Nanoha Thread: Takamachi Family Edition.
Holy shit I can't wait anymore.
It'd be nice if we could get ANY indication of when these things might be coming out. The only reason we even know about 3rd is a single tweet from three years ago. Vivid's BDs and S2 were only barely mentioned at the end of the season. The continued lack of BDs is especially alarming. You'd think that people would be most hyped to buy BDs right after a show airs so it seems like delaying them will just hurt sales. They must know that.
Let's not lose track of all the excellent releases from the end of the last thread.
A La Carte 12:
Does anyone think that they will announce something at C89?
I haven't heard anything about their booth at C89. Probably not.
If this makes any sense. Maybe I'm the crazy one here, but there's something seriously wrong here.
the toe you circled is is being pushed down slightly by her left-most toe? Looks like you're saying her tow isn't there at all, but what exactly am I seeing there then? It's the wrong color to be the bed sheet, it has to be her toe.
It looks like her sole is underneath her big toe. No matter how you curl your toes, you can't get your sole under your toes.
Fuck it, whatever. But so many artists have difficulty with drawing feet properly that I automatically notice any sort of flaw now.
Have this perfect foot to make you feel better, anon.
How comes their editor takes a month to edit 30 pages? It shouldn't take you more than 3 hours to edit AND clean this much.
It's one of the worst studios when it comes to anime. They only work well when it's a Noitamina anime or when Aniplex gives them lots of budget. Otherwise, they are shit.
Yes Tsuzuki, please release more Innocent shit.
No Tsuzuki, I don't want a mainline continuation or the third film, please, continue showering me with all this useless micropay shit.
Force's not that bad, personally I'd rather have Force continued than Innocent (of course I can't know if they didn't plan something horrendous there, but as it was, with all the qualms about horrible antagonists and such, it wouldn't be that bad).
What you say is all true but not even that comparison can save Innocent, it is just too lame, remake and pointless. In my view that is, feel free to enjoy it if you do?
I greatly prefer Vivid from these three but actual action a la StrikerS/As (or actual yuri!) is a bit missing in it. Innocent doesn't even have mages, it has just some videogamers that play pointless sims and/or put on airs (which is IMHO a bit disrespectful to the original characters, in a way).
Nanoha Innocent is moe with good designs and some badass scenes. While Innocent never takes itself seriously and there isn't much plot to speak of, I still find it quite entertaining. And yeah, Fate in cheerleading outfit... Best thing since the movies imo. Innocent feels more like a Nanoha series then Force or even Vivid does. Force tries to be all grimdark and has too many characters I don't care about and Vivid doesn't even feel magical anymore with all this martial arts shit. Why do all these new characters only seem to use hand-to-hand combat?
I think Innocent is just perfect as a fluffy, fun AU for Nanoha. The big issue with it is that it is the only Nanoha stuff we get beside Vivid....which is also kinda non serious and more SoL orientated. This way Innocent gets a lot of negative shit by people.
It has been almost three years since Force was put on indefinite hiatus. Tsuzuki the hack would have been able to come up with something at this point if he still cared. After all he pulled A's out of his ass just a year after the original show, and all we get now is shit like Innocent which in my opinion is a direct offense to the fanbase.
I don't think Innocent is like the original Nanoha. Original nanoha was about cute little girls, yeah. But important thing was that they had fucking serious business. Fate particularly, that was a huge part of her charm, trying so hard for the most precious things she could fight for... and then the same became of Nanoha. That is why I don't particularly like how they put her into the Innocent universe... as a gamer that has really nothing better to do. Also being sempaied by the materials, but that is just a minor peeve that I would gladly ignore. I still read it, but that just isn't the right glorious Nanoha and epic Fate IMHO.
Actually this "little girls deeply care and want to help heroicly" bit is still present a to some degree in Vivid, which is probably why it is still likeable. It is really watered down a lot though. They should made Einhart's problems a bit deeper with more drama to really milk the scheme.
Also love against obstacles is sweet.
Problem is that Einhart's issues don't have any real weight or dire consequences should Vivio fail to reach her. Honestly, Vivio had a dozen retries to do it. Nanoha had only one try or else horrible things happen.
Hayate knows what is good
and maybe wanted breasts for Christmas.
Perhaps, but some of the battle scenes still look badass, even if there isn't anything at stake...and it's nice to see the old cast even if they have differences because they're given different circumstances. Also damnit, I don'\t care if it's pandering, but Alicia living and Precia as an accepting and loving mother to Fate is something Fate deserved in at least one installment of the franchise! Alicia and Precia also tease the crap out of Fate which is cute. Innocent has its own issues but it just feels right to me, I'll admit a lot has to do with the characters involved but I also think the artist does well with the character designs (better than Vivid and Force...) and some of the comedic moments are a nice blend of funny and cute.
The art looks familiar and I know I've seen his stuff before but I can't recall who it is..and I found these doujin images on facebook. I'll see if the original poster responds to me
Mariam-Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sanctimony: affected or hypocritical holiness. AKA holier than thou.
There you go
Pretending to lecture another person on a *porn* board.
Speaking of Lynith, Innocent blew it hen they made her unfurry and Arf chibi. They could totally be shipped, when the story already is a reboot.
It was pretty much implied
>Linith: With that… I have nothing else left to teach Fate. And the staff will be finished by tonight as well. My job is done, isn’t it?
>Precia: Yes it’s over. Once you’ve finished the staff, disappear immediately. Maintaining a high level/quality/independent familiar like you is very difficult.
>Linith: I will do that, but before that. Precia, do you remember the contents of our contract? What we agreed to when it concluded? Once the contract is fulfilled, you would give me a reward.
>Precia: Ah, yes, you will return to your former form as a mountain cat and possibly return home to the mountains.
>Linith: Even if I were restored to my animal form now (To return to as an animal now) … Well…
>Precia: You want to remain in human form? But if that’s the case, the contract…
>Linith: Is not possible (Alt: would be violated right?). Don’t worry about that, it’s something far simpler.
>Linith: Well then… I have fulfilled all that I was supposed to do. I have many (a mountain) concerns/worries and regrets in my heart but my duty has ended, so I shall quietly/obediently disappear from the stage. Fate’s staff, I may disappear but I shall leave my memories/feelings and will to this child.
>Bardiche, the spear of lightning that pierces the darkness, the axe of brilliant light that tears/shatters/cuts through the night… Take my wishes/hopes unto yourself.
>Hey, Precia, you know, to tell you the truth I was very jealous of you. I kept thinking to myself, if only Fate was my child. Then I could hold her tightly and lovingly into my arms (as her mother). But, if I never became Precia’s familiar then I never would have met Fate and Arf. So I feel more thankful to you than jealous.
>Good night, my cute Arf. My dear/beloved Fate. Good bye, my stubborn, mean and not at all gentle/kind master, Precia. Bardiche, please take care of those two/children for me.
I checked it and remembered: the reward is most likely that Precia will have dinner with Fate. Lynith probably hoped that it could change Precia's mind or at least make Fate happy a bit. See track 14
>Linith: Fate, Arf! Time for dinner!
>Fate: Oh, yes.
>Linith: Today there’s big surprise for you. So wear your best clothing and tie on your hair ribbons, then let’s head to the dining room.
>Precia: Fate, it’s been a long time/awhile.
>Precia: I heard from Linith, you’ve finished/cleared all your lessons.
>Precia: Tonight, in celebration/as a reward, let’s have dinner together
>Arf: Wow, so that woman can act motherly (has a motherly side after all).
>Linith: Well, they are family after all (mother/daughter). We shouldn’t bother them, Arf.
>Arf: I know, I wouldn’t dare.
>Arf: Um, it sure doesn’t seem family like.
>Linith: It’s the first time I’ve ever seen them eat together (have dinner together) after I was born.
>Arf: Well, I could less about that woman but Fate seems so happy though, so I don’t care.
Remember that usually, Precia wouldn't even want to see Fate at all, much less have a "family" dinner. So it was quite a special moment and IMHO it perfectly fits the "simple reward" asked by Lynith. Well if nothing else it is quite strongly implied, unlike soul transfer into Bardiche.
Glorious peppers, long live the peppers.
That resolution is triggering my autism to no end. Here, have a better one.
>And deserves exception from strict rule enforecement
This. Bardiche is one of two acceptable male characters in this franchise, the other being Zest.
He's also pretty fucking kakkoii, so that helps too.
It also sometimes takes part in Nanoha and Fate's sex life.
Guys in Nanoha are actually pretty fine. I like how there is nobody that would be emo, retarded or irrational a la shounen series. Chrono, Yuuno, Erio (which is great, because you would expect token boya in the cast to be a headstrong jerk in the best traditions), they are quite the calm pros. Zest is likeable too, but actually how he chooses death is a bit drama-cliche (but with him it's easy to forgive. Oh and you're forgetting Zafira.
Oh, except Thoma, that one is run-of-the-mill lame. It is perhaps not a coincidence that there are some vibes of harem protagonists in him - he has Subby+Number Nakajimas all liking him, Nanoha and other women around him. And he has a special-snowflake power.
Some of those factors might be related to being a protgonist I guess, a perfect guy like Chrono doesn't work for such roles.
Genya is actually quite a good material if you consider that in Innocent, Ginga, Subaru and Nove, Wendi, Dieci and Cinque are all his biological kids.
Actually, Quint must be epic level woman, bearing those six and looking so young. :drool:
>Zest is likeable too, but actually how he chooses death is a bit drama-cliche
I wouldn't call it "drama-cliche", it fits the character. He always seemed to me like the type who would rather fight for his life than live it, too bad he was afflicted with space syphilis and were doomed from the beginning. Or whatever it was.
I really liked that rugged warrior, for more reasons than one.
it seemed like he was able to catch the interest of that flaming beauty, Signum. As a male character, that definitely says something. Especially in this series and with one such as Signum
>I like how there is nobody that would be emo, retarded or irrational a la shounen series
They are also not useless. Most males in magical girl shows are either nonexistent or damsels in distress, it is nice to see boys that can fight
>I like how there is nobody that would be emo, retarded or irrational
Are we discounting force?
Anyhow, you're totally right. I guess I just don't like how most of the males are designed in Nanoha. Looks too much like the girls.
Me forgetting Zafira is completely inexcusable, disregard everything. I suck cock.
Well if I was writing it, I would have him go naturally (something like Reinforce, except without the sealing) after seeing Regius burried and saying Good Bye to Lulu, since he was sort of acting as her guardian.
Maybe it could have been interesting if he left some word for the younger cyborgs (IIRC he did say something about them being more akin to children in his eyes than soldiers?) that would eventually get rehabilitated.
Guys help. What's the pass for this archive? I fucking don't know Chinese.
Or the "SJWs" might be right after all? As with similar labels, "SJW" is used as an insult to bash people other people disagree with. That can mean these people are full of shit, but it can also mean they are right but things they say aren't well received for that reason.
Ah, but better to stop the offtopic.
Hmm, or maybe the poster's. However, the archive is just 60 megs anyway, so I would wait for something bigger/etter to get uploaded. The past volumes appeared on DDLs and on Nyaa, so I'm optimistic.
The usual dozen NanoFate doujins that will never make its way out of Yamibo I suppose.
I don't think thats true, at least not to the same degree tumblr does
Anime is full of interesting and badass girls, even shonenshit and harem manage to pull off good female characters most of the time despite being written by men for men.
You could say they are sexualized but claiming that anime girls are useless and damsels in distress is stupid when even the shittiest of waifubaits has more personality and impact than most female characters in tv
I think the problem with anime plots generally is that even when they have strong/cool girls, they for whatever reason end up needing the guy's help or something, even if it is the weak/lame protagonist type. Various warriors/mages/demons etc girls in harems for example, they always end up being "protected" too, or at least get emotionally dependent or something.
I don't think it is a coincidence, it's probably what the japanese guy wants to see - women need the man. In Nanoha it's luckily not occuring much, maybe Erio's Fate-grab at the end of StrikerS could count.
Damn, I went on to rant off topic again.
The absolute worst example of that I know of is in Kim Possible, which ends with the title character beaten by the alien, leaving it up to Ron to unlock his super powers to save her.
> I think the problem with anime plots generally is that even when they have strong/cool girls, they for whatever reason end up needing the guy's help or something, even if it is the weak/lame protagonist type. Various warriors/mages/demons etc girls in harems for example, they always end up being "protected" too, or at least get emotionally dependent or something.
I honestly think that the real issue with that is when you come across a plot that goes for that, the execution comes out as forced...
Should there be a reasonable explanation for a hero being caught flat footed, one that is shown... not spoken off, you would see a LOT less bitching over it.
I thought the series and movies already covered that: she's an artificial mage made by a crazy old woman.
Happy New Year!
As someone who has made digital rips and knows how easy it is, I'm impressed by how someone managed to fuck up this one. It seems like they would've had to first make it correctly and then consciously choose to alter it in ways that made it worse. I checked their previous digital rips for Vivid and they seem fine so I'm not sure how they dropped the ball on this volume.
I think not, look at those hands. Also probably wouldn't be handling the loli like that if it was a guy.
She should hold back so that Ein can still have Vivio's kids.
Nanoha ViVid Chapters 58, 59, 60, and 61
Hmm, I'm disappointed that Witchy wasn't shown more after volume 11/12. I thought they would show her personality and/or story a bit.
>I thought they would show her personality and/or story a bit.
And you won't see her in 13-14-15. We have new qts now.
Einhart's suffering is so moe. Your pain only makes my shipping stronger.
No way, the visor has returned. And we thought it was dead for sure.
Hmm, after reading that it turns it was exactly as I expected - it failed to believably explain why is such a brutal fight actually needed.
But Einhart getting hit was moe, Vivio too, and we wouldn't see these things otherwise.
Me wants to see adult Vivio and Ein having sex already
It was not brutal, it was a real fight. It may seem out of place because so far all matches were for fun or sport and Einhart made the mistake of thinking this was going to be the same but for Vivio this shit was serious from the very beginning.
She trained with Nanoha, she asked Nove not to stop the fight, it was obvious she wanted to go all out, and not in a good way. For her this was not friendly sparring, she was trying to convey her feelings, tell her that she didn't need to sulk about the past, that she could rely on her and her strength, show her that she was worthy of being her friend.
This was a fight with real stakes, not only emotionally but also physically with Vivio going full Fate on her defences.
In other words, this was a real, full on Nanoha fight and I fucking love it
Holy shit is this written by the original author?
Yeah, but what was the reason, besides we audience wanting to see it?
>Einhart gets depressed for losing in tournament, so Vivio decides to cheer her up by beating the shit out of her.
Makes total sense. (I'm not bitching, just calmly stating.)
>Einhart gets depressed for losing in tournament, so Vivio decides to cheer her up by beating the shit out of her.
Vivio wanted more attention from Einhart. She tried to distract Ein's dark thoughts, make her think less about muh Haou and more about others and their feelings(including Vivio).
Yeah, but my point is that it feels like such a small issue which would probably sort itself on its own, or if she dragged her to eat ice cream or something (even if she refused, had Nove told her she needs to, she would obey) and have a walk in a park together or something.
But it's fine if she gets roughened up on the path to victory.
So did Einhart
with poor Corona. Vivid sadly doesn't have space for meanngful battles besides the dumb tournament.
I'm starting to be worried about Ein's face. Her "friends" don't exactly take it easy on it.
What is BreakerS about, anyway? It looks like it could be fun. Kinda pitty it'S not translated, I would galdly trade it in for the other doujin called BsomethingS.
I want Nanoha and Fate. Why can't we have Nanoha and Fate.
>SS1 manga adaptation
Hmm, seems close to the anime at some points, although it also drops stuff - the Fate encounters from ep4 and 5 are connected into one. And no hotspring Arf, sigh. The inclusion of SS1 is not a bad idea though.
The mangaka is better at lolis than at adult girls though, I would say. And the way he(?) draws eyes seems to be closer to Seven Arcs Nanoha style than Innocent manga.
Hmmm, at the end of the volume (it is from march 2014 it seems), there are promos for Force. SPeaking of that, how come the 31st untranslated chapter never turned up anywhere, not even in raw form?
Innocent Intermission 02 hasn't been translated too.
Innocent is amazing.
Hmm, I think these new characters might be making Innocent a bit better. I don't like Innocent Nanoha much and Innocent Fate is making little sense, but the loli-versions of StrikerS seem more viable as characters somehow. Maybe it is because they aren't direct remakes of the originals due to the age nerf.
It is still a bit too dumb, but chibi Tia is more fun at least.
You're right. Great chapter, Innocent really has grown on me.
Disappointing that the scene when Subaru catches here didn't make it in. That would have been the best part.
It's just she's a sufficient slob about clothing and look to fool Teana, not really a reverse trap.
InnocentSubby being a bit of an airhead doesn't even realise InnocenTeana got things wrong, if I understand it correctly. Heheh.
Nice to imagine this grows out of the two of them.
>Incest, they are just regular sisters in Innocent (unless something not matching the "normal" setting gets revealed, with could happen perhaps, but no indications yet). Remember that Alicia is older, so not twins.
But you can't look that similar without something causing it. I know it's anime, but still...It's not out there to think they're more than just sisters.
It's because it takes over all the character designs and character traits from the original, while being a remake. I wouldn't read more into it.
Look at how much sense the materials and f.e. their calling Dearche "our king" makes.
Is there going to be another nanoha anime featuring nanoha? Cameos dont count.
I'd say at this point basically don't expect anything. if it happens, it will be a pleasant surprise.
Also, somebody on /a/ posted some spoilers.
Vivio is so lucky, I wish I'd two mamas too.
A couple more here http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4323482388
They touch each other enough in bed anon, let them spend the few panels they get in this manga with some quality family time.
>how he loaths yuri and Nanoha female characters
What? I have no idea what's in the deleted page but I can only guess since I see Cyclone's name mentioned. But Cyclone's just some waifufag who wants to fap and happens to have the skills to draw. What is this "he loathes nanoha chars" shit from?
It was the (mostly) anti-crack obsessed person. We got to stay clear from that toxic debate, it goes nowhere.
To divert attention, some /a/non noticed this look like Signum is grabbing Shamal's butt.
Just looked at hdoujins featuring Ginga.
Looks that when she is not fucked by her dad (eeeewww!) or futa Cinque (the fucking what?!!!), she actually tends to be done by Subaru in doujins.
Who would you yuri-ship Gin-nee with?
Careful, that is another topic that can serve as a bait to a toxic discussion, you know.
I just finished A's, I suppose they didn't know back then what to do.
Well, imagine how would it be in reality. People unaware of NanoFate being a couple would definitely think Yuuno has a chance and might pester with such questions, without ill intent. Question is if Fate would still keep it secret from Chrono at that point (he is speaking with Chrono, isn't he?). Maybe they were not really all-out lesbians then?
Alternative explanation is that Chrono could be trolling Yuuno despite knowing about the NanoFate truth. In Sound Stages, Chrono routinelly teases him, for example by pretending he considers Yuuno Nanoha's familiar ("ferret with an extremely good human transformation").
Really? Well, I don't know if you remember me but I went here some months ago saying that I was watching the first season and I saw Chrono as Nanoha's love interest which it was clearly abandoned and I never expected to have Yuuno since he was treated just like a pet in the first season.
I thought that Nanoha was more yuri than Symphogear, maybe I was wrong and Symphogear's staff had more guts than the Nanoha's staff
Chrono has signs of
the eventual get together with Amyin S1 though. And in S2 it continues with the soundstages suggesting heavily. Amy even "jokingly" offers to become his wife
But I think Chrono + Nanoha might have been a thing in some of the ero games that were proto (nad of course non-canon) phase of the franchise.
I guess they were still sort of keeping an escape hatch in StrikerS, in case adult NanoFate as a couple was badly received. Then the following Sound Stage tried to downplay NanoFate even more, but I think that was caused by someone else being in charge. It's really with ViVid that they stopped pretending, but unfortunately NanoFate gets less screen time here.
Keep in mind that they were still treading in mostly unknown waters at the time. Yuri-relevant all-girls action series may be something of an anime mini-staple nowadays, but that's mainly because Nanoha, and NanoFate, proved successful in the first place. It probably took more guts to do NanoFate back then than it took to do HibiMiku in more recent time.
Even if he knew that wouldn't stop him from trolling Yuuno
Besides, this is really early in their life, This was even before Chrono married Amy
as much as we like our lesbian lolis it makes sense that they wouldn't be on a serious relationship on their 15s.
>Then the following Sound Stage tried to downplay NanoFate even more,
It's the opposite actually, maybe you were talking about that one Megami sound stage but those are not canon, they break the 4th wall and contradict the canon content of the series. Most of the NanoFate romantic development happened behind the scenes or in side material such a the sound stages, particularly the sound stages that takes place after StrikerS are the one that started the whole Takamachi Family thing and made their moves to make NanoFate married couple, not that everyone didn't consider them that before in Japan.
So I'd say it's not a series I would watch for yuri, it's too long and more of the development of the main lesbian couple is not shown, you just get small snapshots of their relationship as it progresses until they start their family and their relevance in the series falls. On the other side, if you watch it, this is one of the few yuri couples raising a daughter, and it has a lot of good doujins.
>some /a/non noticed this look like Signum is grabbing Shamal's butt.
Nove is angry!
And WTH Sieglinde, we though we are supposed to ship you to Victoria.
You suck for not using this as the OP image.