>this is the only oscar-winner that'll actually be remembered and studied 30 years from now
would you agree with this proposition, if not explain why
12 Years a Slave and possibly The Hurt Locker will be remembered and studied because of the importance of the historic events they depict
Return of the King will be remembered and the subject of some papers and critiques for many years to come
well lets go through the list of the past few years
more like trash
enjoyable flick, not much more
>no country for old men
enjoyable flick, not much more
>the hurt locker
mostly enjoyable movie but not much new or interesting
>the king's speech
reddit tier oscar bait
how the fuck did this mediocre shit win?
>12 years a slave
well made but mostly empty. mcqueen really let me down with this one and if it's remembered it will be for its historical significance not its quality as a film
reddit: the film
i seriously doubt anyone would bother studying birdman beyond the technical details of its one continuous shot meme
it will only be studied in $50k/semester film schools as how to please the academy enough so they upboat you, simultaneously establishing an artsy cred with the studios all the while making your money back
it has all the self-indulgence and fantasy-enablement of american film making. if you can't see that, you have literally nothing worthwhile to offer cinema.
>Veiled capeshit with a meta-theme
Yeah, it's already been buried.
don't give up that easy
i'll just prefix "for me" "for me everything else sucked"
maybe you liked it. I love the cinematography of it. Including the memecuts, fake or not.
By default, every Oscar winner will be remembered and studied, just in varied degrees. For a simple and generalist example, people who care about the history of the institution, the main award or the context of wins through time.
So, no, the proposition is obviously wrong. And if you try to argue with "but and the normal people", well, normal people don't remember what they ate on on their breakfast 3 days ago.
Sure you're not talking about this extremely memorable masterpiece?
Spotlight is honestly the best journalism film since All The President's Men.
I think this film will actually be shown in JOURNALISM classes - which is more important than film.
30 years, ey? Let's look at '80s films and see what has been remembered:
1980: Ordinary People
1981: Chariots of Fire
1983: Terms of Endearment
1985: Out of Africa
1987: The Last Emperor
1988: Rain Man
1989: Driving Miss Daisy
There's only 3 films there that I would say people still talk about Platoon, Amadeus and Rain Man.
From those 3, I reckon people have most likely only seen 1 - Platoon.
Conclusion: Oscars stink.
No, no this a simplistic and stupid view. The Oscars don't stink, you and the' people' just aren't much interested in cinema. And that's ok. But the pretense of taste and knowledge is ridiculous.
In the 10 winners from the 80's- as for any other decade- there would be for the interested, lots of content to be appreciated, studied or simply get acquainted with. They aren't the best or most memorable films of their year in the vast majority of the cases, but they never needed to be to have value.
it's a good film. it justifies the fact that it got made and it's a non-fiction work moreso than Amadeus.
I didn't think the POV shift would make as much difference but its honestly a different film to if a white guy had directed it. In particular McQueen making a special point of shitting on Christianity wasn't remotely oscar-baity.
this ludicrous thing is that it's only as high-profile and acclaimed to avoid giving James Cameron more oscars. the Academy literally organized and sought out something other than Avatar to vote for, one of the only cases where that has actually happened.
It was made by a nigger from the isles not an American nigger so I don't see how that is significant, and it is hokey as all hell. It's also already forgotten anyway.
Spotlight is going to win Best Picture this year.
Filmmakers are going to see that the secret ingredient to Best Picture films is pic related.
Just watched it and .... its ok, i guess.
I really liked the one take gimmick, acting was great, but the script? What the fuck went down there at the end?
All the plot lines go nowhere, everything just ends so abruptly to end on that weird ass ending. Also that had to be the fastest a guy can go insane, he went from a functioning producer of a play into insane psychopath in few days. Maybe if they paced it out better, the time skips dont help.
ut yeah, definitively overrated, the script could use a lot of cleanup.
>he went from a functioning producer of a play into insane psychopath in few days.
He was hallucinating from the beginning of the film, it just got worse the more stressed he was.
Birdman? More like Turdman!
I'd rather be shit on by a thousand bald eagles with uncontrollable diarrhoea than sit through this unholy avian abomination again!
I'd rather have a frog crawl up my asshole and a tadpole shoot up my dick than have to experience this heinous anus pisshole factory excuse for a motion picture!
It looks like one long take? More like one long shit!
Michael Keaton is going through hell? Not as much hell as he's puttin' the fuckin' audience through!
If I wanted to see a play, I'd go see a fuckin' play! What were they thinking?!
Arguments aren't about convincing the other guy you're right and they're wrong, you will literally never do that. The only reason to argue is to understand the topic more deeply, because even though they may have a different conclusion they will have noticed things you did not and vice versa. Don't be so boring egotistical.
whiplash was a story
birdman was a memefest with a gimmick
>le return of the superhero man
>le one shot
>crazy side characters (look I can do the coen brothers thing too!!!1!!! xD)
fuck off innaritu
All That Jazz was the superior film, given that Birdman is just an updated version. The aesthetic is better, granted, but ATJ had a much better plot that doesn't rely on an open-ended finale to boost discussion of the film.
>le screaming asshole teacher
>le pointless dinner family scene with a bunch of characters we've never seen and have no reason to care about that's only point is to establish how Miles Teller's character is becoming an asshole in pursuit of perfection
>the scene where he dumos hi gf later on does that much better
>this showed uncreativity and lazy writing
>if it wasn't for the high eenrgy finale Whiplash would be just mediocre
And thats the thing Birdman is relentles and energetic from beginnig to the end while Whiplash isn't
at start hes nether schizophrenic not in a state of psychosis
he clearly knows the voice in his head is him, or more exactly the person he wanted to be, birdman, also he perfectly knwos he has no powers, but likes to imagine himself having them
what he does has a name, maladaptive daydreaming. he wants to see himself as birman since he hates his life
hes anti social and has anger managed issues, but hes not psychopathic
yet somehow over a spam what must have been few days he seemed to lost any connection with people around him and his dreams contradict each other constantly
while he was suicidal at low points in his life, he still dreams of success and fame, we constantly get those 2 opposing directions for him shown towards the end of the movie
i mean when he gets on top of the building he talks to himself about coming back big, yet tries to jump and seems surprised he is there? thats behavior of a schizophrenic who has no clue whats real, when did that happen?
then he wants to shoot himself on the stage? why? ether he ares for the play or he dosnt anymore.
i know its just a movie, but sloppy things like this drag the whole movie down for me
and fuck me was his daughter a spoiled brat or what
Birdman is a testament to the art of filmmaking. Every aspect of it exceeds in its art from the acting to the tracking shots. It also works brilliantly as a critique against the modern capeshit but on the surface examines the fragile human ego. Anyone who fails to recognize this is a pleb.
The film doesn't do a great job with the time cuts, but I'm fairly certain the film takes place over months.
>he clearly knows the voice in his head is him, or more exactly the person he wanted to be, birdman, also he perfectly knwos he has no powers, but likes to imagine himself having them
I don't really see it being a big jump to go from creating personalities in your head to believing they are real.
>would you agree with this proposition, if not explain why
absolutely no way. there have been far too many oscar-winners for birdman to be the only one rememberd only 30 years from now. besides it's not that good
>J.K Simmons was the only one who gave a great performance in Whiplash, everybody gave a great performance in birdman
>there wasn't a single scene in Whiplash that requiered a more significant level of directorial mastery,in Birdman the entire movie did
>a more complexed story with better and more intriguing characters and not a single shit cringey scene like the dinner scene in Whiplash
>better cinematography(just kill yourself)
>Birdman had a better ending because it made people think more, about the ending itself , and about the events that happen prior to the ending(not that you would care since you still have to master the art of thinking it seems)
here's the deal faggots:
whiplash was trying to be cinema: it achieved this
birdman was trying to be kino: it failed miserably and was only cinema AT BEST
pro-tip: there is nothing you can say to refute this
literally everything is wrong about this, but especially the part about Birdman having a better ending.
>because it made people think more
>''oh wow, was it real or wasn't it, what did all mean?''
it was a fucking empty ending that meant nothing, and was tacked on just to impress simple souls like you who get all hot and bothered by ambiguous ''le mindfuck'' endings regardless of whether there is actually any artistic profundity to them.
it was contrived. it was ambiguity for the sake of ambiguity, because, hey, we're making an ART film here guys, and those have to end like this. right?
so according to you the ending of Whiplash also must have meant nothing, because the ending in Whiplash is ambiguous too
also the more you think about a movie the better it was,if you think about the movie less, if you forget about it faster, that means it was shittier.
Thats how patricians r8 the quality of a film, and you are not a patrician, you are an autistic
end of story
Birdman is literally one of the top 3 most reddit films of all time. It's an anti-White hot button SJW cuckfest, it has meme dialogue and meme catchphrase spouting meme characters and was a meme to be seen praising since the trailer first dropped. Whiplash and Nightcrawler are reddit btw. I'm just picking Birdman to reveal that you redditors have no idea what you're talking about. If you're saying Birdmeme isn't meme then you may as well be saying that water isn't wet. It's 2 hours of cuckoldry and upvote scenes.