ITT: extremely convenient immersion ruining plot devices

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YOU THINK YODA WAS SOMETHING LIVING FOR 900 YEARS? TRY LIVING A 1000+ YEARS. YEAH! YOU GO GIRL!

>>65149361

She was fine. Mysterious. I'm sure we'll learn more. Yeah, it felt a bit incomplete, as if some of her scenes were rewritten or left on cutting room floor, but hardly "immersion ruining," unless your brain works in a way like "omg cannot wait to share this w my /tv/ bros."

>>65149361
Probably the most awful character design in the history of Star Wars film canon

That CGI orange took me out the movie completely.

A puppet would have boosted the immersion. Max just looked like a visual game character

>>65149659
>Probably the most awful character design in the history of Star Wars film canon

It's the worst and most offensive character of all time in film.

>>65149659
Certainly is boring. It's just some midget grandma wearing SPACE GOGGLES! What the fuck is that even doing in Star Wars?

>>65149361
>I like that wookie

do you think she ever did anything inappropriate to Chewie?

were the chinamen offended by this thing?

>>65149361
Pretty much any character that exists just to provide exposition is pointless when you think about it. Alec Baldwin's scene in Glengarry Glen Ross is technically pointless and in fact the character isn't in the original play.

>>65149636

> I'm sure we'll learn more.

This is JJ Abrams we are talking about here. He always puts unexplainable plot holes for convenience

>>65149636
There were supposed to be scenes where she was helping fend off the First Order and she was supposed to appear at the Resistance base at the end.

I didn't mind it but she was the part that reminded me most of the prequels

>>65149636
>I'm sure we'll learn more

Kek. She's a blatant plot device. The only reason they'll bring her back is for terrible exposition before they kill her off.

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>>65149726
Probably not as offended as they were by these things.

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>>65149659
You sure you wana make a bold claim like that?

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>>65149659
anon do we see the same picture, this isn't Jar jar.

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>>65149722
>notice how chewy stays back in the falcon, even though it was working perfectly.
>that aggressive "where is that wookie"


Guys... Did chewy get raped??

>>65149361
>DUDE LETS SHOVE AS MUCH AS CGI SHIT INTO THIS FUCKING MOVIE. WE'LL LET THE UNDERPAID NERDS DO THE MOTION CAPTURE AND SHIT. WE'LL GET EU SPINOFFS AND MORE SHEKELS LOL LMAO
I fucking hate star wars. I said it. I can't take it anymore and I want to end my life

>>65149788
Were they actually offended?

>>65149361
Holy fucking shit why was ET in Star Wars?

>>65149788
>>65149788
Why would they be offended by that

White guilt SJW cucks getting offended for other ethnicities are the cancer crippling this society, kill yourself

>>65149816
Fuck me I keep forgetting how much I hate this iteration of the joker.

It looks like such dog shit.

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"I'm no Jedi, but I know the evil of capes."

>>65149636
>I'm sure we'll learn more
That won't make TFA a better movie.

>>65149636
>I'm sure we'll learn more
not this agian

>>65149828
To their credit I was expecting way more bad CGI.

>>65149719
Certainly is boring. It's just some midget grandpa talking BACKWARD! What the fuck is that even doing in Star Wars?

>>65149933
Not with that budget

>>65149816

If Chewie wasn't a wookie I could agree

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>>65149361

>Not realizing she's an incredibly badly done copy of The Oracle

Just when you thought TFA couldn't get anymore derivative.

>>65149854
ET is canon

>>65149962
You mean the grandpa that turned out to be the grand master of the jedi and actually had a big story impact for the movie he was in? The one that had a hand in training the hero of the story?


The space grandma was a 1000 year old exposition machine, not that Yoda didn't have that role as well but he still had a more active role in the movie.

>>65149866
As a milquetoast white guy, I wasn't offended, but if I were Chinese I would find it childish at the very least. Lucas is a retard.

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>>65149854
>>65149979
It was in the prequels

>>65149361
Why do normies defend this ugly CGI piece of shit?

>>65149595
>YOU HAD A SPACE STATION THE SIZE OF A MOON THAT COULD BLOW UP PLANETS? WELL OURS IS AS BIG AS A PLANET AND CAN BLOW UP A SOLAR SYSTEM! BEAT THAT!

>DARTH MAUL HAD A 2 PRONGED LIGHTSABGER? O YA WELL KYLO REN HAS 3!!! WAT R U GUNNA DO NOW??

>>65149636
They cut literally everything with maz that they could.

>>65149962
Yoda is a better character because he's a rude fucker who gets things wrong and lives in an ugly ass swamp.

>>65150037
>If I were chinese

You're not, stop putting yourself in their place and kill yourself instead

>>65149889
Edna warned us about capeshit. We should have listened.

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>>65149969
Would a wookie fight a defenseless old woman, older than Yoda, if she slowly started feeling up his furry legs? What if she offered him a drink first? What if han was in trouble and the only way she would help the duo is if she got to let off some steam on poor chewy?

Guys... Chewy was fucking raped

>>65150059
It's not made by Lucas so it's okay.

>>65149361
She should have been replaced by Lando, think about it, it would have made more sense if he had the lightsaber, he is Han's buddy, the "HAN SOLO!" scene at the cantina would have been a fucking amazing reveal

That "where's my boyfriend" line makes me cringe, especially because it's never brought up again. It was such a modern joke and made no sense out of context.

>>65150142
No way!! This is the new generation of star wars and we can't keep giving roles of power to men. This is a woman's galaxy and we need to show that with more female roles that impact the plot development!

>>65150142
It would've had even more sense if Leia had the saber and Maz and her cantina were written out completely.

>>65150142
holy shit

>>65149636
>as if some of her scenes were rewritten or left on cutting room floor

That's because Nyong'o had difficulty understanding the character.

>>65149805
Jar Jar at least isn't a fucking orange

believe it or not his character has a better design

>>65149788

I will NEVER understand what peoples problem with these guys was. Or Jar Jar. Watto I kind of understand what with the whole "greedy jew" thing.

>>65150142
>Wanting them to rape Lando's character too

Why did Leia even get rid of the lightsaber anyway, makes 0 sense

>>65150206
It's the poorly done Chinese accents I think. It's just childish on Lucas' part.

>>65150206
>we are space chinks!
>listen to us be all chinky!

>hisa, mesa jarjar, spasa nigga!

conversely
>hi, I'm maz kanata, space-chink 2.0

First two are lucas being a mindless hack. third is JJ going back to that well for some reason.

>>65149973

>not realizing both characters are just filling the "meeting the goddess" role.

>>65150314
Honestly I didn't even make the connection with Maz until this thread.

>>65150279
>>65150314

How funny would it be if those were just Chinese voice actors with thick accents? Is it still offensive then?

>>65150474
Its not offensive, its boring.

>>65149636
DUDE IT GETS EXPLAINED IN THE NEXT MOVIE LMAO

>>65149361
I have no idea what this is but it looks like Spike Lee lol

>>65150515
How is it boring wtf

Are you legit mentally deficient

>>65150474
They weren't. Silas Carson portrayed Gunray iirc (the same guy who did Ki-Adi Mundi).

>>65150206
Jar jar spoke like a plantation slave
> yessuh mastuh jedi suh meesa loves to be pickin da cotton

>>65150624
Because you know everything you need to know about the character in two seconds. To the point it didn't need to be there at all.

>>65150206
Jar Jar had a silly Jamaican accent. Trade Federation ayylmaos had cheesy asian accents. I don't find it offensive, it's just really cheap and kinda ruins the immersion.

Imagine if Darth Vader in IV spoke like a Nazi caricature from a comedy sketch.

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Any rule 34 yet?

>>65150680
and the black actor who played him didn't complain.

I just happen to have Luke's lightsaber. You want to know where I got it? Fuck you.

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>>65150762
why do you give a crap what that nigger said or didn't say. form your own opinion

Everything about TFA is immersion ruining, EVERYTHING.

>>65150714

I don't see how that's any different than the empire sounding english, or the rebels sounding american. Accents exist. There's nothing cheap about using them. How silly would it be if they just invented some legit silly sounding made up accents? It would be worse.

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>>65149636
>I'm sure we'll learn more

Yeah, how many times have I heard that one?

Also >>65150079

Star Wars movies are the epitome "underdeveloped" and "making it up as you go."

You can all complain all you want about the rest of the movie, but she's the only thing I really have a bone to pick with. Totally took me out of the movie.

>>65149973
"Meeting with the oracle" is a part of the Campbell's monomyth, it's an even older story.

>>65150924
Well they made up languages for most of the aliens in the original trilogy (Chewie, Greedo, Ponda Baba, Jabba and his underlings, the Jawas, Nien Nunb...)
The only alien from the OT who spoke english was Ackbar I think.

>>65149788
These guys look 10x better than that CGI abomination

>>65150924
The isn't isn't accents. the issue is absurd/ridiculous accents. Jarjar has an absurd/ridiculous caricature of a Jamaican accent. The prequel space-chinks have an absurd/ridicilous caricature of asian accents.

If the alderan scene had tarken walking on set with an absurd caricature of a british accent, against leia, who had the most absurd southern drawl imaginable, would you have been able to take that scene seriously? The answer is no. To the extent that no one would've even remembered the movie a month later.

>>65151039

Ya now that I think about it it's kinda lazy I guess. Still don't see the racism though.

>>65151041
...they are also CGI abominations.

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this shit was way worse than OP's. Yoda dies before he can tell Luke what he so desperately wants to know, then Obi Wan just comes out and conveniently explains literally everything

>>65150695
A different accent would change that? What the fuck

>>65151105
Possibly because you are the only person mentioning racism.

>>65151068

Some chinese people sound like those aliens when they speak english. On the other hand Jar Jar doesn't even fucking sound Jamaican. They just both use broken english so there's similarities.

>>65151140
>oh, they're space chinks
becomes
>what are their deals?
if you drop the space-chink accent.

>>65151147

You must be really new here.

>>65150946
Both her and Snoke for me. They looked awful.

And Phasma not doing much, I guess. I know some fanboy faggot will probably chime in with 'BUT BOBA FETT-'

>>65151159
way to attempt dodge the point to quibble over something utterly irrelevant.

>>65151173
But the trade federation doesn't parallel at all to China.

>>65151118
The whole "ALSO Leia is your sister" thing was a hot mess. It contributed nothing to the story.

>>65151233
>silk road

But still, quibbling over something irrelevant in desperate attempt to dodge the point.

>>65151213

And your point is that it broke your Immersion? Fair enough. Never felt that myself.

>>65151209
Why was Snoke even CGI? He's just a pale old man.

>>65151269
>this scene/character is bad because of x
>well I liked it

good for you.

>>65151259
I see the point, I just thought 'I can tell everything about this character because of the accent' was a really stupid comment.

If it helps, yes. The accents were weird as fuck.

>>65151039
Half the alien languages were just African languages. And they actually did have the conversations, which means if you can speak whatever language that alien is speaking you can follow the dialogue perfectly.

Apparently it was really well received in the places in Africa they took the languages from, audiences went nuts for it. I guess it's nice to hear your own language being spoken in a big film.

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>>65151113
Looks like costumes to me

Either way it still looks 10x better

A shit version of Yoda, just like literally everything else they copied was a shit version of the original.

>>65149595
Yoda is awesome and so is that other Yoda-like guy

>>65149973
>I don't know what the Hero's Journey is and how common this story beat is
Look it's fine to not like TFA, but at least try not to be retarded.

>>65150992

Moar liek, "Meeting with the orange." Amirite?

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>>65149636
It ruined my immersion. So did Wall-E8.

And Finn.

And Rey.

And the Stormtrooper comic relief.

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REMEMBER, DONT STARE AT HER

DON'T ASK WHY YOU WILL SEE

DON'T STARE

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>>65149973
Yes, she is a black oracle with elements of Minions.

Say it aloud and you notice it's aberrance.

>>65150142
>Luke lost the lightaber on Bespin
>guy that runs Bespin finds it

FUCKING HELL, why didn't they just fucking do this?!

>>65151239
It was pretty important in the ending of RotJ

Luke doesn't mind losing but as soon as Vader learns that he has a sister he goes sayian

>>65149361
While I find her to be a shit character and distracting from the story, I think lessening immersion in the film was one of her intended purposes. She's situated dead center in the film, and after all the shit that happened on Jakku and the Millennium Falcon the audience wants to take a breather and step back from the "serious" aspect of the movie for a little bit. This is distinct from comedic relief (which was mostly filled by Finn and BB-8) as this serves as more of a modern day version of the intermission, while still advancing the plot. Mazz's scene was a good time for audience members to leave the theater to get a snack or go piss. Even if they somehow take longer than ten minutes and the movie starts picking up again, the only thing they might have missed can be explained in a three word sentence by an audience member (Rey gets captured). If she hadn't of been fucking orange she would have fulfilled her purpose.

>>65151118
this

what was the fucking point of yoda's death scene if they just immediately follow it up with this?

>>65149595
To be fair in Star Wars there are tons of aliens and rich people who routinely live for centuries.

>>65152090
Probably because the movie already relied so much on nostalgia that I don't think you could take a kid to watch it as their first star wars.

say what you will, at least the prequels didn't fuck up by making what is essentially a kids/all ages movie unfriendly for the new generation to use as an entry point.

>>65150203
I agree, the design of Jar Jar's SPECIES was not bad by any metric of judgment. Jar Jar himself, however, was awful. He looked like a fucking semi retarded fumbling eight foot tall bunny rabbit in hobo clothes, so Maz wins in character design if we include character execution.

>>65152323
Yeah, but it wouldn't even be shoehorned nostalgia. It literally makes the most sense out of any possible scenario.

>>65152401
Yeah, but when you're busy trying to shoehorn in more nostalgia than is needed you have to cut out the organic nostalgic moments.

" It’s a general problem with the movie, it all plays out on rails so as to re-animate the first movie. Nothing happens organically. Instead of “The Force Awakens” it should have been “Episode VII: the same old hope.” If I had more pomo cred, there would be a point to be made here about everything being self-referential, and audiences caring more about familiarity (and reclaiming the first trilogy’s feel) than genuine drama." is a better way of putting it than I could.

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>>65150333
>>65149973
>implying both the Oracle and Maz weren't just examples of the "Magical Negro" move trope

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

>>65150062
Hey at least Starkiller served a purpose in terms of plot progression by royally fucking up the Republic's fleet and government.

>>65152381
>Maz wins

Nah

We all lose

>>65149636
IM SURE WE'LL LEARN MORE AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

>>65152401
>>65152503
Honestly I don't think there was that much shoehorned nostalgia in this movie. The only things that really stood out to me were some of the scenes inside the Millennium Falcon, the "another Death Star" joke, and Rey's line about the Millennium Falcon being garbage. The last one was especially bad because it doesn't suit Rey's character at all. Even if she didn't know the ship belonged to Han Solo (which she should have because she was a huge history buff and fucking knew the long line of smugglers it passed between through theft), she should have realized it was something special when she went inside and saw all the tricked out shit Han Solo had installed in it decades earlier. She even commented about how the Falcon had been riced up by some previous owner, so it's obvious she was quite familiar with it.

>>65150013
To be fair, that still sounds like the "learn more" thing.

>>65150142
Nah, just have them directly go to Leia or Leia meeting them up there and giving Rey the lightsaber. It makes much more sense for her to sense the force thing and giving the lightsaber.

That whole Maz scene was really pointless

WE WUZ ALIENS AND SHIT

>>65149636
>I'm sure we'll learn more

Yup right after you buy your next ticket, you braindead sheep butthead.

>>65153566
>stop liking what I don't like
so its autism?

>>65150219
She's senile and was spring cleaning

>>65149788
>tfw Asian friend called those guys Asians and thought it was funny

>>65150219
She hocked it for coke. Maz was her dealer.

>>65153566

>implying you didnt buy a ticket and won't continue to do so

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>>65154836
Not him but I didn't and probably won't