Last one hit bump limit.
ITT: Which pairings will make it to the finale?
Also ep11 discussion
Probably just Opal/Bolin and Varrick/Zhu Li. Korra, Asami and Mako will all stay single and the fandom goes insane.
>Also ep11 discussion
Oh that Kuvira.
I have seen some tumblr posts saying like "oooh but look Kuvira was willing to sacrifice her true love for her cause" but all I got from Kuvira in this ep was "lol bye Bataar never in my life will I have to touch a dick again"
Korrasami will never happen, but I don't think Makorra will either, didn't they both make it clear that they don't work well as a couple? The fandom will most likely go crazy
>Varrick quit being dense and acknowledge that Zhu Li was the best thing that ever happened to you and confess your eternal love to her already
Sorry, I reached a whole new level of low these days when my frustration at the complete lack of canon lesbian ships anywhere ever hit me. Now I'm trying to fill the void by caring about some straight ships for a while.
>"oooh but look Kuvira was willing to sacrifice her true love for her cause"
That's an impressive misreading. In Kuvira and Bataar's first dialogue this episode, Kuvira rather obviously avoids saying she loves him and doesn't look particularly enamored during their hug.
>all I got from Kuvira in this ep was "lol bye Bataar never in my life will I have to touch a dick again"
I'd find it funnier if Kuvira insisted they wait until marriage.
They are ranting about how hard it was for Kuvira to let go of Bataar. I shit you not. I keep looking at the scene frame by frame and I just don't understand where this care and love is supposed to be
Bolin/Opal and Varrick/Zhu Li definitely.
I'm okay with Korrasami not being explicit, as long as they both survive.
Oddly, I also hope they don't kill of Mako. But that may be because I want to imagine his reaction to his exes dating each other.This leaves the pairing up to interpretation, which is fine. Canon Korrasami would be ideal though.
Bet she did.
>We cannot afford to be distracted by the flesh at these times of war, my love.
Even funnier if she fucks female soldiers while Bataar is away. Poor guy.
Yes, if Kuvira really loved him she could have just said it. You'd assume since they are getting married she would have told him that a thousand times already, right? To be honest, I don't think she even has to try and look convincing as Bataar is in complete denial already.
>wait until marriage
That's not unlikely, I don't think Kuvira was that eager to fuck him. I am still trying to figure out if she would be the kind to cheat on him behind his back though (because come on, everyone knows she is a lesbian)
>Kuvira fucking female soldiers while Bataar is away
I 200% support this. Actually I'm drawing a short comic for my girlfriend about this and it's basically about women enrolling in the earth empire army to get a chance to fuck her.
Seriously though, would it be so horrible to have a canon lesbian couple? Would kittens die or something? Apparently I'm too dense to get it.
It doesn't have to be Korrasami, I'd take anything. Also while I'd rather not have stereotyped characters, butch/femme lesbians exist and can still be portrayed as such if it's done in a respectful way. It's masculine-looking, men-hating, all-girly-things-are-evil lesbian characters I'd be worried about.
>Korra being gay reinforces the stereotype that a woman with traditionally masculine traits must be a lesbian.
That's really reducing Korra's entire personality to the fact she has muscles. You're forgetting about her actual personality. She's emotional to the point that she's ridiculed by fans for crying too much, she clearly thinks romance is important, and she has no issue showing how much she cares about the people around her. She has emotional strengths and weaknesses, fights with her self-esteem this season, but still gets back up when she's hit. We can only assume she doesn't care about what she looks like, but is that so much because it's her personality or because she wasn't raised in an environment that emphasized looks? (The same can be asked about her enjoyment of fighting. Why is that a stereotype for Korra who was raised to be a warrior and not Asami who was raised to defend herself?) She wears more masculine water tribe clothing, but she also wears a feminine dress for formal events.
How in the world can that complex character be reduced to a butch lesbian stereotype?
You are completely right. If we were to reduce everyone to one or two of their qualities or habits we could all fit into a number of stereotypes. Korra is a complex character, not just an archetype and it would have been great to have her as openly lesbian/bi, as well as Asami.
This was going so well, contribute or fuck off.
>>"oooh but look Kuvira was willing to sacrifice her true love for her cause"
>That's an impressive misreading. In Kuvira and Bataar's first dialogue this episode, Kuvira rather obviously avoids saying she loves him and doesn't look particularly enamored during their hug.
Yeah, I thought it was kind of obvious that she was being evil here. This was the writers trying to destroy every ounce of gray still left in the conflict. Kuvira is the bad guy, who does bad things, like kill her fiance.
Holy fuck. I mean, we don't exactly deal with cannon here, but at least we know we're not dealing with cannon. We fully accept that Korra and Asama aren't actually going to end up together, we just like to pretend they are. These people are just flat out delusional though.
It wouldn't exactly be historically accurate, but more importantly, America is still at the stage where you simply can't have gays in kids shows. Kind of like 40 years ago when we couldn't have interracial couples. That's starting to change though, and hopefully in the next 10 20 years, we'll reach a point where the main character on a popular children's show being gay is unlikely, but still possible.
I wouldn't know about historical accuracy, since giant mecha suits apparently exist along 19th century Chinese traditional clothing (Hou-Ting) and it's a fictional world so "our" rules don't necessarily apply to it, but mine was a rethorical question asked out of frustration. America just isn't ready for this and it's kind of sad since, y'know, gay people have been around since forever just like straight people? I just hope it will get better as the years pass.
>I wouldn't know about historical accuracy, since giant mecha suits apparently exist along 19th century Chinese traditional clothing (Hou-Ting) and it's a fictional world so "our" rules don't necessarily apply to it,
I know, that's why I noted the more important reason.
Yeah, we all know Korrasami is never going to happen so every discussion we have is basically us fantasizing about it happening. Just like I know that they would never show Kuvira as a lesbian but still like to think she had a giant crush on Suyin.
These people are just in complete denial, much like Bataar himself was. Poor bastard.
I know, but there are still some people who would point at that as the primary reason.
On a related note, it pisses me off when I see homophobes trying to justify themselves using the "historically inaccurate" card in fictional universes. Just tell me you want gays to go to hell already so I know I can avoid you.
She's already been sending people from the wrong races to concentration camps, so I don't think the point was to emphasize her wickedness as such. It's more about showing her as equally ruthless and clever.
Ironically enough, it actually is historically accurate for most of history. People might not have always been incredibly open about it, but there's actually only a pretty brief period where it's so frowned upon that they actually abstained from fucking each other just because they had the same sexy bits.
Not to mention that it's usually very religious (ie bigoted) people who are against gays because "The Bible said this and that" (which we all know is bs because hand picking some verses from a book not everyone recognizes as a guide makes no sense in the first place) and since in the atla/lok universe faith revolves around spirits who don't seem to give much of a fuck about humans most of the time they would lack a reason to hate same-sex couples.
>which we all know is bs because hand picking some verses from a book not everyone recognizes as a guide makes no sense in the first place
And when you tell them about shit like
they'll get all flustered and try to shut you up.
Exactly. I am not religious myself, but I was raised in a Catholic family and even I know the New Testament (St. Paul if I'm not mistaken) states that Jesus was sent to Earth also to lift the burden of the old laws (Old Testament, therefore *including* Leviticus -which btw mentions homosexual men only-) from Christians, who are no longer bound to them.
It's just a bunch of self-righteous dicks hiding their absurd hatred behind a book.
Interracial couples are still a really hot topic too. I recall seeing a Cheerios commercial a year ago that featured a interracial couple and their daughter. I thought it was adorable. However, people were blowing the fuck up about it online.
As depressing as it is, I don't think I'll see any major change regarding homosexuality in my lifetime. The only openly gay couple I can think of being shown in a children's show was on "Good Luck Charlie", and...well, that show got canceled.
Not sure if it was for that reason, or if they included it because they knew they were going to get canceled.
At least if they both stay single at the end of the series, I can pretend they're together.
Oh yeah, if you want historical accuracy, pederasty would have been rampant among the Air Nomads (puts a spin on Gyatso and Aang, and Aang's immediate attraction to the older, more mature and nurturing Katara, doesn't it?) and other single-sex environments like Kyoshi Warriors, and absolutely everyone would assume Mako was Wu's concubine in-universe too.
Besides, Republic City is incredibly liberal. For decades, their chief of police was a woman with two children born out of wedlock and interracial relationships are apparently common and unremarkable. It's even a democracy when every other country in the world appears to be an absolute monarchy. It would be bizarre if same-sex relationships were taboo in such a society.
>As depressing as it is, I don't think I'll see any major change regarding homosexuality in my lifetime
Unless you plan on dying pretty soon, you absolutely will, even if we're only talking about children's shows.
>As depressing as it is, I don't think I'll see any major change regarding homosexuality in my lifetime
I wish I could say I disagree, but that's probably true. I guess we'll have to rely on subtle hints and pretending for a long, long time.
I remember that Cheerios commercial. I thought it was super cute and the daughter of the couple was adorable, yet people still had to go and ruin it with their racism. Then again people flipped their shit when a black actress was chosen to portray Rue in The Hunger Games, which is clearly black in the book, so yeah. Everytime things like these happen I remember of how horrible some people can be.
I know I sound naive as fuck, but if it doesn't affect you, why the fuck do you care? Let other people be happy.
Kyoshi was as lesbian as they come and no one will ever convince me otherwise, pic related.
I thought of Toph as an example too. No one seemed to care or ever mentioned it as bad or even unusual, and interracial couples are pretty much the norm, so I don't see why same-sex couples would be frowned upon.
I don't remember such a detail.
it doesn't seem farfetched to me that she adopted a child(regardless of her sexual orientation) because she was a typical lady of war, so i can imagine her picking up an orphan and training her to become an warrior who would eventually found the kyoshi warriors
something like that
you're being WAY too pessimistic about that. In the past 20 years we had MAJOR improvements in regard to homosexuality.
The reason why we even in 100 years won't see any major gay couples in media though is not because of homophobia or anything like that, it's because they are simply not the majority of people. And media, aka entertainment, is a business, so they have to make it appealing to the most common ground, that is, heteros(or rather no mention of sexuality at all, which is the most likely scenario.)
I get that the majority of people are straight, but the majority of people aren't white, and yet main characters almost always are. Women make up more than half of the world's population, but the media does not reflect that. So yes, I think homophobia plays a huge role in this. Suppose we have 5 major hetero couples in a show, would a queer couple be too much?
I dunno. Being the gay kid seems like the logic next step for the whole "coming of age" storytype. Help out the kids who are gay maybe and teach their friends to be supportive and shit.
it's not very fucking hard. You don't need to be gay to know how awful romance can be and using a gay character just lets you intensify those feelings
That's exactly what I was implying, that animated shows don't get queer couples because of homophobia, namely homophobic conservatives going "omg think of the children!!!"
i didn't say make them asexual, i said not mentioning what they are banging, in other words, they could be anything, which would mean it would appeal to everyone
the majority of people are white in america, and that is what america is producing media for.
as for the sex ratio, it's said in wikipedia there are generally more men on average, however scientist debate about that. In the end it's roughly 50/50
>But we already have major gay couples in media.
>Talking about animation
>exist in any media
what major gay couples exist in mainstream media? (not talking about reallife people, since their sexuality can not be chosen of course, but fictional characters) i don't know any aside for wacky side characters or parodies.
But big US-based companies aim their products not only for White Americans, but for their (huge) international market as well.
As for the men/women ratio, even if it is 50/50 rather than, say, 60/40 in real life, it still isn't 50/50 in the media, be it movies or TV shows.
I mentioned primarly animation because that's what we were talking about, but I don't think other works in media have decent portrays of gay couples either.
>i don't know any aside for wacky side characters or parodies.
I'm guessing you don't watch much tv. There's major gay couples in Glee, Gray's Anatomy, Modern Family, Orange is the New Black, Pretty Little Liars and lots of other shows. These days it's practically more controversial to not include gay characters in your show than the opposite.
Take Kyoshi for example. She appeared a grand total of what, three times in the whole series, yet they had to mention that she had a daughter and establish her as straight. There was no reason to do that, they could have explored literally any other side of her character but no, apparently this was top priority.
>it still isn't 50/50 in the media, be it movies or TV shows.
right, but it's again because of the target audience and writers perspective. From what i could tell, most writers are male and thus most audience they want to target are male as well.
>I'm guessing you don't watch much tv
right, i don't. When i was younger i used to watch sitcoms, but that's about it.
So i will take your word for it. But i am taking a bit of sceptism as well, as in "Are they main character or just part of a huge group?" because those sound like your wacky side characters i mentioned before, or just a "we made 1 out of our 10 people gay to appeal to the 1/10 gay people in the world" sorta thing. In other words even if someone would hate gays, they wouldn't hate the series since only a very minor part of it would be gay.
I'd also add - did those gay characters have happy ending or not.
It's the white male characters who not only come in biggest numbers but also get the best endings. I eventually dropped mainstream TV because gay happened for fanservice in one ep, then got killed in next.
I know, but do you honestly think most people are going to believe she adopted? They will just think she got married and had a kid, as pretty much no one in the atla universe had adopted children ayway.
I wasn't only talking about main characters. For example, suppose their are writing a movie:
there is 50/50 of boys/girls, so either can be the main character. For the reasons you specified, they pick a boy as the main character.
Then they apply the same theory to the sidekick.
And the villain.
And the hero's chilhood friend.
And the hero's mentor.
See? In the final result, the 50/50 ratio is nowhere to be seen.
i....shit...i accidentally deleted my long message explaining everything. However it got a bit complicated and i don't think you would have been convinced either way, and also we're getting quite offtopic.
Anyway, more wintery Korrasami!
It's okay, I have no doubt you have your own thoughts on it and they are valid, but we are getting rather offtopic and I don't think my answer would have convinced you either. Let's just agree to disagree and post more Korrasami.
>right, i don't. When i was younger i used to watch sitcoms, but that's about it.
Yeah, there have been major, gigantic strides in this in only the past couple of years. It's now pretty common for adult shows to have a gay couple, and nobody bats an eye. Arrow and Gotham both have lesbians, neither one even cannon in the comics (one in Gotham, but not her lover), and I haven't seen a single complaint.
Not the first time, especially if it doesn't conflict with everyone's main couple.
Like in Tales of Vesperia where /u/ still shipped Yuri/Judith because a) they didn't stand in the way of Rita/Estelle and b) they were just very hot together.
In this case for me it's because 1) I know my lesbian ships will never see the light of day so I want to ship something that will give me some sort of joy when it becomes canon and 2) I like Zhu Li and she seems to have quite the crush on Varrick, so if being with him would make her happy I support the ship
>finding out theres a super deep throat mod for korra
I'm sorry for mentioning Varrick/Zhu Li earlier, it's just that someone said they are likely to end up together and I agreed, maybe I was a bit too enthusiastic about it but it's not like they are one of my main ships or anything. I am just a sad sad lesbian who knows her main ships (Korrasami and Kuvira/any living woman on Earth basically) will never happen so I need a distraction sometimes.
>This thread has turned out weird.
This should fit then. From an anon on /co/.
Uhm I see, but personally I don't want to see dicks in /u/. It's a matter of what I find aesthetically pleasing/arousing, nothing to do with transphobia.
Uhm... Okay? I never said I was going to stop shipping my yuri ships or that I would put a het ship over a yuri one, I would never do that.
Question: do you have any other yuri ships for atla/LoK besides Korrasami and Tyzula?
Kuvira/Suyin, as an affair that broke Kuvira's heart when Suyin wouldn't leave her husband to unite Earth Kingdom by her side. I also like Kuvira/her female soldiers and Ty Lee/some cute Kyoshi warrior, but I don't suppose those really count as ships.
Madokami bless you, Anon.
>Kuvira/Suyin with Kuvira being heartbroken after Su decided to stay with her husband
>Kuvira/her female soldiers
Ty Lee/Kyoshi warriors
Anon are you me these are my favorite ships
People like repeating that, but it's not really what /u/ does. All the more popular ships are either canon or involve single women with moderate-to-heavy subtext in the original.
Granted, Tyzula's a bit of an exception since the subtext isn't that heavy, but shipping them together doesn't require one to ignore any guys.
Anyway, feel free to list the apparently dozens of women in stable heterosexual relationships /u/ commonly ships with other women.
It's more of a "There arn't really enough lesbians in media to talk about" thing.
And you gotta admit, Korra totally makes for an adorable baby butch.
I'll be honest that there aren't really too many of post story fics that I find really satisfying. Or they just hyperfocus on Ty Lee and Azula which annoys me because half the reason I love longer fics is because the author has the time to get around to the people around the main couple and how they feel about the pairing, which is really a thing that not enough people fucking do.
Most fanfics in general focus too much on the pairing itself. My current favorite fic, although not a post-story fic, is Decisions made. Despite the author's less than perfect english, it manages to be a rather enjoyable fic that shows a more sympathetic view of the fire nation after a few key changes starting with Ty Lee not running away to the circus. Also it's actually pretty funny.
one day I will go a thread without having recommended this fic, I swear it.
>tfw the best recovery fics never update anymore
>half the reason I love longer fics is because the author has the time to get around to the people around the main couple and how they feel about the pairing
I'm the exact opposite, I couldn't care less about the other characters (especially if they're OCs). I always end up skipping some of the parts that don't involve the main couple.
I don't really see many OCs get involved in Tyzula fics. Plus I find it important to not have a hyper-focus on the main couple. While pure fluff and porn is nice, it just isn't enough for me.
I just watched Zhang Yimou's Hero. I realized that as funny as it is to talk up the Great Uniter and wish for her victory, actually seeing it happen would be kind of a bummer.
I would love that. As childish as it may sound, every time a character I like dies I just think it's kinda unfair they let Ozai live for fuck's sake and he was way beyond redemption.
dude was deposed and had no bending. He probably sat in prison for the rest of his life.
Which is sadly probably better than how Azula turned out, i mean holy shit she didn't have a happy end at all.
Man Azula had a really shitty life all things considered. If anyone actually believes Ozai was to her what Ursa was to Zuko they are so so wrong. Nobody loved that poor girl and it's fucking difficult to live like that when you are 15. Not saying she was a saint or anything, but no one gave her a real chance. Zuko had Iroh.
I'm pretty sure Ty Lee has some actual affection for Azula, although everything basically ended up fucking Azula over in the end. Plus Azula did care for Mai and Ty Lee in her own fucked up little way.
I am sure Ty Lee had some affection for her and that Azula cared for her and Mai, but they can't replace a parent. Now I can't stop thinking about the mirror scene in the Book 3 finale and it's giving me shivers.
Yeah. Azula got the short end of the stick and Iroh didn't even fucking try to help her out or even advise Zuko about it, despite having fucking known Ozai since they were kids and at one point being not too different from him.
Exactly. Iroh saved Zuko and all but come on dude you are Ozai's brother you should know it's not a smart idea to leave a kid around his general vicinity for more than five seconds. Not to mention the "she's crazy and she needs to go down" number he pulled. Really? The kid is 15. Give her a chance. He of all people should believe changing is possible, after all he was an accomplished general in the Fire Nation army before his son died.
I don't think I've ever found something like that either.
I don't think Ozai exactly paid that much attention to her. She had trainers for her firebending and I don't see him spending quality time with his precious little girl, he basically just ordered her around and praised her to control her and degrade Zuko. I don't think he ever loved her. Azula is never seen having an affectionate interaction with her father so I don't think Iroh was forbidden or otherwise unable to be with her, although it's clear he saw Lu Ten in Zuko and could relate to him more. I'm glad Iroh could do something for Zuko but I think Azula deserved to have someone too.
Seriously, of all the people I wanted to see in appear in LoK, I am most dissapointed by lack of Azula. Like, we know that zuko and toph would have happy endings, I mean don't get me wrong, I was happy to see them but damn, Azula is a huge fucking loose end.
Although I guess by not going into her story, they let me pretend whatever I want.
Rather, they're counting on you buying the comics.
I think they are planning on telling Azula's story in the comics, which worries me since everyone seem to be stuck in their pre-character development stage there. Personally I didn't like The Promise and I have mixed feelings about The Search. I just want to see Azula as an grumpy lesbian granny with Ty Lee by her side.
No, but I don't see us getting it anytime soon.
Nothing even remotely supported by cannon. Those are the two real ships, pretty much everything else is just porn between random female character A and random female character B, or else random side thoughts to add more lesbians to a series whose cannon count is 0.
I hate to say this man, but none of the more popular ships are cannon, and almost none have any subtext. Quite a few don't even involve single women.
Your picture, for instance, is two canonically straight women with no real subtext between them. Both have hit on men throughout the show, and neither have had any romantic scenes together. They are friends, and not really even that.
Lesbians aren't exactly common. We could never have an entire board about them if we limited our-self to cannon and actual subtext. The best you can say is that most of our ships like each other, but nothing more.
1. You fucked up spelling "canon" every single time
2. bisexuals are a thing, and saying that there was no subtext is entirely wrong and that Azula did to that boy in the beach episode was "flirting" is giving her entirely too much credit.
Actually that 2 was more like 3 things, but I ain't formating that any more.
As much as it pains me to say this no, they are not "real" ships. And sometimes ships are random porn between random female characters and it's going to be like this for a long long time because lesbians in animation sure ain't happening anytime soon.
Not only are bisexuals a thing, but some lesbians also have boyfriends in their teenage years before realizing they like girls and girls only (I had boyfriends as a teen but I can assure you after meeting my girlfriend I am definitely a lesbian).
>crap did I save that as a thumbnail
I am an idiot.
God damn I'm an awful /u/nicorn if i could forget about that. I mean Azula even has a worse time thanks to having fuckall social skills that aren't basically professional relationships or just scaring the shit out of people twice her size. Throw in the whole bullshit of spending like 3 years of her start up into puberty thinking she's the crown heir and probably having to look forward to suitors to pop out a royal heir and you've got so much shit on her head on top of being raised by Ozai which was like cause of like half of that.
Yeah basically Ozai fucked her up. The pressure that was put on Azula was unbelievable and I can definitely imagine her having troubles with socializing or expressing her feelings. Actually I don't have to imagine anything, I just have to watch The Beach to realise it. She tries so damn hard to be a "normal" teenager it's painful to look at her, including the whole flirting with that boy. Also everyone probably expected her to marry a general and pop out kids by the age of eighteen.
>1. You fucked up spelling "canon" every single time
I only spelled it twice, and I got "canonically" right. So sue me, it's a weird homonym. You spend your entire life learning that cannon has a weird spelling with a silent second n, and then suddenly 20 years later, there's a new canon spelled without it.
While bisexuals and lesbians with boyfriends before realizing they only like girls are indeed things, there is no evidence at all that Azula and Ty Lee were either of those things. Neither of them ever acted more than friendly towards any other girls. And yes, while she might have failed hard at it, Azula was indeed trying to flirt with the boy in that episode. Unlike every single time she interacted with Ty Lee. Give me one example of subtext between Azula and Ty Lee. Just one.
They're "real" as in we put "real" effort into them. They're the ones we create elaborate fantasies and fan-fics about. At least 99% of all pictures we draw include one of those two ships.
Yep, but what got me was how she was visibly more pissed about Ty Lee's betrayal than Mai's.
On /u/ it is. We are desperate people. We can just pretend Azula didn't know how to express her feelings and was scared shitless she might be rejected or ridiculed, which would fit her character.
She also shot lightning at her uncle.
Now I'm picturing Azula having a crisis trying to understand how she feels about Ty Lee and hating herself because she doesn't want to be weak and let another person have such a strong influence on her.
With Tyzula and Korrasami I see it more as cleverly exploting what canon left unsaid, a.k.a they are friends and as long as there is no proof in canon that they are exclusively into men I'll point out some things here and there and call it a day.
Not unlikely. Ty Lee strikes me as the type who could be into some kinky shit.
I though that was pretty much a given since anything that's not canon is by definition just speculation and/or wishful thinking anyway.
>Damn imagine a modern day avatar/korra gay bar AU. Pic related
Yeah that's a bit of a false equivalence there.
For example, I could look at Kuvira's behavior and argue thst she doesn't really love Baatar Jr. or however the fuck you spell it and find some evidence in canon, but if I tried to do the same with Tenzin and Pema I would have nothing to support my claim in canon.
there is however everything in canon that would indicate that she is a human
also there is something in canon that shows azula and ty lee being interested in boys
don't get me wrong, i think azula would be better as a lesbian myself, but that is up to now: not canon
simply as that
Eh the jury's kinda out on Azula actually liking boys and while I'll admit that Ty Lee does like boys, I'm somewhat doubtful of her not potentially being bisexual. If Bryke and co came out tomorrow and said, "Azula was gay for Ty Lee but due to her position and upbringing and general fears, was never able to confess" how surprised would you be about that information?
I'm not saying that's it's absolute canon, but that with the information given to us, it doesn't feel unlikely.
nonono, there is no jury, there is simply evidence. She hit on a boy, simply as that. Now her motivation for doing so was obviously just trying out to be a normal teen, HOWEVER even with that motivation it's still SOMETHING, while we have never even once seen anything, even with such low motivation, that indicates she likes girls. Nothing.
> If Bryke and co came out tomorrow and said, "Azula was gay for Ty Lee but due to her position and upbringing and general fears, was never able to confess" how surprised would you be about that information?
very and i would say considering how long it took them, they just did it for pandering to the fanbase. I don't count much for "word of god"(sorry for tvtropes speak) unless it is shown in the story later on. After all, if it were for that, then Azula is a futa and impregnated Toph.
Yeah, how much would you like that to be canon?
Did they actually say things like "no, this and that lesbian ships are totally canon" or were they just really enthusiastic about them? Sometimes I play pretend that they are but it doesn't mean I actually believe it.
Do we really have to resort to futa to settle this argument? Also this sounds a lot like alien suki- a bit more unlikely than a girl just not displaying interest in other girls during her teenage years. It also sounds a lot like those "if you are bi but have only had boyfriends so fare then you are lying" arguments.
Azula sticking it to Toph and Toph birthing Suyin would be okay for me. Kanto can still be Lin's dad.
It would be within the spirit shenanigans and Avatar divine intervention and would also mean Korra could do the same for Asami that way they could have beautiful children and show Asami's dad, Hiroshi.
Nope you are not alone. I feel that. I don't condone Azula's actions but am always ready to defend her and it was sad to see her end that way.
Alternative moral- Ozai is a dick and ruins everything he touches
Damn I need to draw some Kuvira.
author saying stuff does make stuff canon. That's the point of them being the author. Hell even what other people involved in the production of a thing tend to have a lot a weight attached to their words regarding the thing.
So, who is the most attractive (obviosly female) avatar/korra character in your opinion?
Definitely Azula in the first show. Man I would have liked to see what she looked like in her adult years. Kuvira is my absolute favorite in LoK although Asami isn't half bad herself.
You're in the wrong fucking place, anon. In other news, more Korrasami sweaters!
I tended to think of Ty Lee as bi.
Not for Azula, who terrified her too much to ever be attractive and wound up basically being an abusive girlfriend without the sex in her attempt to simulate "friendship" with another human being, but maybe for one of the Kyoshi Warriors when they were prisoners together.
I'm tempted to make a "Ty Lee was a prison bitch" joke.
>Mom, Dad. I- I have something to tell you...
>What is it, dear?
>All my life I have been wondering why I couldn't get in a stable relationship. And I finally found my answer...
>I... I joined the Kyoshi warriors !
>We know dear. You always were on the Kyoshi side, it's wonderful.
>WHAT?! No flesh of mine will be associated with those go go fighters wannabe, get out!
>All lesbian couples going to Kyoshi Island to get married under her statue. It starts almost as a joke then more and more couples start doing it until it sticks and becomes tradition.
It obviously wasn't a healthy relationship, but I don't think Ty Lee was faking her affection for Azula or even particularly scared of her under ordinary situations. I just can't see Ty Lee being that good at pretending, nor do I see any indications of her doing so. She looks genuinely happy to see Azula again at the circus and doesn't even seem that anxious when declining Azula's invitation to join her. While Azula does force her to come, Ty Lee wouldn't have dared refuse in the first place if their relationship had been based on subservience through terror. Similarly, her actions in the Beach are very difficult to see as a result of anything other than genuine fondness.
>200 posts in 2 days
I think this might be the most active Avatar thread I've ever seen.
I guess it's supposed to be Azula? That's my only guess, but it doesn't look like her that much.
Hnnnng. Anon, I didn't know how much I needed this until I saw it. Thank you for enriching my life.
Y'know, I'm surprised
there hasn't been any giant Asami art yet.
>as for the sex ratio, it's said in wikipedia there are generally more men on average, however scientist debate about that. In the end it's roughly 50/50
More men are born, but the fatality in the first years (some could argue up to teen years) is higher. Plus, china and india kill off a lot of female fetuses. So yes, all in all it's propably 50/50.
it's not vague, it's nothing
i call fake
"Lol i work at this place and could see this totally interesting footage, but i can't say anything about it except it is cool" right, sure buddy, whatever you say.
By your spoiler do you mean
perspective, or more stuff like in your picture, or Cosmic Asami a la Cosmic Korra.
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I feel like at this point it's best to remind myself that Korrasami is almost certainly not going to happen. And when it doesn't to not throw a bitch fit, claim that Bryke got it wrong, and go over all the "evidence" that it's going to happen. Because that would make me no better than a Zutaran.
There was never a chance it could happen
The only thing you could have hoped for, and it still has a chance, is that Korra will remain romance-less, so that shippers can make up their own ending without contradiction of canon
Perhaps I'm just used to how TV shows typically handle relationships, by beating the audience over the head with it, but I'm having trouble swallowing that this actually happened. Obviously the ending happened, but the events that lead up to it don't seem to synchronize with the result.
While there have always been Korrasami fans that have taken every glance as a meaningful look I've always just seen their relationship as friends, nothing leading up to the ending could be classified as romantic only behavior between the two of them so it feels somewhat odd.
Now, I have no horse in this race since I really don't ship at all it's just the relationship in general seems really underdeveloped.
Korra spent almost all of S3 hanging out with Asami and getting much closer to her. She wrote to Asami only which caused Mako to ask what is going on between the two of them, throw in how well they fought together in that same episode and at the end that Korra feels to need to apologize to Asami for not being around. None of that ever came into play with Mako or Bolin.
I might just be biased and running off of hype of them actually pulling something of this level of tease, but saying that you were surprised at this happened for any reason but "they're on fucking nick, no way they're do it" is stupid.
I'll have to rewatch Seasons 3 and 4 with a more discerning eye but I dunno, everything she did with Asami I could easily see myself doing with another friend.
I've got a real close friend I feel much more comfortable confiding in than other friends. Fighting well together just means you work well together, and the last bit about apologizing just to Asami is a minute prior to the reveal, hardly what could be called buildup.
The whole thing was quite bizarre. Defenders of the show decided that this was a tale of Korra's personal growth and so her being a hobo was the best ending. They naturally attacked Korrasami as a result.
I'll be honest I feel like we just charged through a minefield and came out unscathed, I didn't think we'd win
No, like any largerer board there was a large part that didn't want it to happen and a larger part that just wanted tears and didn't give a fuck about the end result. They just wanted a laff
I'm not that surprised. There were a lot of hints from the end of book 3. Well, not a lot, but when Korra and Asami interacted, it was always suspicious.
It's progress. It's slow, but it's progress.
Korra and Asami were having a good time with one another in Season 3. Asamai teaches Korra how to drive and they are constant companions. Korra makes specific mention about how she is happy she finally has someone like herself with whom she forms a connection. It's kind of a round about way of saying "Because of you, I don't feel so lonely anymore."
There is also the fact of the matter that during most of season 3 they were inseparable. I mean inseperable. Asami would guard Korra's body when she went to the spirit world, they both enjoyed picking on Mako for his awkwardness, and they fought side by side together again and again. Wherever Korra went, Asami spoke up and explicitly decided that she would follow. In the season 3 finale you can see that Asami is the only one giving Korra a hug and asking her to be careful while stating that she's "worried". Then, obviously in season 4 you can see that Korra writes Asami exclusively over the three year gap. Also, one must take into consideration the subtle flirtation in the dialogue and how Korra blushed on three occasions because of something she said to Asami or Asamis said to her. They kept it fringe tier subtle because of contemporary mainstream sensibilities here in America. However, it was obvious enough that something out of the blue was going on between the two.
When it's all said and done, I'm happy. The two of them really work well together (or would have worked well together on screen if intolerance didn't rule the day irl). What we got was not great, but it was the best we could have hoped for in today's social and political climate. When it's all said and done, this series is going to be looked at as forward looking, progressive, and kind of sexy.
I'm not from /u/, and I don't know if spoiler tags work but we're going to get adorable fan fiction and sexy fan art for years to come. And that, well, that's all I wanted
Or, much like every other board, /co/ is composed of individuals with differing tastes. Some loved the ending, some hated it. It's no surprise that those who hated it are currently the loudest.
THIS JUST IN!
The ending was so glorious, it made KYHU start doing korrasami again!
Much of what you said makes sense but what probably caught me the most, the god damn 3 year time skip. It felt so glossed over in my head that I kind of forgot about it. With that time frame in mind where Asami was her only correspondence I could see something happening there. Narratively, it still feels rushed because those three years didn't really get shown much, but time wise I'm not really bothered by it.
Literally lots of cartoons now are trying and have been trying to slip in gay couples of some kind lately that doesn't freak out the networks. I mean people can stick by what they think but during the series it didn't come off as just friends.
all they needed was a bit of this and I would have been a happy fucking camper
It's like on the one hand, 80-90% confirmed, but on the other hand pic.
But hey, probably as good as we were ever gonna get.
sure, there's no kiss. but the juxaposition with aang/katara makes it obvious.
I like this ship. they bring out the good in each other unlike other ships....
I can't wait to see /co/ have a shitfest for the next several months.
I seriously freaked out at the ending. I didn't goddamn expect that at all, in my wildest dreams. I thought the hug was shippy enough but then they went full out
They like shipping, hate canon gay stuff though. I wonder what /lgbt/ thinks. A lot of cartoons are being gay lately; Bubbline, that joke in Clarence, the two moms in Clarence, Korrasami..
>Korrasami was canon pairing
All these tears... all this blood shed and painful defeats. All these years of watching this shitshow unfold, with that plen Mako bumbling from one squeeze to the next, Bolin being a goofball and Korra having the writing of a schizophrenic Nicholas Sparks. All these moments of hate and of love and of utter and bitter defeat.
"Korrasami will never happen."
It was all worth it now. Everything will always be worth it now.
So, I'm gonna assume we won't get a new cartoon until 2030 but we always have comics. ATLA has a lot.
Comics can get away with more than tv shows can. I wonder if they'll up the gay in the comics
>Mako talking to Korra
>ohfuckdamn they're gonna kiss or some shit
>'I'll always be by your side' and that staring
>goddamn I knew they were gonna bring makorra back
>oh hey look, a cute korrasami scene to coo over
>aw, they're hugging; imagine the fanart
>wait what, alone together?!
>THIS IS REALLY GAY
>THE FUCking hand holding omigod
I love how tall Asami is. I re-noticed it last week and her standing next to Korra just makes it more noticeable
I fucking love this fanbase
Not really update specific but I got it while browsing so why the fuck not.
And actually kinda my favorite thus far
If they're bi that's fine and if they're gay that's fine. All that matters is they're with a woman right now.
Soccer moms would have a fit over Korra. Thr Queen murder scene and the lesbians, in a show for 7 year olds?
Cause before Korra started, /co/ got me all hyped for a delicious brown muscular lesbian. Obviously I didn't expect any gayness to actually happen, but when I found out Mako was her love interest, I just couldn't stomach it. On top of that, everyone was going on about how shitty it was, so I never bothered.
First season is okay and sorta shits itself in the end. Second is just garbage outside of the first avatar's shit, Varrick, and optionally the finale battle. S3 is great and S4 is almost as good overall with the yuri end being a deal sealer for /u/s.
uh basically they find the mom, who wiped her memory and got a new face and azula goes crazier and runs away into the woods.
Basically awful and should be thrown out a window and ignored by most /u/nicorns.
It's okay. Who would ever have imagined that a total crack ship would actually become canon?
I didn't think that it was anything but friendship with maybe a touch of subtext fanservice until the, "If you want to talk or... anything," line at the end of book 3. So I thought that it might be possible after all, if they kept building the relationship in book 4. And they did.
Dying of suffocation can be a pretty painful way to go. At least when P'Li accidentally splattered her own head inside that breast plate she probably died instantly and painlessly. Ming-Hua's being electrocuted however? Well that wouldn't have pleasant I can tell you that much. And I'd hope the lava melted Ghazan's skull quick enough to spare him some pain at least.
Fuck Book Three was pretty goddamn brutal.
It's true. Korra and Asami are cousins.
It's just nice to see that after all the times Asami has suffered over the course of the show (especially having her father die in the finale) it's just nice to see her finally find love and comfort in the arms of a muscular QT water tribe girl. It's more than most of us could ever hope for.
I'd say having an almost canon homosexual relationship in a popular Western cartoon for children counts as a pretty damn big victory. Two almost canon relationships, if we count Bubbline in.
But, uh... I recall seeing a bunch of yuri anime announces on /u/. And there were some nice VNs released, too. Some webcomics got lesbianed. Nothing big, though. I'm pretty sure we won't have a "yuri year" for at least three more years.
"Sky Witch" was pretty suggestive.
Also, this happened: http://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/adventure-time-actor-confirms-princess-bubblegum-and-marceli#.bhkbX2eBw
I didn't think it was anything but a bromance until right when they brought up the idea of going on a vacation alone together. I shipped it hardcore since Asami was revealed yet it didn't seem plausible.
Within 10 years expect a cartoon where a girl has a female love interest from the start and it's completely casual, like Finn and PB or Ron and Kim
If my keyboard wasn't smashed up I'd go on
But see this and learn more in the AT thread
I started shipping it it the episode where they raced cars, but it really got serious starting with S3 and the finale scene just nailed it into the maybe collum for endgame ship Start of S4 pushed it further until the reunion where Mako actively questioned their relationship.
Also all the relationship ends for kim possible were awful. I want my damn heroine/villainess show dammit. Those fucking pet names awoke an itch that has yet to be scratched.
reminder that this actually happens in canon now
Another /co/mrade here, congrats /u/!
Despite the fact that I honestly thought this would never happen considering "american animation for youth" standards, it actually happened!
Enjoy your canon pairing, as will I with the years of all the canon inspired #34 waiting to be released. Cheers!
So I went into tumblr for once to get all the new fan art and the korrasami tag is as full of people celebrating as it is of makorra shippers in full denial.
Remember those occasional posts where /u/ finds perfectly heterosexual explanations for a gay pic? Kind of like that.
Enjoy the buttfrustration
and the part two
>I don't have a "Your tears are delicious" /u/ related picture because /u/ never gets to say it.
This will have to do.
>spent book three hinting at makorra
The first fucking episode was them shootin down the ship and korra and asami being confirmed as besides. Right after the breakup for just friends end of S2. Korra and asami then proceed to spend most of their time together and barely see mako.
Jesus christ that butthurt has reached zutara levels.
I'm sorry /u/! While i was a korrasami shipper too, i never thought it would happen. In this very thread i said the chance was null it was going to happen and we're lucky if she ends up with no one.
Oh my god, i'm so happy! I'm so fucking happy!
So tell it to me straight (or gay), /u/...
What was the goggle setting at before the last episode?
I haven't been following the show at all and if it was just kinda suddenly the goggles come off, I don't think I'll actually be interested.
uh S1 has a hint of it but that's really goggles and more crack at that point in time. S3 starts it off well enough for those who wear goggles and by the finale and start of s4, only the lowest of settings is needed for goggles, if at all.
Season 1 & 2... yeah, no. You need maximum-strength goggles. Incidentally, also the worst seasons.
But at the start of season 3 the writers decided that Korra just really doesn't work with her straight love interest so he gets sidelined promptly and Asami just sort of casually saunters into the romantic hole left behind.
Makorra fans are crying like babies, geeze. "It's not gay, guys!" If it was Mako and Korra holding hands and staring at each other it'd be canon as fuck, eh?
Korra and Mako did have explosive chemistry. And their romantic history did mostly consist of bitching at each other.
Also, Mako was an obvious Zuko-alike. And we all know Zuko was a pretty big hit with the fangirls.
But, y'know, Korrasami is the ridiculously contrived fanservice ship.
It didn't feel like a makkora tease to me. It really felt more like bros to me.
Of course when asami starts walking in after Korra has her conversation with Tenzin, I'm like holy fuck.
The fact they had been love interests before, Mako's wording, Korra's smile, and the way the camera panned in had a very romantic atmosphere... Then Korrasami happens and it's obvious it was platonic and they pulled our leg.
Fyi someone on Tumblr, who I doubt the credibility of, says the ending didn't have the hand holding and staring a few months back when she saw it