>game asks you to do something extremely suspicious
>it's obviously a trap but you have to do it to advance the plot
>do it anyway
>you were working for the villain all along
>"HAHA I TRICK U"
I hate when this happens.
Spec Ops The Line and the civilians, you have to kill them to advance even though it's so obvious they're civilians and you're not allowed to get pissed off at it because "that's the point, don't you get how deep it is?"
>it's obviously a trap
But it wasn't obvious at all, you were told that Rex was already activated and you have to deactivate it, at no point was it even implied that Rex wasn't activated.
By that logic nothing should be discussed about the plot of any game ever.
>FUCK YOUUUU I HAVEN'T FINISHED IT YET
>SCREEW YOUUUUU I HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED THE TRAILER YET
>SPOILER ALERT THAT THAT MORON I DON'T KNOW THAT GAME
No they spoiled it too early when they showed that Liquid and Ocelot could see Snake on the camera but didn't react to it, and they told you the keycards could only be used once and they either turned the nuke on or off.
Then that's your own fault, if you've had a toaster for the past several years you could have just played the PC version or emulated it. Now, well yeah there are going to be spoilers, it's just something you'll have to deal with for being so late to the party. I only got into MGS last year and I've already had pretty much the entire series spoiled just from lurking /v/, and I only have myself to blame.
I stayed there for a good 30 minutes shooting the snipers and soldiers, they infinitely respawn. It's only the redditors who see that shit as a 2deep5u plot where it questions the reality of war.
>I didn't notice anything.
All the themes are cut by half of their actual duration, Alert theme doesn't have the Evasion routine, all music and sound effects are audio cues at 22khz 8bit, as opposed to the PS1's sampled 44khz 16bit, no reverb, codec conversations with embedded music and cutscenes run at 32khz instead of the original 33075hz, making all of them slower and offkey.
>Gamepads don't exist
I thought they weren't available, my bad.
>You mean the live action stuff? I assume there's a fix.
There isn't, and I'm talking about cool blur screenbuffer effects in cutscenes and DOF, and the codec bloom. They're all gone.
Why would the DARPA chief, played by Decoy Octopus, member of FOX-HOUND, give you a keycard to "disable" REX if that's what he was supposed to protect from being disabled?
Why would Ocelot take the optic disc of information but not the keycard to prevent Snake from "disabling" REX if Snake were to escape?
Why would Ocelot and Liquid leave the control room instead of preventing Snake from "disabling" REX there with the keycard if that's what they wanted Snake to believe?
How did Snake or nobody over the Codec notice that? Missing cloaking prototypes are noticable, but the enemy handing you a key to use it for a lock that can only be used once isn't suspicious at all?
>HAHA I TRICK U
>what do you mean?
>you took the bait
>I don't understand
>we used you to do our bidding
>I'm not following
>YOU WERE DECEIVED BY US TO DO OUR WORK FOR US AS YOU THOUGHT THE ORDERS WERE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF YOUR SIDE, BUT YOU FUCKED YOURSELF AND NOW WE HAVE THE UPPER HAND!!
>I don't get it... please explain
GOD DAMMIT SNAKE WAS SUCH A FUCKING RETARD!!
>Why would the DARPA chief, played by Decoy Octopus, member of FOX-HOUND, give you a keycard to "disable" REX if that's what he was supposed to protect from being disabled?
Meryl gives you the PAL key. The story that the "DARPA chief" told you was you needed to disable REX using the PAL-key because they had the two launch passwords from him and baker.
>Why would Ocelot take the optic disc of information but not the keycard to prevent Snake from "disabling" REX if Snake were to escape?
All Ocelot needed for his mission was the launch data. Everything else was moot, so he left the PAL-key in Snake's gear along with all of his weapons and items and chucked a time-bomb in for good measure.
>Why would Ocelot and Liquid leave the control room instead of preventing Snake from "disabling" REX there with the keycard if that's what they wanted Snake to believe?
They didn't leave the control room. Ocelot shot at Snake, they locked the doors and had an infinite army of guards attack Snake as he tried to escape. From Snake's perspective it's a sincere attempt to end his life.
>How did Snake or nobody over the Codec notice that? Missing cloaking prototypes are noticable, but the enemy handing you a key to use it for a lock that can only be used once isn't suspicious at all?
The enemy never handed him a key. Meryl gave him the PAL-key. Up until Snake puts in the third key and Liquid reveals his disguise, Snake thinks that the terrorists had the two passcodes to launch REX and had already input them.
8/10, replied to the bait.
If this wasn't bait, you're an idiot and need to pay attention when you play a game.
That was such bullshit. It would've actually been a pretty strong message IF THERE WAS A CHOICE. They could've easily made it so if you thought outside the box and found an alternative method of tackling that situation, you could continue without resorting to white phosphorus. But no. Snipers respawn. Can't stop the tanks because they're invincible when they're traveling to their position. No alternative routes, no "this would be the harder option but it would be the moral thing to do" option, etc.
But since there was no choice, the message of "hurr durr you're a bad person for killing civvies" is complete bullshit and is meaningless. And I can't stand the people that defend it saying "b-but you had the choice to quit playing the game!". That's a bullshit cop-out if ever there was one. Stories don't just stop because you stop playing/reading/etc and the choice needs within the context of the game itself.
Oh, for a second my rampant mental issues confused me. I thought I actually was the player character himself. Thanks for clearing that up.
Wasn't half as bad as that time I played Super Deep Throat, though.
>Game forces you to do something good.
>Character is praised.
>Game forces you to do something bad.
>Character is criticised.
The difference is spec ops goes out of the way to direct that criticism towards the player and not just walker. If they were just criticizing a character in the game, no one would be complaining.
Man, I should stop seeing my therapist for my awful mental sicknesses and just give you cash. You already seem to somehow know everything about me.
Unless you aren't actually psychic like I sometime believe I am and you're just making up an easy persona for me so you knock that down instead of actually talking about the matter. But what do I know, I actually think I'm videogame characters, apparently.
It's 5 minutes before it happens, it gives a clever player the ability to realize what is going on, and it creates dramatic irony.
YOU might have known, but Snake didn't. That's the difference.
>npc unlocks door for me
>tells me to go on ahead
>find big suspicious looking room
>go etheral to scout ahead like I always do
>hit with toxic arrow, paralyzed as NPCs bad mouth me
Why did I even play this game
All those feels still after so many year.
>tfw there will never be a better MGS than the first one
Not him but holy shit you're such a faggot. The game is about NOT being a hero, and you're complaining that you can't be the "gary stu who saves the day".
Who gives a fuck about the underlying message the dev wanted? You're just a fucking retard because you're trying to argue about it.
You're not him, but you're apt enough that you've fallen into the exact same stumbling block of mindlessly assuming my position and arguing against the opinion you totally think I have.
But you've added the bitter flavor of "omg you gaynerd why even argue about it who cares, video games are for gaynerds i'd rather smoke weed".
Why are you arguing about it with me now, then?
Not the other guy, but I think what annoys him is the fact that the game gives part of the blame to the player when you can't change how the events unfold because infinite respawn.
>IQ of 180 and fluent in six languages
>can't understand simple statements or directions
Must be autism.
>IQ determines your ability to perceive lies
Being smart wouldn't make him be able to figure out that DARPA chief was actually
Besides, the only reason YOU figured it out is because you know you're in a plot. In real life, there'd be no reason to expect that kind of "twist" so it would be pretty fucking surprising.
Besides all that, Snake didn't know that they could see him in the control room
I've learned to be careful as fuck on 4chan when playing any game where the plot is remotely important. While playing MGS, if I saw an MGS image or post I'd quickly avert my eyes and keep scrolling
When will we get a FOX engine remake of MGS1 so that I can fap to Sniper Wolf in glorious HD?
Bad storytelling exacerbated by it being in an interactive medium. Basically, until now if I fucked up I couldn't continue. Now the game goes ahead and fucks up for me to force a plot element, which bugs me because of my attachment.
It's like games that fail you if the lead party member dies even though you can revive your party members whenever you want, or an escort mission that'll fail you on escort death but kills them in the cutscene at the end anyway. It starts causing friction between the gameplay and story segments and generally pisses me off.
Yes, people telling lies release a hormone, due being nervous. That's how people can tell a liar even if he says nothing they can outright disprove.
>Implying snake didn't have prototype nanomachines for that
Nigga, all the metal gears had something like that.
MGS2 also probably had the best main Metal Gear theme in the series
Each game is fucking amazing, but for different reasons. They're all equally good
Except parts of 4 and all of PW
>When you know something that the main character doesn't
>Having a high IQ makes you fucking Omniscient
Snake is pretty fucking knowledgeable about plenty of military stuff, because that's his fucking job. Doesn't mean he can "smell" liars or "sense" he is being watched. Those have nothing to do with being intelligent.
I never implied that.
That's absolutely true. There's also Love Deterrence.
That was great for that fight
Miller is a fucking good songwriter
Believe it or not, I didn't mean to SHIT on it. I just said it wasn't as good as the others, which isn't exactly an insult since I consider the first 3 Metal Gear Solid games to be my favorite of all time.
Now, it's weakness, in my opinion, comes from the fact that it doesn't really feel as much like a Metal Gear game until about the half way point. Boss Bottles weren't really as great as in the older games where you got to fight super freaks and exaggerated characters.
Oh and one more thing
SNAKE ZADORNOVS HAS ESCAPED AGAIN How the fuck are you supposed to figure out he's on the first level?
>Now, it's weakness, in my opinion, comes from the fact that it doesn't really feel as much like a Metal Gear game until about the half way point. Boss Bottles weren't really as great as in the older games where you got to fight super freaks and exaggerated characters.
Sorry, I got a bit caught up in popular opinion. Almost every MGS thread I see people insisting Peace Walker is a terrible game and that's just not true.
I agree with you on its weaknesses though. Also fuck Zadornov that shit was stupid. I found him the last time by accident.
some Japanese live interview that created A LOT of fanart
When did this happen?
They were doing good last time I heard anything, which was several months ago.
Why the fuck did Kojima even create a Kurd with blonde hair, blue eyes and light skin? Did he confuse Kurds with Persians?
>When did this happen?
I think a month ago. Never trust ISIS though since everything they post is propaganda.
There are some Kurds with blonde hair/blue eyes but they tend to have slavic admixture.
>even though it's so obvious they're civilians
That makes it worse. You knew you were killing innocent people but you did it anyway. If you actually had a problem with doing that, you wouldn't have done it. Don't you think that raises a good talking point about why people play violent games?
A random interview when Japan had heavy snowfall. The dude gave the corniest sentiment and now it's a meme with all of the fanart.
No, not at all. It's a game, there's no harm nor foul in doing something just to see what happens.
I'm not an evil person for throwing cups at NPCs in games to see if they coded a reaction.
I am a Serb, so I'm well aware of that. But they only took young males for their army, how did that get to the Kurds specifically?
It'd be more probable that there are Turks with Slavic appearance than Kurds.
This is exactly what happened to me in your pic related. Millar clearly didnt know how to launch the nuke and it was obvious that I was actually arming it when i was supposed to be disarming it. This turned out to be THE major plot twist.
I never knew he was liquid but i had heavily suspected he was working for him, trying to make me detonate the bomb, especially considering I noticed that nobody else on the mission seemed to talk much about millar or directly speak with him
I'LL SHOW YOU TRUE HELL
This is what so many people say. Jesus fucking christ that just sounds so pretentious.
If I spent money on the game, I obviously want to beat it, and all you pretentious fucks are just saying ''NO U HAVE TO STOP PLAYING DONT U GET HOW DEEP IT IS''
Of all the things you can dislike Peace Walker for, it's soundtrack is not one of them.
Love Deterrence may have been out of place, but it worked really well for this boss fight.
Hotline Miami isn't calling you out for it, it's just pointing out that you as the player are probably reaping a lot of enjoyment out of brutally slaughtering people grindhouse style.
No, it's a really out of place J-pop sounding song.
Totally cheesy and would give you a red neck if somebody seen you playing it.
The rest of the soundtrack is just bland. The gameplay is abysmal.
>PW ends with Snake fighting a giant mech piloted by an underaged* girl in her panties while lisetning to a J-Pop anime OP.
>The next game in the series involves a woman and a young boy forced to rape eachother, with the woman exploding due to a bomb forced into her vagina
Pretty big tone shift.
Boss fights in that game were just spamming missles and getting more missles dropped off to you. In other words you're just saying you enjoyed listening to the song because you're a faggot who likes japanese girly things.
Paz and Chico are just fucking awful characters for the MGS series.
Meryl. No contest. EVA is a whore, Rose is kinda dull and all the female bosses throughout the series are all kinds of fucked up. Paz is just a moe blob. Naomi is in all of MGS4's worst scenes, and is the main source of the terrible melodrama. Mei Ling is kinda cute I guess, though. Wouldn't call the Boss `a girl'.
Yep, because as I just said the pictures you're posting never happened. That's how Metal Gear Rising portrayed her growing up. Metal Gear Rising is not canon. The last real time we seen Sunny was the MGS4 ending. You should read posts before replying to them.
Kojima hasn't said it's canon. That's the point, that's how it works. You're right in what you're saying but right now it's not confirmed canon at all and seems much more likely that it will be completely removed from canon when kojima wants to make an actual metal gear solid game set after 4.
This. I heard good things and wanted to see the story through to the end, but I actually did stop playing. Not because of some moral ground (how would that even make sense in the story? the protag just goes "nope" and starts jogging his way back to America?), but because it was a boring cover shooter. I don't want to be some great hero, I want to complete the challenges of the game and play through to the end.
It's the same thing for Hotline Miami. It's fun not because I enjoy killing people, but because I enjoy mastering navigation of the space and use of the items given.
>Game allows you to be genre savvy and do shit either off of good predictive skills or foreknowledge with a second playthrough.
Deus Ex is the first example that comes to mind, seeing as you can kill Anna Navarre on the plane if you want. Same with Maggie Chow.
>Meryl "Man Face" Silverburgh
She would've been alright if she actually looked like this in MGS4, but she didn't.
Sniper Wolf>Naomi>Meryl>Mei Ling
EVA? THE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOREEE BLEEEEEEEEEEEEGHHHH
>grown up sunny with old snake
>snakes been dead for years by this point
>MGR isnt even canon
What the fuck am i looking at? This is pure pedo sensationalism, she was 10 when she knew snake.
Maggie Chow was slightly dumb. I wanted to drop a body from her penthouse, so i killed her and dropped her body, but the moment i started shooting MJ12 came out
So i knew she was working with them when i loaded and played seriously for no reason other that stupid childish needs to play with physics
>MGR isn't canon
Not this shit again.
MGR is basically Star Wars EU canon in the Lucas era; it's going to be treated as canon until Kojima wants to do something that contradicts it, then it isn't canon.
I don't even understand your post. Just making sure you knew that MGR has never been stated to be canon by Kojima and it's never in any of his series compilation pictures along with every other game in the series (except portable ops which has been confirmed non-canon)
I just went to the second floor and tried to hack into the PC-shit-something in one of the rooms, I saw the MJ12 logo and killed everyone.
Not to mention that fucking sound from the motion detectors and the troops coughing.
Dont you guys see that Hotline Miami is the refutation and deconstruction of Spec Ops: The Line?
Its basically saying "Killing people in Video Games is fun. Get over it you crying blubbering hippy faggots." and I fucking love it for that.
Because canonicity works like Ace Attorney, noncanon till proved otherwise.
It's not like japan doesn't even have the same concept as canon as we do anyway or something. Because oh shit, they don't.
Nope, it's non canon. Only Kojima decides, and until he says its canon it's not canon. That's how things work I'm afraid.
he's never going to say its canon because he's definitely going to release a MGS4 sequel during that time period and he had next to no involvement with MGR and disliked how a lot of the game turned out. People always ask him if its canon and he never answers. I wonder why kek.
You gave her a dishonorable death.
Still don't know what you're on about.
I'm saying MGR isnt canon because kojima has never said it is. It sounds like you're agreeing with me but also sounds like you're being passive aggressive so I'm confused.
She calls you when you enter then snowfield to reveal herself like a retard.
>with the Nikitas.
You're a fucking nigger, that fight is easy with PSG1, anyway.
Especially when Snake is so hardcore that he can do a 360nosc0pe and kill the best sniper in the world.
Your post implied that I was saying something I wasn't. Because you have no reading comprehension. That's why you're caliming my post made no sense, because you're an ignoramus.
>Only Kojima decides, and until he says its canon it's not canon.
In 2012 at Konami's E3 discussions, they said it would be canon at the point it was Rising rather than Solid.
Unless you have an occasion where Kojima said it wasn't canon anymore, I'm going to go with that.
Jesus, with your awful reading comprehension I wouldn't be shocked if you claimed it was noncanon even if he said otherwise outright.
Japan rarely uses canon in the same way we do, ever. They use "official". It's a different concept.
And claiming anything must be something unless said otherwise tends to be a stupid outlook for most anything.
Sorry you're wrong, but could you stop being as butthurt about it, you've no argument at all. Do you just assume things are things without needing proof or clarification? You obviously don't understand how facts work in general. Nothing is true until confirmed.
Not Kojima so you're disproving absolutely nothing. I know that the guys trying to sell the game are vaguely claiming its canon. Fucking play the game it's ridiculous, of course it's not canon.
Because Kojima is going to let them say that without his go ahead?
Or, at the least, he wouldn't contradict them if he disagreed?
>Fucking play the game it's ridiculous, of course it's not canon.
Oh, so you're a headcanon type. You don't like where the story went, so you'll make a million excuses as to why it's not canon.
> Best sniper in the world
> Shows half her body when in cover
> Takes an age to shoot
> Sometimes runs with her back turned to you
She's fucking useless. Maybe if she wasn't fucking her dogs she might actually have a clue.
>And claiming anything must be something unless said otherwise tends to be a stupid outlook for most anything.
That's exactly my point you fucking retard. That is exactly what you're doing right now, how can you be so fucking dense
You got it wrong, and you're arguing it's my fault? You don't trust the guy who makes the mistake to be the one to identify or solve it. If you've already admitted you didn't know what the fuck was going on, that's damning enough evidence for my "You're a tool and you have little comprehension of the world around you" theory.
>Boy, everyone who isn't me is so stupid
My philosophy isn't that, so I'm allowed to say what I feel. Your philosophy stands against you stating it must be noncanon. Don't apply your own rules to other people mindlessly.
You think that, I don't. So saying I'm a hypocrite for doing that thing you don't like to do yourself doesn't work, especially right while you're in the middle of doing exactly that.
Yes, you didn't know what I was saying. You admitted your fault. I admit no such thing.
And you haven't explained anything, explaining would require a little more depth than "You moron, its your fault I can't understand shit".
ITT: People argue that things are whatever they think they are because nobody told them otherwise.
You're all fucking retards and MGR isnt canon because Kojima hasnt said it is. He is the creator, he gets the say. So in other words its non-canon unless he says otherwise. That's how IP's work. Half this thread has the mental age of 12
That twist was fucking retarded.
I knew that REX wasn't activated, it obviously didn't move or do anything at all.
I was asking myself why the fuck i was activating it all the time.
Do you blame other people for you being a retard then?
>'HURR DURR CANT READ BECAUSE OF MUH TERRIBLE GRASP OF GRAMMAR?
>YOU MUST BE STOOPID BECAUSE I CAN READ IT JUST FINE
>I CAN READ YOUR GOOD GRAMMAR JUST FINE SO I MUST BE THE SMART ONE
Apparently having 180 IQ makes you a Mary Sue. Ironically, if Snake DID know everything that was going to happen in the plot and would sabotage it, /v/ wouldn't complain about his "stupidity" but about how Mary Sue he was. There is one thing to learn and that is that /v/ is impossible to please.
Amusingly, you haven't complained about having anything new of mine being hard to understand. Did you really just get that hurt when you found out I don't agree with your stupid as fuck hate boner against the current best MG?
It's a game that has the name and was given the go ahead by the licence holder.
That means it's canon by default.
This isn't some unrelated project that has no signs of being of the series or anything.
Well, she's supposed to be the best, I think. Keep in mind that everybody in the MGS universe is a complete retard with poor eyesight.
Also, she manages to capture Solid Snake and Meryl, which is more than the rest of FOXHOUND and their next generation special forces do together.
muh dik when Shak Ti in The Clone Wars had the same voice actress
>Amusingly, you haven't complained about having anything new of mine being hard to understand
Pretty awkward way to express yourself, Anon. Other Anon is really rekking and kekking your shit. Stop trying so hard
Pretty awkward way to admit you have no reading comprehension.
I'd have just admitted it plainly, but I don't need to, being a mature person who doesn't have such embarrassing problems.
Maybe it's just how people who couldn't grasp Rising work.
i watched Escape from New York the other day with friends, we spent all our time making Metal Gear jokes
I motherfucking love PW
We will probably get a remake of the first two MSX games as part of the phantom pain, where the player has to kill Boss after he becomes a villain (unrevealed part of the MGSV map = Outer Heaven in Afrrica)
Too bad it was basically just a bad remake because they had to reuse so many elements of the first film. They could've made more movies otherwise, Snake Plissken is a great action character.
We can only hope, but it doesn't seem very probable at the moment.
But you never know with Kojima.
You missed the point. You were supposed to know that they were civilians.
It was about how soldiers do terrible things in war "because I had to" or "MUH orders". You know what you were doing was wrong, but you did it anyway because you were told to.
>Liquid and Ocelot see Snake and shoot the card out of his hands
>"HAHA! We showed him! Now, let's abandon this room with the deactivation modules and leave the door open with no security because Snake will NEVER EVER get back to "disarm" Metal Gear
It felt so obvious
Goddamn it, if Kojima didn't tell the devs to redo the cutscenes to be MGS3/4 tier ridiculous, Twin Snakes would be like my perfect game
>Actually challenging AI
>First person shooting
>Ability to shoot cameras
>Better enemy placements
But no. Despite being perfect in most ways, they completely dropped the ball by turning Snake in to Gray Fox
Adachi is the killer.
Surely Snake is canon superior to Gray Fox so it makes sense that'd he'd be a bit flippy. I'm not condoning that doorway backflip but otherwise, I'm not sure there's a problem.
There's a bit flippy, and I can see what they were going for. They were looking to make Twin Snakes fit in line with MGS2/3 in that the characters are a bit more super human, and since Snake was the greatest soldier who ever lived, they had to make it seem like Snake in his prime was an absolute force of nature.
Kicking off a missile and making a mad run at Metal Gear REX for no reason is where I draw the line, though
I always hated this so much. Why the fuck does Liquid betray his own squad like that?
There's literally no reason for them to go 1vs1 against Snake and without even the intention of killing him.
Wolf, Raven and Octopus died for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
And then what? Do nothing with REX until the higher ups realize that it's a bluff and just send in the army?
Snake, when he's first confronted with REX, decides the best course of action is to run as fast as he can and jump at the Radome, without a weapon in his hand
The only reason all this is fresh in my memory is I played the Twin Snakes drinking game on the weekend with my friends. Every time Snake does something outrageous, you down your drink. And holy fuck, we were hammered by the Communications Tower
>And then what? Do nothing with REX until the higher ups realize that it's a bluff and just send in the army?
Pretty much. It wasn't a very well thought out plan, but I guess with Liquid disguised as Miller they could control the situation a lot easier so it wouldn't have come to that. They also had Gurlugovich's army and all their equipment there
>great game 9/10, shows big boss establishing outer heaven and all that shit
>credits are rolling
>the usual post-credits call happens
>it's big boss telling snake infor about operation intrude N313
>game cuts to solid snake infiltrating outer heaven
>theme of tara kicks in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW0BurBNB58
>snake takes off his oxygen mask
>david hayter: "kept you waiting, huh?"
Reminder that this is cannon until Kojima retcons it.
You're a fucking Moron. Kojima will not make another Solid game in the post MGS4 timeline. The only Solid games he will make (if any) are a remake of MG1,2 &MGS1, a WW2 game with the Boss or a game in between MGS1 & 2.
WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH
Noy only that, but he also bothers to hop on an HIND to try and murder you, manages to lose and almost get killed, for no apparent reason...
Because Kojima is a faggot with a hard-on for Big Bossu.