Explain why Hollywood stars never experience any negative side effects from steroids.
Meanwhile the average gym goer would either drop dead or experience various health risks
Becasue they're only in that shape for the short couple months of filming. Also athletes train to actually compete, these muscles are mostly for cosmetics. They get built up but not actually strained.
They can afford a team of doctors to monitor their condition. They can afford weekly blood tests. They can afford the best drugs, the nice clean shit. No shady Russian/Chinese black market shit. Shooting takes place over a year at most. They get in shape for about 6 months and stop juicing. Regular people cycle until they die. They do exercises to minimize damage. They can afford chefs and nutritionists to make them the optimal foods.
Hollywood has a lot of Anti-aging clinics. Basically doctors offices where they prescribe you steroids and HGH and monitor your intake and create programs to get you the best results. Insurance doesn't cover treatment from these facilities since they're considered non-essential cosmetic procedures, only the ultra rich can afford their services.
This is exactly what someone would say when they have no idea what steroids even do. I don't even work out so why would I do steroids? Even if I did it doesn't have anything to do with your dick. Are you sure you're 18?
These guys are not on steroids for the most part. The studio hires trainers and nutritionists and these guys spend anywhere from 3-6 months working out like 4 hours a day 7 days a weeks and eating heavily restricted diets in order to look otherworldly for that one topless scene. Studios aren't going to risk the scandal, but they put the actors on a lot pf pressure, pay them extra, and include the regiments in their contracts.
>Hes a hollywood actor so he is 100% roiding
this is just as retarded as believing that everyone is natty
if hackman swoled up between roles, then its def a sign of roids, but he has been training for decades and has gotten slightly bigger everytime
when it's possible to look like latsbrah without the use of steroids, I don't really see the point of doing them
plus, the health factors are there
and don't direct me to one of your fucking /fraud/ threads either, I don't care
>can't post pics from phone
You don't get as vascular as Jackman is in the right side of OP's pic naturally. Also, read some of the other replies in the thread. Steroids and HGH are not illegal, you can have them prescribed by a doctor legally. There's no scandal to worry about.
>when it's possible to look like latsbrah without the use of steroids, I don't really see the point of doing them
Look man I love you and all, but you're looking at this the wrong way. Most guys won't ever look like Latsbrah. Many guys want to cut corners and save time. Your concern is realistic as most people on cycle end up fucking themselves up because they don't know how to use it. But if you use them responsibly you can achieve Schwarzenegger status without dying at 33 from a heart attack. I'm not saying do them, I'm saying be chill about it and let natural selection do its thing.
List me the health factors for someone who is taking them properly? Doctors give roids to recovering patients who go through major surgery. It's a drug and should be treated as such.
>who is taking them properly
I think his point (and I agree with this, see >>65110506) is that most people don't use them properly. You're an absolute retard if you think otherwise. Should've specified that to achieve Schwarzenegger mode you need to be one in a million.
Arny had god tier genetics with an absolutely ridiculous work ethic. I don't think many people can get to look like him. It would take close to a decade to look even remotely close.
>actually thinking that it's the same amount of dosage for the same amount of time
>thinking taking steroids for sanitary reasons and for lifting is the same
is this what you need to tell yourself when your balls are dust so you can sleep at night?
christ you gear fags are autismal, I actually have to avoid your kind at the gym
If you actually read my fucking posts, you'd know I said I don't work out therefor I don't use steroids. You need to stop being so naive and form your own opinions. Not the ones the media is feeding you every day.
I swear I totally avoid them too. Anytime they want to talk I just kinda laugh and turn away. Most of them look like fucking freakshow clowns. What are they going to tell me how hard something theyre doing is without me laughing?
You're late >>65110373
Wasn't funny the first time bro, give it a rest.
He's right about steroids on the media though.
Does anyone have any idea why they are so negatively portrayed instead of being more factual about it? It's almost like there's a campaign against them.
all the shit tier irresponsible people in the gym are on roids. shows you how much of a joke being on roids is when you overhear them being in and out of jail and not being able to hold an easy job.
How does me lifting weights or not have anything to do with the use of steroids? Even if I did lift, I wouldn't use steroids because I don't feel it's worth it. Try actually reading about steroids instead of condemning them because it's what everyone tells you to do.
Hugh does not like a roider. No cannonball shoulders, no traps, small bicep and tricep, well, not small, but not roider big. Here looks like he is in really good shape with good lightning.
Im not white knighting him, just sayin. My gym bro looks better than him, and he is roid free.
That's not dead you fucking moron.
External test will shrink your testicles, but you can get medication for that during a cycle, sex drive dropping is individual, look like what?
There are different steroids, not just for muscle building :)
>Hugh does not like a roider. No cannonball shoulders, no traps, small bicep and tricep, well, not small, but not roider big. Here looks like he is in really good shape with good lightning.
>Im not white knighting him, just sayin. My gym bro looks better than him, and he is roid free.
Hugh Jack is also almost 50 years old.
It's more about the fact that their muscles and weight change drastically between a short amount of time.
Yes, you can look like that as natty with good lighting, but not in a year or two.
It's pretty obvious that male actors use cycles to get muscle fast
This 5'5" guy from high school started out taking growth hormones, he was trying to be taller, it didn't work and he just went on to be a full on insane roider. It is always a compensation thing.
I pity these people, being 5'5 is like being stuck as a 12 year old for life, in all honesty it would be kinder to just kill them.
Also the guy wasn't strong, he just looked bulky as fuck,but was weaker than some pasty 6' skinny-fats. Doubly sad.
You dont get anything that stops your balls from shrinking during a cycle (which is most of the time for someone who maintains a roided physique year after year) and after youve gone through that again and again they will never come back to natural size.
mate you dont get more muscles if you spend more hours a day at a gym. Muscles need to be broken and you need rest. These Jackman-esque bullshit "i work out 8 hours a day every day" would just create symptoms of overtraning, flat muscles and no time for muscles to be rebuilt.
You think Bale went from Ethiopian child to built in 6 months "with lots of training" too?
Go to a psych ward, you have narcissistic disorder.
>it absolutely makes you an unlikable freak to alot of people if you look like an obvious roider of roid culture.
Please, you will never have to worry about 'looking like obvious roider of roid culture'.
>when it's possible to look like latsbrah without the use of steroids
>without the use of steroids
you mean the long haired blonde guy? Have you seen his delts?
has anyone here even lifted a dumbell?
>Studios aren't going to risk the scandal,
What scandal? You can't be serious if you don't understand what steroids are and what a steroid body looks like? Protip: 95% of male actors are on steroids.
this right here. athletes train to compete and take their bodies to the limit, while actors exercise for cosmetic purposes. i don't mind i actors take them, but there's a problem when athletes in combat sports like boxing and MMA take them and can seriously injure other athletes who may not be taking them.
Hollywood stars get top grade steroids, personal doctors, personal trainers, personal chefs, and don't have a 9-5 to report to so they can focus on their training 100%.
Meanwhile average guy is injecting Chinese steroids bought off some guy selling it on Craigslist
Absolutely disgusting. You're practically animals. Why don't you all just strip naked and bone each other all day long if it's so important to you you filthy breeders? Try actually accomplishing something with your life and maybe not being able to fill the planet with your worthless braindead spawn wouldn't seem like such a tragedy.
Look friend, I am natty as natty can be, but as long as someone isn't competing in some sort of physical competition, I don't give a fuck what they choose to put in their own body. Neither should you.
>isn't competing in some sort of physical competition,
Like the general societal competition you mean? Where the better you look the better jobs you get, the better everyone, male or female, reacts to you, the better your sex life is, the better everything is for you?
Yes you will when your lats are bloated to the point that you look like a gorilla.
You guys look like clowns, we all know you didnt get like that by doing ten million reps. You look way off. It looks like bad plastic surgery.
What are you on about? Why do you think if someone uses steroids, some random person will see in Carrot Top in you?
That is what you are saying with your posts.
And if you really think you just 'look like that' if you use steroids you are ignorant.
>You guys look like blahblah insults
Now someone is being insecure and narcissistic, since you assume we do it for others and not for ourselves.
>this is literally his physique at his moment of peak popularity according to google trends
Well fuck. I thought women would prefer him when he was more natty.
Looks like it is time to order some roids, maybe then someone will love me.
If you look at Huge Jackedman's physique throughout the course of the X-Men films, he gradually becomes more built in each one.
Which leads me to believe he hasn't been abusing steroids and his physique is the result of nearly a decade of serious lifting.
They don't take steroids. Get a grip on reality you skinny twink boys.
You can even see Hugh Jackmans transformation over the years. From X Men 1, to Xmen Origins Wolverine, to Days of Future Past.
It's called having the best personal trainers in the world, dedication, diet, and hard work. Also, post production effects, certain angles, lighting, can make anyone look bigger (Tom Hardy as Bane) than they really are.
I can tell when someone has bloated up muscles from being on something. I see fucking 19 year olds showing up with upper arms and delts that are way too fucking big for them because they took roids and did a bunch of isolation work on machines after 2 heavy reps of incline bench day after day.
>Implying I need to train my legs when I look like a god
Pic related. I'd crush you.
bro he just lifted several hours a day every day (with no rest to rebuild) while taking in calories below maintainance to lose fat while still lifting hard (without rest) with a caloric deficit
you know, math
it's safe to assume that olympic athletes use stuff that can't even be detected, ahead of the curve
He's done it several times. Plus, his body doesn't look like he's on fucking roids, I don't know where you're getting this "EVERYONE WHO'S BIGGER THAN ME IS ON CYCLE" mentality.
He's been lifting for nearly a decade. He's on his gains prime. Get over yourself.
>it's safe to assume that olympic athletes use stuff that can't even be detected
some drugs can't be detected but it's not like they're not running standard gear most of the time. A lot only get tested around the time of a big comp (especially weightlifters) so most of them are using fairly basic cycles because they work best
>while taking in calories below maintainance to lose fat while still lifting hard (without rest) with a caloric deficit
it's like natty fags literally cant hear themselves or they're just on their first six months
>he thinks a 5'8 165lb Tom Hardy took steroids to bulk up to 185lbs for Warrior
>He thinks Tom Hardy was 45 years old 5 years ago
Jesus Christ I know theres illiteracy, autism, and grade 5 educations on this board but I didn't realize we have full fledged retards posting here.
>his body doesn't look like he's on fucking roids
so? I do strongman (only at a local level) and know loads of lads who get on the bike, you wouldn't be able to tell with some of them.
>I don't know where you're getting this "EVERYONE WHO'S BIGGER THAN ME IS ON CYCLE" mentality
I don't give a fuck if someone's on roids, like I said I do strongman, it's impossible not to be at least open-minded about it in that sport. I'm just saying you can pass a drug test and still not be natty
This guy is completely fine. His quads are covered by his shorts and you can tell he does legs because he has good calve muscles.
How the power of certain angles can screw you over
No man. Tom Hardy totally juiced to get to 185lbs!!
I mean just look at him next to all natural 185lbs Christian Bale. Tom totallllyyy out sizes him with his steroid shoulders and arms!!!
Jackman has gone on record saying how the crash diets and endless workouts to stay in shape for Wolverine has taken its toll on his health, especially as he's gotten older. It's why he's only going to do one more Wolverine solo film and be done with it.
Here's how roids work:
>They cut your recovery time from exercises in half, therefore allowing you to progress twice as fast as non roiders
The problem is that sustained use of roids permanently fucks up your hormonal balance, so if you're gonna start using them you have to use them for life. Make no mistake, Hugh Jackman and any other well built actor put in fuckloads of work to get the body he has whether he's on roids or not.
The reason your average joe gym goer gets health problems is because he's:
1. Using shitty roids
2. He stops using them because he can't afford them
This is the natty limit of humans, for reference.
>They cut your recovery time from exercises in half, therefore allowing you to progress twice as fast as non roiders
they do have a direct impact as well, reduced recovery time is a major aspect but they do increase size and strength on their own
Yeah you're right. Tom Hardy didn't roid to get big. He roided for his performance. Because we all know actors aren't about appearance, they're about performance like UFC athletes :))
And theres no way in hell Tom Hardy could go from 165lbs to 185lbs naturally. Especially with personal trainers. No fucking way in hell is that physically possible without the use of pills and needles (even tho Tom Hardy is an ex-junkie and swore to never get involved in drugs again)
But steroids were the exception :))))))
>so? I do strongman (only at a local level) and know loads of lads who get on the bike, you wouldn't be able to tell with some of them.
Just because you can't tell it doesn't mean there aren't people out there who can't.
I'm vouching for this guy. He's natty. Your insistence that he is on gear is annoying. He's not even anti-roids and says he probably will do them sometime when he gets older.
>those zits on Bane's back was because the League of Shadows had bad dermatologists
and him going from skinny in RockNRolla to Warriors was what? We cant use the Jackman's excuse of "he was tranining all these years"
But you'll still have people convinced he took roids because they think putting 25lbs of fat is the same as putting on 25lbs of pure muscle. Or something. I have no idea why anyone would think he would be on roids. My only guess is that they're anorexic twink boys, and anyone that weighs over 160lbs looks like a steroid user to them.
Rock n Rolla was 2008, Warriors was 2011. That's 3 years, completely plausible for him to get that body without using roids in that time.
You could take any skellington on /tv/ and have them looking like Tom Hardy in Warrriors in 2 years if they were dedicated. You obviously know nothing about building muscle, basing your argument on nothing is a sure way to make a fool of yourself.
ok take inception and warriors, one year apart (i'm assuming less since years of release is not the same as their shooting schedule)
mind you, he's not doing only those films at the time. And actors aren't athletes who can dedicate themselves entirely like that.
Who gives a shit if he roided?
It's totally unheard of for an actor, who has a history of exercise and bulking up (Bronson) (Black Hawk Down) to gain 25lbs of mainly fat (Warrior) (Bane) in 4-5 months of prep time with the best personal trainers in the world and a diet suited for your needs.
It's just impossible, especially in Hollywood, where everyone has shit resources. Tom Hardy, the ex-junkie, who swore off drugs years ago, totally got needles and pills so he could get his below average steroid body for Warrior and Bane.
>this is the level of autism /tv/ is at
At this point /tv/ is dumber than /v/
>ok take inception and warriors, one year apart
He had clothes on in Inception, that doesn't prove anything. Look at this pic as an example of how insanely muscly dudes look normal in clothes.
>And actors aren't athletes who can dedicate themselves entirely like that.
Actors can't spare an hour every other day of the week to lift weights? Cmon dude.
bro he's been working out all this time, he just went more disciplined and lifted harder for Warriors and got a bit fatter for Bane. Just like Jackman, they're all natties
>im a fucking idiot btw
do you really go to yourself "i was right" when you see that black hawk down pic?
(seriously, you could at least make the argument that during inception Hardy was already bulked for Warriors, because he was in the set)
1. Steroids generally only have horrible side effects when used long-term, actors usually only cut like this during filming, normal gymfags use this shit for months and months then wonder why their testicles are gone.
2. They have people who know how to use the right stuff for the right amount of time with the right workouts to make them look like adonis, normal gymfags have no idea what they are doing most of the time.
3. Most actors who do this have god tier genetics regardless, so they have a leg up on the average pile of biological waste that you see in the gym.
My ENTIRE argument is destroyed because you showed me a picture of Tom Hardys thin arm from Black Hawk Down. So Tom Hardy, confirmed, for doing a steroid cycle to get to a fatty 185lbs for Warrior and Bane.
>Just when you think the autism on /tv/ can't get anymore autismer
you literally said he had a history of bulking up with black hawk down
he got fat for Bronson, that's it. He bulked for Warriors (around the same time as Inception), got fatter for Bane and thats it.
Bale in Begins after The Machinist - roids or natty?
what do you think trainers do? lift the weights for them? What do you think putting on muscle entails? some bullshit like crossfit jumping on boxes and waving around heavy ropes?
I stand corrected, he has a history of bulking up for Bronson, and not Black Hawk Down.
Doesn't matter. My argument remains completely untouched.
Bale from Machinist to Begins = Natty.
You'll have people argue he's on steroids. But holy fuck, wouldn't it be sad if you cycled on a magical drug that works like wonders for 6 months and you ended up only looking like this? (Not saying his body is bad but holy fuck I want a refund for my steroids if this is the results of cycling for months)
>wouldn't it be sad if you cycled on a magical drug that works like wonders for 6 months and you ended up only looking like this?
m8, people who use roids look like that until they cut. Not saying he actually did, I don't think it matters at all, but please stop posting.
I might be talking out of my ass on this one, but I've heard actors like Henry Cavill had to sign a contract that dictated exactly what he was going to eat to get fit for the superman role.
I imagine Jackman signed a similar contract, and I don't doubt the company paid for all the 'supplements' he needed to look like that.
Don't forget the movie companies are investing in these kind of actors to attract an audience, the actors themselves might have no idea what they are getting in their bodies.
For all the negative side effects of steroids, there are drugs you can take to prevent problems.
To the super rich, acquiring both the steroids et al and their counter acting drugs, is easy. To the average bodybuilder acquiring, rather knowing how to prevent negative effects is a costly endeavor.
yeah i agree it's a bad bulk and people called him FATMAN in the set and he had to bring it down to fit in the suit
but THAT muscle mass after the Machinist (you've seen him right?) in less than six months? Nah.
I dont care he cycled. Why would he dedicate himself so much when he still has to memorize lines, go do make up and lighting work, fit for costumes, travel, do PR for movies being released while he's shooting etc
sure is a lot of misinformation in here like a bunch of virgins describing sex. There's nothing inherently wrong/bad/dangerous with PEDs. Used properly, they'll have the intended results with no side effects. Problem is stupid gym goers abuse the shit out of them.
jackman enjoys looking like that, he doesn't need to sign a contract.
Regaining water weight/mass you've lost literally takes days.. not weeks.. a few days.
But of course these rich, successful, dedicated celebrities with access to the best of everything wouldn't be able to gain some mass naturally is half a year.
>I can't explain it, there for, STEROIDS!!!!!
not him but he obviously roided after The Machinist without using any thinning agents (and ate like a pig in a milkshake pool at the same time because the roids would still make him a bit more leaner and cut)
>B-but he has to c-cut first to look ripped!!!
most do, you cant build that much muscle from the machinist while ganining no fat
jesus christ mate how are you still in the "rich people make miracles against biology" argument?
look at pic related. Less than six months, all natty?
You literally never lifted or kept a bulk diet in your whole life
I'm actually struggling to comprehend how utterly fucking stupid you are. I personally think it's bait, but I also realize I'm on /tv/ where grade 4 educations are a very real thing.
You are a fucking idiot. The skeleton in machinist was GONE, when they finished shooting. You being a retard who doesn't watch movies and studies bro science instead would explain it.
He's pudgy at the end. Going from that to BB is not that outlandish.
>negotiate with studios
>work with nolan on character
>rehearsal with actors
>fit for costumes, makeup and special effects, lighting etc
>do PR for previous films
NEETs on their first six months of easy gains still thinks it's all natty
>B-b-but he t-took steroids!!! There's no way he could regain his normal bodyweight and put on 20+ lbs in 6 months guise!!!!
Thanks for confirming to me you're an anorexic boy that's never touched a weight in his life. At least I know to save my time with your horrible bait.
Too bad literally no one on /tv/ lifts or hangs around people who do lift and take steroids. Then you'd know the true power of cycling. I've seen people who look x5 better than this after 3 months of cycling.
Yeah I can just see your pale, puny frame sitting behind the dimly lit light of your computer with empty pop cans and junk food on your computer desk.
Try not to strain a muscle getting all worked up on your keyboard m8.
As for your obvious b8. Keep throwing it out, let's see who genuinely believes you :)
The kind of muscles Jackman has are probably only lightly aided by steroids, in small dosages, infrequently.
If he's been lifting and staying in that shape for 15 or so years now, with roughly an hour or two hours of physical fitness each morning for 7 days a week or with a rest day, he can achieve that.
He probably doesn't have to use steroids as much once his muscles are already there. A lot of it's probably CGI touch ups, like the veins.
Actor's don't just take steroids, they also have a team of trainers that the studio have hired to get them into shape and they're on a huge contract.
I know guys who have gotten shredded but it takes serious dedication the vast majority of us scrubs working 8 hours a day don't have the energy for.
I did it once and it's just not worth it. Actors are getting paid millions to get into shape for roles.
You're seriously arguing he's not natty?
I already know you faggots on this board are DYEL and don't lift but I thought you illiterate clowns at least had SOME common sense. (not a lot of common sense) but SOME at least.
This common sense isn't wanted here.
Here we just label anyone that is muscle a steroid user without reason or thought.
Just like every movie that is successful we rip apart without reason or thought.
Same shit, difference subject.
That's not bait. He's definitely an anorexic/obese, frail weak beta boy that probably hasn't had a social interaction outside of his parents in months.
Anyone with any bit of muscle is a steroid user to him because any amount of muscle is impressive to him.
Why is he going bald, bros?
>When lifting I'm always with a trainer because the thing that makes a difference is that last 20% in your training, and he very scientifically looks after my food as well, because when I'm going for a "shirt off" shot, everything changes the month before, and I'm timed down to the day. There is water dehydration for 36 hours before. It's quite a scientific process to looking your best.
I actually drink all the beer I want and I still look like Henry. That's what good genetics do. Balding is just a representation of that. Me and Henry could be mistaken as brothers.
It's funny how much difference angle, lighting and color can make. Look at his arms in the left pic. Not flexing, not tan, bad angle, arms pushed back.
Right pic, tan, flexing, straight on angle, good lighting he looks jacked. Look closely and the arms aren't that much difference in size.
Who says they don't suffer side effects? It's not like it would improve their career by complaining about it. They're in the business of not being truthful about themselves. It's just another lie they tell.
I'm not really sure what most people are talking about here...I'm guessing they are just assuming they do/he does drugs and a "health way?"
Pretty much they do a cross fit work out to get to the shape they need to be in for that time of filming.
Anytime on the schedule where the actor needs to show his body. They do a heavy work out on the day of filming without drinking any water to really show the his muscles.
it doesn't matter If someone was juicing for a short period of time. Any muscle they gained will be lost almost immediately (2-3 weeks)
Taylor Lautner is a perfect example of someone who juiced and stopped
Pro tip: You still have to bust your ass in the gym aka"strain" the muscles in order to achieve gains like this even if you are on a huge stack of AAS. A spot-on diet and being genetically gift also helps quite a bit.
As far as lifting goes, your programming and parameters are different than say an MMA athlete or football player, but body builders work just as hard and sacrifice just as much to get into show-ready condition.
Orals and some injectables are metabolized by the liver and improper use can lead to hepatic toxicity. It's like saying a lifelong smoker that has lung cancer but it wasn't the smoking that killed him. True, it's a complication of smoking and not directly smoking itself, but it is 99% likely the choice to do that to his body caused the disease.
You mean more? Don't act like you lift, breh.
The studio makes them sign contracts that prohibits them from eating anything outside of their plan. They choose the proper (meaning meticulously crafted) bulk and cut diets so they gain muscle with little to no fat gain so they can lose it quickly when they're large enough, but they still have to eat twice as many calories as a normal person.
It sucks. Don't be like these people unless you can pay someone to do that same shit for you, or if you're getting paid to do it.
>already been to the gym today
>have to wait until tomorrow to go back
>can't escape fit shit on /tv/
not him but yes there was a lot of training, but probably other shit involved.
you dont get "more muscles quicker" by spending more time a day working out. "He got bigger arms by doing biceps 3 hours a day 7 times a week!"
They apologized and cleared the whole thing up.
>you dont get "more muscles quicker" by spending more time a day working out. "He got bigger arms by doing biceps 3 hours a day 7 times a week!"
yes you do, dont give me overtraining bullshit just because you're a weak dude with no effort
The human body can only repair so much tissue damage at a time. Even under optimal conditions the most you can gain natty is around a pound of muscle a week, anything over that is very likely going to be fat gains.
So if you want to spend twelve hours in the gym literally tearing your muscles to shit that's cool but you'll never be able to repair that damage in time for you next work out unless you have way to increase the speed of your protein synthesis.
Which is exactly what roids do. hmmmmm