>IF YOU COULD SEE ONLY ONE OF THESE MOVIES IN THE THEATER, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
Seeing how they both open within 2 weeks of each other they will definitely be competing. Would you rather spend your money on Avatar 2 or Star Wars: Episode VIII?
I will always hold Avatar in a certain regard.
Let's ignore people's opinions on whether the movie is good or not. Cameron wanted to create his own world. A sci-fi world filled with alien life and landscapes of his own design. He wanted to present this world to audiences in 3D and developed new tech in order to deliver the best viewing experience possible.
Nobody thought this movie would be a success. It's sci-fi, it's not backed up by a successful franchise, or any franchise for that matter, and it delivered a strong hippie message. And it cost several hundred million dollars. The studio thought it would bomb hard, like they did with Titanic before it came out. Cameron kept going because he didn't do it for money or awards, but because he had a vision and a creative drive to show people this world. Avatar was at no point a soulless cashgrab but a work of passion. It was a super risky venture. On top of that the sci-fi elements in Avatar were thought out, well designed, and relatively realistic. And that is why I respect Cameron and Avatar.
TFA on the other hand was HERE IS STAR WARS GIB MONIES PLS!
ITT : delusional good goys who will hope star wars will ever be good again and will complain forever because their version of star wars that only exists in their head would be good unlike the last 4 films.
Admit it already, Avatar 2 has much more potential than Star Wars VIII.
>it's not backed up by a successful franchise, or any franchise for that matter
Now that I think about it it's even more impressive that Avatar was so fucking successful. It just came out of nowhere and made almost 3 billion dollars How? Fucking how?
>Disney's face when they realize they have to face based Jim
That can't be the sole reason. 3D has been done before and usually such gimmicks wear off very fast. Avatar had legs. Word of mouth carried that movie for months. I remember my mom telling me about a female colleague of hers. That colleague and her husband saw Avatar in the theater and my mom told me they were ecstatic. They loved the love story and the animals and the world and the action scenes but 3D wasn't mentioned. I think with that movie Cameron hit a nerve in a very primal and resonating way that just grabs people. I think it's the same with Titanic.
I'm serious. I didn't even like the first Avatar all that much, but you know Cameron is going to put something up on screen you haven't seen before. Even if it's fucking gimmicky shit like 60fps.
Star Wars is going to be a cheap looking sequel to a cheap looking rehash of Star Wars. I'll of course see it, and I didn't even hate The Force Awakens...but I mean...now that it's out of the way, I could definitely wait for the home release for the sequels. Avatar 2 will be a must see...
...But 3 and 4? No. Especially since they won't be offering anything "new" because they're being shot concurrently.
>Most adult males saw it and said; "eh? It was okay I guess"
>Most women and tweens saw it and went "OMG THE GREATEST FILM EVER MADE IN HISTORY!"
Add "Chinese People" to that for Avatar.
Star Wars is;
>Oh, that was nice. It was like those Star Wars movies I loved as a kid
plus younger millenials;
>HOLY SHIT. THAT ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN WAS FUCKING AWESOME!
The same way Titanic came out of nowhere with the expectation of being a Waterworld level disaster.
>lol, he's lost his fucking mind
>he's already had one water based flop
>WHAT THE FUCK? 3 HOURS? IS HE RETARDED?
>lol, it's a goofy fucking teen romance?!
Fox literally made him give his salary back because they were sure it was going to sink. They didn't even book enough cinemas for it.
Avatar was almost the same;
>lol performance capture
>lol massive budget
>he's finally lost his mind NOW, and this will surely flop
Still didn't book enough screens.
>tfw Avatar 2 marketing will just be "yea remember we came up with 3d? this one is better" and make 3 billion
>Fox literally made him give his salary back
Nah he gave that up voluntarily to prove to them that he's working on something he truly believes in. I think they also wanted him to give up his backend points but to that he said no but I'm not totally sure on that.
He was forced to give up his salary because he didn't meet budget and schedule goals. They didn't even give him a traditional back end. They gave him a "bonus" back end deal when the film became monstrous to keep Jim happy. Which is the least they could do.
>He was forced to give up his salary
That's illegal and there's no way it happened this way. In fact I remember an interview where he confirmed that he gave up his salary so the studio wouldn't hate him in the future and never work with him again.
>God I can't wait for this
Mel Viking movie has no chance of ever happening. Unless Leo sacks the fuck up and makes it happen. Maybe he will after The Revenent gets him an Oscar.
I also have really, really, really bad news for you about Battle Angel.
Cameron has decided to sit back and produce.
He's giving the directors chair to...pic related. I'm sorry.
How is this even a question? Avatar 2.
Maybe if we were talking about a re-release of the restored, original cut of Star Wars (1977), but we're not. We're talking about a film that Disney are going to shit out in just over a year flat directed by the guy who made fucking Looper of all things, vs a film by James 'God-Emperor' Cameron, that he's been working on full-time for a full six years at this point.
Avatar was the best modern cinemagoing experience I've had, and is still the only good example of stereoscopic 3D being used to its full potential. I'm completely confident Avatar 2 is going to be a similarly incredible trip, whereas Star Wars Episode VIII is just going to be another tawdry nostalgia cash-grab relying entirely on recycling the best parts of a 35-year-old trilogy to draw an audience.
James Cameron is filming parts of his sequel at the bottom of the Marianas Trench from a submarine he personally designed to beat the deep-sea diving record.
Rian Johnson is filming most of his against a greenscreen.
Which of those sounds more exciting to you?
>The executives did not want to start over, because it would mean the loss of their entire investment, but they also initially rejected Cameron's offer of forfeiting his share of the profits as an empty gesture; they felt that profits would be unlikely. Cameron explained forfeiting his share as complex. "...the short version is that the film cost proportionally much more than T2 and True Lies. Those films went up seven or eight percent from the initial budget. Titanic also had a large budget to begin with, but it went up a lot more," said Cameron. "As the producer and director, I take responsibility for the studio that's writing the checks, so I made it less painful for them. I did that on two different occasions. They didn't force me to do it; they were glad that I did."
Does that mean he gave up his salary twice or something?
"Sacrificing" your salary and being forced to give it up are to different things mate. He forfeited his salary voluntarily to prove himself to the studio. The studio never said something like "you are over budget your must give up your salary."
no no no no... oh god NOO NO NO
Avatar 2. I found the first one pretty boring, but I just don't like Star Wars. I've got more faith in James Cameron to pull something out of his hat and make something good, than I have in anyone making Star Wars. Least of all Abrams.
Isn't it too late for people to care about Avatar now? It's been a long time, and it isn't like it's that ingrained in culture like Star Wars, it was just the hot thing one year.
Star Wars. Avatar had an absolutely ridiculous amount of hype surrounding it, and was ultimately kind of okay-ish. A sequel to that pretty much has nowhere to go but down. At least going into TFA, you knew right from the earliest announcement you were in for one hell of a popcorn movie, and the same will be said of Episodes VIII and IX once they're in theaters.
>This post comes to you from Bizarro land.
TFA was dull as shit. Without the unprecedented good will and marketing hype, it had nothing else but Nostalgia B8 going for it.
That's why it flopped with new audiences like China.
Avatar's "hype" was; "how badly is this going to fail?"
>Avatar is so unoriginal Pocahontas Ferngully Dances with Smurf kekekekek
>still raving about getting another fucking Deathstar
Star Wars cucks are truly the bottom of the barrel when it comes to movie fans. No standards whatsoever. Enjoy your retarded pewpew space battles with spaceships flying around like fighter jets. Space opera for drooling, autistic manchildren.
People only watched TFA because it has Star Wars in its title. If it was just some sci-fi movie without any connection to SW people wouldn't be misled by their nostalgia goggles and realize how bad TFA really is. The novelty will wear off soon and we'll have another prequel situation.
Are you people retarded? Do you know anything about seeing a TRUE 3D movie for the first time? if they had a porno that sucked you off or fucked while you did it, wouldn't you see it?
I swear, you guys were underaged when it came out and couldn't think
>watching any Star Wars movie over Avatar 2 the sequel to the highest grossing movie of all time
>this is what butthurt haters actually believe.
It depends on if Avatar 2 would be something better than the first. First Avatar was all about seeing 3D at its finest. Useless on DVD though.
It would depend on if he did something amazing for the sequel. But I think not...
Most people forget that Cameron is amazing but he's fucked up a few times... Nostalgia saves quite a few of his movies, even worse than original Star Wars.
I love him but...
still, I don't think his worst movie ever was worse than the best of the Star Prequels.
Not quite, but I see your point. Maybe not the best comparison for a public cinematic experinece. What other point is there? Oculus Rift is out, we've done 4D (touch, smell). I can't think of anything that is novel and could be put with a movie easily.
In all honesty I'd be totally okay with Cameron just using Avatar 2 for extensive world- and lorebuilding. Make Pandora for sci-fi what Middle-earth is for fantasy. Give us grand landscapes and images, give us lots of new and cool aliens, give us awesome human tech and weapons. Just give us awesome sci-fi stuff and wrap it up in a presentable plot.
EP8 because it's an sequel to an actually memorable story.
meanwhile avatar was literally just 3D and having good visuals
Star Wars. Avatar was...alright, but I really don't have any great desire for more and can't really see much room for sequels. Star Wars, though, I've been a fan of for over twenty years and TFA has me excited to see where the franchise goes.
The only thing that could possibly interest me in Avatar 2 is if they bring back Colonel Coffeecup.
I literally could not give a single fuck about anything else in that shitty movie.
This. The moment we get a trailer Star Wars is done for. The trailer for Avatar 2 will give us glimpses of so many cool things people will fucking foam at their mouth. Awesome sci-fi tech like weapons and vehicles and gunships and perhaps spaceships, awesome new locations within the alien world, awesome new aliens that will probably be part of huge battles. Star Wars and its shitty pewpew space battles and laser sword ballet can fuck off.
Both are considered sci-fi (only Avatar rightfully so) and are full of action, aliens and exotic locations. Both will branch out into more epic story-telling and plotlines. So at this point they are already pretty similar. But... in all those categories Avatar is far better because Avatar has talent behind the camera.
Star Wars fans are a thing of the past. Those people are nostalgic and still have the shitty after taste of the sequels in their mouth. Younger people don't care about SW. They only see and hear how big SW used to be and just follow the hype. They are not invested in any of that. People under 20 when Avatar 2 comes out will probably go for that because they were kids when they saw Avatar for the first time. They probably know SW mostly from all the memes about how shitty the prequels are. No young fans mate. Just followers of something they don't understand or care about.
And you base this on fucking what? Obviously not anything at all, since you clearly have not had any contact with the outside world for a very long time.
Look, I don't really care how the movies do either way, but if you really believe this then you're either choosing to be ignorant or you're just making this up because you want the movie you like to do better and be more popular. And it's okay if you want that, and I don't have a problem with you wanting that, and I don't have a problem with Avatar. But shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you're talking about.
TFA failed to wow people that's a fact. People aren't invested in the SW universe any more. SW will slowly lose steam and when Avatar 2 arrives SW will look like a candle next to a nuke.
Not really. The marketing was very strong and people knew that the root of the prequels (Lucas) is not involved. They rekindled the nostalgia flame and they did a great job with that but the movie itself is nothing special. It's just another big budget popcorn movie. Obiously not as bad as the Transformers or Hobbit movies but the reasons people use to shit on Avatar can be used 1:1 to shit on TFA.
>Cameron confirmed that Quaritch will be back
>in 2019 the Terminator rights will revert back to Cameron
I can see it.
Star Wars. As much as it was a nostalgic let-down and greedy money grab, I want to see the rest of the story. I want to see it when it either crashes and burns to the ground, or ascends to a better place.
Avatar had a decent ending. Where else could you go with it to make a sequel? It'll be as much as a money-grab as TFA was.
As far as I'm concerned, TFA was the money grab and 2 hour long trailer for the rest of the trilogy of the sequels of star wars, and Avatar 2 will be the new money grab that year.
>Watch movie that is part of our cultural storytelling legacy that will be talked about decades after we die.
>Watch Avatar 2
Why are we even pretending this is a choice?
If Avatar isn't moving (which I'm pretty sure it will), they're going to get buttslammed, even if they do come out after.
>but the reasons people use to shit on Avatar can be used 1:1 to shit on TFA.
Comparing the complaints about TFA to Dances with Fern Gully. Keep on defending your trash movie dipshit.
You don't have to be a star wars fag to fucking hate Avatar. That shit suuuuuuuucks. If you get past the WHOA IT HAS SO MUCH DEPTH WHEN I WEAR UNCOMFORTABLE GOGGLES gimmick, it's Anti-American, Anti-white people schlock that pandered to ching chongs and ding dongs by making America the villain and the hero a race trader.