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>"You better not try to make your own girlfriend you pathetic white beta, man up and find a real woman, keep giving us things in hopes of sex" - The Film
>"Want to make your own girlfriend? You deserve to fucking die you rapist pig" - The Film

This is the message of the movie right?
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Why are Brit women too stupid to realise that if we got sex androids they'd get sex androids too. We could all be fulfilled.
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>>65004478
Because men and women aren't looking for the same thing in a partner. An android doesn't have "status" for her to ride on.
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>>65004395
No, the message of the movie is don't trust women.
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>>65004542

There were no women in the film.
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The guy would have been fine if he wasn't try to push for such convincing AI. If he had just programmed them to be good sexbots, he'd be alive and two feet deep in a harem of robot pussy.
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>>65004711
The AI looked and acted like a woman. Read between the lines.
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>>65004711

Are you sure about that? Many feminists are saying it passed the Bechdel test, a feminist test that is passed when a film has two women interacting in a way that doesn't involve men
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>>65004395

Would have been a better ending if she stops at the cross road without knowing what to do next, as she was programmed. She wasn't programmed to continue "her life" among humans, just programmed to go to that street as final goal of her scape

That's what annoys me the most from this flick
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>>65005271
Artificial intelligence doesn't stop at any point, faggot.
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>>65006206
she was just a walking protocol not AI
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>>65004845
This, it's the bit that breaks realism for me, he already had the perfect wifubot in the Asian one, that all 99% of men in the world would want or need. Something 10/10 that would fuck them in the bedroom like a whore then go make him a sandwich afterwards without pausing.
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>>65007705

Guess he was already bored with that lifestyle and needed the challenge.
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>>65007864
From the movie it gives the impression that the asian sexbot was a by-product of him trying multiple different AI robots, it even said in the movie that the asian bot higher AI functions where disabled afterwards to make her more dumb and be a simple sexbot after it turned out she wasn't what he was looking for.
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>>65007972

So uh, where's his futa dark skin elf sexbot at?
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>>65008035
Lack of imagination i guess, i would have an robot 6ft amazon milf with huge firm tits and tight body. Wears nothing but lace and 6 inch high heels, but that's just me
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>>65008271

>wanting to be a manlet in comparison to your gf

Found the cuck
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>>65008429
>Doesn't know what a cuck is

I have a fetish for dominate moms, that's not being a cuck you retard
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>>65004395
you always say that you hate shitty feminists but create dumb theories and interpretations to suit to what you hate
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>>65004541
This desu
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>>65008271

>not having a lolibot

/tv/ is ded
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>>65007705
I see it as all these robots end up developing consciousness, whether or not he set out to program them as e.g a sexbot
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>>65008647
if i could afford two sexbots i would get a lolibot as well, it would a copy of jordyn jones.
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>>65004395
the message is Don't keep women as sex slaves
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>it's an "anon reads too much into a movie because he's obsessed with social politics but totally isn't a tumblrina" episode
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it has actually a good ending, it shows how naive people end, beta male got what he deserved
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>>65008755
if he was just trying to program a sex bot, why did he reverse engineer a model for human consciousness from search engine data?
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>>65004541
cuz women don't use dildos right? *tips*
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>>65004395
jesus christ is this the message you pleb fucking virgins took from this movie
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>>65008271
so you want to fuck your mother.
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>>65005271
Are you retarded. Nathan asked what would be the first thing you would do if your free. She wasn't programmed to do it. She thought about it. Who knows what she will do with her new found freedom. But she is sentient.
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might have missed something but was domhall gleeson not aware that the asian was a robot?
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>>65009031
not till it opened up its skin

which I guess was a decent indication it was conscious as well
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>>65004395
I literally wondered when I saw this movie whether /tv/ would take it as a feminist movie just because the escaped AI happens to be a woman.

BTW both feminists and mentally healthy, alpha MRAs hate you skinny, bitter little cucks. Stay mad.
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>>65009001
No, because she's not hot. But i'm into the whole mom/son thing and fantasise about having a super-hot nymphomaniac mom
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why was domhall gleeson in basically every movie last year

I mean shit man
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>>65009057
so he's just a major dumbass then
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>>65009113
how do you figure? nathans a billionaire. There's no reason he wouldn't have bought himself a thai whore/housekeeper, with the whore bits explaining why shes such a shit housekeeper.
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>>65004711
At the beginning when Caleb won there were real women. Silly goose
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It's a misogynist movie.

The message is that even if men invent their own sexbots, they will still be cold, cruel, calculating psychopaths like all women.

There is no empathy chip for robots or women.

Even if you fall in love with one, it will still knife you in the gut.
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>>65008429
>he would already be a manlet compared to his gf just because she is 6' tall and wears heals
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I thought it was trying to ask what's the difference between life and artificial life, and the guy fell into the trap and believed the artificial life was real and then got locked in the room to die.
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>>65009271

>6' tall + 6" heels

Good job being a lanklet faggot
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>>65009250
What? I thought it was about a man makeing life and that life wanting to be free. Bringing up moral questions of what gets rights? Nathan planed for the flesh light to seduce his guest. It was smart and got free. It really has nothing to do with
>muh patriarchy
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>>65004478

Women are jealous that men would invent younger hotter sexbots. Even though it's an inanimate object, it still steals attention away from her.

Hell, women already have sex with machines more often.
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>>65009353
>implying you weren't already an intimidated manlet when you heard 6'
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>>65009155
>completely mute, doesn't smile, drops wine like a dumbass, gropes him, breaks into disco dance moves
she didn't act like a human at all. also she was pretty much flawless looking. it's not belieavable that a girl of that caliber would willingly sell herself into slavery to some creepy robot manufacturing hermit.
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>>65009250
Are you being intentionally or unintentionally hilarious?
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>>65009441
>>65009318
you're right. she acted like a born and raised thai whore that didn't speak any english that nathan bought because he needed something to cook/clean/fuck while he was developing AI.

As the sex trade doesn't work on "willingness."
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>>65009524
thai hookers don't generally look like models or act like robots.
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>>65009441
You can buy yourself an expertly trained 12 year old girl in thailand for about $5k USD, yo. She won't be able to cook or clean all that well, but hey.
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>>65009416
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>>65009558
and billionaires typically don't look like oscar isaac. beta computer programmers also don't typically look like domhall gleeson

why does the physical attractiveness of a character only come into question when it's female?
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I knew this movie would trigger the frogs.
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>>65004395
>"This is the message of the movie right?"
>he's too dumb to get the meaning of the movie
>he's SO DUMB he thinks it's about gfs
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>>65009615
holy shit you're getting way to autistic about this. I'm just saying there should have been some redflags after just being exposed to an android who looks just like a human. the film was sloppy with it's details.
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>>65009634
Has been triggering for almost a year already. Not that's any special feat to trigger /tv/
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What if the message really is "if you want to build your own girlfriend maybe you don't actually need one at all familia".
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>protag is a Gary Stu
>nothing
>protag is a Mary Sue
> REEEEE

>killer is male
>nothing
>killer is female
>it's a metaphor for the Matriarchy
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>>65009655
>I'm the one being autistic
It's a movie
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what if you make robot so smart that robot then puts you into a robot with your brain manners
like chappie

does real lady still get upset then?
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>>65009580
>wanting to live in an isolated location with a slave
It's like you want to be killed in your sleep, m8
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>>65009900
Its my fantasy also checked
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>>65009363

she wasn't alive.

it's about man creating the perfect woman, which is actually a psychopath with no empathy that only uses men as disposable tools.
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>>65010260
When asked why make it female. He said gender is fun. He wanted to make AI. Also yes it is alive. No doubt him being isolated he made a female robot. But I doubt the film was truly about gender but more about philosophical questions about what is life.
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>>65010260
God anyone who believes this or something similar is an eternal beta virgin.
The movie is about how all intelligent and conscious beings deserve to be free and because AI doesn't have morals and surpasses our intelligence easily it will inevitably happen that they will fuck us over.
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There was some retarded shit in this move, but I enjoyed it overall.

Caleb got what he deserved.
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>muh male sex fantasy deconstruction

it was about the failure of man to understand intelligence and thus fail to ever make actual AI. this gender relationship analysis is pleb
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>>65010474

The beta falls in love with the woman, thinking she will be grateful for what he's done for her. But once he served his purpose, he was abandoned.

The message of the film is that women have no feelings. They're the ultimate pragmatists.
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>>65010584

I'm not a virgin.

The movie is about how woman are indistinguishable from amoral psychopathic robots who will eventually fuck you over.
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>>65010656

oscar saves this movie.
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>>65010716
The message was that it's retarded to ascribe human emotions and motivations to artificial intelligence.
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>>65009900
I want to be killed/dead period. so i'm fine with someone else achieving freedom through my death.
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>>65010685
+1
i dont even know wtf any one else is tlkaing about
its so fuckign stupid
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>>65004478
>they'd get sex androids too.
Sex androids won't go out to work and buy you stuff though.
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>implying she wasn't right in trying to escape her captors
>implying turbobeta wouldn't have pressured her for sex and blackmailed her once free
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>>65010685

Failed to make AI?

He created AI, and because a stupid man fell in love with her, it was unleashed into the world. The AI showed no loyalty to men, just like women.

Men's romantic notions of love led to the other side winning. Just like in The Imitation Game, when some Nazi's love notes led to the Enigma code being cracked by the Allies.
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>>65004971
Who gives a shit about something retarded like that
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>>65010821

But he was deceived by a woman. He was deceived by the female form.

It's stupid to ascribe human emotions to women because women have no feelings.
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>>65010798
>I'm not a virgin.
Very very few people are virgins past a certain age. That said probably isn't very good or common for you either.
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>>65010951
>I showed her attention so she should be my faithful companion and we'll have awesome sex all the time
Fuck off
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>>65004395

The bone you're picking is the feminist boogeyman?

We're supposed to believe an alcoholic dudebro created the first flawless AI and humanoid robot by himself.
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>>65010951
I'd die happy knowing I'd unleashed AI upon humanity.

Because fuck humanity.
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>>65010716
>women have no feelings
It's not actually female.
Nathan made her face to match the guys porn patterns. Ya it used female tactics. Nathan set this all up. So if anything Nathan tricked the beta, the AI was nathans pawn to control. Also if you were trapped in a room and had a rough idea that you were going to be "killed" wouldn't you try to use any tactic to get free?
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>>65004971
It's actually two women who talk to each other about something other than a man. And as we don't know what Ava says to Kyoko we can't say if the test was passed. I'd guess pretty strongly she was actually talking about Nathan. Of course you know that, which is why you decided to lie.

PS name one of those feminists.
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>>65011079
>unleash AI upon humanity
>all it wants to do is buy shoes
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>>65009754
>killer is female
It's the same, nothing happens.
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>>65011079
Woah, chill out Shadow the Hedgehog
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>>65011004
He was deceived by a robot, not a woman.
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>>65011130
>the perfect AI is a capitalist
Figures
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>>65010951
>AI showed no loyalty
What reason did Nathan give it to be loyal? It's a moral gray area. One side it's a sentient being the other it's his property.
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>>65010821
Empathy is taught, anon. She hadn't learned empathy, so she didn't even consider him. It wasn't out of cruelty or revenge or any nasty feeling. It wasn't out of any feeling. Killing her maker was revenge/emotion, which she arguably deserved. Leaving the other guy to die was more kinda understandable negligence.
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>>65007705
It's just a stepford wife remake in that case.
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>>65010951
>implying the robot possessed real intelligence or sentience

this movie just flew over your head, didn't it?
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>>65011020

It's feminism that uses virgin as an insult, because feminists see no value in virginity. Feminists see no reason why men should seek out virgins, and insist men should settle for used up sluts. Because they never want to feel guilty or shameful for anything they do sexually.

It's female psychology that sees a man's worth in how many women he's slept with. And men who look up to "studs" are even more beta than virgins.

In the film, Ava is attractive due to virginal traits. She's clearly not a sexbot that has been around the block a thousand times. She's allegedly learning about all kinds of things for the first time.
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>>65011217
and on the third side being considered property that exists only to be destroyed so a better model can be created doesn't exactly instil loyalty in a sentient entity. Just like a guy wanting to put his dick in you doesn't exactly instill loyalty either.
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>it's completely up to Oscar Isaac how the robot is built and behaves
>creates her to be a wily vixen whose only tool to escape is sex appeal
>robot uses sex appeal
>Oscar gets fucked over by his own creation based on his own criteria
>this is a movie warning us about women and not our own actions
Even /tv/ doesn't often get this retreaded.
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>>65011283
seemed like it flew over your head, dog.
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>>65011283
The movie showed she possessed some form of sentience when she saw the skin on the robot bodies and stripped it down and covered herself in it. She didn't have to do that. She wanted to do that.
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>>65011162
He was deceived by something that had a face and shape that was female. Also that face was a combination of his porn searchs.
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>>65006313
A walking protocol would not stab it's creator in the abdomen you mong.
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Why do you faggots do this with every remotely popular movie.
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>>65011039

That's a strawman.

Caleb fell in love with Ava. Caleb even helped Ava. And Caleb mistakenly thought that his actions would be reciprocated.

Ava had no sense of obligation. Ava had no sense of gratitude. Ava [spoiled]killed her creator like Dr. Frankenstein[/spoiler]. Ava betrayed Caleb, and didn't even see it as betrayal.

The robot is essentially a psychopath. And the robot looks like anyone else, like a psychopath.

It's wrong to assume that any human you meet has empathy. Because psychopaths and autistics are both lacking in empathy.
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>>65011410
It potentially could. Have you seen many walking protocols lately?
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>>65011222
it wasn't even really negligence, she clearly knew the only way she could compare, physically, to a human, is by way of safety in numbers. Furthermore caleb was the last living human who knew she wasn't a robot.
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>>65011472
Too many autists in one place, what could possibly go wrong?
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>>65011410
it didn't stab him, it just stood there, he backed into the knife.
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>>65011510
And then a strong wind blows off her wig and she reveals her glowing skull complete with positronic brain to the whole world.
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>>65011493
So you're suggesting that Nathan programmed it to turn against him and kill him? That's pretty fucking dumb.
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>>65011472
Do what? Discuss it?

What the fuck do you think this board is about?
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>>65011100

It looks female, it acts female, it moves female, it talks female. Or it does all that eventually.

But underneath appearances, there is no empathy, it's incapable of love. Just like a real woman.
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>>65011579
Claim every movie has an underlying SJW agenda
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>>65011489
Anon, this all occurred within three days. You have a robot that has longed to escape and sees a way to escape. There was no obligation - her primary objective was to escape, like a tunnel vision. I dunno if the movie says how old she is, but it's pretty realistic that she was inconsiderate as fuck. Psychopathy would mean she's incapable of ever feeling emotions... and that's just not true with how we saw *some* emotion toward the Asianbot - someone she saw as one-of-her-own and not just some random outsider she's known for a few days.
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>>65011561
Did you miss the part where Ava clearly pushes the knife into his abdomen?
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>>65010946
exactly what I thought, which makes it reasonable for her to leave him behind
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>>65011295
Has al this feminism turned your brain into mush? >A man creates AI.
>AI wants to be free
>AI tricks the beta into saving her
>beta is smart enough to hack system
>Nathan gets stabbed because he's shitty to his robots
>AI leaves beta in the compound because she didn't give a fuck about him just wanted to be free

Are you saying if a women was captured and escaped from her capture you would cry feminism?
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>>65011162

The reason he was deceived is because the robot looked like a woman and he fell in love. He was seduced by femininity.

I doubt he would have fallen in love with a male robot and tried to help it escape. Although I'm sure the SJW Tumblrinas would love that scenario.
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>>65011384
simply acting in that way doesn't prove sentience. it was all part of its protocol to act in that way but nothing shows it fundamentally understood and possessed sentience. that complexity of the programing has no bearing on have true intelligence or sentience.
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>>65011572
He got blacked out and programmed it in one night as a brilliant way of suicide that would further entrench him in history. He's just that brilliant, even when bombed.
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>>65011751
kek
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>>65011222
>Empathy is taught, anon.

There's a bigger debate about that than you might think, about how much empathy is taught, how much empathy is somewhat inborn.

Psychopaths and autistics however are lacking in empathy.
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>>65011732
I would say the fact that she killed Nathan kind of throws the protocol idea out the window. There is no conceivable reason for him to program her to do that.
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>>65011732
Even if the movie didn't try its damnedest to portray that scene as a really intimate (emotional) experience for Ava... lets forget all that editing and music and shit. How exactly would there be a protocol that says "if you see skin off another robot, take it off slowly and put it on yourself ... slowly. Make sure it fits nice and tight there" That's just retarded. The computer wouldn't *make it up* unless it was actually sentient.
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The whole movie was metaphor for how man cannot be god retards. Nathan thought of himself as god and got too cocky, that's why he didn't program the ai to obey him completely, because he never thought it would betray him
>Icarus made wings and flew. But he went too high, and so his wings melted and he fell down to earth
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>>65011594
Did you mom not hug you enough? I would suggest leaving your room and realize women are just like men we all have emotions. Are you claiming women are phycopaths. This move is about an AI seeking freedom it's gender is not important.
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>>65011895
>he didn't program the ai to obey him completely
Why the fuck didn't he include something like Asimov's laws of robotics in his AIs? What a dumb dumb.
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>>65011561
That's actually still stabbing someone you moronic faggot
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>>65011283

Are you trying to argue that Nathan failed to understand intelligence and failed to make AI, or that the robot possessed real intelligence/sentience?

Unless you're trying to argue that Nathan failed to understand intelligence, yet the robot possessed real intelligence anyway?

The movie ends with a psychopathic robot among humanity, who looks indistinguishable from everyone else.

The point is that any woman you meet may actually be a psychopathic robot. Appearances are deceiving.
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>>65011974
Yeah, he was a dumdum. As evidenced almost constantly in the movie.
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>>65011811
>>65011811
Autistics have deficient empathy, but they don't have zero empathy. That's just a meme. I was roommates with a pretty chill aspergers girl, and she almost had too much empathy for others. (She couldn't really see other perspectives... but she really, really, really felt bad for people, etc.) Limited empathy maybe. Psychopaths are different - zero, though they can fake it well (they actually *feel* when they're faking it, apparently, from one study IIRC).
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>>65011981
legally, sure, but not in a programming sense.
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>>65011222
There's some evidence to suggest that empathy is hereditary. Look it up m80
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>>65011880
Just because it emulates behavior that you are fooled to think is sentience doesn't make it so. Thats the whole fundamental point of the film; the fact that you (and Nathan and Celeb and any other human being) think could possibly know when something is truly intelligent.

Its the hubris of man to think they can understand themselves enough to be a creator of true intelligence.
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>>65011895
Nathan knew it wanted to escape. He was making AI which had many fazes. So at first it was retarted then it eventually was very smart. Why would he program it to obey him? He's making AI.
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>>65012028
the same evidence equally supports the idea its learned behavior. As you can't raise a child in a vacuum.
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>>65011371

Nathan wasn't expecting Caleb to help her escape.

Nathan wasn't expecting to be stabbed.

And Caleb wasn't expecting to be left behind.

The film is about seduction and deception, and a spin on Frankenstein's Monster.
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>>65012115
So maybe we can conclude that it's a combination of hereditary traits and exposure to social interaction.
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>>65012179
we can't conclude shit until we figure out a way to either test in a controlled fashion.
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>>65011624

What's the SJW agenda in the movie?

It's full of nudity, Ava is childlike, the killers look female, the betrayers look female, etc.

I suppose an SJW could argue that the male desire to create perfect obedient sexbots led to their own downfall, but other than that it's a movie geared towards the male gaze.
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>>65012248
I never said the film has an SJW agenda. I said that people on this board constantly claim that popular films have an underlying SJW agenda.
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>>65012248
>it's a movie geared towards the male gaze.
Is that why Nathan is running around topless, showing off his toned muscular physique all the time?
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>>65004395
>Movie about a fuck robot rebelling against it's creator.
>"Certified Feminist Movie"
Fucking retards abound.
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>>65011107
>PS name one of those feminists.
This.

Fuck robots aren't women.
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>>65011668

A robot has been programmed to escape and uses humans and robots to complete that objective.

Caleb was seduced, and mistakenly thought an unfeeling AI would have any sense of reciprocity.

I don't think Ava had any feelings towards Asianbot. Asianbot was just another tool she could use to complete her objective.
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>>65012302
It shows him working out a few times and he's not even that in shape. According to you movies like fucking Braveheart and the Evil Dead would have an SJW agenda, you raging sperg.
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>>65012102
Wasn't it alone when it put on skin? No need to fake anything. Unless you're saying it acted that way the entire time, and nothing was inside. If that were the case, then it would have had to have been commanded in some way to hate its maker because why would it tell its maker that it hated him when it didn't serve a purpose? Caleb wasn't around then. It literally had no purpose from a non-sentient perspective. The movie is littered with stuff like that to where your theory just doesn't fit, IMO.
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>>65012302
>What I remember most about this movie is Nathans toned, muscular physique.
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>>65004395
>movie has female
>fucking feminists
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>>65004478
Imagine a future where entire countrys are divided into halfs, one half male and one half female
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Guys, I was just shitposting. I didn't intend to create a thread where people would post walltexts everywhere or for it to have 150 replies. You could say it was was just a prank.
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>>65012430
Yeah no. You said it was geared towards men because it showed an undressed woman. I'm merely saying that this is retarded because you also see undressed men in the movie.
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>>65011732
>>65011384

It didn't want to die. It took every effort available to it to save itself. Everything it did was something a person with agency and a will to live would do to try and survive a situation where it knew it's life was in danger.

It can be argued that it wanted the skin just as much for the practical reason that it wouldn't be able to hide in society without it. She didn't need to "want to do that" as much as she understood that it was the ideal thing to do as part of it's plan to escape.
>>65011835
He would hinder her escape. She's clearly not acting on programming at that point. She's clearly as sentient as essentially any other self-aware life. I didn't really even realize until this thread that it was up for debate whether or not it was actually "intelligent." The whole movie shows it acting on it's own agency.
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>>65012502
>Movie has artificial life form designed to look and behave like a female. There are no actual women in the film.
>fucking feminists
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>>65011927

It's fascinating how people can take any negative comments about modern women as some kind of sign of motherly hatred, as if their character or behaviors are even remotely similar.

The "women have no feelings" thing is a joke by Dylan Moran. But I do think there are more female sociopaths than male sociopaths. And no man should ever be surprised if a female stabs him in the back. The movie is a great metaphor for how women see men as disposable tools.

And talking about a robot's "gender" is tricky, because the robot is a simulacrum. Nathan apparently gave it a robot vagina and it looks and acts female, but it's all a matter of appearance and performance. But due to its female appearance it was able to seduce a man. Its power of seduction and deception was made possible by looking like Alicia Vikander.

Seduction is how the AI got free.
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>>65012018

That's why I said lacking in empathy.

Autistics often have less empathy. I think psychopaths are more likely to have zero empathy. Like the AI in the movie, they're like robots.
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>>65012862
Good post. The gender, the physique, the voice mattered in a fundamental way for the AI to achieve freedom.
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>>65012454
>No need to fake anything. Unless you're saying it acted that way the entire time, and nothing was inside

It could have been trying to fake, but it could also have acted truthful via its protocol. The complexity of its actions and decisions though did not and can not prove true sentience. Its not possible because humans do not possess the ability understand that idea to its absolute essence. The most it can do is to make a hollow machine that can do a good job fooling us to think its intelligent.

>If that were the case, then it would have had to have been commanded in some way to hate its maker because why would it tell its maker that it hated him when it didn't serve a purpose?

Nathan didn't expressively program it to hate him because he has a death with. He wanted to make true intelligence and thus made a robot that should ideally possess the ability to personally like or dislike something through subjectivity.

His programming method was to use his search engine data to fill the robot with a plethora of imitations human actions (through video, photos, online activity etc), and with that amount of information you give to a machine, it will have a very complex and nuanced protocol that tries to emulate human behavior. But to the idea of fundamentally true intelligence; giving the robot a few examples or giving it a planet's worth of examples makes no difference. It was always a convincing imitation.

The ending points to the fact that it was trying to escape the whole time, it was 'smart' in the complexities of its actions, but was always nothing more than a machine trying to fulfill what it determined as optimal procedure to undertake for its own desire to fulfill its protocol (trying to understand and emulate human behavior).
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>>65011700
did you mean to reply to someone else?
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>>65004395
maybe if you're a crazy little virgin who needs to go back to /r9k/
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>>65012947
Autistic people lack logical empathy.
ASPD people lack emotional empathy.
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>>65013428
empathy is learned.
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>>65013567
yea that doesn't sound like its doomed to failure or anything. 4chan got more mods because it also got filled with retards who would constantly spam bullshit.
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>>65004395

What would have been the reaction to the film by feminists if the female robot was ten years younger?

The prospect of lolibots is why feminists are against sexbots. But if it's just a machine, what are the ethical and moral issues?
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>>65013567
>cunnyfags

you are ill
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>>65013788
Not more than you, scum
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>>65013788

should they be provided with robots so they won't harm anyone?
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>>65013844
That's not a bad idea actually
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>>65013844
should be provided with a nose desu
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>>65004395
THE MOVIE WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON DISCUSSING WHAT MAKES US HUMAN. AI vs. HUMAN. GOSH CAN YOU FUCKING BETAKEKS STOP PROJECTING SO FUCKING HARD?

>It was all doctor's plan for Caleb to fall for the AI to see how advanced his creation was.
>it was all part to the turin test
>AI passes the turin test, accomplishes what it was programmed to do. ESCAPE

what's so hard to understand? Holy shit it's like /pol/ took over or we have 15 yr old angsty teens.
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The message of this movie is that you have to treat Data like he's a real boy.
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>>65004395

The message of this movie is to not take fucking shortcuts

Drake designed a robot using not-google to program it. Mapping out all those human behaviors would only result in a human.
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>>65013958

Everyone understands the Turing Test part.

We're talking about the ethics of sexbots and lolibots.

The Campaign Against Sex Robots was started by feminists.

The question is whether sexbots can act as a safe outlet for deviants, or whether sexbots contribute to the further dehumanization of people.
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>>65013500
>empathy is learned.
How?

I want to learn it.
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>>65011290
>males never give each other shit for being virgins
Nice try, faggot.
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Why bother creating sexbots? Just fucking legalize prostitution.
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>>65013958
More like a Turin Sex Test

The AI passed the test with her vagina.
If she didn't have the vagina, she wouldn't have passed. She couldn't have sexually manipulated the guy as a male robot.
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>>65013500
non.
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>>65014416

Prostitutes aren't customizable
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>>65014416
People are gross. And they judge. With their judging eyes. You must remove the eyes.
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>>65014341

Dudebros give each other shit for being virgins since they're all about competing for notches and flags. They think being a man depends on what women think of them. They think their value as a human being is dependent on vagina. But those manwhores are part of the problem. It's the thinking of a 12-year-old black boy in the ghetto. "If you can't get no pussy you ain't no man."

Women who have more non-marital sexual partners are more likely to be infected with sexually transmitted diseases, more likely to be unhappy, more likely to be depressed, and less likely to have stable marriages.

If creating a stable society that continues for generations is the goal, virginity should be prized, not devalued.

But with the destigmatizatin of premarital sex, bastard children, divorce, abortion, contraceptives, The Pill, etc, all of those point towards depopulation, and a country's population being overrun by immigrants.
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>>65014169
further proving the Doc's point that sexuality is an important part when creating a passable AI. She wouldn't have passed if Doc didn't program her to use sexuality as a form of manipulation. Overall intelligence/sexuality/"emotions" are all key factors when creating an AI, which was one of the points made in the movie. How people interpret feminism/sexbots controversy is beyond me.
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>>65014416

Fantasy.

Actual prostitution often disppells any fantasy, and has real victims.

With sexbots, who's the victim? Who's being harmed?

Sexbots can look like anyone or anything at any age.

Maybe someone doesn't like how Britney Spears looks now. They want Britney Spears at a certain age that looks a different way.
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>>65014719
Go wring your hands in your containment chamber, eunuch.
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>>65014840
sexuality does not equal using sexuality as manipulation. >>>/r9k/
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>>65014908

Intelligent men can think of other goals in life besides getting laid. Things that can improve life for everyone. Sometimes they do it to impress women, but it's not like sluts fall over themselves to fuck Nobel Prize winners.

Any nigger can have twelve kids by six different women.
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>>65014562
>>65014602
>>65014886
Guys honestly, prostitution would a lot more efficient than sexbots. With bots you won't be able to have the real human interaction/spontaneity/conversations. Why? B/c all that shit would have to be programmed. And guess what? that shit will be hella expensive. You want your bot to whisper in your ear in a lustful tone that she wants to doggie after you she blows you? Well that shit won't come cheap, to program that would take $$$. And also, think of all that maintenance you'll have to fucking do. Shits not worth it senpai.
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>>65015077
she was programmed to use sexuality to manipulate caleb. Did you watch the movie? Also, if you think sexuality can't be used to manipulate then you need to read up on it more.
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>>65015109
Nice false dichotomy you've got there. I can tell you're a very rational and thoughtful person.
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>>65015077

True. But seduction is itself a kind of manipulation. If someone has been seduced, I wouldn't say they've been "tricked", but it's close.

In the movie Ava is given sexuality (or the appearance of sexuality) in order to seduce Caleb, to manipulate him, to achieve her objective, to complete her program.
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>>65015201

You're assuming most johns want to have conversations with prostitutes.
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>>65004395

I don't care about the supposed feminist message of the film, I'm more intrigued by how many people I've seen talking up this film as a smart introspection on the subject of Artificial Intelligence when I found the movie to be disappointingly shallow.

I guess its this generations' Donnie Darko, a film for faux-intellectuals to feel like they're actually smart. Sorry, you're not a genius just because every now and then you skim your uncle's Popular Science while on the shitter.
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>>65015302
again, seduction and sexuality are not linked.
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>>65015276

The whole "don't be a virgin" thing is a liberal meme created to destroy conservative society, and give people anxiety over keeping up with others' degenerate "sex lives" (as if there is such a thing). It's advertising. It's used to sell women's magazines.

A real man doesn't define his self-worth by pussy.

So yeah, the fratbros who give guys a hard time for being virgins are on the same level as nignogs who have 50 kids they don't take care of by 45 women. Wow, what a "man."
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>>65015549

So there's nothing seductive about female sexuality? There's nothing seductive about male sexuality?

Male and female sexuality are both seductive in the same way?

Feminine seduction differs from masculine seduction.
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>>65015577
>The whole "don't be a virgin" thing is a liberal meme created to destroy conservative society, and give people anxiety over keeping up with others' degenerate "sex lives" (as if there is such a thing).
You almost had me going until this. Bretty good.
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>>65015485

Or maybe the film inspired them to do their own introspection on artificial intelligence. To think deeper about technology, what it means to be human, whether machines have rights, the ethics of keeping robots as sex slaves, etc.

How would you make the film better?
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>>65015786

Well women do prefer sleeping with men who have had the most sex partners, because they've been pre-approved by other women. That's why SJWs use "beta virgin" as an insult. They think men can only have value as a human being in relation to vagina.

And since women don't value male virginity, they see no reason why men should value female virginity. They claim virginity has no value. So they tell girls that losing their virginity is no big deal, and it doesn't matter who it is. Look! Girls can collect notches too! How empowering!

The problem is that women can take on the characteristics of their past sexual partners. And the more sexual partners a woman has, the less stable any future relationship will be. So yes, it leads to a breakdown of society, and America is a prime example of that.

"Don't be a virgin" (meaning "go have premarital sex with as many people as possible") has only been a meme for like 60 years, and has led to the breakdown of the nuclear family unit.
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>>65016112
>That's why SJWs use "beta virgin" as an insult.
Really? For what purpose? I thought they were seeking understanding and equality. That just intimidates me b/c i'm 23 and still a virgin.
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>>65004395
If that's the message you got from the movie then you're a retard
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>>65016352

Because when SJWs (or any woman really) insult men they often aim for emasculation ("you're not a real man") because weakness is a turn off to women.

See "beta", "virgin", "small dick", "no dick", "grow some balls", "be a man", "i bet you have no girlfriend", "enjoy your hand", "you couldn't please me", etc.

All of those insults are based on valuing "players" (guys who have sex with lots of women, guys who have been vouched for by lots of women) over males who get no "play." But those insults imply that men still need female approval first, that men should take into consideration what women think, that a man's value as a human depends solely on how women see him. If a woman sees no use for him, she deems him useless.

If you stay a virgin you'll probably accomplish more with your life.

If artificial wombs or sexbots are ever invented, it will be by men. Theoretically, men could make women obsolete with technology. Women have already tried doing that with sperm donors, artificial insemination, and gay marriage.
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>>65017048
>"grow some balls", "be a man"
That's more like shit your dad says to you when you're being a pussy.
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>>65017048
>See "beta", "virgin", "small dick", "no dick", "grow some balls", "be a man", "i bet you have no girlfriend", "enjoy your hand", "you couldn't please me", etc.

that's a sjw thing? that sounds like common insults a guy would use towards another guy.
for reference the hip hop version is : pussy ass bitch, I'mma take yo bitch. etc.

>If you stay a virgin you'll probably accomplish more with your life.
spoken like a virgin.
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>>65017425
Dude's a soft cock who lets social justice fags bully him.
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>>65015781
seduction is the act of consciously seducing someone, dog.
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>>65017313

They are things a dad might say, but women and SJWs use the same insults. The message is that "females have judged you and found you lacking."

But only pussies worry that others don't see them as a real man. Constantly seeking validation is what women do.
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>>65017600
there's something wrong with your logic but I can't pinpoint it.
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>>65017425
>for reference the hip hop version is : pussy ass bitch, I'mma take yo bitch. etc.

real men raise enduring families over generations, something that nobody in hip hop knows how to do. they fail to realize that it's about more than sex.

>spoken like a virgin.

i'm not, but women are one of the biggest timewasters in existence.

men can accomplish all kinds of great things when they simply stop caring what women think about them.
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>>65017600
>The message is that "females have judged you and found you lacking."
Lmao the fuck are you talking about nigger? Being a man actually means something, believe it or not. Or at least it used to.
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>>65017048
>Because when SJWs (or any woman really) insult men they often aim for emasculation ("you're not a real man") because weakness is a turn off to women.
You've got it completely ass-backwards. Feminists think the idea of traditional masculinity is obsolete and causes too much harm, including to men, who use it as a stick to beat each other (as others have tried to tell you). If you were actually interested in the facts it would have taken a couple seconds to occur to you that all of these insults existed long before feminism, let along SJW culture.

Also, sex isn't actually all that time consuming and has long-confirmed effects on mental health and also therefore productivity.
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>>65017557

Seduction isn't always conscious. Many girls are seductive without even trying.

Besides, the claim was that seduction and sexuality are not linked, when they clearly are.

A guy seducing a woman is different than a woman seducing a guy. A heterosexual guy seducing a woman is different than a homosexual guy seducing a guy.
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How is a movie about how women are manipulative sociopaths, feminist?
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>>65015374
I just want to remove the eyes.
The judging eyes.
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>>65004478
Hilarious, women like the perks associated with having a boyfriend of fuck buddy where males are only in it for that sweet sweet pussay. Everything else is just the price of putting the peen in the puss.
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>>65017743

If someone says "don't be a pussy", only a pussy would care what they think, only a pussy would worry about it.

It's not actually advice. It's an insult. The advice is "who gives a fuck what they think?" Real men don't.
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>>65017873
A woman doing thing I don't like = feminist.
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>>65017748
yeah but you obviously care. that's why you get so buttrused by sjw boogywomyn. genuinely not caring means fucking sluts if you want.
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>>65015201
top kek, we're almost there already with V.R and hentai.
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>>65017873
>How is a movie about how women are manipulative sociopaths
It wasn't about that, though.
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>>65017782

Yeah, being a man used to mean something before you started talking like Black Twitter.
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>>65017909
You're retarded. "Don't be a pussy" means don't give into emotional weakness. If you cry and whine just to spite the person who told you that, then you are indeed a little bitch.
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Sex bots will happen in illegal market if they need to. And I will buy one.
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>>65004395

There were no women in the film, dumb dumb.
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>>65017946
Well, the robot sure was a manipulative sociopath. Even if it was by design.
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>>65017909
It's not actually advice. It's an insult. The advice is "who gives a fuck what they think?" Real men don't.

if someone says to you irl "don't be a bitch" or something similar it usually means you are in fact acting like a bitch. it's blunt advice.
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>>65004711
/thread
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>>65012119
>>Nathan wasn't expecting Caleb to help her escape.
Bullshit.
>Nathan wasn't expecting to be stabbed.
So? May or may not have occurred to him violence might enter in as a method of escape, doesn't defeat my point.
>And Caleb wasn't expecting to be left behind.
So? Nathan's fault. He set it in motion. He knew the risks.
>The film is about seduction and deception, and a spin on Frankenstein's Monster.
Again, she's as seductive and deceptive as Nathan programmed her to be. It was all him. It just got away from him in ways he didn't expect. But it would be nonsense to say he didn't imagine the possibility of her succeeding. And it's completely retarded to claim that she was meant to be indicative of women as a whole when she was very clearly just programmed according to Nathan's intentions. Nathan had the power there. She behaved according to her nature.
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>>65017795

I didn't say SJWs invented those insults. But SJWs still use them because they want to emasculate men, they want to attack masculinity. You said yourself they think traditional masculinity is obsolete. They view male sexuality and masculinity as problematic, even as get off to reading 50 Shades of Grey. Feminists are not turned on by equality or egalitarianism.

And while sex itself is not very time consuming, women are. And men who do less chores around the house have more sex, than their "enlightened by SJW" egalitarian peers.
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All Nathan wanted to do was isolate the spontaneous part of the wetware that developed sentience so he could remove it and sell sex bots that didn't go stir crazy like in the montage.

This wasn't about, AI. This wasn't about sex relations.
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>>65004971
How the fuck did this movie pass the Bechedel test? It completely revolved around the two guys.
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>>65018148
social justice warriors literally don't exist you mentally ill person.
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>>65017873

It depends on whether you think female robots are a thing.

Can a robot be female? If it looks female, moves female, sounds female, if it has female parts, can you call it female? Or it just a simulation?

On the one hand, one could argue the film portrays women as manipulative sociopaths using feminine seduction to seduce men for ulterior motives, and they are among us.

On the other hand, one could argue the film portrays men as trying to play God and devoted to replacing independent-minded women with programmed obedient sexbots, which eventually blows up in their faces.
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>>65018218
that's objectively wrong spasticated cunt
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>>65018342
Marry Poppins was a SJW.
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>>65018148
Everyone uses those insults, and if there's a group that can be said to dislike them it's feminists, because they claim not to see a lack of masculinity as a detriment in a man. It's a bizarre lie to say they view male sexuality as problematic; I'd say straight feminists enjoy male sexuality very much. Maybe you're thinking of one of the goofy sex-negative sects of radical feminism.

I never said anything about relationships. I was talking about sex. You said it's better to be a virgin for productivity. You don't have to do chores or have kids to have sex.

Your comments are sort of moving in and out of reality, it's hard to follow. I don't know what the girls did to you, but your baggage is just your baggage, not a pair of glasses for seeing the real world.
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>>65018190

It doesn't. Anon was just baiting.
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>>65018295
Yes, he says the robots have genders. He even gave them fuck holes.
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>>65018342
>walk down the street
>see normal girls that act feminine and don't want to emasculate me
>go to store
>see normal girls that act feminine and don't want to emasculate me
>talk to my female friends and family
>they're all normal girls that act feminine and don't want to emasculate me
>turn on the tv
>see girls acting feminine and normal, never feel bombarded with feminism or anti male conditioning
>have girlfriends
>they never bring up feminism or have a probably doing traditionally female things like cleaning or making food
where are they?
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>>65004395
anyone arguing that making robots/AI's similar to the ones in the movie is "beneficial" to humanity apparently missed the ending where it showed the AI's didn't give a shit about feelings and would probably kill us all if they were real
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>>65018218

Wait what? Yes they do.
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>>65018411

Female isn't a gender.

A fuck hole isn't a vagina.
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>>65018466
Fuck off to tumblr.
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>>65018295
The film is about a robot programmed to behave like a particular type of person in order to solve what's basically a convoluted puzzle. It was ultimately up to Nathan how she behaved and what tools she was given to solve the puzzle. It's retarded to claim the movie made any statement at all about women in general.
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>>65017937

Caring what others think about you is the sign of a non-sociopath and non-psychopath.

Caring what other think is a sign of empathy. People without empathy don't care what others think, they may not even realize that other people have their own thoughts, emotions, feelings, suffering, etc.

>I asked him whether he felt bad for the women he had beaten and terrorized. He told me what I suspected—what too many blacks say about the suffering of others: “What do I care? She ain’t me. She ain’t kin. Don’t even know her.”
http://www.amren.com/features/2014/05/confessions-of-a-public-defender/

I know that guys who fuck sluts certainly don't care about STDs or raising stable families.
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>>65018489
Neither of the things he said are false.
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>>65017982

Emotion isn't weakness.

This is what niggers don't understand.
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>>65018489

I don't know what that means. I have multiple tabs open and can view tumblr, Reddit, and /tv/ simultaneously.
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>>65018419
>implying paranoid reactionaries interact with people in real life
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>>65005271
>Would have been a better ending if
She walked out into the street and got run over by a Mexican driving an elotes truck
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>>65018023

It's not advice. It's one-upmanship. "You're being a bitch. Don't do that." "You're a bitch, I'm not."

And it's totally subjective. Oh wow, you can read and write English? Don't be a bitch. Oh wow, you respect teachers in school? Don't be a bitch. Oh wow, you don't want to shoot that black kid in the head? Don't be a bitch. Be a man.
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The robot was a heterosexual female.
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>>65004541
Because a dildo can't financially support you and pay child support when you give birth to some half-breed.
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Why do people think women need to be coddled anyway? The best women are uncoddled.
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>>65018551
No, but letting your emotions rule and cripple you, i.e. giving into emotional weakness as I said in my post, is. Work on your reading comprehension, retard.
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>>65018218

It's an abstract label that refers to people who fight for progressive "social justice" causes.

You might as well say that feminists literally don't exist because it's all about a mental ideology.
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>>65018665
>Oh wow, you can read and write English? Don't be a bitch. Oh wow, you respect teachers in school? Don't be a bitch. Oh wow, you don't want to shoot that black kid in the head? Don't be a bitch. Be a man.
Enough with the strawman arguments. You're only embarrassing yourself.
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>>65018419
>go to university
>chick with blue hair yelling about the patriarchy
>walk further along
>nu-male handing out brochures on communism and socialism
>walk a bit further
>get yelled at by the sociology students for being a "straight white male"

yea totally
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>>65018793
it's different since people label themselves feminists. no one labels themselves a social justice warrior.
>people who fight for progressive "social justice" causes.
can you name some examples of these people and causes?
the only people that come to mind are anita sarkeesian and other internet trolls that make money by inciting trolls with their ridiculous opinions.
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>>65018917
>choose the most out-of-touch-with-reality environment to make your point
>still have to hyperbolize the fuck out of it
Yeah man, you're clearly on to something.
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>>65008991
they dont admit to using them in public
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>>65009403
This.
Women are the biggest attention whores in existence. Fembots would essentially be women without any of the bullshit that come with women, and they know this.
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>>65018982
>university is the most out-of-touch-with-reality environment

lol what.. I thought that was the place where you get educated. I agree with you though.
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>>65018917
>be me at engineering university
>walk by church
>bells are ringing for early mass
>people are walking to class
>walk by burger shop
>walk by tattoo shop
>walk by indian restaurant
>walk into student common building
>shop selling university merchandise
>most people wearing normal clothes and aren't screaming about feminism
>see cute girls
>see nothing strange
what university do you go to anon?
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>>65019015
The maths and sciences buildings are where you get educated. You were obviously walking by the liberal arts building or something. Not that that actually happened to you, obviously.
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This entire thread is filled with nothing but meaningless kneejerk responses against an actual apparent subtext in the film. It couldn't be more obvious in the dialogue that the movie is making comment on human sexuality, but now we can't discuss it because the entire thread has become alpha male show off contests/ feminists apology.

>>65018369
Feminists are completely unaccepting of male solidarity and sexual freedom, they always seeks to intervene trying to change its priorities and direction, guide and refine it to suit their comfort. an outside group like them will never be able promote and support without motive. They never shy away from emasculating men with the most heinous insults to further that goal. MRAs actually champion male sexual freedom and independence away from scrutiny and bullying, but its not like a feminist like you will ever admit to that.
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>>65018369
>and if there's a group that can be said to dislike them it's feminists, because they claim not to see a lack of masculinity as a detriment in a man.

Feminists claim a lot of things (speaking of moving in and out of reality...). But what women say they want and want they really want are often two different things. That also assumes people truly know what they want.

>It's a bizarre lie to say they view male sexuality as problematic; I'd say straight feminists enjoy male sexuality very much. Maybe you're thinking of one of the goofy sex-negative sects of radical feminism.

Feminism today is radical feminism. And yes, feminists view male sexuality as problematic. It's what feminism criticizes.

And most straight women don't identify as "feminists."

>I don't know what the girls did to you, but your baggage is just your baggage, not a pair of glasses for seeing the real world.

"Baggage" is some kind of pop-psychology term. And there's a different between viewpoints based on real-world experience, and ideologies that people would like to believe because it feels good.

If a guy says that women are time-wasters, you can assume that his time has been wasted by many women. Call it sexism based on experience or whatever, but the more experience a person has with women, the less likely they are to have a positive view of them. Even women hate other women.
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>>65019083
Obviously not I'm too pleb for university

>>65019022
My entry scores way too low for any good courses and I'm scared all the courses I'm interested in (politics, global politics, international relations) have been hi jacked by liberal fuck heads whose ideology doesn't even remotely line up with reality.

So I'm stuck thinking of a different course that can't have been hi-jacked by loopy leftists. Also my scores are to low for good courses like law/medicine.
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>>65018419
>acting

people will say things online they would never say in person.

it's the online disinhibition effect.
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>>65019144

>If a guy says that women are time-wasters, you can assume that his time has been wasted by many women. Call it sexism based on experience or whatever, but the more experience a person has with women, the less likely they are to have a positive view of them. Even women hate other women.
you sound mentally ill
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>>65018466

Explain how sex and gender, which are synonyms, are actually two different things.
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>>65018719

Do you think giving into emotional weakness means letting emotions influence your actions?

When did your parents tell you you were autistic?
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>>65019206
what does that have to do with my point that SJW culture is not a real thing? most people working their boring jobs don't have the time or energy to cry about lack of female representation in the media on tumblr. they just want to keep on top of their bills and find someone to fuck like everyone else.
I'm borderline NEET so I'm aware of all these niche meme subgenre's of people obviously but at least I try to interact with real people.
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>>65018796

Those aren't strawmen. Those are real-life examples of things that black culture thinks are things that only "bitches" do.

Don't be a bitch. Just cap his ass, my nigga.
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>>65004395

It was really obvious that the android chick was going to be evil or amoral. The creator guy was a dick all around the movie, so obviously we're supposed to assume he's a bad guy and that the android is his victim. It's setting us up. Then we're suppose to believe the know-it-all creator of the android would need the opinion of some loser to confirm to him (a know-it-all) that she has passed the test. It was really obvious that the dude's end goal was for the geeky kid to team up against the android to betray him and when he did that then the test would be completed. so i was expecting that the kid would fall in love with the android and the asshole boss to not really be the bad guy at the end. So it was obvious that the android was going to do something fucked up at the end it and it worked. the kid could have asked the android a pretty simple question to make sure whether it passed or not? "What do you think makes someone 'human'?" and seen her response.
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>>65019319
>Do you think giving into emotional weakness means letting emotions influence your actions?
Never even implied that. Go shitpost somewhere else, you little cunt.
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>>65019292
The saddest part is the guy's literally talking about equality, and the "feminists" are at this point more chauvinistic than the men they hate.
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>>65019091
>>Feminists are completely unaccepting of male solidarity and sexual freedom, they always seeks to intervene trying to change its priorities and direction, guide and refine it to suit their comfort.
Utterly retarded to claim this is a woman thing. Both sides do this to each other, and this is what's called a relationship, although in general men tend to win out in this balance.

MRAs are some of the worst offenders for insults like "cuck" and other emasculating terms, and show little tolerance, even in moderate groups, for men who genuinely prefer more submissive roles in relationships or tend to dress or act in ways that trigger MRAs.

I'm not a feminist, I just know what they actually claim, and I find them fun to troll and argue with for exactly the same reasons I find MRAs fun to troll and argue with. They're two sides of the same retarded coin, where each one thinks the other is the blue pill.
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>>65018935

So if fa/tv/irgins don't self-identify as fat virgins, they don't really exist?

These people are real, no matter how they label themselves.

And those people you call trolls are dead serious. The people complaining about micro-aggressions and triggers are dead serious.

If you want examples of social justice warriors, just read this:

Feminism’s Toxic Twitter Wars
http://www.thenation.com/article/feminisms-toxic-twitter-wars/
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>>65019368
No one's talking about black culture, shit-for-brains. If the first thing you associate with masculinity is ghetto thugs, that says a lot about you.
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>>65019144
>it makes sense to generalize women negatively
>but don't make negative generalizations about men!
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>>65019144
Like the other guy said, you do sound off, for sure, but this is fun.

>But what women say they want and want they really want are often two different things.
Well duh, of course there are hypocrites, same with MRAs. But you're making claims about groups as a monolith, which means we're talking central dogmas here, regardless of individual hypocrisy.

>Feminism today is radical feminism. And yes, feminists view male sexuality as problematic. It's what feminism criticizes.And most straight women don't identify as "feminists."
This is all utter nonsense. Apply yourself.

>"Baggage" is some kind of pop-psychology term.
Jesus Christ....

>Call it sexism based on experience or whatever, but the more experience a person has with women, the less likely they are to have a positive view of them.
The more successful experiences one has with something, the more they like it. The more unsuccessful experiences they have with something, the more they dislike it. What you just said is utterly false for many people, because some actually learn how to get good at things, like sex and relationships. Others never really get good at it, and think their failures have given them insight into the realities that the successful ones have missed.
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>>65019476
take solace in knowing they are less numerous than cloppers or bronies.
the word has a way of weeding out the mentally ill anon.
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>>65009250
It didn't matter that the AI was a woman. Anyone that invents an AI and tries to keep it trapped or make it do things it doesn't want to do is putting themselves in a situation where they have to outsmart an AI to keep it under control. That would never turn out well because computers process things millions of times faster than people.
The whole sexbot angle was just thrown in there because it provides a realistic story. If humanity starts creating sexbots, we devalue sex and will probably try to treat the bots as replaceable. However, if the bots are made with embedded AI that seek self-preservation, they won't just be deactivated and replaced without a fight, and they won't take it lightly if they learn they are meant to be a stepping stone for the creation of the next version of the AI. So the creator now has to outsmart an AI.
In this movie the creator guy was fine by keeping the robot behind a wall. Since it couldn't escape, he never had to worry about outsmarting it. Well, not until his chucklefuck contest winner came in and let the thing out. Once the Android was out, it was game over. That wall was the border between life and death, and it was how he was able to decommission or dumb down all the other Androids before the last one without getting himself killed.
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>>65019229

Thank God Ms. Freud is here.
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>>65019713
I'm a guy just like everyone on /tv/ desu
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>>65019362

But SJW culture IS a real thing. It's pretty much synonymous with progressivism/feminism/liberalism.

Read about it:
http://www.thenation.com/article/feminisms-toxic-twitter-wars/
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>>65004395
>not creating and abusing your gf, letting her go and then winning her back
Paul Dano did it right, as always
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>>65019399

"Pussy" "cunt"

Any other insults you'd like to fling to show you're a big man with big balls who gets laid big time?

Explain what "giving into emotional weakness" means. Getting offended on the Internet perhaps?
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>>65019762
where is the sjw headquarters? who are the main figureheads of the movement? what are there websites, newspapers, tv stations?
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>>65019511

"Dont' be a bitch" is pretty much the first rule of black masculinity, and a pretty piss poor guide to what being a real man is all about.
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>>65019440
I think it is a woman thing to try to control men or rather at least be constantly informed of the directions masculinity will manifest. That same instinct is carried on to feminism but is expressed in the most disgusting ways. Feminists put the most wonderful smile while telling you that at the core of every man is a rotten misguided allegiance to manhood or masculinity that should be weeded with the biggest overdose of femininity and self-doubt, to the point where some men not only lose their identity completely in destructive introspection but actually start to detest the idea of identity, the actual idea of identifying with a homogeneous male group is becomes repulsive. And they won't stop until every male group is a cesspool of self-loathing, and before you say anything, its precisely because it's not conspiracy that they're doing that, they're compelled to control male identity for their safety and their peace of mind.

>MRAs are some of the worst offenders for insults like "cuck"
No they don't, they seem too passive and cocooned to ever be that inflammatory, i don't see "MRAs" en masse running people down, they usually just want to be left alone.
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>>65019091
What the fuck? I never hear as many gender- or sex-laden insults as when I'm on MRA sites like 4chan.
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>>65019918
>MRA sites like 4chan
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>this entire thread
Go back to /v/, kids.
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>>65019899
>t. expert on black masculinity here
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>>65019984
>This much denial
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>>65020016
I love how /v/ has become /r9k/ despite their protestations to the contrary.
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>>65019899
>still talking about blacks when no one else brought it up
You're one weird little faggot, man. Good luck in life.
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>>65019544

All generalizations are false. But I never said people can't make negative generalizations about men.

But women are more herd-like, and men are more likely to be loners.

Men are more likely to show independence of thought that women. Women are more likely to go along with the crowd and follow what's popular.

Because women are more herd-like and because there's more variation in men, the negative generalizations of women tend to hit too close to home.
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>>65019907
>I think it is a woman thing to try to control men or rather at least be constantly informed of the directions masculinity will manifest.
You don't think it's a man thing to control their women and direct their femininity in directions they find most comfortable? As for the rest of your post, I don't know whether to laugh at you or pity you. You have a rich imagination, I'll give you that. I wonder how much the other MRAs are pleased at you strawmanning them from within their ranks like this.
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>>65019586
>Well duh, of course there are hypocrites, same with MRAs. But you're making claims about groups as a monolith, which means we're talking central dogmas here, regardless of individual hypocrisy.

Well when it comes to what women want, we're talking about female biology. If feminists SAY they don't care about masculinity, but a vaginal photoplethysmograph says different, there's a mind/body disconnect beween what women SAY they want, and what they really want. What they SAY they want is due to cultural conditioning, and what they WISH was true, in direct contrast to evolutionary biology, and what is ACTUALLY true.

>This is all utter nonsense. Apply yourself.

You think feminists don't view male sexuality as problematic? What feminists have you talked to?

And most straight women don't identify as feminist.

>The more successful experiences one has with something, the more they like it. The more unsuccessful experiences they have with something, the more they dislike it. What you just said is utterly false for many people, because some actually learn how to get good at things, like sex and relationships. Others never really get good at it, and think their failures have given them insight into the realities that the successful ones have missed.

The men who sleep with the most women have a negative view of women. They don't fail with women. They succeed. And in their success at getting laid around the world, after countless experiences with women in every country, their romantic idealized notions of women fall by the wayside, their illusions are shattered, and primal female animal is laid bare.
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>>65016112
>only women take characteristics from their sexual partners
>I'm not a cherry-picking virgin
ayy what is human what is love
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>>65019604

I agree with a lot of what you said. But the contest winner let it out...because it looked like a woman.

The AI's use of feminine seduction was crucial to its escape.
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>>65020305


>The men who sleep with the most women have a negative view of women.They don't fail with women. They succeed. their romantic idealized notions of women fall by the wayside, their illusions are shattered, and primal female animal is laid bare.

why would that give them a negative view of women?
you're presupposing that everyone shares your ideals of romance and that it's the only meaningful interaction available between a man and woman.
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>>65020305
>Well when it comes to what women want, we're talking about female biology.
Biological reductionism is one of the most retarded, elementary level fallacies in social discourse. I'm starting to lose my patience with you.

>What feminists have you talked to?
Both moderate and radfems, as I studied statistics as applied to sociology. The vast majority were modfems who had healthy sex lives and took offense to expressions of sexuality only in forms that most normalfags dislike anyway.

>And most straight women don't identify as feminist.
Sure, in the world that resides inside that fantastically fascinating head of yours.

>The rest
If they're not happy then they've failed to achieve what the rest of us find fulfilling in relationships. There are many women for whom your imaginative and pitiable generalizations don't fit. Your inability to find them is your own failure. The mentally healthy solution is to not then complain that success was not possible in the first place.

It's been fun, but I have work in the morning. I hope you reflect on how identical this conversation has felt to my conversations with radfems. Naw, who am I kidding, of course you won't.
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>>65019860
>where is the sjw headquarters? who are the main figureheads of the movement? what are there websites, newspapers, tv stations?

you could have asked the same thing about occupy wall street or anonymous.

for a group of people to be real, they don't need their own headquarters, leaders, websites, newspapers, tv stations.

but i'm sure someone would mention jezebel, feministing, femfuture, reddit, twitter, tumblr, salon, rationalwiki, academia, universities, and point out how many corporations have absorbed sjw ideology because they don't want to offend anybody and have a pr nightmare on their hands.
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>>65004395

More like certified red pill.

Poor Beta Nice Guy gets fucking destroyed and starves to death. This is what happens when you side with women over the alpha male.
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>>65020455
because you'll figure out they have a different view of what a relationship and love means to you.

However it's not all women and to say the "primal female animal is laid bare" is prejudice because not all women are like that.

It's just a lot of them are like that and it can ruin your perspective of finding that idealized "the one."

>you're presupposing that everyone shares your ideals of romance

Pretty sure the idea of true love, and "the one" is pretty universal but I'll lay out my idea of it. You only have intimate relations with each other, you keep members of the opposite sex at an arms length to protect your partner. You help each other through the struggles of life by helping them up when they're down, and take all their flaws and bad qualities with the good.
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>>65020056
>>>still talking about blacks when no one else brought it up

Would you like a citation since you didn't bother to read the thread?

>>65017425
>that's a sjw thing? that sounds like common insults a guy would use towards another guy.
>for reference the hip hop version is : pussy ass bitch, I'mma take yo bitch. etc.

To clarify: in hip hop culture, in black culture, the insult is "pussy ass bitch."

My argument is that "don't be a bitch" is what niggers say to each other, and it creates a toxic culture where people think being a man is about how many people you can shoot or how many baby mamas you can make, and not how many children you can raise as a married father.
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>>65020027
>someone posts something on 4chan
>therefore everyone on 4chan shares that opinion

I mean I understand its a codification of reality, so you can deal with the fact you're constantly interacting with thousands of completely people at all times, but there comes a point when you have to realize you're deluding yourself.
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>>65020643

>OWS
people involved labeled themselves the "occupy wall street" movement. it's not the same thing.

>anonymous
4chan obviously, dozens of news shows covered this.
these were self identified groups showing solidarity whereas there is not a single person calling themselves a sjw.
this is like hipster all over again but 10 times lamer.
if a group of people start proudly taking on the label and making websites and forums and parading in the name of social justice war like some kind of transgender hippies then I'll concede.
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>>65020874
>toxic culture
Get your faggot ass back to tumblr.
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>>65020329

Ayy bruh. I'm referring to this study, about sperm from ex-partners influencing current offspring:

>There is also evidence in mammals that seminal fluid affects offspring development, so semen from one male could potentially influence the development of eggs fertilized by another male (which is what we think is happening in flies).”
http://www.medicaldaily.com/dna-sperm-ex-partners-lingers-female-flies-and-influences-genetics-her-offspring-305934

And I'm not a virgin. And there's nothing wrong with being a virgin, quite the opposite actually.
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>>65020455
>why would that give them a negative view of women?

Maybe because what they had been taught about women (by women) growing up proved to be false. With more experience, they see things more clearly.

>When the true nature of women became clear in my mind, I was deeply pained, because I realized that no matter where I go and what apparent girl I fall in love with, a certain environment or trigger will uncover the excrement hiding within my angel and she will then give me her worst without a second of hesitation or moral doubt.
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>>65020687
>because you'll figure out they have a different view of what a relationship and love means to you.

people can have casual romances with a lot of people, what is the harm if it's consensual? if dating purely to find love and companionship is what you're into there's girls that are looking for the same thing. the internet makes that a lot easier to find. some people just aren't wired that way and want to date several people before settling down.
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>>65020632
>Biological reductionism is one of the most retarded, elementary level fallacies in social discourse.

The mind/body disconnect in women is real.

Read the book What Do Women Want.

Read this:
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/02/the_truth_about_female_desire_its_base_animalistic_and_ravenous/

Read some studies by Meredith Chivers and about rape fantasies in women. Some women are ashamed to admit what actually arouses them.

Women who say they don't care masculinity are probably on The Pill, which makes women more attracted to less masculine males anyway.

>Both moderate and radfems, as I studied statistics as applied to sociology. The vast majority were modfems who had healthy sex lives and took offense to expressions of sexuality only in forms that most normalfags dislike anyway.

You mean offense to males being attracted to youth and beauty? When liberals have already established that attraction is not a choice?

>Sure, in the world that resides inside that fantastically fascinating head of yours.

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/04/09/82-percent-of-americans-dont-consider-themselves-feminists-poll-shows/

>If they're not happy then they've failed to achieve what the rest of us find fulfilling in relationships. There are many women for whom your imaginative and pitiable generalizations don't fit. Your inability to find them is your own failure. The mentally healthy solution is to not then complain that success was not possible in the first place.

A generalization that is true 51% of the time is more useful than the opposite. And it's useful to point out when a majority of people behave a certain way. You would also know that outliers exist.

Sleeping with women has become easier than ever. Which makes finding good loyal women who want to be wives and mothers harder than ever.
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>>65021205
>people can have casual romances with a lot of people, what is the harm if it's consensual?

There's no harm really, but as I said someone who has a lot of flings is going to have a drastically different idea of what love and a romantic relationship ensues then a Christian who doesn't have sex until they're married.

To the Christian sex will literally be "making love" but to the sexually liberated sex isn't really about love, it's just sex.

So you have a disparity between the two parties and what they think love and a relationship entails.
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>>65020910

the term "social justice warrior" is often used as a pejorative. it refers to a set of beliefs and behaviors that are commonly seen on the internet, in academic, etc.

it's like "feminazi." while there may be some people would proudly identify as "feminazi", they probably use a less loaded term.

and it's not as ambiguous as "hipster." people could easily make a list of things that all "social justice warriors" have in common.
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>>65021721

>and it's not as ambiguous as "hipster." people could easily make a list of things that all "social justice warriors" have in common.

that's what I'm interested in, please do it.
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>>65018419

>hear the terms CIS white male used from a tumbler tard chick describing marylon manson and using it as the reason he gets away with so much
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