>Reina Holding Kumiko arm
since GodAni keep shipping this two let's have a thread about this studio and how important is for /u/s
The second season hasn't been made yet. The first season already de-emphasized the novel's het relationship (Kumiko was supposed to hold hands with Shuuichi, not Reina, among other things), so it's possible KyoAni will continue down that road.
It may be wishful thinking, but please don't fill this thread with 300+ posts of "bait bait het het bait" regardless.
Did KyoAni ever ignore source material ending for more sales? Because that's the only thing which would give me hope. I seriously adore those two but it's hard to root for them when you know how it's supposed to end.
Did you start a thread for an animation studio that laughed at us with a yuribait show like Hibike! Euphonium? That made a lesbian character (Midori) suffer in a hetshit like Tamako Market? Really?
There are other KyoAni shows you can talk about besides Hibicake, y'know.
>KyoAni hates yuri and yuri fans because it teases yuri pairings that won't go anywhere
By that logic, KyoAni must hate yaoi and fujos as well, but I don't think anyone would honestly think or argue that.
I just want to say that 4chan KyoAni threads are a streaming pile of shit.
/a/ is full of unnecessary sycophancy.
/u/ is full of shitstorms over KyoAni hating yuri.
I don't know what's going on. No other studio gets this much amount of negative attention..
The weirdest thing is how they're raging over something that hasn't happened. I mean, if season one ended with Kumiko getting together with Shoe, I'd totally get this reaction, but the ending was ambiguous and slightly leaning towards Kumiko/Reina. Yes, Shoe wins in the novels, but no one's talking about them in these threads. The anime can end like that of course, but there's simply no point in working yourself to a rage over it yet.
>That made a lesbian character (Midori) suffer
Her first love didn't work out. That's not exactly being raped to death with a blowtorch.
>So for the record, what is your view as director of Kumiko and Reina's relationship?
>Ishihara: I think people who meet the "friend who you were meant to meet" while still in secondary education are very fortunate. But what do I mean by "friend"? Well, it's not just mailing each other with Line (laughs). It's more like a team that pushes each other to new heights. From my experience, it's a partner for whom you think "If I study together with this person, I'll be able to grow a little myself". I'm sure that to Kumiko, Reina was that kind of existance. We portrayed that drama between them in episode 13, and I think that it's distilled even further in the movie version.
That artwork is cute and I'm sure they'll add in more subtext / bait (there's a bit about "what will happen with their relationship in the sequel" in one of the textboxes), but leave your expectations at the door.
The actual weird thing here is the amount of Hibikek threads started on both /a/ and /u/ that stubbornly insist that Kumikek and Reina are 101% canon and any detractors must be certified trolls.
No other subtext shows has this weird cult like group amongst their fanbase.
Managing expectations is a good idea, but it's not like that proves anything one way or the other. If you are building up to some dramatic development in your show, you don't want to announce in it interviews first. See Bryan Fuller talking about how super hetero Hannibal and Will's relationship was.
You clearly were luckily enough to not have been in the threads during airing
The amount of "We won!" posts were staggering. Not to mention that it became painfully obviously that some of those anons legitimately did not know what the word "canon" meant in the context of shipping, they thought it was about the showing following a different route than the source material
The hating started again due to porported het content in the OVA's iirc.
Rumors of yuri's demise may or may not have been exaggerated.
>That's not exactly being raped to death with a blowtorch.
What the… I was talking about the feel when you have your heart broken and still you’re helping your crush-friend to be happily together with the person he/she loves. That makes you suffer a lot. For god’s sake, where did the rape thing come from? Don't take to the extreme an innocent comment.
You can mention other KyoAni shows as Nichijou, K-ON! or Lucky Star, but as soon as there’s a boy (MC) as a romantic interest, there’s no room for yuri.
And that’s okay. I enjoy KyoAni shows a lot overral, but I think it’s unnecessary to start a /u/ thread for them.
You really need to stop being such a sensitive darling if you're going to post on 4chan.
The point being made is that a character winning in a romantic triangle is not a demonstration of the writers hating either her or her sexuality, especially given that she was just as gay at the end as she was to begin with.
>but as soon as there’s a boy (MC) as a romantic interest, there’s no room for yuri.
Why don't you go to the Frozen thread and tell them about that? Or, rather, why don't you just fuck off? You're way too delicate for 4chan, imouto-chan.
Honestly? I still have pretty high hopes for KumiRei in the movie/second season. Although, a lot of people I've talked to have speculated that Euphonium is the yuri equivalent of Free!, i.e. very blatant gay subtext but nothing explicit like kissing, dating, etc.
Which I understand. KyoAni, like a ton of other studios, probably want to keep the gay "Ambiguous" so that homophobics can't get on their backs for saying their show is gay.
I remember when I was looking for reasons to believe that it existed romantic attraction between them. ¿Kumiko is grabbing the wrist of Reina? ¡ Gayyyyy ! etc.
What painful memories ! </ 3
Aside from Tamako Market and its romantic triangle, I’m just pointing out the truth. If there’s a male MC, the heroine of the show falls in love with him. KyoAni have never made a show where the lesbian character wins if there’s a guy as the romantic interest. And that’s okay, because KyoAni doesn’t need yuri to make pretty good shows or make us like their works.
I hope you're right. The movie is a recap, so I don't expect anything new from it, but the second season is a sequel. Even if the novels are het, maybe KyoAni will skip the Shuuichi x Kumiko part and keep showing Kumiko and Reina's relationship.
Don't forget the ending's red string of fate. That and the "confessions of love" made me love KumiRei.
It’s for morons like you that I feel like not replying and stop wasting my time, but I won’t do that.
So does everyone.
It's kind of frustrating. As a vaguely inspirational music show it's solidly above-average, but the romance aspect of it would be the strongest yuri romance plot in anime since pretty much forever, if only it was clear it actually WAS a yuri romance plot. It'll probably end up something that most people look back fondly on for a few months, but it could be a show that's remembered as a crowning masterpiece (in a relatively niche genre) for years or decades.
Can we please stop discussing whether it will be het or not?
We got Gravity Falls and Final Fantasy thread right now that free of shitposting. Even Avatar had its threads on /u/ before the KorraAsami end.
So why can't we have the same for Hibike?
Didn't you KyoAnusfags learn with Tamako Market already? And I say even then you got lucky because you got an actual lesbian character and Okada was making the whole thing. But Euphonium? Euphonium MCs are straight, they want the childhood friend and teacher dick, and it's not even an original anime, meaning KyoAnus will yuribait you harder than Tamako with it, and they already did at the end of the first season, for fucks sake.
You're all fucking retarded.
Same. Also I agree with the onee-sama that said this is a lesbian equivalent of Free because the yuri subtones weren't just in Kumiko and Reina. Are you all forgetting these two? And the subtle gayness of Asuka? It's there.
>Reina and Kumiko bring something new.
I suppose I have to admit that I don't really recall anyone spending a magical afternoon with a girl and then days later also passionately declare her love for an older male teacher
I wouldn't go as far as calling it "new" but they did went a bit beyond the usual subtext that they do.
But the thing is that the author has this really weird idea about "friendships". I sincerely doubt that KyoAni, or anyone in the staff for that matter, was "baiting" for yuri fans (which would have been stupid as hell, because the fanbase is really small) In my opinion, is more a case of the intention behind the show getting lost to the audience.
>In my opinion, is more a case of the intention behind the show getting lost to the audience.
Oh, come the fuck on. This is the same reasoning that gets brought up every single time a show like this comes along, and nobody in a position to be creating anime is that hopelessly naive about how their products are perceived. Whether it's just bait or not is one thing, but they didn't fill it with love songs and red strings only to be shocked and blindsided when people took it as romance.
>phantom world had no harem tropes
>Mai falls on him, tits first, then she berates him
>Kirby falls on him, ass first, then she throws him
>mysterious loner girl who will get converted to MC's side later
Yea okay. I don't dislike the show, but harem is harem.
Never said we were to be blamed. They wanted to portray a "friendship deeper than any romance" that was their intention. They stated as much in that infamous interview.
The problem was that they used an approach that made them look more like two high school girls falling in love with each other than in a "deep friendship" (whatever that means). Was this intentional of them? No, I don't think so. You won't gain (as in more money) anything for "bating" yuri fans.
>You won't gain (as in more money) anything for "bating" yuri fans.
Have you taken a look at pixiv recently? It was massively popular and a huge talking point for Japanese and Western fans alike, which raised the profile of the show enormously.
>Was this intentional of them? No, I don't think so.
Again: nobody in the industry is that hopelessly naive. You don't animate kiss fakeout scenes or randomly choose a song called "The Place We Found Love" for date music and not expect the reaction you inevitably get. The level of innocence you're projecting onto the creators is frankly ludicrous.
>But the thing is that the author has this really weird idea about "friendships"
I know has there were some ridiculous ideas that the author was secretly homosexual, but I think the solution is much simpler than she has a weird idea of friendship. She says that she bases Hibike on her own Highschool Band experiences (with Kumiko being the obvious focus point), is it then not possible that the other characters/events are mixes of real-world ones? For example, the author might have had one friend whom she had a close friendship with (close enough that they went festivals together) and another friend who took music seriously and confessed to her that she liked their music teacher. Those two individuals were then rolled into one character (Reina) for the sake of narrative, which is why Reina can poke Kumiko's cheek in one scene and blush over Taki-sensei in another.
Mind you, I'm talking about the original scenes in book itself, which had significantly less pandering than the anime.
So? Being popular at doujin/fanart circles doesn't translate to sales. If they did, Hibike would be a stellar seller instead of the "ok" one it is. Stop believing that creators are out there trying to bait yurifans. Scenes between to girls touching each other are, shockingly, popular among male otaku which are the target audience of KyoAni shows.
Wasn't there a scene on the book a scene between Kumiko and Reina that was really sexually charged and she defuse it adding a narration from Kumiko stating how it wasn't in a "perverted way"?
Who knows. I have read enough shit LNs to know it can go either way.
The bait is real though.
>that was really sexually charged
I think the exact scene was Kumiko was rubbing Reina's back and she could feel Reina's bra underneath her shirt with the next sentence saying it was hot but not in erotic way. That's seems borderline rather than full on gay.
>Being popular at doujin/fanart circles doesn't translate to sales.
Are you seriously telling me that something receiving large amounts of publicity doesn't make it more likely that people will buy it?
Okay. You win, I can't compete with this level of wilful denial of reality.
>Stop believing that creators are out there trying to bait yurifans.
Stop believing that creators are impossibly, ludicrously clueless about how anime watchers perceive and talk about anime.
Dekomori and Shinki have an incredibly "anime" kind of relationship, which isn't helped by the fact it's been done over and over before. Reina and Kumiko's dynamic is both fresher and more true to how people act with each other.
>Reina and Kumiko's dynamic is both fresher and more true to how people act with each other.
Friends do not act this way. And yes, friends. It will end like the novels end. No reason for KyoAni to change it.
Please. Their bait is their thing like Shaft has their head tilts.
It's good to see these threads are already back to their old level of quality as though they had never stopped at all.
>Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, and Gravity Falls thread on the catalog
>No one cares
>"Run for your life. It's a giant shitcyclone almighty!"
>Are you seriously telling me that something receiving large amounts of publicity doesn't make it more likely that people will buy it?
Go and look for the sales. Hikike sold around 9K. It's an "okay seller", and remember we are talking about KyoAni here, a studio with a really large fanbase that eats up shit as Chu2 without remorse.
>Stop believing that creators are impossibly, ludicrously clueless about how anime watchers perceive and talk about anime.
Look, a producer wants to make money, right? Why would a producer expend money on baiting a fanbase that makes shows aimed at them bomb every single time? It would make more sense, I don't know, to make fanservice aimed to their fanbase: male otaku. Their intention, as they have stated, was to portray a "deep friendship" and added fanservice for their core fanbase. That's it.
Did you watch the episode? Reina is blushing at Mai all the time. Is jealous about the guy. Don't want Mai to think she is close to him.
You must be blind to not see baiting here.
>Go and look for the sales. Hikike sold around 9K.
I'm not sure what you think your point is. Would it have sold more if fewer people were talking about it?
>Why would a producer expend money on baiting a fanbase that makes shows aimed at them bomb every single time?
Begging the question. Hibike didn't bomb, and this whole discussion is about what it was aimed at.
>Their intention, as they have stated, was to portray a "deep friendship"
And they had no idea that people would take the red string of fate and blushing at each other as any kind of romantic indication. In their minds there was no interpretation other than friendship, and that idea caught the group of industry veterans working for a company founded thirty years totally unawares.
Can't speak for GF but the other series didn't have the overt focus on female relationships that Hibikek did and then throws all that out the window by having one of the girls confess her love for an older man while the other ends up with her childhood boyfriend in the source material.
It's about expectation and payoff. Same reasons Mikagura sucked, it had a premise that raised people's expectation but the payoff was mediocre.
Just came to /u/ to make a Phantom World thread but I guess this is it.
Episode 3 definitely confirms yuri. It'll be Mai x Reina and MC x Koito, believe it
>didn't even try to argue
Did you even watch the episode? It was entirely about Reina lusting for Mai
This just like those idiots that go around yelling "they queer-baited us and didn't deliver!" I want all this people crying about baiting show me one show which sales had soared after including girl x girl fanservice or, even better, a yuri show that didn't bombed.
The scene with Yuuko cheering up Mai after she saw Gundere with Sasahara.
Any scene with Nano and the School Doctor.
And even if you think it isn't /u/ relevant, I don't care.
I'm not going to be dictated to on what is and is not relevant to this board.
Not true. Baiting has an intent aspect to it. People don't like to be knowingly duped.
Other non-canon shows that contain intentional or non-intentional heavy subtext are not the same as bait shows like Hibike, although it is quite a thin line.
By just watching the show and not be blind? Two close friends being close is one thing, when you throw in the date Reina and Kumikek had, the red string bs, and all the weird homoerotic close ups, then still have Reina explicitly tell us how much she wants the teacher's dick, then yea, maybe it's a fair conclusion to say it was baiting?
I think we need to differentiate between baiting and pandering here.
Pandering is when you have a random yuri scene in an obviously het show that's been marketed as such, like having a haremette slip and fall and kiss another girl, or a girl peforming CPR on another girl, or even having a pervy lesbian side character whose only role in the story is to hit on one or more of the girls.
Baiting is when you have a show that makes it seem like two girls might get together, but instead of the ambiguously gay ending that most subtext shows would provide it ends with het. I can't think of any anime examples right now, but something like the Happy End manga would probably count.
I wouldn't call Hibike! yuri bait yet, since the anime story isn't over. They could always play the het off as just a student-teacher crush and still give it an ambiguously gay ending. We'll see.
>Baiting is when you have a show that makes it seem like two girls might get together, but instead of the ambiguously gay ending that most subtext shows would provide it ends with het. I can't think of any anime
Didn't Aria had an anime ?
Honestly, when I first saw who /u/ actually shipped in Aria, I was very surprised. I like yuri, I mean heck, I'm here on /u/. I sometimes ship yuri couples. I've seen my fair share of subtext. But I haven't seen ANYTHING in Aria, at least not between for example Akari and her Senpai. The series was kinda straight all the time anyway. It didn't focus on it, I mean it's aimed at men with a female cast, so that's kinda normal. But its subtext between the girls was really extremely minimal, and actually overshadowed by the straight stuff.
I'd say perhaps that's because of its genre, Iyashikei, as Tamayura also has barely, if any, subtext. But then there's Non Non Biyori. And that has one "couple" going for it. Pretty heavily even. But whatsoever. The gist of it is: I wouldn't consider Aria yuri-bait. Or yuri at all.
I think Akari and Alicia had a really nice and /u/ friendly moment in that tower episode (one of the OVAs if I remember correctly), but otherwise as huge of an /u/ fan as I am, I didn't see them romantically either. Maybe Alice and Athena if I'm really pushing it.
Aria fans always get really mad about het shipping even though it's clearly right there in the series. Understandable since Alice gets some ugly loser and the blue girl gets a manlet, but Akari's male tsundere is pretty cute
Get this sick fuck out of here, calling a man cute.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU
Yamada confirms neither Hibike nor Tamako were yuri, nor she intended to write one. She even explicitely tells that red thread in Hibike Ed means nothing.
That should bury the Hibikek nonsense once and for all. Good riddance.
She explains it in interview. Reina is just possessive and random and impulsive in her actions, so she tries to immidiately control and posses Kumiko as her own thing.
Kumiko on other hand is very easily influenced and suggestible, so goes with the moment.
As excuse, Reina`s confession she loves Taki Sensei is pretty out of nowhere too, though has background in past events and knowing him from before.
Midori has platinic adoration of Tamako as her ideal. She is merely depressed, Tamako gets tained and stolen by outsider. The show is about adolescense, and while for Tamako it means to get out of childish phase of ignorance and open to her and others feelings - for Midori it means to stop being attached and get over it.
>Midori wasn't really in love with Tamako
>it was just "adolescence"
Yamada is now Satan.
Yuriphonium being discredited was expected, but I'm just amazed they managed to drag Tamako Market up from the grave just to take a piss on it too. I can't help but laugh at it. The "Kyoani hates yuri" people were right all along.
As I said in an earlier thread:
Friends DO act this way. It is not necessarily yuri.
That does not mean it'd not have worked as yuri. It would. But it can just be friendship. I have friendships with other women like that, and so do most of my friends - including the ones with boyfriends and a "gay is ick" opinion.
If you were actually here for the threads when it was airing, you'd know yuri fans went very deeply into the emotions, motives, and psychology that was on display. They just interpreted it in a natural way, while Yamada is delusional about what's going on. Ishihara even calls her out for it in the interview.
But we have a new Kyoani yuri anime to discuss now.
Hibike was one thing, but when people went on about KyoAni "baiting" in Tamako Market, I was always one of the first to say that a lesbian not winning her crush isn't the same thing as her turning out not to have ever been a lesbian in the first place, and that Midori was a great and subtle if slightly tragic character. I'm actually kind of impressed that they managed to go back and stomp all over even that technicality.
How many times has Kyoani shit on yuri at this point. "Oh it's just a phase, they never had feelings for each other."
Even when they're clearly being more than friends or one girl, in the case of Tamako Market, is obviously crushing. Look at this pic for instance.
Never falling for Kyoani's bullshit again.
They hadn't really done anything prior to this. Midori lost in Tamako Market, but until now there was nothing suggesting she was bait, just that she lost. Now apparently not only did they have no idea what people were going to think about Kumiko and Reina, but Midori was straight all along and just totally platonically heartbroken because, uh, adolescence or something. Is that a magic word that just justifies anything vaguely melodramatic in Japan?
>It's seishun, I ain't gotta explain shit
Yes it is. Especially because it goes nowhere is it baiting. It just gives u some hope spots to keep watching without any possible resolution or are you telling me their is no shipping about mentioned parings?
Satan did know what people were going to think according to that interview
>Oguro: Did you possibly think that it could be seen as yuri and playing to the viewers with no relationship to the main story?
>Yamada: I thought it might, but I felt “Well, that’s okay. They’ll understand later.” (laughs)
Still doesn't make sense, but "It's seishun, I ain't gotta explain shit" is a good way to put it
One that never goes anywhere and is just for comic relief rather than anything remotely or hinted at being serious.
Kyoani has made it rather clear now that it spits on yuri and Yamada has made it clear that it shits on its yuri fans.
No, it isn't. If you're watching a comedy slice-of-life series expecting romantic development beyond one-off moments that don't come to anything, you're an idiot. If you're watching a show expecting the side characters to get greater romantic focus than the leads, you're an idiot.
Nobody was saying they were swearing off KyoAni after Chuu2 or Lucky Star. Hell, fucking XENA didn't end up with the actual leads ever explicitly together - was that "bait"?
>for Midori it means to stop being attached and get over it
At least in Utena after anime aired the director said the girls were full gay for each other later despite what was shown in anime version, here after anime aired the director is saying that the yuri girls were straight all along...
So basically Yamada doesn't consider yuri romance to be equal to heterosexual one which must be serious deal all the time, while yuri is just a young girls phase to grow up from.
>If you're watching a comedy slice-of-life series
Chunni is a romance, but it doesn't even matter. Having couples in the end does not require to be much romantic development. It already is enough to tease the audience, so they start with their shipping.
>Nobody was saying they were swearing off KyoAni after Chuu2 or Lucky Star.
No, you are right. But people already should have gotten the hint how KyoAni swings with possible /u/ couples.
Yuri doesn't sell though. That's why the whole concept of "yuribait" makes no sense.
What I got from the interview is that Satan likes yuri scenes, but only as part of an adolescent phase which she doesn't actually consider to be yuri, thus "it's just seishun lol"
Ishihara on the other hand does consider Eupho and Tamako Market to be yuri, but too serious, which he doesn't like. He's only into silly gag yuri.
>Yuri totally doesn't sell. That's why magazines run full yuri manga and why anime companies still run yuri series. Because it doesn't sell
Fact is, yuri DOES sell enough to be profitable. Several yuri anime were profitable enough for their studios for others to be made.
There is room between "hyper success" and "flop", anon, and yuri sits in that middle. Which is why baiting the audience actually isn't too bad an idea. It wants more, and can drive sales up. Not enough to be a full hypersuccess in itself, but enough to help. Which is all that's needed.
Well, that's because yuri is easy to deny
You can write whatever you want for a certain audience, then write some yuri subtext to attract yuri fans, normalfags won't think anything of it and if yuri fans start asking questions they can just say
I mean, if i were a scumbag directing an anime and wanted to bait yuri fans for a few extra bucks, that's what i would do
You don't understand basic business.
Take the following example.
There's 7 moetards, 2 yuri fans, 4 action nerds and 2 yaoi fujoshi.
Studio wants 8 watchers to be really successful. Logical conclusion:
Mainly aim at the 7 moetards, and then bait the yuri fans, and you're at 9.
Marketing 101. You usually want to draw in side audiences to boost the overall audience, even if the side audiences are not enough to make up the whole estimated gain by themselves.
>Chunni is a romance
You honestly couldn't tell I was addressing each series in turn?
>Having couples in the end does not require to be much romantic development.
Of course it does. Unless you're doing it solely for the sake of tacking it on just to appease a certain section of your audience, then you need to devote serious time to actual feelings and drama, which either undermines the structure of the comedy or takes focus away from the already-romantically-challenged leads.
Not that much, I don't think. It seems pretty clear that they see yuri as second-class material to straight couples, only appropriate for comedy or confused adolescents who'll forget about it when they get to the real world.
And Yamada made it evident that it's not yuri, then gave mixed signals saying "We didn't expect this reaction" and "We might have expected it but they (yuri fans) will see the truth".
So in S2 they will no doubt tone it down massively. Either way they've made it evident they don't have feelings for each other.
Okay sorry, the wording is maybe overdramatic but the core message is the same.
They don't take yuri seriously and when they come close they just backpedal and say "It's just a phase", and thus not something to take seriously.
Did you watch Tamako?
It had a whole episode that basically set up the message 'it's okay to be gay' about Midori. Sure there was never a real chance she'd actually get with Tamako so it wasn't /u/ in that way, but claiming she just had platonic feelings is mind-blowing. What on earth was the ending of that episode supposed to be about then?
I can only imagine that the Tamako Market part of the interview is badly translated or we misinterpreted it. There is no way they did not mean Midori to be gay in that one episode.
Not that it matters much, there will never be a follow up on it anyway.
I was only talking about Hibike. Not Tamako Market. I find the Tamako Market situation to be complete nonsense, and indeed know no straight people that'd act that way.
Mix-up on my part.
Fujos don't care, if a series has two hot guys in it, they'll ship it, it doesn't matter how straight the guys are
I mean, look at ZoSan, how the fuck can anyone see Sanji as gay? Or even bi? The guy is just crazy about women and yet he is usually portrayed as the bottom in one of the most popular (if not the most popular) One Piece ship
Oh, I take it you didn't see an angry discussion among us. We just don't call it bait. Faking yaoi gets us as angry.
Sanji's shipped because everyone knows he'd not be gay, anyway, but it's fun to pretend. But give us a hand, then pull it away, and we'll chew it off.
We really have no idea what she meant exactly. Maybe there will be an interview about it in the future but till then I will belief Midori is gay.
Hibike on the other hand...yes there is no saving it.
I think super-popular / mainstream series get a free pass. When you get to that point, shipping outside of a handful of "main" couples becomes much more about pairs you like the look of than ones you actually want / expect to happen. Just look at all the Harry Potter pairings.
Guess you missed her title as the series director then.
Yamada have a very problematic view, but then calling it adolescence is technically not wrong because the characters are teenager, and it's about their life as teen. As long as I don't get a clear 'it's just a phase' from her, I'm just gonna pretend that by adolescence she meant that teenagers have a mix of complicated emotions that will sort themselves slowly as they grow into adulthood.
Well that's the only defense I can come up for her in this case. Shame because she is one of my favorite director, oh well, at least there's Manabu Ono.
She needs few hundred hours of lectures from Ikuhara and all of those yuri mangaka out there like Morishima or Shuninta about yuri and life.
Well, yeah, but most of my fandoms have at least one yaoi pair that's usually one of the most popular, i just picked ZoSan because it's a pairing that if you genderflip it (and of course, change Sanji's "crazy about women" to "crazy about men"), most yuri fans wouldn't take seriously and would consider it dumb
Well, with some of the pairings you guys ship, i had the impression that you were just like:
>Ah, fuck it! Death of the Author, i still ship it
Whenever a guy goes het
>Fujos don't care, if a series has two hot guys in it, they'll ship it, it doesn't matter how straight the guys are
That's because they have a ton of stuff to fall back on
Yuri fans has paltry stuff compared to fujos and BL.
>Death of the Author
This makes me wonder why we even care about this so much in the first place? Of course I'm going to continue seeing Midori, Kumiko, and Reina as lesbians no matter what happens, just like any other series. Canon or writer/director's intentions never matter
Not him, but I think people should be allowed to "see" characters as whatever they like. The problem is whether or not they want to argue that said characters actually ARE the way they see them.
If yurifags want to see and depict characters as lesbians, right on.
If hetfags want to see and depict characters as cock-hungry sluts, well, right on to them as well.
They just probably are not either.
Avatar threads existed long before the Korra Asami
Frozen threads existed but evolved into Disney Threads
Gravity Falls, Idols, Final Fantasy Threads, are currently active
Take that as you will.
Que son exagerados en este lugar
Lo único que me gusta de KyoAni son ellas dos, ellas me alegraron bastante con su yuri
>>Fujos don't care, if a series has two hot guys in it, they'll ship it, it doesn't matter how straight the guys are
>That's because they have a ton of stuff to fall back on
>Yuri fans has paltry stuff compared to fujos and BL.
Yeah, Yamada has said this about Midori before in some interview and I think that by "yuri" she means material made with pandering to specific viewer in mind, fetishization, which probably wasn't her intention, or she is in denial.
I'm done looking for double meanings and hints in these things. If she says a character wasn't supposed to be gay, then fuck her, she's saying the character wasn't supposed to be gay.
>Friends DO act this way.
It's not that. It's the fact they made it very open that these two characters have feelings for each other. The fact it retconned het moments in the manga to push yuri.
Then they come out and claim "it's just seishun lol" as well as claim the same for Midori in Tamako, which was honestly more absurd. It's like they're going out of their way to deny yuri altogether.
Don't usually like to quote /a/, but this post I think kind of nailed it.
copypastaing here so no one has to actually go to the board.
>Honestly it sounds like a suspiciously strong denial, like a politician trying to deny allegations or an idol having to keep up a personality. Like, there is absolutely no way she is ignorant enough to have accidentally made one of the most unambiguously gay characters in years and handle it with the discretion and delicacy she did. It's like she doesn't want to be associated with making yuri as some sort of public face, Japs are weird like that, they won't tell you their true feelings. My Japanese professor in university was gay but would never openly admit it or say anything to indicate it even if the people he was talking to knew, like he would always say stuff like "The person I live with" instead of "my partner/husband" and get nervous and talk around the issue whenever someone asked a question that might give something away. Yamada's attitude toward this reminds me a lot of that.
I can't really buy that. Yuri works run the whole gamut from serious sensitive adult works to cutesy schoolgirl moe comedies, and nobody goes around claiming that one end or the other doesn't count.
And we are having a CCS thread right now despite the fact that it has long ended in het.
I was just saying that people don't really care about the source material so long as they are having fun
When you see a /u/ thread get 120 posts overnight, you know something's not right.
Probably because we tend to see the potential behind stories.
I mean the writer/director craft a story with emotions between interesting characters but refuse to give closure. It's just wasted potential and in Hibike case you can't even blame the lack of writing technical skills. There is no way they felt nothing by checking the festival episode. Plus the balls to go to the gist of the thing might have sell better.
We will never let Kyoani do this to us again, for real this time.
I'm NEVER falling for Kyoani ever again!!!
You won't trick me again! I swear! For real! I'm totally not falling for it again!
Don't be that way, Anon. This time it'll really be yuri. We swear. Cross our hearts.
All those little scenes of adolescence in last episode.
Okay I'm willing to give it a try but it will be your fault if it doesn't end well.
>Where did you get that? All she talk about is Mai.
The end of the episode.
Not to mention they're together in the OP, they were together in the peeper pictures, on the train, she got flustered when Mai asked why they're always together, and felt compelled to stick his finger in her mouth complete with a saliva trail.
She is watching mc drawing Main in OP. She didn't want her to think there is anything going on between her and mc too. She is happy wearing clothes like Mai and being touched by her while dislike mc touch. Also all the jealous scenes.
Can't deny the finger thing though. I know in the end there will be no yuri, just pointing the "subtext" Kyoani put there.
Wait, are people are actually arguing that we can't have Hibikek threads because the director said it wasn't a yuri? Do these newfags not remember the constant K!on threads?
There hasn't been an actual, non-moeshit yuri anime made in the last 10 years. If /u/ didn't ship based on subtext, we wouldn't even have a fucking board.
>And finally for Reina, this'll probably be dealt with in Reina episode which is next, but Reina's obsession with Mai has to deal with her older sister who ran away from home six years ago. Reina and her were very close and she uses Mai as her substitute, not to say that the relationship isn't genuine but it's why she calls her Onee-sama
>it's over and it never even started
the outfits keep me going
This is what happens when you scrape the bottom of the barrel for any leftover the anime industry throws at you. We're still doing okay in the manga/doujin department, but anime is practically a lost cause with at most one canon pair per year, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
The only chance of being a difference maker is learning jap and translate the large quantity of manga/doujin/LN/VN that are still out there. Beyond that, everything just completely out of the reach of the average yuri fan.
>thinks tumblr is antihet
This is hilarious in particular if you spend time on The 100 tags, the bullshit fangirls come up with will probably teach /pol/ a couple of new ways to hate on gays.
Good news /u/
It's just generic harem like the other
Watch the episode
the phantom make her think that the boy was her brother, so he hug her to stop the effect knowing she doesn't like be touch by him, here she react as usual
Nobody win, that's not true
not romantic end in the first vol, the second had a timeskip with other character and third vol happend some matrix stop
is somebody win in the novel they never will make a timeskip to add another character and make matrix
Maybe Mugino has a point for once, anon. Volume three has Akkarin on the cover.
He never has.
There is not yuri in Phantom World. Reina said that she has an older sister that ran away from home, and that Mai resembles her. That's the reason she is so attached to Mai. Reina's last scene with the group is her looking softly at Haruhiko.
If you want to believe Mugino, go ahead. But it seems pretty clear what path the story will take.
Well he was right that Luck & Logic will have some yuri kissing, but at the same time he was wrong saying it won't have the typical harem male MC moments in it where the girkls will be attracted to him for no reason.
Yurikuma was definitely about yuri.
What exactly did you think it was about?