Movies that changed your life

>>77353738
Unironically this. After so many Marvel shitty films, this one reminded me of the good capeshit of old, like Spiderman, Blade and Constantine.

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I was barely 15

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>>77353738

>#WHOWILLWIN

>>77353738
I wouldn't say it changed my life. I did think it was great

>>77353738

I think you're a marlelcuck false flagging but the extended cut is better than anything in the MCU

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I started acting like the Joker after I saw TDK

I used to be a naive fool, but that movie really showed me the world for what it is. Now I spend my days sowing chaos and exposing the hypocrisy of so-called "civilized" society.

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>>77354264
>not following the true role model

>>77353891
>Constantine

You're alright anon

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>>77354215
>muh marvel

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>Return of the Jedi

I now speak like Emperor Sheev for real but using his lines in everyday situations.

>>77353738
The movie itself didn't. The following threads on this shithole dissecting it did.

Ive read plato (apology) as a result of someone drawing parallels with bvs

>>77353738
I love this movie so much. It reminded me that comic books and the movies about them can be more than simple entertainment and escapism. They can show us pictures of better worlds and challenge us to be the sort of people that make them possible.

>>77354904
I don't know who is memeing who anymore

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>>77354970
It's not a meme.

>>77355097
It clearly is or you have terrible taste

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>>77354351
>muh marvel
>posts captain cuck

She lost.

>>77353738
I fucking love BvS, specifically the Ultimate Edition.

>>77355149
Do you remember when comic book stories used to have very intentional allegories built into them? That's what this has. It's creatively done and incredibly relevant to what's going on in the world today.

If you can't see it, I'm sorry. Maybe someday you will.

>>77355775
I dont read comics so I wouldn't know. Doesnt change the fact that bvs plot was all over the place and made no sense.

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>>77355848
Sure it does. People just don't expect to have to think outside what's shown to understand a cape movie. If people demanded the same level of transparency from something like, say, "The Prestige," they'd say it didn't make sense either.

But if your mind's made up, no amount of talking on my part's going to change your mind. Sorry you didn't like it. I did.

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>>77355149
Please don't bully the numales. Their cinematic knowledge only goes to imdb and letterboxd

>>77355980
>yfw you realize Lex created their logos for them

>>77355980
People go to capeshit to have *whisper it* fun. Its aimed at children so its incredibly obnoxious to then proceed to batter them with dark and edgy symbolism

Marvel understands its audience, dc simply doesn't

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>>77356027
The DC fans have never been vulnerable to bullying. Notice how I don't have to rely on attacking someone's subjective taste(or absence thereof) to make my points?

I've probably watched and forgotten more movies than you've even seen, which is only reasonable considering I'm most likely somewhere in the neighborhood of twice your age. I'm one of the outlier oldfags of this board.


>>77356157
I'm DC's audience. If you don't like them, that's no skin off my back.

Unironically this was the warning sign that says that Hollywood will fucking die

Good fucking riddance you kike propagandists

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>>77356214
>subjective taste
As you can see these imdboxd buffs true nature always comes out. He will as always try and save face with a flowery post, but their real ideals are always illuminated.

>>77356214
>I've probably watched and forgotten more movies than you've even seen

Typical DCuck superiority delusion. If you enjoyed it thats fine dont go making shitty threads lauding its merits because im going to call you out. Everytime.

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>>77356092
Exactly, and people insist that it means nothing, because that's how lazy most people are.

It's interesting to me how BvS is sort of like a mirror, the people who call it shallow, meaningless, dark, edgy, joyless, etc. actually end up revealing a lot more about themselves than they even realize.

In any event, I'm out. I said all I have any intention of saying. Those who like it know why; those that don't seem to have too little intelligence and intellectual courage to engage in any sort of reasoned exchange of opinions in the first place, and I have no intention of wasting my time with them.

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

-Matthew 10:14

>>77356305
>>77356319
I rest my case.

>>77356507
>I rest my case.
>subjective taste
Continue to post your garbage images which for some reason include you in the cap while calling others quote unquote "superbros", but know this
Your grey areas have been illuminated and your age is clearly lower than 25

>>77356658
I watched Jimmy Carter's inauguration with my babysitter at the age of 5.

Taste *is* subjective; virtuosity and technical proficiency are not. Interestingly, your image from >>77356305 highlights some of the very things fans of these films point out and you continue to handwave away as "coincidence."

And the irony of you calling out anyone else as falsely superior is palpable.

>>77356507
Its tgis false sense of superiority that really pisses me off. Bvs is capeshit just as civil war but marvel fans dont act like fucking douchebags

>>77353738
>I-I'm shitposting this isn't a shill thread at all

>>77356877
You want to know what's really funny? I like the MCU films, too, just for the mindless escapist fun they're intended to be. That doesn't mean that's all a comic book movie can be, and I appreciate MoS and BvS for having more thought-provoking fare to offer.

A false sense of superiority is insisting there's some nonexistent equivalence between the two out of some need to elevate yourself above us "proles" worshiping our "capeshit."

>>77356157
If your definition of fun is bad jokes, quips, recycled material and weak storylines then good for you.

>>77356992
You are really annoying to talk to...

> just for the mindless escapist fun they're intended to be

Its what all capeshit is meant to be. No exception. It pointless to elevate a material that can never be taken seriously because its very existence is childish

>>77357092
Its a better formula than paper thin symbolism, dark and edgy themes and dialogue that goes over peoples heads.

Capeshit is meant to be escapist fun thats literally the reason for their existence

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>>77355306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60&t=5s

>>77357239

She lost.

>>77357224
DChads had to spoonfeed the whole movie to the plebs. Everyone should lift more.

>>77357289
Benjamin is cuck to be sure, but let's not needlessly insult all women by calling him a girl too.

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>>77357224
There is no medium that is inherently vapid. You only reveal your own unwarranted elitism and vacuity by insisting otherwise.

You're not annoying to talk to, only boring, predictable, and ultimately a waste of my and anyone else's time. "Period. No exception." It's pointless entering into a discussion with someone whose entire stance is based on such childish and poorly considered preconceptions.

So. Bye.

>>77357464

She lost.

>>77357362
Im probably in a better shape than you are

>>77357552
You literally said nothing of value. sincerely, go fuck yourself

>>77357224

BvS and MoS were more fun for me though. Prettier visuals that give me eye candy, better choreographed action scene, and more relatable characters

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>>77357669
God-tier OST, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZ074cg0Gg&list=PLI8mZBL421ZePW3bjIBAIsIZamkqX7xMk&index=18

>>77357669
I'll give you the visuals and the soundtrack but these are all superficial. The story and plot was dog shit

>>77358521
What was Lex's plan?

>>77358660
Thats what i mean. Nothing made sense

>>77358804
I'd put the pieces together for you, but you'd just call it "headcanon," regardless of how well it fits with everything we're shown and everything his character's always been about.

Here's a tip - the personalized file folders are the last hint we get.

>>77358905
oh hey, its islam guy

hey islam guy

>>77358962
Hey one-to-one guy.

You made any headway on "Young Goodman Brown" yet?

>>77359004
I have no idea what you're talking about.

This may come as a shock to you, but more than one person other person posts on 4chan.

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>>77358905
>Take jigsaw puzzles,
>bend over backwards to make them fit.
>add, subtract and supplant pieces to make them fit
>not head canon lol

>>77359048
What did Lex demand from Clark?

Show me where I ignore anything. Anything. You're one of the idiots taking everything Lex says at face value and expecting anyone to think of you as anything other than a retard.

>>77359048
>film has a perfect interpretation
>lel why didn't the villain just explain his plan while twirling his moustache like in my marlel flicks?

Jesus christ

>>77359038
Oh so you're not the guy who insists that everything has to have a one-to-one correlation and everything have universal meaning to all the characters in order for a metaphor to hold?

>>77353738
How can movie change someone life?

>>77359270
The themes behind it.

>>77358905
The reason you've never been able to convince anyone else of your theories as to a higher, much less stable, story structure existing at all in BvS is because you've never really made compelling arguments for such things.

You'll only ever write as much as you feel is convincing, but since you're already convinced, that's no where near enough to convince even people who are the fence, much less people who've already dismissed BvS as a mass of watery ejaculate spun forth from the cock of a very stupid man.

Not to mention another reason you're having so much difficulty trying to convince people of your position is zack snyder himself. As trying to say there's some secret cohesive genius to BvS requires one to absolutely ignore positively everything about zack snyder.

>>77359245
If by that you mean I've taken what very little you've posted and shown how it falls apart almost instantly under any sort of articulation, then yes, I guess I am. Though it has been a while.

>>77359141
Im done playing your silly games.

Bvs was shit anyone who says otherwise is either a troll or worse a retard

>>77359538

This is the problem, you guys aren't open to reasoning. Its obvious the movie has political undertones, its obvious that Lex's plan involved releasing Doomsday and then gathering the Justice League to defeat it and come out as a savior, but you cant accept it. You just follow the "bvs is shit lmao" meme and are completely impervious to reasoning

My question is why do you come to bvs threads to embarrass yourself like this? What do you care?

It gave me a compelling Batman. That is pretty special.

>>77358660
It's not so much a 'what', but rather a why. You have to understand that DC takes much of its writing from mythology. Lex literally spells out about Promethean.

>What was Promethean's plan?
Take the fire (power) from Zeus and give it to mankind.
The thing about that is that Greek Gods represented balance in everything. The majority of the information we have nowadays have been distorted and rewritten. I will take a long shot and guess that you might even believe Lex's story that Prometheus dinddu nuffin wrong. What Prometheus actually did was to give mankind power without balance, without wisdom.

Lex represents unchecked power: the willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve a goal. His specific why is father abuse, but that isn't really all that important to the history, what matter is that he DOES it.

One more thing: Prometheus is linked to Hercules in Greek mythology. Hercules whose power was strength way beyond any human. Coincidence? I think not. Hercules is the archetype of the ideal man in Paideia (the pedagogical method used in Ancient Greece). His story was used as a role model to teach children how to behave and live a life respecting people's right to be born, live and die in a respectable manner. This is specially important to explain here because people complain that it's too symbolical for children. Protip: it's not. I am a teacher and my 13 years old students got most of it.

Moreover, Hercules was used as an example of how anyone can be godlike. Despite his absurd strength, none of Hercules's 12 labours was completed through sheer brute force, but rather with a strong character and as a result he gets to become a god after his death and serves as an example of how people should live. You can even see this in BvS where his death inspires both Wonder Woman and Batman to take a moral high road.


Sure, the Hercules-Clark paralels aren't perfect. For further reading, read "Paideia", by Viktor de Salis.

I too found suicide a completely reasonable option after watching BvS
Life changing

>>77359756
Negro, you were quite clearly convinced the movie would be great/brilliant/genius on march 19th, 2016 and everything you've generated since has been rationalizations.

If you have a position, state it. No one is going to follow your mental gymnastics routine.

>>77359934
That's nice.

its still underpants gnome level.

>>77360001
>its still underpants gnome level.
Not American here, anon. Can you use plain English for foreigners?

>>77359940
Two different guys here. One talking about Lex's plan, the other talking about the allegory you insist doesn't exist.

Are you even willing to acknowledge Bruce is clearly a stand-in for the post-911 West?

I'm sure you think you're picking this stuff apart, if that's of any consolation.

Negro.

>>77360069
>Are you even willing to acknowledge Bruce is clearly a stand-in for the post-911 West?

That requires ignoring absolutely everything about batman as a character and the west as an entity.

>>77360132
This is why people think you're a retard.

>>77360047
Oldish southpark joke
>step one: collect underpants
>step two: ???
>step three: profit
no one knows what step two is, but they know step three is profit.

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>>77354337
Fantastic. A real tour-de-france.

>>77360166
Negro, I'm not the one trying to characterize the west as a plucky underdog.

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>>77359940
>asks for a clear explanation
>gets one that is acceptable beyond question
>claims the oposition is doing mental gymnastics
>mfw
Not him, by the way.

>>77360171
Let's get this clear: you don't understand why they went miles to write it? IDK. Maybe because they care about models and things like this.

>>77359940

Not really, but lexs plan is all but spelled out and the political undertones ARE spelled out when batman quotes the 1% doctrine. I guess that according to you that was just random words put together by those """hacks"""" Snyder and Terrio, of course

The movie isnt great, but it is good. I won't ever defend the Martha moment, I think it was rushed and all aroubd poor resolution, and I wont ever defend Suicide Squad of course. But BvS and MoS have some of the best moments in all capeshit and are the most ambitious, boldest movies of the decade

>>77359756
>lex's plan is to release doomsday and assemble justice league and be hero!

>releases doomsday before hes even had contact with any metahuman other than superman

>by all evidence, all metahumans are hostile towards lex.

This theory falls apart instantly.

>>77360308
It is essentially random to have "regular dude with money fighting against massive abstract concepts" quote someone from the dubya administration.

>>77360132
>Bruce's intro plays out from his point of view as him rushing toward the destruction, standing in the midst of the crowd and witnessing the plane strike, then seeing the building fall.

>In the aftermath, he does the following:

>1) embraces torture, branding "undesirables," and turning a blind eye to their fates.

>2) lies about concerns of a WMD being brought into the country to justify his brutality

>3) justifies his "war" against Superman citing the potential threat he represents

>4) refers to Superman as "the alien with the power to burn it all down."

>5) Allows his obsessions and fears to blind him to reality and makes himself an unwitting pawn of another rich, well-connected billionaire who's heavily wired into the media, the military, and the government, swallows his appeals to paranoia and xenophobia hook, line, and sinker

>6) Literally fucking quotes Dick Cheney to prop up his rationale.

These are the things you insist are coincidence.

Hence >>77360166.

Negro.

>>77359538
it was great, anyone who says otherwise is a cuck and calls masculinity toxic

>>77360376
>has the intel on all of them
>LITERALLY ask the senator for government support to go forward with the metahuman project

Hahah so crazy right?

>>77360376
1) He literally invited Wonder Woman to his charity dinner.

2) His plan had already gone to shit at the point Doomsday hatched. That happened the instant both Clark and Bruce came out of their fight alive.

>>77360499
That's nice and all, but, it requires one to accept a narrative where the united states of america as an entity with a plan it is woefully underequipped to execute.

And that's just not going to happen for anyone. Other than you.

Negro.

>>77360997
Yeah, because just look how well equipped we were for dealing with the wars we've fought over the last decade. How well is that working out for us?

>>77360598
His plan (implying he ever had one) had gone to shit before he even got access to the kryptonian ship. Not to mention telepathic lois already knew lex was in the kryptonian ship. Thus everyone would know. Thus lex's attempt to pull metahumans together into a justice league (and make huge profits from the merchandising lol!) would've been predicated on the fact they would all have known doomsday was his doing.

>>77361090
What do you think happens to Lois in the scenario where either Clark or Bruce is dead? Are you stupid or just willfully obtuse?

What do you think was going to happen to Martha, for that matter?

>>77361076
So how many countries does batman invade, neutralize, and reform in the comics?

>>77360997

Literally Bush administration tbqh

>>77361151
What happens if your mother and father never meet?

You're also implying lois is ever in danger at any point in the movie. There isn't even a hint of that. Lex doesn't even seem aware she exists.

>>77361166

Superman in The Dark Knight Returns (same character)

>>77361166
That's the point, fucktard. Learn what an allegory is before you jump into these discussions with such smug overconfidence.

How many arms does Superman rip off bow-wielding vigilantes in the comis? How many wars does he fight for the U.S.?

Christ.

>>77361167
Only if you accept the narrative the purpose of the iraqi invasion was liberation.

In which case you might literally be retarded.

>>77361228
>Lex doesn't even seem aware she exists.

Yeah, I guess that's why he has men tailing her most of the movie.

>>77361248
>superman
>batman
>same character

this doesn't work on any level

Superman representing the US/west works very well. As that's basically the foundation of the character. TDKReturns being about the slow well meaning corruption of all three for well meaning reasons and needing to be stopped by people woefully under-equipped for the task (batman).

Trying to swap this is just silly.

>>77361324
So now we're into why the extended version was even worse than the theatrical.

So lex has men tailing lois the entire movie. Lois is all about investigating what really happened in africa. Has one of lex's bullets. Can link bullets to lexcorp. Hows she not dead?

You're just throwing bullshit into plotholes in desperate attempt to fill them. But plotholes have no bottom.

>>77361354
It can't be silly, because according to you, it doesn't even exist.

Or are you now willing to concede the possibility that it's both present and intentional?

>>77361261

The narrative was to liberate Irak yes, are you too young to remember or what

>>77361442
Kinda irrelevant if the script intends what the director doesn't understand.

>>77361458
Yes, that is the narrative they were trying to force. No one believed it.

>>77353738
are you guys memeing or this thing actually good?

>>77361440

Lex needs her to attract supermand attention; "you are really interested in lexcorps metals, arent you?" Or something; he knows all along

>>77361440
>Lex's men are there in Africa, arrange the meeting with the Warlord.

>KGBeast brushes past her in the subway.

>KGBeast and at least a handful of other guys are the "cleaning crew" at the Daily Planet.

I don't even need the Ultimate Cut for half of that.

Lois is alive for no other reason than a good time for her to have an "accident" hasn't yet presented itself. She'd make an excellent "tragic victim" of the Doomsday fight, though.

Of course, you'd need your mercs to pull that off. Unfortunately, Bruce just killed or crippled every last one of them. Seems to me that there's not much in the way of a plothole there.

>>77361581

Not "capeshit good" but yes, much better than critics and shills claim

>>77361581
It's not for everyone, but I personally love it.

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K I N O

>>77361641
Put it this way.

If lex actually isn't the bumbling spastic eisenberg portrayed him to be, all, and I do fucking mean all, lex would have had to do is have someone kill lois and make it look like batman did it.

The titular fight now takes place in the first 10 minutes and the rest of the movie is the knightmare.

>>77355775
epic troll xd

>>77361502
Nice dodge.

Don't answer it, though. All that does is make you look either A) stupid, B) dishonest, or C) a chickenshit.

Care to shoot for D) all of the above?

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>>77353738

Another "BvS was a good movie meme" thread

>>77356214
this is beyond cringe, how old are you?

>>77361849
>gets BTFO
>w-who cares its bad lol

Haha classic shill

>>77361780
All that does is guarantee Clark hauls Bruce in. Lex doesn't know(and can't know) that he'll kill as a means to do anything other than to save a life.

It also makes Superman a wee bit more sympathetic in the eyes of the public than showing up to kill Bruce with no apparent motive at all.

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>>77357669

> Good visuals and fight scenes

Kek

>>77361900
Old enough to not use "cringe" as you do, junior.

>>77362012

That could be hanging in the Uffizi walls compared to what marvel/fox shits out though

>>77362012
Why does that trigger you so bad, in a comic book movie, no less, the very place one should expect to see such things?

>>77359209
His plan was fine, the motivations behind it were completely lacking however. At no point is it ever explained or even hinted at why Lex would risk his entire life and likelihood just to bring a thought experiment to life. The only explanation is that he wanted to expose Superman as a fraud to protect the world... which is then completely refuted by the fact that he created Doomsday when that didn't work, thus proving to the world why it DOES need Superman.

The entire premise is stupid from the get go, and the movie only exists because WB panicked and tried to catch up to Marvel by throwing the trinity together before they'd earned it.

>>77362012
other anon
but this is one of the greatest fight scenes i have ever scene

>>77362012
>the eye zoom
ahahaHAAHAAHA

>>77362105
Dragon Ball Z type "fights"
- That stupid eye close up
- Glass windows explode like they are made of dinamite even Superman hits them.
Just you usual over the top cartoonish action by Snyder

>>77362177
how is this bad?

>>77362155
In learning about Doomsday, Lex now knows there is a better example of and for his motivation. Doomsday is inherently destructive, despised, deformed, and demonic while far more powerful than Superman. Lex no longer has to try to demonize Superman in order to get out his message that “power can be innocent” is a lie, when he can directly prove it with Doomsday. At this point, ensuring that the world experiences Doomsday is the endgame. Prior to the ticking clock presented by Darkseid, if Batman failed to kill Superman, Lex simply bides his time and moves on to his next scheme. He doesn’t need to reveal his hand to Superman or make Superman fight under duress, he can leave those details to Batman.

However, once Doomsday becomes the endgame, it puts a shorter clock on all of Lex’s endeavors and he has to keep Batman and Superman occupied to give Doomsday time to develop. Otherwise, one or both of the heroes respond to the activity at the crash site and blackouts and stop Lex from completing Doomsday. Lex kidnaps Martha and Lois to compel Superman to fight and to distract the heroes from his endgame: unleashing Doomsday.

Once Doomsday is released, Lex’s mission is essentially accomplished and he doesn’t really care what happens afterwards. Whether Doomsday kills him, whether he gets caught, whether he gets caged, etc. Once he initiated Doomsday he knew he was caught. The crash site would be surrounded, his helicopters wouldn’t be allowed into its airspace, and all he could do is commune and wait for the authorities to arrive and arrest him. Whatever Lex learned gave him the conviction that was fine with him. Until we learn more, Doomsday is a satisfactory expression of his motivation because it exposes what the ultimate power on the planet would be like.

>>77353738
Best movie of the year.

>>77354158
The guys who make the trailers usually only get a few clips to handle, without even seeing the whole movie.

>>77362264
Its stupid

>>77362264
>how is this bad?

No wonder you DCucks like shit tier movies. You have no fucking clue what's bad or good.
If you can't see what's laughable about that then you are mentally retarded.

>>77362155
First, he expected Clark to kill Bruce.

Second, he looked at a fight between Clark and Doomsday as a win/win. Either way, he's got an "alien menace" to use as leverage to pressure the government into helping him put the League together to deal with whichever of them survives.

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>>77361939

>>77361958
How did Lex know MARTHA would happen? How did Lex know that Doomsday would be defeated? Is Lex a seer or just a simpleton?

>>77361762
Thats impressive... still shit movie

>>77362264

It's not

>>77362337
>it's bad because i say so lel

Stay triggered

>>77362329
because?
>>77362337
so, you are gonna call me a retard and that's it?

>>77362401
That's the point. He *didn't* know Martha would happen. He expected there to be a death in that fight, and all his money was on that death being Bruce's.

>>77362401

It was a shit movie.

DCucks just trying to give substance and damage control to their awful movies.

>>77362098
>b-b-but marvel

>>77361817
We've done this so many times and it always ends in the same way. I poke holes and you get progressively pissier.

So, yea, back it up, try to make a claim, and we'll go from there.

>>77362468

Read this>>77362438

>>77362468
Yeah, don't make any effort to read the thread, dipshit.

>>77362105
>the visuals are great
>posts webm of really bad visuals
>who cares lol its a comic book movie!

STOP FEEDING THE DKEKS. LET THIS THREAD DIE

>>77359399
Keep fighting the good fight anon

>>77362279
Could you point to the specific moments in the movie that guide the audience toward this interpretation, and also the explanation as to why Lex would care to do all of this in the first place, even if he happened to believe it.

>>77362530
>make weak rationalization for bad writing
>lol that's stupid
>shill!

Was Batman V Superman simply too deep for modern audiences to understand?

>>77362509
No, you just get increasingly evasive when you know you can't refute it.

Let me be totally clear on that point:

You haven't refuted. You have never refuted any of it. You've never even been remotely close to refuting any of it, and the only person in this conversation that thinks you have is you, and you alone.

And every time you're backed into a corner, you just start refusing to engage and accusing other people of getting "pissy." You're half right, though - I may not be "pissy," but cowards have always pissed me off.

>>77362468
Well I know that, it's just fun to watch the mental gymnastics. I've already seen them argue that Lex both did and didn't want Batman to steal the kryptonite.

>>77362557
There's nothing bad about it. It literally looks exactly like something you'd expect to see in a comic book.

To you, that makes it bad, apparently. To me, it makes it awesome.

>>77362619
>prove that the writting is good bording great beyond reasonable doubt
>i-its weak lol

Stay triggered

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Is that why you're STILL afraid of Peter Greenaway that manages to do something with his symbolism?

>>77356779
Did you fuck her?

>>77362685
I don't like repeating myself as much as you do.

I also don't have any emotional investment in this.

You've spent months acting like you have some silver bullet argument for the genius of BvS and you've failed completely to deliver on any of it. You post pieces of what you consider to be your silver bullet argument, I point out why they don't work, then you double down and get upset. Eventually you stop posting anything that can be responded to on any level and disengage, all while projecting your pissiness on anyone foolish enough to respond to you.

So, seriously, calm down, make an argument. Support that argument. Give the reasons you find it compelling. You aren't preaching to a choir here, so no one is predisposed to agree with you. I'm not your mother, so I'm not going to just say "okay honey that's great" so you'll calm down enough to not make a mess while eating. This is your (only real) opportunity to express your position and have someone seriously consider it.

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>>77362793
>thinks he understands the symbolism in BvS
>only picked up the presence, not the meaning

It you "got it," prove it. Explain why Lex would get a halo.

>>77362755
>It literally looks exactly like something you'd expect to see in a comic book.

You've never read any comics though.

>>77362911
>he thinks zack snyder has the mental capacity for symbolism

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>>77362907
>Doesn't have emotional investment
>shows up in every thread
>resorts to evasions instead of admitting a single point. Ever.
>So butthurt that someone's smarter than him that he's devoted months to tearing down someone he'll never meet on an anonymous image board
>invests vast amounts of his time to discussing something he hates when others would be just as happy to discuss things they like

Yeah, you're the veritable soul of cool, detached discourse.

>>77362979
you're talking to someone that believes film is "entertainment". don't be rude to those with smaller minds.

>>77362907
I posted it. Another guy posted it. We supported it, defended it six ways to Sunday, pointed out the similarities to Bush era America, and you handwaved it.

Fucking. Handwaved. It.

To you, this is some, I don't know, triumph for you? You didn't refute it. You ignored it. Not only that, you demonstrated a complete failure to understand that the message is that we're not supposed to like what Bruce has become because it's a reflection of what *we* have become.

You barely seem to understand what an allegory is or even when someone points out that they placed that allegorical element is transplanted from Clark's depiction in DKR to Bruce in BvS, your only refutation is that it's "silly," that Batman doesn't make sense as a stand-in for America.

I guess flags are bad stand-ins for America, too. They're not strong. They can't even support their own weight.

>>77362979
DCucks must be mentally challenged if they are amazed by on-the-nose generic symbolism and think they are watching high art.

>>77362911
ha ha

>>77362949
40 years worth of Spider-Man, X-Men, the Incredible Hulk, the Fantastic Four, Power Man and Iron Fist, various and sundry other Marvel titles and miniseries, Batman, Superman, Aquaman, Teen Titans, Suicide Squad, Swamp-Thing, Constantine, Sandman, the list just goes on and on and on. And that doesn't even cover Dark Horse and other lesser-known companies.

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>>77362979
>>77363263
>>77363274
>>77363293

And not one attempt from one of you. Pretty much says it all.

>>77363270
Care to narrow it down? A lot of inane shit has been posted and handwaved for being ridiculous and inane.

>>77363480
Why are you posting your own posts again? Are you the same low IQ "superbro" from before?

>>77363072
That image you have of anyone who disagrees with you is a big part of why you're never going to have a meeting of minds with anyone.

>>77363618

In other words you couldn't refute them and said a few bad words hoping it will make them go away

>>77363618

>>77360499
>>77361076
>>77361167
>>77361258

And this was the principal "refutation:"
>>77361354

And when someone pointed out that it can't be silly if it's not even there, >>77361354 immediately commenced to playing rope-a-dope rather than conceding the similarities and what they imply, refusing to do anything that only *he* knows what "the director doesn't understand," as if that's even relevant when the director didn't even write the fucking script.

>>77363818
No... in other words if you want to discuss something, you kinda have to indicate what you discuss.

Unless you want me to just say, "well I totally did that thing at that time."

>>77363666
You wanted me to just pasta it out there? Would that have made you happier?

>>77363677
Not anyone. Just you.

>>77363884
>refusing to do anything that only *he* knows what "the director doesn't understand,"

correction:
refusing to do anything but insist that only "he" knows...etc.

>>77363884
There's a pretty big reason miller didn't have batman representing the US in TDKReturns. That reason has mostly to do with how huge a stretch that is. To the point it just doesn't work on any level.

You've used TDKReturns to support your argument that batman represents the US in BvS. We've talked about, more than once, how TDKReturns works because superman is, through and through, america the superpower, the character. With batman being, through and through, an underdog entity fighting forces far more powerful than he is. This is, unarguably, a part of TDKReturns.

In order to swap this, the US would have to stop being a superpower, superman would have to stop being a literal god, and batman would have to stop being an underdog.

So, even if goyer did want this as part of the script, even if snyder understood it, it doesn't matter. As it doesn't work on any level to swap superman and batman's roles in TDKReturns. Far too much contradicts it in our reality and the movie's reality (which the snyderverse operates under the pretense of representing). I'm of the opinion that anything that is contradicted is to be treated as if it isn't there at all.

>>77353891
Seconding

>>77364501
No, you don't have to swap that when you realize the "spirit" of America, the mindset, the "heart," if you will, is a completely separate entity than military might and geopolitical power.

Superman represents ideals that have absolutely nothing to do with physical strength, and that's the purpose he served in DKR - to represent what Miller saw as the compromised ideals of 70s-80s America.

This is where your insistence on one-to-one correlation is most telling. You insist that they must embody literally *every* aspect of America if they're going to represent *any* aspect of it,

It's my contention that it was a rather astute observation on the creative team's part to realize that given Batman's increasing popularity over the past few decades while Superman is seen as increasingly old-fashioned and boring, he's actually the hero that people now identify with more and see as more representative of themselves. His movies are more popular, his comics sell better, and by this point, his cultural saturation and impact are on par with what Superman once enjoyed.

That's what makes it effective, that it's so jarring to see a character that we think we know so well depicted in such an unquestionably negative light. It worked with Superman in DKR, and it's my opinion that it works even better here. I base this off the outrage of the fanboys. No one reacted a fraction this viscerally to Miller's out-of-character portrayal of Superman in DKR, which just serves to prove the point. It hit hard. It hit so hard, in fact, that there are people recoiling from it and refusing to look past their own preconceptions and bias to see what it's saying about modern America.

>>77359399
Snyder finished most of his high school classes early and spent most of his senior year just painting, working out, and reading. They talk about it here:

http://themidside.com/snyder-series-man-of-steel/

at about the 42 minute mark.
And its not a secret anon, BvS makes sense fine if you just put the slightest bit of thought into it.

>>77362416
nah its a great movie

>>77361762
not even memeing, but what exactly is the parallel? Is Doomsday the sword of Lex/Alexander in this case?


Kinda makes sense since Doomsday was able to break Wonder Woman's lasso, which ties into the gordian knot stuff.

>>77364939
Why would I put more thought into BvS than the people who made it?

>>77365025
>this terrible strawman to justify your own stupidity/lack of thinking

sad

>>77364877
>okay first, for this to work, you need to separate two inextricably linked concepts

>okay now you need to interpret superman the way hes presented in the comics, not the movie

>and if you don't do this, you're just one-to-one'ing and missing the point.

>>77365083
>I have no idea what a strawman is

>>77364877

Nice interpretation anon, I liked it

>>77365021
Doomsday killing Superman was Lex's cutting of the knot because he found a shortcut that was "outside of the box" and achieved the desired outcome

>>77365021
Yes, he's basically Lex's sword, and he uses him in an attempt to cut through the knot that he himself has tied. His problem-solver.

>And Lex is short for Alexander.

Absolute pottery of the highest kind.

>>77353738
sat down to watch this expecting an action flick

got a fine kino instead.

>>77365102
Good God, anon. What do "truth" and "justice" have to do with aircraft carriers and a nuclear arsenal? Are those inextricably linked for you, too?

Also, I'd like to remind you, the reason we even associate "the American way" with him was something that didn't creep in until the McCarthy era, the same era where we started making the Pledge of Allegiance compulsory in our schools.

You're picking at nits again.

>>77365231
If only any of that was actually in the movie.

>>77365408
>>77361762

Yeah, if only.

>>77365306

We call that the "Snyder Paradox"

>>77365102
Your reading comprehension really sucks.

>>77365389
>lol what do the means have to do with the ends

... its just getting sad at this point

>>77365859
Yes. What's sad is that you think you're "winning."

Check this out:

You don't even understand that Bruce being the "underdog" in DKR doesn't have anything to do with physical strength, either. It's a man holding onto his principles against the tidal force of those who'd rather he just let them go. That's because Superman represents the American *people*, not the American government. The government is represented by the same guy that represents it in BvS, only he's not hiding behind a Reagan hologram this time.

>>77366071
>being an underdog has nothing to do with the resources at your disposal

>>77356027
Not really.

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This one

>>77366071
So now that you've successfully undefined every defining characteristic of the moniker "underdog," now what?

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>>77366285
>>77366489

I refuse to believe you're so dull as to think that an underdog is exclusively a physical confrontation. Watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" sometime. It's a great example of a man surrounded by morally compromised opponents beating him down and trying to make him bend, Physical strength was every bit as important in that confrontation as it was in DkR. Again - metaphor.

Assuming you're >>77362907, you sure don't come across like someone emotionally detached. If you're the same guy who accuses me of getting "pissy" in these discussions, step back and take a look at your facile responses and admit (to yourself if no one else) that you've gone full-on passive-aggressive in your refusal to concede the most obvious of things about these comics, this movie, or even your own reasons for your obstinance.

Everything about what Bruce was representing in this film was presented. You failed to refute any of it, and now you're just snarking like the teenager I very strongly suspect that you are, because you can't handle being wrong. You can't even entertain the possibility. Instead, you vacillate back and forth between it not working because it's "silly," or it not even being there at all. while still failing to fully grasp the allegory present in Miller's original story. We haven't even talked about the Mutants, but we can't because you won't let us move beyond the entry-level components of what Miller wrote.

Watch how emotionally invested I am in continuing to talk to someone as immature as you're revealing yourself to be.

Have a great night, a great holiday, and keep hitting the books.

>>77367424
>you're think that an underdog is exclusively a physical confrontation.

indications to this effect: 0

I've argued before you're manufacturing things to support a narrative in BvS. Now you're doing it to anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation that it is brilliant.

>>77368348
Not him, but

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/underdog

You two should just fuck and get it over with.

>>77353738
You know, the movie isn't bad, but faggots pretending it's the best thing since 1933 and the rise of Hitler are kind of annoying.

That said, BvS Extended is at the very least a solid 7.5

>>77356305
Criteria are subjective, the master carpenter is judging by his set of criteria, but say if I decided I really hate fire I could choose to pick only tables that are fireproof, and thus all of the carpenters' picks suck since they're all made of goddamn wood.

>>77356658
>quote unquote "superbros"

Say there senpai, if you're using literal quotes, you kinda don't need the "quote unquote" part.

Just thought I'd pass that along in case you're interested in looking like less of a retard moving forward.

>>77353891
This

>>77368575

Extended cut doors fix..

-Lex flamboyant Twink , boooooyyyysss!
-Bad CGI troll Doomsday
-Forced Justice league stuff. Email with logos and YouTube trailers.
-Martha ,now we're bestie's
-Non impactful Superman death ,then 5 minutes later dirt rise "lol j/k" moment.

Extended cut was still horrible shit

>>77369604

***Extended cut DOESN'T fix

>>77356214
Anyone has that Superman gif from the image? Looks neat.

>>77369604
They aren't best friends

>>77362357
>muh critics

>>77369728
next movie is superfriends though

>>77355961
Patrician tier taste my nigga

>>77354264
kek