn't be difficult at all to add some generic platforms

>>253713204
Shut the fuck up you elitist prick

>>253713040
That just shows how out of touch Sakurai is. No tourneyfag wanted that, its just some meme. But nope apparently Sakurai though "no items, fox only, final destination" was serious

>>253713424
Or maybe he's balancing the game so that FD is more even?

>>253713040
He doesn't understand Meleefags then.
No one plays on FD, they want dash dancing, directional air dodge and hitstun.

>>253713480
Not when characters with zero projectiles exist.

>>253713424
It's not for the tourneyfags, it's for the fuckheads online.

Why not just cause the player to lose a reserve when the star fall begins and not at the end when they blink away?

>>253713480
That wouldn't be balance unless he takes into consideration characters that don't have projectiles and characters that can and will benefit from chain grabs due to a lack of platforms.

>>253713480
The point is platforms give little "havens" from some things
>Chaingrabs
>Camping
While adding mobility for some characters with smaller jumps, or giving new places to recover onto
This is why fox is so fucked on FD, EVERYONE chaingrabs him, and he cant retreat anywhere when recovering, its ledge or bust basically

>>253713480
>balancing FD
Nigga that is fundamentally impossible. Characters with projectiles are just flat out better. No platforms makes it far easier for characters like fox to spam lasers then run to the other side if you get close

>>253711413
But there were matches saved by the clock in that E3 tourney. I'm sure ZSS only made it to sudden death because the clock saved them.

>>253713204
>LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Are you seriously this mad?

>Tourneyputos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz96eSYdFvc

>>253713965
>sudden death
Which isn't allowed in smash comp play.

And look how the audience boo'd at scarflard. No one wants to be a cheap, stalling asshole, so your character with long-range beats the hard-working characters with zero shit range.

That's cute, can't wait for the inevitable compilation video of all the characters hitting the screen.

>>253713305
>>253713424
>>253713518
Seriously? I only ever see FD on tourneys.

>>253714401
What tourneys? You see most matches happen on Battlefield.

And even then, FD is only good as a counterpick and screwing shit characters with zero projectiles over.

>>253714315
I know /v/ will hate me for this, but:

http://knowyourmeme.com/search?context=images&q=tags%3A%28%22screen+k.o.%22%29

>>253714529
That's actually pretty neat. I didn't realize so many had been recorded already.

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>>253714529
>WFT even gets fit when she's slamming into the screen
Sakurai is brilliant.

>>253713424
Final Destination was the most chosen stage online by a fucking landslide.
>>253713305
Except the Japanese tourneyfags
They have FD only rulesets, I think you guys are forgetting where this game come froms
>>253713480
>>253713753
Chaingrabs are gone, you can report players for being douchebags while play and while projectiles do make FD better for them, theres ways of getting around them obviously.

There seem to be a lot of changes to help competitive play, but I've still heard plenty of complaints from people that have played that combos still aren't really possible due to low hitstun and that momentum doesn't carry into jumps.

>>253714101
>be me
>watch the smash reveal trailer live
>oh cool what do the smash ppl have to say
>go to comp smash twitch channel reaction stream
>analyzing a trailer for dairs, stages, muh tech, edge grabs
>literally no hype
>literally no fun allowed
fucking tourney fags

>>253714529

It looks so satisfying in this game.

>>253713204
>>253713305
>>253713424
>>253713518
>the metagame of Japan is radically different from that of America and Europe (especially the stage list, which is only composed of Final Destination, Smashville, and Battlefield)

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Japanese_tier_list

>>253714401
You're looking at the wrong tourneys then. Battlefield, Smashville, Fountain of Dreams, Dreamland, Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Island, Pokemon Stadium 1, Lylat System, Pokemon Stadium 2, and Final Destination are most of the stages usually played on (stages may vary depending on game or mod). Some tourneys have rare exceptions like Space Frigate being allowed. Counter picking is a part of tourney play. Maybe some people honestly don't see it, but platforms are an integral part of the game at any skill level.
-
Final Destination sounds good on paper, but can place a huge advantage to one character while placing a huge disadvantage to another. Lack of platforms grant benefits to characters that can jump in your face without much punishment or worry.

>>253711283
>>253714785

I would imagine the "hitting the screen" effect would look great on the 3DS

>>253714859
>Final Destination was the most chosen stage online by a fucking landslide.
That's because it's one of the few stages that doesn't lag like fuck online.

>>253711283
I need to pick this game up just to Screen K.O. Zero Suit Samus over and over.

>>253714529
>that Luigi

>>253715002

>characters hits screen
>he starts sliding down
>you can see him sliding over the bottom screen as well

This could be cool

Every stage having a final destination version isn't for tourneyfags

It's so stages like New Pork City or 75m or Electroplankton or Rumble Falls can be enjoyed without being TERRIBLE

I don't like the animation where they get stuck to the screen. I liked it more when they bounced off instead.

>>253713965
It was probably a recent addition. They're still working on the game, even today. They're probably just adding minor tweaks like this now.

>>253715017
Except that's wrong. FD has more lag than other stages, the only stage with actual problems with lag is Shadow Moses.

>>253714937
>brawl tier list

>>253713753
>Chaingrabs
Ah ha ha. You haven't read anything about Smash 4 I take it. You literally can't follow up on grabs anymore. THe knockback and finishing lag is too great now. They're good KO moves now, but good luck trying to execute a combo or a chaingrab with them.

>>253712569
Whenever Mac gets K.O.'d, Doc cleans him up before he respawns.

I'm trying to find this but anyone have any video or matches where they were saved by star KO as the clock ran out?

>>253714785
Her breast press against the glass, oh sweet jesus.

>>253715374
Because Smash 4 is like Melee, right?

>>253715368
Oh shit you're right. My bad, I was thinking of Project M when I said that.

>>253715408
Just like N64 thank god.

>>253715419
If you've played Smash bros, it has happened to you.

I cant wait til this game comes out so you'll stop making 7 threads every time Sakurai tweets anything

>>253715557
I never played with the clock

>>253713040
>Making a Final Destination variant of every level
>No one wants a fucking FD version of every level
>Sakurai actually took the joke seriously.

If this was any other competent developer, though, it would be fixed before launch or addressed in a patch (with ever level having a FD, Battlefield, or "neutral" setup). But since Nintendo has no idea what the Internet is (or cares about the Smash scene),

>>253714401
>Seriously? I only ever see FD on tourneys.

Well you certainly didn't watch EVO or Apex, that's for sure.

>>253714529
>pikachu's hat falls a little

>>253714529
All of them look like they are smashing into the screen except for DK

God damn his one looks shitty.

>>253715419
a lot of joke smash videos, where the guy taunts as the other player is in the middle of the star KO's and one of the cars at Port Town Aero Drive hits him and he ends up flying across the stage and losing

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>>253714529
>>253715659
I'm glad Red's hat is back

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Greninja a cute

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>>253714529
>dat kirby

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>>253714863
>momentum doesn't carry into jumps.
>In a Nintendo game

This continues to be the most glaring flaw since the exhaust port in the first Death Star.

>>253715637

>>253714937

>>253715835
>7 Children

Try to retcon THAT Miyamoto

>>253714529
>Donkey Kong's face

:y

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>>253714529
>Sonic's doesn't look like this.
What a missed opportunity.

This is actually a good idea.

I've lost some time matches because my oponent is sent flying away on the last seconds of the game and the time ends before he/she finishes flying away and doesn't count as a kill.

Good job Sakurai

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>>253715816
It seems that Sakurai still plays the new Kirby games

>>253715893
>Caring about the Japanese Smash scene, where "no fun allowed" actually would not be a joke

It's like Nintendo went to EVO for no reason.

I know there was a link screen KO at the invitational, is there a gif somewhere?

>>253715931
I think that fact that it's in English automatically retcons it.

>>253715996
he will always have a soft spot for it

>>253715835

Does Kirby work the same way?

>>253715510

Not exactly, since Falcon had that godly forward throw in 64. Man, I loved that.

>>253714101
>THAT'S BANNED ALREADY
Every time.

>>253714863
Combos are definitely possible, people are just not used to the game yet, theres combos in plenty of videos and there IS hitstun, unlike brawl where you could cancel out at anytime. If you've seen Greninja play or played as him you'd know momentum does carry into jumps but it's a stronger ground game for now.

>>253716008
It's almost like as if Nintendo is a Japanese company.

>>253716008
I'm 100$ sure that Nintendo's involvement in the Western competitive scene is all PR work handled by NoA. It's not as if Sakurai himself arranges their involvement.

>playing with timer settings on
What kind of cock sucker plays like this

so does ZSSamus squeez her tits on the screen too?

>>253716008
>It's like Nintendo went to EVO for no reason.

The went to it it sell Wii Us in North America.

>>253716294
All competitive players play with 8 minutes on the timer and stock. Not that it really matters cause that's more than enough time if this is a 3stock game like brawl.

Supposedly the whole community except you buddy.

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>>253716095
>>253714863
>that momentum doesn't carry into jumps.

This made no sense in Brawl, it makes no sense in Smash 4.

This company was literally FOUNDED on momentum-based jumping. It is so ill-conceived I can't eve fathom how anyone thought this was a good idea.

>>253716352
There is no part of ZZS that wouldn't look great pressed against the screen.

>>253716294
I play timer only, no stock, 30 minutes. Come at me.

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>>253716441

How hard could it be to edit those custom final destination stages into battlefield stages? I mean really.

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>>253716441
>filters

>>253715960
That would be TOO based

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>that character you hate that you know is gone for good

>>253716652
Roy wasn't your boy?

>>253716441
Nobody gives a shit about tryhards. Get used to it.

>>253716441
Fighting game instead of a platformer?

Also it was founded on Yakuza buying Hanafuda cards kid.

>>253716294
>Not playing 99 minute matches
>Not doing 3 CPU max difficulty 99 stock FFA matches
Someone didn't sink 300+ hours in melee as a kid

>>253716713
No
Snake

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>>253716441
>those filters

>>253716652
Don't be silly, only the worst cancers don't want characters in.

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>>253716652
>Snake

>>253716526
Well if you fags actually requested it at E3 when they were taking feedback maybe we would already have it.

>>253711283
>Little Mac gets his face fucked up
Interesting

>>253716801
Mah nigga

>>253714101
>Not knowing that D1 is based as fuck and joking. It's like you hate fun.

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>>253716713
no, of course not. Who the hell likes roy?

>>253716751
>>253716801
Fight me irl, both of you

>>253716652

>that character you hate that will never leave forever

>>253716914
Is there something good about cakewalks?

>>253716945
It's not polite to fight women.

>>253716801
Snake will always be cool, plus it was worth having him in to see Kirby snake

Jesus christ, tourneyfags get their OWN FUCKING MODE yet their still moaning and shitting over the series.

Can you just admit you're not proper smash fans and leave the rest of us alone? You're becoming a serious downer

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>>253713305

>perfectly flat stage
>unbalanced

>why does everyone laugh at us "PRO SMASHERS"??

>>253716713

Roy was my boy, but I know he doesn't deserve to get in. It still hurts though.

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>>253717108
Yea hes a cool character sure. I have nothing against him or metal gear. He just felt so out of place in smash bros it felt strange whenever he was on the playing field.

Especially if he had made it back in this game, considering how much more colorful this one is.

>>253717068
>a character isn't shit, so it's a cakewalk
there's a better way to make your main characers, who you have to use all the time and result in a game over when they die, not shit or overpowered. Eirika is a good example. Her growths follow that of a myrmidon, except maybe a little better, and gets a horse when she promotes

>>253717179
Now you know why Sakurai hates them

>>253717237
I actually just hate metal gear solid fans, they act like there series is some kind of gift that's so deep and shit on non playstation players

>>253717179

For Glory mode isn't tourneyfag mode, it's underage Fox faggot who thinks he can play like tourneyfags mode.

It exists solely to prevent these faggots from making you play on FD in every fucking match online.

>>253717179
For Glory isn't for competitive players, though. Or do you actually think Fox Only Final Destination is a real thing and not an outdated meme?

>>253713965
>ZSS wassnt knoked out, he just stalled

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>>253717197

To be fair, this motherfucker in Brawl is a pain in the ass to fight on FD.

>>253717237
I agree. As hype as his reveal was, his inclusion was really weird and he played like shit. Even Pac-Man fits in better than him.

>>253717335
But MGS is in almost every single plataform, what are you talking about?

>>253717429
fuck i didnt mean to green text

>>253717429
Kirby was the real staller
Every match that fag just hid and played defencivly and people cheered

>>253717339
>>253717405

>it's not for tourneyfags
>It's not for serious competitive players

Then who's it for?

>>253717495
>buy mgs on Xbox
>mgs fans go ape shit
>ask for pc port of mgs
>go ape shit
>ask for wiiu port
>piiu/snake in smash pls

>>253717547
It's for the Japanese Smash scene, read the thread and stop asking.

>>253717457
I'm more worried about Little Mac
If his weakness is air combat then he is going to be a beast on platform-free stages.

>>253717547
It's for faggot Nips.

>>253717405
The whole point of no items, fox only, final destination wasn't meant to be literal. It's always been meant to mock the tourneyfag mentality.

>>253717547
The fags on Brawl online that refused to play anything but FD.

>>253717457
>Falco is my favorite character
>friend mains Ike
>we'd always play on FD
Looking back, I'm surprised he didn't get mad, that matchup is fucked.

>>253717197
except perfectly flat stages are unbalanced. They favor characters with chaingrabs, large attackboxes, and strong horizontal approach, while disfavoring characters with strong vertical approach and small attack range.
>>253717457

>>253717687

>stop asking

But you answered my question, feggit.
Thanks anyway.

>>253714878
>be me
kill yourself

>>253717758
>the tourneyfag mentality.
The fact that people think that this is what the "tourneyfag mentality" is is funny.

Do you know why items are off? Because they introduce elements of complete inadaptability and because they are extremely powerful to the point where you should always be throwing items at each other, thus homogenizing gameplay.
Do you know why certain stages are banned? Because players are so good and understand the game so thoroughly that they have figured out that there are stages where they can just fucking demolish you through stage design, completely safely.
And characters in Melee were never, ever banned.

>>253717518
it doesnt matter, he used a valid tactic and he come in second

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>>253711283
This and edge trumping I can get behind

Two features that desperately was needed in Melee and Brawl.

>>253717745

I feel like zoners can deal with him well, Mario might give him trouble since he can keep jumping away and spamming fireballs. As long as he doesn't get caught on the ground, Mac can't do crap.

>>253717770

I played as Ike and Ganondorf against my Falco friend. I knew when he picked FD that I'd have a hell of a long match. At least Ike had the range and the jab to not be as weak to grabs though.

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>>253717023
Ness.
I can't get into his series, it's a mediocre TBRPG.
If they wanted to add a midget from a niche series, Goemon would've filled that slot better.
Imagine if he were miraculously in now.
>Throwing fast Ryo or slower, higher damage flaming Ryo Medal attack
>Extending his chain pipe for his grab or a ranged smash attack
>Summoning Impact for his Final Smash, punching shit from the view of the cockpit

>>253717914
Once again there is no chain grabs and you have no idea how the characters are balanced this time around.

>>253718087
So why are people whining about the zero suit player copying him in the finals?

>>253718051
Hey mate, fuck off. I've already told you to piss off.

It's been 12 motherfucking years since melee was released yet you're still sucking it off and ruining actual Smash threads.

Leave

>>253716652
You'll never be able to beat the hell out of that character you hate with your new main...

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>>253718051

>hurr everything is unbalanced fuck you sakurai you asshole

Stop treating this as an actual fighting game then. It's embarrassing

>>253718328
I wanted him out because he ruined a better third parties chances

>>253718260
It's also been 12 years since a good Smash game was released.

>>253718348
Sick meme!

>>253718210
im not complaining, both player stalled at some point in the tournament

>>253718137
Ike's jab is godlike.
Then again, so is Falco's.
Back then I'd just moved to Brawl from Melee so I tried to play a rushdown Falco, so matches weren't too lame.
Rushdown is shit in Brawl though, if feels like every game mechanic is working against you when you play that way.

>>253718351
>if a game isn't an actual fighting game it shouldn't be well designed

>>253718260
>ruining actual smash threads
>by talking about smash
I don't even care about smash, just stopping by to call you a retard.

>>253718384
Despite the fact him and Kojima's groveling is what let third parties get a chance in the first place?

>>253718175
>there is no chain grabs
>there is
please die.

We don't REALLY know there aren't any chaingrabs because the game isn't out yet anyway, and it's a smash game, so we know how the characters are gonna be balanced: They won't be.

>>253718484
>kojima let
No, sonic would have gotten in regardless of snake. Just because kojima asked first and put the worst konami rep in smash doesn't mean he paved the way.

>>253718210
>Why are people who take competitive Smash seriously retarded
Oh gee, I wonder why!

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>>253718385
Why are you such a faggot?
Honestly, you tourneyfags have this fucking ridiculous mentality going into a game like Smash, and you're fucking cancerous to the community that likes to play it.
You are a gigantic fucking faggot.

>>253718470
Actual smash threads don't dwell on a game from a decade ago and look forward to the future and support the developer.
Fuck yourself, stop acting like you know anything.

>>253718568
Unless Sega were pushing for it too I kinda doubt that to be honest. And I see no signs that they were.

>>253718572
No one who takes competitive smash seriously would whine about stalling.

>>253718457
>a game is only well designed if it caters to my needs as a "professional gaymarr"

>>253718447

My friend was the stally type, chaingrabs, lasers, you name it. I still won more matches, but I picked up Marth as a sub just to get out of chaingrabs. I'm glad most of the people I played weren't too annoying though, some of the later Brawl matches I've seen have been so boring.

>>253718720
Yuji naka asked for sonic in melee around the same time as kojima, sega tried again for brawl

>>253718145

>you will never worm across the stage as Goemon in a Smash Bros game
>you will never fight in feudal japan with a giant robot battle taking place in the background, occcasionally interrupting the stage
>you will never activate his final smash with the impact theme kicking in as he blows the triton shell

Woof!

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meleefags are just sad persons that only need attention, i mean they cant have fun with a new game with a lot of new stuff and a REAL online mode
its just sad see this kind of person

>>253718637
Guess how many Smash Bros. tournaments I've been to.

>>253718120
not recovering invincible frames from ledgegrabbing until you land on the stage is my favorite. I hate the Brawl scene with a passion because of ledge stalling.

>>253718674
Why is it bad to play a game regardless of its release date?
Why should you unconditionally look forward to the future and support a developer that intentionally made a trainwreck of a game?

>>253718747
No, not really what I'm saying

>>253714529
>sonic is facing left
>mario is facing right

>>253718210
Yeah honestly the kirby guy found out that you can instant KO on the lighting fixture on the boxing stage and just kept hiding and doing that and no one cared. Then the fat kid was playing smart and used his longer ranged pokes to keep kirby out and it worked.

Really the kirby instant KO thing was more bullshit but for some reason it was fun to watch and not as frustrating, though I admit by all accounts and purposes it should be considered worse

>>253718798
Did not know this. Got a source or anything?

>>253718787
I ended up not liking Brawl because getting good tends to = getting boring.
There are some really good players like Mr R who make Brawl look fun though, so props to them.

>>253719281
I think that Kirby play had it coming for playing like a pussy, reminds my if my brother who plays him.
>runs from me when I play sonic
>gets mad when I don't struggle out of a kirbycide
>whines when I can ko him with an item

>>253719402
Hard to find live sources since he stated it in an interview in 05

>>253718990
none because you're a poor fat autistic cock

I'm not sure if I'll be using a gamecube controller this time around or not. They have dedicated shield and grab buttons on the wii u pro controller and my biggest beef with the gamecube controller is pressing Z and getting a shield instead half the time

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>>253717457
>Playing Brawl
>Smashing my friend's shit in 1v1 as Ganon
>He keeps calling my grab bullshit
>Tell him I'm playing the objectively worst fighter in the entire series and he should shut his faggot face
>Decides to pick Falco and go straight for FD
>Spams lasers
>Punch his bitch ass in the air whenever he jumps over me to run across the stage
>Still win
>Gives up his controller to another friend

Fucking casuals man.

>>253719917

I probably will, if only because I didn't like the Wii U Pro set up. I'm just too used to those C-stick aerials.

>>253720090
Yeah the GC layout is just perfect for smash except for the Z button thing. You can do R+A I know but even that can be spotty.

I'm hoping they have a Wii U bundle for Smash that includes the GC adapter along with the game and console. That way I can have the option to use either.

>>253719834
Fair enough anon. I withdraw my false opinion.

>>253719959
Ganon might suck in tournaments but he fucking destroys casuals in the most brutal way possible.

>>253720402

Best part about Ganon is spamming that thunder stomp. Move forwards, backwards, keep on stomping, and they just fall into it somehow. I love it.

>>253720538
I agree that is fun. However I was playing Brawl with my sister the other day and the most satisfying thing is throwing them off the stage and then doing the suicide side B when they hop back to the stage

>>253712329
>mainstream characters that the main public will like.
>Nintendo's lightning, his waifu, narutomon and three different kinds of player avatar

>>253720402
I remember watching one of those Melee tournament videos with the commentators talking about Ganondorf. They said that Ganon is a bad fighter, but only if you respect his spacing, which casuals never do. If you don't respect Ganondorfs spacing by either A.) Letting him run over you, or B.) Going full yolo trying to do 0-100% combos, you could be playing the most tourneyfag spacie and Ganon will punch your shit to the next Zelda timeline.

And as a Ganon main, I fucking believe it. Fuckers always dash attacking hoping to get something out until I chain grab and f-air their stupid ass.

>>253717197
A perfectly flat stage can be unbalanced, yeah. Blame the Star Fox characters.

Things might be different this time around, who knows.

>>253720312
Fucking GameStop has it.

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Screen KOs seem only marginally faster than star KOs in this game though, considering the characters comically linger on the sreen for a second before falling off

Anyway, if I ever lost because I got a double KO with my opponent and I died faster because of a screen KO/I failed to get a KO just as time was running out and then lost because of percent/lost because of a sudden death following a situation like that, I wouldn't even be mad, that'd be tense as fuck

>>253721389
I'm pretty sure a Mario character, a Pokemon, and Miis are easily identifiable by the public, and any backlash over them has been by vocal minority neckbeards on the Internet at best.

Kid Icarus isn't terribly mainstream but Uprising was pretty successful.

>>253715408
Many characters can still follow up off throws. Luigi can combo from his down throw at fucking 90%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZYVxxHE-5k&feature=player_detailpage#t=250

It's just Marth's throws that got nerfed up the fucking ass.

Ending lag is widely inconsistent between characters both on aerials and throws at the moment though, as is knockback. I think it's just unfinished and the numbers haven't been tweaked yet.

>>253721804
Isn't that just the game though? I don't own a Wii U yet and I was hoping to get a smash system bundle

>>253722286
Yeah not console, just game, gamecube controller and adapter.

>>253713305

Check it, bruh. Casuals won't play for glory, and tourneyfags will practice with other tourneyfags and exchange friend codes so they can do specific setups.

For Glory and alternate Final destinations are for the middle of the road people who believe NO ITEMS FOX ONLY FINAL DESTINATION is how the "real" players play, which is probably the largest segment.

And get ready for Little Mac to be king of For Glory.

>Mfw I play best on Final Destination
>Mfw I love chain-grabbing and long combos with no platform interruption
For Glory mode is gonna be fun. I hope the best/most common characters are fast-fallers that I can juggle all day long.

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>>253718920
Goemon is the shit
>Does his kabuki head roll for a taunt
The back of that blue dragon would be a cool stage, as well.
Having it land at different areas of the game like a Coffee Shop, outside of Edo Village, or at the Shrine of the Money God.
Missed potential.

>>253723068
Would Konami be cool enough to let him have a trophy like Reimon?

Probably not

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>>253722562
>Little Mac being the king of For Glory

Literally the first thing that popped into my mind when Sakurai brought up the "Every stage has a FD form!" thing, nice to see I wasn't the only one who picked up on that.

It's fucking stupid that he chooses a stage with no platforms and heavy emphasis on ground game, when there's a character who is mega OP on the ground. Ill probably never touch For Glory because it will be swarmed with Little Mac fags, OHKOing motherfuckers everywhere with that goddamn punch.

>>253715637

Why is /v/ full of so many idiots that thinks Sakurai actually listens to them?
Do you really think Sakurai has seen the "Fox Only, No Items, Final Destination" jokes?
Of fucking course he hasn't, he's Japanese, he doesn't speak English well at all.

This is along the lines of the people saying that he altered Chrom/Lucina because he read the Gemetsu leak.
Do you see all the effort he's putting into this game? There's no way he has time to read all of this shit or even be aware of it, let alone give a shit.

Fuck, you're as retarded as people that post on the Miiverse begging Sakurai to add Goku, expecting him to actually read their English comments.

SURE IS SUMMER IN HERE

>>253723220
>No Snake
>No Goemon
>No Belmonts
>Not even Dark Magician or Blue Eyes White Dragon assist trophies, not that I can think of what they'd do aside from shootan magic
Konami so cruel.

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>>253711283
>liking smash

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>>253716652
>no more jigglypuff
Glorious day

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>>253723818
XXXDDD

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>>253724006

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>>253724006
Gross.

>>253723234
No platforms also means you can be juggled very easily as you have no platforms to land on as you fall. Chaingrabs and up air juggles are common on FD and a lack of platforms also means it's easy to get grabs, which can be converted into more juggles. I wouldn't call Mac to be that good on it just yet; most characters will be able to up throw him and then juggle him.

I think he's a very flawed character regardless of the stage. Air game is everything in Smash and he has none of it.

What's the problem with star knockouts? I always felt really awesome when I managed to get one

>>253726217
There isn't, they just made it so that when the countdown in a time match is nearly over, Star KOs won't happen to prevent the "3 2 1 GAME" and you lose because they hadn't dinged yet

>>253726309
Ahhh that makes sense, thanks

zero suit samus

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>>253724006
...source of that image?

>>253711819
It's an alt costume. There's Classic Mac, Smacked-to-Shit Mac, SPO Mac, and Pink Hoodie Mac iirc.

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>>253727178
zero suit a best

>>253719959
mah nigga

I always play Ganondorf and wreck shit

>>253727964
boner achieved

>>253723602
>Sakurai actually listens to them?

You mean the Swordsmen joke? Or the "I am alive" joke? Or him imitating Iwata's directly pose?

Or de- and reconfirming ZSS, because retards actually believe she is cut?

>>253724801
Have you played the Smash for Wii U? Seems to me like most players agree that he's a beast. Yes he has no air game, but if he can make up for it that's great. Unfortunately we won't be seeing any crazy maneuvers like we're used to seeing in tourneys from him, but who knows how good he'll be.

>>253715785
>That slight hat flop as he falls
Glorious. I love the new screen splats.

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>>253716441

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>>253731794
I hope Bowser's is this.

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>>253732178

>>253732178
>>253732318
There's a load here >>253714529
New character taunts here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quEunnROJrI

>>253732703
Wii fit trainer only stretching one side of her body sets off my OCD.

THAT'S FUCKING AWESOME.

BASED SAKURAI

Flying into the screen? Isn't a lakitu flying around with a camera? how to they fly into it like that?

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>>253732318
there was one of rosalina in the invitational, all I remember is she looked slutty, anyone have it?

>>253732318

Somehow his hands look too big.

>>253733198
It's in >>253714529
2ridley2post.
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/784/148/040.gif

Damn, Sakurai, you think of everything.

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>>253733163
It's your TV screen

>>253733365
but the feed from a lakitu's camera is what you're seeing on your TV

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>>253733301
Well of course, afterallheisyourFUTUREWIFE. hahahahaha

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>>253733301
>>253733585
Sakurai: I already ordered a pizza. (laughs)

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HOW DARE TOURNEYFAGS REFUSE TO PLAY FUN AND INTENSE STAGES LIKE THIS ONE?!

>>253733438
Nah, that's just Mario Kart and Mario 64.

>>253733812

Oh no, he died with 156% damage. What artificial difficulty.

>>253733948
>reaching 156% on the first place

Probably that shitty stage's fault too.

>>253733812
Don't wanna get hit by crabs then you should git gut.
Also don't sleep with skanky hos.

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Wonder what other game mechanic updates there'll be. Seems like they're pushing to make it more competitive.

>>253715557
Not him, but ive always played with stock.

>>253733812
That shit's one of my favorite stages, actually.

So easy to cause so much butthurt.

>>253734897
They would be going the wrong way about it, but yeah, they're trying to please as many people as possible. I wonder if they'll change anything about the HP mode.

>>253735028
It can still happen sorta similarly on a double KO. You win because your death animation took a shorter amount of time.

>>253714529
>that Bowser
boner no
that's not okay

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>>253719959
>>Tell him I'm playing the objectively worst fighter
>objectively

I'll bet you actually that in real life too you fucking autist.

Do you say "implying" to your friends too?

3DS version is going to be shit. Nintendo was smart releasing this a few months before the real version.

>>253735259
I hope they make it so that you can have more than 300HP and set up stock HP. That'd be cool. I like the idea of HP mode but it never lasts long enough.
They should bring back bonuses and bonus mode but make it so you can win without having the most kills since kills counted for so many points in melee.

>>253735381
You're a cheeky cunt mate.
Why do you think it'll be shit?

>>253732060
you could make a game that looks like it and get praised for its innovative and philosophical visuals

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>>253714298
>scarflard

i hated him from the beginning
i really wanted purple shirt to fuck him up

>>253735392
I think they should remove HP mode from the bonus section and make it a game type along with stock, time, etc. In that way, we'd get more options to fix HP mode to feel appropriate. It felt weird that it was always in the same group as everyone getting bunny ears and spicy food for the duration of the match.

>>253733812
the only stages I really hate are the Earthbound ones and the Donkey Kong arcade one and this.

>>253735392
>>253735771
they should make it so that HP recovers over time if you don't get hit for a certain amount of time, it would be interesting.

>>253735461
Shit controls and shit graphics.

Enjoy your broken 3DS in the first week

>>253736059
Graphics look pretty good as 3DS games go. Good enough for purpose.
Haven't played it but if I can adapt to play on an X360 controller then I'm sure I can adapt to play on a 3DS.

>>253735989
It would probably be better to make it so that taunts can heal you rather than standing around. Add insult to injury during a K.O. and all that.

>>253711283

I don't like how the characters don't really go far when they get star KO'd, in the first smash bros you could see them becoming actual points and then a star popped, in this one they go far a couple of meters and then disappear, often directly in front of a background object, fucking retarded.

>>253718637
Quit being upset.

>>253736435
>add insult to injury

Ironically, it wouldn't. The appeal of the taunt is that it does nothing, so when you see someone do it, they're doing it for nothing other than to piss you off. It's not as rage-inducing if people spam taunt to heal. I don't get mad if Q or Dudley taunts 'cause I know he's getting health or is trying to mix me up.

>>253735836
Onett+Fourside=good
New pork city=OHMYGODIMGOINGTOKILLYOUFORSELECTINGTHIS

>>253736854
Oh yeah, that makes sense.

>>253718051

>ANYTHING I CAN'T ADAPT TO IS BANNED

>>253736863
Don't worry, anon. The second coming of New Pork is here in the form of Palutena's Temple.
BANNED

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>>253735239
*teleports in front of you*

*high fives you forever*

*unstrips menorah*

pssh, nothin cassual...kid...

>>253713480
Compared to Melee it's even less balanced. The fact that momentum doesn't carry into jumps + general Brawl air speeds means that sticking along the ground is the only real way to move, which means camping should be even easier.

>>253718731
So you've never heard people complain about Hungrybox huh?

>>253715510
Are you fucking kidding? That's NOTHING like 64. You can follow up throws for days in 64. It's infamous for zero to death combos. Meanwhile in Smash 4 it looks like there's so much end lag that you literally cannot following at all. Which is fucking stupid.

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>>253734897

Tripping is gone, that's all I need

>>253712686
[citation needed]

What does he mean by patterns?

>>253714529
>Bowser hits the screen then falls back like a Wil E Coyote cartoon

Neat.

>>253721645
Marth has more to do with it than spacies. Lolchaingrabs.

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>>253718798
I know that Yuji Naka asked for Sonic in Melee, but in the "History of Sonic" book, it mentions that during Brawl development, Nintendo were the ones that approached SEGA during early development, and they initially declined. This was after Yuji Naka left by the way. When fan demand rose after Snake's appearance and a poll was made, Nintendo tried again to convince SEGA with said poll, and it was there that they decided to let Sonic in.

>>253718210
Cus he's fat and ugly compared to the Kirby player.

>>253718567

Throws as of now are 64 style

>>253738014
The problem was NPC was big and gimmicky. Hyrule temple was big but no gimmicks so was bearable if selected.

>>253734010
I play with the damage ratio .5 so damage that high is normal for me

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>>253714529
I almost want to say that Sonic's screen KO is similar to this face. Tiny pupils and everything.

>>253717518
He did it less though.

Why bitch about the dude who did it least?

>>253712647
>>253712630
Now I want to see team rocket in smash :S

>>253711283
>pretending it actually matters

>>253712723
Mmmmm, christopher meloni.
Brb boner

>>253718979
WOOP!

>>253714529
Did some of the earlier games have something like this or am i just remembering wrong?

>>253740559
Hyrule temple was also fairly easy to get around. Any character could jump from the bottom bit either up the steps on the left or up to the ledgey bit in the middle. It was hard for some characters in NPC to get from the bottom to the top middle even with 3 jumps.
NPC is too big and now Palutena's Temple looks even bigger, it's gonna be so shit.

>>253741780
It happens in all of them but it used to just be bounce off the screen and fall. Now they all have silly unique poses like they're splatting on your screen.

>>253741780
Brawl had it, but they didn't "press" against the screen, they just tumbled down it

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>>253716008
The point is, out of all the countries/nations in the world, Japan has by far the most influence on Smash.

That would explain other things like:

>Samus's design always being based on the Sakamoto developed games and not Prime
>Characters like Marth, Lucas and Roy being added
>R.O.B's default color scheme is his red Famicom palette swap
>Pic related games' never came out in any form in Japan, and thus received no references, not even a sticker, in Brawl.

Granted, there are times when Sakurai throws the US a bone with characters like Little Mac, but other than that, Smash is a very japanese oriented game and always has been.

>>253742206
Well fuck Japan. They suck.

>>253742206
>Samus's design always being based on the Sakamoto developed games and not Prime
Wait that doesn't make any sense because Brawl Samus WAS Prime Samus. Zero Suit was based on Zero Mission which Retro used in Prime 2 and 3

But Startrpoics getting zero reckoning tion is pretty bullshit. Hell, Nintendo of America doesn't remember it because it's not even on the e-shop

Sakurai has said he made For Glory mode for people who went online and refused to play non-FD stages. That's it. It had nothing to do with tourneyfags, Japanese or otherwise.

>>253742680
>Wait that doesn't make any sense because Brawl Samus WAS Prime Samus.

Wasn't Samus's Brawl design just a more detailed version of her SM/Zero Mission design?

>>253742680
Well there was never a 3D model of samus except for the unreleased Metroid 64, so Prime's was used when Brawl came out since it already existed.

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>>253743063
Nope, shoulders give it away as Prime. Technically Prime's suit design is heavily inspired by SM, but it's definitely the Prime Varia suit.

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>Stage Builder still hasn't been announced.

>>253711283
Wait, I'm stupid, what's a star KO? When they get knocked up and they dissapear to the background instead of hitting the "screen"?

>>253744037
Yes. The Team Rocket turning into a star in the distance thing.

>>253744037
It's when they disappear into a star.
Star KO.

>>253744037
Yeah. When they basically turn into a star, Team Rocket style.

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>>253744037

>>253743857
>3DS
>Handeling a stagebuilder
Nah man, its over.
Its not gonna be a wii u exlusive either, people would be mad and they would've had tosplit the game community

>>253713204
but days rong.

space furries and ganondorf love the battlefield stages while nearly everyone else loves fd

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>>253744115
>>253744118
>>253744143
>>253744161
Thanks, have some tits

>>253743857
Why? Unless the was dedicated to just stage building it will just end up being simple and lame

>>253727717
>[citation needed]

>>253733812
I love this stage cos you can hang around the edges and throw people into a straight KO. Same goes for the DK one.

>>253743857
I think Stage Builder is the reason why Project M existed. I'm not sure

>>253744198
They already gave 3DS an exclusive mode.

>>253744402
more please :3

>>253743857
You and me both, man. Brawl's shit, but I had so much fun making my own stages which were nothing but Battlefield variants and trying them out.

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>>253714529
>Wii Fit Trainer

I like her

>>253735467
>philosophical visuals

I'm surprised no one's talking about this Smash fan game. Ridley's even in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjpMgNgKzaQ#t=38

>>253713305
>Its unbalanced and defeats the point of a platform fighter.

So does turning off items and every stage that isn't battlefield.

>>253744683
It's an exploit that can be used to run unsigned code, but that's a coincidence; it's not like EVERY stage builder will do the same thing. That's like saying we can't have any more zelda save files because of the twilight hack.

>>253743857
I really hope they get their shit together with the stage builder. The one in brawl was lame as fuck. Pick between 3 backgrounds/item types and you can't overlap anything which totally kills any cool stage ideas? It was so half-baked.

rip stock matches

>>253717197
final destination is not completely balanced. It's in the favor of fast characters with projectiles and space furries have a huge advantage. I'd say the most balanced stage is battlefield and any other medium-sized neutral stages with a simple platform formation.

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15 years since the original smash bros and they're STILL making time matches the default?

Nobody likes that shit. The only time it's ever played is when someone forgets to set it to stock.

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>playing on time

>>253746067
there's no reason not to now.

with the ko's completely set, you can have a normal fight in timed matches

>>253733812
That's fucking hilarious, though. Even if I was doing a serious battle and that happened to me, i'd just laugh my ass off.

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Even though Scarflard won at least this Cow lost the first round.

>>253718145

Seriously nigger? I fucking despise Earthbound but Ness is one of my favorites in Smash.

>>253745108
>not making a stage that's literally just a boxed in area with no way out, putting level 9 CPUs in there and watching them fight until they all reach 999% and spend the rest of eternity ricocheting off the walls at mach speed

>>253715803
He looks like his life is rough.

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>>253746379
>I fucking despise Earthbound
Why, anon?

>>253733294

that face is my fucking fetish