>this is the only oscar-winner that'll actually be remembered

The artist did it better

>>65080937
La Grande Belleza

>>65080937
I agree. It will be remembered, but for being a huge steaming shit

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>>65080972

>>65080937

Dunno, the cover and concept are lame so I'm not going to watch it

12 Years a Slave and possibly The Hurt Locker will be remembered and studied because of the importance of the historic events they depict

Return of the King will be remembered and the subject of some papers and critiques for many years to come

>>65080937
Yes, it will be remembered and studied.

Nice kino 9/10

Nightcrawler should have won Best Picture

better than The Revenant tbqh

>>65080937

Because it is blatant rip-off "The making of The Shining" documentary.

http://youtu.be/79nhuWA9lNE

Tfw people are starting to rip-off Kubric's daughter, lel.

>>65080972
Nah, Drive should've won that year

well lets go through the list of the past few years

>crash

more like trash

>the departed

enjoyable flick, not much more

>no country for old men

enjoyable flick, not much more

>slumdog millionaire

pleb garbage

>the hurt locker

mostly enjoyable movie but not much new or interesting

>the king's speech

reddit tier oscar bait

>the artist

fedora meme

>argo

how the fuck did this mediocre shit win?

>12 years a slave

well made but mostly empty. mcqueen really let me down with this one and if it's remembered it will be for its historical significance not its quality as a film

>birdman

reddit: the film


i seriously doubt anyone would bother studying birdman beyond the technical details of its one continuous shot meme

it will only be studied in $50k/semester film schools as how to please the academy enough so they upboat you, simultaneously establishing an artsy cred with the studios all the while making your money back

it has all the self-indulgence and fantasy-enablement of american film making. if you can't see that, you have literally nothing worthwhile to offer cinema.

>>65081627
>i seriously doubt anyone would bother studying birdman beyond the technical details of its one continuous shot meme

Literally poetry

>>65081627
>trash
>flick
>garbage
>reddit
>oscar bait
>fedora
>meme
>shit

10/10 criticism

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>>65081627
>crash
>more like trash

>>65081627
nice meme buzzwords

>>65081627
holy shit are you me

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>>65080937

>Veiled capeshit with a meta-theme

Yeah, it's already been buried.

>>65081627
You are pathetic, crawl back to reddit or whatever other cockloving place you came from

>>65081627
Quality: The Post

An Inarritu flick is the equivalent of a poetry recital featuring Ingwie Malmstein

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>>65081876
>Veiled capeshit

>>65081627
This is the state of /tv/ in January 2016

Thanks, Yakisoba. Let's hope before we hit the final ground you sudoku.

>>65080937
visually amazing. everything else sucked. I could watch this movie on mute and just enjoy the visuals

>>65082086
Why did it 'suck'?

no country for old men was p.good senpai

>>65082132
Why argue with the guy? You're not going to convince each other.

>>65082175
In my experience, people don't argue on 4chan for convincing one another. The reasons clearly are others.

>>65082175
don't give up that easy
>>65082132
i'll just prefix "for me" "for me everything else sucked"

maybe you liked it. I love the cinematography of it. Including the memecuts, fake or not.

>>65080937
By default, every Oscar winner will be remembered and studied, just in varied degrees. For a simple and generalist example, people who care about the history of the institution, the main award or the context of wins through time.

So, no, the proposition is obviously wrong. And if you try to argue with "but and the normal people", well, normal people don't remember what they ate on on their breakfast 3 days ago.

>>65082234
For you?

>>65082381
>normal people don't remember what they ate on on their breakfast 3 days ago.

What if they always eat the same thing on breakfast?

>>65082420

Checked and mated.

>absolute savagery reported today as violence broke out in a peruvian embroidery club over. a reason for the carnage? discussing western movie awards

>>65082420
>this guy

>>65081999
Why are you so new?

>>65082420
>Americans are so poor they can't even eat different things every day

lel

I'll be enjoying my delicious diverse meals EVERY SINGLE DAY

>>65081283
do youll really enjoy it. my favourite film and comfy as fuck

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>>65080937
Sure you're not talking about this extremely memorable masterpiece?

>>65082693
Does it need to be memorable? It was a fine thriller a very good time at the movies.

>>65082781
For it to be remembered and studied in 30 years, as OP describes, "memorable" is a pretty big selling point.

>>65081627
>the artist
>fedora meme
kek

>>65081390
What the fuck is historically important about the Hurt Locker?

>>65083094
At least for the moment, it's the most high-profile and acclaimed film on the Iraq War.

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Spotlight is honestly the best journalism film since All The President's Men.

I think this film will actually be shown in JOURNALISM classes - which is more important than film.

30 years, ey? Let's look at '80s films and see what has been remembered:

1980: Ordinary People
1981: Chariots of Fire
1982: Gandhi
1983: Terms of Endearment
1984: Amadeus
1985: Out of Africa
1986: Platoon
1987: The Last Emperor
1988: Rain Man
1989: Driving Miss Daisy

There's only 3 films there that I would say people still talk about Platoon, Amadeus and Rain Man.

From those 3, I reckon people have most likely only seen 1 - Platoon.

Conclusion: Oscars stink.

>>65081390
why does everyone like 12 Years a Slave?

>>65080937
>>65083596
No, no this a simplistic and stupid view. The Oscars don't stink, you and the' people' just aren't much interested in cinema. And that's ok. But the pretense of taste and knowledge is ridiculous.
In the 10 winners from the 80's- as for any other decade- there would be for the interested, lots of content to be appreciated, studied or simply get acquainted with. They aren't the best or most memorable films of their year in the vast majority of the cases, but they never needed to be to have value.

>>65083664
it's a good film. it justifies the fact that it got made and it's a non-fiction work moreso than Amadeus.

I didn't think the POV shift would make as much difference but its honestly a different film to if a white guy had directed it. In particular McQueen making a special point of shitting on Christianity wasn't remotely oscar-baity.

i agree, it was a great flick

>>65083194
this ludicrous thing is that it's only as high-profile and acclaimed to avoid giving James Cameron more oscars. the Academy literally organized and sought out something other than Avatar to vote for, one of the only cases where that has actually happened.

>>65080937
It has a gimmick that will stay for a long time for sure
>>65081390
nobody even talks or remembers 12ys nowadays

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>>65083913
It was made by a nigger from the isles not an American nigger so I don't see how that is significant, and it is hokey as all hell. It's also already forgotten anyway.

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Spotlight is going to win Best Picture this year.

Filmmakers are going to see that the secret ingredient to Best Picture films is pic related.

>>65083980
Could have been worse, family. In the everything-but-Avatar business, votes could have been too splitted and Precious... or The Blind Side could have won.

>>65084071
Keaton is a nice guy, but I sure hope not. Spotlight would be another 'safe' best picture winner.

>>65081627
All the memes aside, this is correct, all the past Oscar winners have been horrible.

>>65080937
Just watched it and .... its ok, i guess.
I really liked the one take gimmick, acting was great, but the script? What the fuck went down there at the end?
All the plot lines go nowhere, everything just ends so abruptly to end on that weird ass ending. Also that had to be the fastest a guy can go insane, he went from a functioning producer of a play into insane psychopath in few days. Maybe if they paced it out better, the time skips dont help.

ut yeah, definitively overrated, the script could use a lot of cleanup.

>>65082132
i was wondering the same thing
"why does tv hate birdman?"
well, its not really a surprise, but i still have no idea
reddit meme reddit meme reddit meme thats the whole criticism

>>65084071
The Revenant is winning this year because muh white guilt for killing natives

>>65084330
>he went from a functioning producer of a play into insane psychopath in few days.
He was hallucinating from the beginning of the film, it just got worse the more stressed he was.

>>65081627
>the departed
>just a flick

literally jump off a cliff and land in reddit you tasteless swine

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Birdman? More like Turdman!

I'd rather be shit on by a thousand bald eagles with uncontrollable diarrhoea than sit through this unholy avian abomination again!

I'd rather have a frog crawl up my asshole and a tadpole shoot up my dick than have to experience this heinous anus pisshole factory excuse for a motion picture!

It looks like one long take? More like one long shit!

Michael Keaton is going through hell? Not as much hell as he's puttin' the fuckin' audience through!

If I wanted to see a play, I'd go see a fuckin' play! What were they thinking?!

>>65083376
Spotlight was straight up garbage.

>>65083376
how fucking out of place does keaton look in that picture

>>65085997
Does he?

>>65086077
he's the only one balding, his shirt is less subdued than the other ones. and he's on anon's mind because of the OP.

Whiplash was better

>>65086320
Not really, just the banter and the final scene, which is probably the best of the year and top of the decade.

>>65085910
helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
REDDIT!!!

>>65082175

Arguments aren't about convincing the other guy you're right and they're wrong, you will literally never do that. The only reason to argue is to understand the topic more deeply, because even though they may have a different conclusion they will have noticed things you did not and vice versa. Don't be so boring egotistical.

No it was only an ok movie.
2.5/5
Not oscar material desu

>>65086320
this senpai

>>65086320
>>65086550
no it wasn't

>>65086588

yes it was

>>65086588
it actually was tbqhwy
watch it again

>>65086595
explain why faggot

>>65086588
whiplash was a story
birdman was a memefest with a gimmick
>le return of the superhero man
>le one shot
>crazy side characters (look I can do the coen brothers thing too!!!1!!! xD)

fuck off innaritu

>>65086624
>watch it again
i watched both Birdman and Whiplash three times and evry single time Birdman was better

>>65086634

you first

>>65086634
>>65086672
hello reddit!

>>65080937

All That Jazz was the superior film, given that Birdman is just an updated version. The aesthetic is better, granted, but ATJ had a much better plot that doesn't rely on an open-ended finale to boost discussion of the film.

>>65085789
You should at least watch it before talking shit about it.

>>65086654
>le screaming asshole teacher
>le pointless dinner family scene with a bunch of characters we've never seen and have no reason to care about that's only point is to establish how Miles Teller's character is becoming an asshole in pursuit of perfection
>the scene where he dumos hi gf later on does that much better
>this showed uncreativity and lazy writing
>if it wasn't for the high eenrgy finale Whiplash would be just mediocre
And thats the thing Birdman is relentles and energetic from beginnig to the end while Whiplash isn't

>>65081505
Jack looks like so much fun.

>>65081876
>veiled capeshit
what the fuck are you talking about lol

>>65086860
>le screaming asshole teacher
I played in jazz bands growing up and these people very much exist.

>>65085796
disagree
at start hes nether schizophrenic not in a state of psychosis
he clearly knows the voice in his head is him, or more exactly the person he wanted to be, birdman, also he perfectly knwos he has no powers, but likes to imagine himself having them
what he does has a name, maladaptive daydreaming. he wants to see himself as birman since he hates his life
hes anti social and has anger managed issues, but hes not psychopathic

yet somehow over a spam what must have been few days he seemed to lost any connection with people around him and his dreams contradict each other constantly
while he was suicidal at low points in his life, he still dreams of success and fame, we constantly get those 2 opposing directions for him shown towards the end of the movie
i mean when he gets on top of the building he talks to himself about coming back big, yet tries to jump and seems surprised he is there? thats behavior of a schizophrenic who has no clue whats real, when did that happen?
then he wants to shoot himself on the stage? why? ether he ares for the play or he dosnt anymore.

i know its just a movie, but sloppy things like this drag the whole movie down for me

and fuck me was his daughter a spoiled brat or what

>>65086696
>better acting
>better directing
>better writing
>better cinematography
>better ending
that enough for you plebo

>>65086860
Saying "le" before each sentence makes you sound like an idiot

>>65086985
>better acting
subjective
>better directing
subjective
>better writing
subjective
>better cinematography
subjective
>better ending
le ebin drum solo ;D

>>65087023
that's the point you dip

>>65086985
whiplash had
>better acting
>better directing
>better writing
>better cinematography
>better ending
that enough for you plebian

>>65083980
They then ended up giving it to his ex-wife. You're on to something here.

Birdman is a testament to the art of filmmaking. Every aspect of it exceeds in its art from the acting to the tracking shots. It also works brilliantly as a critique against the modern capeshit but on the surface examines the fragile human ego. Anyone who fails to recognize this is a pleb.

>>65084017
>It won't be remembered because it was made by a nigger
Is that you're only point?

It's going to get remembered for being the film that won instead of Boyhole.

>>65085910
TO LET YOU FUCK HIS WIFE IN THE ASS

>People think a medium created solely for entertainment and profit is art

Most best picture films are forgotten anyway.

>>65086981
The film doesn't do a great job with the time cuts, but I'm fairly certain the film takes place over months.

>he clearly knows the voice in his head is him, or more exactly the person he wanted to be, birdman, also he perfectly knwos he has no powers, but likes to imagine himself having them
I don't really see it being a big jump to go from creating personalities in your head to believing they are real.

>>65087321
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO MAKE!!!

>>65081390
I forgot the Hurt Locker even happened until now

>>65080937
>would you agree with this proposition, if not explain why
absolutely no way. there have been far too many oscar-winners for birdman to be the only one rememberd only 30 years from now. besides it's not that good

>>65087350
This.

>>65087310
Fucking illiterate niggers in my 4chan.

They made a Harvey Birdman movie?

>>65087265
This post is a testament to your immense stupidity. End your life.

Speaking of musicals, how is The Book of Mormon?

>>65087265
filmmaking is not art you shit.
jesus can these pretentious fucks go back to reddit already?

>birdman is a super hero movie
What? Did anyone in this thread watch the movie?

>>65081390
lol, you couldn't have picked two more mediocre movies. No one talks about those movies now, and they didn't do anything unique or original regarding their subject matter.

>>65087147
>J.K Simmons was the only one who gave a great performance in Whiplash, everybody gave a great performance in birdman
>there wasn't a single scene in Whiplash that requiered a more significant level of directorial mastery,in Birdman the entire movie did
>a more complexed story with better and more intriguing characters and not a single shit cringey scene like the dinner scene in Whiplash
>better cinematography(just kill yourself)
>Birdman had a better ending because it made people think more, about the ending itself , and about the events that happen prior to the ending(not that you would care since you still have to master the art of thinking it seems)

>>65081627
literally /tv/: the post

also, agree almost entirely. nice work zenpie.

ITT: Reddit

End your lives, you miserable faggots

>>65087507
yes it is you retard

>>65087507
>jesus can these pretentious fucks go back to reddit already?
Why can't you IQlet plebs go back instead? These guys have been here longer than you

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here's the deal faggots:
whiplash was trying to be cinema: it achieved this
birdman was trying to be kino: it failed miserably and was only cinema AT BEST

pro-tip: there is nothing you can say to refute this

>>65081627
but both the artist and kings speech were >fun

>>65087599
literally everything is wrong about this, but especially the part about Birdman having a better ending.

>because it made people think more

pfft.

>''oh wow, was it real or wasn't it, what did all mean?''

it was a fucking empty ending that meant nothing, and was tacked on just to impress simple souls like you who get all hot and bothered by ambiguous ''le mindfuck'' endings regardless of whether there is actually any artistic profundity to them.

it was contrived. it was ambiguity for the sake of ambiguity, because, hey, we're making an ART film here guys, and those have to end like this. right?

>>65080937
>the proposition

What? If you want to make serious art you need to attempt suicide in public?

ok fair enough

>>65087894
this kino/cinema/film/movie/flick meme is shit
no wonder the rest of 4chan considers /tv/ to be reddit 2.0

>>65088023
this quote unquote "meme" that is a real thing has been on this board longer than you've been on 4chan

>>65087952
so according to you the ending of Whiplash also must have meant nothing, because the ending in Whiplash is ambiguous too
also the more you think about a movie the better it was,if you think about the movie less, if you forget about it faster, that means it was shittier.
Thats how patricians r8 the quality of a film, and you are not a patrician, you are an autistic
P-L-E-B
end of story

Birdman is literally one of the top 3 most reddit films of all time. It's an anti-White hot button SJW cuckfest, it has meme dialogue and meme catchphrase spouting meme characters and was a meme to be seen praising since the trailer first dropped. Whiplash and Nightcrawler are reddit btw. I'm just picking Birdman to reveal that you redditors have no idea what you're talking about. If you're saying Birdmeme isn't meme then you may as well be saying that water isn't wet. It's 2 hours of cuckoldry and upvote scenes.

>>65088164
whatever it is it's shit
just like this board

Terms is good

>>65088431
haha!

>>65080937
No.
Because.
They are already forcing children to watch 12 Years a Pleb in schools.

>>65081627
fuck you for wasting your time to do this