If Mach Rider is ever revealed as a playable character I'm going to loop the theme song on my phone and slit my wrists open, leaving only in my absence a suicide letter for Sakurai Masahiro and my ghost of a corpse.
>Wanting Mewtwo to return Well, I accept your opinion just for me hoping that if Mewtwo does get in, Dan Green (or any va that does a really good impression of it from the English 1st movie) would voice it instead of reusing the Japanese 1st movie va voiceclips from Melee.
>>252258498 I think it's because they are the most important side characters from big Nintendo series that just for whatever reason haven't made it in yet. After them the most requested characters seem to mostly be third parties and the protagonists of smaller series.
>>252260010 Sakurai would never make wonder red playable because he was too fucking early in development, he took greninja because the pokemon spot, roy was pushed by IS and sakurai wanted siguard. And if the game wasn't even out how would sakurai take a fully moveset from? Roy was a fire marth and Gamefreak borrowed a lot of concept art to sakurai He doesn't have a chance He has more chance of being AT because his model is detailed but not at a playable chracter level
>>252260505 While I want more niche representation myself, I must say that I strongly disagree. Ok maybe I would like a more modern version of Megaman like X or Megaman from MvC, but the other characters are good characters who deserve the spotlight.
>>252260602 I dunno, maybe because Sakurai doesn't give a shit about patterns? Ever considered you might not know as much as you think?
>>252260606 He's good friends with Kamiya, I'm sure if he asked he could take some ideas from Kamiya himself and implement them in a smash game. Oh and quit getting mad over speculation.
>>252259339 This is why I'm so salty with the roster so far and that damn leak. We're getting less newcomers and the ones we're getting aren't the ones people wanted or expected. And Sakurai likely did this to keep things exciting but instead it's only made things hostile and volatile. I really don't want Ridleyfans to go through seven more years of 2BIG LOL bullshit and I really want to play as K. Rool. I got Pac-Man and if he's in it'll be the roster I dreamt of since 11th grade.
>>252253013 Didn't Gematsu recently add Ridley and Mewtwo as well as Isaac? I hope they all make it, with K. Rool. I know there's a lot of bitching and arguing about Ridley and to a lesser extent Mewtwo/K. Rool, but they'd really spice up the roster outside of those last 3 Gematsu characters. Sure the roster's not bad but after the whole shadow thing I was really hoping Sakurai was setting us all up for a hype Ridley reveal.
Still just as long as there's some surprises that aren't Chrom Shulk and the Chorus Men I'll be happy. Holding out hope it's the big guy, even if it's a foolish hope.
>>252261217 Have you ever considered that the leak isn't the full list of newcomers? Have you also considered that since there is no subspace story mode in addition to the fact that Namco is part of sakurais development team that maybe the number of characters can go above 56?
>>252261153 So? when he meet with kamiya was fucking long time after W101 being finished. Also japanashed phil phis only worked on gameplay, he doens't need permition of him. Plus he had the roster complete in august 2012. one month after the presentation. And the slplatoon kids don't have nothing to do with patterns and it's an accurate comparasion to wonder turd The game wasn't nearly in alpha in that time.
Stop being delusional over a possible assist trophy
And sakurai conisderes sales about character, like he mentioned about takamaru in intervies when he said if takamaru port for gba sells well he might consider him in a future samsh bros, W101 flopped.
>>252261217 This upsets me the most. If Ridley isn't in that's 6-7 more years of people wanting him. If so many want him then they obviously don't give a fuck about the main games canon. He's died like 9 times, been cloned once, cyborged once or maybe twice. He's an unkillable creature much like Ganondorf. Same with K. Rool, he's wanted quite a lot by DKC fans and understandable so.
>>252254460 I like it when K. Rool and Ridley guys are at least supportive of each other. Maybe one side or the other doesn't care about the other getting in. For me I'd far much rather have Ridley in, for example. I'll cheer for the K. Rool guys though and defend their desire to have him included.
I just hope if they're going to have one or two more reveals before release that they're one of these guys. Characters that fans have wanted for ever. Yeah we got Megaman, and Lil Mac, but even Ridley has been more wanted than Mac was. Not saying Mac didn't deserve it, he totally did. I just feel Ridley, K. Rool, and even Mewtwo deserve to be there too. I just really fucking hope Nintendo gives a damn. That's what has me worried the most. Nintendo/Sakurai just not giving two shits.
>>252261639 I said so far. That said, I can definitely see Sakurai stopping at the ones in the leak, with Smash Run, the moveset customization, and in general balancing things out. I'm not gonna do what I did with Brawl over again. Either I get surprised and eat my words or I get what I expect and brush it off.
>>252262050 >Also stop sperging out over video games, nerd. For fuck sakes nowadays this board is filled with so many faggots who literally use “nerd” and “virgin” unironically as an insult. I think you may wanted to go the fallowing sites:
>>252262123 >>252262115 Gematsu+ may just be a rumor of the leak, not real. I'd like it to be but, just like with Gematsu, I still don't take leaks as 100%. Not because I don't believe, but I'm just of the mind that we won't know for sure if a leak is totally legit until after release. So even if Jesus or some shit came down to my room and told me Ridley would be playable, I'd still be skeptical.
Does anyone know if there's much discussion about Ridley on Miiverse? I'm curious if there is. I just would like to know that, somehow, Nintendo at least knows of all the most wanted newcomers that the fans give a damn about. I'm not talking every single request. I'm talking the ones that are brought up time and time and time again. The Ridleys, K. Rools, bringing back Mewtwo, Isaac. These characters are requested every game and neglected, Mewtwo even being cut. This just does not seem fair to the fans at all. I've never made a game though so what do I know about making the fans happy? It's not like I'm a fan or anything.
You guys are being civil and even discussing Ridley. It's like Bizzaro /v/. I can't let go of the feeling that Sakurai is playing us for a hype Ridley reveal but I gotta keep myself of the mind that he could be delusional enough to think Boss Ridley is the bees knees. This uncertainty is destroying me.
>>252262115 Fun fact: I'm that same dude in both responses.
I really don't have the energy or the will to put up with another wait if Ridley/K. Rool are absent from the roster. I'm barely managing this time and I'll pretty much write off Smash if my worst fears come to pass.
>>252262591 Fans make up most of the sales. Imagine of you catered to a certain fanbase. That's sales increase right there. But I don't think Sakurai knows or cares about fanbases. It is what it is and you can't do anything about it. Someone's going to be disappointed.
>>252263820 >I don't like it so it's strawming It isn't, you were just being retarded >complaining by the reaction image stop being a fag, I've never pointed out your badley draw reaction images of CR And it was a very worth debate counting your replies and walls of text This ain't not game you were the only one shitposting In my thread I'm out
>>252262970 It's been too long at this point for him to just be a boss. This is pretty much the same shit he did with Palutena but taken further. There is no reason to hint at a non-playable character this much and I just cannot believe that Sakurai would be so out of touch that he would think fans would be excited over a stage boss.
>>252264428 I don't get how people can say Sakurai doesn't care about fans when Mega Man and Little Mac are on the roster on the roster. Not to mention most of the other newcomers come from popular franchises (plus Palutena because she's Sakurai's waifu)
I swear everyone always overestimates the popularity of their favorites.
>>252265729 He does care but to what extent? Everyone assumes, or fears, Ridley is just a boss but most don't want him to be. Why tease him as a boss if nobody wants that? It's retarded and angering because Metroids second rep was just naked fucking Samus. Yes I'm goddamn mad.
Or, hear me out, they want Krystal because she has a greater potential to not be a slightly tweaked clone like Wolf?
It's funny how you claim people want X character only because of Y thing, but you DON'T want her in because you're so simple in your mental processing that you think everyone else is so shallow and one dimensional.
>>252267621 Or maybe they don't want her because she's a terrible character? Her debut was in the wildly unpopular Starfox Adventures, and the handling of her character in every following game is nothing short of a trainwreck.
Add that on top of the fact that Starfox already has more reps than anyone ever wanted and it's a recipe for disaster. Just fucking cut Falco and alter some of Wolf's moves so he's more unique and the franchise is absolutely fine.
>>252263269 The Gematsu leak (which has so far turned out to be true, it's predicted every newcomer except Rosalina) said they would be in, which made people realize "shit, that would actually be pretty cool, and since the guy also predicted wii fit trainer it's most likely going to happen"
>>252267621 But Krystal IS a cancerous character that appeals almost exclusively to an undesirable crowd. She had no memorable personality traits, debuted in a mediocre Zelda clone with a Star Fox coat of paint, replaced the well liked Peppy in the cockpit, and her relationship drama was a driving plot point in command.
Am I the only one who thinks that there might possibly be another Pikmin rep? I mean Kid Icarus and Mother have 2 reps for 3 games over larger periods of release time AND less sales compared to Pikmin in Mother's case. The only question would be who it would be.
>>252270593 Gematsu has some validity. Not saying it's true, but if it is, Lucas is gone. That's why he's a might. Personally, I think he's coming back. No starting character has even been cut from a Smash game. PT doesn't count as Charizard is returning. If TL is coming back, so is he. Besides, he's the 2nd biggest Mother rep. Who else would they have? Nobody, that's who.
>>252271334 Mewtwo is a maybe. Very popular and requested, and GF has been pushing him with the newest Pokemon generation. Roy's gone. He was a clone out in to advertise an unpopular Japan-only game. Not many people actually like Roy himself in FE6. I found him to be bland and wimpy in-game. Rather have Ephraim rep the portable Fire Emblem games.
>Does the announcer have to change the character's name? >Does it alter the character's hitboxes? >Does it alter the character's voice and personality significantly? >Can the costume have it's own set of color swaps?
>>252272896 If Marth's getting an alt, then it would be best if it was recognizable, notably different, and distinguishable from default Marth at a distance. Marth's design from Awakening is the same as Lucina's, and adding a mask would help make it stand out.
>>252273374 One of the characters cut from Brawl for space, and given that 4U seems to be giving more attention to the Kong series with both bongo enemies and Kremlings in Smash Run with a Kremling boss as well and possible K Rool stage boss three DK reps seems likely.
And Cranky would be too awesome an addition so it's got to be the most disappointing possible thing.
>>252273940 >>252274131 That's what I'm trying to say. It would be a relevant, recognizable alt that isn't the same as his default outfit, and would simply be Marth in different clothes wearing a mask. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'd be mad as hell if they put Marth's good Awakening costume in the game and ruined it by putting Lucina's mask on him for no fucking reason. Fuck that, if Lucina isn't playable a half-measure like that just makes things worse.
>>252274430 But why not give Marth an alt costume that represents him? Having something like Blood Falcon colors be a palate swap is just an Easter Egg. That's like if instead of giving Little Mac a wire-frame/pink hoodie costume, he has Doc Louis's entire outfit instead.
>>252273940 As a reference to Lucina, who is a reference to Marth.
Sure, he never had it, but Smash is riddled with references. Falcon never wore Blood Falcon's outfit, but he has it-- it's just as a simple reference. Also, Awakening is extremely popular as far as FE standards go. They'll likely be repping the hell out of it, so seeing Marth have a Masked Marth variant wouldn't be unlikely.
also, it's fuckin' suave as hell. dat mysteriousness
>>252274706 The costume does represent him, it's his outfit in the game. The mask is just a small nod to another character, sort of like how all of Snake's alts are MGS3 camo despite the fact that Big Boss is another character.
>>252274706 It still DOES represent him, even more so than Falcon or Peach's BF and Daisy colors.
Remember, Lucina's entire character is based off of being a faux-Marth. The character is known AS "Masked Marth". Mask aside, according to that storyline, those clothes were worn by him. It all originates from him, so doing that as a costume would make sense.
>>252275104 But Marth never wears Lucina's mask. Ever. That's like giving Lucas the Masked Man's mask. Claus wears it, and he's sorta like Lucas. But in the end, he isn't Lucas. It isn't something Sakurai would do.
>>252276680 Not him, but I think it's because Lucina tries to pass herself off as Marth. So it would confuse people not at the point where she reveals herself. Just something Sakurai wouldn't do, although he's spoiler shit before. Also, it's effort.
>>252276880 >As long as Chrom's in, I've got no issues with the roster. That's how I feel about Lucas. The newcomers announced so far are interesting enough for me. As long as my main is back I don't care about the other unannounced players.
So, alts that you imagine will be/want in? >Dr. Mario >Mr. L >Sports Peach >Dark Bowser >Cosmic Queen >Strikers DK/DK Jr. >Dixie Kong/ Strikers >Boshi/TTYD Yoshi >Overall Wario/Biker Wario, depending what's default >Ordon Link >SS Zelda >Impa-themed Sheik >WW/OoT Ganon >Outset/Conductor Link >Power Suit >Justin Bailey/Fusion Samus >Blood Falcon Skipping Pokemon, Ice Climbers, G&W, and ROB >Dark Pit >Classic Palutena >Shadow Kirby/Hypernova Kirby >Shadow Dedede/Samurai Dedede >Dark Meta Knight/Samurai Meta Knight >64 Fox >64 Falco >64 Wolf >President/Charlie-themed Olimar >Masked Marth >Ranger Ike >Ninten/Pajama Ness >Masked Man/Claus >Quint/Rock >Sonic Boom/Classic Sonic >Ms. Pac Man At least that's what I'm thinking, assuming everyone gets an alt
I hope the gematsu leak isn't true. Chrom is a boring faggot who is practically identical to the existing FE reps. Chorus Men and Shulk are okay if only for the fact that they are repping series with no characters yet, but there are other characters who should get in before them. Advance Wars for example.
This will be the final character roster. Dixie Kong, Lucas, Mewtwo and Isaac will be the 4 DLC characters.
Mii Fighters will be selected in a different way as they will be tied in with the customization feature, which will be synced with the custom name you use for your character. There's no way to implement them into the roster without it looking bad for online character selection, and they can't make concept art for each person's mii (and they will NOT use the default miis for this, proof is with them not selling default mii amiibos to the market).
I determined the order based on the Wii U and 3DS demo rosters as well as taking notes from Brawl's roster. Ridley may not be the final newcomer (they could bump one of the single rep guys to the top row next to Zamus), but the only ones that make sense going up there are Captain Falcon or Little Mac, neither of which I see moving up there. Plus 3 Metroid reps looks better visually, above 3 Kirby reps. So that's my dumb reasoning for it.
>>252281805 I'm going to make a Justin Bailey mii if they don't have it as an alternate costume for Zero Suit. I will be so disappointed if it ends up not being an alternate costume/color scheme/whatever.
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