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>Ridley is too big for smash and cant be shrunk
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>Ridley is too big for smash and cant be shrunk
>He was just inches taller than Samus in Metroid 1
But wait...
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>>253046919
that card..
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>"my dick isn't that small"
>"his is only inches longer than mine"
But wait...
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...then who was flickering the lights on and off?
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>>253046919
A master is out
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thats a lot more than a few inches
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>>253046919
What about Ridley in Super Metroid?
What do you know, he is big as shit.
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>>253047238

And Zero Mission? Oh look, Ridley is huge.

No one wants Kraid for some weird reason.
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>>253047238
Let's go on to Metroid Fusion, what do you know? Ridley is big as shit.
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>>253046919
thats right all you non-believers, Ridley is confirmed and theres NOTHING you can do about it.
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>>253047420
So, did the Parasite X kill Ridley once and for all?
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>>253047420
Let's go on to Zero Mission, behold, Ridley is big as shit.
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>>253047589

I think it's safe to assume Ridley is dead for good in Fusion.
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>>253047594
Even mecha Ridley is big as shit.
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How can he fly with those tiny ass wings?
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>>253047805
>had to jump slightly to hit his weak point.

That was annoying
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Explain this OP.
Yes he was bigger in Brawl.
But you can't tell me if you made him a bit taller than in this pic he wouldn't be a fine addition and represent Ridley just fine.
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Why don't they add that furry bunny Ridley from Other M to Smash?
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too big
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>>253047805
Oh look, Ridley in Metroid Prime was big as shit.
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>>253048395
Metroid Prime 3, he was big enough for Samus to fit in his mouth.
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>>253048571
Metroid other M, Ridley is big enough to easily Grab samus.
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>>253048352
>Mario & Bowser size compare pic

BTFO Anti-Ridleyfags, game over
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>>253048727
Even in subspace Emissary, the nigga is big as shit.
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>>253048727

But Metroid Other M's Ridley was fucking pants on head retarded.
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Why does Ridley keep coming back while Kraid doesn't?
Why don't people want Kraid in smash instead of Ridley?
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>>253047589
Ridley died during Super, the X is using the corpse of his clone from MOM.
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>size matters in shash
Its like you never played the game.
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>>253049231

Even Phantoon is more relevant than Kraid.
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>>253048727
>quoting youtube celebs
lel
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>>253048123
That's not even an actual model, that's just 3 seconds of an intro, but I'll give you that, now you have the Metroid 1 size and the Melee opening vs all the other Metroid games that are more than 2 where Ridley is big as fuck.
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>>253047390
Because Ridley has appeared in more games and is more of the main villain. Everyone would be fine with Kraid.
Crocomire would be best anyway.
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>>253049595
He looks pretty huge in that picture.
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>>253047589
>ridley
>dead
Nah hes in a pirate facility somewhere being rebuilt
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>>253049595
>disgusting model wider than 2 bowsers
thanks for illustrating our point retard
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>>253049750
>Nah hes in a pirate facility somewhere being rebuilt
Tell me where because last time i checked, the Space pirate homeworld is now under GFed control, Zebes is vaporized, SR388 is also vaporized

Face it, there are no more space pirates
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>>253049879
> What is a Z-Axis
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>>253048969
And he was probably still hella huge in the manga too.
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>>253049739
>>253049879
And why can't that be his gimmick? Make him fuckhuge, give him lots of power, but his giant hitbox makes him easy to hit and KO?
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How does it make you feel that not even Sakurai has an issue with his size.
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>>253046919
>>253047238
>>253047420
>>253047594
>>253047805
>>253048123
>>253048395
>>253048571
>>253048727
>>253048969
>literally proving that Ridley's size can change to whatever it needs to be
I'm failing to see the problem
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You know Olimar is a couple centimeters tall in Pikmin.
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>>253048151
No, Ridley died on that tanker 7 years ago.
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>>253050187
Because...he looks weird like that.
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>>253050249
I think scaling plays a much larger part than actual size. Bowser and Olimar are easily scalable while Ridley is much harder.
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>>253050228
>literally proving that aside from one exception Ridley has been universally too big to fight on equal ground as a Smash character
FTFY
How do you even manage to be this fucktarded?
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>>253050249
T-THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
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>>253050261

But they could just clone a new one like they always do with Ridley.
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>>253050416
Do you even know how big bowser is?
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Why people even want Ridley in the game?
He would be unplayable if you want to keep his moveset loyal to its series and scaling him down is stupid since the infame of the Metroid bosses are being big and threatening

The worst part, PEOPLE STILL HAVE HOPES FOR HIM TO BE IN DESPITE HE WAS FUCKING DECONFIRMED IN THE PRE-E3 SMASH DIRECT
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>>253049542
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>>253050187
Because that doesn't work for Smash AT ALL. They already had to retool Bowser for him to even be playable since that was his gimmick for 2 games.
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>>253050261
The whole thing STANK
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>>253050416
>literally proving that aside from zero exceptions Olimar has been universally too small to fight on equal ground as a Smash character
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>>253050249
What if Olimar is average sized and the planet he goes to is a planet of giants, checkmate atheist.
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>>253049987
We saw other m and fusion. The feds cant be trusted.

Theyll be back somehow.
what if there was a time travel gimmick similar to prime 2 but actually good
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>>253050228
>literally proving that Ridley's size can change to whatever it needs to be

>No variation between big and small
>Only one representation of him not being fuckhuge
>The only change is that he goes from huge to fuckhuge
>lel i don't see the problem
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>>253049542
You're fucking retarded.
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>>253050416
>people point to Bowser being larger than life outside of Smash
>b-but Bowser can change size!
>OP shows that Ridley can too

I'm not even a Ridleyfag. This "2big" meme is just embarrassing at this point
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>Inches taller

Look at how Ridley is hunched over in the original Metroid as well, OP.
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>>253050539
Bowser's entire fucking thing is that he can change size in canon, he does it all the fucking time with magic. He's also a very easy model to scale, and has several more appearances than Ridley does where he's closer to Mario's height.

Fucking Ridleyfag "logic", ignore all common sense and spout bullshit to look smart when really you're just shooting yourself in the foot and showing that you don't know jack shit.
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>>253050578
Bowser wasn't even that big. And Sakurai could easily make it work. He's Sakurai.
Fuck, they could make him as tall as Bowser and it'd still work.
Bowser's size has been all over the place throughout the Mario series, yet when it comes to Ridley he's TOO BIG.
Why? What makes Ridley special?
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>>253050705

I don't see Kraid being a final boss in any Metroid game.
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>>253050756
>and has several more appearances than Ridley does where he's closer to Mario's height.
Go on.
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>>253050595
Olimar is tiny in comparison to WHAT. As far as we know
>>253050663
is correct. The point is Olimar's scale in comparison to other Smash characters was never nailed down before Smash started and he's an incredibly simple model to scale up or down.
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I think you fags are also forgetting that everyone in smash are statuettes that come to life.
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How many times has Ridley died?

WHY WONT HE STAY DEAD
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>>253050729
Ridley can't change size as a power of him, Bowser has that power.

Ridley have always been to big and the OP only show that he goes from big to huge with ONE game being an exception.
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>>253050818
I don't see Phantoon being one of the bosses in Metroid.
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>>253050729
Bowser can change size in-canon using magic though you autist. Ridley's size only changed because the NES was too limited to do huge complex models, and Zero Mission retconned him being tiny out. Learn your shit before you open your mouth.
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>>253050756
>He's also a very easy model to scale
You probably thought ice climbers would never make it too didnt you.
>has several more appearances than Ridley does where he's closer to Mario's height
>metroid has 7-8 games
>mario has 40+ games with bowser in them and in almost every one outside sports and racing hes fuckhuge

NO FUCKING WAY
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>>253048123

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh5kZ4uIUC0
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>>253050883
In comparison to everything. He is canonically inches tall.
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Why have been Ridleyfags so vocal now? They were not as annoying When Melee or Brawl were at this stage.

Well at least Genofags finally died.
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>>253050965
The same EXACT thing could be said about Bowser.
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>>253051015
>hurr its not canon
>in a game where its figures fighting each other
Figures arent to scale buddy
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>>253050772
>Sakurai can do things that go against the basic rules of game design!
Shut the fuck up you actual retard.
Ridley's model is very large and very complicated, especially with his wings and tail. To try to make a character model large enough to accomodate that would either make the character useless because of having a massive hitbox, or disgustingly ugly because of clipping issues, or both.

Holy shit I am so glad everyone on /v/ is too pathetic to ever try and make their own games, the market would be flooded with toxic shit if that ever happened.

>>253050852
Literally every single sports/kart racer spinoff and the majority of the 2D games. It's pretty evident you've never actually played Mario games.
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>>253051048
Thanks, I didn't know being a few feet away made something look a quarter of the size.
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>2014
>still thinking Ridley is too big and not just admitting that you're an autist who has to hate things other people like to make yourself feel better
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>>253050965
>>253051015
>b-b-but muh canons
Olimar's not to scale either guys. And yet, he doesn't have the power to change in Pikmin canon either.

>before you open your mouth
I'm typing retard
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>>253051286
But Bowser has the ability to change his size in the Mario games.

Ridley not.
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>>253051375
Then stop talking shit about Bowser being too large when the problem is with scaling Ridley's overly complex model, you turbonigger
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>>253051436
>few feet away

Ridley is literally miles in the background.
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>>253051382
>Literally every single sports/kart racer spinoff
Good call.
>2d games
>hes fuckhuge in all the 2d games outside the nes games and SMW
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Just wanted to let you guys know, Sakurai is throwing us some subtle hints in his trailers, and well...
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>>253051513
>Ridley not.
He clearly does.
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>>253051479
>not understanding idioms
Confirmed autism

And again, the problem is with Ridley's overly complex model being difficult to scale down without destroying decent hitboxing or clipping issues. You Ridleyfags are the ones who brought Olimar and Bowser into it, so you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
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Olimar proves that size is irrelevant in SSB. I don't know why we have these threads outside of shitposting
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>People not using their gaming part of their noggin
Ridley will be in
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>>253051225
>Well at least Genofags finally died
Never.
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ur a faget
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>>253051619
>outside the NES games and SMW
>BESIDES THE GAMES THAT FORMED THE WHOLE SERIES
hurr

>>253051642
Ironically enough, this is what Ridleyfags ACTUALLY believe
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I really hope tonight's reveal is Ridley so this stupid argument can finally be over.
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Post yfw this stupid "TOO BIG" meme will end in 10 hours.
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>>253051535
>ridleys too complex
So thats all you have for an arguement?
Neat.

Outside of his tail hes completely fine.
Have it stay low and then most players cant punish him 24/7, only downward attacks could hit it OR have it coiled up a little bit. Would be EASY
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>>253051642
K ROOL CONFIRMED
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>>253051715
The problem isn't actually the size, it's the complexity of the model. Ridley is huge because he NEEDS to be huge for his design to work, otherwise it would look like unfinished shit with clipping out the ass and terrible animations.
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>>253051702
>thinking I'm a Ridleyfag
Confirmed autism

So let's assume for a moment that he gets confirmed, and none of your poppycock "problems" are present in the game. What do you do? Do you shitpost with even more fervor? Do you leave /v/ in shame forever? Do you just end your existence?
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>>253051941
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>>253052036
That's not related to smash honey
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Basically what I'm getting is that Ridley can't be resized to be playable because he hasn't been resized to be playable yet.

oh okay then
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>>253051513
>pikachu can change size tho its okay
You guys are all retarded.
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>>253051974
>hurr assumptions
Gee, I wonder why no fighting game EVER has used large, complex character models scaled down to fit other fighters? I wonder why all of the huge characters in MvC2/3 are chunky as shit?

Maybe it's because you're a fucktard who doesn't know what he's talking about? Probably. Show me ONE Ridley design that doesn't look like shit and isn't too large to fit. Just try. I'm sure you can do it, since apparently you know more than any fighting game developer ever!
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>>253051941
>Ridley confirmed
>autists flood Sakurai with death threats and complaints that Ridley is "too fucking big" and will "never EVER work"
>/v/ collapses on itself
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>>253051885
It's going to be Shulk because of marketing shills like usual
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>>253052113
No, because unlike the average Ridleyfag I'm not an autist and can admit when I'm wrong and go about my day without having a mental breakdown,
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Do people who say Ridley is too big also say that Olimar is too small?
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>Big Show is too big to be in the next WWE game.
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I would be so fucking hype if this is what we got.
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>>253052425
Oh. Well sweet deal then bro
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>>253052184
Basically what I'm getting is that you don't know how to read

oh okay then
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>>253052174
MEWTWO CONFIRMED
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>>253052306
Hes skinny. With his wings hes as wide as bowser.
The tail that I ALREADY COVERED is the only problem
>hurr sakurai cant figure out a tail
Have you seen some other characters? Ice climbers were NEVER gonna make it then they did.
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>>253051941
Never Ever
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>>253052457
No, because Olimar's already in the game and works.

Now, if he wasn't in the game, and people were speculating for him, autists would be screaming "Olimarfags are retarded! Olimar is too small! His character model would look awkward upsized!"
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>>253050883
Actually no, the little nigga is smaller than a Duracell battery.
inb4
>But that could be a planet full of giants who have also invented batteries and also have a brand called Duracell
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>everybody wants a fuck huge Ridley
>nobody wants a fuck huge pig Ganon
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>>253052457
No because Olimar is an easy model to scale. Scaling up is much easier than scaling down.
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>>253052425
Because people who want Ridley have been proven wrong several times.
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>>253052689
Demonstrate why this is.
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>>ridleys too big!
>bowser is big too
>>ridley doesnt change size in canon!
>olimar doesnt either
>>we dont know olimars size!!
>sure we do, also pikachu isnt to scale either
>>HES TOO COMPLEX IT WONT EVER WORK!!!
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>>253052687
I do anon.
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>>253052306
There's a shop of Other M Ridley floating around with him just a little bigger than Bowser. With a couple of tweaks it'd look just fine.
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Why the fuck not?
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>>253052687
I would cry if he was revealed.
>yfw its the albw monstrosity
Fuck Yuga
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>>253052579
His wings are also too much of a problem since they need to animate and then they'd be clipping through everything.

To work, Ridley as already shown in this thread would have to be at least as large as Bowser, and that's still a fucking terrible rendition of the character. AND his wings, tail, limbs etc all need to animate outwards. His hitbox would be absolutely fucked and considering Bowser is already almost too large to fit under some platforms, a Ridley model with outward extending limbs would be fucked.

So to do proper justice to the character, it's only feasible if you make him significantly larger than the rest of the roster. At which point he's nonviable. Making the character a boss works so much better, but of course Ridleyfags don't actually give a shit about the Metroid series' representation and just want to circlejerk.

And you still haven't provided an example of a decently downscaled Ridley model, so keep shitposting.
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>>253053029
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>>253053029
Because it's an assist trophy.
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>>253052685
>ignoring the point that Olimar's model is extremely simple to upscale
>ignoring the point that Olimar had never been placed side by side with a Smash character before and confirmed a scale
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>>253050883
You've clearly never played the Pikmin games have you. In the instruction manual of 2 it clearly states the heights of all the Pikmin and Olimar with a picture.
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Ridley was small in Metroid because hardware restrictions put a limit on the size of each animated sprite. As the power of Nintendo's consoles increased, they were able to portray Ridley as his designers intended.
>B-but Bowser was big in a few games!
If you think Metroid and Mario are at all comparable in tone then you're not worth arguing with. It's implied that Bowser has size-shifting powers, but that doesn't even matter because Mario canon is either non-existent or so complex that no human could ever understand it. Bowser is also quite chunky, so he looks better scaled down. Ridley's limbs look like brittle spaghetti when you scale him down to Samus's size. Even if you somehow made it look right, he'd still have long, skinny limbs and huge wings, giving him a massive range of attack on top of his Bowser-level size. Either that, or he'd keep his limbs folded close to his body and waddle around like a limp-wristed retard, half-heartedly slapping at his foes. Ridley also has enormous wings and moves by flying, in a game where the objective is to remain standing on a platform without falling off. It's not quite the same as Pit and Kirby, who move primarily by running, with flying as a temporary option. Ridley flies gracefully, and stumbles around awkwardly on land. Destroying his wings is Samus's tactic for greatly weakening him. Do you even want Ridley to be portrayed in his weakest form?
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>>253053169
Not the same version.
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>>253053105
>but of course Ridleyfags don't actually give a shit about the Metroid series' representation and just want to circlejerk
>hurr metroidfags dont give a fuck about their series
>they want a character from their series in smash
>hurr it would be right itll never EVER happen
Its about having villains dude.
We already have Samus and ZSS. We need a villain for them.
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>>253053235
>Ridley
>confirmed scale
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>>253052863
I shouldn't have too, this is just common sense man. Do you have problems visualizing things?

Go grab an NES sprite and upsize it in MSPaint. It still looks fine. Then go grab a PS1 sprite and upsize it. It still looks fine.

Then do the same with downsizing. Complex images/models look like shit when downsized. This is especially true of models in a 3D space.
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>>253053235
>ignoring the point that Olimar had never been placed side by side with a Smash character before and confirmed a scale
Olimar is smaller than a HUMAN BRANDED battery. The smash characters ARE FIGURES. Little toys in a toy box. Olimar is still 10 times smaller.
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I'm fine with Ridley being confirmed or deconfirmed. Either way it will cause extreme butthurt. Looking forward to it.
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>>253053472
You're discussing complexity and not size.
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>>253053029
1) Because Assist Trophy
2) Could happen in another Smash, this gal is basically Mother Brain in a human body with wacky psychic powers.
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>>253053472
You are trying way too hard.
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>>253053472
>This is especially true of models in a 3D space.
>literally just doing vertexpos.xyz = vertexpos.xyz /2
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>>253052926
Provide image or gtfo
>>253053359
Confirmed for not knowing jack shit about Metroid. Thank you for confirming my point.

Do you know exactly WHY Metroid villains do not speak, and only very rarely emote? It's because Metroid is about recreating a sense of alien isolation. One of the main inspirations for the series was Alien, in the first place.

Metroid does not need a villain rep because Samus is the ONLY CHARACTER that matters. NOBODY else is supposed to have Player Agency. That's a lot of the reason why Nintendo ignores Prime, they don't see it as creatively on the right track. I disagree with them on that, but it's a pretty fucking basic staple of the series that Ridley, Mother Brain, Kraid, etc. are all just obstacles for Samus to fight against, NOT characters.

So yes, you know absolutely jack shit about Metroid if you think Ridley as a playable character is a good representation of the series.
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>>253053602
It shouldn't cause any butthurt. If he's in, clearly Sakurai has found a way to make him work.
No one is against the idea of another Metroid rep 'taking up another slot'.
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>>253047105
Nosferatu...
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>>253053762
please fucking god no
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>>253053602
Really? no shit sherlock, thanks for figuring that out for us

>>253053794
>being this assmad

>>253053802
Annnd the final product will look like shit when limited to a 2D plane. Thanks armchair game designer!
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>>253050249

Olimar's design is scalable, Ridley's is not.
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>>253053550
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>>253053932
meant for >>253053572
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>>253053919
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>>253046919
>all these autists defending Bowser
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>>253053653
Tiled sprites were possible, sure (just look at Battletoads), but they imposed restrictions which the devs might not have wanted Ridley to be burdened with at first.
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>>253053169
>first form uses second form attack
>not just having her shoot the shit from Zero Mission and morphing to form two
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>>253054123
Yes it is, going by his variable sizes in his games.
This "BB-UT NOT SCALABLE" argument is fucking stupid.
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>>253053762
Didn't play Other M. Did they really change Mother Brain into a kawaii animu girl? And there are people who consider this canon?
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I just want him playable cause I love Metroid and that Melee intro ruined me. If he's not playable please just show his stage boss in action for godsake.
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>>253054108
Why the hell would I be mad? You are legitimately trying way too hard to force that a non-issue is an issue by arbitrary reasoning.
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>>253054310
>doesn't have a tail
>wings would clip through head-height platforms
>tail cannot stay in that position when he walks so how are you going to animate it?
>again those fucking wings holy shit how are you even going to manage that jesus fuck
You're just making my arguments for me now man
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>>253054550
It was an artificial MB

Yeah sure, why not
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>>253046919
That's a little more than a few inches, anon.
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>>253054310
>just a little bigger
>twice as big
Ridleyfags actually cannot perceive size.
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>>253054568
But anon, Ridleyfags have never touched a Metroid game in their lives.
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>>253054481
Literally only the NES size is scalable and that only exists because of limitations. It's also a fucking disgusting sprite.

So you'd rather see Sakurai shit all over a character and have him be playable, than have him be a boss that actually represents his series well?

You're a fucking moron then.
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Am I the only one here actually satisfied with cool reps that didnt make the cut getting AT's and stage bosses? Hell I would have been happy to see King K Rool as a boss in SSE if they weren't going to have him playable just because he is a fun villain to watch in action with all of his different incarnations
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>>253054657
He does, it's right there. And Ridley's wings have always been small.
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>>253054824
>Sakurai shit all over a character and have him be playable
hes already done it multiple times before
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>>253054824
I want them to use the NES sprite as an assist trophy
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>>253054550

Yup, the Feds some how squeezed a Chozo super computer that needed a room all to it's self into a human sized android despite not being able to figure out any Chozo tech before.
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>>253054824
No it's not.
And see this >>253052478
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>>253054978
Give me one example where Sakurai has just shat all over a character's design

>>253054968
>tail literally disappears into the model of the body
>W-W-WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE'S NO CLIPPING
>Ridley's wings are several feet above Bowser's head
>W-W-WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RIDLEY ALWAYS HAS SMALL WINGS
retard
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>>253053802
>not using matrices
Retard alert
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>>253054978
Nice meme.
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>>253055170
>no it's not
>Every existing Ridley sprite has been posted ITT
You're not too smart are you?
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>shulk gets announced
>trailer doesnt end
>King K Rool bust out onto the field
>Ridley flys in
>new game mode announced
>5 player mode, boss characters are now playable on the gamepad as they try to foil 4 other players as they attempt to conquer a stage and reach the boss for an all out brawl
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>>253047105
>>253054067
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>>253055195
Not that guy, but that implied greentext stuttering nonsense makes you look like a huge faggot. Consider suicide.
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>>253055195
Look closer. And Ridley has always had small wings.
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>>253055349
Every fucking design is scalable, stop with your stupid fucking reasoning because it's not a fucking issue.
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>>253054250
What?
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>>253055442
That would be fucking awesome. I would be proud to play as a Stage Boss K Rool to fuck my friends over
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>>253055456
I bet the malks did this.
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>>253055463
Yeah, and posting complete nonsensical shit that doesn't make any logical sense makes that guy look like a huge faggot. So I'm just appealing to my audience here.

>>253055478
The model YOU posted, along with
>>253047238
>>253047594
>>253048395
>>253048571
>>253048727
All have fucking huge wings. You are actually retarded.
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>>253055692
For real. Not to mention we havent seen any wii u exclusive features yet.
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>>253055603
Confirmed for knowing jack shit about basic elements of modelling. Come tell me more about how clipping and animation problems aren't things that exist!
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>>253055753
You might fucking want to look at >>253047238
and >>253052478
again.
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>>253049231

He was gonna come back in Prime actually as like meta kraid but he got scrapped.
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>>253055935
>sprite twice as tall as Samus
Thanks for proving my point
>irrelevant concept art that isn't an in-game model/sprite
OH WOWZERS
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>>253047420
>>253047238
>mfw ridley has tiny wings
I never really knew
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>>253056074
Look at the fucking wings.
Look at how fucking tiny they are.
Fucking retard.
They're only big in Prime/Other M.
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>>253051382
I honestly don't get what you mean when you say it's hard to scale complex models, you litterally just take the mesh and make it smaller.
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>>253056194
Look again at the Super Metroid sprite, his wings are nearly the size of Samus' whole body and Samus is roughly 6'5". They're only small because he has a fucking massive and complex body sprite.
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>>253056226
And ZM

Fusion is the most real version to me.
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>>253054310
>Taller than Bowser
>Wings would clip through platforms
>Tail would either reach super far behind him, giving him a retardedly long hitbox, or just look tacky
>Ridley dashing would take up half of Battlefield
>WINGS WOULD CLIP THROUGH PLATFORMS

I think Sakurai would have thought about that part. There's no way we're getting a midget Ridley unless they reveal a new Metroid game with midget Ridley
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>>253055906
Clipping needs to be in Smash for it to work bud.
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>>253055935
>2 small wings pictures vs 8 gigantic wings pictures
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>>253049750

The space pirates would save themselves a lot of grief if they stopped spending money on tubes and Ridley. Some people just never learn from their mistakes.
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>>253056337
>its impossible to shrink characters
Okay.
If you did hed have small wings. Thats the point.
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>>253056074
>irrelevant concept art that isn't an in-game model/sprite
You're right. His wings are so small in the sprite they are invisible!
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God fucking damn it I wish you fuckers would take this shit to /vg/ where it belongs

seriously why do we need 20 fucking threads about the same game

something needs to be done OR IM GONNA LOSE IT

LOSE

IT
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>>253056381
1, Super, Fusion
Prime, ZM, Other M
Nice, you can't even come close to counting.
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>>253056567
Its because of the reveal today.

If its current news its allowed
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>>253056567
>something needs to be done
Don't worry m8, that 'something' is gonna happen in nine hours and seven minutes.
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>>253056291
Clipping and animation problems anon, clipping and animation problems. Ridley's sprite/model is big and lanky and fucked up with limbs and wings jutting out at every angle. When those limbs and wings and tails and knobbly bits don't have ROOM to jut out everywhere, they start clipping into fucking everything.

And then when you start making him walk/run/fly the problems becomes exponentially worse.

Compared to a basic blocky model like Bowser's, whose limbs all go to one point and then stop and who isn't crinkled up like tinfoil, it would be MUCH more difficult to make a working Ridley model.

Which isn't to say it literally cannot be done - although nobody has ever created a model that WORKS - but it drives home the point that Ridley works best, both thematically and from a design view, as a bigass Dragon boss for Samus et al to fight as he flies around wreaking havoc, not a scrawny lizard suffering from scoliosis.
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>>253056567
Kill yourself.
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>>253054134
What a tiny man
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>>253046919
Firstly let's be honest, Ridley was tiny in Metroid 1 because the NES had limitation, due to a big game, Ridley was small to fit the art style etc. Which is why his very next appearence in Super Metroid was huge, and keeping a similar size in Fusion and Zero Mission

But on the flip side, Smash scales characters to fit the scene, so whatever. But my point is don't try to be all
>he was small in metroid 1 _that's_ why he'll get in!
size has nothing to do with it
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>>253054250
"you know what I'm sayin'?"
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>>253056194
They're cute.
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>>253055906
>thinking scaling won't affect animation and will cause clipping
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>>253056362
Right, but not disgusting amounts of clipping through every single piece of scenery.

>>253056478
But shrinking a 3D MODEL from a game like Other M WOULDN'T WORK, as we've already stated, BECAUSE HIS WINGS ARE TOO FUCKING LARGE.

This is a prime example of Ridleyfag logic, they're so fucking contrarian and just outright stupid that they run in circles and end up defeating themselves.
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>Metroid newcomer
>It's one of the hunters
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>>253056683
fuck that

this is an EVERY DAY FUCKING THING

you smash fags are literally fucking cancer. reveal or not the amount of concurrent threads at any given time on /v/ is outrageous. shit like this is the reason /v/ was split in the first place.
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>>253056567
>something needs to be done OR IM GONNA LOSE IT
>LOSE
>IT
Epic
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>>253057054
It wouldn't clip through the scenery because that shitty Other M 'mockup' was not done by the developers.
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>>253057091
How's Sakurai gonna choose which hunter?
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>>253057054
>it has to be the other m model
>it cant be a new rendition that could give inspiration for future metroid titles

Smash is known for giving characters new renditions.
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>>253057127
>trying to stop japan time
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would you hug ridley?
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>>253057025
Alright mate lets see an animated scaled down Ridley model that doesn't clip through everything and looks decent.

Project M I believe tried it, and you know the results? HORRIFIC CLIPPING AND ANIMATION, on top of the character model looking like actual human shit.

And, fuck me, that was a Charizard reskin. So using actual fucking resources IN THE GAME still produces vomit-worthy results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl-HZ10XvCw
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>>253054310
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>>253048123
Damn even at a distance Ridley is huge.
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>>253057430
Maybe because they can't scale properly
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>>253057430
>And, fuck me, that was a Charizard reskin
So your point is invalid
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>>253057281
So that would somehow magically make a model already shown to be too large and too complex just.. not clip?
You've really convinced me this time anon.

>>253057303
Literally only Pit, and in this instance, Ike. For fuck's sake they've been using Twilight Princess Link for years now even when that game is no longer relevant.
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>>253057535
But anon! All scaling is is just linear reduction in size, like all the other Ridleyfags have claimed! It's so fucking easy, Sakurai and everyone else with a computer can do it there's no complexity to it that would make this model not viable at all! - actual retards ITT.

Ridleyfags defeat themselves once again.
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>>253057286
>choose
>not chosen before work even started on the game
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>>253057892
>what are transformation matrices
Works great in OpenGL
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>>253057430
>that inch-thin neck
>that GET DOWN animation
Ridleyfags want this. Ridleyfags actually want this. They want Ridley to be tiny and cute. They want to humiliate Ridley. They're not his fans. They don't like Ridley at all. They hate him.
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>>253057430
>model using animations not specificly made for it
>clipping and animation problems

NO FUCKING SHIT
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>>253049542

Phantoon has been in two games, Kraid in four. You're a nigger.
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>>253057910
How can he chose 1 hunter out of 6 to be in Kerfuffle?
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>>253057638
Yes, it would, because it's not done by fucking amateurs.
If they can make it work, they will.
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>>253058093
this
seriously

Average Ridleyfags do not care at all about Metroid's representation. They don't even like Ridley as a character, because AS A CHARACTER Ridley is literally nothing more than a BOSS FIGHT.

I don't know what the fuck they want really, or why they care so much for their arbitrary bullshit. They're the hipsters of Smash, they've clung to this SO HIP RETRO character despite clearly know fucking nothing about the franchise, as they'll readily demonstrate.
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The real reason why Ridley will never be in smash is because there is literally nothing you can do to make him unique. He would just be a charizard clone.
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>>253057430
>hacking a model not designed for brawl, onto a animation rig not designed for ridly, results in bad results!

so, you a ps4 owner or xboner?
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>>253058364
Or
stay with me anon
OR

They'll do the much easier, much more fitting thing they already have precedence doing, which is making the giant complex model a BOSS.

Because at the end of the day nobody's going to put in tons of work on something very difficult that will inevitable end up being a completely shit product, if they can get around it.

I love how Ridleyfags immediately assume Sakurai and the smash team are totally doing their damndest to make Ridley playable despite the fact that he has always been a boss and so far has continued to be teased as a boss.
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>>253058528
Yes because being too similar has stopped any clones from ever being in smash
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>>253050663
In the booklet for Pikmin he's confirmed to be smaller than a US Quarter.

Unless you want to argue that us Humans are giants compared to Mario and company.
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>>253058703
OR
They won't.
And he's been teased as something more than a boss.
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>>253058528
>its okay to literally clone clones of clones
>its okay to literally reskin
>but god forbid you dont do the above because its BORING
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>>253058528
AND THEN THERE'S THIS

ABANDON THE THREAD OR ABANDON ALL DELUSIONS OF CONTROL

RIDLEYFAGS FROM THIS POINT ON ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR SHIT AS THE ULTIMATE FACT OF REALITY IS BROUGHT BEFORE THEM

NO AMOUNT OF DELUSIONS, SHITPOSTING OR MENTAL GYMNASTICS CAN DEFEAT THIS AND SO THE RIDLEYFAGS WILL FRENZY, DEVOURING THEMSELVES AS THEY DESPERATELY SEEK REFUGE FROM REALITY

YOU HAVE DESTROYED THIS THREAD ANON. GODSPEED.
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>>253058471
>>>253058093
>this
>seriously
>
>Average Ridleyfags do not care at all about Metroid's representation. They don't even like Ridley as a character, because AS A CHARACTER Ridley is literally nothing more than a BOSS FIGHT.
>
>I don't know what the fuck they want really, or why they care so much for their arbitrary bullshit. They're the hipsters of Smash, they've clung to this SO HIP RETRO character despite clearly know fucking nothing about the franchise, as they'll readily demonstrate.
This is seriously the most fucking retarded post I've ever fucking read.
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>>253058908
>samefagging this hard
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>>253058878
No, he's been teased as an equivalent to Yellow Devil, who's a stage hazard, so HOLY SHIT Ridley's not even going to be a boss at this point. Hahahaha Ridleyfags blowing themselves the fuck out.
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>>253058528
JUST like Pac-Man and Little Mac! I totally agree.
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>>253059069
Except of the part where they actually showed Yellow Devil.
Tell me anon, why would they just refuse to show Ridley's model? Because they are le trolling?
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>>253059145
Uhhh I don't know what you're talking about? What characters are Pac-Man and Little Mac similar to?
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>>253059069
yellow devil is a boss
bosses are now stage hazards bro
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>>253058528
>>253058908
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>>253059285
its because sakurai likes to fuck with you
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>n-no guys, you can't shrink him down! i-it won't work because of his body structure!
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>>253059285
Because they're teasing Ridley's appearance as a boss?

I don't know if you know this, but Sakurai isn't in touch with the Smash community at all. He probably thinks people are gonna get hyped to see Ridley as a boss
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>>253059285
They did show his model you fucktard. They showed the shadow and the tip of his tail from the Other M design, and then said "OF COURSE, OTHER BOSS CHARACTERS WILL APPEAR" in reference to Yellow Devil being a stage boss.

Ridleyfags ignoring reality as usual.
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Since this is about Smash, how about a Super Smash Bros. YouTube Poop?

http://youtu.be/0tuzBiQyZRw
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>>253059482
Since Ridley was already a boss in Brawl I don't think Sakurai would expect big screams of excitement for him being a Stage Hazard.
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>>253059360
Keep telling yourself that.
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>>253059530
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebLZhSjCwKw
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>>253059738
if he didnt then why didnt he just announce ridley as a playable character
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>>253058693
>using ideas that ridleyfags suggested results in a bad rendition of ridley!

Gee, anon. Who would've known?
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>>253059482
Then he would fucking show him so people would get hyped he's a boss.
>people will get excited Ashley is an assist trophy, let me just show her shadow
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>>253059484
>tail unintentionally enters the video in a few frames
>THEY TOTALLY SHOWED HIS WHOLE MODEL YOU DUM DUM
You being fucking stupid dense retard going through mental gymnastics again.
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>Ridley was small once
>Ridley now ranges from pretty big to REALLY big
>Th-there's no way they can make him small again!
Anti-Ridley fags.

Don't even want Ridley, just love picking apart stupid arguments.
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>>253059423
WHAT A LITTLE BITCH, HE PROBABLY COULDN'T EVEN TAKE THREE MISSILES!
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>>253059360
Sakurai is not some epic troll like you make him out to be. There's only been one example of him "trolling" and that was him telling a joke; every other time is you just misinterpreting him so you can justify your delusions of Ridley being playable.
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>>253060005
How am I doing mental gymnastics? You said they didn't show his model even though you can see his model. It fucking exists, we know it does, we can guess as to the size and such
>it was unintentional they totally couldn't have redone the shot or anything and they totally weren't meaning to tease the character
lol
this is almost as bad as the SAKURAI IS LE EBIN TROLL XD arguments
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>>253060158
thats what im saying
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>>253060060
>>Ridley was small -once-
>on a limited resource console in a game that was later retconned
Well you defeated yourself so good going man
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>Goddesses the size of planets
>Spacemen the size of fleas
>Multiple Landmaster-driving Fox clones

>"Ridley would NEVER work, he's too big and his moves wouldn't be unique!"

Less than nine hours left of this bullshit
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>>253060060
Yeah, it totally makes sense that they would go back to an old design that was only used once and has been outdated for 28 years just so they can have him playable in Smash.
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>>253060412
>it ends up not ridley
>WELL HE STILL MIGHT BE IN
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>>253060412
>thinking Ridley of all characters is going to be revealed
Nigger if they DID have Ridley as playable they'd wait to show him until something came up about new Metroid Games, not a completely arbitrary date
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>>253059423

What's the point of having a bastardized version of him in?
>>
Ridley can't be in, because It's basically impossible to defeat him.
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>>253059830
Because they haven't shown all of the newcomers yet? Because not all newcomers are going to be shown even when the game launches? Do you know what build up is?
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>>253060603
its kind of hard to build up a character that wont be playable
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>>253060412
>implying the ride will ever stop
Ridleyfags vs anti ridleyfags is a never ending battle. One side is gonna go retarded and it continues on from there.
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>>253060243
>they didn't show his model even though you can see his model. It fucking exists, we know it does
That's the point you fucking goddamned dense mongoloid. He chose to not fucking show the model. I never fucking said it didn't exist. You're going through mental gymnastics by saying he did fucking show the model because there's a few frames with the wing showing.
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>>253060537
>he's smaller so he's bastardized!

Ganondorf wasn't ruined, Bowser wasn't ruined, DK wasn't ruined.
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>>253060717
Nah man, when Ridley gets shown as a boss every Ridleyfag will switch sides to save face and the argument will die immediately. Then it will come back in a few years.

If Ridley does get playable it's gonna be a nightmare because it'll be half the ARfags simply saying 'oh wow sakurai did better than we expect' and half of them going full on Admiral Autism the Hunt for Red Oktober mode.

So I guess it's a toss-up between a meltdown now or a meltdown later.
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>>253060676
Now you're getting it. So why buildup a character that won't be playable? Why buildup a fucking boss?
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>>253060536

>Ridley will only be confirmed if X=Z and Y is confirmed on W date

Why is this even an argument? I remember when you guys were claiming Yoshi was going to be announced with the release of New Island, Ike was confirmed cut due to Awakening, etc.

It literally never adheres to this strange Nintendo PR Conspiracy logic that you guys can't seem to fucking let go of. Tomorrow's reveal can be absolutely anyone and you know it.
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>>253060949
to
fuck
with
you
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>>253060925
LOL
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>>253060536
Pit was announced before the 3DS was a thing
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>>253061056
Ah right, just like he did with Dillon, Wonder Red, Ashely, Skullkid. I could go on.
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>>253060757
But anon
you can see his fucking model
in fact they made sure to show the part of the model that helps us confirm that it is OM Ridley, the tail spear.

You are getting so goddamn buttflustered over this and spewing 'mental gymnastics' when you clearly don't know what it means. Calm your shit son and try to make your statement more clear.

>>253060925
Hard to ruin models that are just basic humanoids but hunched over
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>>253061180
you arent bright are you
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>>253051795
Olimar isn't on there. I'm assuming it's because here's ridiculously small, but I always assumed it was the planet he landed on that was just ridiculously big. I guess not?
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>>253061115
you picked a really shitty example to prove your point.
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>>253061115
No.
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>>253061242
You're a fucking retard. Hint: none of those are any different from Ridley. And they were shown front and center as non-playable with no problem.
But no, Sakurai is totally le epic troll guys.
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>>253060060

Are you blind? Ridley is at least 30% taller than Samus in the OP. That puts him above 8 feet.
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>>253061482
Its because Ridley is clearly in the game in some manner whether its a boss or as a playable character.
his trophy wasnt shown but an actual moving model unless you can think of another metroid character that has ridley's exact shape and color of claws
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>>253061209
>you can see his fucking model
Can you fucking read you stupid piece of shit? When the fuck did I say there was no model? I said he decided to not fucking show it clearly. Like he did with fucking every other character deconfirmation.
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>>253050663
The planet he goes to is Earth.
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>>253061641
When did I ever imply he wasn't in the game?
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>>253061658
Okay
so
when has he ever not shown the model of a Playable character?
Never
When they first showed off Yellow Devil they didn't say fully what he was, and only confirmed he was a stage boss later. In Ridley's case he's basically doing the same thing, teasing a stage boss but not fully showing how he works in the stage itself.

So basically there's no precedent either way for the hidden model. So ignore that and focus on the fact that he was shown when Sakurai was specifically talking about stage bosses.
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>>253061895
when you said he was the equivalent of the trophies
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>>253048969
Sorry folks, Ridley is too fucking Big.
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It's going to be one of these guys.
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>>253061997
Oh, I didn't know Dillon, Skullkid, and Ashley were trophies.
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>>253061943
No, if he were doing that he would do the same thing he did with the Dark Emperor.
Again, mental gymnastics.
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>>253062241
>Shulk not on that list
How can one take so many shots and still miss?
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>>253062486
>if
anon
there is no 'if'
He literally WAS talking about boss characters when the Ridley model was on-screen
there is no element of vagueness or ambiguity there
stop using mental gymnastics, you don't know what that phrase means
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>>253060925

He's bastardized because physically dwarfing the protagonist is one of his key attributes. It works for the other big characters because they still tower over their respective adversaries. I'm impartial to Ridley being in or out, as long they give him an enjoyable moveset and model him off the source material. I would not be ok with using toddler Ridley just to appeal to a vocal minority.
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>>253062241
>Chibi-Robo sweeps the competition
>shows final smash giga-robo
No love ;_;
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>>253062615
Because Shulk isn't getting in.
>that list from a leaker
>no Wario, no R.O.B, no Falcon, no Falco, no Jigglypuff
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>>253060936
Well. That's true too. Either way it's gonna end up horribly for the people who don't care. But then again, when does it not?
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At this point I just want Ridley because he's the only first party character remaining that would actually get a big reaction.

/v/ would be completely destroyed. The internet in general would explode. It would be huge
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>>253061115

Man, they really fucked up with his Brawl TP model in comparison to his OoT one. He looks more fat than the 7'8" tall menacing foe he's supposed to be
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>>253062786
can't differentiate between newcomers and veterans
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>>253062662
Yes, there is extreme vagueness because he did not show or talk about Ridley at all.
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>>253062938
Shulk isn't getting in. She's a Disney/Marvel IP for fuck sakes.
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>>253062241
>diddy kong racing 2 roster.png
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>>253063012

Hurr hurr She Hulk
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>sakurai has been teasing Ridley for eleven fucking months
>he had the opportunity to show us Ridley and absolutely-without-a-doubt confirm him as a boss almost 335 times by now
>he had the opportunity to put the pyrosphere in the tournament or demos
>he hasn't done either of these
>meanwhile he just drops skull kid, wonder red, ashley, dark samus, waluigi, etc. like he doesn't give a fuck

Shit's suspicious.
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>>253062810
If I was Sakurai, I'd add Ridley to the roster as a "fuck you". I'd make him actual size, give him all of his boss attacks, infinite flight, and make him break the game in the most devastating ways imaginable. Then I'd tweet "do you rike it?" and Ridleyfags would finally be forced to admit that their stupid dragon mancrush is TOO. FUCKING. BIG.
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Ridley works best as a Boss character.
It would be unbalanced as fuck
>Huge as fuck, lots of power, incredibly fast an agile

It was always meant to be a boss, GET OVER IT.

If anything we need more bosses instead of another adventure mode like SSE. With Shulk confirmed, we got a large pool of Boss characters to choose from.
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>>253057474

Yeah man, those wings carry a lot of mass.
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>>253063165
>skull kid, wonder red, ashley, dark samus, waluigi,
How's that suspicious? It's not like any of those characters are popular besides the 5 people on /v/ that want them in.
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>>253062786
Because the leak was for newcomers, smegma-sucker.
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>>253063230

God, I'm not even a Ridleyfag, but Ridley being in as an insanely overpowered game-breaking giant would be the best shit ever
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>>253063230
>Sakurai makes Olimar half the size of the screen
>Olimarfags will be forced to admit their stupid character is TOO. FUCKING. BIG
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>>253063534
And all veterans are considered new comers to the new game.
They aren't in.
>>253063451
No one wants Shulk, another sword user.
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>>253063165
>skull kid, wonder red
Skull kid effect fucking sucks, possibly the most disappointing assist trophy since Ow the Edge.

Wonder Red should have been a character along waluigi, but then again I understand why they were cut...there should be a Wondeful 101 stage though. I mean fucking electroshit got one in brawl.
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It doesn't fucking matter whether Ridley gets in or not because he WILL get in no matter what you fucking haters say.

You may have won the game of smash but we have won the game of life you fucking losers.
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>>253063556
Upsizing is far easier than downsizing I can imagine. Hell Olimar also had a human frame to work with as opposed to being a winged creature constantly in flight
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>>253061275
>the planet he landed on that was just ridiculously big
Olimar landed on Earth
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>>253063373
But only if we get Robo-ass Fiora as an Assist Trophy at the very LEAST.

All games need Female Robo-Ass.
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>>253063737
You are not understanding. This is the hypothetical situation where Sakurai made Olimar half of the size of the stage, and Olimarfags are forced to admit that he is too fucking big because of a poor implementation by the developers.
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if Ridley is announced in 8 hours the internet is going to go to hell.
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>>253063680
>And all veterans are considered new comers to the new game.

>No one wants Shulk, another sword user.
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>>253063925
Describe how Ridley could be well-implemented. I'll save you some time: you can't, leave the thread.
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>>253063938
You mean lower Norfair.
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>>253063540

That would be kinda hilarious and I'd use him against everyone who ever wanted Ridley in the game.
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>>253063925
I am sure Sakurai is trying to make him work without looking stupid, hell he made dumb shit like Ice Climbers and the Wii Fit trainer work well. At the end of the day he probably thinks he is more fitting as a boss.
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>>253063540
With a massive Glass Jaw...
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>>253064096
You know who wasn't on the list and got in? Rosalina.
>b-but that list is right!
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>>253064097
Describe how Little Mac could be well implemented. He only punches.
Anything is possible, I don't personally have to prove that he would work, only that he would if the developers decided to do it.
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>>253064138
>Implying it wouldnt just be Ridley vs Ridley mirror matches
>Super Smash Ridley 4
>Next Metroid game is Other Ridley
>Shiggy makes a New Super Ridey series
>It is now the year of Ridley
>Dr. Ridley is the best puzzle game of our time
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>>253064440
This would be...perfect. Thank you anon.
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>>253063230
Put a poll on the Nintendo website with two questions:
>Do you like Ridley?
and
>Do you think Ridley should be removed from the roster of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS?
Only when I've received a few million votes saying "yes" for both questions will I patch Ridley out of the game and make it playable.
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>"b-but he's a humanoid character! it still makes sense if they alter his size!"
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>>253064440
>New Super Ridley Series

>Ridley gets the Mega Mushroom
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>>253064665
Putting a green meme identifier in front of a sentence doesn't make the sentence false, butthole.
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>>253064374
>character whose special ability is punching
>somehow hard to implement in a fighting game
What are you even trying to say? I'd implement him by putting him in the game and having him punch other characters while not taking up half of the stage.
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>>253064670
>The year of Ridley will end up making Nintendo Profits "too big"
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>>253064670
>game freezes
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>>253064807
>green meme identifier
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>>253064440
>Dr. Ridley gets put into SSB5
>Shoots pills out of his mouth instead of Fireballs
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>>253065003
Everyone dies
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>>253064440

Ridely vs Ridley, all items, every stage except final destination.
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>>253064890
So you understand that they can implement anyone, even Ridley. Ridley actually does things in the games you know.
It's much less difficult to implement him than a yellow ball that only eats things, but they did that.
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>>253051225
Way to out yourself as being new as fuck. People were clamoring for Ridley just as much as they were back when Brawl was coming out.
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>People calling "Too big" a meme

That's a joke, right? Is common sense and rational arguments epic memes now? Poe's Law has taken over and I can't tell if you people are yanking my chain or are actual mental retards.
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>b-but ridleyfags are annoying!
>b-but t-they always start the shitflinging and shitposting!
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>>253065726
>Is common sense and rational arguments epic memes now?
Of course not.
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>>253065726
blame /tv/ and its epic BANE XD maymays
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>>253065726
>using Poe's law yamyams
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>>253051795
kirby and dedede are not that small
surely... r-right?
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>>253062938
Anon
please
they showed Ridley
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>Kirby's only eight inches tall
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>>253066753
no they didn't
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>>253066849
yes they did, you can even see part of his model. you said so yourself
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Size is no excuse for Ridley not being in Smash, him being a shitty character, in other hand...
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>>253057474
Maybe have him fold in his wings unless flying?
I'm pretty new to these "lol ridleyfags" arguments, but really the anti-ridley shitposters aren't convincing me in the slightest [see >>253058908 ].

Olimar is quite small and they scaled him up heaps. Obviously changing the size of characters to fit the game isn't a problem for Smash.

That said, I don't think Ridley will happen in this iteration anyway because the developers don't know about any demand for him?

I would like him to be in and have space pirates with TUUBES as an ability but know it's unlikely, Shulk or whatever his name is was apparently the likely newcomer
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>>253067945
Oh look more Ridleyfags spouting shit that's already been addressed one hundred times ITT and being too lazy to read. They must be startin' you guys pretty young huh.
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>>253065726
But it's not a rational argument anon. Ganondorf is TOO BIG, Olimar is TOO SMALL. In order to fit the roster in, they made changes, Ridley will need to take changes too.
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>>253067058
I'm not the guy your arguing with, I'm just tired of people equating a shadow with showing him. and no a bit of his model being visible doesn't count
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>>253068687
BUT ANON
YOU CAN FUCKING SEE HIS MODEL
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT
YOU CAN SEE HIM
THEY DELIBERATELY ALLOW YOU TO SEE HIM
HOLY FUCK HOW DO YOU EVEN MANAGE TO BE THIS GODDAMN DENSE
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>>253068136
If they can resize Ganon, and resize Olimar, you have precedent for resizing Ridley.

If the wings are what makes him too big, just have them fold in while not in flight [that could be a weakness to balance him out: big hitbox while in the air].

I see no problem here. Although, as I said, I still doubt he'll be included.
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>>253068861
show me where they had his entire model visible, I must've missed it
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People are still arguing about Ridley?
God, you people need to get a hobby.
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Why not just make his tail and wings unhittable? Hitbox concerns addressed. Have them get knocked out of the way of attacks or something. I mean, tails lash about all the time. Shit's gotta be hard to hit anyway. Same with the wings. Have them furl up to avoid attacks/platforms so there's no clipping issue.

It's not like they have to be static. They can open up where there's room and furl down where there's not, and they can lash about to avoid attacks so that they don't have to be part of the hitbox.

Fuck.
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>>253068965
jesus dude, he never once said you can see his entire model.
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>>253066464
>>253066789
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>>253068910
>just have him do this thing that he never does
So sacrificing characterization to appeal to a shitty minority? Yeah that's a great idea.
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>>253068568
They scale easily because they are more or less human. Ridley's wings, tail, and possibly neck wouldn't scale properly to fit the sizes of the other fighters. You could alter those things, but it'd look really awkward on a model that's accustomed to those things at their original size.
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>>253069020
Because they would still clip through goddamn everything, and he never fucking furls his wings so suggesting that is fucking stupid.
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>>253069126
>YOU CAN FUCKING SEE HIS MODEL
>YOU CAN SEE HIM
>THEY DELIBERATELY ALLOW YOU TO SEE HIM
unless he thinks that little visible part in the direct counts as seeing his model, which is completely incorrect
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>>253069357
>b-but him being big is 100% everything that defines him as a character!
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>>253069480
Anon
the little part you are seeing IS PART OF THE FUCKING MODEL
You can see his model well enough to know that it is in fact Other M Ridley. I don't even know what point you're trying to go on about but whatever it is you'd have to be retarded to understand it at this point so whatever.
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>>253069470
>Because they would still clip through goddamn everything
How? The whole point is that if the game detects a clip it runs an animation where the clipping limb recoils from the clip. It can obviously be done - you see it in FPS games occasionally where if you're too close to the wall your character puts his gun up so it doesn't poke through said wall. I think ARMA does it?

>he never furls his wings
I imagine that probably at least once in his life Ridley has furled his wings.
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>>253069674
What? I'm not even talking about him being big you meme loving fuck, I'm talking about him furling his wings which never happens when he's attacking Samus,
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>>253069357
holy shit why are people who don't want Ridley in the game so insanely pissed off?
Metroid fans aren't a minority either, it's one of the more recognizable series.

>thing that he never does
But he does fold in his wings?


Here's the ridley Melee cameo, taken from the wiki, to help you understand why it's perfectly fine to add him. See look, even with his wings extended he's roughly Bowser-sized.

Does anybody else think he looks like Spyro kind of
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>>253069674
Yeah, that's correct. Ridley is designed to tower over Samus. His lanky, almost skeleton-like body contrasts with his large size, which makes him more intimidating.
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>>253069806
>writing an entire bunch of code and creating dynamic animations for one fucking character who's too goddamn big
And Bowser is already almost clipping through platforms anyways. Jesus fuck man at this point there's no goddamn reason to make him playable, you're illustrating everything wrong with a playable Ridley model on your own.
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>>253069886
>Metroid fans aren't a minority either, it's one of the more recognizable series.

Ridleyfags are this delusional.
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whean is monday? I want to Eat the reveal for smansh
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>>253069886
If it was so perfectly fine to use him then why didn't they? Why did they make him a boss character with a much larger model?

Maybe because making a five second FMV animation is much easier than dynamic game animations and you don't have any clue what you're talking about.
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>>253069742
part of the model, a miniscule path at that, does not in any way equal seeing the entire model. and since we know that sakurai has no problem with editing characters and combining different designs, nobody knows for sure what ridley will look like until we see the whole model, or at least much more than we've already seen. I shouldn't have to explain this
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>>253069891
but that's not entirely his character
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>>253070106
There were objections about clipping and hitboxes. I addressed them. That's the extent of my involvement. I'm not going to argue about the commercial viability of catering to Ridleyfags because I have no clue and don't care.

I just saw people complaining about clipping and hitboxing and offered my suggestion as how to fix those issues. If you want to get into a shitfight over whether Ridleyfags are a minority worth catering too then find someone else.
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although its kinda just a stupid meme at this point, why did people want ridley so bad in the first place

he never seemed like some one you'd want to play as that badly
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>>253070137
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>>253070303
They specifically showed the tail, which is the Other M model And what the fuck are you talking about, Sakurai has been using the goddamn gamecube Twilight Princess designs for years and has only significantly changed Ike's designs.

And all of these designs are finalized well before the game starts development, you're not going to magically end up with some scoliosis midget Ridley when we already know he's using the OM design you autist.
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>>253070384
>massive fucking wing hitbox
>character looks like shit and nothing like the OM design we already know he's using
>would most likely animate like garbage
delusions
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>ITT pic related
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>>253070436
well your suggestion was complete shit and perfectly demonstrated why nobody would want to make a Ridley playable model so gg no re
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>>253070137
So please explain to me how Metroid isn't a recognisable series with a large fanbase?
>>253070276
>Maybe because making a five second FMV animation is much easier than dynamic game animations
And they made dynamic game animations for him as a boss in Brawl as you said yourself, so dynamic animations aren't a problem.
>>253070303
dude what the anon talking to you originally about was this >>253066849 "they didn't show ridley"
He proved you wrong, they did show Ridley, get over it man
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>>253051642

Hey faggot
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>>253070137
Not even a Metroidfag, but you are fucking stupid.
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>>253070575
they did not specifically show the tail, they literally showed the tip, quit exagerrating shit. and just because some designs didn't get changed doesn't mean none of them did, even though link is different now than he was in brawl, even if it's still the twilight princess design, so you're wrong about that too. and it doesn't matter that the design is already finalized, since no new games have been released since smash started development, so we're already aware of all the material and both Ridleys he can draw from. you can argue all you want but no, you don't know what Ridleys gonna look like until we finally actually see him
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>>253070525
>series as a whole has sold 17 million copies

Wow, what a popular series. Metroid is Nintendo's 11th biggest franchise; it's not even top 10.
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>>253070956
>And they made dynamic game animations for him as a boss in Brawl as you said yourself, so dynamic animations aren't a problem.
Dynamic animations where he could fly around and do whatever the fuck he wanted without fitting inside the restrictions of platforms and hitboxing tardo
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>>253070776
>ITT: people not giving convincing arguments as to why he cant be a playable character

>b-but he doesn't scale well
She scales just fine, just trim the wings of have them inward unless he's actually flying. Not that hard. But people will post versions of him with varying scale and pretend this is a fact that he CANNOT be playable.

AntiRidleyfags are the worst.
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>>253070692
But anon, the wing hitbox is maybe 1.5x the size of Charizard's at most.
And, as we've said before, changing character size can be done and is not a problem, exemplified in Ganondorf and Olimar.
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>>253070956
>they did show ridley
no, they did not. a shadow and the tip of his tail is not showing him
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>>253070805
>well your suggestion was complete shit
I find your argument not at all compelling. From where I stand it seems to address all problems and all you've said is "NO IT WON'T WORK, HE WILL STILL CLIP" with no explanation as to why or how.

And that's because you can't give an explanation, because whether or not my suggestion would work is all down to the execution of the project - something neither of us would be privy to even if such a project existed. The aims of the project are not flawed.

But my suggestion addresses all concerns and is perfectly achievable. The only question is whether it's worth attempting, and that's a question I'm not going to answer.

>>>/out/
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>>253071051
>here's what Sakurai himself has said and done in the past, this is the precedent
>LOL NO IT FUCKING ISN'T YOU TRIPLE NIGGER YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SAKURAI'S GOING TO DO HURRFFF DURRFFF
Holy shit son go get yourself checked for brain damage
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RAYMAN CONFIRMED WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT
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>>253071092
Please tell me you aren't including Smash in that franchise list.
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>>253071159
>She

I'd hit it
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>>253071159

>all this delusion

lol sakurai's youth is because he feeds on riddleyfags tears
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>>253061115
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>>253071332
>le >>>/out/ maymay
Oh gee you sure got me man

And unless I'm mistaken you're the same person who said earlier in this very thread that you don't know jack shit about the arguments going on so I can't really help that you don't understand my argument. Try reading the fucking thread maybe?
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>>253071235
So who does Ridley's shadow and tail belong to if not Ridley, then, genius?
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>>253071343
>what sakurais done in the past
I literally pointed that out earlier your God damn philistine, they still haven't actually shown ridley yet, and he still could've made changes to his model, take your own advice
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>>253071441
>still no counterargument

I see this is the average AntiRidleyfag.

AntiRidley=Antifun
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>>253071562
hinting something =! showing it. this is basic shit
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>>253071608
>they haven't actually shown Ridley yet
yes they have I cannot make this any more clear to you
>he still could've made changes to his model
the designs are finalized months before the game begins development, according to Sakurai himself

Jesus it's like arguing with a five year old. WAAAHHH BUT THEY COULDA CHANGED HIS MODELLLLLL
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>>253071737
anon answer me a question
do you know what the word showing means?
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>>253071848
If they shown him, then it shouldn't be hard to post the video where's he clearly shown
Sakurai said shot in the dailies aren't final.
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>>253071737
No, answer me, if the shadow which is identical to Ridley's and the tail which is identical to Ridley's is not Ridley's, then whose is it?
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>>253051225
Ridley is a relevant character to the main series of Metroid.

Geno is a shit character in some stupid ass very obscure Mario title owned by another company.

Genofags are just as bad as Ashleyfags if not more.
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>>253071994
>in the dailies
We're talking about the Greninja Direct where they showed him though. Just keep proving you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
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>>253071542
>And unless I'm mistaken you're the same person who said earlier in this very thread that you don't know jack shit about the arguments going on
I don't know jack shit about whether or not Ridleyfags are a commercially viable minority to please, and I dare say neither do you. You might guess, but you don't know.

But I do know the argument that I'm addressing, that Ridley's hitbox would be too big and his wings would clip.

The solution then is to not put his tail and wings in a hitbox and use collision detection to make him furl his wings or coil his tail. It's eminently achievable. The fact that you would even deny that it's possible when other games already do this simply as a matter of course suggests to me that this argument has become a point of personal pride for you. So I don't expect to convince you and I don't expect to get anything reasonable out of you henceforth.

However, we all live in hope, so in good faith take this olive branch:

My suggestion is achievable but it may not be worth the effort to achieve, and so we are both in some measure right.

And look, now you can leave the discussion without losing too much face after all. Your precious anonymous internet reputation preserved at last.

:^)
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>>253046919
RIDLEY FAGS GETTING BLOWN THE
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>>253071848
>yes they have I cannot make this any more clear to you
sure you can, show me where we saw more than the tip of his tail and his shadow, otherwise no, they haven't shown him yet no matter what you say

>the designs are finalized months before the game begins development, according to Sakurai himself
that's nice, but nowhere does that imply he can't make changes

feel free to continue with the baseless name calling as if it helps your argument, while ironically comparing this to arguing with a five year old
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>>253072115
>the solution is to do a whole bunch of unnecessary jury-rigged shit to make my favorite character playable
Yeah and nobody cares
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>>253072102
>NOOOOO they can't change what was in the direct
What says Sakurai can't but can do any changes in the dailies?
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>>253072265
>show me where they showed him other than that time they showed him
that isn't how that works anon

>the designs are finalized. finalized: a noun meaning set in stone or completed
>but that doesn't mean he won't make changes even though it literally does!
Anon go to bed the adults are trying to have a conversation
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>>253072362
He says the dailies are not complete. That doesn't mean he's going to make random ass changes, only improvements.

Why would they show unfinished/likely to be completely reworked content in a huge reveal video? Do you know fucking anything about marketing?
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>>253071974
yes, and showing the shadow of something is not the same as showing the thing itself. so the better question is, do you?
>>253071995
I never once implied that they're not Ridleys. showing a shadow is still. other showing him though
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>>253072610
but you're forgetting they also showed the model
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>>253071848
They showed his shadow and said shadow portrays his size being on par with Bowser. It's a small Ridley but probably the largest character on the roster. Well, if he is on the roster. I'll keep my hopes up that he is. With that unexpected potd, my hopes shot up.
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>>253072456
How's that burden of proof?

>>253072582
Yea, like any major changes from a shadow will be bad marketing.
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>>253072779
but anon

they showed the model
which is the Other M model
which is fucking huge
>imlpying shadows have ever made sense in Smash Bros
I'm serious, go look at the shadows on Brawl and Melee characters. they're wonky as fuck.
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>>253072456
showing a shadow is not the same as showing an object. I really don't see how you can't understand this yet feel that you have any room to act condescending

>the designs are finalized. finalized: a noun meaning set in stone or completed
this still doesn't in any way prove that he didn't make changes. if all you got is name calling then I guess this argument is over
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>>253072220
you did the meme wrong
it's
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Also nobody's being BTFO, the entire OP states that Ridley's size is variable which is actually a pro-ridley argument.

Go and think about your misdeeds.
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>>253072692
show me where we saw more than the tip of his tail, I must've missed it
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>>253072851
I don't have a burden of proof because your claim is just wrong. You can't say SHOW ME X BESIDES THE TIME X HAPPENED, that's just fucking laughable. And you keep forgetting they showed the model.
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>>253050952

Canonically he's only actually did once, at least that we're aware of. The rest of the time he just got better.
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>>253072958
but anon they showed the model why do you keep forgetting this?

>>253073062
>the tip of the tail isn't the model
then who was tail?
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>>253065726
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ridley-is-too-big

Idiot.
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how many hours?
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>>253073076
see
>>253073062
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>>253073076
If anon and I are that wrong, then prove your assertion with the video/screenshot of Ridley's model being shown during a Direct
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>>253073195
Is this that newfangled 'bait' all the faggy looking kids are going on about these days?
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>>253073195
5/10
made me have to think about it
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>>253073179
>seeing the tip of the tail means we now know everything there is to know about his model
this is literally what you're saying. showing the tip of a tail is not showing the model. it's showing a part. or hinting at it if you'd prefer
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>>253072610
You didn't imply it, you directly said in >>253066849 that they didn't show Ridley.

So if you're saying that the shadow IS his, can you please now admit they showed Ridley?

There's another argument at cross-purposes now saying Ridley would be too big because his shadow shown was too large, so it won't hurt you to admit you're wrong.
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Making him smaller will only make him a fucking gay pussy. He needs to be more like Donny Thompson.
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>>253073225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUWnQu2Grs
:^D
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>>253073428
I also said screenshot
>n-no, sift through it yourself
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>>253073395
it's showing a part that is specific to only one existing Ridley model. A ridley model that is huge
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you know if he was announced it would be pretty ____big__ news
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>>253073423
no, because they showed Ridleys shadow, which is not showing ridley
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>>253073382
I don't get it. "Ridley is too big" is so a meme, this kym article and its appearance in several smash threads proves it. Hell, you have Impact font pictures of the meme in the gallery and epic shops like pic related.
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>>253073535
>it's showing a part that is specific to only one existing Ridley model.
which is subject to artistic liberties just like every other character in smash

>A ridley model that is huge
in a game that doesn't give a fuck about scale
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>>253073485
If you're this lazy then I'm not even going to bother continuing this conversation. This is the definition of BTFO.

>prove Ridleyfag wrong by posting official Nintendo video
>N-N-NUH UH DOESN'T COUNT DO THESE OTHER THINGS BECAUSE I SAY SO
How about no?
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>>253073809
>which is subject to artistic liberties just like every other character in smash
what the fuck are you even trying to say here

>in a game that doesn't give a fuck about scale
Clearly they do since they're making Ridley a boss
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>>253073875
>avoiding
What's wrong; afraid of being called out?
Once again, if it's so easy, why not spend 5 seconds proving me wrong?
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>>253048727
I forgot how messy and displeasing he looked in that fan fiction
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>>253073875
>that strawmanning
Go to bed Dobson
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>>253046919
What the fuck is it about people saying that Ridley could be in Smash that gets you people so bumrumpled? You're like those sandpeople that get pissy over Muhammad being drawn anywhere.
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#btfo
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>>253074154

>stage hazard
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>>253074154
Key word's "may"
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>>253074134
>strawmanning
It would only be strawmanning if what I was saying was an exaggeration. That is pretty much exactly what that other poster is saying.

>give us evidence
>okay
>NO DOESN'T COUNT DO THIS OTHER THING
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>>253073996
>what the fuck are you even trying to say here
sakurai sometimes makes changes to character designs in the game. I didn't think the original statement was that complicated
>Clearly they do since they're making Ridley a boss
apparently they don't since it's already been proven tome and again that ridley is actually smaller this time than he was in brawl. not to mention all the other characters that have been resized
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>>253073779
it's only a meme because it got so popular on places that didn't intend for it to be one in the first place.

Whenever one calls it a meme implies that the people who use the logic of the statement are only doing so because it's a popular thing to do, and that they subsequently cannot think for themselves, and that the mentioned logic is nothing more than an appeal to popularity.

There's a reason that "Epic meme bro :^)" is an insult here.
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>>253074027
I've already provided you evidence you tard, in what way am I avoiding anything? You're the one avoiding watching the video, and if I posted a screenshot you'd deflect that with your bullshit as well.
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What are you talking about OP
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>>253074326
>proven
>using words this wrong
delusions
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>>253074365
they didn't even show ridley in the video you posted
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>>253074350
I have no idea what you're talking about you crazy person all im saying is that "Ridley is too big" has developed into a meme.
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>>253074505
confirmed for didn't watch the video
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>>253074462
>have no counter argument
>I know, I'll call him delusional
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>>253074365
Nice assumptions
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>>253074510
The point I'm trying to get across is that the phrase may be a meme, but it's point is most certainly not.

don't call me crazy, I go insane when people say that.
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>>253074417
fuck bitch hes right that nigga big im out
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>>253074505
>forty minute video
>fifteen minutes after posting
>it isn't in the video!
Literally confirmed for didn't watch. Average fucking Ridleyfag
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>>253074591
post a screenshot then of where they show him, cause I guess I just didn't see it
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