ITT: extremely convenient immersion ruining plot devices
YOU THINK YODA WAS SOMETHING LIVING FOR 900 YEARS? TRY LIVING A 1000+ YEARS. YEAH! YOU GO GIRL!
She was fine. Mysterious. I'm sure we'll learn more. Yeah, it felt a bit incomplete, as if some of her scenes were rewritten or left on cutting room floor, but hardly "immersion ruining," unless your brain works in a way like "omg cannot wait to share this w my /tv/ bros."
Pretty much any character that exists just to provide exposition is pointless when you think about it. Alec Baldwin's scene in Glengarry Glen Ross is technically pointless and in fact the character isn't in the original play.
Probably not as offended as they were by these things.
You sure you wana make a bold claim like that?
anon do we see the same picture, this isn't Jar jar.
>notice how chewy stays back in the falcon, even though it was working perfectly.
>that aggressive "where is that wookie"
Guys... Did chewy get raped??
>DUDE LETS SHOVE AS MUCH AS CGI SHIT INTO THIS FUCKING MOVIE. WE'LL LET THE UNDERPAID NERDS DO THE MOTION CAPTURE AND SHIT. WE'LL GET EU SPINOFFS AND MORE SHEKELS LOL LMAO
I fucking hate star wars. I said it. I can't take it anymore and I want to end my life
"I'm no Jedi, but I know the evil of capes."
>Not realizing she's an incredibly badly done copy of The Oracle
Just when you thought TFA couldn't get anymore derivative.
You mean the grandpa that turned out to be the grand master of the jedi and actually had a big story impact for the movie he was in? The one that had a hand in training the hero of the story?
The space grandma was a 1000 year old exposition machine, not that Yoda didn't have that role as well but he still had a more active role in the movie.
It was in the prequels
>YOU HAD A SPACE STATION THE SIZE OF A MOON THAT COULD BLOW UP PLANETS? WELL OURS IS AS BIG AS A PLANET AND CAN BLOW UP A SOLAR SYSTEM! BEAT THAT!
>DARTH MAUL HAD A 2 PRONGED LIGHTSABGER? O YA WELL KYLO REN HAS 3!!! WAT R U GUNNA DO NOW??
Would a wookie fight a defenseless old woman, older than Yoda, if she slowly started feeling up his furry legs? What if she offered him a drink first? What if han was in trouble and the only way she would help the duo is if she got to let off some steam on poor chewy?
Guys... Chewy was fucking raped
She should have been replaced by Lando, think about it, it would have made more sense if he had the lightsaber, he is Han's buddy, the "HAN SOLO!" scene at the cantina would have been a fucking amazing reveal
No way!! This is the new generation of star wars and we can't keep giving roles of power to men. This is a woman's galaxy and we need to show that with more female roles that impact the plot development!
>we are space chinks!
>listen to us be all chinky!
>hisa, mesa jarjar, spasa nigga!
>hi, I'm maz kanata, space-chink 2.0
First two are lucas being a mindless hack. third is JJ going back to that well for some reason.
Jar Jar had a silly Jamaican accent. Trade Federation ayylmaos had cheesy asian accents. I don't find it offensive, it's just really cheap and kinda ruins the immersion.
Imagine if Darth Vader in IV spoke like a Nazi caricature from a comedy sketch.
why do you give a crap what that nigger said or didn't say. form your own opinion
I don't see how that's any different than the empire sounding english, or the rebels sounding american. Accents exist. There's nothing cheap about using them. How silly would it be if they just invented some legit silly sounding made up accents? It would be worse.
>I'm sure we'll learn more
Yeah, how many times have I heard that one?
Star Wars movies are the epitome "underdeveloped" and "making it up as you go."
Well they made up languages for most of the aliens in the original trilogy (Chewie, Greedo, Ponda Baba, Jabba and his underlings, the Jawas, Nien Nunb...)
The only alien from the OT who spoke english was Ackbar I think.
The isn't isn't accents. the issue is absurd/ridiculous accents. Jarjar has an absurd/ridiculous caricature of a Jamaican accent. The prequel space-chinks have an absurd/ridicilous caricature of asian accents.
If the alderan scene had tarken walking on set with an absurd caricature of a british accent, against leia, who had the most absurd southern drawl imaginable, would you have been able to take that scene seriously? The answer is no. To the extent that no one would've even remembered the movie a month later.
this shit was way worse than OP's. Yoda dies before he can tell Luke what he so desperately wants to know, then Obi Wan just comes out and conveniently explains literally everything
Some chinese people sound like those aliens when they speak english. On the other hand Jar Jar doesn't even fucking sound Jamaican. They just both use broken english so there's similarities.
Half the alien languages were just African languages. And they actually did have the conversations, which means if you can speak whatever language that alien is speaking you can follow the dialogue perfectly.
Apparently it was really well received in the places in Africa they took the languages from, audiences went nuts for it. I guess it's nice to hear your own language being spoken in a big film.
Looks like costumes to me
Either way it still looks 10x better
It ruined my immersion. So did Wall-E8.
And the Stormtrooper comic relief.
REMEMBER, DONT STARE AT HER
DON'T ASK WHY YOU WILL SEE
Yes, she is a black oracle with elements of Minions.
Say it aloud and you notice it's aberrance.
While I find her to be a shit character and distracting from the story, I think lessening immersion in the film was one of her intended purposes. She's situated dead center in the film, and after all the shit that happened on Jakku and the Millennium Falcon the audience wants to take a breather and step back from the "serious" aspect of the movie for a little bit. This is distinct from comedic relief (which was mostly filled by Finn and BB-8) as this serves as more of a modern day version of the intermission, while still advancing the plot. Mazz's scene was a good time for audience members to leave the theater to get a snack or go piss. Even if they somehow take longer than ten minutes and the movie starts picking up again, the only thing they might have missed can be explained in a three word sentence by an audience member (Rey gets captured). If she hadn't of been fucking orange she would have fulfilled her purpose.
Probably because the movie already relied so much on nostalgia that I don't think you could take a kid to watch it as their first star wars.
say what you will, at least the prequels didn't fuck up by making what is essentially a kids/all ages movie unfriendly for the new generation to use as an entry point.
I agree, the design of Jar Jar's SPECIES was not bad by any metric of judgment. Jar Jar himself, however, was awful. He looked like a fucking semi retarded fumbling eight foot tall bunny rabbit in hobo clothes, so Maz wins in character design if we include character execution.
Yeah, but when you're busy trying to shoehorn in more nostalgia than is needed you have to cut out the organic nostalgic moments.
" It’s a general problem with the movie, it all plays out on rails so as to re-animate the first movie. Nothing happens organically. Instead of “The Force Awakens” it should have been “Episode VII: the same old hope.” If I had more pomo cred, there would be a point to be made here about everything being self-referential, and audiences caring more about familiarity (and reclaiming the first trilogy’s feel) than genuine drama." is a better way of putting it than I could.
>implying both the Oracle and Maz weren't just examples of the "Magical Negro" move trope
Honestly I don't think there was that much shoehorned nostalgia in this movie. The only things that really stood out to me were some of the scenes inside the Millennium Falcon, the "another Death Star" joke, and Rey's line about the Millennium Falcon being garbage. The last one was especially bad because it doesn't suit Rey's character at all. Even if she didn't know the ship belonged to Han Solo (which she should have because she was a huge history buff and fucking knew the long line of smugglers it passed between through theft), she should have realized it was something special when she went inside and saw all the tricked out shit Han Solo had installed in it decades earlier. She even commented about how the Falcon had been riced up by some previous owner, so it's obvious she was quite familiar with it.
Nah, just have them directly go to Leia or Leia meeting them up there and giving Rey the lightsaber. It makes much more sense for her to sense the force thing and giving the lightsaber.
That whole Maz scene was really pointless