>hate leads to dark side
>love leads to dark side
>fear leads to dark side
>wanting-to-save-your-loved-ones leads to dark side
So, basic human emotions? What the fuck is wrong with it? According to Star Wars, being a good person equals being an emotionless automaton.
Yup, emotions are the cause of all pain, war, violence, and destruction among the human race.
Make sure you take your injection.
>Jedi have a big code determining what they can and can't do
>they stick to it and there's peace for 1000 generations
>one guy breaks the code
>becomes one of the most evil people in the galaxy and helps enforces a tyrannical regime
Yes, this clearly proves that the jedi code was wrong
He didn't like the fact that the Moffs were treating it as the greatest thing in the galaxy when its just a gimmick. He was perfectly fine with using it to blow up any planet that the rebels were on.
It was, because the code forced his relationship into secrecy, if he could have been open about it he wouldn't have been seduced by Sheev into becoming his apprentice
Also the Jedi were the ones who trained him anyways, so its their fault they put him in position to do what he eventually did
>Council: Anakin has more mini floridians than even Yoda, he is strong with the force
>Anakin: I keep having terrifying visions every night of my mother, who you tore me away from before I was old enough to have hair on my sack, being brutally tortured and raped by sand people, it's distressing me a lot please help
>Council: Suck it up retard just keep chasing down assassins for us you fucking peon
Is it really any wonder why he turned out so fucked in the head? They repeated the same shit with Padme dying in childbirth too. Really Sheev is the only one who gave him any advice or hope, the Jedi just told him to suck it up and quit being a wuss.
Also the Jedi just willingly accepted an entire army of sentient human beings who were bred and grown for the sole purpose of being cannon fodder soldiers with no discussions on the morality of such.
Lucas' morals and idea of "good" are completely out of touch with reality.
the whole idea that his love lead him to the dark side is asinine. why not just have her health deteriorate throughout the movies, and show the jedi trying to get him to accept the death. instead, he rejects that and tries to save a girl he loves with the force (a reasonable ans sympathetic action).
The Order wasn't a school, it was a religious group that had amassed great political power within the Republic, that indoctrinated and trained children from a young age to fight.
>J-Jediism is a religion of peace!
>Really Sheev is the only one who gave him any advice or hope
yeah the whole "I know how to save people from dying, please kill all of these younglings for me oh wait shit I actually don't know oh well go kill these separatists for me" was really great mentoring on his part
Nailing that pussy is not a legitimate reason to bring down the government and become the authoritarian super hitler of the galaxy. 'True love' is not worth more than trillions of lives, regardless of how sexy Hershlag is.
honestly this is entirely Lucas' fault. If anything, the OT gives the impression that the Jedi were very few in number and did very little fighting
but Star Wars has to be an action movie, so if you have the Jedi at their prime, there better be thousands of them who do nothing but practice swordfighting and get involved in politics
Literally the only thing wrong with the Jedi in the prequels were that their uniform was moisture farmer robes.
Anything else you perceive as being wrong is just your retardation and missing the entire point of the prequels.
Not even incompetence half the time. Captain Veda got legitimately duped by an ex-Imperial pilot flying the fastest freighter in the galaxy, goes to apologize and take full responsibility to spare the lives of his crew, and gets choked to death for it.
I didn't say the plot was fucked, I said the logic of the plot was fucked. Lucas wrote Anakin to be a tragic character whose innocent romance justified his actions as a traitor and a mass murderer, when really he damned the entire galaxy to save Hershlag pussy. And then he continued committing atrocities and holocausts throughout the galaxy for years on end because he couldn't save Hershlag pussy.
He became Darth Vader because of pussy. All the Jedi are dead because of pussy. Palpatine won because of pussy. From my point of view, the pussy is evil.
Even if he nailed that pussy his punishment is just exile, nothing more
He won't get jailed since its not a crime
He won't get executed since Jedi do not kill their prisoners
He won't even get cut from the Force since he's one of their more reliable Jedi
Obi-wan fucked up by not telling the Order that Anakin got married and was banging Hershlag on the side
Yeah, and castration is just practicing safe sex.
It's repressing emotions to an unhealthy degree. If the Sith didn't exist, the Jedi that crack from the emotional strain would fucking create their own crazy emotion cult.
The Jedi basically train future school shooters.
>when really he damned the entire galaxy to save Hershlag pussy
Anakin was twisted from the beginning. I find it kind of disturbing how people don't see this. The kid was fucked up and only became moreso as the prequels continued.
>I don't understand visual storytelling.
We know who the bad guys are within the first minute of the fucking movie. Do you need to be spoonfed expository dialogue to figure everything out or do you not have even the slightest ability to infer?
>the Jedi Order was just as corrupt as the Sith
how were the Jedi Order corrupt? When did they go against their own teachings or act contrary to the well-being of the Republic?
They were incompetent as fuck, sure, but how were they corrupt?
So.... every story told by Obi Wan to Luke was complete fucking fabrication in order to hide the fact that his father was an emotionally stunted retard who complained a lot and is easily tricked?
Good post. This sentence illustrates everything wrong with the prequels. The undid or contradicted everything established in the original trilogy.
>So, basic human emotions?
Since fucking when basic human emotions are automatically good?
Philosophy and ethics over millenia mostly argued about whether they are bad, period, or only bad if not firmly kept in check by reason.
And eastern Taoist/Buddhist bullshit which inspired Jedi was usually on the position of "bad, period".
Humans aren't Vulcans, and writing a story that's basically a character drama where the protagonist is surrounded by a bunch of boring, emotionless, inhuman characters while being a mostly emotionless asshole himself makes for a boring fucking movie.
I guess so? I don't think Anakin was evil from the beginning but he was definitely twisted; he lusted for power to force everything the way he wanted, even in episode one. That doesn't mean everything he did was wrong. He became worse over time. As people do.
Yeah, the Jedi are sort of like stoic adjuncts to the Socialist Republic.
the bigger problem is that it makes Vader's redemption at the end of S3 nonsensical. He was always a violent angry asshole
The prequels really should have gone with an older Anakin who genuinely cared about the people of the Republic and ended up getting fooled by the promises of an idealistic leader who turned out to be evil. Anakin could have sold out because he thought more power would have improved the greater good and it would have made sense. Or just gone with the "one day I'll come back and free all the slaves" angle that was set up in Episode 1
Instead all Anakin cares about is his personal strength and Padme, and never shows anything resembling concern for the other people in the Republic. Hell, he doesn't care at all about politics beyond his "I support a fascist dictatorship" chat with Padme while they're frolicking. The prequels set up so much random politics and left Anakin completely out of it until the last 15 minutes, I still don't get it
>Lucas wrote Anakin to be a tragic character whose innocent romance justified his actions as a traitor and a mass murderer
What in the world made you imagine that Anakin's actions were supposed to be remotely justified?
>when really he damned the entire galaxy to save Hershlag pussy.
Yes. Did was not enough of a hint that he's supposed to be a bad guy, yet?
>He became Darth Vader because of pussy. All the Jedi are dead because of pussy. Palpatine won because of pussy. From my point of view, the pussy is evil.
The book from which the entirety of world literature grew was about every hero in the known world killing each other because of pussy. Not even pussy any but two of them could hope to get.
>undid or contradicted everything established in the original trilogy
No they didn't.
Obi-Wan not wanting to see Anakin's faults and descent until it was too late does not contradict everything the originals established.
Obi-Wan lied to Luke because he didn't want Luke to find out Darth Vader is his father.
The fucking retards on this board that can't comprehend children's movies.
Prior to the prequels, Darth Vader was an anti-alien holocaust machine because he genuinely believed the dark side would bring order and progress to the galaxy. After the prequels, Darth Vader was an asshole because he couldn't fuck anymore.
>They did everything in their power to stay relevant in the Republic
they never started coups, secret military projects, organised assassinations, or attacked Republic planets, which are all things that the Sith did. They did fuck all to influence the political landscape of the Republic
how did they abuse their power to stay relevant?
You're supposed to sympathize with Anakin. Hes still a villain because LOL YOUNGLINGS, but Lucas intended that you should nevertheless sympathize with Anakin's honest feelings to protect the things that make his life worth living. Thats the point of his tragic romance.
>going to arrest/kill Palpatine after Grievous' death before giving him the chance to resign as Supreme Chancellor because a fucking kid THINKS he's the Sith Lord is not a coup/organized assassination
I agree with this, and I think this is where the prequels failed the most. Everybody hated Anakin as he never seemed more than a petulant faggot. I think I hated him mostly for his ugly dialog.
Nobody ever loved Anakin and so nobody cared when he fell.
>but Lucas intended that you should nevertheless sympathize with Anakin's honest feelings to protect the things that make his life worth living
Lucas outright said that just as Luke was supposed to grow to be a good guy, Anakin was supposed to be a bad guy.
the force is what the white hipies understand from buddhism and they conclude like you, up to claiming that it is OK to have sex as long as you do not have feelings. this is why many white women love what they understand from budhism.
this is wrong though
the point is really that there is no difference, on the level of existence, between what you call daily life and what you call death and after death.
the purpose of the dhamma is to reach, BEFORE YOU DIE, a happiness that is worth it [=permanent, irremediable], and to reach this you must be resolute to reach it as an hedonist, after you gain stream entry, you still care, but less and you know that you cannot really escape the path.
it runs out that reaching this happiness leads you to reach knowledge and ethics.
your daily life has always been the same: you seek happiness through your identification of what you call your ego.self/persona with your emotions/ideas and it fails miserably, day after day, year after year. the manifestation of this failure is
-you still have pains
-you cannot avoid pains to cease
-your aversion towards pains, which turn into suffering
-you still have avidity towards pleasures
-you struggle to reach pleasures
-you struggle to keep pleasures
-you cannot avoid pleasures to cease
-you still have hate, greed, resentment which leads to both pleasures and displeasures for you, and displeasure for others
all of this stems form you taking seriously your emotions, feelings, fantasies....
kamma is just activity, or rather ''creation'', or desire of becoming as many say which is precisely your choice to identify with your hedonistic misery.. as an hedonist, and atheist hedonist, you think that your daily life differs from what you call death [and by the way, you have no certainty that you will die, yet you claim to have faith in your death] but there is no difference.
He didn't go there to kill the chancellor, he wanted to arrest him on reasonable suspicion of being aligned with the Sith. The chancellor pulling out his red lightsaber and spinning three knights/masters to death proved those suspicions to be true. I know its a lot to ask, but I think you need to rewatch the movie again.
>So it's okay to kill someone because someone else said so?
I think it was more the "it's OK to kill someone who is unambiguously a Sith Lord considering that he just killed 3 of the top Jedi with a lightsabre and has been shooting lightning in your face for the last 30 seconds while screaming about unlimited power"
Wace Mindu went there to arrest him and when instead, he was attacked and Polypatine killed the other juden, decided to kill him because it was pretty fucking obvious he was a shitlord.
>>He became Darth Vader because of pussy.
yes, this shows how much a weakling lucas and star wars fags are. this is a total lack of creativity...
What proof did they have that Palpatine was a criminal, he had done nothing wrong.
When Palpatine was given more power as Supreme Chancellor during the war, he promised to give up his position as supreme chancellor when Grievous dies.
Windu went to see Palpatine after Anakin told him that he THINKS Sheev is the Sith Lord, and after getting confirmation from Obi-Wan that Grievous is dead.
Now, instead of telling Sheev that Grievous is dead and demanding his stepping down, he attacked Sheev on the pretense that he was a Sith Lord.
If Windu had told Sheev Grievous was dead and Sheev didn't step down, his attack would've been legal.
Instead Windu acted as judge, jury and executioner with no proof, giving Sheev just the perfect justification on turning the Republic to an Empire.
The spacejews weren't against platonic love, but the desire to possess, control, the passion (suffering) and attachment that goes along with romantic love. Those could be easily corrupted.
The rise of the empire didn't really have anything to do with the force or jedi anyway. I mean yeah, Sheev was a sith, but the main reason the empire was created was because he amassed power politically and corrupted the senate. Sure he destroyed the jedi order, but even if he left them alive they would just continue losing relevance.
In a sane story, Sheev would have convinced the institutions that the Sith are worth keeping around. With all his political might, he could have raised a Sith temple alongside the Jedi temple and reduced the Jedi's influence even further that way to the point where there would be mass defections within the Jedi order. But no, UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
I don't think you understand what arresting someone means. You don't need incontrovertible proof that they are guilty, you just need strong enough evidence to bring them in for questioning.
If the Jedi are basically the police in this scenario, then Sheev confessed to a policeman that he was a criminal and then tried to influence him by promising future favour
That's definitely enough evidence to bring him in for further questioning to determine if it's all true. Especially considering that the Jedi had suspected him of being up to something for weeks now
>Corrupted the senate.
I never remember this happening. He pretty much just told the senate he was dissolving the Republic for the sake of a new empire and they just clapped for him.
>I'm struggling morally on whether to help mace windu or sheev
>he was a good friend but I killed him to save pad Thai
Thank you anakin I won't tell you how to save pad Thai right now but go kill some younglings
>I will go kill some younglings, killing younglings is a good trick, sheev is a good friend
How could you deny this face, anon? Admit it. You'd kill younglings too.
wah things not explained means they're bad.
Part of the reasons the prequels suck is because they try to explain what doesn't need explaining. You're why they exist and are terrible.
I feel like what George was going for is: Being a Jedi gives you so much power that you shouldn't want to be a Jedi because you need to be an emotionless robot to do it right.
A great power, great responsibility type deal.
But there's no real downside to being Sith so it falls flat.
>Kill all of the separatist leaders while they are unarmed
>despite insisting Sheev get a trial not a day ago at most because he was unarmed
>MaxiPad and Oujia-Board Konami show up
>MaxiPad asks if I killed younglings
>Decide to choke the woman I did all this bullshit for to stop the pregnancy killing her
Why make three movies about a bunch of misinformed prideful fools being tricked by a total villain, making no progress and being completely inactive and incompetent on anything regarding the main story arc, culminating in the creation of an evil mass murderer from within. Star Wars was optimistic and fun, why make a trilogy that's a pessimistic tragedy?
Seriously Lucas actually worked intentionally on making these three films feel like impotent bureaucracy, uselessness in the face of total annihilation, and frustration towards incompetence and disrespect. All the heroes completely fail at the end and all of their successes throughout the trilogy were meaningless and they were only tricked into thinking they won ever. The finale is the main character being dismembered and burned, going on life support and becoming Hitler.
This was all Lucas' intention and no matter how much it makes sense it's not something anyone would choose to become attached to in the spirit of fun. George Lucas isn't stupid or incompetent, he legitimately chose to tell a mean-spirited and pessimistic story. It's not heroic escapism in space, it's terrible reality featuring supernatural oppression.
Video title - Star Wars: The Bear Awakens (or the Awakening of the Bear)
The dog in the end that has an annoying voice is Ukrainian. He goes "this is our planet, this is our solar system, this is our galaxy"
> Star Wars was optimistic and fun, why make a trilogy that's a pessimistic tragedy?
I am not complaining because but if any trilogy is pessimistic it is the sequel trilogy for changing the ending of a return of jedi.
>Pretty sure it's about not using your power to force your will on others
good jedi casually use Mind Bend or whatever the fuck on others
pretty sure that constitutes as forceing your will on others
The jedis aren't a sect u dumb fuck. You get in at young age but you aren't kidnapped and you can leave whenever you want. You don't have to murder them all if you disagree with their creed. To many jedis, especially anakin, the jedi order is a chance to get out of their shithole and actually live something else than a miserable life. Anakin is just an ungrateful prick
The sad thing is Lucas actually kind of knew what he was doing, but he was so fucking lazy with writing the script that he fucked it up.
See, Anakin was meant to be an Oedipus type figure. He was a slave with his mother, no daddy in the picture other than a space shylock who clearly hates him. The other slave kids didn't like him, he had to build his own friend. His mommy was his everything.
They wait too long to kill her. They should have killed her and gotten that out of the way in Episode I. Maul could have done it, given people a reason to hate him. Maybe have a scene where he talks with Sheev about finding a boy with the minichlorines and Sheev says to kill him, and he misses and kills momma bear protecting her boy instead.
Anakin isn't looking for poon in Padme (which unfortunately, Episode II fails to communicate). He's looking for a replacement mommy, he wants to replace his emotionally incestuous relationship with another. Attachment is the issue, and Anakin was deeply attached to his mother. Padme replaced her. It's not that the Jedi don't love, but the Jedi love is an oceanic love, you love everything and everyone as part of a system of harmony. But human love is like an island in that ocean, built up from the ego and expanding outwards while remaining internal.
Padme was also badly written. One of the scenes George cut was a telephone call between Padme and her family. This would have been an excellent opportunity for him to actually make her a complex character. She could have been talking about how her sisters were getting married and having babies while her eggs were drying up as she debated space trade routes in the senate. Of course the latter would be implied through her tone, you know the female "That's great" that really means "I am using every fiber of my being to not scream right now fucking kill me". Show Padme as a character that wants to be a mommy, a character that wants both a fulfilling career and a family life.
Padme should have been the more sexually assertive of the two. Anakin can make some stupid, cringey comments. He's a teenager, that's to be expected when he's talking with women. Anakin wants emotional closeness, but Padme wants babies and this hunky Jedi boytoy coincidentally assigned to be her body guard really fits the bill.
We should see their relationship develop as Anakin not only defends her, but she defends Anakin from threats. There shouldn't be a roll around in the grass love scene, this is star wars. We need adventure, not Anakin going to kill sandniggers. Maybe they pick up a lead and Padme pursues it, forcing Anakin to tag along. Anakin should be reluctant and Episode II should have established that Padme was drawing him off the path with her siren's song.
Mommy issues are ultimately the core of Anakin's fall. Trust is another issue that wasn't played up. The Jedi did not trust Anakin because he grew up outside the order. Instead of showing us how the Jedi don't trust him, we just listen to his retarded whining that makes him look entitled. Windu could have been played up as a Puritan, opposing Anakin's teaching and rise through the order at every turn.
And in Revenge, he just looks like an idiot who got played. Sheev's dialogue with Anakin was stupid. Sheev should have talked to him about his mommy issues directly. He should have identified that he was fucking Padme before Anakin told him shit. Anakin would be incredulous, HOW DID U KNO?
Then Sheev says it's fucking obvious, that anyone who was close to him could see it except for the Jedi because they're emotionally stunted retards. Sheev then deconstructs the fuck out of the Jedi and we watch Anakin's affiliation with them crumble in real time as Sheev leverages his weakness to undermine his teachings.
A woman being sexually assertive is not 'femdom' it's like a cat in heat presenting her ass to a tom. And nothing makes a human woman like that more than seeing women around her with babies.
I thought of The Reader (yes its a shitty book, and an even shittier movie, but the set up was ok)
>You will never live in a world where everyone is devoid of emotions, feelings, where relationships are selected by the state, and you are set up with whomever the state selects, and everyone is made to be colourblind
If that was the point they should have shown that Anakin wasn't the first person to feel this way, and that hundreds, even tens of thousands of jedis in history have gone astray like this causing great corruption and chaos, and each time the Jedi would increase their power in shutting it down, causing them to become more and more authoritarian and evil each time, until it got to the point with Anakin, and by then the Jedi were truly more or less as evil as the Sith
But that wasn't what Lucas did, he literally just said it was all good and working with the Jedis and their ways for literally 1000s of generations until Anakin fell out, and literally caused the republic to collapse and the Jedi order to be destroyed
>Je (ha) di
Seriously though, I have studied political Islam, and the concept of Jihad is actually really interesting, and in some ways, it parallels with Jedis. When you think about Jihad in Islam, it is meant to be for no purpose, but to serve the religion, there should be no emotional reasons, or moral reasons, just war for the sake of God.
You don't go for Jihad for liberation, or to fight corruption or evil, or to even help other Muslims from corruption, you fight simply for God (which means you fight for his commandment, that is to bring Islam to every corner of the world).
There was even a story from Muhammad's time about a great Jihadist warrior, who in battle, got into a duel with an enemy, and was fighting him fiercely, and eventually managed to overcome him, and the enemy soldier was on the ground. Before being killed by the Muslim warrior, the enemy soldier spat on the Muslim's face. The Muslim soldier already had his sword on the enemy soldier's neck, and was about to strike him, but after being spat on, he got even more enraged, and more eager to kill him. Then he stopped, and dropped his sword, and told the enemy soldier "I cannot kill you now". The enemy soldier asked why, and the Muslim told him, that "before I was fighting you for the sake of God, as Jihad. But now after you spat on me, I wanted to kill you because of what you did to me, and had I killed you then, it would not have been because I was fighting for God, but it would have been because I was personally angry at you, and that would not have been the way of Jihad, and thus I cannot kill you now".
The point of this story was, fighting in Jihad, cannot be for any worldly reason, or for any emotional reason, only for God. That is why a lot of terrorist groups don't fight Israel, or fight for Palestine, because that would be fighting for the liberation of the Palestinians, which is considered a worldly reason.