We should have a Tales thread. Talk about plot and stuff.

I'd sex that.

>>252982416
>Non-canon breast size
Dropped.

>>252982416
Symphonia > All

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Who's the best Tales girl, and why is it Tear?

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>>252982416
>Sheena

Get the fuck out.

>>252982416
>Sheena
mah nig.

>>252982416
Y'know, I really love Sheena and her story. But her backstory is kind of stupid.

>Hey, let's send the 9 year-old to go fight and capture an angry summon spirit.
>Kay.
>OH SHIT VOLT IS KILLING US ALL BECAUSE IT GOT PISSED AFTER SHEENA TRIED TO PACT WITH IT
>THIS IS ALL CLEARLY THE LITTLE GIRL'S FAULT
The people of Mizuho are dumb.

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>>252982416
I actually just started playing Tales of Symphonia with my best bud recently. The game is a lot harder than I remember. He has a save file that has the game previously beaten, does that increase the difficulty?

Also Raine gives me a boner for some reason.

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As much as I love canon Lloyd and Colette, I really wish he was in love with Sheena.

Phantasia is the only good game in the series

What should I go for every character? T or S?

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>>252984386
I think for Lloyd you do like a mix because demon fang picks up people off the ground after you use beast or something

Fuck if I know, I played the game when I was 15.

>>252983853
>Raine gives me a boner for some reason
>some reason
Kind yet stern, intelligent, maternal, gorgeous, adorable when she gets a ladyboner over ruins, Kari Wahlgren....

Is Abyss any good? It's been sitting on my shelf forever and I just never got around to it.

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>Rent ToS multiple times as a kid
>Sheena's my favorite character
>The game pretty much railroads you into ending up with Colette unless you actively try to piss her off
>End up renting the game again and going through a FAQ on how to fuck around with relationship values
>Play through the entire game again and manage to wife up with Sheena

I regret nothing

I'm surprised none of the other Tales games did the whole relationship thing

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>>252984789
Very well said.
But Sheena is better.

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>>252984941
It's better than most people give it credit for

The characters/plot are hit or miss with people but give it a chance, you might like it

>>252984941
While the characters are love/hate for many, the FOF system adds a unique layer to the combat. That, and it's my favorite game.

>>252985224
Raine and Sheena are equally great in my eyes.

>>252984941
You're going to hate the MC but there is a damn good reason that he's the way he is

It's a great fucking game

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>>252983132
Look at this faggot, I bet he likes Luke.

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>>252982947
>Who's the best Tales girl

Sheena. easy.

>>252984219

I just wish he wasn't so blasted dense about it

>>252985360
>Deconstruction
Abyss isn't even close to a deconstruction, it just subverts expectations.

Who here hyped for Xillia 2 next month?

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>>252986469
Yeah but then again in Tales of Symphonia 2 you can literally make any romance decision you made go right out the window

>>252986470
It plays around with the idea of the "Chosen One" really fucking hard

I keep hearing about how awesome Destiny DC is, but I keeps crashing on PCSX2 when I go in between loading zones.
Does anyone have a fix? I already checked the game fix in the settings and it doesn't help

If anybody in the US is getting the Xillia 2 CE and wants to sell their costume voucher DLC card please drop me a line. I wanna buy that shit off of you.

Thanks.

>>252986742
And also the idea of prophecy and people who follow it.

>>252986470
>it just subverts expectations
So, what you're saying is that Abyss is a Tales game? Gotcha.

>>252986351
>Corrine dies
>turns out he's alive
>can't reclaim him as a summon
>stuck with having to put up with that shitty Over Limit mode to summon spirits
Why? WHY?

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>>252985128

you know what I found especially annoying was how quickly her deal with volt was swept under the rug.

She loses her best friend, over comes horrible past trauma and once it's all said and done she gets a single skit for people comforting her. Collette doesn't even say anything about it.

More to the point for as much as a main character Lloyd is Sheena's the one doing all the heavy lifting plot wise.

She's the one forming pacts
She's the one proving her worth through tests of valor and combat
She's the one who over came her past

and despite all theses the game does seem to go out of the way to downplay this while upping Lloyd and Collete because of...reasons

>>252986742
>>252986934
That's not what a deconstruction is, stop listening to TV Tropes. A deconstruction of video games would have to draw your attention to the constraints the medium imposes on the art itself.

>>252982947

Her name is Mysteariaca. The only reason she isn't worst girl is because her game was so shit it managed to introduce that affront to mankind known as Anise.

She's hot but she's a completely shit character, I'm sorry anon

>>252986096
I love it when they give good reasons for a shit character to be shit.
So is tear a pedo?

>>252987289

Natalia's pretty awful.

>Im going to ignore the guy a grew up with for 7 years because I made a promise to a guy I havent seen in that amount of time and last time I did he tried to stab me in the face

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>>252987289
>hating anise

Look at this guy.

>>252987704

dead pope

I want to fuck Ion

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>>252987704
I bet you're the guy that posts all the lewd of her in every thread

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This cunt is supposed to be 27, looks at least 40.

>>252986630
nobody?

>>252987156
>Sheena's the one doing all the heavy lifting plot wise.
I noticed this too, actually. I think this may be what endeared me to her so quickly. She's lovable, AND she's getting shit done.

Sheena is mah nigga.

Estelle from Vesperia is mai waifu

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>>252988223
No, I'm not him. But I'll post the one lewd Anise picture I have, since you asked.

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>>252988621
>Not Judith

Shit taste detected, but enjoy

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>>252988507

I like Lloyd I really do he's a cool guy but really the most he does is spout of some idealist sentiments that basically everyone else shares anyways and we're supposed to accept him as the big hero and the only the game does this is by downplaying the others to absurd lengths.

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>>252988621
Good choice

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>>252988742
Thanks anon

>>252987704
>I'm a powerful general of the world's central government at the age of 13
>I'm a jewish slut who only cares for money!
>I'm going to give you shit at every occasion!
>I'm going to repeatedly betray you!
>I'm a qt loli who fights with a stuffed animal, so kawaii and original!
>even though I'm literally a traitor I'm still going to give you shit, Luke, and you're just going to sit there and take it!
>I have the most annoying voice outside of Mieu

Christ, how awful. I pity you pedofags who are obliged to like her since she's the token loli, every other Tales game has a better one. The worst part is she's the most powerful character so you're losing out if you bench her.

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Was there a moment more spectacular than this?

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Yuri is best Tales protag.

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>>252987156
>She loses her best friend, over comes horrible past trauma and once it's all said and done she gets a single skit for people comforting her. Collette doesn't even say anything about it.

Man I forgot about all of this. Maybe Sheena is better for Lloyd than Colette.

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>>252989050

you know Im able to over look all of that, ALL OF IT.

but what really sets her over the edge for me is the Arietta shit.

>Arietta wants revenge for Ion
>Instead of telling her the truth that her Ion wasn't the same one or whatever she agrees to a death match and kills her

and they justify it by by saying was her first decision she made her self. Even though it was based on lies and misinformation. They could have at least TRIED to have Anise tell her and if she didn't want to believe it would be on her. but they didn't. They just killed her.

>>252988880

Lloyd is fun because he's the Ur-Shonen. He's an idiot to the point that even the other stupid anime characters notice, he's a hothead to the point he repeatedly inconveniences the team, but he does his level best and knows when to step back and let his more qualified friends make decisions. He's just a regular blue collar guy who happened to wind up saving the world, and that's why he's best Tales protag

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>>252989329
Damn right

>>252988880
>a serious analysis of the plot reveals that Sheena is the true hero of the story
>her main ability is next to useless in gameplay because Overlimit mode instills an unnecessary drawback
There is no fucking justice in the world, I swear. Summoning already eats up a huge amount of TP, so why do I have to get hit a hundred times and HOPE that stupid black aura appears? Come on!

>>252989462

I honestly hoped it was a Kratos/Zelos situation and I could let Anise die and get Arietta instead. She was shitty too but at least she had an excuse.

And then you murdered a child because why not. We edgy WRPG player now.

>>252989329
I'm playing through Vesperia right now and I'm having a hard time taking in just how based he is

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>>252989527
You. I like you and your points.

>>252989814
While I don't think that could really work, I always wondered what was up with Arietta's plushie that she carried around.

>>252989814
If only it always worked like that.

>Let Leia die
>Get Agria

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>tfw you break the rule of "No costumes/Accessories" tryhard story first play through for the best Tales girl

Feels good man.

>>252989527
Plus his blinding optimism and absolute REFUSAL to say die is what keeps the party together

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>>252985360
It's more MISS than hit. Also going with that analogy, there sure as fuck ain't no CRITS when it comes to Abyss.

>>252989886
>Murdering people in cold-blood
>based

>>252982416
That amnesia chick from legendia.

>>252990241
>Doing what needed to be done

>>252990635
He deserved a fair trial.
It's not his fault the system was corrupt.

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>>252982416
>wants to talk about plot
>not using the best girl

>>252990848
Has a man face.

>>252990021
>I always wondered what was up with Arietta's plushie that she carried around.

it was just a plushie.

>>252984386
Mostly T

Lloyd is generally better with T

Go S with Colette so you can get Para ball and shit

Genis is a shit and nobody cares

Raine's heals are better on the T side, her buffs and are better on the S side, and she also gets Holy Lance

It doesn't really matter for Kratos/Zelos and Sheena

Go with T for presea on everything but the Devastation artes

Regal should go full T

>>252990143
>Plus his blinding optimism and absolute REFUSAL to say die is what keeps the party together

that's a fair point and he is kind of why everyone is in the party together at all. but I just wish he actually had something that made him unique outside of his mom issue which let's be frank was ultimately pointless

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>>252990848

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Did someone say plot? It's a shame Agria had so little backstory.

>>252991058
Can always just use the glitch to get both stuff. I did that for lloyd and for others I just kept switching using rings/gems to get whatever techs I wanted.

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>>252991058
>Genis is a shit and nobody cares

He is just that isn't he.

I don't think Ive seen a worse sidekick.

He gets Lloyd exiled then spends the rest of the game shitting on him constantly. every other word out of his mouth is "lloyd your so stupid" or "Lloyd your only good for fixing shit"

good natured ribbing is all well and good but this shit goes too far especially when he should be incrediably remorseful about ruining the dudes life

>>252991390
Why does that big boobed cat lady get me going so much?

>>252987048
>playing Sheena
>2014
>not maining LIGHTNING BLA-- SUPER LIGHTNING BLADE

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>>252991581
I think Genis, story wise, is there to sympathize for Lloyd and Preciea, and vice versa. Almost the voice of reason, or humanity. He did become kind of relevant with the whole half-elf problem in the other world (Sorry I forget the name)

>>252991754

I think you answered your own question

>>252991390
Most of the Xillia 1 villains were a bit bland. Agria was your typical psycho villain with a dead family backstory and Presa was just there for fanservice.

>>252991914
You mean because of the glasses and the booksmarts?

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>>252991754
>Cat
Nah, I thought she was pretty foxy.

>>252991581
>Raine constantly smacking him
I'd say he received proper punishment. She certainty smacks him hard enough.

>>252991876
>I think Genis, story wise, is there to sympathize for Lloyd and Preciea, and vice versa.

well if he was there to Sympathize for Lloyd then he fucked up big time because part of Sympathizing is NOT BEING A DICK TO THE PERSON YOU'RE SUPPOSE TO SYMPATHIZE FOR! He's a brat and Raine should be ashamed

>>252991509
Depends on the version, though. Can't use the Tech Glitch on the PS2/3 version.
Otherwise I would've recommended keeping fierce demon fang/demonic chaos and para ball/hammer rain

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>>252989527

Like I said I do like Lloyd, it's hard not too, Id very much hang with the guy but all his specialness seems either token hero stuff or at the expense of the rest of the party.

I don't want the game to become Tales of Sheena Not fully anyways but when the side characters are pulling the weight of the main story then I think there's a problem.

We spend more time telling Collette to stop apologizing than we do helping Sheena overcome the death of her only friend and the fact that said loss was because she was helping the party and the person who it was all for doesn't even acknowledge it.

You go right to rescue Collete and it's all

>Im sorry
>You dork

I don't think Sheena or anyone should blame or be mad at Collette but I do think it's absurd that Sheena is basically forced to get over such a loss in five minutes and Collette can't notice that Sheena looks down and Corrine is missing.

it doesn't have to be a huge scene it can even be another skit but give me something.

>>252991390
Jade what happened to you

>>252992969

Sheena got to be a major plot element. There's really no room to complain about not getting enough focus when poor Regal exists.

I always thought Sheena was supposed to be hiding her hurt really well and the only reason we know about it is because it's being made obvious for us as the audience. It never seemed like a case of getting shafted on screentime to me, just a facet of her character.

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>>252993047
But Jade's fine.

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>>252994049
>Sheena got to be a major plot element.

She did but it just felt like they where upping Lloyd and Collette at every turn despite her doing the bulk of the work load.


>I always thought Sheena was supposed to be hiding her hurt really well and the only reason we know about it is because it's being made obvious for us as the audience.

I agree that's very in character for her but I also think it's no something that Collette or the others wouldn't take notice of and falls back to my comment on Lloyd being denser tha a neutron star


>It never seemed like a case of getting shafted on screentime to me, just a facet of her character.

I just would have liked to have seen more pay off if you say took her at Flanoir. Instead we got
>Hurpa durpa we're good friends

Which is ONE THING I will gladly give credit to ToS2 for fixing if nothing else

>There's really no room to complain about not getting enough focus when poor Regal exists.

touche

yeah Regal and to a lesser extent Presea kind of just felt like filler, for any thing I have to say about Sheena get shafted they got it far worse

>>252990769

He wasn't even going to go to trial.

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>He wasn't even going to go to trial.

made sure of that

I just want to cuddle Sheena.

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>>252987156
Huh. Never thought about it like that before.

I guess Sheena is best girl. Still the worst in gameplay though.

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>>252995804

she does have that perfect combination of vulnerable innocence you want to protect and stone cold 10/10 uber hottie that you want to motorboat

>>252990769
fuck off every tales side character

>>252995804
>You will never snuggle up in between Sheena's breasts after making sweet love to her

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>>252995964

probably doesn't even realize just how amazingly attractive she really is so she'll wear stuff like this and not think twice but when you actually hit on her she'd get embarrassed and nervous

mediocre series
shit stories, generally neat gameplay/combat, awful characters
at least the porn is bearable.
not worth buying

>>252995859
I really like her design. Namely the bra. The white just somehow fits with her overall outfit and it's not just her tits hanging out. Simple, but still distinct.

Also, called her cute when I found her playing with those kids. Why is there still no Tales of Dating sim?

>>252997086
>Why is there still no Tales of Dating sim?

because for some reason Namco thinks Bravo man and Mappy are more popular and that people somehow give a shit about Wonder Momo

>>252984239
I agree with this man.

>>252997082
Agreed

>>252983132
Are you fucking serious? Sheena (and Raine) are undisputed best Tales girls.

>>252984219
God I fucking hate Colette. In fact I hate all the "princess" type characters in these games.

I still have nightmares about Estelle.

>>252998452
You misspelled Pascal

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>>252982947
>>252982947
My nigga
>>252984941
It's an incredibly polarizing game, so just play and see for yourself.>>252997573
>Mfw Namco high had no tales girls
>Mfw no Soul Calibur girls

>>252998689
Maybe I just accidentally left her out?

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>>252998767
>>Mfw no Soul Calibur girls

they've even begun benching them

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>>252997573
>Wonder Momo
Who? Oh. Yeah, I get your point.

>>252998603
>"princess" type
Reminds me of Drakengard and how the creator initially based the plot and characters off his hatred for girls like Colette. I don't hate her, but she's not a character I'd say I really like. The dog naming was cute though.

>>252998689
I wish I could switch Pascal's voice to Japanese and just have her as the only one speaking nip. I can't pinpoint the annoying mascot for Graces. It's either Pascal or the turtle people. I mean, so far only 1 has spoken aloud. So I can just ignore them for the most part. She was alright in the beginning, but the genki, acting like a 7 year old just got old real fast. Doesn't help the things she says aren't charming at all. It's just annoying. Teepo was less annoying than her.

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>>252998603
>God I fucking hate Colette. In fact I hate all the "princess" type characters in these games who win out for no reason other than being....umm..something

Don't get me started on princess types, Senel you goddamn idiot

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>>253000021
Chloe best.

>>253000021
Wasn't Senel's fault. Was Shirely going crazy and threatening to flood the entire world cause he wouldn't love her.

Implyed threesome ending for him anyway.

>>253000021
Senel was just like lol wtf dude.

IGN summed up Legendia best:

The guys look like girls. The girls look like Porn Stars.

I never finished Legendia, having left off at the trail across the heavens. But that soundtrack, even now I still listen to parts of that sound track.

Its like all of Legendia's budget went into making this absolutely epic sountrack while the game itself was bleh.

>>253000307

well maybe if she didn't confess less than a week after his fiance died he might have been open to the idea of dating again.

>>252987704
Nobody like Anise. I wish you were given the option to kill her.

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>>253000404
>The guys look like girls. The girls look like Porn Stars.

how is that not applicable to like almost every JRPG ever.

and porn star really? Chloe's a hottie but this shit is a far cry from DOA man.

>IGN

..oh than explains it

>>253000237

it's like I always say, A knight Waifu is the right waifu

>>252989571
>filename isnt cut above the rest.gif
cmon anon

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>>253000404
>Its like all of Legendia's budget went into making this absolutely epic sountrack while the game itself was bleh.
I am completely willing to emulate Legendia and spend 50 hours on it just because of the music. I might drop it, but at least I could see why it's so ill received.

>>253000604
I kept her benched the entire game. Even when you were forced to play with her I chose Jade.

>>253000718
Why the fuck is she wearing a spandex leotard? That's fucking awful.

I want to caress Judith's legs.

>>253001743
>I am completely willing to emulate Legendia and spend 50 hours on it just because of the music. I might drop it, but at least I could see why it's so ill received.
You'll drop it by the second half.

Like me.

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>>253001792
>Why the fuck is she wearing a spandex leotard?

Because Sword Rain

>That's fucking awesome

>>253001792
>spandex leotard
Easy to move in? I rather like the idea of body stockings and full body suits with jackets or random things over them.

I always play Tales games with mah roomate. Legendia had no multiplayer for like no apparent reason. Fucking dropped it like a bass.

>>253002408
I know when I think of knights I think of a stagehand outfit

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>>253002739
It's Tales.

>>253002428

I still to this day can't understand why people like Tales multiplayer.

maybe Im weird but my idea of fun doesn't include watching one guy run around watching story scenes and solving puzzles while I contribute to the odd battle or two

especially for a system that pauses every time you need to open a menu

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Reposting the /v/ Tales poll results:

-All options with 1 vote omitted-

>favorite game
Abyss 10
Symphonia 7
Vesperia 4
Xillia 3
Graces 4
Destiny 3
Xillia 2 2
Hearts 2
Eternia 2

>favorite protagonist
Yuri 17
Lloyd 6
Stahn 4
Luke 4
Jude 4

>favorite girl
Tear 6
Sheena 6
Milla 5
Rita 3
Chloe 3
Colette 3
Kohak 3
Estelle 2
Farah 2
Sophie 2

>favorite mascot
Mieu 8
Repede 7
Noishe 3
Lulu 2
Teepo 2

>favorite mystic arte
Indignation 9
Infernal Suffering 2

>favorite OP
Karma (Abyss) 8
Ring a Bell (Vesperia) 5
Song 4 U (Xillia 2) 5
Fag (You) 3
Key to My Heart (Destiny 2) 2
Progress (Xillia) 4
Follow the Nightingale (Innocence) 2

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Best girl

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>>253003031

>21

Jesus Christ why

>>253003052
You're missing out if you haven't had to coordinate a full party of players on Nightmare mode.

Did a 4 player run on Vesperia and Graces. Shit was so cash.

>especially for a system that pauses every time you need to open a menu

Easy. No items rule. If you want TP then go hit the enemy. Life bottles are only allowed when the Healer goes down.

>maybe Im weird but my idea of fun doesn't include watching one guy run around watching story scenes and solving puzzles while I contribute to the odd battle or two

The story is fun to watch as a group.

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Patty is the cutest.

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>>253003293
I don't see many people who like Cheria.

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>>253003224
Reposting the secondary /v/ Tales poll results

>First game
Symphonia 14
Destiny 3

>most recent game
Xillia 10
Hearts R 4
Graces 3
Symphonia 3

>Games you've played
Symphonia 19
Xillia 19
Graces 18
Abyss 17
Phantasia 16
Vesperia 16
Destiny 15
Eternia 15
Legendia 13
Rebirth 7
Destiny 2 6
Xillia 2 6
Innocence 6
Hearts 5

>Best story
Abyss 8
Symphonia 2
Phantasia 2


>Best combat
Graces 6
Vesperia 3
Xillia 2 3
Hearts R 2
Destiny DC 2
Xillia 2
Abyss 2

>>253003598
>The story is fun to watch as a group.

I do enjoy MST3K but I can't really commit 50 some hours to a group play session

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>>253003224
>Yuri still top
And this is why he's banned from polls.

>>253003293
Good god she is so generic it's painful to watch any cutscene she's in. Even Laura Baily couldn't save her. Green haired Mitsuru a best, given the selection. Victoria gets little screen time an like 1 boss fight so I can't even think of her as a cool lady mentor like Legretta.

Emeraude is evil, isn't she. I've been predicting every single plot twist thus far, so it's going to happen right?

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>>253003987
>Emeraude is evil, isn't she. I've been predicting every single plot twist thus far, so it's going to happen right?
Can't say anything else other then yes you're dead on.

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>>253003716
I like her. I think her hate and anger is entirely justifiable.

>dying
>just lost her new friend
>another close friend is moving away
>boy she loves doesn't give two shits about her
>beg him not to leave because you are DYING
>he promises he won't' leave you before immediately leaving you.
>did I mention she was DYING?

I don't understand why people hate her attitude. Fuck Asbel.

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>>253003987

Personally Im a Rutee fan.

She got the sassy kind of bitchy persona I dig and they actually bothered to you know...give her good qualities to balance it all out.

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>>253003620
You again

>>253003829
Well, maybe if you liked your friends you could handle it.

>>253004296
>I don't understand why people hate her attitude. Fuck Asbel.

we don't hate her attitude, we hate her and Asbel's complete lack of any real personality that doesn't involve them "NOT" being into each other

I said Lloyd was dence? feh Asbel makes him look like a hero in a hentai game

>>253004394
>>253003620

No one cares about Patty.

>>253004478
Cheria's only personality trait was liking Asbel and being Sophie's mom, but Asbel literally didn't care about her until the F arc, where they just shoved everything in.

>>253004478
Asbel was personality-less, but I think Cheria had enough to enjoy watching her.

She wasn't great or anything, but I didn't find her empty. She was a mother hen.

>>253004538
But she's cute.

>>253004296

Cheria was fun when she was bitter. Shame that got kicked in the head as soon as we got back to Lhant.

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>>253004739
Agreed.

>>253003987

Emeraude is evil in the stupidiest way possible.

Just like the rest of Graces really.

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>>253004860
I agree somewhat.

She shouldn't have lost her resentment that early.

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>>253004478
Absolutely this. Hubert may be the arrogant nerd with the glasses, but at least he feels like a person. Especially his transition from that kid who peed his pants when scared to being forced into being perfect all the time. Asbel was best as a kid. Cheriawas also best as a little girl. Then they grew up to be anime guy and girl who are the story's main love interests, if you can call it that.

>>253004860
I wish she stayed cold and bitter. Her going back to loving him again was unfortunate.

>H-hands off my husbando!
>N-not like I like him or anything! B-baka!

>>253004860
I'll agree. Her dying/bitterness was an interesting character arc that was really wasted.

>>252997573
namco is taking down Shifty Look in March, so I'm archiving Bravoman

>>253005130
>>253004860

the big problem is instead of Asbel winning back her trust and friendship she just immediatly remembered how much she wanted his boring disco penis

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>>253005259

I kind of liked Mappy, but Im not surprised. I am surprised that Namco actually thought people cared about Him and these characters like they where marvel or sonic or something people actually you know...liked

I mean I had dig dug and I liked it but it wasn't really something I remember discussing at length beyond oh hey is dig dug good, yeah its kind of fun, wanna play duck tales

>>253005370
Yeah, and it still kinda makes me hate Asbel more instead of blaming Cheria. She only forgave himself so fast because of his status as Main Character.

Luke had to fucking earn that shit.

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>>253005370
>not making her want Hubert
>not making her fall for an older man like Malik
>not even making her obsess over Richard due to a twisted inferiority complex
Anyone but Asbel jesus.

Graces trying to express friendship without touch balls.

Graces would've been a lot more interesting if it cut down the "I need to protect everyone" bull and more about Asbel making an effort to repair the relationships he destroyed as a kid.

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>>253005718
>Luke had to fucking earn that shit.

which is amazing as he did literally nothing wrong beyond listening to his father figure.

I mean really let's break down what happened at the mine.

Luke has zero reason to distrust Vahn

Vahn says to keep something a secret and to help him out

Ion doesn't do his fucking job and opens the door like a sap and gets off scott free
shit goes tits up

Everyone yells at Luke like he sank the damn town on purpose and that he should have told them what he was planning.

here are the people in the party at the point

3 enemy soldiers one of whom broke into his house and tried to kill his father figure and one is called Necromancer.

A rather bro butler but a butler all the same WHO by the way knew exactly who Vahn was

and a spoiled princess who black mailed her way into the group.

yeah Id really trust this group.

what's more is they all flock to Ash's dick even though the guy tried to kill them no less than twice.

there is literally zero way you can turn all this onto Luke logically.

>>253006553
And he was still a shit character.

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>>253006473
>Graces would've been a lot more interesting if it cut down the "I need to protect everyone" bull and more about Asbel making an effort to repair the relationships he destroyed as a kid.

That would be pretty interesting actually.

Instead we got

>Muh Richard, much Richard.

you find children digging through the snow for a small amount of fuel so they don't freeze to death and Asbel is still

>Guys Richard is the one who's suffering.

I understand not wanting to fight your pal but there friendship was more of a memorable play date than an actual camaraderie

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>>253006473
>Graces would've been a lot more interesting if it cut down the "I need to protect everyone" bull and more about Asbel making an effort to repair the relationships he destroyed as a kid.

Fuck yes, I like you.

>>253006553

Remember how everyone played Shinji in 3.0 ?

Same exact thing, it's some weird Japanese cultural thing were it's the societal norm to take on the burden of blame for the good of the rest

>>253006553
I didn't say it was all Luke's fault.

I said that he had to earn the forgiveness of his friends.

Which is true.

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Why is Tear so perfect?

Why is there so little good porn of her?

The world may never know.

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mah dick

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This motherfucker is so badass.

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>>253007531
Can't be helped.

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I want to come all over that hair swoop.

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>thighhighs with suspenders
>mah dick

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MELON
MELON

>>253007334
>I didn't say it was all Luke's fault.
>I said that he had to earn the forgiveness of his friends.

I know Im just saying it's hilarious how the guy who has nothing to apologize for had to work to earn back the trust of the people who wronged him

and the guy did heaps of shit wrong had everyone lining up to suck his disco cock.

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>>253006832
I don't like Asbel. I really don't like him. I'm at the burnout point and I'm losing my drive to finish.

>>253006553
>Luke has zero reason to distrust Vahn
This. Akzeriuth was harsh, but I don't think everyone should have just up and treated Luke like that. Then again they still thought of him as just some whiny rich kid. But I still felt bad for him.

>>253007531
>Why is there so little good porn of her?
Personality maybe? I know a lot of frigid women get all kinds of porn to be broken, but she's not cold enough to exactly warrant it. Also she's only into shotas, but isn't milf like enough to warrant /ss/

So in the end did Yuri shack up with Estelle or Judy?

>>253008362
Flynn
Anyone got that surprise blowjob gif?

>>253008210
On the bright side, she did get one of the best Tales doujins

>>253008152
Look, you also have to look at it from everybody else's point of view. He was under a constant barrage of "Don't trust Van" from everyone around him. He acts callous and dismissive of their warnings and it results in thousands of people killed in front of their eyes.

No, in reality, it wasn't his fault. But you have to understand how everybody felt that it was. People aren't seeing "This guy was tricked by his father figure" they're seeing "This spoiled brat told us to go fuck ourselves and now a city is wiped off a map."

It's a two way street.

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>>253008715

Im surprised ToS has as few as it does.

>>253008362

Harem end.

Everyone won the Lowellbowl

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>>253008818
The Tales of girls don't really seem like doujin material, with some exceptions. Though there's plenty of genderbent Asbel and Richard for some reason.

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>>253008802

Ill allow them the initial outburst, it was an emotional time but once things cooled off even Guy and Tear realized that Luke wasn't really to blame so much

and I have a hard time a complete sociopath like Jade would be unable to look at logically

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>>253006832
Glad I'm not the only one who thought so.

>>253007046
>Melon Bikini on Tear's melons
Ahaha, that's great.

>>253008210
>I don't like Asbel. I really don't like him. I'm at the burnout point and I'm losing my drive to finish.

That's how I felt once I hit a little into the adult arc.

>>253008210
>Akzeriuth was harsh, but I don't think everyone should have just up and treated Luke like that.

Considering the fact that they just witnessed the equivalent of 9/11 point-blank which was topped off with watching a little boy scream for help before being melted right before their eyes, I'd say emotions where running a little high.

These are flawed characters and that's the beauty of Abyss. You shouldn't be asking yourself "where these characters right" as much as "where their actions reasonable responses under the circumstances"

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>>253009143

it seems to cater to a very different doujin market

how this faggot was so damn popular Ill never understand

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>>253009316
>That DeviantArt watermark

>>253009316
>and I have a hard time a complete sociopath like Jade would be unable to look at logically

I don't think Jade really gave too shits about Luke. He wasn't interested in being fair.

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>>253009472
Stahn is so much cooler, but pretty and angsty seems to hit the mark with fangirls. And his death midway through his game still hurts.

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>>253009472
I'll repeat what I've always said he's pretty and has a cool battle theme.

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>>253009948

ah Stahn, in a surprising change of pace you where and RPG hero who actually got to go on an adventure with your waifu

>>253006553
Luke being morally destroyed was one of the best things i've seen in Tales. It doesn't even matter if he had nothing to do with it, really, because unlike most Tales, Abyss characters are more morally grey-ish. The party basically jumped on the opportunity to blame him for everything while Ion deserved the same, for example. And i can't even blame them, long-haired Luke was a spoiled piece of really unattactive garbage.

>>253009948
Stahn dies midway through ToD? How'd he knock of Rutee years later?

Did he get better?

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>>253009316
>watermark
This is one of the many reasons I hate deviantart. Donut steel everywhere. I've only seen like maybe 3-4 pixiv artists who do this. Everyone else leaves an easy to ignore signature somewhere.

>>253009349
Thing is, I probably have 5-10 hours left of the game. I am almost finished if I ignore sidequests completely. If I stop, I may not go back.

>>253009397
Well, as the player who knows more, my views are unfortunately biased. Though I do see why they were all disgusted.

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I really love how destiny changed things up by having the loud, sneaky uber bitch (and I say that in the higest possible regard) be the white mage and the black mage was the mousy shy priestess

>>252995859
I SEE WHAT YOU DID IN THAT SPOILER AND I agree 110%. Fuck it still pisses me off. She's my favorite Tales lady, beating out Tear by a small margin, and she's almost fucking unplayable in combat. Fuck.

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>>253010220

That's not being morally gray that's just being a cunt.

there's a world of difference.

just because you made everyone a jerk doesn't mean you write a more "HUMAN" character it just means you wrote a jerk.

>>253010223
No stupid he's talking about Leon.

He dies before ToD2 though

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>>253010451

eh if all you're interested in is playing the main story she's not so bad

summoning is unreliable but she has a lot of debuffs which are useful and her elemental viability is a god send, she'll be hitting the weakpoint of EVERYONE by end game

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>really nice personality, cheerful but not annoying
>fist fighter, not a shitty boring-ass magician ?63405804958, slaps everyone's shit while being in goddamn dress
Best girl? Best girl.

>>253010696
Once again, their actions were completely fair responses considering the circumstances and their knowledge of the situation. "They were jerks" is a completely narrow viewpoint of it.

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>>253010805
>He dies before ToD2 though


He gets better though

Time travel

>>253010989
>hitting the enemy
Her melee range is probably the worst of any character in the game.

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>>252992169

I liked that in the 'Pet' skit everyone but Alvin said they liked dogs better than cats.

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>>253011135
>Once again, their actions were completely fair responses considering the circumstances and their knowledge of the situation.

Only for the moment. At some point in the game they should have realized that they and Ion where equally responsible

Im not mad at them for blaming him or yelling at him, Im mad that they never made effort to change and the game was happy to use Luke as a Scapegoat for the rest of the story.

that's absurd.

Emotional outbursts are one thing, refusing to change and grow as characters is another.

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>>253010220
>long-haired Luke was a spoiled piece of really unattactive garbage.
>unattractive garbage
uwot? I'll give you the spoiled bit. He was a sheltered child who's only bit of the outside world came from his mentor and sword training. But I find long haired Luke much better than short haired Luke. And even if Akzeriuth broke him, I'd rather him be haughty and rude over "S-sorry guys, also friendship I guess."

>>253011132
>slaps everyone's shit while being in goddamn dress
Why don't more female characters do this?

>>253011382
Cats are better than dogs though.

>>253011413
Luke was a boss about it by the end of the game. A fucking paragon of let bygones be bygones. What irritated me the most wasn't necessarily how they treated Luke, but how they treated Anise after all she'd done, and their willingness to let it all go with minimal fuss.

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>>252982416
Obligatory for a tales thread

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>Playing Vesperia
>Get to secret mission 17
Holy shit this is infuriating

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>>253011639
>But I find long haired Luke much better than short haired Luke.

well he did have an actual personality

hell I remember at some point they actually started given him shit for not being like his old self. Whom I remind you they shat on.

Luke couldn't win if he stated shitting miracles

>>253011915
I'll never play it ;_;

>>253008362
Judy.

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>>253011141
Maybe it's all trivial. But both Tales of Destiny, and the Playstation remake of Tales of Phantasia were being developed nearly side by side.

And Tales of Phantasia was released just under a year after Destiny. And the difference in quality is astounding. Battles are so much faster, everything from running to swinging your sword.

But the biggest offence is the overworld. Just 1 year a part and this is the difference.

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>>253012350

he and Judy are just friends, friends who often encourage casual sex

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>>253012220
>trying to get Yuri's title where you have to do all the secret missions in one go.

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>>253012263
>Luke couldn't win if he stated shitting miracles
I could still see Jade teasing him just for having the ability.

>>253012673
oh god that top image looks like such dog shit.

>>253012263
Well, it's more like they wanted Luke to stop being a beta fuck and actually grow a pair.

>>253012673
Jesus Christ.

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>>253008086

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>>253010159
Yeah their relationship is nice.

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>>253012220
That's what I'm going for right now and I want to die. I love Yeager, but his secret mission is some bullshit

>>253013116

what they needed to do is stop confusing the poor guy.

every time he gets anywhere in any direction they stop him and commence a shitting.

>Long haired
YOUR A JERK! FUCK YOU SHIT!
>Short haired
PUSSY YOUR A GODDAMN PUSSY! YOU WANNA CRY AND TAKE A LADY BREAK!

WHY DO YOU KEEP CALLING YOURSELF WORTHLESS YOU PIECE OF DRECK!

>>253013535
meant to quote >>253012836

>>253013497
>best girl won for once

>>253013535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCJ8BTQpyR8&fmt=18

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>>253012675
I support this.Tales of Brave Vesperia when ;_;

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>>253013497

best couple

the mangas actually a pretty good read

>>253013917
Damn. I love those really high thongs. Do they have a name?

>>253010696
The whole party hated old Luke. He was a source of troubles, he had a really unappealing personality. I can totally see this hatred fueling their reaction towards him after the tragedy. They've made him a scapegoat, sure, and that was a really jerky thing to do. But at the same time it was a pretty realistic reaction. Can you honestly say that you would behave yourself differently if you were in their shoes and seen this situation for the first time?

>>253013535
Having to watch all the cutscenes every time you fail and restart only adds salt to the wound.

>>253013129
>>253012909
Would it help if I told you that in Destiny, you cannot change camera angles on the overword? You have no idea whats behind you, beyond what you see on the mini map.

>>253014359
Can you change it in Phantasia?

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>>253013116
That reminds me of when he stabbed that one soldier. Is there any explanation as to why some of the protags are perfectly fine mowing down armies of men? I know some have the whole "kill or be killed" mentality, but I can't imagine just getting used to the blood and screaming without having a personality shift.

>>253013554
>WHY DO YOU KEEP CALLING YOURSELF WORTHLESS YOU PIECE OF DRECK!
I wish Luke just snapped and attacked Acsh until one of them couldn't move and he just yelled off his reasons for feeling like garbage. Even if he got knocked down, he should have just sprung back up and attempted to headbutt him or something. I'd be too scared of Jade, but I think everyone deserved a good, long yelling at.

>>252983789

> let's do all of this without a translator, too.
top kek

>>253014084
High waisted thongs maybe?

>>253014147
>Can you honestly say that you would behave yourself differently if you were in their shoes and seen this situation for the first time?

alright I want you to stop and actually listen this time.

Blaming Luke? Fine
Continuing to blame Luke 60 hours into the game? Bad.

the problem isn't that they're blaming Luke, that's normal. The problem is that they're stagnant characters. The most growth you'll get out of any of them is a

>good job Luke you managed to not cock up again you fucking pussy.

>>253014147
I have personally known assholes with a personality similar to Luke's.

And nobody liked him. there were a couple of people who tolerated him sure, but only because if they stayed overnight at his house, his mom would bring home KFC for dinner.

Then one day at school a kid's Game Gear was stolen and almost instantly, people pointed the finger at him.

He didn't do it, he didn't need to, he was rich, and they eventually found the perpetrator but it just goes to show that your attitude can affect your life.

>>253014516
Yeah you can, by using the L&R triggers, simple as that. Tales of Destiny was already dated by the time it was released.

That is the kind of overworld you would see on a launch game in 1994.

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>>253014628
>>252983789

In their defense Volt was especially dickish as far as summon spirits went.

Yeah the rest asked for a tussle before hand but none of them showed any of the signs of hostility volt did.

I imagine the worst case scenario they imagined was Volt just wouldn't show up

>>252984239

>nostalgia fag gtfo

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>>252983789
>>253014628
>Watching the OVA
>This is the person that killed your brother
Sheena... had a hard life.

>>253014805
>good job Luke you managed to not cock up again you fucking pussy.
Pffft. This pretty much.

>>253013497
happily married couples are my fetish

>>253015271
This is mostly true.

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My two favorite main protagonists are Lloyd and Cless.

Lloyd for his instantly recognizeable voice and strong morals.

And Cless for a herioc, no bullshit attitude. There's no whing or bitching for him. Just getting the job done.

Also Judith is best girl.

>>253003598
>You're missing out if you haven't had to coordinate a full party of players on Nightmare mode.

Man, I would kill for a fully 3D Tales MMO. I don't know how you would make real-time combat work like that on the field though. A MMO couldn't have that battle transitions.

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>>253015427
Don't get too lewd there anon.

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>>253008362
Estelle.

>>253015236
Enjoy your generic Anime storyline with shitty characters.

>>253014332
>not playing the PS3 version with cutscene skip and the option to fight all bosses at Namco island for secret missions

Never coming to the west.

>>253015743
Well Zestiria might not have battle transitions, so that's one stop closer right?

I dunno about some of you, I'm damn excited about Tales of Hearts R.

I played it on my friends Vita because he imports stuff, and legit, It's fucking great having a proper portable Tales.

I'm waiting on the 2K restock to nab a Vita. What about you guys?

which tales man has the best sword

>>253015948
I wonder how they'll manage it? Will every hallway and room just be fuck-huge

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>>253015423

Mizuho was much chiller in the actual game. Her problem there was more her own guilt rather than people despising her.

Except that one dude, but he's a cunt so fuck him

>>253015204
This is true. However you don't send in a little girl to do a grown womans work, and then expect her to come out victorious.

>>253015876
There's a fucking namco island in Vesperia PS3?
Baba I hate you.

>>253016017
>I'm waiting on the 2K restock to nab a Vita. What about you guys?

I'm actually planning on getting a VitaTV just for ToH and P4G

>>253015705
You're a good man. We need more Tales MCs like Cress.

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>>253016043
Stahn

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>>253016080

they had an army of ninja and the chief with her.

the fight to prove yourself thing wasn't even known at the point, for all they knew she just had to call the fucker out and work out a contract

>>253016116
>There's a fucking namco island in Vesperia PS3?
There's a Namco Island in Vesperia 360. What are you talking about?

>>253015876
>Never coming to the west.
Maybe I'll get a chance to play the translation patch this year....

>>253016209
ToHR doesn't work with Vita tv.

.>>253016043
Luca.

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>>253016043
>which tales man has the best sword

Stahn duh, Dymlos can talk. This isn't even worth discussing

>>253016348
>Young Sheena wearing a Suzu outfit.

How cute.

>>253014805
>Continuing to blame Luke 60 hours into the game
It's totally believable. It's not easy to fix someone's attitude towards you when your personality was beyond horrible and your actions had catastrophic consequences (doesn't even matter sometimes if you really was the one who did it or if you did it willingly, basically what >>253014905 said). Some peoples can spend their whole life trying to get better in someone's eyes and they will still bash them with their past.

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>>253016080
But I thought ninjas do everything as soon as they can walk and jump 20ft in the air. Anise and Arietta are both in the military after all.

>>253015876
>Namco island for secret missions
holy shit I'm playing the PS3 version this is so good to know

>>253016384
Nam Cobanda.

It's a special island specific to the Japanese PS3 port of Tales of Vesperia.

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>>253015797
Nah man.

>>253016209
I don't think ToR works with it. I'm also sccared of compatibility stuff.

>>253016476
It did before the 3.00 release. I'm sure they'll have a new firmware update for the US release. Vita is dead in the US and it'd be silly not to have one of the bigger releases for it not work.

>>253016540
He is also weak and replaced just a half hour into the game by a batter sword.

>>253016017
I'm excited too. Got a Vita for this game.

>>253016080
Also how did the people of Mizuho not know that Volt doesn't speak human languages and you need an elf to translate? How did Raine know when she mostly lived and studied in Sylvarant where Volt doesn't even exist?

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>>253015797
Why are they so cute

>>253016061
Well think of all the areas with enemies in Xillia or Graces. They're pretty open places, not hallways etc.

>>253014562
I assume it's because the other protags had to kill at least something in their lives before. But Luke, who is new to this dea of killing shit, much less a human being, would understandable be traumatized. >>253013554
Honestly, at least in my view, the reason endgame luke is so good is that he's not an extreme like act 1 or act 2 Luke. He hits a good balance

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>>253016813
>He is also weak and replaced just a half hour into the game by a batter sword.
>replacing the swordians
>Not realzing they level up and gain stats as you go
>being this pleb

>Also how did the people of Mizuho not know that Volt doesn't speak human languages and you need an elf to translate?

Volt hasn't spoken to anyone in thousands of years. Thay's easy.

>How did Raine know when she mostly lived and studied in Sylvarant where Volt doesn't even exist?

she's and elf. she speaks elfish.

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>>253016652
>It's a special island specific to the Japanese PS3 port of Tales of Vesperia.

No it's not.

>>253016996
Because one of them is a sweet and naive princess, and the other is a vigilante young man. Naturally, they have great chemistry.

>>253016923
>How did Raine know when she mostly lived and studied in Sylvarant where Volt doesn't even exist?
This really bothered me at that part. Unless I missed an explanation or something, Raine translating for Volt came basically out of nowhere

>>253016923
It's simple really. She must have read ancient works from before the two worlds were separated, and she must have assumed that the books were of her world.

Other than that, i have nothing. You probably just opened up a huge plot hole or something.

>>253017346
>Raine translating for Volt came basically out of nowhere

she's an elf. She speaks elvish.

why is this so hard to buy? Really would you be so shocked if you where getting yelled at in Japanese and then your friend Hoshi comes out and starts telling you what the guy wants

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>tfw ToD: Director’s Cut english translation never

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>>253017821

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Stahn is the best protagonist in the series. Prove me wrong.

Oh wait, you can't. His original game aged like milk and the remake still hasn't been translated.

>>253017821
>Rebirth never
>Vesperia PS3 never

>>253016862
I'm excited. I want to play it. But my efforts to obtain a Vita have been lazy. I have my 360 on craigslist which I put up for trade for a Vita. So far I have gotten responses but my copy of Vesperia is the one thing holding me back from actually sealing the deal. On one hand, I will be obtaining another great Tales game. But on the other, I will be getting rid of my only medium to play Vesperia on.

There is no way i could afford a Vita myself and the Xbox is the only thing I'm willing to give up.

Is the patty pirate version of vesperia out yet? i want it

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>>253017264
>there hasn't been a Nam Cobanda since Abyss and Vesperia

why

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Don't mind me, just being the best guild in the Tales series.

>>253018040
It didn't have to age. The milk spoiled before it was even put oin the shelves.

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>>253017085
Going off of the Tales I've played thus far excluding Abyss.
>Xillia
Jude's combat experience stems from home training. Him punching everything to death doesn't seem to phase him at all after the first few fights. Though he is a medical student so the sight of blood and dead bodies shouldn't bother him much.

Milla on the other hand just has little tolerance for bull so if someone needs to be put down, and it can't be helped, she will put them down. Also lord of the spirit mentality.

>Graces
Asbel trained to be a knight. Understandable. But him being so able to adapt to the battlefield is strange given that his first field mission didn't involve killing humans. You know, people with children as well. Unless there was a special desensitization program going on.

>Symphonia
Desians a worst and Lloyd was angry. Makes sense he'd be ok with opening a few stomachs.

>>253018068
Vitas are real cheap on ebay though. Just save for the next few months and get one there. Hearts doesn't come out till November.

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>>253018329
Yes.

>>253018482
I may get one with my left over tuition for school in September. But that is also going to add to my already crazy backlog, because I already have Smash Brothers and Pokemon on pre-order.