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Why is Asian cinema far surpassing that of the West now?

Is it because hollywood has their heads too far up their asses to realize big budget and cgi does not make a good film?

You be the judge.
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>>65136161
Asian cinema used to be superior than western cinema in the early-mid 2000s but not anymore.
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asian actors are literally cancer

>Hawww HEEE HOOOO HA chung ching chong
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>>65136200

Why not now? Don't tell me they are falling for the green screen meme....
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Korean cinema is basically Hollywood 2. It's all edgy fedora dog shit. It gives plebs the ability to say they've seen foreign films and allows them to keep the same type of enjoyment they get from Blockbusters.
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>>65136161
Wow OP u just saw mr vengeance too!??!
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>>65136161
Jackie Chan talk about this a lot. Hong Kong gave him as much time and money as he needed to make his films.

American productions are too rushed and too concerned with the bottom line to be any good.
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>>65136308

Yes. Was very a good. another movie to fuel my hatred for modern day western cinema.
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Its because they want mass appeal and don't care about cinema, it is a business after all.

Thank god for the Koreans.
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Confucianism is a hell of a drug
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Just watched Kikujiro today. I liked it a lot even though not much happened. It reminded me of Slice Of Life anime tbqh. it was cute

7/10
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There are a lot of garbage mainstream Asian movies too, you just don't notice them because only the good shit reaches western audiences
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>>65136272
lmao this
korean cinema is pleb shit
it's just like hollywood movies but it's foreign so highschool pseudo-cinephiles can gloat and claim they're watching superior movies than their peers
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>>65136250
They have gone full Hollywood.Most of their great movies came in between 90s & mid 2000s(excluding Japan).
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>>65136200
Hong Kong cinema died around the mid 2000s. Kung fu Hustle briefly revitalized it, along with Infernal Affairs and so on, but sadly, it's not the international affair it once was.
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Only Yesterday is goat ghibli film
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I've been watching korean films at my local cinema recently and they're on a whole other level. I go back to western movies and it's like I'm watching sesame street
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>>65136422

I like korean cinema because of the focus on dark police thrillers. I also like how fucking violent koreans are. It seems like the go-to response for everything is to kick a nigger in the solar plexus.
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More films like Mr. Vengenace?

>minimalist score
>focused on popping colors, attention to detail
>precise film composting

It's very Kubrick-esque. But unique in its own way.

10/10 film. Western critics are fucking retarded and choke dick on Tarantino's shit. Can't believe they rated this how they did.
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>>65136493
stay on /b/ or watch good korean movies instead, kid

Poetry
Crossroads of Youth
Tale of Cinema / Night and Day
Timeless Bottomless Bad Movie
Address Unknown
Peppermint Candy
3-Iron
Strokes of Fire
Oasis
Secret Sunshine
Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East?
Breathless (Yang Ik-Joon)
Take Care of My Cat
Bedevilled
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>>65136161
>Now
In the 50's and early 2000's. Mr. Vengeance came out 14 years ago.
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>>65136433
It's the same case with S. Korean cinema.After their economic boom,they unleashed most of their creativity in 90s & 2000s.
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>>65136433
>Infernal Affairs

This movie's title will never stop triggering my autism because it sounds like it should be In(t)ernal Afairs
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I must admit korean cop dramas are good
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The only post-1960 Asian filmmakers with an iota of artistic merit are Kitano, Tsukamoto, Kim Ki-Duk and the 1980s films of the Fifth Generation.

Mentioning Koreeda, Kiyoshi Kurosawa, Lee or any Hong Kong filmmaker just demonstrates your status as a pleb.
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>>65136528

I'm sorry my usage of the word cinema triggered you. I meant to say flicks.
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>>65136536
There are some phenomenal works coming out of Asia, but there are no modern day Kar Wai Wongs, Suzukis etc. Maybe Sion Siono and Boon Jong Ho (sp?), but you can count them on your fingers.

>>65136589
This got me too, I kept trying to find a copy, but only got Richard Gere in some bullshit 90s drama.

>>65136614
>Trip faggot calling others plebs

lmao
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>>65136161
>Why is Asian cinema far surpassing that of the West now?
don't know about that
>Is it because hollywood has their heads too far up their asses to realize big budget and cgi does not make a good film?
very true
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How can gooks express so much emotion with so little dialogue or exposition?

Oh wait. IT'S CALLED SERGIO LEONE.
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>>65136528
Good list. Bedevilled seems out of place though.

Is Crossroads of Youth really that good? I've only ever seen you and some other guy who was probably you mention it. Everything else I've seen or intend to see.
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Name a better scene.
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>>65136614
>Kitano, Tsukamoto, Kim Ki-Duk
Not even HHH, Edward Yang or Tsai Ming-liang.

I am raughing. Kim Ki-duk makes a lot of terrible movies.
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Asian actors overact more than a 1000 Leo's put together
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>>65136645
What kino is that?
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>>65136845

Sympathy for Mr. Vengenace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VKDUOB3QGY
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>>65136422
>>65136272
this

Jap cinema >>>> gook shit

>koreaboo compares Memories of Murder to Face of Another
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>>65137021

to be entirely fair, Memories of Murder is a fantastic film
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>>65137021
I hope you aren't implying Face of Another is the best thing to come out of Japan.
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>>65136272
Koreans make fucking dope action movies though
The Good, The Bad, The Weird is one of the best action movies I've seen
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>>65137107
not him, but i'm just getting into jap cinema. I've watched all of kitano, can you recommend me a few?
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jew social engineering to dumb down populace

>chinese cartoons have deep themes of existentialism, the human condition, religion and society
>the average hollywood adult movie is holocause lgbt oscarbait or capeshit

kek
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>>65137204
just watch kurosawa and other essentials from the 40's, 50's and 60's

modern japanese cinema is complete dogshit
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>>65136161
it's not at all
in fact because of that whenever a good movie does come out it seems like a bigger deal to you
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>>65136418

Kitano is a fucking amazing film director.

A Scene At Sea is a masterpiece.

He's the cinematic equivalent of Hemingway in my opinion. He strips the medium of the excess and is able to make his stories compelling despite their apparent simplicity.
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>>65137427
Kitano can be excessive at times
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How do asians even express emotion
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>>65137427
He certainly loves his ocean and driving scenes from what i've seen.

I love his work
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>>65137154
this, what other korean action movies are there?
Thieves has its moments
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>>65137204
Everybody can enjoy Lady Snowblood, Zatoichi & the Lone Wold & Cub series.

Here's some good stuff, listed by how accessible I think they are.
Nakashima (Confessions, Memories of Matsuko)
Satoshi Kon (Tokyo Godfathers, Millennium Actress)
Sion Sono (Love Exposure, Why Don’t You Play in Hell?)
Yoji Yamada (Twilight Samurai, The Hidden Blade)
Kiyoshi Kurosawa (Tokyo Sonata, Pulse)
Akira Kurosawa (Seven Samurai, High and Low)
Kobayashi (Harakiri, Samurai Rebellion)
Kon Ichikawa (Fires on the Plain, Burmese Harp)
Imamura (Black Rain, Vengeance is Mine)
Mizoguchi (Sansho the Bailiff, Ugetsu)
Koreeda (Air Doll, Nobody Knows)
Teshigahara (Woman in the Dunes, Pitfall)
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Korean cinema is a meme, Japanese cinema has been terrible for like 20 years, and Hong Kong puts out like 1-2 good movie a year because only about 100 people live there.
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>>65137685
appreciate the time you took to make the list, thanks mate.
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China (including Taiwan and Hong Kong) > Korea > Japan
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>>65136638
>likes DUDE SO QUIRKY Reddit king express
>insults tripfriends in a desperate attempt to fit in and hide his shit taste
Nice try redditcuck
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>Modern Day Japanese Cinema
Literally worse than Bollywood.
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>>65137685
What a bizarre list.
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>>65136589
It's an infentional pun
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>>65137698
>I watched some manga adaptations so obviously all modern Japanese movies are bad
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>>65136375
For some reason I didn't really enjoy New World the first time I watched it, but I rewatched a few months later and thought it was great.
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>>65137824
How so? It's just a basic outline.
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>>65137483

You're right, but it think it would be fair to can there are always exceptions to the rule. There are definitely films where he takes the more traditional approach to narratives.
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>>65137903
It's not. It's a weird mix of contemporary (mostly mediocre) directors with some classic (good) directors. You didn't even mention Ozu.
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>>65137866
you just know
you just fucking know this kid probably thought like father like son was good
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Who here /lovehongkongflicks/? Shitty hong kong action movies are the best, I could watch Chow flicks all day
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>>65137866
Are you trying to invalidate my opinion by projecting a false persona onto me, rather than put forth an argument for quality Japanese film made in the last decade?
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>>65137945
He's just getting into it. It's not the time for Ozu or Terayama or plenty of other directors.
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>>65137767
What good Chinese, excluding Hing Kong, movies are there?
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>>65137767
>(including Taiwan and Hong Kong)
Every time. Nobody cares about your artless country, China.
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>>65138029
Ozu is very entry level.
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>>65137961
sammo hung can do no wrong in my eyes. i've enjoyed almost everything he's been in.
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>>65136161
>now
That movie is literally 14 years old. Asian movies have been absolute shit since like 2005ish.
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>>65138083
If somebody was getting into Japanese cinema with Kitano and you told them to go watch 5 Ozu films they probably wouldn't be happy about it.
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>>65137945

>Anything made 50 years ago is amazing, everything made since is only average.

Ok gramps, thanks for posting.
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>>65138041
Jia Zhangke, Wang Bing, Zhang Yimou.
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>>65137966
not him but japan has a lot of great films so I assumed the same thing as him when I read those posts. the only really shit movies they have ARE manga adaptations and horror. Most of their dramas are 8/10 and the shit gets so real it's hard for me to watch at times.
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>>65136161
Us is producing significantly more mid-or-low-budget "art" and good films. The fact that Koreans make a few good films every few years doesn't mean they're "far surpassing us."

Also, survivor bias. We're only seeing the best of the best movies they produce that manage to make purchase in western markets. They produce 10x more garbage than we'll ever know.
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>>65138136
I mildly enjoyed Kitano and I absolutely fucking loved (and hated) Nobody Knows. Any suggestions?
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>>65138287
Watch Air Doll and jack it to Bae Doona instead of paying attention.
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>>65138041
Lots. Fucking hell check the archives u lazy cunt.
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bump?
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>>65136495

Have you watched any Kim Ki-duk films?
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>>65137685
>Sion Sono (Love Exposure, Why Don’t You Play in Hell?)
>not Cold Fish or Guilty of Romance
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>>65139790
Silly Sono > Serious Sono
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>>65140108
He's a hit or miss regardless of genre.
Himizu and Love Exposure are my favorites from him though, I really love those films.
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>>65140391
All of his serious movies are misses, in my opinion.
You should check out the Himizu manga if you haven't already.
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>>65140584
>You should check out the Himizu manga
I don't know why the fuck I forgot about it, thanks for reminding me.
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Anyone watched the kirishima thing?

opinions?
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One of the best film i have ever seen
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>>65136161

it did for a little why (like 5 years) but that hasn't been true for like 10 years.
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>>65137154

I hope you're joking. It was terrible. If you want a GOOD western with a taste of east to it then you need to look up some "red westerns" of the Soviet era.

White Sun of the Desert is a good start
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>>65141367

>my foreign films aren't fedora but yours are!

yeah that doesn't really work bruh
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>>65141225
whats wrong with it being strange and fun, the village shootout and desert chase were great
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>>65141515

There's nothing really interesting about it. It's not a "Korean Western" it's just a Korean movie ripping off of old Spaghetti westerns. It's also too long, and drags out, the characters are forgettable, it's cartoony but is too afraid to embrace that fact because it still wants to taken somewhat serious. They should have just gone full Stephen Chow with it and made it an all out absurdist comedy.
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>>65141612
ill agree it is a bit on the long side
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>>65136161
ASIAN CINEMA ON THE WHOLE IS MELODRAMATIC GARBAGE

KOREAN REVENGE CINEMA IS SO 2002
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Too expensive to release movies into cinemas in America, so its restricted to people with at least 10 million dollars to gamble in a movie and the right connections to make it successful
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>>65140391
Love Exposure was so batshit it was good.

Surprised Koji Wakamatsu hasnt had a mention..dat 7o's eiga man
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>>65136161

>Now.

It's not.

Korea dominated the 2000's.

The 2010's hasn't got a clear dominating country yet. Korea and Hong Kong and China are just chugging along now.
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>>65136433

>Mid 2000's

Even that's generous. It was dead in the mid to late 90's when Hollywood started nabbing their directors.

I'm old enough to remember when high schoolers actually got excited about seeing a "new" John Woo or Jackie Chan film.

I don't think any kids now get really pumped about, for instance, Johnny To's Drug War.
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>>65142064
it is generous, but I was thinking about Shaolin Soccer and Kung Fu Hustle which were huge. A number of Hong Kong films were shown internationally during this time. Now, hardly ever.
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>>65142133

Stephen Chow was it though, really. Stuff like Infernal Affairs or Johnny To films played well to fans of the genre/country, but it wasn't like the semi-mainstream success they had in the early 90's.

I watched Stephen Chow's new film the other day. Highest grossing Chinese film ever.

It was pretty bad t b q h
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>>65136161

how does mr vengeance compare to old boy? loved oldboy but havent seen mr v
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Because they dare to make movies that are more philosophical in nature, and not just either action or some kind of hip politically correct minority issue. A good example is Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring. It's beautiful in its simplicity and calm, and philosophical without being pretentious.
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>>65142343
you blew your load prematurely. it's called the vengeance trilogy. old boy is the best of the three, the other two are good tho.
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>>65138242
this

2010s has actually been a good decade for American cinema so far, better than the 2000s
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Guys, wake me up when Hong Kong doesn't make retarded films with terrible actors/actresses that are based on looks than their acting skills.

Also, most of their movies are sex appeal for cheap money gains... it really is a shame. You can literally call Hong Kong cinema the "Whore of Cinema" because of how much shit they pump out.

I guess its just that all the old and good actors/actresses are gone in HK... tell me, are there any more good Hong Kong movies that I have missed? Anything with poor CG is an instant 0/10...

Here is the movie I've recently watched and rather enjoyed: Infernal Affairs.
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>>65142870
think about that for a second: Copycat of Infernal Affairs won Oscar.
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