Tried out The Americans, Breaking Bad, Justified, The Leftovers and Fargo. All of them were absolutely, irredeemably terrible. Why is American TV drama so devoid of art?
>Tried out reddit's top 5, why is it so bad?
I'd say BB is just mediocre. It's exactly the same show with the same arcs as Sons of Anarchy. A bit of a stretch to say bad, but not great.
All the best shows are US though. The Sopranos is pretty widely hailed, but I do find I hate too many characters. Overall it's a good show, just often frustrating to watch. Definitely gets better as it goes on.
The Wire and Mad Men are my two favourite shows. Highly recommend them to anyone.
Found The Wire mediocre, terrible hamfisted dialogue, accurate sociology but overstated, visually bland, absurd character constructions, overpraised realism, formulaic, writers don't understand medium-specificity. One of the better US dramas but that's not saying much.
>The Americans, Breaking Bad, Justified, The Leftovers and Fargo
dude you chose the biggest pile of shit shows to base american dramas off of
the sopranos, the wire, mad men
these are our shows that made the modern golden age of the hour long drama
dont take the time to watch those shows
just fucking kill yourself
>Found The Wire mediocre, terrible hamfisted dialogue, accurate sociology but overstated, visually bland, absurd character constructions, overpraised realism, formulaic, writers don't understand medium-specificity. One of the better US dramas but that's not saying much.
How can merely 3 shows define a "golden age"? Name anything noteworthy about these series beyond the acting and narrative as if they could qualify as visual art. They're all formally boring and designed for water cooler talk alone.
The Americans is very good. Breaking Bad's ok, Cranston's performance is great, but way overrated, no depth. Justified is solid genre fun. Fargo's derivative drivel.
For some reason you didnt mention the holy trinity of The Sopranos/Mad Men/The Wire. Besides Dekalog/Berlin A.P./I, Claudius nothing comes closes.
Structurally speaking, all of them have the same sense of time and continuity and their appeal lies in what happens next. Viewers have a sense of being in the moment, as being part of a big event unfolding. This and ensemble acting are why these shows are praised. It is diametrically opposed to the art of cinema where the importance is given to that of the cinematography, its medium specificity, what makes it distinct from other art forms. Television doesn't offer anything of value.
so what shows from your shit hole country should we watch instead? what set the bar so high up your ass that you had to make this thread?
please inform us on some 'patrcian' shows from your dump
im being serious ill try to sit through an episode of whatever bullshit you guys post
The Sopranos> The Wire>>>BB>Mad Men>>>Fargo>>>True Detective>Narcos>Luther(only good Brit show ever made)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All other American Shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shows from outside US
>Why is American TV drama so devoid of art?
no thats not what he said
stop trying to be a foggot britbong apologyst
if he had mean that tv shows are an inferior medium to film then he wouldve said that
but he didnt
You're an obvious holier-than-thou moron if you discount an entire medium of artistic expression. Especially since you watch fucking Review and think it has any insight whatsoever. If you really aren't shitposting then next time you want to watch something just look at yourself in the mirror until you figure some stuff out.
Why can't I discount consumerist garbage for people who can't into art cinema like HBO? Because other people like it and I'm just obliged to go along with it? This entire "Golden Age of long-form drama" is a sham and I'll be damned if I couldn't express my opinion on this topic with all the retards spouting on how "TV has surpassed cinema".
I watched all of Mad Men, and it was good, but it wasn't as amazing as people say.
It was pretty much: Introduce new chick that Don will inevitably fuck, slowly build up to Don fucking her, Don fucks her, they break up, some advertising speech, repeat.
>Why is American TV drama so devoid of art?
Because art = low ratings. This isn't complicated. Pretty much all entertainment sources (books, magazines, movies, TV, radio) all have to choose between art and money.
>This was always about whether or not TV has any worth
then why are you comparing it to cinema while giving the impression that only american television is shit?
why are you even talking about countries if this is about whether or not television holds any artistic merit over film?
you dont even know what point your trying to make
this thread is dildoes and your a fag
Impressive showing today, OP. I for one am thankful for an intellect such as yours attempting to bring civilized discourse to this degenerate cesspool. For if only we were to listen to you, we might learn a thing or two. My sincerest gratitude, sir.
ok just stop responding because your making yourself look like a giant retard
the only time that was said was only after dumbass OP said
>"Why is American TV drama so devoid of art?"
idk how that ties into your tv vs. movies arguement
i couldn't get into it. i dig the concept but the ridiculous smoking cult thing and how the town dealt with them in the pilot - as far as i got - was too ludicrous for me to continue watching it. maybe i'll give it another go soon after i finish watching >cough, cough< Hemlock Grove.
look, mate. nothing wrong with disliking any of the series you mentioned. the problem lies with you declaring everything but what you like to be garbage. that sort of betrays your stance as the keen mind who judges "art" over "consumerist garbage," then lists a very ridiculous list of what you see as artistic shows. mate, Twin Peaks was okay, but don't misjudge it as some artistic masterpiece.
what i'm getting at is that you can dislike anything you like, but declaring everything you dislike is garbage says more about you than the shows you're criticizing.
oh, it's shit all right. b-movie grindhouse type fodder. perfect to watch with a girl who enjoys that type of stuff. i'm on the third season now and there's a certain charm to its awfulness. hell, maybe it's the same thing people see in The Leftovers or Lost.
yeah, you may be right. i'll only defend Hemlock Grove as a guilty pleasure. then again, that's what Lost became after the second season, right around when it became obvious the showrunners had no clue where to go with the story and just kept on ramping up mystery after mystery. it was fun for a while, though. still need to give The Leftovers a proper go.
You probably have bad taste and/or baiting/trying to be edgy if you hated Justified, first two seasons of Breaking Bad.
Can't vouch for the other trash since I haven't seen them, but you are probably wrong about them too.
Seems like you just can't appreciate things outside your little comfort box