>Ridley is too big for smash and cant be shrunk
>He was just inches taller than Samus in Metroid 1
What about Ridley in Super Metroid?
What do you know, he is big as shit.
Let's go on to Metroid Fusion, what do you know? Ridley is big as shit.
Let's go on to Zero Mission, behold, Ridley is big as shit.
Explain this OP.
Yes he was bigger in Brawl.
But you can't tell me if you made him a bit taller than in this pic he wouldn't be a fine addition and represent Ridley just fine.
Oh look, Ridley in Metroid Prime was big as shit.
Metroid Prime 3, he was big enough for Samus to fit in his mouth.
Metroid other M, Ridley is big enough to easily Grab samus.
>Mario & Bowser size compare pic
BTFO Anti-Ridleyfags, game over
Even in subspace Emissary, the nigga is big as shit.
That's not even an actual model, that's just 3 seconds of an intro, but I'll give you that, now you have the Metroid 1 size and the Melee opening vs all the other Metroid games that are more than 2 where Ridley is big as fuck.
>Nah hes in a pirate facility somewhere being rebuilt
Tell me where because last time i checked, the Space pirate homeworld is now under GFed control, Zebes is vaporized, SR388 is also vaporized
Face it, there are no more space pirates
>literally proving that Ridley's size can change to whatever it needs to be
I'm failing to see the problem
>literally proving that aside from one exception Ridley has been universally too big to fight on equal ground as a Smash character
How do you even manage to be this fucktarded?
Why people even want Ridley in the game?
He would be unplayable if you want to keep his moveset loyal to its series and scaling him down is stupid since the infame of the Metroid bosses are being big and threatening
The worst part, PEOPLE STILL HAVE HOPES FOR HIM TO BE IN DESPITE HE WAS FUCKING DECONFIRMED IN THE PRE-E3 SMASH DIRECT
>literally proving that Ridley's size can change to whatever it needs to be
>No variation between big and small
>Only one representation of him not being fuckhuge
>The only change is that he goes from huge to fuckhuge
>lel i don't see the problem
>people point to Bowser being larger than life outside of Smash
>b-but Bowser can change size!
>OP shows that Ridley can too
I'm not even a Ridleyfag. This "2big" meme is just embarrassing at this point
Bowser's entire fucking thing is that he can change size in canon, he does it all the fucking time with magic. He's also a very easy model to scale, and has several more appearances than Ridley does where he's closer to Mario's height.
Fucking Ridleyfag "logic", ignore all common sense and spout bullshit to look smart when really you're just shooting yourself in the foot and showing that you don't know jack shit.
Bowser wasn't even that big. And Sakurai could easily make it work. He's Sakurai.
Fuck, they could make him as tall as Bowser and it'd still work.
Bowser's size has been all over the place throughout the Mario series, yet when it comes to Ridley he's TOO BIG.
Why? What makes Ridley special?
Olimar is tiny in comparison to WHAT. As far as we know
is correct. The point is Olimar's scale in comparison to other Smash characters was never nailed down before Smash started and he's an incredibly simple model to scale up or down.
Ridley can't change size as a power of him, Bowser has that power.
Ridley have always been to big and the OP only show that he goes from big to huge with ONE game being an exception.
Bowser can change size in-canon using magic though you autist. Ridley's size only changed because the NES was too limited to do huge complex models, and Zero Mission retconned him being tiny out. Learn your shit before you open your mouth.
>He's also a very easy model to scale
You probably thought ice climbers would never make it too didnt you.
>has several more appearances than Ridley does where he's closer to Mario's height
>metroid has 7-8 games
>mario has 40+ games with bowser in them and in almost every one outside sports and racing hes fuckhuge
NO FUCKING WAY
Why have been Ridleyfags so vocal now? They were not as annoying When Melee or Brawl were at this stage.
Well at least Genofags finally died.
>Sakurai can do things that go against the basic rules of game design!
Shut the fuck up you actual retard.
Ridley's model is very large and very complicated, especially with his wings and tail. To try to make a character model large enough to accomodate that would either make the character useless because of having a massive hitbox, or disgustingly ugly because of clipping issues, or both.
Holy shit I am so glad everyone on /v/ is too pathetic to ever try and make their own games, the market would be flooded with toxic shit if that ever happened.
Literally every single sports/kart racer spinoff and the majority of the 2D games. It's pretty evident you've never actually played Mario games.
>b-b-but muh canons
Olimar's not to scale either guys. And yet, he doesn't have the power to change in Pikmin canon either.
>before you open your mouth
I'm typing retard
Just wanted to let you guys know, Sakurai is throwing us some subtle hints in his trailers, and well...
>not understanding idioms
And again, the problem is with Ridley's overly complex model being difficult to scale down without destroying decent hitboxing or clipping issues. You Ridleyfags are the ones who brought Olimar and Bowser into it, so you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
>People not using their gaming part of their noggin
Ridley will be in
>Well at least Genofags finally died
>ridleys too complex
So thats all you have for an arguement?
Outside of his tail hes completely fine.
Have it stay low and then most players cant punish him 24/7, only downward attacks could hit it OR have it coiled up a little bit. Would be EASY
The problem isn't actually the size, it's the complexity of the model. Ridley is huge because he NEEDS to be huge for his design to work, otherwise it would look like unfinished shit with clipping out the ass and terrible animations.
>thinking I'm a Ridleyfag
So let's assume for a moment that he gets confirmed, and none of your poppycock "problems" are present in the game. What do you do? Do you shitpost with even more fervor? Do you leave /v/ in shame forever? Do you just end your existence?
Gee, I wonder why no fighting game EVER has used large, complex character models scaled down to fit other fighters? I wonder why all of the huge characters in MvC2/3 are chunky as shit?
Maybe it's because you're a fucktard who doesn't know what he's talking about? Probably. Show me ONE Ridley design that doesn't look like shit and isn't too large to fit. Just try. I'm sure you can do it, since apparently you know more than any fighting game developer ever!
>autists flood Sakurai with death threats and complaints that Ridley is "too fucking big" and will "never EVER work"
>/v/ collapses on itself
>Big Show is too big to be in the next WWE game.
Hes skinny. With his wings hes as wide as bowser.
The tail that I ALREADY COVERED is the only problem
>hurr sakurai cant figure out a tail
Have you seen some other characters? Ice climbers were NEVER gonna make it then they did.
No, because Olimar's already in the game and works.
Now, if he wasn't in the game, and people were speculating for him, autists would be screaming "Olimarfags are retarded! Olimar is too small! His character model would look awkward upsized!"
Actually no, the little nigga is smaller than a Duracell battery.
>But that could be a planet full of giants who have also invented batteries and also have a brand called Duracell
>everybody wants a fuck huge Ridley
>nobody wants a fuck huge pig Ganon
>>ridleys too big!
>bowser is big too
>>ridley doesnt change size in canon!
>olimar doesnt either
>>we dont know olimars size!!
>sure we do, also pikachu isnt to scale either
>>HES TOO COMPLEX IT WONT EVER WORK!!!
I would cry if he was revealed.
>yfw its the albw monstrosity
His wings are also too much of a problem since they need to animate and then they'd be clipping through everything.
To work, Ridley as already shown in this thread would have to be at least as large as Bowser, and that's still a fucking terrible rendition of the character. AND his wings, tail, limbs etc all need to animate outwards. His hitbox would be absolutely fucked and considering Bowser is already almost too large to fit under some platforms, a Ridley model with outward extending limbs would be fucked.
So to do proper justice to the character, it's only feasible if you make him significantly larger than the rest of the roster. At which point he's nonviable. Making the character a boss works so much better, but of course Ridleyfags don't actually give a shit about the Metroid series' representation and just want to circlejerk.
And you still haven't provided an example of a decently downscaled Ridley model, so keep shitposting.
>ignoring the point that Olimar's model is extremely simple to upscale
>ignoring the point that Olimar had never been placed side by side with a Smash character before and confirmed a scale
Ridley was small in Metroid because hardware restrictions put a limit on the size of each animated sprite. As the power of Nintendo's consoles increased, they were able to portray Ridley as his designers intended.
>B-but Bowser was big in a few games!
If you think Metroid and Mario are at all comparable in tone then you're not worth arguing with. It's implied that Bowser has size-shifting powers, but that doesn't even matter because Mario canon is either non-existent
or so complex that no human could ever understand it. Bowser is also quite chunky, so he looks better scaled down. Ridley's limbs look like brittle spaghetti when you scale him down to Samus's size. Even if you somehow made it look right, he'd still have long, skinny limbs and huge wings, giving him a massive range of attack on top of his Bowser-level size. Either that, or he'd keep his limbs folded close to his body and waddle around like a limp-wristed retard, half-heartedly slapping at his foes. Ridley also has enormous wings and moves by flying, in a game where the objective is to remain standing on a platform without falling off. It's not quite the same as Pit and Kirby, who move primarily by running, with flying as a temporary option. Ridley flies gracefully, and stumbles around awkwardly on land. Destroying his wings is Samus's tactic for greatly weakening him. Do you even want Ridley to be portrayed in his weakest form?
>but of course Ridleyfags don't actually give a shit about the Metroid series' representation and just want to circlejerk
>hurr metroidfags dont give a fuck about their series
>they want a character from their series in smash
>hurr it would be right itll never EVER happen
Its about having villains dude.
We already have Samus and ZSS. We need a villain for them.
I shouldn't have too, this is just common sense man. Do you have problems visualizing things?
Go grab an NES sprite and upsize it in MSPaint. It still looks fine. Then go grab a PS1 sprite and upsize it. It still looks fine.
Then do the same with downsizing. Complex images/models look like shit when downsized. This is especially true of models in a 3D space.
>ignoring the point that Olimar had never been placed side by side with a Smash character before and confirmed a scale
Olimar is smaller than a HUMAN BRANDED battery. The smash characters ARE FIGURES. Little toys in a toy box. Olimar is still 10 times smaller.
1) Because Assist Trophy
2) Could happen in another Smash, this gal is basically Mother Brain in a human body with wacky psychic powers.
Provide image or gtfo
Confirmed for not knowing jack shit about Metroid. Thank you for confirming my point.
Do you know exactly WHY Metroid villains do not speak, and only very rarely emote? It's because Metroid is about recreating a sense of alien isolation. One of the main inspirations for the series was Alien, in the first place.
Metroid does not need a villain rep because Samus is the ONLY CHARACTER that matters. NOBODY else is supposed to have Player Agency. That's a lot of the reason why Nintendo ignores Prime, they don't see it as creatively on the right track. I disagree with them on that, but it's a pretty fucking basic staple of the series that Ridley, Mother Brain, Kraid, etc. are all just obstacles for Samus to fight against, NOT characters.
So yes, you know absolutely jack shit about Metroid if you think Ridley as a playable character is a good representation of the series.
Really? no shit sherlock, thanks for figuring that out for us
>being this assmad
Annnd the final product will look like shit when limited to a 2D plane. Thanks armchair game designer!
>doesn't have a tail
>wings would clip through head-height platforms
>tail cannot stay in that position when he walks so how are you going to animate it?
>again those fucking wings holy shit how are you even going to manage that jesus fuck
You're just making my arguments for me now man
Literally only the NES size is scalable and that only exists because of limitations. It's also a fucking disgusting sprite.
So you'd rather see Sakurai shit all over a character and have him be playable, than have him be a boss that actually represents his series well?
You're a fucking moron then.
Am I the only one here actually satisfied with cool reps that didnt make the cut getting AT's and stage bosses? Hell I would have been happy to see King K Rool as a boss in SSE if they weren't going to have him playable just because he is a fun villain to watch in action with all of his different incarnations
Yup, the Feds some how squeezed a Chozo super computer that needed a room all to it's self into a human sized android despite not being able to figure out any Chozo tech before.
Give me one example where Sakurai has just shat all over a character's design
>tail literally disappears into the model of the body
>W-W-WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE'S NO CLIPPING
>Ridley's wings are several feet above Bowser's head
>W-W-WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RIDLEY ALWAYS HAS SMALL WINGS
>shulk gets announced
>trailer doesnt end
>King K Rool bust out onto the field
>Ridley flys in
>new game mode announced
5 player mode, boss characters are now playable on the gamepad as they try to foil 4 other players as they attempt to conquer a stage and reach the boss for an all out brawl
Yeah, and posting complete nonsensical shit that doesn't make any logical sense makes that guy look like a huge faggot. So I'm just appealing to my audience here.
The model YOU posted, along with
All have fucking huge wings. You are actually retarded.
>mfw ridley has tiny wings
I never really knew
Look again at the Super Metroid sprite, his wings are nearly the size of Samus' whole body and Samus is roughly 6'5". They're only small because he has a fucking massive and complex body sprite.
>Taller than Bowser
>Wings would clip through platforms
>Tail would either reach super far behind him, giving him a retardedly long hitbox, or just look tacky
>Ridley dashing would take up half of Battlefield
>WINGS WOULD CLIP THROUGH PLATFORMS
I think Sakurai would have thought about that part. There's no way we're getting a midget Ridley unless they reveal a new Metroid game with midget Ridley
>2 small wings pictures vs 8 gigantic wings pictures
God fucking damn it I wish you fuckers would take this shit to /vg/ where it belongs
seriously why do we need 20 fucking threads about the same game
something needs to be done OR IM GONNA LOSE IT
Clipping and animation problems anon, clipping and animation problems. Ridley's sprite/model is big and lanky and fucked up with limbs and wings jutting out at every angle. When those limbs and wings and tails and knobbly bits don't have ROOM to jut out everywhere, they start clipping into fucking everything.
And then when you start making him walk/run/fly the problems becomes exponentially worse.
Compared to a basic blocky model like Bowser's, whose limbs all go to one point and then stop and who isn't crinkled up like tinfoil, it would be MUCH more difficult to make a working Ridley model.
Which isn't to say it literally cannot be done - although nobody has ever created a model that WORKS - but it drives home the point that Ridley works best, both thematically and from a design view, as a bigass Dragon boss for Samus et al to fight as he flies around wreaking havoc, not a scrawny lizard suffering from scoliosis.
Firstly let's be honest, Ridley was tiny in Metroid 1 because the NES had limitation, due to a big game, Ridley was small to fit the art style etc. Which is why his very next appearence in Super Metroid was huge, and keeping a similar size in Fusion and Zero Mission
But on the flip side, Smash scales characters to fit the scene, so whatever. But my point is don't try to be all
>he was small in metroid 1 _that's_ why he'll get in!
size has nothing to do with it
Right, but not disgusting amounts of clipping through every single piece of scenery.
But shrinking a 3D MODEL from a game like Other M WOULDN'T WORK, as we've already stated, BECAUSE HIS WINGS ARE TOO FUCKING LARGE.
This is a prime example of Ridleyfag logic, they're so fucking contrarian and just outright stupid that they run in circles and end up defeating themselves.
this is an EVERY DAY FUCKING THING
you smash fags are literally fucking cancer. reveal or not the amount of concurrent threads at any given time on /v/ is outrageous. shit like this is the reason /v/ was split in the first place.
Alright mate lets see an animated scaled down Ridley model that doesn't clip through everything and looks decent.
Project M I believe tried it, and you know the results? HORRIFIC CLIPPING AND ANIMATION, on top of the character model looking like actual human shit.
And, fuck me, that was a Charizard reskin. So using actual fucking resources IN THE GAME still produces vomit-worthy results.
So that would somehow magically make a model already shown to be too large and too complex just.. not clip?
You've really convinced me this time anon.
Literally only Pit, and in this instance, Ike. For fuck's sake they've been using Twilight Princess Link for years now even when that game is no longer relevant.
But anon! All scaling is is just linear reduction in size, like all the other Ridleyfags have claimed! It's so fucking easy, Sakurai and everyone else with a computer can do it there's no complexity to it that would make this model not viable at all! - actual retards ITT.
Ridleyfags defeat themselves once again.
>that inch-thin neck
>that GET DOWN animation
Ridleyfags want this. Ridleyfags actually want this. They want Ridley to be tiny and cute. They want to humiliate Ridley. They're not his fans. They don't like Ridley at all. They hate him.
Average Ridleyfags do not care at all about Metroid's representation. They don't even like Ridley as a character, because AS A CHARACTER Ridley is literally nothing more than a BOSS FIGHT.
I don't know what the fuck they want really, or why they care so much for their arbitrary bullshit. They're the hipsters of Smash, they've clung to this SO HIP RETRO character despite clearly know fucking nothing about the franchise, as they'll readily demonstrate.
The real reason why Ridley will never be in smash is because there is literally nothing you can do to make him unique. He would just be a charizard clone.
stay with me anon
They'll do the much easier, much more fitting thing they already have precedence doing, which is making the giant complex model a BOSS.
Because at the end of the day nobody's going to put in tons of work on something very difficult that will inevitable end up being a completely shit product, if they can get around it.
I love how Ridleyfags immediately assume Sakurai and the smash team are totally doing their damndest to make Ridley playable despite the fact that he has always been a boss and so far has continued to be teased as a boss.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS
ABANDON THE THREAD OR ABANDON ALL DELUSIONS OF CONTROL
RIDLEYFAGS FROM THIS POINT ON ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR SHIT AS THE ULTIMATE FACT OF REALITY IS BROUGHT BEFORE THEM
NO AMOUNT OF DELUSIONS, SHITPOSTING OR MENTAL GYMNASTICS CAN DEFEAT THIS AND SO THE RIDLEYFAGS WILL FRENZY, DEVOURING THEMSELVES AS THEY DESPERATELY SEEK REFUGE FROM REALITY
YOU HAVE DESTROYED THIS THREAD ANON. GODSPEED.
>Average Ridleyfags do not care at all about Metroid's representation. They don't even like Ridley as a character, because AS A CHARACTER Ridley is literally nothing more than a BOSS FIGHT.
>I don't know what the fuck they want really, or why they care so much for their arbitrary bullshit. They're the hipsters of Smash, they've clung to this SO HIP RETRO character despite clearly know fucking nothing about the franchise, as they'll readily demonstrate.
This is seriously the most fucking retarded post I've ever fucking read.
No, he's been teased as an equivalent to Yellow Devil, who's a stage hazard, so HOLY SHIT Ridley's not even going to be a boss at this point. Hahahaha Ridleyfags blowing themselves the fuck out.
>n-no guys, you can't shrink him down! i-it won't work because of his body structure!
Because they're teasing Ridley's appearance as a boss?
I don't know if you know this, but Sakurai isn't in touch with the Smash community at all. He probably thinks people are gonna get hyped to see Ridley as a boss
They did show his model you fucktard. They showed the shadow and the tip of his tail from the Other M design, and then said "OF COURSE, OTHER BOSS CHARACTERS WILL APPEAR" in reference to Yellow Devil being a stage boss.
Ridleyfags ignoring reality as usual.
Since this is about Smash, how about a Super Smash Bros. YouTube Poop?
>tail unintentionally enters the video in a few frames
>THEY TOTALLY SHOWED HIS WHOLE MODEL YOU DUM DUM
You being fucking stupid dense retard going through mental gymnastics again.
>Ridley was small once
>Ridley now ranges from pretty big to REALLY big
>Th-there's no way they can make him small again!
Don't even want Ridley, just love picking apart stupid arguments.
WHAT A LITTLE BITCH, HE PROBABLY COULDN'T EVEN TAKE THREE MISSILES!
Sakurai is not some epic troll like you make him out to be. There's only been one example of him "trolling" and that was him telling a joke; every other time is you just misinterpreting him so you can justify your delusions of Ridley being playable.
How am I doing mental gymnastics? You said they didn't show his model even though you can see his model. It fucking exists, we know it does, we can guess as to the size and such
>it was unintentional they totally couldn't have redone the shot or anything and they totally weren't meaning to tease the character
this is almost as bad as the SAKURAI IS LE EBIN TROLL XD arguments
>Goddesses the size of planets
>Spacemen the size of fleas
>Multiple Landmaster-driving Fox clones
>"Ridley would NEVER work, he's too big and his moves wouldn't be unique!"
Less than nine hours left of this bullshit
Yeah, it totally makes sense that they would go back to an old design that was only used once and has been outdated for 28 years just so they can have him playable in Smash.
>thinking Ridley of all characters is going to be revealed
Nigger if they DID have Ridley as playable they'd wait to show him until something came up about new Metroid Games, not a completely arbitrary date
>they didn't show his model even though you can see his model. It fucking exists, we know it does
That's the point you fucking goddamned dense mongoloid. He chose to not fucking show the model. I never fucking said it didn't exist. You're going through mental gymnastics by saying he did fucking show the model because there's a few frames with the wing showing.
Nah man, when Ridley gets shown as a boss every Ridleyfag will switch sides to save face and the argument will die immediately. Then it will come back in a few years.
If Ridley does get playable it's gonna be a nightmare because it'll be half the ARfags simply saying 'oh wow sakurai did better than we expect' and half of them going full on Admiral Autism the Hunt for Red Oktober mode.
So I guess it's a toss-up between a meltdown now or a meltdown later.
>Ridley will only be confirmed if X=Z and Y is confirmed on W date
Why is this even an argument? I remember when you guys were claiming Yoshi was going to be announced with the release of New Island, Ike was confirmed cut due to Awakening, etc.
It literally never adheres to this strange Nintendo PR Conspiracy logic that you guys can't seem to fucking let go of. Tomorrow's reveal can be absolutely anyone and you know it.
you can see his fucking model
in fact they made sure to show the part of the model that helps us confirm that it is OM Ridley, the tail spear.
You are getting so goddamn buttflustered over this and spewing 'mental gymnastics' when you clearly don't know what it means. Calm your shit son and try to make your statement more clear.
Hard to ruin models that are just basic humanoids but hunched over
You're a fucking retard. Hint: none of those are any different from Ridley. And they were shown front and center as non-playable with no problem.
But no, Sakurai is totally le epic troll guys.
Its because Ridley is clearly in the game in some manner whether its a boss or as a playable character.
his trophy wasnt shown but an actual moving model unless you can think of another metroid character that has ridley's exact shape and color of claws
>you can see his fucking model
Can you fucking read you stupid piece of shit? When the fuck did I say there was no model? I said he decided to not fucking show it clearly. Like he did with fucking every other character deconfirmation.
when has he ever not shown the model of a Playable character?
When they first showed off Yellow Devil they didn't say fully what he was, and only confirmed he was a stage boss later. In Ridley's case he's basically doing the same thing, teasing a stage boss but not fully showing how he works in the stage itself.
So basically there's no precedent either way for the hidden model. So ignore that and focus on the fact that he was shown when Sakurai was specifically talking about stage bosses.
there is no 'if'
He literally WAS talking about boss characters when the Ridley model was on-screen
there is no element of vagueness or ambiguity there
stop using mental gymnastics, you don't know what that phrase means
He's bastardized because physically dwarfing the protagonist is one of his key attributes. It works for the other big characters because they still tower over their respective adversaries. I'm impartial to Ridley being in or out, as long they give him an enjoyable moveset and model him off the source material. I would not be ok with using toddler Ridley just to appeal to a vocal minority.
At this point I just want Ridley because he's the only first party character remaining that would actually get a big reaction.
/v/ would be completely destroyed. The internet in general would explode. It would be
>sakurai has been teasing Ridley for eleven fucking months
>he had the opportunity to show us Ridley and absolutely-without-a-doubt confirm him as a boss almost 335 times by now
>he had the opportunity to put the pyrosphere in the tournament or demos
>he hasn't done either of these
>meanwhile he just drops skull kid, wonder red, ashley, dark samus, waluigi, etc. like he doesn't give a fuck
If I was Sakurai, I'd add Ridley to the roster as a "fuck you". I'd make him actual size, give him all of his boss attacks, infinite flight, and make him break the game in the most devastating ways imaginable. Then I'd tweet "do you rike it?" and Ridleyfags would finally be forced to admit that their stupid dragon mancrush is TOO. FUCKING. BIG.
Ridley works best as a Boss character.
It would be unbalanced as fuck
>Huge as fuck, lots of power, incredibly fast an agile
It was always meant to be a boss, GET OVER IT.
If anything we need more bosses instead of another adventure mode like SSE. With Shulk confirmed, we got a large pool of Boss characters to choose from.
>skull kid, wonder red
Skull kid effect fucking sucks, possibly the most disappointing assist trophy since Ow the Edge.
Wonder Red should have been a character along waluigi, but then again I understand why they were cut...there should be a Wondeful 101 stage though. I mean fucking electroshit got one in brawl.
It doesn't fucking matter whether Ridley gets in or not because he WILL get in no matter what you fucking haters say.
You may have won the game of smash but we have won the game of life you fucking losers.
But only if we get Robo-ass Fiora as an Assist Trophy at the very LEAST.
All games need Female Robo-Ass.
You are not understanding. This is the hypothetical situation where Sakurai made Olimar half of the size of the stage, and Olimarfags are forced to admit that he is too fucking big because of a poor implementation by the developers.
>And all veterans are considered new comers to the new game.
>No one wants Shulk, another sword user.
I am sure Sakurai is trying to make him work without looking stupid, hell he made dumb shit like Ice Climbers and the Wii Fit trainer work well. At the end of the day he probably thinks he is more fitting as a boss.
Describe how Little Mac could be well implemented. He only punches.
Anything is possible, I don't personally have to prove that he would work, only that he would if the developers decided to do it.
>Implying it wouldnt just be Ridley vs Ridley mirror matches
>Super Smash Ridley 4
>Next Metroid game is Other Ridley
>Shiggy makes a New Super Ridey series
>It is now the year of Ridley
>Dr. Ridley is the best puzzle game of our time
Put a poll on the Nintendo website with two questions:
>Do you like Ridley?
>Do you think Ridley should be removed from the roster of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS?
Only when I've received a few million votes saying "yes" for both questions will I patch Ridley out of the game and make it playable.
>"b-but he's a humanoid character! it still makes sense if they alter his size!"
>New Super Ridley Series
>Ridley gets the Mega Mushroom
>character whose special ability is punching
>somehow hard to implement in a fighting game
What are you even trying to say? I'd implement him by putting him in the game and having him punch other characters while not taking up half of the stage.
So you understand that they can implement anyone, even Ridley. Ridley actually does things in the games you know.
It's much less difficult to implement him than a yellow ball that only eats things, but they did that.
>People calling "Too big" a meme
That's a joke, right? Is common sense and rational arguments epic memes now? Poe's Law has taken over and I can't tell if you people are yanking my chain or are actual mental retards.
Maybe have him fold in his wings unless flying?
I'm pretty new to these "lol ridleyfags" arguments, but really the anti-ridley shitposters aren't convincing me in the slightest [see >>253058908 ].
Olimar is quite small and they scaled him up heaps. Obviously changing the size of characters to fit the game isn't a problem for Smash.
That said, I don't think Ridley will happen in this iteration anyway because the developers don't know about any demand for him?
I would like him to be in and have space pirates with TUUBES as an ability but know it's unlikely, Shulk or whatever his name is was apparently the likely newcomer
YOU CAN FUCKING SEE HIS MODEL
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT
YOU CAN SEE HIM
THEY DELIBERATELY ALLOW YOU TO SEE HIM
HOLY FUCK HOW DO YOU EVEN MANAGE TO BE THIS GODDAMN DENSE
If they can resize Ganon, and resize Olimar, you have precedent for resizing Ridley.
If the wings are what makes him too big, just have them fold in while not in flight [that could be a weakness to balance him out: big hitbox while in the air].
I see no problem here. Although, as I said, I still doubt he'll be included.
People are still arguing about Ridley?
God, you people need to get a hobby.
Why not just make his tail and wings unhittable? Hitbox concerns addressed. Have them get knocked out of the way of attacks or something. I mean, tails lash about all the time. Shit's gotta be hard to hit anyway. Same with the wings. Have them furl up to avoid attacks/platforms so there's no clipping issue.
It's not like they have to be static. They can open up where there's room and furl down where there's not, and they can lash about to avoid attacks so that they don't have to be part of the hitbox.
They scale easily because they are more or less human. Ridley's wings, tail, and possibly neck wouldn't scale properly to fit the sizes of the other fighters. You could alter those things, but it'd look really awkward on a model that's accustomed to those things at their original size.
>YOU CAN FUCKING SEE HIS MODEL
>YOU CAN SEE HIM
>THEY DELIBERATELY ALLOW YOU TO SEE HIM
unless he thinks that little visible part in the direct counts as seeing his model, which is completely incorrect
the little part you are seeing IS PART OF THE FUCKING MODEL
You can see his model well enough to know that it is in fact Other M Ridley. I don't even know what point you're trying to go on about but whatever it is you'd have to be retarded to understand it at this point so whatever.
>Because they would still clip through goddamn everything
How? The whole point is that if the game detects a clip it runs an animation where the clipping limb recoils from the clip. It can obviously be done - you see it in FPS games occasionally where if you're too close to the wall your character puts his gun up so it doesn't poke through said wall. I think ARMA does it?
>he never furls his wings
I imagine that probably at least once in his life Ridley has furled his wings.
holy shit why are people who don't want Ridley in the game so insanely pissed off?
Metroid fans aren't a minority either, it's one of the more recognizable series.
>thing that he never does
But he does fold in his wings?
Here's the ridley Melee cameo, taken from the wiki, to help you understand why it's perfectly fine to add him. See look, even with his wings extended he's roughly Bowser-sized.
Does anybody else think he looks like Spyro kind of
>writing an entire bunch of code and creating dynamic animations for one fucking character who's too goddamn big
And Bowser is already almost clipping through platforms anyways. Jesus fuck man at this point there's no goddamn reason to make him playable, you're illustrating everything wrong with a playable Ridley model on your own.
>Metroid fans aren't a minority either, it's one of the more recognizable series.
Ridleyfags are this delusional.
If it was so perfectly fine to use him then why didn't they? Why did they make him a boss character with a much larger model?
Maybe because making a five second FMV animation is much easier than dynamic game animations and you don't have any clue what you're talking about.
part of the model, a miniscule path at that, does not in any way equal seeing the entire model. and since we know that sakurai has no problem with editing characters and combining different designs, nobody knows for sure what ridley will look like until we see the whole model, or at least much more than we've already seen. I shouldn't have to explain this
There were objections about clipping and hitboxes. I addressed them. That's the extent of my involvement. I'm not going to argue about the commercial viability of catering to Ridleyfags because I have no clue and don't care.
I just saw people complaining about clipping and hitboxing and offered my suggestion as how to fix those issues. If you want to get into a shitfight over whether Ridleyfags are a minority worth catering too then find someone else.
They specifically showed the tail, which is the Other M model And what the fuck are you talking about, Sakurai has been using the goddamn gamecube Twilight Princess designs for years and has only significantly changed Ike's designs.
And all of these designs are finalized well before the game starts development, you're not going to magically end up with some scoliosis midget Ridley when we already know he's using the OM design you autist.
So please explain to me how Metroid isn't a recognisable series with a large fanbase?
>Maybe because making a five second FMV animation is much easier than dynamic game animations
And they made dynamic game animations for him as a boss in Brawl as you said yourself, so dynamic animations aren't a problem.
dude what the anon talking to you originally about was this >>253066849 "they didn't show ridley"
He proved you wrong, they did show Ridley, get over it man
they did not specifically show the tail, they literally showed the tip, quit exagerrating shit. and just because some designs didn't get changed doesn't mean none of them did, even though link is different now than he was in brawl, even if it's still the twilight princess design, so you're wrong about that too. and it doesn't matter that the design is already finalized, since no new games have been released since smash started development, so we're already aware of all the material and both Ridleys he can draw from. you can argue all you want but no, you don't know what Ridleys gonna look like until we finally actually see him
>And they made dynamic game animations for him as a boss in Brawl as you said yourself, so dynamic animations aren't a problem.
Dynamic animations where he could fly around and do whatever the fuck he wanted without fitting inside the restrictions of platforms and hitboxing tardo
>ITT: people not giving convincing arguments as to why he cant be a playable character
>b-but he doesn't scale well
She scales just fine, just trim the wings of have them inward unless he's actually flying. Not that hard. But people will post versions of him with varying scale and pretend this is a fact that he CANNOT be playable.
AntiRidleyfags are the worst.
But anon, the wing hitbox is maybe 1.5x the size of Charizard's at most.
And, as we've said before, changing character size can be done and is not a problem, exemplified in Ganondorf and Olimar.
>well your suggestion was complete shit
I find your argument not at all compelling. From where I stand it seems to address all problems and all you've said is "NO IT WON'T WORK, HE WILL STILL CLIP" with no explanation as to why or how.
And that's because you can't give an explanation, because whether or not my suggestion would work is all down to the execution of the project - something neither of us would be privy to even if such a project existed. The aims of the project are not flawed.
But my suggestion addresses all concerns and is perfectly achievable. The only question is whether it's worth attempting, and that's a question I'm not going to answer.
>here's what Sakurai himself has said and done in the past, this is the precedent
>LOL NO IT FUCKING ISN'T YOU TRIPLE NIGGER YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SAKURAI'S GOING TO DO HURRFFF DURRFFF
Holy shit son go get yourself checked for brain damage
>le >>>/out/ maymay
Oh gee you sure got me man
And unless I'm mistaken you're the same person who said earlier in this very thread that you don't know jack shit about the arguments going on so I can't really help that you don't understand my argument. Try reading the fucking thread maybe?
>what sakurais done in the past
I literally pointed that out earlier your God damn philistine, they still haven't actually shown ridley yet, and he still could've made changes to his model, take your own advice
>they haven't actually shown Ridley yet
yes they have I cannot make this any more clear to you
>he still could've made changes to his model
the designs are finalized months before the game begins development, according to Sakurai himself
Jesus it's like arguing with a five year old. WAAAHHH BUT THEY COULDA CHANGED HIS MODELLLLLL
Ridley is a relevant character to the main series of Metroid.
Geno is a shit character in some stupid ass very obscure Mario title owned by another company.
Genofags are just as bad as Ashleyfags if not more.
>And unless I'm mistaken you're the same person who said earlier in this very thread that you don't know jack shit about the arguments going on
I don't know jack shit about whether or not Ridleyfags are a commercially viable minority to please, and I dare say neither do you. You might guess, but you don't know.
But I do know the argument that I'm addressing, that Ridley's hitbox would be too big and his wings would clip.
The solution then is to not put his tail and wings in a hitbox and use collision detection to make him furl his wings or coil his tail. It's eminently achievable. The fact that you would even deny that it's possible when other games already do this simply as a matter of course suggests to me that this argument has become a point of personal pride for you. So I don't expect to convince you and I don't expect to get anything reasonable out of you henceforth.
However, we all live in hope, so in good faith take this olive branch:
My suggestion is achievable but it may not be worth the effort to achieve, and so we are both in some measure right.
And look, now you can leave the discussion without losing too much face after all. Your precious anonymous internet reputation preserved at last.
>yes they have I cannot make this any more clear to you
sure you can, show me where we saw more than the tip of his tail and his shadow, otherwise no, they haven't shown him yet no matter what you say
>the designs are finalized months before the game begins development, according to Sakurai himself
that's nice, but nowhere does that imply he can't make changes
feel free to continue with the baseless name calling as if it helps your argument, while ironically comparing this to arguing with a five year old
>show me where they showed him other than that time they showed him
that isn't how that works anon
>the designs are finalized. finalized: a noun meaning set in stone or completed
>but that doesn't mean he won't make changes even though it literally does!
Anon go to bed the adults are trying to have a conversation
He says the dailies are not complete. That doesn't mean he's going to make random ass changes, only improvements.
Why would they show unfinished/likely to be completely reworked content in a huge reveal video? Do you know fucking anything about marketing?
yes, and showing the shadow of something is not the same as showing the thing itself. so the better question is, do you?
I never once implied that they're not Ridleys. showing a shadow is still. other showing him though
They showed his shadow and said shadow portrays his size being on par with Bowser. It's a small Ridley but probably the largest character on the roster. Well, if he is on the roster. I'll keep my hopes up that he is. With that unexpected potd, my hopes shot up.
they showed the model
which is the Other M model
which is fucking huge
>imlpying shadows have ever made sense in Smash Bros
I'm serious, go look at the shadows on Brawl and Melee characters. they're wonky as fuck.
showing a shadow is not the same as showing an object. I really don't see how you can't understand this yet feel that you have any room to act condescending
>the designs are finalized. finalized: a noun meaning set in stone or completed
this still doesn't in any way prove that he didn't make changes. if all you got is name calling then I guess this argument is over
you did the meme wrong
Also nobody's being BTFO, the entire OP states that Ridley's size is variable which is actually a pro-ridley argument.
Go and think about your misdeeds.
I don't have a burden of proof because your claim is just wrong. You can't say SHOW ME X BESIDES THE TIME X HAPPENED, that's just fucking laughable. And you keep forgetting they showed the model.
>seeing the tip of the tail means we now know everything there is to know about his model
this is literally what you're saying. showing the tip of a tail is not showing the model. it's showing a part. or hinting at it if you'd prefer
You didn't imply it, you directly said in >>253066849 that they didn't show Ridley.
So if you're saying that the shadow IS his, can you please now admit they showed Ridley?
There's another argument at cross-purposes now saying Ridley would be too big because his shadow shown was too large, so it won't hurt you to admit you're wrong.
Making him smaller will only make him a fucking gay pussy. He needs to be more like Donny Thompson.
I don't get it. "Ridley is too big" is so a meme, this kym article and its appearance in several smash threads proves it. Hell, you have Impact font pictures of the meme in the gallery and epic shops like pic related.
>it's showing a part that is specific to only one existing Ridley model.
which is subject to artistic liberties just like every other character in smash
>A ridley model that is huge
in a game that doesn't give a fuck about scale
If you're this lazy then I'm not even going to bother continuing this conversation. This is the definition of BTFO.
>prove Ridleyfag wrong by posting official Nintendo video
>N-N-NUH UH DOESN'T COUNT DO THESE OTHER THINGS BECAUSE I SAY SO
How about no?
>which is subject to artistic liberties just like every other character in smash
what the fuck are you even trying to say here
>in a game that doesn't give a fuck about scale
Clearly they do since they're making Ridley a boss
I forgot how messy and displeasing he looked in that fan fiction
What the fuck is it about people saying that Ridley could be in Smash that gets you people so bumrumpled? You're like those sandpeople that get pissy over Muhammad being drawn anywhere.
It would only be strawmanning if what I was saying was an exaggeration. That is pretty much exactly what that other poster is saying.
>give us evidence
>NO DOESN'T COUNT DO THIS OTHER THING
>what the fuck are you even trying to say here
sakurai sometimes makes changes to character designs in the game. I didn't think the original statement was that complicated
>Clearly they do since they're making Ridley a boss
apparently they don't since it's already been proven tome and again that ridley is actually smaller this time than he was in brawl. not to mention all the other characters that have been resized
it's only a meme because it got so popular on places that didn't intend for it to be one in the first place.
Whenever one calls it a meme implies that the people who use the logic of the statement are only doing so because it's a popular thing to do, and that they subsequently cannot think for themselves, and that the mentioned logic is nothing more than an appeal to popularity.
There's a reason that "Epic meme bro :^)" is an insult here.
I've already provided you evidence you tard, in what way am I avoiding anything? You're the one avoiding watching the video, and if I posted a screenshot you'd deflect that with your bullshit as well.
fuck bitch hes right that nigga big im out
Literal undeniable proof that ridley is not in the game
You didn't watch the video, you're still posting wrong things despite evidence having already been provided, and you're trying to make people waste their time tracking down more bullshit you won't look at. It's kind of pathetic how entrenched in your own stupidity you are.