How can video games be art if they keep getting censored?

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daily reminder that nisa censors America because of Australia

Art as definition is defiled by idiots who think 'art' is a word of praise or a matter of elevated taste or something to be enjoyed by everyone.

A lot of people have a misguided notion of the whole dynamic. Which is why plebs deny niche and sexual gaming because their whole definition of art is warped.

>no substance pedo bait
>art
kop tek

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>NISA is so bad that KT had to say they weren't localizing a game

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because it's not Art in the eyes of the world.

>>252650568

What are they doing? NIS. What the hell.

>>252648628
How Can Games Be Art If Art Isn't Real?

>>252651015
If this doesn't send a clear message that they're doing things wrong i don't know what will

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Also they censor games based on feelings

>>252650568
Then what the fuck is NISA teasing.

Oh god I hope they don't handle the vita version

>>252651306

It's sad that that Gust reaffirming that they were in charge gave a an honest sense of relief.

>>252649365

http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/Results.aspx?q=criminal+girls&t=c

Game was never submitted to Australia, stop buying into NISA's bullshit.

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>hurrr my pedoshit is art

>>252648628

There is nothing wrong with censorship. You can't prove me wrong.

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>>252651853
they're hiding behind unofficial conversations

>>252652162

>Unofficial conversations.

Doesn't work like that there, the publisher pays the board to assess the game then the judgement is left on the website. That's why so many localization confirmations come from Australia.

NISA is trying to pass the buck and pretend they're not responsible.

>>252652534
Pretty much, and even if the ESRB and PEGI approved the uncensored content they would still have to censor it for both regions because of australia.

>>252651980
It makes good art bad.

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>work at NISA
>have to deal with pedo neckbeards wondering why their mushroom cum on little girls simulators is getting censored in America

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so how long can NISA keep this up? they have other companies having to tell people that they aren't censoring their games because NISA is censoring games that don't need to be

>>252652984
Good art doesn't get censored, so it's only censoring out the already bad art, which is good.

>>252653182
Why does their employees even work for a company that localizes games that do that if it offends them so much?

Can't you just name these "NISA censorship thread" so I can filter them?

NISA is getting blacklisted aren't they? Jap devs wouldn't want to be sullied by association now.

>>252653379
No.

>niche pornography for creepy types
>next week they'll be bitching about an almost identical game, Shining Farts ~Gaiden~, being censored
biggest deal in the world right here

>>252652916

Senran Kagura Burst is uncensored and has a lower rating in Australia than either Europe or US, they have no metric to be judged by; what's allowed in 10 games will be the same reason 1 game is refused classification, they're fucking insane.

But that's beside the point. The point is NISA is full of shit and didn't approach ANY ratings boards and the whole of the blame falls on their internal decisions.

>>252653361

Yeah it's not like they don't want to lose the job or anything.

>>252653438
unfortunately NIS is still keeping them afloat with localizations

>>252653379
No. Go back to reddit.

>>252653554
Anytime someone brings up the Senran Games NISA begins to hide behind the ESRB unofficial consult and ignoring reality. Would informing the ratings boards about this do anything?

>>252653526
You don't belong here.

>>252653304
I could take the time to blow you the fuck out of the water with a well thought out and rationalize argument as to why censorship in video games is a bad thing and how your misguided views are probably an ill attempt to rustle some jimmies.

But in all reality you're just a massive cocksucking nigger.

>>252653607
They won't much longer. NIS is dying and the few titles they do put out won't be enough for NISA to stay in business.

>>252652916
No it's called releasing a babby version for the aussiefags

NISA is trying to get out of spending an extra 5 minutes to manage both a censored and uncensored version

>>252653304
Good art does get censored. Censoring changes the work as a whole. Making it less good. Which is bad.

>tfw sent an email to NISA support yesterday about CG censorship
>tfw no response yet
>tfw will probably never get a response

>NISA does dumb shit
>blames ratings boards for it even though none of them actually said anything
can't they get sued for that?

>>252653834

Unlikely because they don't care and the modified version will be the only game they'll have submitted.

It's too bad Japanese game developers aren't more like Miyazaki and actually fight the cutting of their creations in overseas markets.

>>252654224
I fucking hope.

Didn't realize NISA was full of SJWs.

Shoulf have seen it when they said 'problematic'

>>252651980
the burden of proof is on you, you fucking idiot.

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>>252651980
Well, it obviously depends on what is getting censored to tell how bad it is. I heard pic related's first U.S. Translation actually tried to hide character deaths. Something like that would be inexcusable.

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>>252651980
>there is nothing wrong with censorship.

>>252651980

>You can't prove me wrong.

Actually it's pretty easy to prove you wrong. Taking parts out of a product alters the original product, and also alters the experience of using the product. In other words, playing a censored game is not the same as playing an uncensored game. Censorship in itself means something was removed. As in, the censored product is less than the original product.

TL;DR: Censorship makes a game incomplete.

>>252654173
Hahaha, oh wow, fags aren’t answering your support e-mail, while Idea Factory responded to pretty much every complaint e-mail for MonHon’s censorship, two cases of stupid, but at least side is polite enough..

>>252654613
The upper staff was rearranged some years ago, so them being this much of a band of faggots can’t traced back to their creation.

>>252654836
Actually I went and looked at the thread for the game on reddit just to see how bad it was and even reddit seem to agree censoring the game was bullshit. What the fuck?

Just import the game

>>252650568
>censored the game before even announcing it
i laughed

Can we all agree that letting XSeed handle localizations would be the best course of action?

>>252656668
If only they had the resources to localize everything.

>>252649365
Well of course they're all going to tell you that the punishment scenes are 'problematic'. The ratings boards wouldn't be doing their jobs if they thought everything put in front of them was rainbows and sunshine.

The problem here is that NISA is refusing to listen to people who knows what the hell they're talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if NISA has some sort of victim complex, and that all the ratings boards are out to get them

>>252656127
Between the timely and respectful emails, talk of PC ports, and outsourcing to aksys...I'm kinda willing to give IFI another shot

>>252657409
not until they patch in the missing cars in monpiece.

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>>252656668
>>252656890
This
>grand knight historia will never come to the west

>>252656890
They can just release games on pc to see if it's worth the money.
Because with niche games, there is a bigger chance that'll sell on pc imo.

>>252657975

>sell
>on pc
>implying anything niche sells on the pirate machine

They're be better off releasing games on popular but impossible to crack consoles.

>>252657805
Game is dead online, anyway

>>252658129
I don't care about what mustards do or say, but he's right. Niche games benifit from PC releases.

>>252657854
There is a fan translation.

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>>252658384
>fan translations
I'd rather not play it at all

>>252650568
Wait, is NISA handling the Vita version?
If so, I'll have to end myself. It's like NISA deliberately wants to take hold of everything just so they can get dibs on butchering it

>>252653304
>Good art doesn't get censored
You are the best
Made me laugh

>>252658129
Well they released the YS games on steam, but I don't know if they sold well.

>>252652162
>forgot the p
>got this
https://i.imgur.com/yMgvHm.png

>>252654224
That would imply that rating boards give a fuck about having a good reputation.
Everybody hates them already, so why bother?

>>252658129
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm gonna buy the hell out of TiTS once it comes around.

>>252658491
>>252658384
>>252657854
Fan translation > official localization (most of the time)
Though the fan translation has bugs in the case of GKH

>>252658524
No, idiot. That's the entire point of the picture.

NISA released that censored "hint" or some shit, everyone got fucking furious, and Gust/Tecmo Koei immediately came out saying "NISA is not doing shit with our game, rest assured."

It's a pretty clear tell that everyone is aware of how much hate NISA is getting.

>>252658129
Have you seen how well shit sells on Steam?
People even bought the godawful Agarest.
I did as well.

>>252659251
You think that TK is having NISA handle the European distribution?
Also, you think TK hates NISA for the Atelier fuckups?

>>252651861
where do you think we are?

>>252659419
>You think that TK is having NISA handle the European distribution?

Come on, man. Put at least a little bit of brain power in this shit. NISA is an American company. It's in their fucking name. While I suppose it's within the realm of possibility that they "could" handle the European distribution, I highly doubt it.

The fact is, nobody knows what the fuck NISA is smoking when they put up that tweet.

>Also, you think TK hates NISA for the Atelier fuckups?
Don't just blindly hate NISA (even if they deserve it.) To be objectively fair, Atelier was an "okay" localization. I don't see any reason why TK would hate them for working on those games.

>>252659419
TK first announced Ar noSurge for yurop so no, they are handling the localization, not NISA.

>>252659881
Its not that TK hates them, its just that the consumer doesn't trust NISA to handle anything and was worried that NISA was going to ruin something which is even worse for them

>>252659881
I'm guessing he's confused because NISA handles publishing of Atlus games in Europe even though they aren't a Europe company.

>>252659881
>Come on, man. Put at least a little bit of brain power in this shit. NISA is an American company. It's in their fucking name.
They're handling Atlus USA's games in Europe, like Soul Hackers and Persona Q.

>ask Houk to confirm his statements on the the unofficial consultation and NISA only making one version of the game as true
>'Are you preparing to publish this in some way?"
should i just tell him that I'm going to post it on a forum or pretend that I'm going to keep this conversation private?

>>252660264
If it was just mere distrust, TK wouldn't have been so hasty to assure everyone that NISA isn't touching the game.

I'm not downplaying what you're saying, but just saying that it goes beyond mere "distrust." It's something more than that, and everyone but NISA knows it.

>>252660402
>>252660529
I had forgotten that, sorry. I'm American, so it's not something I encounter very often.

So, if TK "were" going to let NISA handle distribution, then in light of that tweet I'd say it's pretty fair to assume that they wouldn't touch that shitbag company with a ten-foot pole in the current situation.

>>252660964
Pretend. It's more fun,which is the reason a ton of posts on this website are incredibly retarded.

>>252660964
if you're planning to make it available to the public then say yes, if they aint got nothing to hide they should be fine with it

>>252648628

Most people don't think that shit's "art" in the way art is usually described.

I think it's art however. shitty art. Just like Demon Gaze and Monpiece.

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>>252661742
>implying

why does everyone say there's a fan translation for this game? i've looked and there isn't. there is an english guide, but it only gets to the 2nd dungeon

Wait I'm confused, the only reason any would even buy this pile of shit is the fanservice.

Why the fuck would they censor it?

>>252662315
I've only heard that the menus were in english

NISA's previous fuckups :
(Those with question marks have been rumored but cannot be entirely verified so take those with a grain of salt)

AR TONELICO ELEMIA, MANA KHEMIA 1 and 2
o Bad string handling leading to complete crash against specific bosses (AT1, MK2) / major part of the extra dungeon enemies (MK1). MK2's crash is rather easy to avoid, though.
o MK1: Unnecessary and flagrant name changes to a variety of playable main characters.
o MK2: Lack of testing in the extra chapter leads to crashes when doing certain tasks if Ulrika is the main character instead of Raze: Student handbook and Job post usage crash the game.

AR TONELICO METAFALICA
o Typographical errors, missing words, and shaky sentences, mistranslation of important game terms, inconsistently-adapted names
o Localization introduced or exposed game-crashing bugs in the game.
o NISA marketed the game based on Sex Appeal, when, in fact, AT2 was intended to be a more serious and thoughtful game, with less emphasis on cheap hooks and a greater focus on the plot, than Ar Tonelico Elemia
o In order to fit English voice acting onto the disc, they cut approximately half of the Japanese voice-acted scenes, leaving many important plot points lacking appropriate impact.

AR TONELICO QOGA
o Typographical errors and untranslated text in various spots on top of their "translation" not even being remotely close to the japanese track and english voice track, what little there is, not even matching the text in some areas.
o Binary Field (DLC episodes) scam where they put out each chapter separate then a few days after a bundle pack which didn't work if you had downloaded the first episode.

HYPERDIMENSION NEPTUNIA
o Neptunia 1 would crash on the dungeon leaderboard screen if it couldn't upload your score while you were on PSN for whatever reason.

>>252662848
HYPERDMENSION NEPTUNIA mk2
o Very questionable localization quality. (bad translation, unfunny jokes/lines added to several dialogues which changed the characters personalities at times)

HYPERSIMENSION NEPTUNIA V
o Very questionable localization quality. (bad translation, unfunny jokes/lines added to several dialogues which changed the characters personalities at times)
o Didn't tell the gamers idol events DLC would not be included, then, when brought to attention, denied any and all knowledge of such DLC.
o Freezing issues with some DLC.

WITCH AND 100 KNIGHT
o Game-crashing bugs (rumour about a GameFAQs user fixing everything and mailed such solution/file to NISA. Still no official support nearly a half year from release, nor token mention of any such thing.)
o Mediocre translation. Added jokes and nonsense to dialogue.
o PS3 overheating (Confirmed to be replicable by person who originally made the post) http://nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14425&start=90


ATELIER ARLAND TRILOGY
o Name changing: Esty Erhart => Esty Dee (S T D = Sexual Transmission Disease, get it? XD)

RHAPSODY DS
o http://www.siliconera.com/2008/10/13/bonus-content-cut-from-rhapsody-ds/
o http://www.siliconera.com/2008/10/14/falling-flat-encountering-rhapsodys-ds-glitches/

DISGAEA 2 PSP
o They fucked up the dlc characters so they don't have voices.
o They decided not to release all the dlc characters, but released the final character, majin hinako.
o Majin hinako unlocks item book collection slots because it assumes you have the other dlc characters.
o Downloading majin hinkao means you can't complete the collection book, effectively killing anyone going for 100%

DISGAEA D2
o Game-crashing SKILLS (several Fire-based)
o OPENING stops abruptly
o Fuuka and Desco were free DLC for the first month after release in Japan and Asia. Day 1 paid DLC in USA and EU.
CPU melting bug at release

>>252662794
the menus are in english by default

>>252663028
You're still forgetting the Disgaea 3 rozalin and adell on the game disc and the dlc ball fuck up

>>252662848
>>252663028
the saddest thing about this is that someone took all the time to type all this. go away you retard

>>252663028
MUGEN SOULS
o Scrubbing minigame removed over 120 CGs removed. Basically censored extremely lazily. Excuses given over the years were many and varied, but some of them were "We wanted to appeal as much as possible to a wider demographic." "The vocal minority can't put a dent in our wallet." "We find this content creepy." "Unofficial ESRB rep indicated this title has potential for AO (it didn't)"
o Created new bugs and glitches not seen in the JP release
o Massive lag during regular battles
o Can fail an area load after a battle forcing you to restart from your previous save

MUGEN SOULS Z
o Scrubbing minigame removed, over 120 CGs removed. See entry for Mugen Souls
o Elka introduced as the Hero of Water World when she's the hero of the Fire World
o Slumbering Boss battles cause freezes in Mugen Field

>>252663259
Tell me more and I'll add it.

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>you will never kiss this belly after prodding it

>>252653182
>working at NISA
Well there's your problem.

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>>252650568
GODFUCKINGYEAH this pleases me so fucking much.

NISA is so so shit, that other companies have to openly state NISA has nothing to do with their products.

Of course, NISA and NISAfags, still believe they are doing no wrong.

NISA will always exist because of Disgaea. Disgaea fags are truly cancer.

>>252664125
>NISA will always exist because of Disgaea. Disgaea fags are truly cancer.

Disgaea 4 sold like shit, comparatively to the rest of them. NIS is trying to "appeal to a wider demographic" for Disgaea 5.

Disgaea is no longer the cashcow it used to be.

>>252663407
Well Adell and rozalin are on disc dlc. That is self explanatory

Disgaea 3 dlc in the original japan release if you buy all the dlc you get to fight baal and a special thank you message. Now you could get this by purchasing the dlc one by one or the bundle in japan

Now when NISA brought the dlc and you bought all the dlc individually you didn't get the baal fight. Only way to do the fight is buying the bundle so if you already payed $50 in dlc you need to pay for it again in a bundle to fight baal.
Gamefaqs was fucking pissed at the time.

How is NISA still around if there was so many complaints against them?

Is Danganronpa going to keep them afloat now?

>>252664642
seems to be

>>252664642
Loyal fanboys. Same reason Bioware is still around.

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welp

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>>252651980

>>252664510
On disc DLC isn't an issue, if NIS did it first. The scope of this list isn't listing NIS's evils, but NISA's.

The second bit is pretty fucked up, however. Sounds pretty similar to the Ar Tonelica 3/Qoga bullshit scam.

>>252664812
But are their fans that loyal that they can be kept afloat?

Like for shit like Mugen Souls, I doubt even their fans would care for that.

>>252665094
lel

>>252653906
Yeah they are literally fucked after Danganronpa 2 and Fairy Fencer F comes out.

>>252663407
Soul Nomad had also a game breaking bug.
The game would freeze every time you choose to fight an item god/deity.

>>252665124
>Like for shit like Mugen Souls, I doubt even their fans would care for that.

And you'd be right. Mugen Souls didn't sell precisely because they censored it and shit in their fans mouth. 2 years later, they still have stock of the LE.

See this gem of a video for proof that it didn't sell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJZCofYgn1Y

>>252665124
There will always be people who buy Disgaea in the west, and now that Dang It Ron Paul is popular.

>>252661904

>posting "alright" demon gaze art to try and disprove me

I'm not even going to post a picture of the shitty art in the game because you know exactly what I'm fucking talking about. Even the one you posted isn't anything great. For one the placement of her legs and ass in comparison to the perspective of the upper part of the picture looks weird., almost as if it's at an angle then it just suddenly becomes flat.

>>252665113
yeah here are the threads of gamefaqs getting mad at this if you need evidence
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/942139-disgaea-3-absence-of-justice?search=nisa

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>last night
>people PMing one of the mods on the forums
>make an account to ask him what's up with all the bugs and censorship in the nicest way I can muster since when I tried to contact support they just lied to my face
>almost 12 hours ago
>still no reply, even though he was clearly active when I sent it to him

I don't know what I expected.

anybody save those PMs where Houk was creeping on some girl?

>>252665403
>implying Prometh's butt isn't moe

>>252665804
what? really?

>>252665327
I don't understand, how can a company so small be EA tier levels of stupid?

It's like they're painfully of the fanbase they're localizing the games for.

>>252666027
When have sjws ever been logical?

>>252666027
It's because they utterly hate their core consumer base.

NISA is comprised of people with SJW-tier moral beliefs. It burns them up inside that they have to work on loli anservice games.

So, they stick their head in the sands and say "Fuck it. We're not selling shit to that crappy minority anyways," totally ignoring the fact that the minority is who pays their bills.

So is the jap version import friendly? because it looks like that's the only option now..

>>252657409
Well Neptunia ReBirth is being released uncensored in the west so they kinda redeemed themselves.

>>252666027
Because they're as bad as CF in terms of being self hating weeaboos.

>we love loli touching games but don't like loli touching because the jocks that beat me up in high school call it weird!

>>252665972
Somebody posted some last night where somebody was saying stuff like "Hey what's going on with all this censorship. I mean I'm a waitress and I can't really afford to just buy anything so I'd rather save my money than buy something with cut content" and rather than replying he tried to turn it into a discussion about where she works and what college she's going to.

>>252650807
Holy shit I need to go to /lit/ more often

>>252666517
There's nothing to censor in there.

It also retains the original cringe-worthy translation.

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>>252658491
This is the kind of faggot who pays for crunchyroll.

>>252666312
When were the SJWs around? Were the unaware of things like Disgaea?

>>252666349
Why the fuck would they even bother localizing titles like these then? What was their original goal?

>>252666507
Menus are in English. Games easy to grasp.

Lines are almost 100% voiced, so if you can not read or understand spoken Japanese, you'll miss the story.

So with the shit that Anon got from houk about the unofficial consultation and the one version for all regions, can anything be done?

>>252667117
>can anything be done?

don't buy it, encourage others to not buy it either but don't do an active boycott. Just starve them for money and attention. Hope it works, even if it probably won't.

>>252659115
What kind of bugs? I'm at the beggining of the game and everything seems to be fine.

>>252666794
>Why the fuck would they even bother localizing titles like these then?

They're poor, and fan demand for Criminal Girls has been high as fuck for years.

They lost Neptunia, their second best cashcow. Disgaea, their best cashcow, is flopping. Mugen Souls a (potential) cashcow was dead on arrival thanks to the censorship. They can't translate Atelier games any longer.

The only series they have left that sells is Dangan Ronpa, and wouldn't you know, they split the Japanese 1+2 games into two separate games, while charging you full price for both.

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Reading about how NISA handles games makes me hope they go under and I don't even like the kind of games they've localized.

>>252666794
Because they are NIS America after all and this was a NIS published game.

>>252668125

Any localisation group that arbitrarily self-censors deserves to crash and burn.

>>252668125
I wouldn't have bought this game even if it hadn't been censored but now I'm actively hoping for it to bomb just so that it can sink the damn company along with it.

>>252662848
>>252663028
>>252665113
Also I forgot to mention the dlc had alot of translation issues. Such as gig's favorite food is "hot pots" instead of hotpods and the translation issues are still in the vita release

>>252666707
>It also retains the original cringe-worthy translation.

What? They didn't bother fixing up the translation and make it more sensible? Why the fuck does NISA like to fuck up the writing/script instead of keeping it originally intact to or close to the original Japanese script?

>>252668682
Yeah, you're already translating and publishing a fairly niche type of game, why take out one of the big reasons people actually buy it?

It's sleazy but who cares, I would do that work if it pays the bills.

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>>252666676

>>252669280
Because muh larger audience

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Enjoy.

Anon who got Houk to admit that they censored the game based on unofficial consulting here. I can't access my NISA forum account so Houk must have said something that he shouldn't have that they want quiet

>>252669280
They honestly think people "like" their translations and jokes.

Also "muh wider audience"

>>252669876

Anon that made >>252669674

I still can. I think he knows that if he bans me it will make things ten times worse.

>>252669674
good job anon, you got NISA right where you want them

>>252667532
>fan demand for Criminal Girls has been high as fuck for years.

Too bad demand is gonna drop low now because its being censored.

>The only series they have left that sells is Dangan Ronpa, and wouldn't you know, they split the Japanese 1+2 games into two separate games, while charging you full price for both.

Still pissed off about that. I rather pay $40 for both instead of $80 for both($40 separately). Only way I buy it is if they repackage it containing 1 and 2 on a single cart like the JP version.

>>252669371

I'd try to avoid working at a company that upsets the very small market it caters to.

Such a business generally isn't destined for longevity and stable employment.

But we'll see how this pans out for them.

>>252670145
i still got all the important screenshots of the PM's from the back and forth we had. once i organize them I'll put them together. other than that should we send our shit to anyone in the ESRB or gaming media?

>>252669674
Holy fuck, I hope with all these complaints and NISA getting BTFO'd, I hope they end up changing their minds and end up either releaseing CGI uncensored or cancel localization of CGI.

>>252670363

Just do what anybody smart is doing and wait for used copies to show up for $20 each or less.

>>252670581

no for fucks sake DON'T SEND THIS SHIT OUT TO PEOPLE YOU'LL ONLY MAKE IT WORSE

>>252669674
>>252670145
You might be barking up the wrong tree here.

The boards haven't officially seen the game, no, as there is nothing to see. But a representative of the boards have seen some of the worst "offenders" of the Japanese version. In an unofficial capacity.

The fact remains that someone from the boards, somewhere, has at least seen a bit of it, and unofficially discussed the sort of rating it might receive from the board. This is common practice for localization companies who have "problematic" content. Even XSEED do it.

It's dishonest and disingenuous though, as the unofficial rep can not rate a Japanese game in an accurate and worthy manner for American/Europe/Aussie release, as that is not the version we will be getting, especially considering (presumably, I admit) they can not read Japanese.

Mind you, NISA doesn't give a single shit about that. If this mysterious dude even hints at the possibility of an AO rating (for any reasoning, no matter how slim) they will rally behind this as their justification to censor. Because "muh wider audience," and "muh morals."

Fuck NISA

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>>252665620
If it makes you feel any better, I never got a reply to my last post either. Not that I was expecting one at that point.

they released a statement
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/07/11/nis-america-explains-changes-criminal-girls-invite/

>>252664642
Yes Dang it Ron Paul apparently sold very well.

>>252648628
So whats the big deal about this game getting censored? I was planing to buy it ,but then i looked up the gameplay and it looked like ass.

>>252671295
>These decisions are never made lightly, and whenever we do make them, it comes after working closely with the various rating boards as well as the developer . Making the changes necessary to release some of our more niche titles in the West is not, and never has been, an attempt at making the game more appealing to a larger audience. We know that censoring a game would lose just as many fans as it may potentially bring in.


I am fucking furious. We have PROOF that this entire goddamn sentence is lying bullshit, and they have the gall to release an interview/statement/whatever saying it's otherwise?

Holy fucking SHIT I hope they all die.

>>252671295
>"it comes after working closely with the various rating boards"
My fucking god the nerve of these people

>>252666753
CrunchyRoll edits are fan translations?

>>252671616
well, should we show the proof?

>>252666753
Kill yourself Daiz.

>>252666753
I pirate crunchyroll translations

>Art ain't no good
Yes, it is!
Cut this bullshit.

>>252672810
HS is fine if you just want to watch the series as soon as it comes out to talk with /a/ but fangroup translation are usually way preffered.

>>252673026
They're all just Crunchyroll edits though.

>>252673291
Yes, improvements. Why watch a DVD when there's a BD?

>>252671616
then send it in and let NISA deal with some more backlash

>>252673026

>HS is fine

I don't get why people hate HS. Their translations aren't ever bad or fucked like say Commie or TV-Nihon. Sure there's no real polish to what they do but I mean, I watch the shows for the actual content in them not the editied in subtitles.

>>252673484
>Yes, improvements. Why watch a DVD when there's a BD?
You do know they all use Crunchyroll's video source right? No one actually provides ts raws anymore. May as well wait for BDMV encodes with that mindset.

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>>252669674
You fuck. You beat me to it.

Whatever. Here's another take with posts from the last thread

Accompanying music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3R8tkvlAlk

>>252674070
fyi HS is an automated ripping script for Crunchyshit.

>>252674070
They're generally dickheads, they don't do subs they rib CR and Funinmation also they killed Mangatraders.

>>252671616
>being this mad over pedoshit

>>252674092
The comparison was not about video quality but sub quality. One is better.

>>252674313
Fuck off Daiz you jew.

>>252674443
HS right? Go back to nyaa.

>>252674305

So?

>>252674313

I just want to watch my shows with a translation that isn't balls retarded. I've spent too much time enjoying Tokusatsu to put up with those things when I don't have to. And besides that I just really, really don't care about shitty subbing drama or whatever.

>>252669674
>>252674167
my god /v/ is amazing

>>252674704
They're all the same shit. Just download fansubs for shows that aren't actually subbed by companies.

>>252674516
>non-profit work
>jew

>>252674704
You talk as if clicking one link over the other is a gigantic hassle. Know your subgroups and chose the one you trust the most, if that's the one about Jean Pierre Eiffel getting attacked by Soul Sacrifice then that's your choice.

>>252675507

I know enough that I don't just use HS religiously, for example I'm using Buddy Waters for Jojo. But I don't see the issue most people have with them.

>>252675507
Maybe if you didn't ask for donations while stealing other people's work I'd feel more sympathy. ;)

>>252648628
Nobody cares

>>252675642
If you go to /a/ nobody will get mad at you for posting HS screenshots / filenames, Crunchyroll is competent but take too many liberties or are bound by copywright law. The only hate HS gets is for the actually people behind it, not all but their IRC is insufferable and, oh yeah, they fucking killed Mangatraders.

Did anyone save any of the messages last night from that femanon?

>>252676116
>they fucking killed Mangatraders.
It was the irc chat that was hacking Mangatraders so they could backup everything that fucked it up.

Why do people get stumped when Houk asks them what they want from him?

Tell him to release the game uncensored. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

There can be no peace until all games are released uncensored. This crusade must not end until the world is awash in blood and loli nipples, while the burning wastes echo with the cries of ?????!! and ?????????!!

>>252676648
we told him that and we got a generic "we are sorry we try to appeal to everyone" response

>>252671616
>We know that censoring a game would lose just as many fans as it may potentially bring in

The problem with that is that it's a Vita game. You're just losing sales and gaining next to none.

>>252667532
>fan demand for Criminal Girls has been high as fuck for years.

lol no. but it's more because nobody expected it to be published outside japan than anything else.

>>252676116
>they fucking killed Mangatraders.
It was /a/'s temporary irc that did it.

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>>252676648
I'm getting to the point where, aside from kanji, I can read these things...
It feels good.
Too bad I still don't know what the fuck they mean

>>252666707
>>252669280
What? No it isn't. Not only did IFI confirm retranslating, ReBirth already has an entirely new script in the first place.

>>252676760
There's more than just one problem with that line.

There's also the fact that NISA has, for years and years, stuck their head in the sand and outright denied that censorship has anything to do with Mugen Souls terrible sales.

Now they are suddenly reversing their statements to lie and garner sympathy. It is, in all senses of the phrase, damage control.

Silver linings is that you can take this as a tacit admission that they are actually paying attention. They know this is hurting them, so they need to spin it in their favor by any means possible.

>work at NISA
>dealing with complaints from pedos who want to know why they cant view loli CG images in our games

>>252676123
should be saved in the archives i think, if we can get a collection of those messages we might do some damage to nisa

>>252677242

You're lying but on the off chance you do actually work at NISA (or somebody else that does sees this thread) you realize those pedos are your only paying customers right?

>>252677242
>work at NISA
>be a disgusting scumbag who censor games for no reason
Fix'd your sentences a bit for you anon.

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I dont even give a shit about Criminal Girls I just fucking hate NISA.
Also people should have a right to their niche pervert otaku games. But mostly I hate NISA.

>>252671295
Well, at least it wasn't written by Ishaan, we should be able to at least "dislike" censoring on the comments.

>>252677242

Riddle me this:

Assuming you work at NISA (unlikely, but let's roll with it), why would you work for a company whose top game is Disgaea, a game that features a practically naked loli (Etna) and a shirtless shota (Laharl) doing silly things?

Why would work for a company that basically has shitloads of fanservice and loli games when you hate both of these things? Last I checked, you should be doing a job you enjoy (Tom seems to enjoy the fuck out of his job at XSeed).

>>252671295
It is utterly astounding how many shills and retards who don't understand how the rating boards work are in that comment section.

>>252678063
>Also people should have a right to their niche pervert otaku games.
What stops you from importing?

>>252678602

Not him, but to rephrase that:

"Also people should have a right to their niche pervert otaku games in their native language."

>>252677236
I wasn't planning on buying this game either way, but it does make me wary to purchase from them ever again.

The only things I've bought are DR and Demon Gaze.

>>252674167
i sent that last question to nisa
>NISA has said that they were censoring the game to appeal to a broader audience and then said in separate statements that the game is being censored due to ratings concerns. but Mugen souls sold poorly due to censorship and several other games have featured content as bad or worse that were entirely uncensored. so with that in mind, why are you censoring the game?

>>252678802
There are many languages in this world so I'm glad such a right does not exist.

>>252678802
Nah man, only the ones enlightened to the ways of the moon deserve them.

Whether to be enlightened or not is your own choice, however.

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The question is, what will you fags do?

OHRIGHT! Nothing, just bitching on /v/ and not-buying it will surely teach NISA, huh?

>>252679693

I'm gonna complain and tell people not to support them while not supporting them myself.

I'm not in some kind of position where I can change this for the better through personal action so the best I can do is try to get others to not buy from them and hope enough people follow that they either realize it's a bad idea to keep doing this or go out of business.

>>252679693
>not reading the posts where Anons have gotten NISA to contradict themselves

>>252679693

>The question is, what will you fags do?

I'll just pirate the PSP version and use a "let's play" or whatever the fuck to read along with the story.

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Does anyone have the full screencap of pic related?

Stupid fucks elsewhere on the internet refuse to believe NISA is lying about this ESRB shit, and they must be proven wrong with zero chance of backpedaling or accusing me of false claims.

>>252680000
One anon out of hundreds of pissed anons.

Wow. No really eh. WOW. So, what will the other 999 pedos will do? Assuming there are 100 angry pedos.

>>252679942
>>252680000
How does that help either of you?
They'll stilll release the game as it is.
And whether they go backrupt or not, you won't get the game you wanted.
You're gonna have to find another way to remedy this issue.

>>252680271
see>>252651425

>>252680381

Such as?

I can't just wave my hand and turn NISA into XSEED.

If I ever get the strong, desperate desire to play this I can always emulate the original on PSP or import the Vita version.

>>252680406
Thanks.

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Who else is having fun molesting Alic-OH RIGHT!
:(

>>252680560
>Such as?
How should I know? This is your problem. You solve it yourself.

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>>252678602
Nothing, but some people just dont have the means, confidence, or know-ho to do it.

Its just a shame they have to deal with this shite.

>>252680848

I'm trying. Starving a beggar for attention makes them die out. Maybe one day in the future there will be a proper fan translation for this on the vita emulators of tomorrow.

>>252650075
',:^)

>>252680381
>NISA says they can't localize it because ratings boards
>ratings boards never looked at it offcially
>NISA lies in official statement saying that they worked closely with the ratings boards
the next step if finding out what to do with the information that shows NISA lying, then after that see what they do and keep the pressure on them.

>>252679693
You seriously think anyone is gonna do anything? The average anon is too beta to do anything to them IRL.

>>252679693
>What is mugen souls

>>252680953
If you were trying to solve it you'd be learning moon, not hoping for a fan translation.

>>252653304
>Good art doesn't get censored
Historically it has.

>>252658524
>It's like NISA deliberately wants to take hold of everything just so they can get dibs on butchering it

Well they are SJWs.

>>252680987
Again, how will that help you get the game you wanted?
It doesn't, right?

>>252680930
I'm sure our good old pal google could help them on their way.

>>252680987
How did they lie? No seriously, they release a vague PR bullshit statement about "working closely together" with various rating boards and that's exactly what they did.

Technically this is true since they did send a couple of emails unofficially to the rating boards.

>>252680987
>the next step if finding out what to do with the information that shows NISA lying,

I'm posting it all over the siliconera article, but this is likely not enough.

I don't know what else to do that would bear more fruit, though. The only thing I can think of is starting some shit on Twitter, but I can count my experience with that site with one hand.

>>252681092
What is Mugen Souls Z, oh right, that one did SOLD OUT, so that doesnt count :)

>>252681787

The anon that posted his entire conversation with houk proved otherwise; please read all of it.

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>>252674167

>>252682060
Still sold like shit regardless.

>>252681632
>people find out about NISA lying and start a shitstrom
>NISA is a small company that has to make its employees moderate the forums for free so they cannot handle the fallout like Bioware
>NISA either brings the game uncensored or makes bigger fools out of themselves and kills off remaining fan support
I can just import it if they don't, but the entire even it just lulz worth. Why do you care so much anyway?

>>252663320
ebin

Why would NIS censor a niche genre of games that only older men play anyway??
What the fuck is wrong with these people?

worst-case scenario: game is released and censored in ALL regions
best case scenario: game is released censored in some but not all regions leaving the option to import the game in english from 'straya or somewhere else in the UK

am i following this right

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You shouldn't be buying the game in the first place, it uses the most basic JRPG battle system there is with the added hinderance of not being fully in control of the party's actions and all attacks are portrayed with the same two frame animation.

>>252682060

It probably had a much smaller print run, especially after the low sales of the original.

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I ask, EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

what are you gonna do faggots? WHAT?
>b-but that anon who posted on forums
NO, YOU, what are you gonna do?
>b-but TK even dissed NISA
NO, YOU, gaylords, YOU.

Don't loli tits deserve the time to at least make a NISA forum account and express your dislike in there?

You know what, YOU dont deserve loli spanking. Im glad this is getting censored, Im glad NISA is alive. YOU deserve it.

>>252682117
I did. All it proves is that they never officially got a rating in any official capacity. Technically they still did exchange emails and got an unofficial response which apparently let them justify their censoring.

Their press release still technically holds.

>>252682445
>That pic
Sweatingman.png

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>>252663320
>tfw talking about you

Yep, Im so proud of that txt file.

>>252682296
>Why do you care so much anyway?
I'm just trying to find a reason behind your pitiful struggle against this equally pitiful localization company.

>>252682421
Only scenario: it's censored in all regions.

>>252682537
Just as I said, it doesn't count right?
STILL, SOLD OUT in preorders alone. Cry more bitch nigga.

>>252682843
>having a defeatist attitude
i want /r9k/ to leave

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>>252682545

I made an account and I sent this to Houk but I never got a response.

Last week I emailed NISA's support asking if they would remove or change anything (lost the email by now so I can't post it, sorry) a few days before they put out an official notice of what they'd be changing and hours after I read that they sent me an email saying it would have no changes, so.

I could complain on the forums but it honestly feels like a lost cause.

>>252678323
Etna's not loli m8
but other than that you're right

>>252682941

No, it counts. I'm just pointing out that it's much easier to sell out on something with a very small run than something with a larger one. Though I guess that's common sense.

>>252680930
>Its just a shame they have to deal with this shite

Yes, it is a shame people are left in the despair of their own incompetence.

>>252682545
Forget the NISA forums. That's overrun by deluded drones. And NISA themselves have proven that they don't give a single fuck about your complaints. If anything, focus on the siliconera comments and expose NISA's bullshit PR statements to an audience that actually has a chance of listening:
>>252671295

>>252682445

You bring up a good point, as a rpg is this game even worth playing in the first place?

>>252677242
Working a NISA and censoring games is like working at a pawn shop and not buying things from drug addicts.

You're only deluding yourself

>>252679693
You clearly werent here for last nights thread when /v/ was blowing NISA the fuck out on their forums Phoenix Wright style

>>252682537
I'd assume NISA at least had the brains to abandon their hopes of making it their next Disgaea after the flop.

There are no real sexual undertones in Disgaea but I think it's still funny how Etna still gets a pass.

>>252683373
No, it is garbage and only worth playing for the fanservice, which is why it makes no sense to censor it.

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>>252682568

You need to re-read >>252669674

More specifically; 1, 7, 9, 11, and onward from there.

I specifically asked him about submissions for unofficial help. and he immediately stated that he had shared all the information he had. There is a reason the HOLD IT! is there; he refused to acknowledge his prior statement and provide an answer for it.

>>252683305
So yeah, doing nothing at all.
My point stads, you people deserve these localizations.

>>252682992
Keep fighting anon. Good work.

>>252683421
No. I been bitching since MSOuls, and I started the bitching on CGirls, but got banned for posting lewd lolis.
Just saw the pics, goodfucking job.


Off to siliconera to post opinions and shit.

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>>252682992

found it. Man I'm glad the new archives keep images.

>>252683663
Sharing all the information he had meant "sharing all the information he can share", he was still withholding a bunch of shit from you.

>>252683938

Which just proves my point, does it not?

Either they did send it, and didn't actually get a recommendation to censor it back - or they never sent it in the first place.

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>>252683917
whats this bullshit?

>>252683373
The PSP original is the most boring of blatant fanservice game I've played. Frequent random encounters and grinding blandly presented battles just to pump that EXP into simple minigames where you try to expose as much of a still image as possible, and now even that insentive is gone? Sweet.

>>252683917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf63D4EQtV8

>You were there for Unlimited Corneredworks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdU8oqCbvzo

>>252683421
So in the end you accomplished nothing that gets you anywhere close to the product you so desire.
Laughable.

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>>252683917

"No, no, stop! W-we didn't censor your game, i-it was ESRB and PEGI!"

>>252684367
>>252683597

I see, I guess that answers that question.

Thanks.

>>252679693
What am I supposed to do? Torch the NISA offices?

>>252684769
Well duh, we're not wizards yet. We cant do the impossible, all we can do is blow them the fuck out and expose their hypocrisy to sabotage the sales of the game so that NISA will die more quickly.

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>>252685119
>Torch the NISA offices?
You could, and you should.

But you won't, faggot loser.

>>252684769
What are you even arguing? It's not like we can take the game from NISA and publish it ourselves.

How was the danganropa translation? didnt it ruin anything?

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>>252648628
>Not learning japanese and play the original game as it's supposed to be
>Japanese
>Hard

>>252685267
>We cant do the impossible

Of course you can't, it would require you to browse other sites than 4chan.
It would require you to go to facebook, twiter, nisa forums, vidya sites. Nothing that needs you to leave your chair, yet youll do nothing.

>>252684769
Im not buying the game and being as vocal as possible about how terrible the localization is while supporting superior localizations from companies like Xseed.

I'm doing everything I can.

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>>252685731
>>I'm doing everything I can.
Its OK man, I know its the best you can do. I know.

>>252685710
You act like I'm not being vocal about this. I got banned from their forum for posting about it there and I'm also expressing concerns on Twitter and plan to post on Siliconera and other articles when I get home.

>>252685667

No, but they did cut what was originally a bundle of the two games into two separate releases. Both full priced.

>>252682984
Yeah well I want stupid people to stop posting but HERE YOU ARE.

>>252685667
I know it had some pointless name changes and it probably had some ebin maymays thrown in.

The o ly thing they havent fucked up recently is Demon Gaze, but only because Kadokawa was breathing down their necks.

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>>252686203
>being this butthurt that people are trying to do something about a shitty company

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This isn't even related but it was in the comments for that article and now I'm kinda upset.

I mean fuck I don't like Lollipop Chainsaw but if people are gonna claim shit like Bioshock Infinite is a work of art I don't see why LC can't be art too.

>>252686276
>>The o ly thing they havent fucked up recently is Demon Gaze, but only because Kadokawa was breathing down their necks.

Yeah right, another "/v/ fact". Love those.

>>252682941
I've never seen more blatant damage control from a shill before.

NISA, just put on tripcodes.

>>252685667
Genocider Syo -> Genocider Jill

>>252686645
Alright then Houk tell us another recent NISA release that wasnt fucked over in some way

>>252682941
Houk pls go and stay go.

>>252686825
When you show me proof that Kadokawa was supervising NISA about DGaze.

>>252685710
>It would require you to go to facebook, twiter, nisa forums, vidya sites.

NISA forums are a null zone. Censorship of any mention of censorship is being applied heavily and judiciously. I'm posting on SiliconEra trying to convince these retarded shill fucktards that they are being lied to, but they refuse to believe it.

Is there some sort of thing on facebook? I've got a facebook account lying around here somewhere that I use solely to get free things, once every year or so. Tell me if I can use it to give a massive "fuck you" to NISA.

>>252687109
NISA has a facebook

>>252686524
Tell him to check his privilege and that he doesn't get to decide what's art.

Also call him racist for comparing foreign culture to Micheal Bay.

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>>252679235
Nice. Get back to us with what they say
Would love an explanation for this

I thought the only thing they were changing was some steam and voices?

>>252687467
they added steam and completely removed the voices

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>>252680368
Look at you fucking sweat
I get off to faggots like you who desperately try to defend the guilty party

We don't need to raid NISA. We've already won

>>252687380
That doesn't actually mean anything to me.

I have never used facebook once in my entire life except to click the "like" button on certain pages to get free shit. I have no idea how to operate that shit site.

>>252687039
>proof
There's that word again. Like when someone on /pol/ unironically uses the word "privilege" or "problematic" or "shitlord". On /pol/ it's SRS outing themselves, in this case it's a NISAshill outing himself.

Proof indeed.

>>252687609
All the voices?

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>>252687109
>but they refuse to believe it.
Some people don't want to believe

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http://www.siliconera.com/2014/07/11/nis-america-explains-changes-criminal-girls-invite/#comment-1481114382

How'd I do?

>>252687973
just the ones in the punishment game, but there were enough of them to fill up an entire cd in japan

>>252687885
Google search "NISA facebook", if you're logged into facebook you'll be able to post on there.

>>252688013
Did anyone respond?

>>252687945
Dont bring pol or dodge the question.
Wheres my proof? I FUCKING HATE NISA, but as anons have showed in the thread, there are lots of pics showing how Houk is just bullshitting us.

So, why is there no pics or facts or twitters or whatever about Kadokawa supervising NISA regarding DGaze.

Anon, pls.

>>252688215

One person, asking for clarification on where exactly he refused to acknowledge talking to the ESRB/PEGI/Etc.

>>252688361
because NISA didn't fuck up demon gaze and put extra clothing on prometh

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>>252687427
USE THEIR DARKNESS AGAINST THEM
LET THE SHADOWS BURN IN LIGHT LESS, BLACK FIRES

I like it.

>>252674167
Nice

>>252685929
Nice

>>252686524
>no
>stop
>nononononono
You're raping him, anon. You're raping him with the truth

>>252688432
Of course he did.

>>252688361
I hate to say this but ONLY NISA shills have been assheadedly demanding "proof" over inane things trying to kill momentum in these threads. I'm not going to play your game, shill.

DGaze is not the topic at hand here. What happened with that game is irrelevant to all the other shit going on now. Do your own digging, don't insist people spoonfeed you, casual.

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>>252688013
SUPERB anon.

Keep the good work.
Also, I can't be the only one that thinks that some of these extreme SJW posters in GAF and siliconera are just /v/irgins trying to troll other /v/irgins just for lulz.

>>252688872
>>252688491
As suspected. Nice proof faggots. No really.

Guess all these NISA hate is just one step away from becoming just a /v/meme.

>>252689191
Fuck off NISA shill

>>252682545
>what are you gonna do faggots? WHAT?
not buy shit from gaylords, import, emulate, play fan translations, whatever the fuck i want.

i can't be arsed learning nippon, but i wont pay for censorship from a bunch of niggers who aren't even fans of the shit they're working on.

So what's the plan for taking this scandal to the media? Do we go for bad PR to try to make NISA back off on the censorship entirely, or just keep converting potential buyers into boycotting?

Personally I think we should stay off "gaming journalism" as much as possible, considering we already know they're compromised. Does Criminal Girls have an Amazon page yet?

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>>252685667
>How was the danganropa translation? didnt it ruin anything?
Nope, actually. The translation was good and the few changes were understandable.

Also: NO memes

Witch & 100 Knight was almost perfect if it wasn't for the scant amount of Eng VA work (which was well acted) and GAME BREAKING BUG THESE FAGGOTS NEVER PATCHED

Also Demon Gaze was great.

Dangan ronpa 2 is looking really good also:
SKIP TO 2:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvV3s6lpt5o

There is one singular team amidst the shithouse that is NISA that does good work. No one knows who they are or even if it's just one guy, but he is the lone hero who carries a heavy burden

>>252689797
No Amazon page yet, but when it does that's a good idea

For once in my pathetic virgin life, I am actually more pissed about the story/dialog changes, than the censoring of lewd.

It's pretty much guaranteed that punishment time will be renamed to motivation time. That change alone will mess up the story so hard. Punishment is seen as a negative action, while motivation is often seen as a positive action. What kind of 'motivation' uses electrocution and whips?

They are going to change the original script so much to work with their censorship, it will make 4kids blush

>>252689797
Send the femanon's messages to kotaku, cry sexism.

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>>252689191
>As suspected. Nice proof faggots. No really.
Proof of what?
About Kadokawa supervising Demon Gaze?
Kadokawa usually sticks close to their products even via translation. It's as much of fact as SpikeChunsoft doing the same thing.

No hard evidence on Kadokawa, though, you're right, but it's not insane to figure when even Houk admitted in the forums that
>We've been working closely with Spike Chunsoft
and that SpikeyChun went so far as to mandate that certain things remain the same like "Monokuma" and etc.

No proof on Kadokawa, true, but as I said, it's not crazy talk to believe it.

There's only two games that aren't from NIS that NISA hasn't censored, fucked with, or broken recently, and those are Demon Gaze and Danganronpa.

>>252690354
I thought about it for a while, and the 'motivation' between airquotes actually does make me kind of giggle a bit more than 'Punishment time'

"Don't wanna fight huh, Shin? Guess I need to motivate you a little!"
"That doesn't sound so ba--- *AUDIO CENSORED BY NISA*"
"NIce to see you all motivated now!"
"...g-guh... nnn~..."

I'd rather have the original, sure, but the new name for it and the difference between it and what is actually happening just can't help but make me chuckle.

>>252689797
I say try as hard as possible to get NISA to change their minds. If release day hits and they change nothing, then start a fake feminist campaign calling out the assault of virtual womyn within the minigame

They either get pissed enough to uncensor out of spite, or start censoring twice as hard and no one buys their shit ever again

Either way, we win

>>252689954
Monokuma's voice still makes me want to tear my ears off.

>>252691182
why not blackmail NISA with the PMs?

>>252691182
Waaaaay too politician route for my taste. I'd rather just add it to the NISA fuck ups list and wait for their next release, really.

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>tfw you know Japanese

Glad I'll never had to deal with that shit.

So if we spread the PMs from houk on the internet can we stop this?

>>252691684
Please teach me senpai!

I'm slowly learning it, it will be years before I can read stuff without effort.

>>252690996
>tfw Witch and the Hundred Knight still hasn't been patched

>>252692312
>Years
If you don't fuck around and do it constantly then you should be able to understand moonrunes easily within a year.

>>252691092
They cut out all emotion when they removed the voices. It really is just a dumb pointless minigame now that gives you stats. As people said earlier, the voices are good interactive indicators that show how well you are progressing with a girl. Now you have to get the same feels by reading a number

>>252692457

I'm not kidding when I say that if it gets patched I will buy the game. It is the only NISA game I've been interested in since 2010 or so but fuck that game breaking bug shit.

By the way, I played the PSP version of criminal girls and all the girls there felt like they created a pretty solid team as is.

How do Himekami and Miu play? Are they OP? Do they have associated sins?

>>252692608
The hardest part for me now is to find shit I'm actually interested in reading. After I started learning I suddenly lost all motivation to read the stuff I wanted to read. And I can't seem to find anything that can keep me glued to it for several hours.
I won't drop it, but I realize I'm going at a snails pace.

How long did it take you anyway ?

Man did I really just spend two hours arguing with people on silliconera about this shit what is wrong with me

>>252693734
nothing, you are doing work of god

>>252693734
It's like arguing to someone across a canyon only to find out that it was your distorted echo the entire time.