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>George Clooney
>Disney
>Brad Bird
>Huge budget
>Flop

What happened?
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people are afraid of ayn rand and the power of her ideals
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Clooney is yesteryear's meme actor and only reddit gives a shit about Brad Bird. His last movie was a big hit but that was only because of the brand power of mission impossible.
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>Brad Bird was sought out as the first choice for the director's job of Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015). Bird respectfully declined the offer in order to do this film.
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>>65127460
probably marketing. i didn't even know this movie existed until last month
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>>65127613

Brad is now on suicide watch.
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>>65127460
>boring marketing
>film didn't appeal enough to kids or adults, tried both and failed
>it wasn't that good
>bad word of mouth from plebs too stupid to understand the ways in which it was good
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>>65127613
>>65127648

He can still direct one of the future Star Wars movies, right? right?
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Someone shop JUST hair on Cloonery

He deserves it after his string of flops
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>>65127739
Well he's a talentless hack so they'll probably give him one eventually. All of the other talentless hacks are getting star wars movies.
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>>65127739

The JUST Wars would be better suited for him.
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>>65127460
They didn't market it properly.
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>>65127763
>string of flops
You mean Tomorrowland and Monuments Men? Fuck off, kid. Right before those I did Gravity.
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>>65127801
Brad Bird will be fine.
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disney still trying to peddle their trademark all inclusive family friendly -discount tickets if you buy now- message of love and understanding. its disingenuous and no one wants to sit and be beaten over the head with it for 2 hours.
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>>65127460
>George Clooney
shit actor
>Disney
shit studio
>Brad Bird
hack
>Huge budget
>implying it meant something
>Flop
predicted
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>>65127884

>15 (Fifteen) years

Not saying it's going to flop, but he really could have avoided Tomorrowland by starting sooner rather than later on The Incredibles.
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>>65127739
Hope not, he's better than that
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Disney can never make a successful live-action movie that isn't Marvel or Star Wars
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>>65128268
>Hope not, he's better than that
Yes, as proven by great kino such as Tomorrowland, Mission Impossible 84, a capeshit cartoon and the reddit feels nostalgia flick.
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>>65128261
Maybe Tomorrowland was part of his contract before he could do The Incredibles 2?
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You're forgetting the best part of the movie, op
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>>65128311
Yet PotC has been a big hit since the first one.
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>>65128317
Nice meme, but you're right, Iron Giant, Ratatouille and The Incredibles are better movies than all the Star Wars franchise
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>>65127460
>George Clooney
>Disney
>Brad Bird
There's your problem
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>>65128417
>Nice meme,
Except the meme is that Brad is good. He is one of the most reddit approved directors working today which is why I despise him with my entire being.
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>>65128473
>I despise a good director because reddit likes him

how edgy
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>>65128349
that was 10 years ago gramps
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>>65128473
>I can't appreciate a good director because the reddit meme

I didn't know someone could be this autistic
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>>65127460
George Clooney isn't a drawcard for kids, teenagers or young adults, the intended audience.
Disney didn't market it properly.
It was nowhere near Bird's best work.
The budget was way too high, especially for an original IP with no established audience, it was doomed to underperform
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They had no idea how to market it. There is stuff in there that is like Edgar Wright for kids, great hilarious action with a fun sci fi story running through it.

The critics all hate Lindelof and decided everything bad about the movie had him to blame for it. Seriously tho I think the only problem with this movie's story is that Clooney is in love with a child for the last hour and it is very hard to see it another way.

Also, during May 2015 everyone was losing their MINDS over Fury Road, which probably stole this movie's thunder and (accounting for parents) also some of its audience.
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>>65129056
>Fury Road

Or, you know, that other big movie.
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>>65127460
They canceled Tron sequel because of this SJW turd that bombed.

100% mad. Brad Bird can fly the fuck off
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>>65129153
San Andreas is unironically the best Movie on that list.
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>>65127460
One of very few movies I've walked out on. It was unbelievably boring.
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>>65129153

jesus christ that film was THAT forgettable huh.
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>>65129218

I can see how you might be many things in this movie, but BORED? That's unbelievable.

Also do people really walk out of movies? I will sit thru the entire thing no matter what because dammit I paid modern movie ticket prices. You can't really have an opinion on a movie you've only half seen, too.
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>>65127460
>What happened?
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>>65127829
terrific actress
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>>65129574
tho terrible terrible accent. Really threw me off, why did they make her do it if it was that bad? Unfair cause the rest of her performance was pretty amazing.
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>>65129574
Very talented
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literally no explanation is made about the movie until the last 20 minutes then it's some cuck we are all the world bullshit
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>>65129520

I swear Lindelof is just really unfortunate when it comes to the critical success rate of the movies he's been involved with and their end results rather than just a plain bad writer. The things he actually completely wrote like certain episodes of Lost prove that. Most of his movie credits are co-writer roles, or rewrites for movies with 'visionary' directors like Ridley Scott who have a far larger say in the story of Prometheus than Lindelof, so it's impossible to point to which parts of the script he 'fucked up'
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I thought it was good to be honest. I liked that the message was a downer, the relationships were strange and the action was quite stylised (thanks to robots). I can completely see why it tanked. Aspects of it are far too mature for younger audiences while its setting and initial optimism seems too childish for adults.
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>>65129745
Tomorrowland and LOST both had terribly handled mythologies and unsatisfying endings.
and Bird is a great director, so I really want to blame Lindy
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I literally couldn't believe the plot between Clooney and the robot girl
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>>65127829
>>65128338
>>65129574
>>65129696
>>65129824
> tfw no qt daughter to spoil
;_;
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>>65129782

>Aspects of it are far too mature for younger audiences

Do tell.
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>>65129859
"""""""spoil"""""""
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>>65129859
why are squinty smiles so cute?
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>what happened
>"damon lindelof" isn't the first reply.
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>>65129887
Not like that you pervo!
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>>65128681

>almost no damage in the car
>zero damage in the robot

wut
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>>65129056

Lindelof is a fucking hack and deserve any hate he gets, the fact that he is a screenwriter makes me lose faith in this shitty industry
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I liked this movie a lot more than I thought I was going to. It was like a throwback to that era of live action Disney movies
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>>65129745
>>65129056
Hey look, its the lindelof internet defense force.

composed entirely of damon lindelof.
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>>65129745
Except there was a completely competent draft of Prometheus by Jon Spaihts before Lindelof came on board and fucked everything up with his overly ambiguous bullshit. Lost was already a jumbled mess that clearly had no end goal in sight, but he surely didn't improve things when he took over. He worked on Tomorrowland with Bird since the film's inception, so a lot of the blame can rest squarely on his shoulders. He almost ruined the Star Trek rebooted franchise, too. And let's not forget we won't be getting anymore Tron movies because of this hack.

Lindelof should be blacklisted.
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>>65129745
>It keeps happening
I told you bro.
I told you about Lindelof.
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I really liked this movie and did not understand what anyone didn't like about it.

Plus it had the cockroach guy from Monsters Vs. Aliens.
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>>65130075
can't blacklist jews bro. Holocaust.
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>>65130075
>Lost was already a jumbled mess that clearly had no end goal in sight
well it was purgatory then fans guessed it by the end of season 1
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>>65127512
people who follow ayn rand are mental patients and we don't talk about them
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>>65130075
i hate Lindelof but it was Ridley Scott who asked him to changed the script, Scott didn't want to make a Alien Prequel at all.
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The movie wasn't bad...it's box office performance doesn't really have a bearing on the film's quality. I agree with most about it being poorly marketed...but I didn't hate it.

Then again I'm not a shitposting cringelord who thinks every film should be Citizen fucking Cane or Transformers.
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>>65130330
Citizen Cane
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>>65127512
As usual, first reply is always right.
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>>65130133
>called tomorrowland
>most of movie is not in tomorrowland
>robots want to kill people for literal reasons
>house is evil for literal reasons
>the concept of the future predicting device actually creating futures based upon the expectations of the people surrounding it, then broadcasting that future to others was kinda dumped so the movie could end with a huge CGI explosion

probably more, never want to see it again
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>>65127460
Shit lead actress.
Britt Robertson is fucking disgusting in this role.
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thanks for killing tron you piece of shit
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>>65127512
Will we ever get a good Ayn Rand movie? I fucking loved Atlas Shrugged and Objectivism is god tier ideology, but the movie of Atlas Shrugged sucked.
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>>65130835
I liked how she was playing a 30+ year old high school student.
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I saw the previews. It just didn't look interesting to me.
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>>65127613
>denying directing fucking Star Wars
Why?
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>>65130957
Uh The Fountainhead (1949)??!
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>>65127573
>Ratatouille
>the Incredibles
>Up
>The Motherfucking Iron Giant
do you even know who Brad Bird is?

it's funny though, because as i typed those I realized that it sucked dick because it wasn't animated.
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>>65131270
ghost protocol was pretty good
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>>65131242
something about always wanting to make this film
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I dunno, I liked it.
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I hope to see her in more roles.
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>>65131385
I'd like to see more of her
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>>65131453
Me too
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>>65131270
>do you even know who Brad Bird is?
Reddit's homeboy. And he didn't even make Up. I can see how you'd make that mistake though since Up is also fucking garbage.
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>let's start the movie with a useless framing device that barely matters
>then give a flashback that wipes 85% of the mystery out of the story for a useless action scene
>then the standard Disney Protagonist Origin

It's seriously like half an hour before the movie actually starts. I have no idea why Lindelof keeps getting hired to make pure garbage.

I guess it's not all on him this time, considering the stary feels like Brad Bird played Bioshock and thought Rapture was awesome and Andrew Ryan was a pretty cool guy.
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>>65127460
it just wasnt that good

the acting was alright but the dialogue was boring

it failed at world building to almost any extent, felt like we were dropped in the middle of a tv series that didnt bother to air the first ten episodes

the premise itself was weak some bullshit thought up quickly to try to sell to the special snowflake teens and preteens


the third act dropped quality (from a already low point) of both action, characterization, and plot. and really felt like a fmv cutscene to a shitty game

hugh laurie is tragically underused
dues ex machina time shifts out o f no where to try and creat suspense in a laughably bad way
dont actually get ot see tomorrow land except in a murderous hologram, a couple of quick flashbacks, and some broken down corridors

oh we are building a new tomorrowland with the best and brightest of our society
come on in urban graffiti artist, and you random person playing guitar on the street
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>>65131747
>only Clooney is developed
>only Clooney has an arc
>Clooney is the hero
>Clooney set up to be protag in opening scene
>movie focuses on Mary Sue Fixit until act 2, Clooney reduced to side character
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>Build your initial viral marketing campaign around the idea of Walt Disney actually being a member of Plus Ultra and all the story being pieced together from the contents of a box of weird sci-fi shit supposedly found in the archives
>Delete pretty much everything related to this from the movie except for the Small World gag because "Lol, mentioning Walt DIsney was a part of this in a Disney movie is too Disney"

Fuck Lindelof
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>>65127460
Damon Lindelof script.
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>>65128681
Literally the one good scene in the entire movie.
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>>65130957
The Incredibles is a faithful view of Objectivism.
Especially the quote 'when everyone is super, then no one will be' is very reminiscent of Rand's 'if you love everyone, you love no one'.

Heck, Ratatouille to a certain degree as well. Some nobody with a gift overcomes the establishment and his origins to show the world that he's the best, but doesn't get the recognition he deserves, only the best know he's the best by the end.

What's with Brad Bird and his love for Objectivism though? I swear it's the main theme of all his movies except Ghost Protocol. I even think he said in an interview that he's not an Objectivist yet he keeps making these types of movies.
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>>65129056
I think it's the other way around, the marketing and trailers showed that it was a story of how great Tomorrowland is, with some Bioshock Fountaine type villain fucking shit up, or some possible Objectivism criticism that someone business related wanted to gain power through force because being a good capitalist isn't enough for him.
Instead, it was a road trip to Tomorowland and a boring villain. Just, meh.
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>>65131385
>>65131453
>>65131512
Same cool guy :'-)
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>>65130835
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>>65127460
>George Clooney

Seriously? The guy is uncharismatic as fuck he just thinks he's charismatic, does he have fucking lupus or something?

I would genuinely like Clooney if he only did directing and never bothered to act.
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>>65132933
Exactly, he poisons every project he gets attached to.

>>65133320
I always thought Ratatouille had the opposite theme with it's "anyone can cook" message.
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>>65133476
sry breh

:4)
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>>65133717
oops
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>>65133655
Anyone can cook, doesn't mean they should. The message of anyone can cook, as said at the end by the ghost chef, is that a good chef can come from anywhere not that everyone can cook or become good.
Hell, I think it's even more emphasized. Rand states that she's not a racist because you're looking at the past accomplishments of a person's lineage rather than the person in front of you. That kid was the son of a very famous chef, you would expect him to be just as good, right? It's in the genes and all that bullshit, but no. He's just a kid with no talent who ends up being simply good at being waiter. The rat, with no possible hopes of becoming a chef, could cook and did. Anyone can cook, even a rat. That's the message and it's very Objectivist.
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>>65133838
Also, I like to think that people look down on the ghost chef because he gave the tools to the plebs to become good. But I see it differently. He gave tools to the pleb so that one might rise above mediocrity and become a great chef, like how the rat did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdeI9NfbfT8
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>>65127777
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This prequel novel would have probably made for a more fun movie

>Takes place around the 1939 World's Fair, leads being a boy kinda disinterested in the Fair and his pulp sci-fi obsessed artist mother going to the Fair and the first WorldCon that get pulled into Plus Ultra shenanigans
>Plus Ultra historical figures major characters including Earhart (her disappearance was because of a screwy test flight to break the dimensional barrier, took a little bit time to retrieve her), Howard Hughes (whose funding much of Plus Ultra's shit and eager to capitalize on interdimensional travel), and Tesla (in charge and exasperated with having to deal with Hughes)
>Main villain is Doctor Rotwang (Fritz Lang based the Metropolis character on him), who created some of Plus Ultra's early robots but got kicked out after using a dying child as a lab rat for his cybernetic experiments. He's working for the Nazis now, but is plotting to betray them.
>Said cyborg is like a 12 year old boy trapped in an indestructable weaponized adult body. Hates both Rotwang and Plus Ultra, who he's convinced abandoned them.
>World's Fair reveal plans go off the rails in the ensuing Plus Ultra/Nazi conflict, full of robots, invisible zeppelins and all sorts of fun shit.
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i remember the trailer was some girl screaming because she touched a button or something
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>>65129480
I've walked out of tons of movies

>30 Days of Night
>Queen of the Dead
>King Arthur
>Gods and Generals
>The Fifth Element

Never even asked for my money back. I value my time more.
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>>65130957

>Objectivism
>god tier

Said no member of the philosophic community ever.

Read a book with some actual depth, you fucking plebian.
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>>65128681
>ill just forget the little girl i just killed and run after my truck that was almost paid off
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>>65135335
it about priorities anon. Trucks are important.
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>>65135383
>cue laugh track
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>>65135539
I actually thought it was a okay, if flawed movie. It works well till they get to Tommarrowland, then it falls apart.

Also Athena's death was awful. Not that she died, but Cloony's guy non-reaction. A tear or a kiss on the forhead would of worked.
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>>65135627
i fell asleep at the time skipping bit, then woke up at the end where they are inviting degenerates and muslims to go live there. will probably go watch the death scene though as i was wondering where she went
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>>65135316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9Gsq8zTZ0
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>>65135724
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>>65130075
Spaihts' Prometheus (which wasn't even Prometheus at the time) was going to be a TFA-level rehash of Alien and I'm glad Ridley tried to do something risky with it even if it didn't entirely work. Lindelof was tasked with putting Ridley's ideas down on paper and was constantly rewriting to fill the director's demands, and the only idea he is truly credited with was "what if the sequel to Prometheus wasn't Alien," which was actually a good idea.

As for Star Trek Into Darkness, Lindelof was basically called in to save that script at the last minute. If you think his work on it wasn't an improvement from whatever noted "Transformers" hacks Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman had cooked up, you're an idiot. And for what it's worth, JJ rightfully took the blame for not giving Lindelof and himself more time to smooth out the story.
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>>65135759
sweet thanks. this is probably the first disney movie in awhile that the sad part would have had me in tears of boredom
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>>65135759
WHY DIDN'T HE KISS HER??????????????
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>>65133320
>'when everyone is super, then no one will be'
Aren't people who want to keep down others from increasing their abilities so they could remain top dogs the kind of people Rand would vilify?
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>>65135941
>>65135935
Indeed, it felt off, if they didn't want him to kiss her a tear would of worked. The whole ending fell off

>YFW we find out the writer had him kiss her on the forhead, but studio suits removed it due to worries about it being "wrong"
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>>65133320
>Especially the quote 'when everyone is super, then no one will be' is very reminiscent of Rand's 'if you love everyone, you love no one'.
Except this is the end goal of the villain's evil plan, you idiot. The whole point of The Incredibles is that only insecure dickheads like Syndrome buy into something as selfish as Objectivism.

Note how it's reflected in the conversation between Helen and Dash:
>"Everyone is special, Dash."
>"Which is another way of saying no-one is."

The end of the movie showcases Dash's character arc, when he comes in second place in the race.

The Incredibles being an Objectivist movie is objectively wrong, and based on a complete inability to comprehend the movie.
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>>65136009
>little girl being beaten by adults, take a bullet, and hit by a truck
HEY ITS OK SHES REALLY A ROBOT
>grown man giving her a kiss on the forehead when she dies as a fatherfigure would
THATS PEDOPHILIA YOU SICKOS
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>>65136164
you know it true
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Mods can't do math
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>>65135976
who the fuck hasn't heard of stoke's theorem? that or divergence theorem is the most basic shit they could use that seems impressive to retards.
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>>65136190
damn now i feel bad thinking what else they changed to make it the mediocre mess it ended up as. hope the little girl gets more roles tho
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>>65136268
>stoke's theorem
*Kelvin-Stokes Theorem

Stokes Theorem is pic related.
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>>65136303
I hope both actresses get more roles, both did well with it. The road trip part was really good actually.

>It would of been a better film about Clooney and Laurie, old college buddies and both divorced, going on a road trip with there very different daughters in tow.
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>>65131270
You're a reddit.
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>>65136131
>The whole point of The Incredibles is that only insecure dickheads like Syndrome buy into something as selfish as Objectivism.
That seems backwards and baseless. How does that even make any sense. Are you saying only insecure people can be Objectivist? On what grounds or merit? What bullshit Syllogism.
>Syndome is selfish and is shit
>Objectivism promotes selfishness
>therefore the movie is against Objectivism because being selfish is shit
How does that even make sense? Not to mention the movie makes no statement about selfishness, even promotes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60px65Rz0M


>Bob: It's psychotic! People keep coming up with new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is genuinely exceptional...
>Helen: This is not about you, Bob. This is about Dash.
>Bob: You want to do something for Dash? Well, let him actually compete! Let him go out for sports!
>Helen: I will not be made the enemy here! You *know* why we can't!
>Bob: Because he'd be *GREAT*!

>when he comes in second place in the race.
Yes, because they can't reveal he's a Special. Before the parents wouldn't let their kid even fucking compete. Did you even watch the movie? Being in second place, when he could have easily won first, shows that he uses his gifts to be the best and can show off.


Holy fuck, how can you be this dumb?
He wants to compete, show he's the best but he can't because of society. This is Objectivism 101. Superman in hiding. Holy fuck.

>>65135997
Yes.
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>>65136868
>no statement about selfishness
no negative* statement
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>>65136131
>Note how it's reflected in the conversation between Helen and Dash:
>>"Everyone is special, Dash."
>>"Which is another way of saying no-one is."
Also, this is probably you being an idiot since there are actual special people and they're fucking super heroes. Dash *is* more special than other people. Everyone being special is just a way to negate his gift, something Rand hated.
Why try and go to sports? Everyone is special! You're as special as the rest of the mediocrity.

You've honest made no points explaining why the Incredibles being an Objectivist movie is wrong.
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>>65136131
Seriously, Dash could have been first easily but his family doesn't want him to show off completely as to get too much attention. Being in second place lets him show off and not blow the cover that he's a Super.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIjQ_hBiZxQ

You're just dumb.
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>>65136131
>Except this is the end goal of the villain's evil plan, you idiot.
Also, to make sure I just fuck with every one of your points and show that you're an idiot, the end goal that 'if everyone is super, no one will be' and the 'if you love everyone, you love no one' shows that collectively giving everyone the same treatment leads to collective mediocrity and shit. Rand hated that and she would have hated Syndrone. His end goal was shit. Rand promoted the idea that you must only love a single person with the most intensity with others being at a different levels of love because if you loved everyone on the same level, you didn't really love anyone.

How the fuck did you think
>hmm this is exactly what Ayn Rand hated, therefore this person who promotes something she hated proves that he's into Objectivism
How do you rationalize that?
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>>65135149
>5th element

because of chris tucker??!??!?!???
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>>65137431
you seem upset, friend.
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>>65137680
Just bored.
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>>65127460
>A+ Production
>Of a sack of shit script.
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>>65136009
Probably Clooney actually, he catches shit for being a cradlerobber already.
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>>65131385
She's 13 and looks 18....the fuck...stop drinking milk...
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>>65137431
"I was born with a privilege and to give this privilege to others (For a reasonable fee) is wrong, because I'm afraid of competition" is looters' mentality, mate.
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>>65127460
>What happened?

at it's core it a movie about the wonder of scientific discovery. starring a 10 year old girl.

Despite people being all about pop science on the internet most people could really give a shit about science and they didnt cast a boy to appeal to young nerdy kids.

It also tried to be a time travel movie and those are more often than not stinkers.
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>>65139992
Which Rand doesn't like. What's even your point?
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>>65127460
Lindelof happened. Even Brad Bird couldn't fix his shit script.
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>>65127884
Aww yiss. Daddy is ready for this one.
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>>65140229
I think it's a bit too easy to just always blame Lindelof for the movies he wrote. Most of the things that were retarded in Prometheus were things added by Ridley, and I guarantee Tomorrowland went through dozens of rewrites and writers. It really had the feel of a script that at one point probably was pretty good and got fucked over by Disney frankensteining shit together. Not to mention lame the premise of making a fucking movie about some attraction that nobody gives a shit about and doesn't make sense.
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Copypastaing what I said when it came out.

When I saw the trailer I was excited.
It started excellently. The children were good actors. That sequence of boy-Clooney discovering Tomorrowland and falling through the sky was amazing.
The chick was a shockingly unlikable protagonist. She lied, stole, vandalised, etc, etc. The two-wolf shit was retarded.
Then it's an entire fucking movie about trying to reach this place, when it was advertised as being a movie set within the place. Also at the end I'm pretty sure all of those people across the world would be dead - many of them were standing very near train-lines and cliffs.


If they had just marketed it in a way that made it a quest to find this place, that would've worked.

Imagine if the trailers didn't show Tomorrowland.

Imagine if the movie didn't start with the little boy Clooney. It starts with the next scene, and the whole movie is just them trying to reach this place that the audience has no idea what it looks like.

Then they finally reach it, and it's deserted. Little girl dies. Movie ends the same way but then when the camera zooms in on Clooney, instead of ending it shows the opening scene of the boy finding Tomorrowland in its hey-day, which was easily the best scene of the movie.

All you'd need to do is remove all instances of Tomorrowland from the trailer and move the first scene to the end of the movie. It would require so little work and make the movie so much better that it hurts me.
Gave it a 5/10 - when ranking it against every film that comes out of Hollywood, this was definitively average.
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reminder the objectivism is only valid as a personal philosophy
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>>65141184
Marketing can do amazing things.
Like how they showed Bridge to Teribithia to be a LotR successor instead of being a cruel, emotional gut punch. Or that Iron Man 3 would be the long-awaited battle of wits between Tony Stark and The Mandarin instead of following a guy without armor having a breakdown.
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>>65140646
go to bed Lindelof for fuck's sake.
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>>65130330
>spotting a redditor 101
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>>65127512

This.

Plus like the last Ayn Rand adaptation it's a fucking awful film.
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>>65130075

>Lindelof

>Fucked everything up

The guy sucks but you faggots have to remember;

All those changes were RIDLEY'S ideas.

Ridley is just as bad with script meddling and fucking things up as Lindelof.

Just look at the fucking train wreck he turned Robin Hood into. One of the most bizarre hack jobs ever.
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Movies that have weird pedophilia sub-plots in them are not usually very successful.
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>>65127884
>tfw it's riddled with social justice nonsense and completely shits on the theme of the first
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>>65135875

I remember reading an article or interview with some writer where they were talking about why Kurtzman, Orci and Lindeloff get tons of work despite being "bad", and it's apparently because they're fairly decent writers who are good at taking every single stupid, idiotic note sent to them by the studio/director and making it fit into the film.

Apparently this is why Spider-Man 2 was the way it was. Instead of saying;

>Wow, no. That's fucking stupid.

They say;

>Well...okay. We can make that work.

So they keep getting hired over and over.

>>65136131

Brad Bird has been shat on pretty heavily by the SJW brigade in the last couple of years. I feel bad for the guy, since his POV is pretty fucking safe and normal and far from some bunker dwelling survivalist hoarding gold coins.
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Clooney is an insufferable douche

Women only loved him cause he was a single aloof playboy

Now hes married and is not a single aloof playboy

Lost more than half his fans by getting married after establishing himself as le playboy man for 20 years
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>>65127884

He's going to try to atone by making a film in which The Incredibles adopt a transexual African American cripple who shows them that when given the chance, he's just as incredible as they are, despite having no powers.
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>>65134987
>>65127460
what's this sort of neo noir fantasy artstyle called? And are there any other movies that use it??
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>shitty script
>bad story overall
>lackluster acting
>crappy effects
>too much CGI
>etc etc
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>>65143030

Art Deco Retro-Futurism.

Pic related is sort of the standard film response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSExdX0tds4
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>>65129984
F=MA

the little girl robot was too light to do much damage to the truck as he wasn't traveling at highway speeds when he hit her.
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>keep warning people about lindelof
>lindelof keeps putting out pure shit
>people keep making and watching lindelof shit

Though I'll admit, he does better in serial formats, because he can hide the fact hes an incompetent hack for longer. Personally can't wait for the turnaround from the 3-4 leftovers fans when season 3 hits.
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>>65143030
>playing BadSystemShock 2
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>>65127845
don't you die in the first 10 minutes?
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>>65143362
thanks anon
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>>65142925
>Brad Bird has been shat on pretty heavily by the SJW brigade in the last couple of years.
SJW, as a whole, is the exact bullshit collectivist Rand was talking about. It's really weird how basically everything she talks about parasites, seeking to drag people down, destroying people's worth 'for the greater collective good' is exactly what SJW are. So, honestly, if his movies are heavily Objectivist themed, it's natural for SJW to hate it that much.
I honestly never really believed her villains bullshit in her books but the way SJW act make me think she was right on the money in her depiction of them to a scary degree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O6uacXDAHg
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Comparing this beautiful film about creativity with the philosophy of Ayn Rand must be some kind of American psychopathy at work, surely?
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>>65147622
Surely, a hidden city where the best gathered from the rest of the world is not something Ayn Rand came up with, no? Surely it's European psychopathy at play, yes?

It's not comparing as much as obvious similarities and themes.
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>>65147702
No.
It's a metaphor for an alternative world which isn't driven by capitalism and personal greed.

Your comparison is not a metaphor but a literal one-to-one comparison of an isolated enclave in each fiction, but the philosophy behind the two things is diametrically different.

I said American very specifically because I've never read Rand being brought up in discussion of this film except by Americans.
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I think certain people hate this film because of the socialist ideals expressed in it.
Capitalism and selfish greed are the enemies of creativity and universal happiness, in this film.
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>>65147957
Meh, I personally don't care about Tomorrowland and whether or not it's connected to Objectivism.
To be fair, Rand is very popular in murrica so it's natural that comparison are made between the two. However, simply because capitalism and personal greed are not shown in the movie to be the driving force for why the city was built, does not preclude the concept coming from Objectivism. A city 'filled with the world's smartest and best people' is something Rand promoted a lot and is well known.
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>>65129824
You just KNOW
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>>65148108
>Objectivism.
From Rand's stories* not her philosophy. I'm stupidly mixing the two.
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>>65148108
OK, but IMO the film is saying EVERYONE can be part of that better world given the chance to express creativity and I feel that is anti-elite rather than elitist.
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The film failed because of bad promotion.
The poster looks like a fey, young adult piece of shit.
When I saw the film, after a recommendation, I was surprised by the action content. I really enjoyed it.
I do think it slowed in a couple of scenes and could have had a few minutes of editing but no-one could know that before seeing the thing.
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>>65148185
That's not really special. It's essentially the same message as Ratatouille where anyone can cook (as I explain here >>65133838). I personally think it's a misconception that Objectivism inherently is elitist, even though a lot of Rand's characters are smug elitist who pride on being good. Objectivism states that anyone can become good so long as you put the effort in it. You can come from wherever, be born from whatever slut or whore, be black or white, so long as you have the will and the talent to push yourself to the best you can be.
A closed off society is good in Rand's utopia but it should be noted at the end of Atlas Shrugged (which is just good for 200-300 pages and then becomes a horrible bore), Galt says that anyone who still thinks and has talent should seek his hidden city out.

So really, I don't see it as being anti-Objectivist.
The movie isn't saying, imo, that the elite smart should be brought down to the plebs, but that the plebs, if they can show themselves to be competent, should be allowed in. It's elitist with a crack in the door invitation.
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>>65127613
??????????????????????????????
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Wow, this thread is still alive.
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you can see that Brad still had sense of direction in this, there are a lot of fun sequence in this movie that made me forgot how flawed the storytelling is.
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>>65149401
Indeed, there was some talented people trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, and in all seriousness, the frustrating thing is that it almost worked. I think that is why it so fustrating as a movie. That and the SJW ending.

Though I keep it on the hard drive for britt robertson
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>>65148373
hey, fun fact, studios know how something is going to perform before it is released, hell, before you even see a trailer. There are these things called "test marketing" and "test audiences." When the product is finished or close to finished, it is test marketed, and test audience reaction the determines the amount the studio will spend on marketing. If it tests well, tons of marketing and a summer or holiday release. if it tests poorly, low-to-no marketing and an "off-season" release.

so, while you youngsters may think there is a direct cause-effect relationship between marketing and box office performance, what you're actually seeing is an after-the-fact correlation. Studios only heavily market what they already know will perform well and leave to freeze in the fall/winter months what they know no amount of marketing will save.

Otherwise they're in a situation where they're throwing good money (marketing budgets) after bad (money already spent on a shit film) which would result in even more people learning to distrust marketing.

So, saying "WONT MARKETED ENUF/RITE" is not only wrong, its moronic.
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>that scream Hugh Laurie lets out when his legs get crushed
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>>65149689
Even studios admit they market some stuff wrong. The Studio has admitted they screwed up the marketing for Bridge to Terabithia for example.
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>>65148495
>The movie isn't saying, imo, that the elite smart should be brought down to the plebs, but that the plebs, if they can show themselves to be competent, should be allowed in. It's elitist with a crack in the door invitation.

The problem is the movie starts with tomorrowland at that point. Then for, lindelof reasons, decides to stop that. Then once the embodiment of the lindelof reasons are killed/destroyed, they go back to that.
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>>65149777
Bridge to teribitha is completely unmarketable. It's insane they even tried to make a movie out of that.
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I half-watched it while playing some vidya and thought it was kind of okay.
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>>65130616
>>the concept of the future predicting device actually creating futures based upon the expectations of the people surrounding it, then broadcasting that future to others was kinda dumped so the movie could end with a huge CGI explosion

..what?
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>>65128196
I thought it had some of the old disney charm. My biggest problem was that it felt like two halves of different movies.
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>>65131091
she was 23 at the time
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Disappointing third act aside except the loli's death, I really loved this movie. Maybe its the message of individualism and progression of humanity. Maybe its the great acting. Maybe its the balant product placement. Idk. 8/10.
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>>65127460
Too much CG. And it's CG that just kind of wafts past your eyes like you've seen it all before.
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>>65152270

where have you seen this before anon? i'd like to see it myself!
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things like "too much CG" can only explain poor reviews it cannot explain why people didn't even go and see the fucking thing, unless they are psychic
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>>65127739

Tomorrowland literally destroyed his career.
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>>65127460
Poorly set up expectations. We only saw 5 minutes of tomorrowland.
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