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I am disappoint, /u/
She was busy maintaining the forces of evil in her universe
and furiously masturbating to Madoka
You would be to if you had a girlfriend as cute as Madoka
Not like we always need one, wait for new discussion on Feb. 14th
You don't need to propagate a thread subject eternally. That's what killed /vg/, turned it into a bunch of clubhouses wrapping themselves in so-called discussion.
Sometimes it's better to let things settle, like a crop cycle.
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They're both huge perverts and would probably end up as that couple in your group of friends that never always ends up in some level of intimacy and ditching or checking out early on group activities if it Madoka wasn't Madoka.
Thus that position falls to Sayaka and Kyoko.
I want hormonal, needy, screwing-at-every-chance-they-can-get KyouSaya.
it's realistic! if you've ever sorta not got along with a girl for a while, and then suddenly it turns around and you start dating, there's just so much more sexual tension to burn through!
At least it's not whipped cream or anything. It's just a bit of chocolate and can get cleaned pretty easily before anything nasty sets in. This, however, might be a touch more dangerous.
There was this yuri VN set in this candy shop or something and the couple made a candy double dildo and as I was reading it I just kept thinking "nooo" and couldn't enjoy the lewd.
I've read those ones to the point of saturation.
It's a troubling time to be a Madoka Magica fan. The buzz has faded, and so too have the doujins.
Not a doujin but I at least have an image for you.
If Rebellion taught me anything, it was that Madoka drops the good girl act when it's only her and Homu.
We don't need a new thread at the moment. There is nothing to discuss until the end of MADOGATARI in February, which is also when the next issue of Wraith Arc is out. Let the general die until there's actually new material or we run the risk of slowly deteriorating into /ksg/ or some other shitty /vg/ tripfag chatroom.
I would also be for the banning of all Madoka threads from /a/ until that point as well, as they are even fucking worse.
>More news on the upcoming Madoka project.
Are we sure?
This kind of makes it sound it won't be, unless he's being intentionally vague or will have multiple announcements.
I doubt this is the potential sequel since I don't think Urobuchi would be the one to announce it. But it wouldn't be too out of sorts for him to work on two things, considering we don't know when either are coming out.
The life of a writer is hectic at the beginning of production but winds down as the real meat of the production happens.
I would be a bit peeved at the false alarm if the project Gen has been hyping up end up not being Madoka. You're right though, that in itself wouldn't quash Gen's involvement with the new Madoka project. Gen was really busy after the TV series, and worked on quite a few projects between that and Rebellion, but no one ever doubted his involvement in Rebellion back then.
Watching their twitters, the Magica Quartet go on drunken benders together all the time. It would be really unexpected if somehow Gen got cut out of the new Madoka.
But the new Madoka project doesn't need to be announced by Urobuchi, it was already announced and they also said he was involved:
>Magica Quartet—the team behind the Puella Magi Madoka Magica anime, consisting of director Akiyuki Simbo, character designer Ume Aoki, scriptwriter Gen Urobuchi (Nitroplus), and animation studio Shaft—have continued plans for a new work since the Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie Part 3: Rebellion film opened in October 2013. The concept movie was born from their meetings.
They're probably not far enough with development to tell even that much; they just completed what amounts to a glorified concept art after all, there's no telling whether they have even started the real work yet.
It certainly would be silly to deduce that they changed writer just because he is currently working on something else, we could be more than a year away from seeing this sequel.
Oh I'm not expecting anything soon. Minimum late 2017. And there was no way Urobuchi isn't a part of this. If Shinbo really wanted to, he could have gone Psycho Pass 2 and asked Urobuchi for notes to build a story off of and we would have gotten a (bad) Rebellion sequel much sooner.
For anyone wondering why people assume Gen is/was going to talk about Madoka:
He attached this pic to the Tweet where he said he'd make an annoucement. There's an event where he will be at regarding a new project on the 7th of February. The Saparro Madogatari lasts through later half of the second week of February (ending Valentines Day).
With all the Mami hype in the recent NewType article and conceot movie, it seemed to more than coincidental because he has never come off as particularly attached to Mami as a character.
There is little reason schedule wise a popuar man like him can't make two annoucements/be on two different panels in one week.
Homucifer doesnt stand a chance. Honestly I do hope a MadoHomu fight ends with Madokami declaring her dominance by tongue kissing the devil.
There likely won't be an actual fight in the first place. Not between Madoka and Homura, at any rate.
I personally agree they wont fight. If they do, it'll quickly devolve into reconciliation. Mami's apparent role as the Guan Yu of megucas makes me believe she'll be doing any real fighting on Madoka's behalf.
I said if she can prepare. She wasn't paying attention and didn't notice Mami tying her ribbon onto her leg.
If Homura initiated a battle with anyone with the intent to remove them from the fave of the universe, then Homura would always win.
When Homura wins initiative, Homura wins.
When Homura knows the fight is coming and can prepare, she wins.
Mami also didn't win even with the element of surprise.
Had Homura wanted to kill Mami, she VERY easily could have. Instead, she shot her in the leg.
The clone bullshit happened out of fuck-all nowhere should never have happened in the first place. Mami never had a reason to make something like that before and it would require an extremely long time to create a clone that complex and lifelike. I don't care how good she is, she shouldn't have been able to make that shit up on the spot and not have fucked up to the point of Homura noticing. Especially while talking. She also had to cast her voice through the clone.
That was Deus Est Machina in full swing and I will not let anyone fool themselves into thinking otherwise.
I know this isn't /r/ but does anyone have the manga page where Homu has been on madoka for hours and (I think) they're on the floor?
I lost this with a phone format and haven't found it since
Is this what your referring to? I found it in this doujin.
I understand what you mean, but, think about how much she owes mami. Would it be out of the question to go along with it if it was a request?
>if only we could ask
Thank you for trying but no
>it was more of a rape scene
What I do remember is that if it wasn't the entire page, it was at the bottom
Madoka was glazed over
sorry, my spite keeps motivating me to try and get him to chill out.
But we enjoy provoking him anon
Do you really think anybody here takes you seriously enough to actually argue with you? That's cute
>How does what someone takes it ass effect what it actually is?
it doesn't affect what it is, but it does affect how it will be treated. It will be percieved as complaining by the janitors, and they will then delete the post and ban you. again.
At the same time, anything online cannot come to anything more than a stalemate. You've seen him. He won't stop at anything to preserve the sanctity of the relationships of his favorite fictional teenage lesbians.
>No, actually, it's not about attention. It's about improving this fandom.
>The whole point of this is to get people to improve themselves.
Well, aren't we altruistic; how about you be honest with yourself and admit that you are doing this solely for your own benefit?
I'm not a fan of crack myself, but people are allowed to like things I don't, so kindly stop trying to "help me"; I find that posts like yours are what's actually disruptive to the fandom.
don't try and use reason on him.
these threads are actually just containment for anticrack- if we keep him mad here, he's not harassing the rest of the board about how he thinks morality is objective and he's the only one who actually loves the characters
Anon, I know exactly what picture you want.
>tfw it's on my broken phone
I'll support the movement for finding this pic because I want it to
Thread quality has to do with how well the discussion contained benefits its general audience, doesn't it? Indeed it can be considered objectively. As far as crack goes, it can serve as an occasional spice and piece of fresh content for a fandom with a relatively slow pace of new material. As a component of the overall web of fan-produced Madoka Magica content, it's inclusion serves the readership of these threads quite well. Objectively, high quality crack content contributes to thread quality.
Contrast this with your own posts, which involve nothing but insults, argumentation, and meta-discussion not directly related to the subject of the threads you post in. It seems a simple matter to deduce which posts objectively contribute more quality.
>Mami ribbon clone is bullshit
>Sayaka uses Octavia like a stand
>Everyone can see Madokami
>Homura splitting Madokami isn't BS
You know, I just kinda role with it and don't worry about things like this.
>Because by using your logic, the "thread" of Nazi Germany is "high quality" because they all think burning jews is fun past time.
I'm dying here.
Did i hurt your feelings, ACK?
I'm genuinely sorry
Can we stop focusing on the troll and go back to posting Homu
I know, but he always comes back and we can't really stop him, so i might as well fuck with him while he is around
This explains why it's been quiet on /a/ today.
(as in no Madoka thread)
This thread was quiet before too and hardly had any posting, then this mess happens.
Starting to notice a pattern here and it's not just the debater's fault.
What's the appeal of MamiNagi anyway? I love me some good age gap, but I can't help but think people only ship them because they think they're supposed to.
Oh I'm sorry for trying to have a discussion. I guess you're too afraid of a shitposter you can easily ignore to bother contributing to the thread.
That's what I always imagine the case was. It's really unfortunate that quite a lot of Rebellion seems to be unnecessary fan service. Even KyoSaya makes more sense then MamiNagi.
That doujin is really great and all, but I prefer MamiKyo.
And HoMado and MamiKyo get together to have orgies every once in a while.
So in your case it's mostly the age gap and older sister type x imouto relationship? That's fine and all, but what I'm really wondering about is how people view the chemistry between the two. They barely interacted in the movie for me to get a good enough sense of what their daily lives would be like together.
The reason why I ship Kyouko and Mami together is because of the past they share, the shit they went through together formed a bond that, while shaky and painful, would form into a healthy and happy relationship. But Mami and Nagisa simply don't have that history, so it's really hard for me to understand how well they fit together, other than as spares being paired up.
>Even KyoSaya makes more sense then MamiNagi.
KyouSaya has much more canon support than MamiKyou (which has zero)
You plebs can keep your pleb Mami pairings. Meanwhile I ordered this delicious selfcest book and will be scanning it when it arrives in about a week. Hope somebody's up for translating!
I can understand why people started shipping Kyouko and Sayaka, but I don't understand how they could get together, or if their relationship would even last. When did the shipping for them even start? When they started fighting, or when Kyouko sacrificed herself to kill Octavia, or when Kyouko got mad at her dying in the last timeline?
I really wish I had been watching Madoka and browsing /u/ during it's original airing so I could have understand all this better.
Now don't even try to pretend Mami and Kyouko don't have any support. Regardless of what you think, there's is absolutely no reason why The Different Story isn't canon.
Those fingernails are disgusting.
Yeah and those fingernails are too long, nigga. Like shit, does she plan to rip Mami's vagina to shreds or something?
>but I don't understand how they could get together
Rebellion explained how
I'm forced to accept that as canon, but that's clearly another example of unnecessary fan service that didn't need to be in Rebellion.
Because why did Sayaka regret leaving Kyouko behind specifically? Why not Homura, or Mami? At the point Sayaka died for the last time, she and Kyouko had just barely began to become friends. It all just doesn't feel genuine or natural.
>At the point Sayaka died for the last time, she and Kyouko had just barely began to become friends. It all just doesn't feel genuine or natural.
She became part of the law of the cycles, she had knowledge of timelines past (she also knew about witches).
Kyouko and Sayaka becoming friends in the wraith timeline, and in Homura's barrier, just goes to show that they tend to gravitate towards each other naturally
How is sayaka x kyoko completely unreasonable
but mami x kyoko (who have less interaction, less screen time together, and who have known each other the same amount time that sayaka and kyoko have known each other) completely reasonable?
I forgot about the law of cycles. That makes me sense now. I hadn't read the Wraith arc yet, so I didn't know about that.
Sayaka and Kyouko started off as enemies, or in the best of cicrumstances, begrudging partners. It wasn't until the final timeline and Rebellion where they started acting friendly toward each other as far as I remember.
But Mami and Kyouko knew each other at a much earlier time int heir magical girl career and became friends who genuinely respected and admired each other from the get go. Yes, they fought and felt negative feelings for each other, but the history they shared early on is something that I always thought would come back as they spent more time together. Eventually that would naturally form into love.
I guess I'm doing a poor job of explaining myself, but it just doesn't feel right for Sayaka and Kyouko to get together, I don't know.
You're forgetting the conversation between kyoko and sayaka in kyokos fathers church.
Kyoko confessed that the reason she was being so hard on sayaka was because she understood her and didn't want her making the same mistakes she did.
The both of them reached an understanding that they are more alike than they originally thought.
Also don't forget how hard kyoko took it when sayaka turned into a witch and the lengths she took to try and cure her.
I liked those scenes, but I never interpreted them as anything more than Kyouko seeing a way to somehow redeem herself by making sure Sayaka doesn't become as much of a fuck up as she was. At most, I could accept Kyouko maybe having a short lived crush on Sayaka.
I'd totally give up KyouSaya for more MamiNagi. Sure, the appeal of MamiNagi is more about the idea or concept than their actual onscreen character interactions, but it's proven a damned good concept thus far.
There's the comedy angle of portraying Mami as a desperate pedophile. There's the sheer /ll/ sweetness of playing the pairing straight. Or there's the kinkiness of juxtaposing that these characters really don't have much to do with each other, such as objectifying Mami as Nagisa's cheese. Any way you slice it it's pretty high tier entertainment.
Your misguided attempts to, as you've stated before, improve the fandom is pointless. People will like what they want to like. It's called free will. And if there's one thing people hate more than anything it's to be told what to like.
Sorry but I'd rather never see any of those than to make you think we owe you anything.
After having thought a little more about it, I would have to say they just feel like they fit together.
Mami likes to cook, Kyouko likes to eat.
They're both orphans due to their own actions, though not deliberately.
Mami is a lonely person who wants to be depended on, Kyouko would never admit it, but she is lonely too and wants friends.
There's so many things that they can relate to each other with, I'd also like to bring up another point;
When Mami went berserk after she found out the truth about wishes, she killed Kyouko first. Why would she do that? She wasn't the biggest threat, Homura was. I believe she killed her so she wouldn't have to suffer watching her friends get killed, Mami killed her first because she cared the most about her feelings.
Sorry if I'm not getting my point across, my reason for shipping them mostly comes from feelings I'm not really able to describe through text. Either way, they just feel natural and right.
1. Mami being in that photo was just a new years joke (kimono, shrine visit thing). There's no bait and switch involved.
2. Urobuchi's said himself that he'd possibly like to leave it to a new writer if he could. If he's not the lead writer on a sequel, it would probably have been at his behest so he could work on other things. Urobuchi doesn't actually like doing things forever so much (in his afterward to Fate/Zero he even talks about his mixed feelings to making a prequel for a work that's already complete, and about milking franchises in general), and he's said that he did Rebellion partially because he felt obligated to after being given complete free reign with the story of the TV series.
In my experience with other franchises, having someone other than the original writer for a story make a sequel usually doesn't end as well as it could. I think he ought to stick around one last time and make a definitive end to the series with no possibility of it being continued.
But then that runs into the danger of him being tired of making Madoka and just half assing it to get it over with. Though I actually have no idea how his attitude is toward such things, as I don't keep up with this sort of thing.
>She wasn't the biggest threat, Homura was.
That's why she tied Homura up first. Kyouko was the next biggest threat because she had the most experience and was the one most likely to fight back. It makes sense that she took her out before she could figure out what was going on. Mami was very methodical when she went berserk.
Well, that's one way to look at it, she was methodical, but not enough. She forgot about Madoka, which leads me to believe she was running primarily on emotions at that point, which is why she killed Kyouko first because she loved her.
>66 new posts
>oh boy oh boy-
>second-worst pairing by that one MamiKyou fan who always uses "HoMado" for MadoHomu so is pretty easy to spot, and also anticrack-kun coming out of the woodwork (not mutually exclusive grouses)
Sometimes I dunno what's worse, the radio silence or the fights.
Yes, she thought Madoka wouldn't do anything since she was still on the floor crying about Sayaka. She underestimated her. I don't disagree that she was also running on emotions, but saying that she killed Kyouko first because she loved her seems to be stretching it when she had given no indication of that before.
I guess this points to Wraith Arc becoming canon at some point?
Magicraft 2 got a cute new commercial, voiced by Yuuki Aoi and Emiri Katou.
Cool thing that they're both in-character, referencing the post-Rebellion world.
My reading of Rebellion is as part of LoC the girls come to accept their witch counterpart as a part of their self, hence that Sayaka-Homura alley way conversation. Besides, Mami actually invoked Bebe actually took her worm form for a portion of the movie, so whatever trauma was no longer relevant.
>big sisterly Mami
Gonna try and build myself up with this kind of Mami so that when she causes SHTF again it'll be all the more powerful.
We goddess of War soon.
Not necessarily. It's not unusual for tie-in manga staff to have early access to animation concept materials.
See also Mami in Kazumi Magica having the white tights from her original concept sketch, even though the anime changed them to dark.
I see it as her affection for Kyouko, which she stuffed deep down inside after they parted ways, bubbling back up and exploding into love. To me it's a "Oh shit, I love her. I hate it, but I don't want to see her suffer, so for her sake she has to die first." kind of feeling.
But I feel like I explained enough of my reasoning for shipping MamiKyou. I want someone to tell me why they might ship KyouSaya since I'm always having to explain myself and no one else has to.
I'm a shameless rival shipper and I like how Kyoko and Sayaka's relationship evolved over the original show. Mami just doesn't feel like she has the same connection or even the potential to make that connection and the only reason I'd really go for it is that it's a bit more fitting for lactation fetish works.
I see, makes sense. If The Different Story didn't exist, I might agree with you.
If I had to choose between KyouSaya and KyouMami, I'd most certainly go with the latter.
I ship neither, though.
Neat, but what are your ships then?
homu-mado is the only ship.
Loner Kyouko is just too good of a character and I hated her Rebellion version.
>inb4 but that is her when she is happy!
Plus, I like it when Uro says that as long as Sayaka goes for the straight route she will never have a happy ending, she doesn't deserve to be happy.
B-but that's a secret, onee-sama~
MamiKyou anon, you missed the point of TDS! It's not MamiKyou, it's Mami's intense kouhai fetish. Whoever's her kouhai, she likes. It doesn't even have to be one person at a time!
You're completely right. But Kyouko and Mami still have that history that lays the foundation for my ship.
I would never ship Sayaka with anyone, I don't like her enough.
Well, there's no helping poor taste.
But do keep in mind most people do like Sayaka and the rival dynamic she has with Kyouko, which is why the ship is as popular as it is.
>still no post-madoka, pre-rebellion content
why does the best triumvirate era get shafted so?
It's an optimal time for suffering and badassery.
Yeah, I understand that now. I really like the whole rival x rival dynamic, but just not for Sayaka. Plus, Sayaka is
straightso it wouldn't be fair for Kyouko.
>But do keep in mind most people do like Sayaka and the rival dynamic she has with Kyouko, which is why the ship is as popular as it is.
Sayaka is popular because she suffers.
I like her most when she suffers, and the more she is lovey dovey, the less she is suffering, and so the less interesting (and the more pretentious and annoying) she becomes.
Sayaka's physically attracted to Junko Kaname, Madoka, and Homura to at least some degree. Saying she's bi really isn't out of the question.
When did Sayaka ever act attracted to Junko or Homura? Yeah, I know she's Bi at the most, but in my head canon she's straight and just likes to jokingly flirt with her friends for fun.
I'm running low on MamiKyou pictures, does anyone think someone will draw some MamiKyou for me in the drawthread?
>But do keep in mind most people do like Sayaka
>Well, there's no helping poor taste.
She gushes about Junko during the discussion about ribbons, and calls Homura a quote-unquote "total hottie".
And leaving Sayaka straight leaves her totally alone. It's sorta unfair, I feel, when Mami has her shiny new kouhai to stave her pain but Sayaka is left to just kinda watch her ex-crush and friend act lovey-dovey.
Oh, I remember now. But you don't need to be gay to realize someone of your own gender is hot, but I get what you mean.
I'm okay with Sayaka being alone, she's a shit.
People always seem to forget that a darkened soul gem affects mental condition too. People aren't the cheeriest and most accepting when they're sick. Sayaka's sickness is directly within her essence. She's just a stupid who doesn't realise cleaning it will make her feel better.
>She's just a stupid who doesn't realise cleaning it will make her feel better.
That's why I think she's a piece of shit. I have no sympathy for people who sit around cursing their misfortune without bothering to do anything to try and help their situation.
Both Sayaka and Kyouko care deeply about each other you should stop pushing this "staight" crap she's moved on and from the looks of the story progression has grown attach to Kyouko.
As far as I'm concerned Sayaka considers Kyouko to be a dear friend and partner. I'm okay with admitting Sayaka is most likely bisexual, but she clearly leans towards dudes.
Plus I really don't care if Sayaka gets happiness, so I don't think too much about her.
But what makes you think romance between the two is implausible? That's what it sounds like you're saying. Sayaka at the very least considers Kyouko important enough for her to decide coming back and helping with Homura's problem to be a worthwhile endeavor. After seeing what Kyouko's done for her, she values her high enough that she regrets going with the LoC. Not losing Kyousuke, she felt it was still worth it in the end. No, it was leaving Kyouko alone that stung her.
It feels more romantic than Mami getting a crush on her kouhai and then filling the void with other cute newbies when said kouhai has a mental breakdown.
>Implying Homura lasted more than a week being seperated from her soul mate
Wraith arc suggests she crashes pretty hard.
One of the Anthology books has a few post-series segements. Homura is miserable so Kyoko and Mami try to cheer her up. Homura and Kyoko get along well as battle buddies but don't have too much in common personally outside of their tragic lives. Homu purposely gets injured and visits a nurse named Madoka so she can hear/say the name. Homura is also grooming Tatsuya into becoming a ecchi artist, not realizing he's drawing pictures of his non-existant sister. Madokami is not pleased.
I am a little surprised by the lack of fan content on the three exclusively. It was a solid 2 years of no new content.
>Sayaka is popular because she suffers.
I wish you were right, but I know too many people who like her as a character. She's an arrogant shit because she knows everything going on in Rebellion.
I loved when Homura got her back for the alley way trolling at the end of Rebellion.
You don't have to love someone to try to save them. They were comrades, so it's only natural she would care enough to come back for her. Like I've said before a romantic relationship between Kyouko and Sayaka simply doesn't feel natural or right. KyoSaya just feels forced, it doesn't feel like the natural development of working together, but MamiKyou does.
You see things really inverse to how most people do. MamiKyou has always looked sisterly to me and romance feels kind of tacked on for the sake of pairing the spares in the end of series and Rebellion intermission, making Sayaka suffer, or that one Pixiv artist who has KyousukexSayaka as their OTP for whatever reason.
Oh I agree that MamiKyou is a sisterly like relationship. But I always thought that relationship would develop into a romantic one, given enough time. I guess I should post my headcanon of events leading to this:
Post Rebellion Sayaka and Kyouko become much closer as Sayaka loses more of her memories of the Law of Cycles. Kyouko, being niave and innocent about how love works assumes that she and Sayaka are dating.
As the years go on Kyouko starts questioning their relationship to herself as she and Sayaka haven't been doing any lewd things or kissing at all.
When she confronts Sayaka about this, Sayaka is confused and doesn't understand, as from her point of view they've just been very close friends for that time. Kyouko realizes her mistake and distances herself from Sayaka to clear her head and try to make sense of what's been going on.
She goes to Mami for advice on how she should handle this. While all this had been happening, Mami had slowly become more aware of romantic feelings for Kyouko, but resigned herself to supporting Kyouko and Sayaka's relationship, as she assumed they were dating as well and she wanted Kyouko to be happy.
Upon finding out that they had not in fact been dating, she blurts out a love confession, claiming she had loved Kyouko the entire time and rambles on about why she felt this way. As she listens to Mami's explanation, Kyouko starts to feel the love and admiration she felt for Mami when they first worked together bubbling up once again. When Mami calms down, Kyouko proposes that they try dating a little bit to see if they work well as lovers.
There you go, that's what I think would happen. You guys can go ahead and make fun of my fanfiction all you want, but that's truly how I believe Mami and Kyouko should get together in a post Rebellion world.
Can someone explain to me why crack shippers are such awful people? No really, they have ruin endless threads, attack people on a daily bases, and have killed nearly all productivity of scanlating fan content.
All this talk about ships.
The only ships in this franchise I care about are Homumado and Maminagi. The latter because lolis need their nee-chans, while the former makes the most sense and has become personal for me.
Kyousaya, otoh, does nothing for me.
Oh, they talk to each other and come to some sort of understanding? That's not how romance works, imoutos.
It's the dynamic, nee-san. When a dynamic resonates with you, for whatever reason, you become attached to a duo. And a lot of the time, people interpret dynamics as romantic. And then the dynamic changes, they get more touchy-feely and playful... it feels more like a couple compared to the onesided pining for Madoka, you know? Homura completely loves Madoka but it doesn't seem couple-y or romance-y. I like MadoHomu and all, but there's a reason why so many of their doujins are domestic lovey-dovey fluff compared to more grounded KyouSaya stuff (not to say it lacks any, but still).
>compared to more grounded KyouSaya stuff
I've heard people say this, but I dont understand it. KyoSaya is solely based off of them beating the shit out of each other and Sayaka holding her hand at the end of Rebellion.
MadoHomu is not even one sided. Madoka is all over Homura in Rebellion and series Madoka is at the very least bonded with Homura in TL 1-3. Even in the shittier time lines where they aren't friends, Madoka is still drawn to her and I dont doubt she still will be.
KyoSaya literally just kills each other.
>It's the dynamic, nee-san. When a dynamic resonates with you, for whatever reason, you become attached to a duo. And a lot of the time, people interpret dynamics as romantic. And then the dynamic changes, they get more touchy-feely and playful...
>and Sayaka holding her hand at the end of Rebellion.
Some people were bothered by Charlotte returning as Bebe/Nagisa, yet I found that moment to be worse.
And let's not forget that Sayaka was pining for a boy and did the things she did because of said boy.
>MadoHomu is not even one sided. Madoka is all over Homura in Rebellion and series Madoka is at the very least bonded with Homura in TL 1-3. Even in the shittier time lines where they aren't friends, Madoka is still drawn to her and I dont doubt she still will be.
What she said.
>Oh, they talk to each other and come to some sort of understanding? That's not how romance works, imoutos.
To be fair, it's not that much worse than the reason Mami and Nagisa/Charlotte got shipped together.
KyoSaya's based on them communicating with each other openly and changing as a result. MadoHomu is that for one flashback episode, outside of which their relationship consists of Homura doing her best to not be honest with Madoka. She has a pretty good reason for it, but it doesn't really make for a compelling relationship.
That, and the handholding is preceded by Kyouko and Sayaka living together and having a playful and affectionate relationship.
>the former makes the most sense and has become personal for me.
Tbh I'd rather Homura have the mercy kf death than be friend zoned.
>She has a pretty good reason for it, but it doesn't really make for a compelling relationship
It seems compelling enough to base a major portion of a franchise on.
It seems like the only reason Homura didnt try to take anything further with the relationship was because she was focused on the whole witch problem and Madoka shouldnt be here thing.
>That, and the handholding is preceded by Kyouko and Sayaka living together and having a playful and affectionate relationship.
Dat sweet off screen development that let's you believe anything you want about the pairing.
>It seems like the only reason Homura didnt try to take anything further with the relationship in Rebellion* was because she was focused on the whole witch problem and Madoka shouldnt be here thing.
>It seems compelling enough to base a major portion of a franchise on.
Nah, that portion is about their connection and Homura's obsessive love for Madoka, not their relationship. They barely even have a relationship outside of flashbacks.
>Dat sweet off screen development that let's you believe anything you want about the pairing.
That's pretty funny coming from someone championing MadoHomu. Besides, it's not offscreen. You see exactly what kind of a relationship Sayaka and Kyouko would have under more pleasant circumstances.
Some people can't accept a pair that had little screen-time from a movie that focuses mainly on Homura.
Least you get the idea why they're so close now and it's understandable witnessing the events of Sayaks's arc.(notably episode 9).
The minority of this /u/ audience just seems to dislike or not care for the pair at all just 'cause of their whining of little development when it's obvious why the two are close now or downright hating Sayaka and (occasionally) Kyouko as characters.
Bitch, I'll cut you
This is an argument?
Let's see here:
TV series airs.
Sayaka and Kyouko interact non-romantically (except when your goggles are set to retard).
Fans inexplicably ship them.
Said ship is really popular.
Rebellion comes out.
Suddenly your yuri goggles don't have to be set to retard anymore.
A: Urobuchi/the staff noticed the popularity of Kyousaya and wrote it in to appeal to the fans (AKA "pandering").
B: Rebellion shows how their relationship would become romantic because the situation is different or some shit. Eventhough this Sayaka is exactly the same Sayaka that pined for Kyousuke for the whole series and showed no romantic interest in Kyouko.
Am I seriously arguing about ships? Please, kill me.
Sayaka's explicitly over Kyousuke in Rebellion. Ever since episode 12, she understood her wish was dumb and selfish but reasons that it's still worth it to give Kyousuke a chance to play the violin again (after all, as she mused early on in the series, she's a girl almost completely content with her life who's offered a wish while someone who deserves a miracle like a crippled boy doesn't get one). She's a-okay with Kyousuke and Hitomi being together and recognises Kyousuke doesn't make the greatest boyfriend.
People always overlook Sayaka's more introspective moments and just think about episodes 6-8.
>people are still wrong on the internet
Fuck it, let's just pair the two best girls together and call it a day
You don't care about the characters and their established relationships, you just care about pleasing yourself.
KyoHomu is something I dont see enough of. It's almost non-existent in dojinshi. It seems like it'd be at the very least entertaining.
>Sayaka's explicitly over Kyousuke in Rebellion. Ever since episode 12, she understood her wish was dumb and selfish but reasons that it's still worth it to give Kyousuke a chance to play the violin again (after all, as she mused early on in the series, she's a girl almost completely content with her life who's offered a wish while someone who deserves a miracle like a crippled boy doesn't get one). She's a-okay with Kyousuke and Hitomi being together and recognises Kyousuke doesn't make the greatest boyfriend.
And therefore she must date the other person whose name starts with kyou.
I told you to kill me.
>Nah, that portion is about their connection and Homura's obsessive love for Madoka, not their relationship. They barely even have a relationship outside of flashbacks.
Are you implying flash backs are not important in a show which a significant plot piont relies on time travel?
Urobuchi already said they had a lovelike relationship by the end of the series. It showed hard in Rebellion. It took one movie to push Homura into the romantic love zone, it'll take one movie to do the same for Madoka.
>You see exactly what kind of a relationship Sayaka and Kyouko would have under more pleasant circumstances.
You get to see their relationship had Sayaka not been completely unlikable as a character. Kyoko already wanted to be friends, showcased by the three time we see Sayaka.
Madoka and Homura would have still been friends in any universe that Homura didnt actively avoid forming an emotional connection with her. Sayaka only considers Kyoko a friend after she died, got over her crush, and came back to life.
>the devil and the preacher's daughter
Yeah, totally not cliche.
>Are you implying flash backs are not important in a show which a significant plot piont relies on time travel?
No, but it is a bit of a problem when they all happen in a single episode and mostly when Homura's a completely different person.
>because you bastardize how they are portrayed in the series
Aren't you the guy who used to scanlate porn doujinshi of 14-year-old girls who never went beyond handholding in canon?
Sayaka doesn't rebuff Kyouko when she's dying. She opens her heart to her and admits she was wrong. The last time it happens, Kyouko explicitly says they were friends. We don't see much of the first time, but they are on the same team.
She said she doesnt even care anymore. She doesnt have the energy to rebuff Kyoko.
The line was "We were just starting to become friends." Kyoko feels that way in every time line even if Sayaka hates her. To be fair, I do attribute most of this to the "conclusive" (re: miserable) ending of the series. There is no real resolution on KyoSaya and Rebellion gave us that. It was heavy handed though. Beginnings and Eternal do a better job than the series presenting KyoSaya, but it still doesnt feel like it should happen. Now I will admit, Madoka doesnt realize how much Homura matters to her until she made her wish. It seems like Sayaka felt the same way when she died. But, the fact is 1) KyoSaya never did a naked space hug through time and space and 2) Kyoko doesnt remember sacrificing herself for Sayaka's sake because she only has one timeline of memories.
>She said she doesnt even care anymore. She doesnt have the energy to rebuff Kyoko.
If that was all there was to it, why would she talk to Kyouko at all? And why admit that Kyouko was right, or look her in the eyes as she dies? They have a real connection in that moment.
>KyoSaya never did a naked space hug through time and space
They lived together, held hands and didn't have one betray the other, so I'd say they're at least even.
>Kyoko doesnt remember sacrificing herself for Sayaka's sake because she only has one timeline of memories.
And still she loves that hontou baka. Besides, Sayaka remembers.
It's fun to talk about Japanese cartoon lesbians (and bisexuals!).
The only character who actually loves another is Homura, and her love for Madoka has become something twisted. Madoka has always thought of Homura as a friend and nothing more.
Sayaka and Kyouko spent most of their time interacting as enemies. Kyouko wanted to help Sayaka as a means of redemption, not because she loved her. They lived together in Rebellion because Homua wanted them to.
Anything more than this is headcanon. The "canon" couples only exist because that is what is popular among the fanbase. Many of the artists who make doujinshi for the "canon" couples write the characters however they want, without any regard for how they act in canon.
Arguing about canon vs crack is pointless because neither actually exists.
Homura's probably been driven crazy at this point, but I dont see why people say she's twisted. She gave Madoka her life back because that's what she thought she wanted. It's no different than when Madoka asked her to never let her be a meguca in episode 10. If Urobuchi wanted to write her as really twisted, he would have. They re-recorded Homura's last 20 minutes of dialogue because she came off as too twisted.
Madoka not having/developing feelings for Homo at this point wouldnt even make sense. The imagery is all there. The red string and the dualistic god/devil white/black stuff just screams marriage allegory.
KyoSaya is handled questionably, but Sayaka was fully aware of what was happening and seemed to enjoy it. They didnt do the hand holding until after everyone was informed the world was an illusion, so Kyoko wasnt being manipulated at that point. Homura also didnt control them, she just set the circumstances.
Like the KLK thread, argument makes up most of the Madoka threads, but crack/anti-crack is pretty cancer.
The threads are at least mildly enjoyable when we are just arguing about Homuhomu doing nothing or everything wrong, or best ship.
I don't give a single solitary fuck about crack; it's you who barges into a peaceful thread and immediately tries to stir shit by confronting them. Notice how nobody goes up-in-arms about crack before you arrived. They don't care. It is so easy to skip over something they don't like, unlike you, who feels such a strong urge to reply to every instance of crack that you see instead of ignoring it. You call others autistic, but that's a pot calling the kettle black, and it's because of your incessant reactions that people post even more of what you hate.
>The imagery is all there
You don't need to go that far. Madoka spends all of Rebellion hitting on Homu.
>KyoSaya is handled questionably
No it's not.
HOMURA DID NOTHING WRONG
No, seriously. She made the ultimate fucking universe, Madoka is a human again and able to enjoy her life. There's no reason why the law of cycles isn't continuing as she's a human as it doesn't work in linear time. In the future Madoka and Homura will work together as a united law of cycles.
It's all perfect and I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.
That's really all that's left, yes.
I dunno, I would definitely post more if I didn't feel like I had to police everything I write just in case I wake the sleeping monster. I've see similar arguments on /a/ about everything having been discussed to death, but everything is new to someone somewhere and reading things on an archive isn't the same as discussing them yourself. And there is still occasionally new content.
Not that any of it is ever HomuMado.
>You don't need to go that far. Madoka spends all of Rebellion hitting on Homu.
No no, I do. You see, everything else in the film was meticulously planned down to the most minuet detail, but anything suggesting Madoka's thirst can only be quench by HomuHomu is pure pandering.
>No it's not
Im probably just projecting my dislike for Sayaka when I say that. Kyoko not being a lonely street rat makes me happy.
>Kyoko not being a lonely street rat makes me happy.
The thing that most gets me about Rebellion is seeing how happy Kyouko is just because she gets to hang out with Sayaka in peace.
>It's all perfect and I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.
It's not perfect, because Homura is suffering inside
Definitely. Best part of the film.
And that's why Madoka needs to fuck her.
This was definitely what I saw set up at the end of Rebellion, but I think a fair amount of people are expecting to get Rebellioned again.
Hence why it is the perfect set up: Madoka will have to save Homura from her own suffering and be the protagonist of her own damn series for once.
I mean look at what she did for Kyoko. She gave Sayaka her life back and fixed Kyousuke's arm. How nice of her. She gave Mami a loli kohai. That's cool.
She gave Kyoko a world where she didn't live on the streets, the friendship and more that she always wanted with Sayaka, a shot at going back to school and living a relatively normal life, and it appears she relieved Kyoko's traumatic baggage. She arguably did more for Kyoko than she did Madoka.
Their friendship is def like Sayaka and Madoka's, and Madoka is probably the only person who can really understand Homura at this point, but it's pretty clear Homura at the very least considers Kyoko special to her even if she can't really emote that.
Why the sad face? I don't think it hurts Madoka. Besides, she can still like Homura. I'm just saying she doesn't deserve her. Homura is too good for Madoka.
>Madoka really is the only person capable of loving Homura.
What? No? It might be that Madoka is the only one who can't, because of her wish.
>I'm just saying she doesn't deserve her. Homura is too good for Madoka.
Excluding Madoka, the closest thing Homura has to a friend is Kyoko. No one in universe likes her. I love HomuHomu, but she is way too broken at this point. The only one who can really love her is the one who understands where she came from and why she is the way she is.
Personally, I think Madoka hurt Homura really bad by leaving her on earth in the series finale and desu Madoka's kind of a shitty friend. "Im a god and I can see everything that happens and everything that ever will." Gee Madoka, you didnt think leaving your best friend with 10 years worth of tragic memories intact and a karmic burden on par with your own could have been a bad idea? Homura became a witch after she went through mental degradation caused by her abandonment and the devil out of her dedication to Madoka and Madoka more or less telling her to fucking do it in the garden. Jesus, I just feel bad for HomuHomu.
>It might be that Madoka is the only one who can't, because of her wish.
Madoka's wish issue was solved by Rebellion. It sets Homura up as being capable of co-managing the Law of Cycles. That allows them to be equals for once. Madoka doesn't need to sacrifice her duties and Homura can be with and support the only person she loves and the only person capable of seeing her as more than a borderline psychopath.
That's basically the reason why I can see Kyoko siding with Homura when the time comes. Sayaka is inevitably going to start figuring shit out and hating on Homura. Kyoko won't understand why and go to Homura who will at least tell her a version of the truth and sorta just be waiting for godoka to wake up and not want Kyoko to help her, but Kyoko will end up helping Homura anyways.
>That is the real Madoka and she is randy as fuck.
In the few scenes we get with Madoka and Homura together and not in some mortal danger, Madoka is always hugging her, or playing with her hair.
I feel like Kyoko's relationship with Sayaka isn't terribly different than Homura's with Madoka. Neither were able to be with the one's they wanted in the end of series and Homura is the only reason Sayaka or Kyoko can even be with each other at this point. I'm not saying I expect Sayaka to like her for it, but I do hope Sayaka can at least acknowledge it at some point.
Don't forget the straddling. Madoka took an innocent innuendo when she fell off the boat, sat herself up, DIDNT HELP HOMURA UP, and instead proceeded to straddle Homu. To me that just screamed "Just in case you thought it was an accident, viewers."
No they didn't, and her memories are completely changed. That's why she's so over the top happy.
That's normal friendship and cute little things to cheer her up.
That's part of being robot happy, and maybe super innocent too. It's like Madoka is sort of oblivious to how awkward she's being. Homura doesn't even talk to her until a later scene.
Madoka is happy because the Homura barrier gave her an opportunity to experience life in a suffering-free world. Nobody was forcing her to be happy. And she voluntarily surrendered her memories. to Sayaka and Nagisa. Homura had nothing to do with it.
Fuck I had forgotten how long Homura went through that shit. When I really think about it, I'm shocked Homura didn't completely break down and just lock Madoka in a rape dungeon.
Grapechan and applechan
Bump for interest on picture
Right idea, but it's MadoSaya. Because we can't just enjoy our unrealistic yet hot Stockholm Syndrome concepts, it's gotta be realistic and have Madoka elope with her fellow prisoner.
It's been years, and I'm still bitter.
So I was wondering. I see a lot of people on /a/ and other places shit on /u/ and people who ship KyoSaya and MadoHomu. They say the relationships are all in our heads and that Quartet is ready to give us the edgiest ending of all time.
They're the retards, not us, right?
Depends when really.
By the end of the show Homu -> Mado was all but confirmed, anything else was really speculation, but desired speculation.
After Rebellion Homu-> Mado was solidified, Mado->Homu became more apparent, and Kyou <-> Saya was embraced.
Still all depends on goggles though.