It would be bigger to the rest to the world. /tv/ would give zero fucks about it, and if the show ever gets brought up it would be disregarded as SJW cuck propaganda. The threads would be derailed by BIG BLACK COCKS and dindu nuffins every time, and everyone would side with the police.
>>65013375 >Haven't seen the show, is it good? It is very good. >Is he innocent? It's up to you :^) but really, the show is more about the fuck ups of the justice system rather than knowing if Steven is guilty or not.
>>65013375 It's a tough call. The cops had a huge hard-on for the guy and were already caught massively covering up his innocence in a prior case. The two cops who discovered the evidence were in the middle of being deposed for the corruption. There was no blood and a lot of other fishy things about the evidence. If the cops are to be believed, yes he's guilty, but they had a lot of reasons to frame him and have done it before.
This show is a giant waste of time, he's guilty as fuck and there's nothing wrong with the system outside of the first 2 hours.
Cops did their job in the Teresa Halbach case. Jury did their job in the case. Steven had more than an adequate defense who did probably the best job anyone could do. However that doesn't help when you're actually guilty and actually retarded.
>>65013818 >The only remaining evidence shows clear tampering on the part of the police. That's why the police officers were tried, right?
What is this clear evidence? I see some details that looks a little fishy, but there's no real reason to doubt it other than allow it to fit in your crazy conspiracy narrative. Could he have been framed? Maybe. Is it reasonable to assume so? No. That's unreasonable.
Whats the deal about this show? I watched one episode and its just aboutsome literal redneck retard with long history of violence who was framed/not framed/who gives a fuck but a bunch of equally retarded rednecks. At which point do I start to care?
>>65013816 then why did he call in to dispatch to just run a specific plate number? why not call the detectives to confirm? or why not just ask dispatch what the details of Teresa Halbach's car were? and why did he lie about knowing the make and year of the car?
>>65014226 First off, only some of it was coerced. The full four hour tape is up on youtube. Feel free to watch it.
And the coercsian really wasn't that coercive. They just said shit like "We're know you're lying, tell us the truth", and then he changes his answer and admits to murder.
That's not bad enough. He does it literally three times. First with the first interview. Again with his defense lawyer (Who was shitty, but still). Then again with the police after that. He's in jail based off his three confessions. Innocent people usually don't confess to a crime three times that they didn't commit.
>>65014339 Why, because whenever the documentary showed him they played creepy music? He completely cooperated with the investigation and took an active role in helping to find Teresa. There's literally zero evidence linking him to anything other than the fact that he knew Teresa. This is how fucking pathetic the Avery Defense Force is. They point fingers at everyone but the obvious fucking killer.
I think Avery's probably guilty. His demeanor in the documentary from the time the murder happens is so odd and reserved compared to how he was when he was released. Then he doesn't take the stand because he says he's innocent which doesn't make sense.
Dassey is a poor motherfucker though. still dont know how he got convicted on charges that were thrown out of Avery's trial. seems very susp
>>65013375 All evidence pointing to him can be explained by a narrative which, although lacking in concrete evidence, can be easily inferred due to a number of anomalies and coincidences in the investigation- that is, that the cops tried to frame the shit out of him. That includes plausible cause for them to do so btw
>>65014648 >if you answer this question truthfully everything will be ok, if you answer this question untruthfully things will be bad for you >here is my answer >that is untruthful, things are about to be bad for you unless you tell us the truth, in which case everything will be ok, btw the truth is this specific thing we are telling you right now >ok I don't want things to be bad so I will repeat these specific things you have told me because everything is going to be ok >thank you, you are now going to prison for the rest of your life, oh and btw everything will be ok
it's because he's resigned to the fact that he's going to prison, regardless
watch him after the guilty verdict is read out, it's not the reaction of a guilty person upset he didn't manage to pull the wool over anyone's eyes, it's the reaction f someone who has been resigned to his fate for a long time - he knew it was going to be guilty
It has been documented that some confessions are false due to all sorts of reasons. Dassey was a 16 yr old with the mental capacity of an 8 yr old who was questioned for more than 4 hrs. The police keep on insisting that he had something to do with it, you can tell that he has no idea what they are talking about and he just starts guessing. His stories are not even consistent with one another and there was zero physical evidence to connect him to anything he said.
>>65014841 I mean even when the news interviews him while Teresa is missing. His answers are very short like he's just clammed up saying he doesn't know. Seems like something a dumb person would do after he murdered someone and hopes to get away with it.
I still dont believe she was killed like the police say. seems like there has to be a murder site somewhere else on the property or in some woods close by
>>65014771 Part of the problem too was he was being inconsistent in that interview with the police.
He talked with them earlier than that and he told them some things. Then when he started telling the police again those situations changed. I think if you truly sit down and watch the whole interview you can tell Dassey is hiding something about this murder. Yeah the police told him a couple of things to say and he said them, but to think Dassey is completely innocent from all of this is silly.
Also, he was read his Miranda rights multiple times and acknowledged that he understood what they meant, so he was informed that anything he said in that room could be used to convict him of murder.
Brendan had an IQ of 70 or less. The police tell him "tell us the truth", Brendan says something. "No that is not the truth if you don't tell us the truth(i.e. what we want to hear) things will not be okay." Brendan never even tells them they shot Theresa, the detectives tell Brendan and then he just nods. And when he finally tell them what they want to hear he doesn't even understand the gravity of the situation and is more worried about his 6th period project at school.
>>65015666 Just because somebody says they understand something doesn't mean they actually do. Dassey is a literal retard. He was probably under the false impression that if he was innocent, then he couldn't hurt himself by talking.
>>65015746 It won't always happen, but it can and has happened, especially when the person being questioned is dumb.
>>65015826 Being dumb is not reasonable doubt. It was his word against his own word. If he was innocent, he shouldn't have said all the things he said. I don't care if he's stupid. He was read his Miranda rights, the interview was completely legal, there was nothing excessive or even excessively coercive about anything in the interview. It was presented before a fair trial with a fair jury and a fair verdict was given to him.
>Oh but he might be innocent Then he shouldn't have admitted to it. Especially not three fucking different times.
>>65015929 People don't know what coercion is. They think questions that attempt to get an answer = coercion, but that's what the police do. They must abide by rules or the interrogation gets thrown out, but they didn't break any rules here.
>>65010650 I went and searched up "man wrongfully imprisoned" and I just found six different black guys. I doubt it would be as big of a deal. Maybe people are desensitized to black people getting shafted by the law.
See this is why innocent people go to jail. Because they "seem" like they did something. Instead of being as objective as possible and using facts, people just decide guilt based on how someone looks or acts.
>>65015837 >In 2000 Corethian Bell, who has a diagnosis of mental retardation, was accused of murdering his mother after he found her body and called police. Police questioned him for more than 50 hours. He said he eventually confessed to the murder of his mother, Netta Bell, because police hit him so hard he was knocked off his chair, and because he thought that if he confessed, the interrogations would stop, so that he could then explain himself to a judge and be set free. >more than 50 hours How is that legal?
>>65015986 If you watch the interview they weren't even really all that aggressive. They were just like "No, we don't believe you tell us the truth", and then he changes his answer. They didn't slap him. They didn't even yell at him.
>>65015955 He's not retarded. He had a borderline IQ, and he attended normal school classes and played school sports. He was your average complete dumb shit, but he wasn't some "yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah." savant that some people here actually think. Hell, I found out the other day that the "yeah" thing is just cultural for that area - it's hick/sounds dumb as fuck but regular people do it all the time.
>>65015914 >It was presented before a fair trial with a fair jury and a fair verdict was given to him.
The lawyer that had been appointed to him at that time was a relative of the victim and made terrible decisions for Dassey. When he was thrown out, that confession should have also been thrown out. His three confessions were inconsistent, in one they are literally telling him what to draw, and there is zero evidence to back up any of his outlandish story which involves rape, multiple stabbings and torture with ropes and chains. I find it hard to believe that Dassey was capable of getting rid of all the blood that he story required, all and any fingerprints, and any fibers of rope anywhere on Avery's trailer.
>>65016080 Yes, but most people think Rainman when they read savant. Hoffman wasn't retarded, but he acted retarded / was really susceptible to any questioning. That's really what the pro-Dassey side is - they think Dassey was especially susceptible to the interrogation, when really there's not much that shows that unless you're already biased (and the documentary makes sure to tell you Dassey is retarded as fuck before you see him... so of course you see him as retarded - its the documentary bias skewing shit up).
>>65010650 Is there a magical place a can go to on the internet that isn't a shithole like this? I mean fucking seriously all you people care about are liberals, jews, races, communist, and guns and I'm so sick of it. It's not entertaining to read at all and the internet's just becoming a tool to indoctrinate people into political sides. I don't mind a little sillyness but all you people do is bait people into debates for your shitshow.
Some of his classes were for "special" kids. Borderline retarded is just that, almost retarded, he doesn't function like a normal person. How are you gonna question a kid like that without a lawyer, parents, not even a counselor? Do you really think he understood his miranda rights?
>>65016202 During court, the testimony said he had a borderline IQ. How many criminals do you think have a borderline IQ? How many murderers? A ton. I don't think Dassey was actually an accomplice, and he probably did say a bunch of shit to the police that wasn't actually true because he tripped over his own shit... but he definitely was involved SOMEHOW with the sudden changes + telling his cousin. Personally, I think Avery is a fucking violent, bad person who abused Dassey and got Dassey to help him cover up the murder.
>he actually does, but it isn't until they've already told him she was shot
That was my point. The police ask him tell us what happened to her head? Brendan just starts guessing, we punched her, we stabbed her, etc... the police tired of not getting what they want, are the ones who tell him he was shot which he then confirms. If Brendan had really been there for the shooting he should have told the police before the police suggested it.
>>65016242 His mom consented to the interview, so there was no wrongdoing on the police. Blame her for not bringing in an attorney immediately. If he accidentally/for whatever reason incriminated himself... that's really not the police's fault.
>>65016201 >I find it harder to believe he would incriminate himself voluntarily on three separate occasions.
For the millionth time, the guy was is nearly retarded and doesn't think like a normal person. His confessions were not consistent and on one of those confessions he is told what to draw, "draw yourself raping her, now draw the chains, now draw this and that". The physical evidence is what should have counted. Now I'm not talking about Avery I'm talking about Brenda, where was the physical evidence that connected him to anything he said?
>>65016317 people are now claiming that the more elaborate confession gives, where he describes everything in detail without pause, is concrete evidence - but that "confession" is given on May 13th - the day after the Michael O-Kelly interview (the shitty investigator who worked for Len Kachinsky, where he basically coaches Brendan into describing and drawing specific things), and it's a full 3 months after the initial video interview
>>65016301 No you fucking dipwit. Here you go again spewing politics. How predictable. I don't give a shit about NON-LIBERAL ideas. I Don't give a shit about LIBERAL ideas. I don't want censorship. I don't want a safe-place. I just want somewhere to actually discuss the topic instead of using it as a place mat for a shit-flinging show. Is it so difficult for people to understand that it's possible to leave your political views behind and actually have factual discussions that enable others to make their own opinions? I fucking hate reddit with a passion just as much as this place. You all just want your stage to say the things you would never say in real life and that's the only reason you obsess over niggers and faggots. End of story.
>>65016174 The boyfriend theory is really the most retarded one, imo. It basically requires police tampering with evidence, and it just doesn't make sense that officers would risk their careers and reputation to frame this guy. That shit doesn't happen as much as people think... and while they prob didn't like Avery, there was no motive (the bs about the suit is a joke - the officers weren't personally on the line for that).
>>65016435 >spent the last episode slandering Krats, which was completely unrelated to the case
the unethical behaviour of the prosecutor in the case is unrelated?
>failed to bring up the sexual assault chargers his brothers were caught on
>the actual confession from Brandon that showed Steven took out the car battery
F: OK, what else did he do, he did somethin' else, you need to tell us what he did, after that car is parked there. It's extremely important. (pause) Before you guys leave that car. B: The he left the gun in the car. F: That's not what I'm thinkin' about. He did something to that car. He took the plates and he, I believe he did something else in that car. (pause). B: I don't know. F: OK. Did he, did he, did he go and look at the engine, did he raise the hood at all or anything like that? To do something to the car? B: Yeah. F: What was that? (pause) W: What did he do, Brendan? W: It's OK, what did he do? F: What did he do under the hood, if that's what he did? (pause) B: I don't know what he did, but I know he went under. F: He did raise the hood? (Brendan nods "yes") You remember that? B: Yeah.
>Brandons sister/cousin who told the police that he had told her shit about killing Teresa
after it had been in the media, and she then broke down crying in court saying it asn't true
>This whole thing was made by two dykes
see your point about things being completely unrelated to the case
Not samefag. But Okelly tells Brendan that he can help him only if he writes a confession and draws the crime. Both the confession and the drawings were directed by Okelly. Brendan writes that he wasn't there and that he only saw the fire wich Okelly tells hims it's wrong and to write that he raped her and murdered her, and that only by this he can help him. Brendan being the idiot that he is thinking if I say this, they are going to help me, so he goes along with the story.
>>65016603 To add, Dassey's brother is the most likely of the not-Avery theories (not that any of them are likely/good!). Access to burn pit. Could have for whatever the fuck reason wanted to kill Halbach, was there. Got his brother to incriminate himself + his uncle. But it's such a stretch... like, yeah, OJ's neighbor maybe could have done it (not that much of a stretch, but you know what I mean)
>>65016660 Why would the officer do this though? They have everything. They have blood. They have burned corpse on the property. They have criminal past. Why would he risk his career to add an implausible theory to an already slam dunk case? The murder/rape stuff doesn't even make sense due to the lack of blood, etc.
>>65016496 did you watch the series? do you remember the scene with Michael O'Kelly where O'Kelly gives Brendan that sheet of paper that says "I am sorry I did X" and asks him to write out what he did?
>>65016332 And some details that weren't fed by the investigators he said too, like going underneath the hood of the RAV4, which is corroborated by physical evidence. Watch the whole interview, it's been linked in this thread already.
>>65016603 >the bs about the suit is a joke - the officers weren't personally on the line for that
actually it was quite possible that they would have been on the line for it - if it was found to be genuine misconduct and/or negligence the insurance wouldn't have paid out, and both the county as well as the individual officers involved could have been sued
>>65016798 I know what autism is anon, I mean fuck we're on 4chan. I was saying in my response that I used "savant" really liberally. We can argue about whether I broke its term, and yeah I probably should have said down syndrome instead, but come on nigga.
>>65016861 The lawsuit was already filed, anon. It was against the county, not officers in their individual capacity. You don't sue average joe for $$$ - you sue the government because that's the big bucks. If the insurance doesn't pay out, sucks for the county but they've got money.
>>65016639 >the unethical behaviour of the prosecutor in the case is unrelated? Yes, because it had literally nothing to do with the case, or his ethical role as a prosecutor. Yeah, he took advantage of some girl. How does this affect the Avery case at all?
>after it had been in the media, and she then broke down crying in court saying it asn't true >I was lying before but you gotta believe me now!
O'kelly wasn't an officer he was a defense investigator who was working for Brendan's lawyer. Which makes the whole thing more fucked up for Brendan because his lawyer (kachinsky) and O'kelly should have actually done their best to protect the interest of their client, instead they are basically telling him to confess. The theory that the docu gives is that Kachinsky being a distant relative to Theresa wanted to build a case against Avery.
>>65016978 You can't use confessions that are submitted during plea negotiations - just like you can't use settlement negotiation communication. Policy reasons being that we want to encourage people to negotiate and settle - don't want the criminal defendant to be told, "okay, tell us what you know and we'll decide whether to grant immunity" then later use the shit against the guy if they decide not to grant immunity.
The other stuff is wholly speculative. Again, it's possible... but it's for sure not crazy evidence of anything suspicious.
>>65017045 Unethical in his personal life. Not in his professional life as a prosecutor.
Why did they spend 30 minutes showing how much of a piece of shit Kratz was, but they didn't talk about how Avery told his cellmates that burning bodies gets rid of the DNA? Or that after he got out of prison he was going to build a rape chamber to punish all of the women in the world for his wrong conviction?
I think those details have more relevancy than what a prosecutor did that had nothing to do with the case, or his ability, ethics, or judgement in said case, that was admitted to the justice system.
>>65017130 >but they didn't talk about how Avery told his cellmates that burning bodies gets rid of the DNA? Or that after he got out of prison he was going to build a rape chamber to punish all of the women in the world for his wrong conviction? The purpose of the documentary is to highlight alleged misconduct by the police/justice system, not to regurgitate every bit of evidence presented at the trial.
>>65017184 Yeah but when it's multiple sources, and you pair that up with the letters he sent to his ex-wife, and his history of abusive relationships, and now what his Ex fiance is saying. It makes since.
>>65017267 He was obsessed with her dude. She was afraid of him and thought he was creepy as fuck. He specifically asked for her. It's probable he raped and murdered her, just probably the murder happened a different way than the prosecution's theory.
His gf was in jail at the time iirc, was expected to get out soon. She said Avery hates women and is abusive as allll fuck. Like, serious beatings abusive.
>>65014903 Nah false cases involving Blacks/whites/browns/Clowns have happened so often that it's often ignored.
One father was on the other side of town when his young daughter was killed. The interrogators pretty much abused him and broke him to the point that he confessed that he did travel at impossible speeds form across town to kill his daughter then somehow return even faster then before. Then they revealed that he would be getting the Death penalty so he spent nearly a day proving that his obviously false and forced confession earlier on was false.
>>65017130 he sent sexts to the victim of a crime whilst he was prosecuting her ex-bf for it
>they didn't talk about how Avery told his cellmates that burning bodies gets rid of the DNA
>they didn't talk about how Avery told his cellmates that burning bodies gets rid of the DNA etc...
first, none of those things were presented at trial, and, second, part of the reason they weren't presented at trial is because they were unverified statements from sketchy convicts currently in prison (i.e. completely unreliable)
you know they also left out that experts testified that the fire could not have damaged the bones in the way they did? or an that an expert found that the bullet could not be linked to Avery's gun? or that Bobby Dassey's description of Teresa Halbach's clothes was completely at odds with what her other clients said she was wearing that day? or that a propane delivery worker said he saw a green SUV leave the property at about 3:40? or that there was deer blood all over the garage? or that there were no fingerprints on the key?
>>65017268 One thing that's really true is all the shit that's come out about this case that wasn't in the documentary is all really against Avery. I figured Avery's taped prison comments littered throughout the series were bullshit... but man this guy is fucking dangerous and a sociopath - it was all faked to the documentary guys. Everything in the documentary painted Avery as a fucking SAINT. From the very first episode with one of the younger relatives talking about him. It really goes to show that putting a camera in a criminal defendant's face + the face of his relatives is probably not the best way to get at the truth.
>>65017419 To be fair, there's a massive ass difference between getting obsessive toward a girl you think you can fuck and altering evidence/trying to get an innocent man convicted/whatever it is you guys think The Prize did.
Here's what I don't get: Avery shoots Halbach in his garage or trailer or wherever. He then does an immaculate job of cleaning up blood and nearly all other evidence, but forgets to do something about the bullet.
He then proceeds to burn her body in some quarry on his property (but well away from his house) and then hauls her bones and other remains back closer to his home.
Wh would he do such a good, thorough job, but then make such huge blunders?
I'm watching this show, on episode four now. I'm not American. Can someone tell me what the fuck is the deal with these poor white people? Fuck, I must have seen Steven and Jodi in jail so many times I think they had more of a life spent in there than out. They also talk about it like a minor nuisance, not fucking jail.
What's with the IQs also? How can someone in a decent state of a world superpower grow up to be as stupid as the Brendan kid without at least being clinically recognized as retarded? The rest of the Avery family also doesn't look like the pinnacles of intelligence. Maybe the smartest ones are his mom and Barb because when they talk, it sounds NORMAL.
>>65017271 If you came out from the other end of that documentary thinking that the Sheriff's Department was full of honest cops who were above trading deals with criminals to get statements that help them in the Avery case, I don't know what to tell you.
Once you get caught planting evidence, you lose all credibility. The planting of the key alone created reasonable doubt that should have made a guilty verdict impossible.
>>65017616 Because some people are just stupid? The US has a population of 318 Million. Not everyone who lives here is going to get the best education or have the best genes. Especially not poor people.
Its a big deal beacuse its an extraordinary circumstance, regardless of race, gender, nationality, etc.
There are very few people who are exonerated from prison and then almost immediately involved in another high profile criminal case where the circumstances are extremely dubious and questionable. Most people who are freed after decades of being in jail and then go on to commit more crime very clearly guilty of it.
There are very few cases that have such a high degree of potential for and evidence suggesting police corruption and coverup.
There are very few cases where the somewhat sympathetic "protagonist" if you will, with his low IQ, poor white trash family, failed marriage and victim of justice system, goes from being the villain (suspected rapist), to being the hero (exoneration) to being ambiguous as to their guilt.
The bottom line is, I sincerely doubt there are many, if any at all, black people who are ever caught up in similar drama (usually they are unquestionably guilty) but if there were, I think it would still be fairly compelling, despite the currently level of SJW fervor and cuckoldry rising in society.
>>65017616 Welcome to rural America. It's a big country, and all sorts of interesting folk live in the open plains. Europe is pretty condensed, so there's less opportunity to have such celebrated people.
>>65017674 Did they get caught planting evidence? I missed that part.
All I got was some of the evidence was found under slightly suspicious circumstances. There was no proof to support that a single piece of evidence was planted. Not even a real credible motive was established. Colburn and Lenk had barely anything to do with Avery's false rape conviction. They had no reason to risk their jobs and lives to frame him.
>>65016986 Kachinsky was related to Halbach? Jesus fuck, could there be any more conflicts of interest in the case? Next we'll be finding out that Brandon left dog shit in a burning bag on Kratz's doorstep and Steve fucked the judges wife.
>>65017759 Maybe he's not as dumb as you think he is? I mean you don't really know who Dassey is. Everything you know about him comes from a few video clips and what we heard from biased sources (family).
>>65017742 >slightly suspicious circumstances 3 days of searching didn't find the victim's keys laying on the floor of Avery's bedroom in almost plain view until Lt. Lenk did the search himself. That's not slightly suspicious. That's an obvious plant.
I'm not saying for sure that he didn't kill her. He might have killed her somewhere else and left the keys in the car. I don't know and neither do you, because the police fucked up the investigation horribly. That's reasonable doubt and an easy not guilty verdict if you even halfway understand the law.
>>65017738 Sure, I'm not European also and we have our own brand of redneck here, but they are... different. I mean, they're not the smartest kids around the block and just go through necessary education, but mostly they just have a weird sense of humor, take pride in big muscles and soccer and fucking bitches. They aren't going to jail 4 times a year.
But this was really enlightening, I remember watching a South Park episode called Poor and Stupid and I had fun thinking of our rednecks, but the situation there is a bit different and this made me understand white trash.
>>65017877 I mean, remember that these are the really poor trashy ass shit ones. There are good people in rural areas - normal people with values and who are classy as fuck. Your average person. But there are so many rural areas that are just poor... low median family household income, etc., so you get these blighted areas that after a few generations produce these types.
>>65017857 Because based defense lawyers knew he was a fucking moron who would have made a spectacle and dropped his spaghetti about how the cops are out to get him and most likely advised him against it.
>>65017491 it goes to the man's ethics (especially since it was directly related to his job as a prosecutor), and he also revealed that the reason he did it was because he was addicted to prescription drugs, which in turn brings into question his ability to properly perform his job
>>65018010 You don't understand the law, anon. The prosecution has the burden of proving the criminal defendant is guilty of the charges, but all the various motions and showings that must be made on all issues evidence or anything else... the burden is on the movant; i.e., the party who filed the motion with the court.
What are you asking for with the whole key and reasonable doubt thing? Wasn't the jury shown the key? They could have inferred a huge police conspiracy if they believed that bs, but they didn't.
>>65018052 Once you show that the cops are dirty and planted evidence, you've shown reasonable doubt. The cops did a disservice to the victim by using her murder to advance their own agenda by using illegal methods.
If you don't think that evidence was planted and that the cops didn't horribly mishandle the case, then you're a fucking idiot.
>>65013779 They're actually not. Very few people of any color are wrongfully convicted. Just doing a back-of-the-envelope analysis of Innocence Project successes as well as the appellate process, it's something like 99.237% of all convictions stand.
That does however tot up to a couple thousand innocent people in prison or under other correctional control as we speak, one of whom is of course Steven Avery.
It's fucking ridiculous to drag race into this. The Central Park Five got their film, but Riley Fox's father didn't. Of the dozen or so true crime wrongful conviction films or series available on Netflix at the moment, just two concern whites (MaM and Thin Blue Line). I can't think of a single fictionalization of a wrongful conviction that didn't involve a black actor hurling Oscar bait, like Denzel Washington in Hurricane.
And just look at Table 43 of the FBI's annual UCR of any fucking year it's been produced. No matter how you slice, dissemble, or obscure it, blacks are about ten times likelier than any other demographic to commit some gruesome crime for the fucking dumbest of reasons (shoes, snack food, pocket change, ten seconds of sex). And this society not only ignores it, it actively lies about it. So maybe the occasional wrongful negro conviction is just desserts.
>>65016020 Hitting people is breaking the rules. Police are trained how to elicit confessions through coercion and psychological manipulation. >When you say you didn't do it, we know you're lying. >If you want us to believe you, you'd be best served telling us things, even if they make you look bad. Especially if they make you look bad. >Now tell us what you did to her head. >OK. But what happened to her head? >Something happened to her head. What was it? >OK I'm just gonna ask you, who shot her in the head? That was the only thing that the retard confessed to that was supported by forensic evidence, and he repeatedly failed to confess after repeated cues from the detectives. He only confessed to it after they made it part of the narrative. That shouldn't have been admissible. Especially considering no lawyer, mom lied to, retard didn't understand the stakes, etc.
You don't get false confessions through torture or violence, you get them through exactly what the police did.
>>65013816 >the state's lead investigator gave me the plate >better call the dispatch to make sure he got the right plate number >and confirm the vehicle type >because it's super possible that the state's lead investigator has the two most critical details in a missing person case wrong It's almost like you're a fucking moron.
>>65018271 >Which they DIDN'T PROVE you fucking retard. Show me one piece of damming evidence that shows they planted it. >That's not proof you fucking idiot. Maybe the key should have been thrown out, but that doesn't mean it was planted. You don't understand what the fuck you're talking about. Other than like fucking footage of them doing it, you'll never PROVE they did it. Particularly not now. There is, on the other hand, a significant amount of evidence that supports the narrative that they planted evidence. And more to the point, the evidence that they "discovered" absolutely shouldn't have been presented to a jury. They shouldn't have been there. Even if the car key was there, it shouldn't have been admissible because people who were ordered not to be there due to conflicts of interest were the ones that found it.
Not to mention the blood sample. That would be a way to PROVE that the blood in the car came from the blood sample. Right now, the blatantly tampered-with blood samples in their custody is absolutely evidence of unambiguous police misconduct.
>>65018271 >Q (Buting): how is it you missed the key the first six searches just sitting there out in the open next to the slippers >A (Calumet Co. deputy): because it wasn't there
Same goes for the shell casings and the .22 projo. It's not that Lenk finds it. It's that he finds it days or weeks after the area was repeatedly searched by other investigators and nothing was discovered.
>>65018337 They didn't determine that they "weren't coercive." That doesn't even mean anything. All interrogations are coercive, and coercive interrogative techniques aren't automatically considered unlawful or inadmissible. And the fact that two heavily prejudiced courts allowed evidence to be admitted doesn't make the evidence any less shitty. The pederast DA had already made poisoned the well by publicly announcing as fact the details of his confession.
>>65018555 Again. You keep saying how he should have called the investigator. If he made the same call to the investigator, how is it any less suspicious? How is calling the dispatcher specifically suspicious at all?
What does that fucking add at all? I'm sick of you fucking pieces of shit. You're all fucking retards that can't use any sort of higher level thinking.
>>65018503 That article has been debunked numerous times. The facts about blood testing are outright false. The court documents don't even mention this nurse ever coming forward to testify. Some of the people mentioned and quoted in it don't even fucking exist.
I worked with blood testing for a multi-year project on comparing asthma patients with the regular populace. The stardard protocol is to replace the purple stopper BEFORE filing it away. You never leave punctured samples EVER.
>>65018613 No, dumb fuck. I didn't say he should've called the investigator. I said it is absolutely incredulous that he thought hours or days after receiving the info from Wiegert that Wiegert, a state DoJ agent, might have the two most crucial details in a missing person investigation wrong. So following your tard thought train, he thinks Wiegert somehow fucked up the plate and vehicle ID, as absolutely impossible as that is. So he doesn't radio dispatch, he calls from a cell phone to a non-emergency administrative line with a clerk who has DMV access instead of calling any of dozens of other cops involved in the investigation. Moreover, he doesn't call and ask what Halbach's license plate or vehicle type is, he asks a plate to be run, then posits the make and model of the vehicle himself.
There is nothing about your position that stands up to any type of logic.
The cops do a LOT of incredibly shady shit and the prosecution has way too many holes in it and its filled with coincidences that are too insane for there not to be some conspiracy going on. Not even mentioning how they mentally abused a literal retard to confess to something he didn't do.
But on the other hand Steven doesn't testify, and some of the aspects of the situation and some of the evidence are hard to ignore.
The doc is definitely in support of Steven, but the title can go both ways
Making a murderer through falsehood or making a murderer cause 18 years in jail for a crime he didn't' commit made him crazy.
1. He didn't seem to care about her whereabouts for a long time, and didn't seem phased that she was murdered 2. Somehow "guessed" her voice mail password 3. Deleted some of her voicemails 4. Immediately went to the Avery property and crossed the police line as a civilian 5. Had literally no alibi for when she was missing
>>65019451 >1. He didn't seem to care about her whereabouts for a long time, and didn't seem phased that she was murdered >2. Somehow "guessed" her voice mail password >3. Deleted some of her voicemails >4. Immediately went to the Avery property and crossed the police line as a civilian
So he's a bro and a BAMF how does this prove he killed her?
>>65019451 >1. He didn't seem to care about her whereabouts for a long time, Three days is pretty standard for missing people. You don't report them missing after an hour.
>2. Somehow "guessed" her voice mail password Which he openly talked about under oath in court, was not heavily cross examined, and in general really didn't seem that suspicious as everyone was trying to get more
>3. Deleted some of her voicemails Hmm, no. There were deleted voicemails, it was never established who did that.
>4. Immediately went to the Avery property and crossed the police line as a civilian He was given permission to. Everyone was inspecting the Avery lot because there were a shit ton of cars there
>5. Had literally no alibi for when she was missing I'm sure most nights you wouldn't have an alibi either.
Not only is there zero evidence linking him to the murder, but he isn't even that suspicious.
>>65016056 just chiming in here friend that a 70 IQ is the 2rd quartile with a typical standard deviation of 15, meaning he's in the bottom 5% of intelligence. If that isn't retarded to you, I'm not sure what is.
Avery probably did it. But the confession they got out of Brendon was complete bullshit, and none of the police theories about how the crime happened based on that confession were plausible and police obviously planted evidence.
>>65020817 i wasn't sure if iq test's standard deviations were 10 or 15, originally wrote 3rd, double checked and saw they were 15 so I replaced the 3 with a 2 and neglected to change the ordinal indicator :^) hope that clears things up
I was at the grocery store a few hours ago, and almost every magazine has Steven on the front cover claiming there's apparently new evidence possibly proving his innocence. I get that it's probably attention grabbing bullshit, but I couldn't help but to be curious, has anything else come up?
>doesn't find the key until the 3rd day of searching his tiny trailer >bones pop up in the backyard ~50 feet from the door despite having ample other secluded places to bury them >owns a salvage yard and company and the best way to dispose of a body is a bonfire
He could've crushed her to dust or burnt her completely to ash. It doesn't add up.
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