LOL

>>253582010
Olnly autists lost money.
What is TUG?
I need to know if a good game has now got a cancerous new fanbase.

Meanwhile
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1892480689/insomnia-an-rpg-set-in-a-brutal-dieselpunk-univers

Please /v/, I ant them to reach that 130k goal. That has amazing possibilities.

>>253582010
Anyone have the list of KS games that made it and were good?

>>253582335
pls go.

>>253582010
How is this not illegal? It's blatant theft.

>>253582698
>Donate money
>Project falls through
>Get reimbursed through free game
Theft would be you not getting anything in return.

>>253582698
Part of the deal of kick starter is that they owe you nothing.

>>253582010
>People are surprised at this

This is what happens when you let an ideas guy make a game.

>>253582872
Putting lines like this in a EULA does not overwrite existing laws.

I promise you, in the near future kickstarter will get taken to court and they will get ruled that when people give them money as backers of a product, it is required that said product is delivered or money refunded.

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/winterkewlgames/yogventures

>Those people that donated $10,000 for this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-QYqet8Sok

>>253582010
they were never gonna make the game. They exploited Kickstart and just took off with the money. Yeah, I'm sure giving steam keys for a shit game is really gonna put a dent on your new 500k bank account.

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>>253583124
>back 10k
>get a 5 dollar steam game
t-t-thanks

>>253583091
There is no existing law against this. Investing money is not a guarantee of return on investment.

>>253583124
>Five people gave 10K

Fucking Saudi oil barons.

>>253583091
It's clearly an investment. You take a risk by backing projects and sometimes you lose. Anyone who is upset or surprised that a project failed is a moron.

>>253583091
I promise you that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

>>253583230
Money is paid in expectation of a certain product. That product was never delivered.

If 5 people could afford to give 10k to yogscast for this, they can probably afford some high powered lawyers.

People who back Kickstarters are surely the same people who respond to those Nigerian Prince emails.

>>253583091
You're not buying a product, you're investing in it. There is a MASSIVE difference.

>>253583091
It's an investment. If you buy stock in a company and it goes bankrupt they don't owe you anything. This is like buying stock without actually getting anything.

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>>253582010
"We're truly honored to have the opportunity to bring the Yogscast to life in a game of our own making, and we relish the chance to be able to give back to our fans and community whom we love. We'll do everything we can to make the kind of game that will make YOU proud and look forward to sharing the fun in the future! "

top kek

>>253583295
So it is entirely legal for me to make a project on kickstarter with zero intention of ever delivering? Basically a scam?

>>253583364
You have no clue what you are talking about.

>>253583425
>>253583398
It isn't an investment, and the courts will decide that. You're a fool if you think no case will come of this.

>>253583451
A law does not need to exist for a lawsuit to be filed.

>>253583443

Thats why kickstarter needs to fucking die.

>>253583443
sure, if you have no problem with your credibility being permanently ruined there is absolutely nothing stopping you

kickstarter is not a pre-order platform

>>253583425
Bankruptcy protects you from such things. Yogscast did not go bankrupt, neither did the company developing the game. They simply cancelled it for no reason.

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>>253583570
Clearly quite a few lawyers have no issue with that. Have you heard of the mcdonalds hot coffee case?


She won

>>253583364
Only if you're buying a product. This is not buying a product. You are funding development of a product. There is a very clear legal distinction.

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>>253582010
>"As you may have heard, Winterkewl Games has stopped work on Yogventures - but this is actually a good thing"
>"actually a good thing"
>"a good thing"

Holy shit these goddamn jews...

What the fuck is this Yogscast shit anyway? I see the name "Yog" fucking everywhere in a ton of indieshit games now.

>>253583643
shit son that is some expensive patato salad

Could be worse, it could have been successfully made only for the copies belonging to the biggest backers to be held ransom for more money and burned on camera.

>>253583669
I'm not sure where you are going with this.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

>>253583705
Looks like EA shit
'The game sold poorly and fans hated it, but it's a good thing because it's progressive and innovative!'

>>253582698
Because they're donations not pre-orders.
Welcome to crowd"funding".

>>253583705

A youtube group that panders to autistic children with minecraft roleplaying videos or someshit.

>>253583509
>It isn't an investment

Correct. It's not even an investment. It's a donation.Backers have no leg to stand on.

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>>253583230
>>253583295
>>253583398
>>253583425
>Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?
>Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill

from their own faq, this is no 'investment'
you could at least try to do some research

>>253582808
So if I break in somwhere and take someone's money and a tharja figurine, it's ok as long as I shit on his floor?

>>253583879
The part they've forgot to mention is that Kickstarter's terms have no legal grounds and they're about as legal as a slavery contract.

>>253583879
Read further. The terms of use have no penalty and no legal punishment for failing to uphold the rules. The most that can happen is they're blocked from future Kickstarters. There is no other legal action to be taken.

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>>253582335
>funding "possibilities"

Last time I did that I bought a shita

>>253583705
>The group was founded in July 2008 by Simon Lane and Lewis Brindley. The name "The Yogscast" was derived from the title letters of a previous World of Warcraft guild named "Ye Olde Goone Squade".[10] "Goons" are members of the Something Awful forums where the guild was originally formed and which most of the Yogscast members are part of. Videos posted on behalf of the guild were referred to as "YOGScasts", with the term "Yogscast" eventually coming to refer specifically to those posted by videographer Brindley

I was going to presume something else entirely, but it turns out the lyrics are "You're a YOB or you're a wanker".

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>Mfw these fucks got a character of their in Sonic All-star Racing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-jTw9NZUeU

>"The project was proving too ambitious and difficult for them to complete with their six-man team"

>Budget of half a million dollars

Couldn't these dumbfucks, just hire more people.

>>253583926
If you gave a dude money and a tharja figurine in exchange for "something" and he gave you shit, then the contract has been completed. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the logic they're going on.

>>253583295
No, it's NOT an investment. It's a donation. And that's exactly why they can fuck off with all the suckers' money.

>>253584103
That's not a strawman though, it's true. Just because you give something in return doens't mean that it isn't theft.

>>253583443
Yes. In fact there have already been a couple. /v/ complains a lot about Sarkeesian, but at least she delivered and is delivering something that was part of the promise.

I remember one case where a woman who started saying she was receiving visions from the sun or something and just ran with the money, and some MRA with some kind of project or whatever who was never heard from again.

>>253584146
Couldn't they just release the game as it is? How much did they promise?

>>253582808
Yes, ONE free game when they got twice of the money they asked for. I bet you that some people even gave them several hundreds of dollars and still only got one game.

>>253584146
This is why you don't let autists make videogames. On paper it's the best game ever with infinite "possibilities" (autists favorite buzzword)
Then when it's time to actually make the game they don't know where to start

>>253583669
She won because the coffee was hot enough to sear flesh and muscle from her bones and put her in the hospital. Not because she got a little lip burn.

>>253584146
nah man, they were too busy lining their pockets with phat stacks of cash. The lead developer even ended up putting $25,000 of his own money. There is no denying it, they straight up robbed people.

Too many morons with more money than sense

>>253584146
1. They never got the full $500K. Lots of people pledged but a pledge is not the same as actually paying. They got less than half that.
2. Then Kickstarter took 1/3rd as their cut.
3. The studio didn't know what they were doing

>>253584306
The backers aren't entitled to anything. It's an investment, and with any investment there's risk.

>>253583669
Oh hey, another moron bringing that case up without knowing anything about it.

>>253582532

FTL
Tex Murphy Tesla Effect
Divinity : Original Sin
Broken Age
Probably some more
Those games were well received.

>>253583996
Yeah. The worst that could happen is that the Kickstarter staff bans them from hosting any further projects on their website.

Things like these are all new and unregulated you know.

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>>253582010
>People got scammed
>BUT THIS IS GOOD THING GAIZ

What the fuck is wrong with those Yogcast faggots, for fucks sake..

>>253583140
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWH5LRHiqI

>>253584415
Kickstart doesn't take that high of a cut. They only take 5%.

>>253583124
I wonder if they only got the steam game for that.

I should have donated.
>give $1
>Get steam game worth more

>>253584526
Read their TOS again. They get 30%.

>>253583669
That's negligence, not breach of contract.

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>>253583124

>>253582532
I thought Banana Saga was good

>will try to make this right

Why even say that? If they wanted to do that just give refunds, so why outright lie?

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>>253584075
>getting scammed by goons
>being surprised

>>253583643
this guy made enough potato salad for 6175 people +10,000 more
he said anyone that doesnt want extras will be allowed to send it to africa for kids

pretty cool kickstarter

>>253584075
>Something Awful

Lel. Looks like the leftard conspiracy to rob autistic manchildren continues. I wouldn't be surprised if they're connected with Sarkeesian and are now laughing together at their hopelessly braindead "fanbase".

>>253584057
They have a demo.
That's good enough for me to trust the game wont just become vaporware.

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>>253583996
>>253583987
thats why most call them 'donations', not investments

>>253584565
nope

https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics

What are the fees?

If a project is successfully funded, Kickstarter applies a 5% fee to the funds collected.

For US-based projects, pledges will be processed by Amazon Payments, while pledges to non-US projects will be processed securely through a third-party payments processor. In either case, these payment processing fees work out to roughly 3-5%.

Which game get they free?

>>253583124
if your donating that much money, it stands to reason you will never miss 10k

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This is why everyone should exploit KS to rob each other for their money.

>>253584075
noice tism reference mate

>>253584867
this

http://store.steampowered.com/app/277930/

>another early access minecraft like piece of shit that will never be good

atleast they gave them a product similar to their own planned one.

The simpliest solution for this is to make legally Kickstarter the receiver of the donations and then have Kickstarter fund the project.
This way you avoid all the legal issues that could arise by having multipel investors, and still have the devs be responsable for their projects by binding them with a real contract to Kickstarter.
If they don't deliver, all of the material bought with the funds is re-sold, the devs have no legal obligations of returning the whole amount as long as they didn't spend them on whores or shit, and what's left after covering debts and expenses is returned to the donators.

>>253582808
>project falls through
>implying they ever tried
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game
This doesn't bode well either :^D

>>253582335
>dieselpunk

Fuck off, nigger. I hate these hipster settings and hipster terms. Go put a ring through your dick and fuck your obese cybergoth gf, retard.

>>253584881

Then maybe they should give me 10k to wipe my ass every day.

This is why I have never supported kickstarter, you give them 10 times the amount they were asking for and they have the cheek to turn around as say "oh we need more money" or just cancel shit like this. G fucking G.

>>253583705
They were a few guys that ran a WoW guild on somethingawful that expanded into youtube videos and podcasts. All they're known for now is the Shadow of Israphel Minecraft videos.

>>253584964
haha, it's early access as well

>>253584885
i'd fund that otter, it the reward was a wittle otta hug

>>253582010
I hope one of the funders donated a shit ton of money and has now lost all hope in video games.

This might have been a truly great thing if all those people actually learned something.

>yogscast tards fail to deliver
Obviously a kickstarter fault and not yogscast and their retarded fanbase.

>>253584465
>Broken age
>Good
You missed:
Shovel knight
Conquistador

>>253584964
>Hey, sorry we didn't make the game for half a million bucks.

>Here, play this this shitty unfinished game, on the house. We'll foot the heavy 10 dollar bill.

>tfw barkley 2 made it
>tfw shaq-fu 2 made it
too bad there hasnt been any news on either in months

>>253584976

That's a point & click game, nothing complicated

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1477083354/14-yr-old-wants-to-make-his-1st-game-a-first-perso

What free money ideas would you guys come up with?

>>253582335
>brutal-dieselpunk
that sounds gay as fuck

>tfw some guy already made an ironic one for potato salad
>tfw I missed my chance at milking autists and people wasting money to be ironic
>I missed my chance with goat sim too
>last time I checked GS was still a best seller

>>253585161
Broken Age is really good though. Too easy, but it's good.

>>253582010
>"Guys we're sorry you dropped hundreds on our game."
>"Have another game we didn't make instead."
>"If it's any consolation, the Jaffa cakes we bought were great."
Yogscast is done.
YouTube gaming celebrities are on a slow spiral to death.

>>253584142
Good think no one will ever play it

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>>253583643
>$10 goal
>Gets 50k

>>253585287
weeb waifu simulator

>>253585161
Whether it was good or bad, and even if they took a lot longer than intended, they did deliver.

Don't Starve and Risk of Rain also had kickstarters I think

>>253584991
I hate the term too, but
>Not funding a fun looking game, because of autism

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>>253583926
Tharja a shit

>>253585370
I fucking love the new bills, they're so goddamn nice.

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>people bought this shit because they shit talked notch
>can't even outdo a half assed java game

>>253585306
Not for 3.3 million it's not

>>253585287
>I have autism but that wont stop me
LEL
E
L

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>"refund" game is $10

>they got $567,665

>kickstarter keeps 1/3 of the profits

>yogs got $378,444

>to refund their 13k backers it cost $136,470

>they still made over $241974

how does this not legit be classes as a scam?

sure hope someone revs up those lawyers

>>253582010
Meanwhile they just admitted to starting up a new shilling business:

>Hi all,

>In light of the new Space Engineers episode going out we wanted to take the opportunity to speak openly about something new we're doing, YogDiscovery.

>What is YogDiscovery?

>YogDiscovery is our way of encouraging our creators to showcase fantastic indie games that they love so that everyone benefits.

>How does it work?

>Much like an affiliate link, our creators receive a small share of the revenue generated by the measurable increase in sales generated by their coverage. This will often run for a brief period of time after the video has gone live.

>So for example if a game had an extra 10,000 sales in the week after their video, they would see a small percentage of those extra sales.

>Ideally viewers will be encouraged to purchase through the Humble Store rather than Steam, as developers receive a better margin and 10% of revenue goes to charity.

They will shill your indie game for a percentage of the sales.

At least Lore was funny.

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>>253585370
why don't you try to catch some of that money people a literally throwing around, /v/irgins?

>>253585287
>My Name is Tanner! I have Autism
Atleast he's up front about it.

>>253585515
That's not much money for a modern game. It's easily worth that much and more.

>>253585392
>they did deliver
They still havent finished it.
No part 2 yet. So you cant even say that.

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>>253585474
>>253585556

>>253585386

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1727847183/hero-monster-girl-quest-3d

HAHAHAHAHA

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>>253585489
They weren't working on it at all, they hired some random guy to do it.

>>253585570
I thought autism is something you should be ashamed of.

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Countries should use KS to solve their debt problems.

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https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter

>Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?

Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This* is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill.

*- Pic related. this is originally a hyperlink

There's more stuff about fulfillment, but even Kickstarter acknowledges that people who start projects and then fail to deliver have broken the law.

>>253585287
How do people find this shit?
I cant even find interesting games, never mind autistic shit like this.

>>253585659
that looks familiar

>>253585726

Donate 10K for a minister post.

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>>253585543
>I can't math

>>253585726
What promised can Greece make to pay off debnts?

>>253583643
well i certainly wont blame him for doing it, it was a good idea to make some money and luckily for him it worked

>>253585789
It would work for an african country.

>>253585819
you wot? its correct

>>253585578
>3million on a point and click
>grim fandango was only 1 million

>>253585543
>kickstarter keeps 1/3 of the profits

Why do people keep saying this? They take 5%.

>>253585754
>You must deliver
>If you don't... well... you might look bad and some of your more stupid backers might sue you for a cause that is so feeble it wouldn't even reach court
Man this is some scary shit.

>>253585079
hng

>>253585515
>>253585578
>>253585901
It was more than 3.3, remember that Schafer ran out of money. Didn't he do another kikestarter for it afterwards?

>>253585726
US debt kickstarter stretch goals:
>$1 trillion
Abortions for none
>$2 trillion
Abortions for all
>$3 trillion
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others

>>253585901
>According to Schafer, the game was developed on a $3 million budget
Okay, buddy.

>>253584253
afaik she released the board game.

Why would you even consider backing this game?

>>253585878
no, they should not have any profit if they were to refund every single penny to people that donated, in fact, they should be out money because they now have to come up with 5% of what KS took.

>>253586021
>Didn't he do another kikestarter for it afterwards?
No. They expanded the scope of the game and got independent funding from other sources to pay for the extras. And decided to make it into two games instead of one so they could use sales from the first part to help fund the second part.

>>253585928
I dunno, a backer managed to be in the same state as a failed kickstarter and sued their ass to bankruptcy

>>253585578
>Shit artstyle (like tumblr tier)
>Point and click
>Shit by even those standards
>3.3+
Nope

Meanwhile, PoE, Wasteland 2 and DivOS are looking much better. The latter was partially done before KS, but still.

>>253586116
they havnt refunded it though

they have just giving everyone who backed the project a free game.

>>253583643
http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_grapevine/2014/07/if_you_can_kickstart_potato_salad_why_not_some_white_privilege.html

>>253584992
just stream some games on twitch and be female and the saudis will give you 10K

>>253586156
Has great art. Point and click is a good genre. It's great by any standards. You're just a shitposter and now you'll cry about being called what you are.

>>253582808
What about those people who donated like 10k for the project?

>>253585819
His math is correct though.

They received $567,665 in funding.
Multiply this by .666666 etc
Yogscast kept $378,443.33 while Kickstarter took $189,221.67

They had 13,647 backers.
The refund game is worth $10.
$136,470 in expenses to buy the game at retail price (and they may have very well gotten a discount for buying that many keys)

$378,443.33 - $136,470 = $241, 973.33.

OP rounded the dollar value up, otherwise his answer is correct.

>>253586179
Now I see what you're saying. Hahha, here I thought they were gonna refund people their money, it's way cheaper to give a shitty $10 dollar game and keep the rest.

>tfw kickstarted Shovel Knight
>tfw it wasn't an early access unfinished piece of shit

>>253586104
I don't thing grasping concepts such as "considering" or "pondering" are something Yogcast fans are capable of doing

what the fuck is TUG ?

>>253586034
>Abortions for none
>$2 trillion
>Abortions for all
>$3 trillion

A maniacal part of me wants forced abortions for poor minorities with a history filled with drug abuse and crimes, cause let's be honest. What ever POS they give birth to is highly likely to do the same.

Yet another part of me REALLY wants minorities with a history for drug abuse and crimes to have forced abortions.

>>253586156
They needed 3.3 mil for Frodo, and I guess also for the "internet famous" B-listers like Felicia Day.

>>253586387
I kickstarted FTL

>>253586502
http://store.steampowered.com/app/277930

most generic boring cash grab you could find

>>253584493
It's not a good thing, but it's one of those "we told you so" things.

>>253584447
Bingo. If they paid for the game itself, then there'd be a problem. The rationale is that they paid for the funding to make such a game rather than the game itself.

>moralfags get super butthurt because this is apparently the project's fault rather than the consumer's fault

>>253586387
Too bad its only mediocre.

>>253582010
>kikestarter kiked some goyims!
>again!
But I still lol'd.

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>>253583398
If one of these bigger investors took them to court, they could get a pretty big and pretty landmark lawsuit with little effort, I can guarentee it.

"A bunch of guys came to us, said they'd make a game if we donated money. We donated a lot of money. They made nothing and then gave us packets of bubble-gum as consolation while the owners told us 'this is actually a good thing', your honor."

It'd be a pretty hilarious legal case, if any of these lazy fat donators could stop sucking Yog dick long enough to actually bother.

>>253584075
>SA
Jesus

>>253584415
Pledging makes the money go to them. If someone refunds it, they get a record of that. They can easily refund.

>>253584991
>hipster settings
>established literary name for a specific subgenre gives you this much of a rectum ravagery

You might literally be autistic.

>>253586608
I pirated FTL
t-t-thanks I g-g-guess

>>253586829
I bought it twice. So you can just say you borrowed one of my copies. It's chill, anon.

>>253586515
>being so edgy that you can't spot a Simpsons reference

>>253586198
>A lot people weren’t too happy to see Brown’s Kickstarter go beyond its goals, and said that it had plenty to do with white privilege.
10/10
Good idea trying to capitalize on white guilt though.

>>253586387
>Dont have money when DivOS needed to be kickstarted
>Preorder the CE when it was availible, to support the company
>Turns out great

>Give to Wasteland 2
>Apparently it's average, but thats not bad
>Give to Kingdom Come Deliverance
>Hopefully it wont suck

People just need to pick their battles.
Star citizen, Broken age and MN9 were shit from the start.
Shantae will probably suck too. Especially given there is more waifu discussion than gameplay discussion.

>>253584991
>Hipster
I'd hardly call >>>/tg/ (technically, the originators of the term Dieselpunk) hipsters. Nerds and faggots, yes, but not hipsters.

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Even sheiks know to be careful with your money.

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>>253583295
>Investment
Donation, brah.

>>253587082
Hamad has some mostly good taste.

>>253585287
>What free money ideas would you guys come up with?
autism simulator
you market it to socially conscious liberals so that they can understand what it's like to be autistic so they can turn their noses up in self-righteous indignation at all those who haven't played it

>>253583124
I bet those people gladly waste another $10K to shove gun in his loose ass, and fire.

fuckin' A

>ask for money on kickstarter
>get backed
>can the project
>get key for a product you didn't want

this shit is like going into a store and asking for coke, then getting pepsi

You people talk like this but in 2005 moot did the same thing, buying dell is worse than hell

>>253587082
>Shadowrun returns
Not careful enough.

Seriously though guys, how do I find more decent kickstarters? I always feel bad hearing about things after they closed. Some look interesting, but I never heard of then until it was too late.

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>there are people on /v/ right now who funded anything on kikestarter that isn't anime

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>>253583124
>Pledge $10,000 or more
>5 backers
>All previous (including walk on role in Shadow of Israphel)

SoI is also dead for a while now, haha I'm dying! Money well spent

What about the few losers that spent thousands?

>>253583276
I befriended an oil baron (supposedly) from the UAE on /v/, he was giving away KF when it was on sale. he got mad at me for bodying him in street fighter and removed me as a friend

>>253585214
There was a Barkley update less than a month ago.

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>>253587332
>funding anything on shitstarter that isn't Mighty Number 9™

it's like you're a capcom marketer or something

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>>253587534
>funding feminism
Dina please go.

>>253587082
>Shadowrun Returns
>Empire Eden(Cancelled)

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>this entire thread

>>253587594
>being that /pol/thetic you still don't realize how little that entire debacle fucking mattered to the production of the game.
>not having seen how hot and sexploitative the female characters have gotten.

You are a retard and your father hates your cunt.

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Why even have a job or go to college when you can be rich in less than a month?

>>253587730
>literally being so mad

?

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>>253587730
You seem agitated. Could it be that your plan to smash the patriarcy by planting sjw propaganda in MN9 ha failed?

>>253582335
I just donated $15

Thank you for showing this.

>>253584212
Fuck off. It's not a donation as there is clearly a promise of a product to be delivered.

>>253583091
Kickstarter already has a money back guarantee id you don't get the promised rewards.

>>253587451
>someone gives away 80 dollars worth of shit
>oil baron

no anon, there are pathetic people who just have no friends

Alright, so aside from oil barons some of the best people to drain free money from are probably rich white kids. Rich white kids are, more often than not, highly liberal and most likely go on tumblr, thus they are typically SJW or something similar. There's that kickstarter for some black girl to get white privilege which takes advantage of this, but it doesn't have nearly enough steam behind it for whatever reason. Surely there must be a way to guilt-trip these people into donating to some nebulous cause which can never be delivered on, but what is it?

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>>253587768
conscience ain't cheap

>>253587898
You're fucking retarded. It's a donation. You're giving them money hoping they'll make the game. If they do, good job, you get the game. If not, fuck you, they're not responsible for returning your money.

>>253587851
>agitated
Have you seen the exposed vagina on the hot as fuck female character in MN9?

Nothing came of there being a feminist on staff.

Hiring someone with beliefs you don't agree with doesn't entitle you to a refund, but it also doesn't mean hell is raining down upon your precious videogame dreams. MN9 is exactly what people wanted, and somehow it got (likely coincidentally) sexier.

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>>253587997
>kickstarter for some black girl to get white privilege
This should be so damn funny.

>>253587997
shave your head, say you got cancer

watch the dosh flow in

savewalterwhite.com

>>253587997
>Rich white kids are, more often than not, highly liberal

Take your boogeyman elsewhere.

>>253584146
There are three likely options as to why they didn't hire more staff, either:
1) It was a cynical cash in from the start.
2) They don't/didn't have the industry ties needed to hire professionals.
3) They're so neurotic that they felt the need to be able to look over everyone's shoulder and have nothing done without their stuttering approval, and hiring more people would have made the effort involved feel like an actual job.

My money's on 3.

>>253588085
> I'm not buying games. I gift gamestop money and as a sign of their gratitude they gift me a game.

>>253588115
>Nothing came of there being a feminist on staff.

Are you living in Bizzaro world

>>253582698
Think of it like an investment. Just because you invest in something, doesn't mean you'll get any return on it.

This is why I rarely put any money into kickstarters.

Always do your research, see what has already been made, are the people making it trustworthy, are the people making it /competent/, do they have past projects and have they been successful, are their goals and idea realistic.

These are all things you should ask yourself before investing in a kickstarter.

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>>253588115
It entitles me to call you a whorish, fat, legbeard for supporting it.

And no, of course I didn't follow it after Dina, the game has been ruined forever.

>>253588085
> If not, fuck you, they're not responsible for returning your money

Actually, by kickstarter's own TOS, if they cannot deliver a stated reward, they must provide a refund.

>>253588171
What? You're justifying your lack of understanding of what the terms "donation" and "investment" mean with some oversimplifyed analogy.

The Kickstarter was done (in legal terms) by the third party developer that the project was outsourced to.

That company is now going into administration, so there is no one to sue.

And regardless, two years of development with $500,000 for a six man team is... really not enough money. I doubt they actually got anything out of it (Brindley & co probably managed a decent licensing fee though, if they're not idiots).

I mean; six salaries, rent on an office, workplace insurance, furniture, computers... they never actually had enough money to complete the project, let alone the talent.

So to be straight and honest here; there have been about ten released kickstarter projects that I am incredibly happy were released. I'm sure there are more, but there are 10 games I own that I'm glad exist. Weird, fucked up games that I doubt would have been funded, included an Ice-Pick Lodge game (my game-dev waifu).

Kikestarter is filled with total garbage and all, but I really do like that slim percentage of good that comes out. How would you guys improve something like kikestarter?

Eh, not the worst case around, at least they are still trying to make up for the shit they got into and trying to give the game and bonus, but they should really give the option of the person getting a refund instead

>>253588280
Did this ever happen? Why is Yogscast doing this then?

>>253588273
So you never actually confirmed whether the GAME was changed at all. No, you made a petty assumption and want to stick with it.

>>253588085
I'm sorry, patent Nr. 253588085, you do not get to call others retarded.

>You're giving them money hoping they'll make the game.
No. It's not a hope. I'm funding a project so that it will be completed. This isn't a hope, it's their promise and an obligation.

>>253587451
RULE! IF YOU GET A SUPER-RICH FRIEND, SUCK HIS COCK AT ALL TIMES. LET HIM BEAT YOU AT GAMES. LAUGH AT HIS JOKES.

EVENTUALLY ADAM SANDLER WILL MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT HOW THE RICH GUY FINDS OUT HE HAS NO REAL FRIENDS AND LEARNS A LIFE LESSON. FOR LIFE.

>>253588363
Yogs weren't legally tied to the devs or something. They just licensed out their image and pledged to do support work (is va) when needed.

They've already said that refunds are a matter between kickstarter, the devs and the backers who should do the legwork.

>>253583230
Uh it says if you give us $15 or whatever you will get this product by this date.

That's a pretty clear guaranteed return on investment.

Also wasn't there an exact thread like this months ago? Anyone remember?

>>253588363

The development company is being written up. They do not exist to take to court.

>>253588273
>falling for /v/ trolling while still browsing /v/
You would fit better in /a/, anon

>>253588163
What, they are. Look at any college campus. I'm not talking shit about any political ideology, I'm just saying they seem like a ripe group of people to make money off of. The root of most of their issues is having too MUCH money, it has to be easy to get them to piss it away.

>>253588560
The kickstarter EULA used to say that those promises weren't contractually binding.

>>253582335
>reminiscent of old school RPGs

Yeah he's damn right seeing as he essentially ripped off Fallout 1 and 2 (I mean look at the UI, it's like a fucking carbon copy) and made their graphics better/made it a dieselpunk setting/made it realtime

I'd like to see the game do well but I seriously hope it's not just gonna feel exactly how it looks

>>253588281
The problem is that you've completely made up both those terms and are shoehorning them into discussion.

Nobody considers funding kickstarter as either donation OR investment. Well, nobody except idiots like you.

It is only a donation if you decide to opt out of a reward.

Give your money to someone who deserves it.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/i-need-a-ps4--2

>Being injured and slightly chubby means I get dregs of work in Wrestling now and can't fund my gaming habits because the money I do make gets spent on drugs
>If I get the PS4 I will stop eating Pic N Mix

>>253588637
You're confusing middle class/upper middle class with rich. The two are very different.

>>253588632
Can't he just cancel that anyway?

>>253588148
It was already posted in this thread.

>>253588363
PR, they got canned by the third party Dev and now are doing this to make then look like the nice guys.
Probably a scheme to help them survive the backlash of Yogdiscovery

>>253588727
They both have money to burn, what does the distinction matter in this case?

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>>253588632

>>253583276
Make it rain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxQGUBGcQ4

Loadsacamels.

>>253583926
You still broke into his house, so you're still accountable on the charge of breaking and entering at the least. You also didn't have the owner's permission to take the money and Tharja. Stop using shitty examples.
Also >wanting Tharja
>ever

>>253588632
only a subhuman spic. whats with these subhumans and assfaggots games. oh right, they're so easy that even spider monkey humanoids like spics can succeed at them.

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>>253585474

Not so nice when they stick to each other and you accidently give someone $40 instead of $20

>>253582698
This is massively illegal outside of America.

>>253588026

>conscience
>Jews rocked down hundreds of Palestinian children, to kill some ooga booga terrorists that throw rocks on them
>conscience

Don't you worry about conscience on this planet brotato

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/482445197/unsung-story-tale-of-the-guardians

I hope they get more money.

It's unfair that degenerates can get people to pay for them to get their cocks cut off, but a fun videogame is too much

>"The project was proving too ambitious and difficult for them to complete"
It was too ambitious and difficult for them to even fucking start.

>>253589217

It is illegal everywhere, including america.

However there is no legal recourse because the corporate entity liable no loner exists. (and is a limited liability company anyway)

If you register yourself as a creditor with the appropriate Californian governmental body, you might be able to get one of their chairs or something, if that was company owned.

>>253584465
>>253585161
Chivalry: Medieval Warfare was alright, not 10/10 best game ever with zero flaws but it's well received and the studio has gone beyond kikestarter and shit.

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>>253585287
>Concept drawings
Jesus Christ

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>>253589538

>>253589510
Is there a reason why they didn't just use their superior mod instead?

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>>253589625

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>>253585287
>those concept drawings
Jesus fucking Christ

>>253589538
>>253589625
>you will never be used as a vehicle to make your parents rich

>>253589486
>>253589217
>>253582698

Read Kickstarter's fine print. Kickstarter is a donation, not an investment. They are not obligated to give you anything whether they succeed or fail.

You are donating money to a Kickstarter, and if it falls apart, it falls apart. Your donation was appreciated at the time.

You have no legal stake or ownership of the product whatsoever.

>>253583705
If I'm correct, the money never actually went to the Yogscast, the kickstarter was made by Winterkewl, and all the Yogscast did was publicise it.

$10 that they fell victim to feature-creep since they thought 500k was a load of money to develop a game and they didn't have a producer to tell them no you fucking idiots stop doing this shit.

>>253582010
> $570,000
> too difficult for 6 people

Thats why you hire more people. What the fuck did they do with the money then? Fuck hookers on a mountain of cocaine?

>>253582335
I'll think about it after I play the demo.

>>253586321
With investment, there's always a risk you could lose your money. They knew that. That's on them.

>>253589260
>Backer specific classes aand shit
I remember why I didnt fund this.

Also
>Just check KS maybe find something good
>Shit everywhere
How the hell did I find out about good games on here again?
Shovel knight was fine, but it's clearly a gem in a fucking sewer.

Please tell me there are easier ways to find things, becuase some of those projects looked fucking abysmal.
>No gameplay for some game vids
>"Old school stealth" while having a dishonoured style blink power for one.
>Fallout inspired game has no gameplay, just a cutscene trailer of images.

>>253588273
>>253588115
Personally I bailed because the community representative, the one who is the bridge between the english speaking fans and the devteam, was caught baltantly liying to the forum in her first post. Did she come clean with something along the lines of "You're really passionate and I was just worried you wouldn't accept me"?
No, she started deleting threads and posts. It wasn't because she's a woman, it was because she's a blatant liar and I cannot trust her to represent me.

>>253589826

No magistrate in the world would actually rule in favor of that.

>>253589930
>Backer specific classes aand shit

Yeah I just noticed that, pretty fucking gay ain't it?

I bet those classes will be dlc later too.

>>253589980
AFAIK there's not yet any legal precedent for this specific case. I haven't heard of any failed KSes ending up in court.

>>253585287

The guards are based on Billy Dee Williams, right?

>>253589890
>What the fuck did they do with the money then? Fuck hookers on a mountain of cocaine?

I would guess pay six salaries for two years?

Exactly how cheap do you think making a videogame is?

The fuck is tug?

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>>253582698
The legal terms when you kickstart something basically have your "backing" as a donation.

Then the project maker has to make a "good faith" attempt to deliver on the project, if it falls through it falls through, as it did here.

They don't even owe the backers a game, but they're doing that to save face.

This is why 90% of kickstarters, if not more, are fucking stupid to back.

>>253590182
You know atleast the Ouya delivered, Yogventures only shat out a barely playable alpha if I remember correctly.

The Ouya is still a piece of shit with nogaemz.

>>253583643
somebody made a Flappy Bird knockoff about potato salad because of that.

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>>253587534
>Funding Might Number 9
After Kickstarter's previous numerous scams, after I had heard 8-4, who censored Fire Emblem Awakening, were doing its localization, and also the fact Kamiya told us Inafune was a businessman, I decided against it after admittedly considering it for a moment.

The whole Dina debacle only made me feel like I had dodged a bullet.
>But she didn't change anything
It turned out she didn't, but the way we were lied to and how the entire incident was handled--ding dong bannu and Inafune saying he wouldn't give any refunds like the day before the Kickstarter was over--is terrible PR and they don't deserve any of my money especially after that.

>>253588313
then why set your goal for $250,000 if it's not enough money?

>>253590257
The biggest problem with the Ouya was the hype. People were expecting to fucking play Skyrim or Call of Duty on it, for fuck's sake.

>http://store.steampowered.com/app/277930/
>TUG
>Early Access

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
same shit will happen to TUG as well. screencap this

>>253590059
>Paying near $4K for each member of a team of incompetents
>Not watching what they're developing like a hawk
>Not having something deliverable after 2 years of work

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I funded Mercenary Kings and I don't regret it.

>>253582010
>I guess our game was too ambitious
Yogcast confirmed for bad as EA

>>253590345

Because they were idiots whose project estimate for cost and duration were laughably wrong.

>>253590368
To be fair, it's the kids' problem for being so fucking retarded and not understanding that phone hardware cannot run Skyrim, GTA, CoD etc. and for falling for the over the top POWER TO THE PLAYA hype.

Though it is also the Ouya guys' fault for not posting the specs and shit on the FAQ as well as the front page.

tl;dr Everyone except /v/ is stupid, except for the Anons here who actually bought/backed the Ouya Kickstarter.

>>253582808
>Theft would be you not getting anything in return.
it's illegal to demand payment for unsolicited services. Nobody asked for the game, but they received a key anyway. This does not change the fact they are owed yogventures or a refund

>>253590413

$40k minus rent, insurance, materials, etc

But yeah, this is what happens when "creative" types try to run a business venture without hiring a producer and manager.

For all people bandy about Kamiya's "Inafune is a businessman", at least ComCept have actually GOT a fucking businessman.

>>253582335
>playable demo put on a snail server

nigger i can't wait three hours to download 434mb.

>>253584647
It was 'alright'. I regret buying it instead of pirating that short ass game.

>project only needed 250k
>gets 500k
>fails because "too ambitious for six men"
So.. hire more? Not like they couldn't afford it with that surplus cash.
This is Tim Schaffer levels of waste

>>253590583
I'm too disillusioned from years of disappointments to get full-on hyped anymore, which has saved me a lot of money. I am cautiously interested in a few games, though.

If you think Kickstarted projects can be punished just look at the results of the Pictures for Sad Children Kickstarter.

>>253582010
>yogscast
Nothing of value was lost

>>253590059
> 6 man team
> 2 years
> 570k

They didnt spend money on new hardware, outsourcing, or new employees. They budgeted the paychecks of their current project. That comes out to nearly $100,000 per man for 2 years. Maybe down to $90k if you factor in Kickstarters cut. They blew their fuckin money man.

>>253590745
They probably fell victim to feature-creep and didn't have a producer/manager who told them to stop being a load of ideaguys and to work on the game.

>>253590809
Pretty much the same really, after Dark Souls II I really now stop being ultra-hyped about anything nowadays.

I too have some games like Witcher 3, Mount & Blade 2 and Persona 5 that I'm cautiously optimistic about.

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>>253590863
>read about that
>see that he's going to burn an extra copy for every email asking about the books
>send him a good 30 emails asking about htem before I get bored

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>>253589260
>I hope they get more money.
Other than the main guys behind the Ivalice games, literally everyone else on the team exclusively makes mobile games.

This is another Kickstarter blunder waiting to happen and you don't realize it because you see Matsuno's name on it and instantly want to give him your money because you think just because of him and a few other Ivalice developers, the product will be elder god tier. You don't bother to look into the rest of it. So many Kickstarters succeed based on just having a few famous people on board and/or being "IT'S JUST LIKE THAT GAME YOU LOVED AS A KID". And how many deliver?

Don't get me wrong, I love Final Fantasy Tactics, but this almost makes me angry that you're so eager to part with your money for this.
http://www.playdekgames.com/

>>253582808
>purchase 1lb steak
>you get a 4oz patty of hamburger
>don't be mad, you still got meat
You are right this isn't theft. It is just plain old being ripped off.

>>253590952
It's mostly Bayonetta 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 for me.

>>253590745

Hey, at least it's not Star Citizen levels.

So, have you got any staff that can actually make a game yet?
>No
Why not? You have $50 million, you can actually afford to headhunt from bigger companies
>No
You have 50 million fucking dollars. You could literally contract out an EA or Activision studio and retain complete creative control.
>No!

>>253582698
>theft
kickstarter = donation

>>253591062
Those look like alright games. Haven't got a Wii U but Bayonetta 2 is looking pretty sleek.

>>253590950

You are very bad at mathematics. Sorry.

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>>253582010
I SAW THIS COMING A YEAR AWAY.

>>253591147
I'm enjoying my Wii U. Especially Wonderful 101. Pretty comfy playing Mario, Tropical Dong, and eshop games on the gamepad, though. I have documentaries playing on the tv while I do.

>>253591052
What is it with /v/ and food analogies?

And that's not even valid. You were never guaranteed to get a steak, it was an investment.

It's more like
>Buy stock in steak company
>Hope they'll make a lot of steak
>Something goes wrong, they don't
>You lose your money
>Proceed to call the stock market a ripoff and a scam

Why are so fucking retards still so behind on the fact that Kickstarter is NOT just an "investment"? Have you never bothered to go to an actual Kickstarter page, where they say "give us $10 and we'll give you the full game and a thank you"? That means YOU ARE BUYING THE FULL GAME AND A THANK YOU. Not only that, have you bothered reading Kickstarter's T&C where they say makers are obligated to uphold their promises, or googled for a few minutes to see there is already precedent in the US for suing the maker of a Kickstarter that falls through?

http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/when-kickstarter-investors-want-their-money-back.html
>Kickstarter's terms make it clear that project creators must "refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
>In May 2012, Singh filed paperwork in Arizona's Justice Court citing breach of contract. He sued both Quest and his business partner, Juan Cespedes
>Because he never incorporated Hanfree, Quest was personally liable for the refunds. But the money from the backers was gone, spent on engineers and contract manufacturers. The lawsuit forced him into bankruptcy.

>>253583926
>/v/ in charge of making analogies

>>253591274
>Stocks being anything but a scam.

>>253590235
False. Kickstarter's policy actually says the person who funded the project is obligated to refund any amount given as funding to the project.

>>253591070
I love their fucking interviews. A team of fat neckbeard fucks laying around in a $100,000 hotel room with a hookah and vaping. Like the most disgusting looking fat degenerates you can possibly find. And people still keep giving them money.

>>253591274
Jeez, anon you sure to know a lot about money.
Everything seems to run on money.
Wouldn't it be a shame if the world ran without money?
Seems that it would only piss off one group of people.
the first letter of each sentence

>talking shit on YouTube now qualifies you to develop video games

I want off this scary ride

>>253591274
>it was an investment.
No. It was a contract. They clearly offered varying products/services for different levels of backing, and failed to deliver those products/services. They could have not promised the backers anything, simply said "donate to us and we'll try to make the game". But they didn't, so it wasn't just an investment.

>>253585754
Yogventures was funded before that change to kickstarter.

>>253583124
Yogventures is going to be an open world sandbox game designed first and foremost as a multiplayer experience. The game will allow you to create and shape worlds, then easily share them and play with friends! We're going to take the idea of "build your own adventure" to the extreme. Yogventures will provide simple-to-use tools to design worlds that match your imagination and are packed with thrilling stories and epic treasures.


>it's minecraft

>>253591274
That's an even worse analogy, because Kickstarters do guarantee a product. It's more like ordering a box of chocolate bars from a school fundraiser and not getting it, except at least the money there is going to a good cause and not just a bunch of lazy kikes.

>>253591272
Man that sounds comfy and fun. I really should pick up a Wii U, some lighthearted kid-friendly stuff would be a nice break from all the WRPGs I've been playing through.

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I funded nothing and pirated everything.
What're you going to do about that?

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>>253591570
High-five you.
Well done.

>>253591167
> 570k/6 isnt 95k

Oh.. okay anon, m-my bad.

>>253585928
>some of your more stupid backers might sue you for a cause that is so feeble it wouldn't even reach court
Breach of contract is not feeble. People have already successfully sued people over failed Kickstarters. Stop making yourself look like an idiot

>>253591508
See >>253583996

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>>253585287
i am loosing my shit with all those concept arts.

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>>253591570
Yoheeho it's a pirate's life for me!

>>253591635
>redirecting to another one of your own posts that doesn't mean anything

http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/when-kickstarter-investors-want-their-money-back.html
>Kickstarter's terms make it clear that project creators must "refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
>In May 2012, Singh filed paperwork in Arizona's Justice Court citing breach of contract. He sued both Quest and his business partner, Juan Cespedes
>Because he never incorporated Hanfree, Quest was personally liable for the refunds. But the money from the backers was gone, spent on engineers and contract manufacturers. The lawsuit forced him into bankruptcy.

They, in writing, have promised to give backers things if they received money, and didn't. They are open to be sued

>>253582010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHgxOXEQaFU

>>253585287
"Something Something Privilege"
A game where you show those men who's REALLY in charge. Slap on a sob story about ak id somewhere, then just spend the money on beer, hookers, and a copy of Game Maker to slap together something they'll eat up.

>>253583091
It's not an investment, it's technically a donation and you can get nothing in return because of that

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>>253585287
>829$ goal
That's awfully specific.
Also
>That fucking concept art

Just look on KS now, most of it is shit.
Unless /v/ mentions it, it's not worth giving money too. If there is anything even remotely decent, it will be mentioned here.

No suprise this one sucked.

>all these people on kikestarter asking for money so they can stream videogames
Absolutely disgusting.

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>>253582010
>tfw never ever backed a game on kikestarter

>>253582808

>donate money to get one product
>company shits the bed, gives you a 3 dollar indie game instead

I'm sure if you looked through consumer laws you could find something that says that this is illegal.

>>253583643
>it's real
fuck this gay

I am so done with this shit
I am SO done

>>253585672
not in this day and age. If you're black, gay, be pretty much anything other than a white male you get brownie points and free cash if you're oppressed

>>253586198
>People give a clown who asked for $10 to make potato salad lods of emone
>Evil white privilege
>People give a moron tonnes of bux to tell lies and do webcam diaries of tvtropes articles
>Empowerment

Wat

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>ctrl+f "jews"
>2 results

>>253591942
Shame you're still a moba kiddie

>>253591883
>That's awfully specific.

It's probably how much it cost for him to go to that game design camp.

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>>253591956
Hey, dude only wanted a few bucks to make some potato salad. At least it's a lot more honest and realistic than most of these fucking kickstarter things.

I should do a morning coffee kickstarter.

>>253582698
They donated it.

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>>253586198

>joke kick starter getting out of control is now white privilege
>potato salad is white privilege