>Smash Bros creator Masahiro Sakurai says that he cut Chrom from the roster because he lacks any unique characteristics. Sakurai explains that he thought long and hard about adding Chrom, but he decided that Chrom would just end up being too similar to the other sword-wielders like Marth and Ike.
>“Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth’s alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters’ names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup.”
>“However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!”
Oh god dammit.
Great. Another character to fucking slog through Classic and All Star with.
>b-b-but he can replace Ike because he fights exactly like him
AND THAT'S WHY HE GOT BTFO
POST YOUR FACE WHEN /v/
>Lacks any unique characteristics
Yeah, he lacks the waifu crap. Fucking Lucinafaggots.
Plus, it's really fucking gutsy by Sakurai to say Lucina has unique characteristics when all she is are a 1:1 Marth clone both in the Fire Emblem games and in Smash.
What a BORING character. Wish we got someone interesting.
He doesn't even fight like Ike. Sakurai would've made up an unique moveset for him but realized there's nothing that makes him really different from Marth or Ike and he'd feel like a mixture of both
>it's really fucking gutsy by Sakurai to say Lucina has unique characteristics
Where are you getting the idea that Sakurai ever said that? Sakurai has said multiple times that Lucina is exactly like Marth, hence why he planned on making her Marth's alt costume originally
The creators of the game probably want to keep the game's roster from getting too large. So although there isn't a predetermined number of "slots," Lucina's inclusion makes every other character ever-so-slightly less likely to be included.
>The creators of the game probably want to keep the game's roster from getting too large.
Why? A larger roster is a better thing for them, remember that each character will have an Amiibo?
They decided which characters they wanted to add at the start of development anyway. Anything after that is a bonus.
>SLOTS SLOTS SLOTS
You really think they said "Okay, even with the budget and time when we hit THIS many characters we're done. Nobody could possibly want more characters than this."
She's a last-minute lazy bonus, but it was her or nothing in her place. Stop acting like [your character of choice] was dropped in lieu of her.
>yfw Lucina will always be the first character to be cut from smash 5 roster predictions
>yfw she's even confirmed before Marth
>yfw the butthurt of Japan Time 3.0 will be so enormous it travels through timespace and you can feel it even now
Didn't Smash already have enough swordsmen? Just because this one's a girl she's unique? I don't think Sakurai knows what the word unique means. There are a lot of female swordsman in videogames.
>the main characteristics of their attacks differs
Not a big enough deal to put her in as a seperate character.
And some blind Nintendo-worshipping fanboys will still defend this shit.
>Chrom doesn't have any unique characteristics, so he doesn't get to be a character at all
>Lucina is so similar to Marth that she was almost an alternate costume, but they decided to change a sweetspot on her sword so that's enough to make her an individual character
I'm just glad we got Robin.
You know what's cool? This
>Let's start with Lucina (first image). She has the exact same set of special moves that Marth does, but like the game's director Masahiro Sakurai explained, the main difference between Lucina and Marth is that the former's moves will do the same damage regardless of which part of her blade hits, whereas Marth's attacks will only do maximum damage if the tip of his blade brushes the opponent.
>One very important detail that both the character reveal trailer and Sakurai left out, however, is that you can actually start a match as Lucina with her mask on. In fact, Lucina has a taunt that lets her put on or remove the mask, in a similar fashion to Guile's "sunglasses" taunt in Ultra Street Fighter 4.
>Just because this one's a girl she's unique? I don't think Sakurai knows what the word unique means
Holy fucking shit, are you guys retarded? When Sakurai talks about the unique character he's talking about Robin. He's directly emphasizing that Lucina is exactly like Marth
>When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!
Is no one else reading this and wondering how many more clones there are? Or is he talking about the series in general and its many clones?
Marth wasn't even that amazing of a character, this bitch is just unnecessary and lame.
Everyone bitching about Lucina is retarded
ROBIN Was the new character reveal
Lucina is just a marth costume that got edited enough to become its own character
Moaning about cutting Chrom for Lucina is dumb, because he wasn't. He was cut for Robin
>waste everyone's time with this slut instead of putting in a good character
>yfw the small difference will be what makes Lucina SS tier and Marth B tier
>yfw all former Marth players will use Lucina
>yfw nobody plays Marth anymore
>yfw Lucina stays in smash 5 and Marth is cut
But identical to Marth's.
THEY WERE RIGHT YOU FUCK.
DOES ANYONE HONESTLY THINK THAT GEMATSU WAS A LUCKY GUESS
jesus christ. Don't even dump the gamblers fallacy, whatever fallacy issue, it doesn't apply.
Wolf, fox and Falco all play completely differently
All of them having a blaster as a neutral B, a reflector as down b, and fox and Falco sharing their side/up bs doesn't mean they're the same character
>mfw marth from melee isn't a girl
>mfw they add female marth to new smash
No, Robin is a unique character that will likely stand the test of time just like Ike, and remain as Smash's resident tactician representative of Fire Emblem.
Unless they start making customizable self insert tacticians as playable units with their own story and character a thing from now on, and based on Awakening's popularity that's actually pretty likely.
Pro tip: Only two moves are shared between the move sets, and that's fox and Falco's side and up b moves
Everything else is different between the three
If they had the same move sets they'd all play identically. When in reality good players recognise how different they are
Why would they do that, anyway? Wouldn't it make more sense to give him a normal promotion to use in the main game, and then give him a second special promotion at the end like that?
I honestly think that he just said something like
"Palutena, Pac-man and the mii fighters will be annunced at E3"
He could have said
"Pac-Man, Miis and Paluetna fighters will be announced at E3"
He's just lucky
And Roy is only wanted because of "Muh melee"
As you can see in the thread, most people that have actually played the games he was in don't like him because he's a useless piece of shit
>One very important detail that both the character reveal trailer and Sakurai left out, however, is that you can actually start a match as Lucina with her mask on. In fact, Lucina has a taunt that lets her put on or remove the mask, in a similar fashion to Guile's "sunglasses" taunt in Ultra Street Fighter 4.
Roy is supposed to be weak I guess. In the game they say it a lot that Roy is not the best swordsman and that he can't wield the legendary weapons.
>I didn't put in Chrom because he was boring as fuck and Ike/Marth are more interesting/important
>I put in Robin because I wanted an FE character who could use magic and represent breakable weaponry
>I spent five seconds making Lucina her own character so people wouldn't bitch about either of Awakening's lame MC's who weren't self-inserts not getting a slot
That makes a lotta sense. Sakurai is a smart dude. I'm still maining Ike, but the inclusion of Lucina makes sense now.
Captain Falcon punched Chrom off the roster
Other than being both a requested character and an easy to implement clone that was originally intended as a skin?
>Falco shouldn't be in game because he shares a couple attacks with fox and Starfox doesn't need 3 reps
You imply that he'd be a good addition to the roster but I can think of no real reason to add him.
Why should Sakurai add a character who has size issues (and he's said as much), is from dead franchise, is from an IP that is not old enough to be considered retro yet not new enough to be relevant, and has a very, very small following worldwide? He's fine as an assist trophy but there's no reason he should be playable, and Sakurai understands this.
I think asking for Geno, Skull Kid, and Ashley is ridiculous, but asking for Ray is even more out there to me, right up there with Saki.
This is a joke, right? I know waifufags are gonna like regardless but wow they got lazy. Super fucking lazy
All of the conflicts would have been avoided if Sakurai just replaced Marth with Lucina instead of adding both of them, just thing about it:
>No tears from the autists that complain about "clones"
>This would please the tourneyfags because she would be the same as marth
>Pandering to the waifufags that wanted to play as her
3 birds with one stone, and marth isn't even relevant outside of smash anyways.
Ray 01 would actually have a unique moveset and would really benefit from the custom movesets.
Sakurai has no problem sizing Olimar up, but he thinks that Ray should still be small because he's a toy. Call it silly reasoning, but that's just the way it is. Ray is not making it in.
Considering Sakurai's comments about making characters into costume slots for others, now, what if we get Fox and Wolf, and Falco becomes an alt. 'costume' for the former?
I was completely opposed to the idea of different characters being costumes, but considering Sakurai's latest comments it's almost possible.
>Ray 01 would actually have a unique moveset
So does every newcomer but Lucina. Not exactly a compelling argument.
>and would really benefit from the custom movesets.
We already have Miis and Palutena. Even that aside, there are too many other obstacles to his inclusion.
>people are actually complaining that they gave an alt costume a few unique attributes and a character slot
>they would seriously prefer her as just a costume
How does this make any sense
I'd take a clone with slight diffrences over a fucking alt costume any day.
Sakurai's reasoning makes no fucking sense either way.
>I'll make characters into alt costumes if they play exactly the same.
>But I'll also make Lucina slightly different from Marth.
>So that's why Lucina is her own character.
>Ike uses Two hander swords.
>Marth uses one hand sword.
>Fights the same.
My inner /tg/ is raging right now.
>Strength base fighter > Dex based pussy acrobats.
>Unless they start making customizable self insert tacticians as playable units with their own story and character a thing from now on, and based on Awakening's popularity that's actually pretty likely.
It was a FE12 thing first.
>and marth isn't even relevant outside of smash anyways.
He's the main lord who has appeared in the most number of games and the "face" of the series unless you want to argue Anna.
Why is Skull Kid or Ashley ridiculous
Ashley would only be the second warioware rep, and she's probably the most popular character from the series along with Mona
Skull Kid would be nice. Just cause I think Zelda's big enough now to deserve a 6th rep that was a callback to older games
Right now every character is based on designs from TP or WW
I thought Falco was gonna be an alt of Fox and Wolf was gonna stay a seperate character, but now with the inclusion of Lucina I believe Falco will also be a seperate character
You can say it's unlikely, but don't say he wont be in until he's deconfirmed.
He will always have a chance as long as he's not deconfirmed. He was an assist trophy in the last game, that only puts him close to being in.
Whenever I see this Marth clone I just think of one word.
They had character and a story, it was just very, very bland.
Why don't they have axe or spear characters, like her sister.
>Canon sister and best sister decision.
The mii fighters even have "Brawler" "Sword" and "Gun" types, was having "spear" and "axe" types really that hard? Ike's character is already have way there for axes.
>Two handed sword works like a battle axe.
I said close.
i hope everyone who bitches about this actually follows up and refuses to buy the game
that way they'll get to spend the better part of next year just watching as everyone else has shitloads of fun with the game, while they sit in their basement with sore asses because of ONE new clone
>Why is Skull Kid or Ashley ridiculous
Because people want Skull Kid just because they like Majora's Mask yet they can't even think of a moveset besides a final smash. People only want Ashely because they're lolicons, I very rarely see people wanting her in and actually proposing a decent moveset. Mona would make more sense seeing how she's been around longer.
Pichu was also from one of Nintendo's best selling franchises and didn't have tiny limbs that would be impossible to see on a 3DS.
at least Eliwood gets a horse when he promotes
>ecause people want Skull Kid just because they like Majora's Mask yet they can't even think of a moveset besides a final smash
What? Thinking up a moveset for Skull Kid is incredibly easy
He never said there wouldn't be any clones. Chrom got kicked for Robin, which is a good choice, and Lucina is just a glorified alt costume that took five minutes to make. Get informed before you get mad like a retard.
Also, your game is probably shit.
I just hope there would be more diversity in trophies for FE. Having only Path of Radiance and just one lyn trophy because of the assist trophy model was such a disappointment
cross generational incest?
They obviously ride in the carts. Ether that or they ride the horses, and when combat starts they unmount because they don't have the right feats and would be massive penalties.
>By that logic each character should have clones in the roster instead of alt costumes.
Uh, no? Lucina was altered slightly from Marth. Lucas was a slight alter from Ness. If DK had a slight alter of himself, Sakurai would most likely put it as its own character from his own explanation. But he does not; he's got costumes.
What's not to understand about that?
Lucina and Chrom as a FS took maybe a tenth of the effort that a fully playable Chrom. And yeah, he's not unique enough. I'm glad the new FE rep that isn't a clone is Robin, that's far more interesting than what we usually get.
>People just want Skull Kid in because they like Majoras Mask
People want skull kid in because he's a well likes character
Same for Ashley. Try to spin it any way you want people want them because they want them in, not because of the reasons you imply
And we don't make the movesets, Sakurai does
>Hurr how would rosalina fight
>Hurr how would villager fight
>Hurr how would wft fight
It's fucking easy
Skull kid has flight powers
Chuck in some dark magic bullshit and a floaty style like mewtwo, maybe a move where he can stun people by turning you into a scrub for a couple seconds
Final smash he brings down the moon
Ashley's a witch
Let her fight with that little Red Devil dude
Couple magic spells, throws potions at people, easy
They're really running out of ideas. This is pathetic
How the fuck would this prove him right? He's still not playable. And now they have three seperate characters that he failed to guess. And once again, "an x/y pokemon" is hardly even worth counting.
You are aware that melee had six or so clones instead of ONE new character, right?
Clones don't take slots. At least not on a 1:1 ratio. They're practically bonuses, and I honestly wish there were more.
>There are people who seriously believe cutting one clone does make enough time to create a non clone newcomer
I don't hate Sakurai. He's just a pretentious idiot with shit logic and has shit taste in characters.
>cut Chrom from the roster because he lacks any unique characteristics.
I don't even like Chrom and this is complete bullshit? Lucina is unique? How the hell is she unique? She is a cardboard cut out of an female Marth. They would have all been shit. Ike is the only decent FE rep.
>and has shit taste in characters.
Okay, who do did YOU want added, then?
You know I actually like the idea of every character "having a clone" of themselves, or basically being able to slightly alter any of the characters.
Make a stronger hit Mario, but trade up speed or health. = Dr. Mario
Make a stronger Ganondorf but give up power. = Captain Falcon
I wouldn't even need them to be alternate characters, maybe just have the ability to change them on selection.
I love the new alternate move idea, but I know tournament play will end up having everyone pick the "right moves".
>I decided not to put Chrom because he is a lot similar to marth
>Lucina Looks similar to marth but i put her anyway
Just say it Sakurai. You put her because she has tits.
If he wanted a female Fire Emblem most unique character he could put Lynn or one of the current non-Lord characters.
And besides, we already have Robin, Wich is already unique, And Ike, and Marth. Lucina has no purpose at all in the game if she will play "slightly different" to marth. Ike already plays "slightly different" by being slower and stronger.
The dev team for smash decided who they wanted before they even made mario in the new game They planned out the characters and their movesets and then started on them. Chrom was never going to be a character from day one. Gematsu is wrong and fake. Accept it.
>I'm really getting sick of sakurai's "uuuuuhhh no characters as alts" bullshit.
Technically his position is now "no characters as alts if I randomly decide that giving them minimally different characteristics is worth making them separate".
Are you too goddamn retarded to read? Lucina was gonna be in anyway as Marth's costume.
The character that got in in favor of Chrom was Robin. It was either gonna be Chrom and Lucina or Robin and Lucina.
How do you not get that?
This puts another hole Gematsu leak. It sounds like Chrom was considered and cut early on so even if the leak was outdated - he shouldn't have been listed on there. With Lucina originally a Marth Alt and declared as "lucky" to get in means that she wasn't even planned originally.
It was always Robin vs Chrom and Robin won.
I think the gist of what he's saying is, chrom didn't have anything to offer as a full new character so they cut him in favour of the more interesting Robin.
Lucina was being developed as a Marth alt costume, due to her intentional similarity to him in awakening, but then it was decided that they'd just put her in a different slot and she'd get some unique properties but she still wouldn't take up much extra development time.
Jesus Christ people. The logic is simple.
He didn't put Chrom in because he's another blue-haired FE swordsman and he preferred Robin.
He DID put Lucina in because she was so similar to marth that it would take practically no work at all to implement.
He's a lazy fuck but you can't say he's not thinking.
Now will the autists on /v/ please go home?
Daily reminder than my waifu took the spot of your most wanted newcomer for smash and there's NOTHING you can do about it.
There's no concert evidence Chrom was ever legit considered
Sakurai could just be answering everyone because everyone thought Chrom was gonna be in because of the faggot "leaker" stirring shit up
I really wonder if Nintendo will eventually get wise to the SRPG franchise and make an SSB SRPG. Preferrably almost exactly like Disgaea, par grindan.
>Every character gets three special skills, two passive abilities, and can use multiple weapon classes
>Potential for dozens to hundreds of good guys and bad guys without the need for intensive art assets
>Set up your teams for various engagements
>3DS Spotpass auto-fights between your two parties
>Amiibo support will learn how you fight and will try to focus your team around that style of play
>Sprite-based unlockables throughout
Or maybe the leak isn't real at all and was just lucky guesses.
Chorus Kid and Shulk will still be in but that has nothing to do with Gematsu
I don't really care about Lucina or Chrom, I wouldn't have lost any sleep if neither of them had made it in. I just don't understand the logic of "X character was too similar to Y character, so we added Z character whose just a gender-bent version of Y character."
>Some assdemolished samefag keeps posting things about BORING in this thread like it's going to make Lucy go away
God you're pathetic.
Micaiah is pretty awesome. I would have liked her more than Robin
Or you can just do a great movelist with support characters like in the game itself:
>Neutral B: Robin cast a thunder spell (charge)
>Up B: You climb on the back of Sumia's pegasus
>Forward B: Frederick rush with his horse and lance
>Down B: Olivia dancing behind you allowing you to be faster for a short period of time
A true Lord.
What's the point of complaining about her being in when she was getting in the game regardless of getting a slot or not. Nothing was loss in her addition. No character was cut because of her nor was any time really loss.
Not really defending him here but shitloads of people thought Chrom was playable after watching the trailer and Nintendo even had to clarify that he isn't. If he just saw a screenshot of that part, it would be very easy to assume Chrom is playable.
because you're a stupid fuck. If you actually bothered to read, Sakurai was explaining why ROBIN got in over Chrom. Lucina is just a bonus because she was supposed to be an alt costume of Marth, but instead he tweaker her a little and gave her her own slot
It would be neat to get alternative costumes.
It's a different thing though. Chrom was another blue-haired sword lord that they couldn't think of a unique moveset for so they developed Robin instead.
Then the Lucina alt costume that they were working on for Marth got separately worked into its own thing, but as a clone character that takes much less development time
>"an x/y pokemon" is hardly even worth counting.
Actually it is, because Sakurai himself said at e3 2014 this was the name of Greninja's spot before Pokemon X/Y came out and that they decided on him based on concept art because they thought he looked cool, meaning Sakurai himself confirmed the leak, as if Wii Fit Trainer wasn't enough proof.
We already explained why you can't have shitloads of character models being loaded on the fly as a fighting game moveset in another thread. Remember how long it took to switch between Zelda and Sheik in Brawl?
He never predicted Rosalina and was inaccurate about Lil Mac's reveal. He also said that Shulk would be revealed on Monday.
This dude has supposedly inside information - that doesn't equal to glances at screenshots. Considering that he got the names of Wii Fit Trainer and Mii Fighters correct.
You do know those modes are back? They were shown in the Smash bros direct with a fuckton of other modes, one of which looks like adventure mode without the cutscenes and multiple-path taking.
Making Morgan marrying her uncle is just so weird but so fucking hilarious.
>He never predicted Rosalina
Rosalina was shown before he showed his second leak.
>and was inaccurate about Lil Mac's reveal
What? He predicted Little Mac.
Dude the guy predicted Wii Fit Trainer, the absolute un-guessable pick because that character didn't even have a name nor did ANYONE EVER even think of her.
>All those people who can't read mad because they can only think with "MUH SLOTS" in mind
Lucina didn't steal a slot, she wasn't going to get in anyway. She was going to be a costume, then it was decided that they might aswell make her her own character and change some numbers since the model and everything was already done.
Stop thinking that there was an X number of characters that Sakurai worked toward to, and Lucina was picked as one of those.
What happened is that they picked the characters, making a roster with X characters, and then Lucina was added.
She's a +1, a bonus, a "just throw it in" character. She didn't take much work time. It's a freebie, it's not worth getting mad about it, she's not why Waluigi or Isaac aren't playable.
Brawl was run on a shitty gamecube with motion controls, which is why transformations like bowser-giga and wario-warioman took longer
The PMBR made Project M max out allocated ram when being run, so transforms take less time. If characters are all loaded (having a shiek and a zelda on stage already) the transforms are instant, which brawl would never do.
The Wii U might not be selling as well, but it's not the potato the Wii was
Uh, she was confirmed in December. If you're talking about why the leaker didn't mention her it's because she was shown before his second leak so why bother mentioning her?
Sakurai just told you he changed his mind regarding Chrom in the midst of development.
Nothing confirmed yet.
Really, you people are going to pretend him predicting Wii Fit Trainer wasn't enough proof already? Why do you people have such a black and white mentality?
>Lucina gets in
>Sakurai literally admits she's an extra character added because she wouldn't work as an alt
>Has a neat taunt that changes the model slightly, very creative
>Would appeal to Awakening fans, tourneyfags pissed about Marth's nerfs, and players who want an FE grill
>Smash players boycotting the game just because of Lucina
How autistic can you dipshits be? One "wasted slot" for a character you don't like doesn't make it an immediately bad game.
Watch Ridley get revealed and you autists make a 180 into "GOTYAY BASED SAMURAI".
He threw in wild cards so then people would expect crazy characters, he probably guessed the other ones so then everyone would be thinking "omg wii fit trainer is gonna be revealed" just like how he through in chorus kids because then everyone was like "omg chorus kids are gonna be so cool" His wild card was lucky and every other one was an easy guess
he said chrom was in and he's not, and that's not something you change midway the roster is pretty much set in stone early on
Also mii fighter is pretty generic, he didn't mention mii gunner or mii swordsman or whatever the hell it is.
gematsu is finishedu
Dipshits, Lucina was supposed to be an alt costume in the first place, absolutely nothing is lost simply because she gets a slot because nigh-zero effort was made, just like an alt costume.
>One "wasted slot" for a character you don't like doesn't make it an immediately bad game.
But there is more than one weak addition. In fact, practically everyone who isn't Robin, Villager, Mega Man, or Little Mac.
>He threw in wild cards
Dude, WFT didn't even have a name, and he guessed all of them right sans Chrom.
>and that's not something you change midway the roster is pretty much set in stone early on
Because you say so? Sakurai just said that Chrom was considered at first.
>Also mii fighter is pretty generic
Why not just say ''Mii''? You're really grasping at straws.
Just stop, you very well know it was impossible to guess WFT, a thing that wasn't even a character but rather a fucking mannequin sillhouette in a fitness game that you're supposed to imitate and had no name or anything, nobody ever even suggested her before the leaker.
>Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn’t easy by any means.”
Also Lucina started out as an alternate costume and ended up taking her own slot.
Yeah, less detailed models that perform a pre-canned animation and don't need as complex skeletons as the fighters.
And you can easily mask loading times for final smashes with the animation. It starts loading when Robin does his pose and calls for Chrom, then a lot of sparks fly around THEN he appears. Mega Man turns the whole background black with the black hole bomb and then loads the other characters in pairs.
I would really like for Robin to be like Villager, where every color was a different robin, but i doubt that would happen since Robin is alot more detailed than Villager.
If they did put it in, all of them would probably stay the default height with just different hair/accessories.
No. Chrom was cut before Robin's moveset was even made. This quote implies it.
>At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.
Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series.
The leaker said monday morning that Shulk would be the reveal.
Lil Mac and Pac-Man was in his first leak. He had plenty of time to mentioned Rosalina especially if he knew that Rosalina's reveal date.
He said that Lil Mac would be shown at E3.
>female version of the male face of the series
>bland, no personality girl with a sword
>obsessive waifu fans
Is Lucina the Lightning of Nintendo?
>But there is more than one weak addition.
So it's a bad game, amirtie?
Play the vets you like, you got a good 25 to choose from right now.
>In fact, practically everyone who isn't Robin, Villager, Mega Man, or Little Mac.
And there you go, 4 characters you like, you got 29/36 to choose from, give or take the vets you don't care about.
I'll bite the bait
and it doesn't matter his list was proven wrong
even if you claim "sakurai changed it last minute" or some bull shit like that then his list is unreliable anyways because sakurai can just change who's in smash then, if he took out chrom what's to stop him from taking out shulk and everyone else that was on that list? An unreliable leak is worth shit
because you don't waste time and resources building a character all the way up and then going "nah even though everything is done let's scrap it" also read above
Notice how he says nothing about "midst development". He considered Chrom naturally because he was the protagonist of Awakening. But he decided against him because he was too boring. That's it. He wasn't cut from the game mid devlopment, he was never gonna be a character in the first place
Okay, I'm gonna lay this out. Fucking screencap it because I'm tired of fucking saying it.
he fucking MISSED Rosalina. Any leaker worth his fucking salt, especially on SMASH BROS fucking knows who she is.
>B-but he thought she was a peach skin!
No he didn't, he never said that. but i can see, you're gonna use that as fact. All right, I'll hold you to it then: his leak consisted of seeing PICTURES.
>Pokemon from xy
not this shit. Hey, you know smash bros is coming around, they will probably bring in a pokemon from x and y. DO I GET LEGIONS OF FOLLOWERS NOW?!
It was a kindergarden guess that anyone with a brain knew would happen. He would have credit if he had said the name or even just "fog/ninja frog", but he didn't.
>B-but Sakurai said he picked the pokemon before it had a name!
yeah, SAKURAI did, the LEAKER revealed it 6 months AFTER THE GLOBAL LAUNCH OF XY.
>B-but the leaker saw a listing of the names!
INCORRECT, you argued earlier that he "botched" rosalina because he thought she was a peach skin, and yet here, you're saying he had a page WITH ALL THE FUCKING NAMES.
You're backpedalling into deep shit.
Aside fro mthe fact your fucking "leaker" claimed 100% that it would be SHULK revealed, NOT Chrom, Chrom was not only confirmed to NOT be playable, but Robin AND Lucina were.
3 fucking bigass failures. ANYONE who still believes this shit wasn't just guessing is a fucking faggot who gargles cocks.
>Is Lucina the Lightning of Nintendo?
No because Awakening doesn't have a sequel about her yet and even if it did it wouldn't be something new for the FE series in general. In supplementary materials, you could make that case.
>So it's a bad game, amirtie?
No. But the weak newcomers are kind of a turn off. The gameplay has been improved from Brawl but still, half the reason to play SSB, or any crossover game, are the characters.
>Play the vets you like, you got a good 25 to choose from right now.
My main has been cut.
>And there you go, 4 characters you like
I never said I liked them, just that they weren't weak additions and I'm not going to complain about them,
>Chrom was cut before Robin's moveset was even made
He said that he considered Chrom, as well as Lucina being an alternate costume, meaning that the ''roster'' at that point was not the one we see today, same with Greninja's spot being ''pokemon from X/Y'' like Sakurai said at E3 (and conveniently what the leaker had said).
>He had plenty of time to mentioned Rosalina especially if he knew that Rosalina's reveal date.
Why? He had two different leaks, why are you acting like he needed to have revealed everything at first?
Come on dude, none of your petty reasonings are gonna deny Wii fucking Fit Trainer, you can't guess that no matter what.
>I'll bite the bait
How the fuck is that bait at all?
It is impossible because SHE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A NAME.
> or some bull shit like that then his list is unreliable anyways because sakurai can just change who's in smash then
We're not talking about that, we're talking about the fact that the leak was legit, that's all.
>because you don't waste time and resources building a character all the way up and then going
Why are you acting like a roster can only be changed when a character development is that advanced? Why not early on?
>>bland, no personality girl with a sword
But she does have a personality, she's obsessed with her dad and is willing to kill Robin just to protect him because she saw Robin kill Chrom in the future.
>Smash Bros creator Masahiro Sakurai says that he cut Chrom from the roster
NO HE DIDN'T.
>I played all the way through FE:A and really wanted to include a character from that rich cast in Smash Bros. Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn't easy by any means.
At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.
How do you know he wasn't part of the roster till he was cut? ''Considering'' can mean a lot, like a pre-roster, you know, how Sakurai said that Greninja's slot was actually ''Pokemon from X/Y'' at first? Meaning the initial roster was not the final one but a draft, and it just so happens that the leaker said ''Pokemon from X/Y'', meaning that what he got was said draft.
>The gameplay has been improved from Brawl but still, half the reason to play SSB, or any crossover game, are the characters.
So just play it for the gameplay.
Make new favorites.
How many people you think went "LITERALLY WHO" over Captain Falcon back in 64? Now look at him, he's one of Smash's most popular dudes, similar case with Ice Climbers and G&W, though not as big as Falcon.
>Is Lucina the Lightning of Nintendo?
Why are Nintendo fans so autistic with this shit? This is why I'm embarrassed to like Nintendo. Its fans create and push retarded shitposting like this.
Stop claiming that Sakurai said that he was cut mid development is my point your retard. You're no different than the guys who went all "hurr hurr Sakurai said he won't make other characters alt costumes of characters"
>Fire Emblem Awakening
What is Sakurai thinking.
He thought about Chrom. Did you even read the quote I posted? He said that he thought about Chrom and then about Robin and realized that Robin had better moveset potential and was overall better FE representation. This implies that Chrom was never put on the roster in the first place.
The leaker should've put 'Character from FE:A' but instead he listed Chrom.
He listed Lil Mac and Pac-Man early on - considering that Pac-Man didn't get reveal until this past E3. He had enough time to mention Rosalina or even update his information by switching Chrom with Robin when he emailed his second leak.
What matters is that information that he stated and backed was incorrect. Period.
If anyone here actually played awakening, you'll find out that what Sakurai says is actually true. Chrom lacks any sort of interesting anything about him as a Lord character. He was as generic and dull as they come.
>Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that's not how I produce games.
>but Lucina and Toon Link are still in
Fuck sake Sakurai.
No, he's probably not. That thread yesterday about "Lightnings" was filled with people bitching about Rosalina. It was coined BECAUSE of Rosalina and tons of people use it unironically. You fags probably know jack shit about FF13 anyways and just used her because "hurr, she's a female character /v/ doesn't like, right?"
No, Lightning is infamous for being her creator's waifu and showing up in all sorts of Final Fantasy games all of a sudden and getting a game all about herself that ends with her coming to Earth so Toriyama can delude himself into thinking she is waiting for him out there while he humps his Lightning pillow.
>No response so you just shitpost
The characters I can see the appeal of, but they're by no means rich. They're incredibly shallow.
>So just play it for the gameplay.
The gameplay is better, but you also have to consider in a crossover game that the characters are important. I just don't want to play it when half of the appeal is gone, and if I really cared that much about gameplay I'd still be playing Melee.
And you're assuming something that isn't the case, the problems I have with the roster have nothing to do with a character being unfamiliar.
It's not even a fucking word, people just don't like Rosalina and are trying to give it some kind of term.
There was someone in that thread yesterday saying it was justifiable Lucina and Palutena was in the game but not Rosalina, are you fucking kidding me? Do you not see how hypocritical that is?
If the leaker only had access to an early roster list, then he could not have been so up date as to know Shulk would be revealed on the 14th. If he did, he would have corrected his Chrom mistake.
It's bait because you ignore my arguments and facts and restate things
>hurr durr game from wii fit and she's a personal trainer what could her name be
and the fact that you're making up bull shit in the first part of your post makes me think that she did have a name in the first place anyways
What the hell do you mean we aren't talking about that? you argued that he got chrom wrong because it was changed through development, assuming that's you're retarded
and wronglast bastion of defense then ANY character that was put on the list has the potential to be swapped out making his leak useless
and if he has such a reliable leak then why couldn't he have informed him it was updated and changed? oh because he was someone who made educated guesses and got one really lucky guess
and chrom was never even considered, and again since his information is so ancient how do we know everyone else on his list wasn't scrapped?
it's dead his leaks hold no weight anymore he just got some lucky guesses, I believed the leak up until the video but you're a brain dead retard if you believe it now
She was the protagonist of two games and showed up in FF spinoffs that every FF character shows up in.
A Lightning is a female character you don't like being put in to a fighting game. It would be a lot easier if people just admitted that instead of calling everything a "Lightning"
So let's get a list of all the things Gematsu got wrong
>called Villager "Animal Crossing Guy"
>said Little Mac, Mii, and Pacman would be revealed at 2013 E3
>called Greninja "Pokemon XY"
>called Mii Fighters "Miis" until just before E3 2014 conveniently when the press kit was leaked
>claimed there was debate about Lucas or Ness being cut 3months before the game would be released even though later that same day Sakurai said that the roster is set in stone and decided upon before major development begins
>claimed Shulk would be revealed on July 14th
>not only was Shulk not revealed but Chrom was outright deconfirmed
>didn't predict Robin or Lucina
And now let's look at the not so obvious things he got right
>predicted Wii Fit Trainer being playable and her name (funnily enough failed to mention that you could choose the gender of her and the Villager)
And yet Gematsu cultists will still defend this and claim it's the word of God
Easy. He didn't read a magic document that details everything Sakurai wants to do with the game. He got the roster information from one source and the Monday reveal from another, which turned out wrong.
>I dont even like fire emblem. I just think the character looks cool. I play as Ike so I would like for him to have Chrom as an alt.
Average chromfag ladies and gentlemen.
>She was the protagonist of two games and showed up in FF spinoffs that every FF character shows up in.
She got her own entire quest line in FF14 that rewards you with her or Snow's outfit. She even says "these monsters are nothing like what I've fought in my homeworld".
I do, it's just the definition people have for "Lightning" doesn't actually fit Lightning.
This is the third time now someone bitched about a "Lightning" getting in to a game. Obviously a Lightning is just a female character you don't like getting in to a fighting game. That doesn't even fight Lightning, she's in Dissidia but everyone is in that.
Who cares if she's a clone or not. Why would you play anybody other than American Mario?
The discussion was between Robin and Chrom, Lucina was not part of it. Lucina likely could have always been in the game, just as an alternate costume for Marth. Sakurai instead decided to tweak her a tiny bit and give her own picture on the character select screen, that's fucking it. Between Robin and Chrom Robin stands out more compared to Ike and Marth then Chrom does.
Would you rather have
>Light guy with a sword
>Middleweight guy with a sword
>Heavy guy with a sword
Or the Light and Heavy guy and a caster?
Except again the x/y character was built around Lucario's inclusion in Brawl.
Pikachu since mascot
Lucario due to movie/that gens mascot
Oh its going to be some x/y character.
This is brawl all over again. Brawl's guy admitted to being lucky. Notice how gematsu is very vague on confirmations. That be like saying that an uprising character will make it in. That now leaves the door open to anyone outside of pit.
yeah no mention of gender even. Throw in Kellam and he is still right.
I'd say lucky but a given since namco has a hand in this.
Chorus men is based around some stupid video showing a stage that was already revealed in gameplay trailers(and an NES based one so it is very easy to fake). Going back to Palutena's leak, the images were fake but again was a lucky shot.
>Implying he's not just too ashamed to admit that he has a waifu
You're arguing like a creationist.
>How can fish come on land, they'd just suffocate!
>Well that is true, but maybe a species of fish living in shallow muddy waters evolved a way to breathe air as well as water and gradually got less dependant on....
>That's a completely unfounded claim with nothing to back it up.
How about you stop throwing around ad hominem for 5 minutes? Just because I don't play fire emblem doesn't mean I don't play nintendo games. Lucina should have been to marth as Sakura is to Ryu. She's entirely too similar gameplay wise.
>and literally who
If you know who Chrom is then how the fuck do you not know who the Tactician of the exact same game Chrom is from is?
Why does this matter? Do you seriously prefer a less interesting character you recognize over a more interesting character you don't?
If Link and Lucinia fucked, would it count as yuri?
If you were posting your roster prediction you heard from some random email chucklefuck in a gamefaqs thread, would you say "Villager" or "that guy from Animal Crossing"? No one would know what you mean if you said the first one.
No you are, you fucking tard.
Occam's razor you ignorant prick. You're supposed to favour the simpler answer, which is that he made it up. You're MAKING UP a story so that the Gematsu leaker can be true. There's NOTHING that could falsify the claim for you, because you'd just make up a story for it to fit. Just like creationism.
The burden of proof is on the LEAKER to get things RIGHT, it's not on everyone ELSE to prove him WRONG.
I don't see him with Aether when he promotes or caps in all stats being 40+ range (Except magic but you're retarded if you're using a levin sword with lucina).
Roy's promotion is utter horseshit in comparison.
Higher stats, extra weapon type, procable skills. Roy a shit. His only talent is attracting women who are better than him to do all the fighting.
Stop acting like Lucario's some special Pokemon that they just shoved down our throats. They tried to replace him with Zoroark, people complained, so they brought Lucario back. His popularity isn't artificial
He should have honestly just kicked Marth and replaced him with Lucina or Chrom. If Chrom's a bland character, then Marth's a fucking cardboard cutout. I can understand them keeping Ike, since he's a likable character and the way he played in Brawl was so fun, but the only parodies and fan content that you ever see about Marth poke fun at the fact that he looks like a fag. Hardly anyone even remembers that he was in a video game franchise besides Smash Brothers.
We were gount to get either
>Marth, Ike, Robin, Chrom and Lucina as Marth's alt
>Marth, Ike, Chrom and Lucina as Marth's alt
But we got Marth, Ike, Robin and modified Lucina because Chrom is boring as fuck. Don't see the problem.
I'm sorry, who crafted a completely new scenario from thin air, and who used the known information to come to a logical conclusion? Take a step back really think about it. The evidence is currently stacked against the leaker, the same way it's stacked in favor of, eh I don't know, evolution?
Is it actually written anywhere that there's a limited number of spots for characters? I'm not 100% sure what the fuss is all about. I guess the idea of resources being put into a clone is wasteful to some people but other than that isn't it just another character for fans of the game?
Why does that matter?
Link is a character you can name, you don't have any choice of what he actually does but he's still supposed to be the "Link" to the player. He's also anime styled just like Robin from Fire Emblem.
Yup, Link shouldn't be in this game at all. He's way too much like a Mii.